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[@badbones777]

Why just cheat at a game of toy soldiers when you could cheat at a game of toy soldiers on camera. A truly emotionally stable human being

[@ChrisJohnson-vb9hr]

Imagine cheating against an Ork player while playing Death Guard in 9th edition.

[@kellyhoesing2573]

If I roll my dice behind ruins they get +1 from Benefits of Cover.

[@bellportbattlebunker4682]

this is clever and therefore hilarious. Well played, sir!

[@eversor55]

Thats ace, you tickled my pickle my good man:)

[@troyluv33]

I swear I saw that in the new codex

[@davidm.corbin4643]

Now that's a fucking good reason

[@stevenschnepp576]

Imagine needing to cheat while playing one of the strongest armies in the game.

[@Verza488]

Sorry I'm new to the tabletop scene of Warhammer gonna have my tau in a few weeks, anyways how the hell do you cheat at a game where you roll dice

[@andtheinternettkills]

@@Verza488 you roll and make sure your opponent doesnt see the results. Which is what he did.

[@ghazskullmagoruktrakaproph887]

@@Verza488 you could also weight the dice which basically means putting metal in the die making sure that it's on a high number or whatever number you need to score ensuring that every single time you roll the dice it rolls on that number but people get busted easily for this

[@assistantref5084]

The really interesting thing about this example is that as soon as it happened, people started coming out of the woodwork saying "yeah, he had this reputation in our local circle and couldn't get games a result," or "everyone sorta knew you had to watch him carefully at tournaments" or even "we cut ties with this guy for our paid coaching service because we knew about his penchant for cheating." So he had been doing it for years, and it was known about, but it took it actually showing up on a stream to be able to actually do anything about it. This argues in favor of harsher punishments - because cheating in 40k is so hard to catch, when someone actually does get nabbed red-handed, they've probably got away with it dozens of times in the past.

[@bellportbattlebunker4682]

"...because cheating in 40k is so hard to catch," More like prove, like with a camera, which thankfully there was one. "when someone actually does get nabbed red-handed, they've probably got away with it dozens of times in the past." FACTS! Most of this stuff goes under reported, sadly I could tell you some sordid stories...but I'm old

[@Shippo89]

@@bellportbattlebunker4682 Unfortunately happens far to often in games, especially TCGs. You see some the the stuff being done in MtG and Yugioh tournaments and the skill with slight of hand just screams "They've done this in at least 90% of their games." They also then usually come out saying it was an accident and they're sorry for the mishap and it'll never happen again. Translation - "I'm sorry I got caught and I'll make sure they never catch it again."

[@dingoman]

I can confirm he has done this many times. Even in our local non itc store support tournaments

[@Coyote81]

@@Shippo89 Sounds like that guys from the Long War podcast.

[@alexanderh2715]

Had that in our local Magic the gathering events. One day a cheater was finally caught and banned but he probably ruined so many games

[@derekstiles5801]

Imagine cheating at a game where first prize is often a “Good job!”

[@AngrilyWetButtBelch]

I've got a simple rule. Roll your dice where I can see them. Once is a heads-up. Twice, I voice my irritation. Three times, I'm violating social distancing and become Patrick Swayze from "Ghost" on their rolls. Carry over from the scatter-dice days.

[@ArawnNox]

Yeah, the second he started rolling behind the terrain and quickly sweeping up his dice I'd have been like "No, bro. Roll in the open."

[@AngrilyWetButtBelch]

@@ArawnNox I've found that if I make it a point that my opponent can see my dice rolls ("Hey, if I roll my dice here, can you clearly see them?"), it makes asking them to roll in the open a lot less confrontational.

[@skirk248]

I tend to move to my opponents side of the board for my rolls if they're okay with it. Otherwise it's just in the open usually mid board or in their dice tray if they prefer

[@samarcher1316]

Just use blue dice and believe harder in your rolls

[@silentmoniker]

My ultramarine dice aren't lucky at all..you should remind them of their superiority!

