Check your 2.0t TSI VW | Audi for Timing Chain Stretch!

Timing Chains have been an issue for the 2.0t TSI VW and Audi engines. While we were have known for a long time that the early revision timing chain tensioners had problem, the timing chain stretch is becoming more common. Make sure to check your VW or Audi 2.0t TSI for this issue to prevent a major engine failure.
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[@Deutscheautoparts]

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[@rgolab3174]

Mine is 9.45 and it runs and has been running fine.124k miles. 2009 A4 2.0T (CAEB). No engine codes, no knocks, no weird noises. Never changed timing chain, guides etc. I don't really understand how it can be ok at 9.45.

[@Tsykal]

The timing chain slip occurs when a worn out and shifted under tension chain lands at a wrong tooth. The crankshaft pulley has 42 teeth, 360deg/42 = 8.57deg - angular distance between any two crankshaft teeth. So, the critical point for crankshaft slip is 8.57/2 = 4.28deg. But this is the shift between the crankshaft and chain landing at the teeth. This application measures the total phase error between the crankshaft and camshaft, and the camshaft will have its own phase shift added to the total measured phase value: 360/46teeth/2 = 3.91deg. So, the critical measured phase angle is: 4.28 + 3.91 = 8.19deg. - this is the tripping point at which your chain is guaranteed to slip.

[@Tsykal]

@Hecer- 8.8 is a lot.

[@menelaos1992]

@@Tsykal I am getting -6.49 with a 44% adjustment. Is it a lot?

[@Tsykal]

@@menelaos1992 its a lot. They say up to 4 is ok.

[@jameskujawski6651]

Does the OBD11 account for this?

[@Tsykal]

@Hecer- if you read that much it could mean that your chain is 1 tooth off.

[@tuckejev]

Great vid, do more showing how to use OBDEleven's scan tool like this one. Thanks!

[@Clarkjograham]

Super helpful!!. I have a mk7 gli and heard some rattling, so I was freaking out. 130kkm sitting at 4.31 definitely going to change this asap! You da man for giving specs! Exactly what I was looking for.

[@cosminprodan4405]

Hi! You are sitting at +4.31 or - 4.31? Have you changed your timing chaines?

[@lNOFXlCronier]

Great guide, definitely still something worth knowing, I'll be checking this as soon as I'm home. Thanks!

[@alexjoynes1493]

Great video...didn't know you could do it with the scantool! You rock!

[@electro1747]

Very good Video thanks u again My question is can I check my mk5 r32 with the obdeleven to check if I have any stretch on the chains?

[@QTheNev]

Thanks for teaching us. I just checked mine it was -2.45° . So that's good then

[@jericholee]

Love the video, anyone know if Obdeleven's 093 camshaft adjustment adaptation is the same as Torque Pro's Timing Advance?

[@Tincho780]

Deutsche Auto Parts Hello, I wanted to get rid of a doubt, I made the chain change and when measuring the value of the chain I went from -5.50 to -2.19. that's fine or I should correct. thank you very much for your channel

[@giorkar2116]

Hello sir! Excellent video! I want to ask if you know if we also can check the chain strech for the 1.4 tsi vw engines like cavd , cavf , caxa , caxc , blf , blg , bmy etc...here in Greece we have to many 1.4tsi cars than 2.0 ltr.... thanks in advance!!

[@Metamorphosisdude]

Hey, I have an AAX engine gti mk5 and I'm reading 5 degrees on my OBDEleven, the engine also sounds like a diesel engine. Would replacing the shorted timing chain on the top with the yellow tensioner fix the problem or do I need to go deeper down. I'm not even sure if there are more chains on my vehicle since I always though that it would be a belt engine.

[@jimakos75]

My friend thank you for your help, i would like to ask you, why my OBDeleven pro shows value prices and it isnt like yours which shows with letters what it is every value i see in my phone. Thank you again.

[@abderrahmanegouasmi7556]

hi. good tutorial. Is there an obd eleven to check boost leak or simple boost? thank you

[@capax1559]

Thank you for the explaination ! I think mine has been replaced in the lifetime of the car, it currently sits at 183 000 kilometers with 3.19 degres with a little push of the throttle (even lower at idle, something along -2.69). Still gonna make it checked at volkswagen CC just to be sure, especially the tensionner because the chain seems to be fine !

[@blackrose1961000]

Can you use this method to check the earlier 2.5 engine timing chain ?

[@super1woofer1]

thx for the video, my tiguan shows -206 shut i change the timing chain?

[@toothferrin]

Can you check this same measuring block on an fsi to check the cam chain tensioner?

[@MrLeewsee]

So the correct measurement should be slightly negative