[@rambo10]

i genuinely use blue dice with orks and i swear they roll 100% more 6s lol

[@deanunsworth308]

​@@rambo10 is that even on Morale checks as well😂

[@RetroMaticGamer]

"I'm not gonna call out the name..." why not? People that play a known cheater, even casually, deserve to know about the risk to ruining what SHOULD be a fun, sporting experience. And in a community this large, there absolutely SHOULD be repercussions to keep people from trying to get away with this kind of trash.

[@rickroberts7312]

Everyone that plays with that player already knows he is a cheater. I understand trevvy not wanting to call the player out by name. If you really want to know who it is you could google it, I was able to find out in like 5 minutes of internet sleuthing.

[@mariusevander2214]

This is about TJ Lannigan , Alex Harrison is another person who should be banned.

[@recreant359]

It’s just a game calm down, he didn’t kick your puppy. There are shitty people out there in the world but you don’t need to put a label on them so even shittier people start targeting them, Makes you the shittiest person of all imo

[@mariusevander2214]

@@recreant359 Thought and speech police are the epitome of the degradation of our society.

[@illegalopinions4082]

@@recreant359 So what if it's just a game. It's not about the game, it's about him as a person. He's a bad person who cheats. Why do you want other people to have their time wasted and gamed ruined by him?

[@bluhfer1445]

Damn.. why do i have to wait soo long to watch a cheater cry.. 😔

[@Doomshaper1]

So this reminds me of an individual that got banned at a local Con for cheating. Between the time he got banned and the next Con he literally dyed his hair, got a tan, changed his style of clothing and registered under a different name for the event. No one knew until after the event was over and he had made off with the Prize support. What stops an individual from doing the same thing with ITC?

[@TacticalTortoise]

There's nothing that stops that kind of deception for *any* crime; but banlists give the community a recourse when they're uncovered, and tips off TOs to be vigilant.

[@rickroberts7312]

This player is pretty well known. He would have to do a nic cage to John trevolta level face off.

[@stevenschnepp576]

@@TacticalTortoise Requiring photo ID makes it trickier.

[@CrankyOldNerd]

Seems a little nutty eh? But what are they supposed to do, require biometric and DNA tests before each game? If you believe people adhere to the social contract of the ‘rules’ and someone goes to this length to get around them, it’s pretty difficult to combat.

[@gustavotriqui]

ID cards?

[@Grits420]

TJ Lannigan is his name for the curious

[@davesmith9844]

'Total Jerk' Lameagain

[@hunternichols1420]

Says his name! Everyone acts like he, TJ, is the villain from Harry Potter. Call out the cheaters so that it deters future bums from doing the same.

[@jjaarr3208]

I agree, if they would spread the names of the offenders more readily then more events might bar them, and other players will know who to avoid.

[@rainfyre2694]

“Cheater was banned” Do you mean: Heretic was purged?

[@TacticalTortoise]

With PREJUDICE :P

[@khorneflakes2175]

30 days ban is soft, lifetime ban straight up seems harsh. Baseline for me would be : 1st offense = 1 year ban, 2nd offense = lifetime ban.

[@bellportbattlebunker4682]

fair

[@FabledAllele]

Lol why would you cheat in 40K? I've been cheated before and it's honestly pathetic. I Think life time bans should be used if clear cut proof like this guy rather than like some players I play they just don't know their rules at all which also sucks playing against in a tournament setting but i'm not going to shun them from playing the game.

[@stevenschnepp576]

While playing one of the strongest armies, no less.

[@jessemelvin9199]

The ending of this video made me smile. Couldn't agree more.. who would ever want to be on the opposite side of the table from this guy? Ban him for life.

[@Docktavion]

In my local clubs one is a hot bed of known cheaters, so much so that they have curbed all external members from playing there due to the toxic nature of said players. In my main club, we have a subscription service that can be terminated to stop them from playing here if folk don’t like the clubs rules on being a ‘gentleman gamer’. We’ve had to deal with everything from fake dice, fake faqs, over spending points, adding /changing equipment on the fly (helped by not using wusiwig), changing die results, rolling too many/ too few dice, ‘Misremembering’ rules Bringing books for wrong editions (changing data in books) No army lists Asking for perpetual redos / ‘I just forgot to do this’ (but refuses opponents the same ‘rights’ Fudging measurements Etc lots of other toxic behaviour like dropping opponents figures if they are losing, stealing figures, constantly asking for rules clarification to slow games down so they can win.

[@Docktavion]

I forgot to add. They give excuse to the behaviour with a number of points. *regards to GWs policy of its your game do what you want that’s fun for you. (They say they enjoy the extra intrigue of braking the forth wall). *Warfare isn’t fair and any tactics should be allowed, it’s your fault for not knowing as much as them or been careful in watching them (fog of war) *Lastly they are open with their antics and so if folk agree to play there against them then you can’t complain.

[@senorsuave]

hilarious how calm and reasonable you were until the true feelings at the end! lifetime is harsh for a first strike imo, but definitely 1 full year should be the final warning. Caught a 2nd time? Straight to jail.

[@emperorofmankindog]

Glory to my full number 6 faces dices on the roll of wrath of mars on my dakkabots.

[@gabrielmarquez4029]

He should see if he can get a redo if he spends a command point

[@Schlynn]

I kept seeing on the reddit thread that caught this that he was only suspended for 30 days.

[@aaronbeaton4785]

He was suspended for 30 days from that group of Tournaments. But his ITC score was deleted, and a full year ban on scoring anymore. So he still has the ability to play. But as he was one of the top players, it’s all been removed.

[@Schlynn]

@@aaronbeaton4785 thank you for the update :)

[@nfortin24]

Because technically he's not "banned".. he can compete.. just can't accrue points

[@Colton_T]

Can’t wait to watch him get what he deserves

[@dambrooks7578]

I suppose the benefits of Blood Bowl is that both Coaches have to see the dice results for them to be counted, or aside from the annoying use of a dice cup (armature dice rolling, pros use Hand Cups 🙄) there is nowhere to hide...

[@danhowarth8784]

Nice video which ends very strongly. I think the unnamed TJ Lanigan had just launched his own coaching services, so lol

[@latayantheazran]

I saw videos of poor fools paying him to build lists, thats both funny and infuriating

[@MagicE13]

This is the kind of guy that will now be rejected by friends play unless the dice are on display.

[@1awrenceofarabia]

Electronic dice rolling is the way forward for 40K comp, either via TTS or rolling app for in-person. 40K is big enough for some people to have a financial incentive to cheat and TO's of Majors need to start proactively making cheating more difficult.

[@FabledAllele]

Yeah but players like rolling dice, i myself spent quite a pretty penny on some custom dice for my death Korps of Krieg dice.

[@kellyhoesing2573]

Can go with having each table assigned a dice box to roll in and a shared set of tournament-owned dice to use. Eliminates the "unclear rolls" issue by having a single open space for all die rolls, and prevents shaved dice as well.

[@dylanusher8733]

@@kellyhoesing2573 but it's usually very obvious and uncommon, also puts burden on events to buy loads of dice, I like the idea of a box tho that's a good shout

[@mariusevander2214]

tts dice and any digital dice are no safer.

[@VonDurvish]

Why is no one revealing who it is? I don't understand protecting the players that try to devalue the game. This is the 3rd video I've seen who won't mention who it is. So this cheater can show up to my event and I'd have no idea that he just cheated in multiple ways. I just don't get it.

[@TacticalTortoise]

Naming ppl usually just gets them and their friends mad and starts extra dama no one needs; but if you want more info you can find it all here: www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/comments/mr6s0a/fabricators_forge_april_gt_tournament_recap/

[@VonDurvish]

@@TacticalTortoise thanks for the link, I appreciate that. In my opinion, your video/report on the incident was just that, a report as to what happened. It was not defamation, insulting or an attempt to attack the cheating individual. But by keeping the individual’s name from your report because he/she and their friends might get mad is allowing the trolls to take the tolls. I get that comment fights are not what your channel nor any channel is about but I also think it’s a small price to pay to discourage what I consider the worst behavior in the game. If I was a TO how am I to know if this cheater is attending my event. If I am a cheater and I see someone was caught but no one found out who it was, I would be encouraged to continue. Idk, that’s just my opinion. It’s not on Tactical Tortoise to police the hooligans but I do think if you’re going to report an incident, the who/what/where/when should be a part of it. Thanks for your great content. Look forward to more.

[@BillDing88]

Also, those dice were not the easiest to read. Which probably helps

[@troyluv33]

I think it would be hilarious that if he did come back to play in events that he can't play death gaurd anymore.

[@xandermacleod]

what an outro :D love it

[@Charlie-oz8yn]

Does anybody know what the orks player name is and where I can find his list?

[@christianwalsh7082]

Totally need to publicly call out everyone who does this. Name and shame

[@morkaili]

With the gamer tag maybe, with the actual name no and never. First of there is personal data protection and secondly you never know what crazy people may do, this person who cheated in a game could get beaten or worse.

[@latayantheazran]

Its TJ lanigan

[@mariusevander2214]

Alex Harrison

[@TheWanderer_1]

I’m brand new to 40k, picked up DG cause they look cool af - didn’t even know they were strong in 9th, pure aesthetic purchase. Sad to see this happening and to be done to an ork player of all things.

[@jaredking380]

at least make it a three strike system with increasing punishments ending with a life ban give some benefit

[@neilkirkley1500]

What's really ludicrous is that somone would play Death Guard and still need to cheat, who was he up against, 8th edition Iron Hands?

[@djc1375]

correct they probably do it that often that they do automatically and are used to not being called out due to being a pro player and are they really that good if they have to do that to win

[@saturnianlotus8343]

He's obviously trash if he has to cheat playing DG

[@morkaili]

Cheater are a curse and it gotten worse in all kinds of video multiplayer game in the past months or it is just because more (cheater) play those games. I had to stop 4 games in a row of 40k via tts this months already because I catched my opponent cheating, like changing the size of their minis while moving them, abusing the dice rolling system of the game or the mod, adding command points, telling lies about their abilities from the start, having wrong stats in the profile etc. etc. I've seen much. It seems like that the inhibition threshold is pretty low for some when playing 40k via a pc, even though they are in voice chat with the opponent. And it annoys and dissapoints me a lot, ruins the time I spent playing and leaves me with a bad feeling/mood. It is worse when its not even a competetive game. I somewhat can understand the urge to cheat in a competetive game, somewhat, but in a friendly one ... like srsly why? My trust in the online community of 40k players is by now deeply scratched and I do not know if I'll play again with randoms via tts ... Another reason why not is that I am done with getting insulted or badly spoken to, because my spoken english isn't as good as the written and I am not a very fast tryhard, chess clock, comp player.

[@morkaili]

Oh and it is even worse to see that the admins of the server "TTS Warhammer 40k" don't ban or panalize cheaters, even when you send them evidence.

[@mateodemicheli2420]

Hello, sorry for the question, but what is the game that is playing in the background?

[@TacticalTortoise]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIvPaYdpaa2Mq80

[@ADhammer]

ITC games are only 2,000 points starting with this season. It was 1,000+ points previously.

[@taiyoctopus2958]

If its like 100% sure without any shadow of a doubt some person was intentionally cheating then lifetime ban is ok. But like, would hate to see someone banned from a hobby they spent so much time, effort and money in because they make a few back to back mistakes which side in their favor. 4 year ban for cheating honestly sounds like a good middle ground. Person will age nearly half a decade before they get back into the mix, maybe that will be enough time for them to mature and think about their despicable actions which led them there :3

[@GrimdarkSandwich]

It's wild to me that Tournaments don't require dice trays and Tournament provided dice. Seems like the quickest way to cut cheating in half.

[@charleshowie2074]

That would be expensive.

[@GrimdarkSandwich]

@@charleshowie2074 Require players to bring their own trays. Have a few on hand for sale. Basic dice are crazy cheap. You can buy a bucket load for like $100 and you mostly will keep using that same bucket for multiple tournaments.

[@starrius]

I think a lifetime ban for things would need to be very closely looked at something would have to be seriously done to warrant it. I'm pretty much thinking things like that can cause more damage than not especially as a lot of things can come to hearsay. Smaller things that are enforced feel better. The year long itc points ban I think is kind of their recorse but also that depends on how many times they can prove this happened.

[@FabricatorsForge]

I can't wait!

[@Djnightmare14]

Just a little longer now

[@jaredlucev2705]

Queue the dude making the usual complaints of "oh I was under a lot of stress and I made a mistake, I'm human, are you flawless????"

[@TacticalTortoise]

"I bet you've played a game of 40k where you egregiously cheated your opponent before too!"

[@Laceye91]

That terrain tho

[@TacticalTortoise]

It is nice looking :)

[@brandonfox5046]

Fabricators Forge in Pittsburgh had some stellar terrain.

[@TacticalTortoise]

They also continued to use the ITC ruins houserule *on top* of the new Obscuring mechanic; which I think is phenomenal.

[@FabricatorsForge]

@@TacticalTortoise The chaos skulls are getting acrylic bases for future use so the footprint is easier to see.

[@harleyjay338]

my favourite part is the last 5 seconds of this video, sums up how we all feel about cheats

[@Brendolf]

Imagine being THIS sweaty. yikes

[@punchyMiddleEarth]

Yeah thats not the definition of Sweaty bud, its just disingenuous behaviour that basically amounts to scummy cheating pure and simple.

[@RGC-gn2nm]

Spirit of the game.

[@iambryansimpson]

TJ Lannigan. Because I don’t believe in protecting people who cheat.

[@pigzy9807]

How do people feel about action when it is not 100% obvious if the person is cheating or just messing up the rules. Like if a player constantly advances and fire a unit that is not allowed to?

[@folieadeux5463]

my neighbour, classmate and previous close friend have cheated his entire fucking life. we always wondered what was wrong with his head. it was so disgusting, he would get so angry too, when we confronted him when he did it. He would manipulate dice, manipulate rules, manipulate turns, try to manipulate you, he would move his nids further than allowed, he would surround further than allowed with his models, he would place his models illegally when deep striking to get as many out there as possible, on top of one another and laugh about it to make it seem like he was the one suffering, he would use rule effects more times a turn than allowed. such a complete fucking asshole, and he would be smug about winning. a ruthless narcissist, that pushed everyone around him away, as he deserved. he knew the rules and he chose to try to win by cheating. PS: I still beat his f ass almost every time, from skill and tactical judgement while he relied on cheating and laziness

[@Nobleshield]

Good, there needs to be a harder stance taken on this. I recall in 7th or 8th (forget which) there was a lot of possible cheating and FLG and co were always defending the guys trying to downplay it, the whole "oh they just had a lapse in judgment but they're a great guy so we should forgive them" kind of crap. Now I think trying to make Warhammer into an e-sport (or t-sport as it may be) is ridiculous if there's any hope at all for it to get that kind of traction there needs to be a zero-tolerance standpoint on cheating.

[@primafacie5029]

I didn't think it would be much of a problem. I always thought there was a bit of an honour code

[@requited2568]

It is just the nature of the human condition, especially when money is involved, although it is not necessary. Same way there will always be criminals.

[@peterpan4038]

@@requited2568 Yes, 40k has a widespread believe in honor and fairplay. But even the best communities have a few rotten pieces of scum.

[@saarlann]

Just say TJ Lanigan, one of the best Chaos Space Marine players out there who suddenly needed to resort to unsportsmanlike behavior. Really makes no sense. I am glad we have Richard Siegler at the Art of War showring real gentleman 40K games etiquette.

[@GrimonprezB]

Cheaters, cheaters everywhere!! Best part is when you ask them to stop or to play fair they cry like kids and are mad.... sigh

[@coldpsyker1354]

Have a local player who basically plays only new players, sets up terrain in his favor, and then on top of that cheats-and we had a big influx of new players when 8th edition was released. Luckily some of the new players met me and I taught them the actual rules and they continue to play to this day, but I always wonder how many people stopped any interest in tabletop wargaming because of that guy. He only plays Magic the Gathering now because everybody that I know refuses to play him.

[@artamesfrost4179]

Only way I cheat is by taking Iron Hands and having 2 Sicaran punishers a liviathan with 2 storms and a fire raptor with LC and QHB on it. Add in the rest of the shooting armie and lots of shots.

[@MrPace-ge4qy]

Well said

[@Nevets1073]

As more events start giving out bigger prizes or any cash prizes, this will only increase. The risk/reward favors cheating. We've seen this with M:TG since its inception in 1993 (the value of booster packs even at release was such that essentially any packs were effectively a cash prize). There is only two ways to correct this: limit prize support or drastic and draconic punishments for cheating. What's draconic? A player who acts this brazenly probably should have a lifetime ban from ITC events. There is no excuse for this behavior, it was extremely obvious that he was cheating, he benefited from cheating and everyone he played was impacted by his cheating. The one year ban would be more appropriate for lighter infractions. In no cases, however, should the player be allowed to participate in future events until their ban is served. The idea that this guy could attend events and cause more trouble for his opponents or worse, find new and more subtle ways to cheat should be considered. Regardless, no matter how much ITC doesn't want to, it will have to start taking responsibility for the integrity of their events.

[@RockSplitter]

Jeez. If you're going to sell your reputation, do it for something worth more than a 40K game.

[@toomanyhobbies116]

It's Death Guard though you don't even need to cheat lol glad this guy got his just dessert's

[@Schlynn]

Cheated and still got 3rd that tournament lol

[@peterpan4038]

ITC can't exactly stop a player from playing, but they can and SHOULD void ITC points. That's without a doubt clearly in their power.

[@scottrubin4478]

Blatant cheating should = lifetime ban, agreed.

[@darkmagpiestudios8222]

Well this is sad....

[@MegaJiffyman]

Lifetime bans are a must in situations like this, these people wont say to themselves “oh i learned my lesson”

[@charleshowie2074]

Why?

[@STLSpartan]

Has TJ came out and made a statement on anything?

[@Hardygal91]

I do not believe so

[@tryhard40k77]

He will at some point today allegedly

[@Suillibhain]

I'm not sure that a life time ban for one verified game of cheating seems a tad harsh. I am a fan of the 3 strikes rule for something that final. I would like a system that allows for people to change and grow, discourages bad behavior and rewards good behavior. I do agree that a nuclear option like a lifetime ban is nessissary, but should only be used when a variable pattern of cheating has been proven. Or you could just do what some of the people on reddit have put forth and have him killed... that seems a bit harsh to me.

[@chriscurry761]

I have been guilty of doing the exact opposite of that. Where if im going to win or the other players is just rolling trouble ill throw dice and pick them up and say it was a miss. Even did it this weekend i let them know after but pulled the oh man i totally forgot my archon has 7 atk the whole game. And even didn’t reroll 1s for non kab troops even though i was playing a raid detachment

[@Demane69]

One year later: "Oh look, the cheater is back. We totally trust him now and everything will go well."

[@jonasandersson5838]

Better than throwing them out for life if they changed. They will be watched

[@recreant359]

I mean you have to pay to go to these events, they want the money they don’t really care about integrity

[@asmith9554]

Yeah, he won a GT this year already

[@peternolder8145]

Independent referees would be a nice to have at the higher stage games.

[@mflexler]

This dude just won a (local) tournament today against new players to win a cash prize. Guess he didn't want to take too long of a break from the hobby to 'learn his lesson'.

[@haraldhenning897]

I have this hypothesis regarding "scummy players" in wargames - there is a fixed percentage of douchebags in the world. The bigger a community is the more (absolute number) douches are present in that community, so you hear/see more of that behaviour as a result.Any crackdown on behaviour of that is very much needed, though I would prefer it to have a sort of "redemption opportunity". Thanks for the vid.

[@Jagrofes]

Side note, ITC is no longer the “Independent” Tournament Circuit, it is now the “International” Tournament Circuit. They’re pretty big now, and now give balance advice to GW, so they are no longer independent.

[@HandofBlake]

Lifetime Ban. Automatically disqualified from scoring in future events.

[@dingoman]

I'm saddened that I know this guy... Or at least have met him.

[@nurglematthew893]

Toss out the Snakes. :)

[@XRCSgames]

TJ Lannigan. Idk why this guy is making a video about a specific cheater and then won't name him...

[@BB-pn2qv]

Yeah now that it is clear what happened, LIFETIME ban.

[@mathewkelly9968]

I don't play tournaments and I won't play "tournament" players ........ I've played since rogue trader , it's always been a thing for these type of guys to cheat .

[@RFischer]

Couple of comments. Kinda felt like this video was click bait Mr. Turtle. Hyping it ahead of time and then not even naming the culprit? Life time ban would be too harsh. As humans there is still such a thing as redemption. He has to carry the stigma of this forever and I am sure it will affect his KZbin channel or the ones he participated with. Lastly I think you are wrong that GW gives a wit about whether someone cheats playing their game. They are a model company. I am aware they once rewarded someone for good sportsmanship in a very publicized tournament though. But that was self serving PR in my humble opinion.

[@RFischer]

@Sean Thompson I can't say I saw him cheating on Batreps I watched but he sure came across as a WAAC player.

[@lonecolamarine]

Imagine cheating period, especially in a board game. I know video games have more competitivity, I don't like vidya cheaters either, especially being a TF2 veteran. But come on, A TABLETOP GAME. That's like, the definition of wholesome gaming. Disgraceful, simply disgraceful.

[@ianhorne2884]

I have to say I'm against "life time" bans as a general principle. Because theres then no road to redemption...people need to be allowed to rehabilitate... not just in 40k but In life generally, punishment yes life time bans no

[@endlesswaffles6504]

Played against cheaters, not fun. I'm sick of it.

[@thedamneddice575]

Only a year... should be a life time ban

[@TheAgentmigs]

Fuck em!!

[@alexanderabramov2719]

You’re right about it being a minority but from what I heard they’re mostly concentrated among top competitive players. Go figure

[@peterpan4038]

Exactly. It's like in any sport/competition, cheaters cheat to get an advantage. It's only reasonable to assume that the highest ranked players are more likely to be cheating then those that rank pretty low. And yes, some maniacs manage to be bad while cheating... but usually cheaters run towards the top til they get either outed as scum, or get away with it and hailed as the "greatest".

[@Scelestiis]

"I make my own luck." hohoh

[@Madashell1200]

A card carrying "That Guy"

[@VaSoapman]

I also think a lifetime ban would have been better. While harsh the one year ban could actually encourage some cheaters.

[@virgilromero3252]

In powerlifting, specifically IPF, if you are caught taking steroids, you get a life time ban. Steroids are banned in the IPF. I’m with you on the lifetime ban and make sure they don’t play in the community

[@andrewvawter4830]

Definitely possible to police who's banned or not WOTC does.

[@Corvus_Corax_Games]

I think the real reason this has blown up is that i hear it was the number one ITC player

[@andtheinternettkills]

He was the #1 ranked player

[@christianae1988]

Looks like he is no longer a coach for Art Of War 40k !! Good decision by the Art Of War40k team to kick him out!

[@classic45s]

He had left Art of War prior to this event. Also AoW has caught cheaters on their team.

[@paulausten5786]

Personally the player should be named & shamed. Although I believe in 2nd chances any tournament they play in after the ban should have a referee watch him & if they cheat again banned for life.

[@garbagecan755]

"I'm not gunna name the player or the event or anything." and then proceeds to immediately show footage with the name of the event prominent within it. Lol.

[@bobhoskins-kl6ue]

I've seen videos of people nudging models and such but this is 40k cheating on a new level, just making up your dice rolls, wow

[@phillawrence5148]

Thats hardly a punishment

[@Voodoowolfe]

TJ Lanigan needs a lifetime ban.

[@spookrockcity]

should be a lifetime ban or at minimum 5 years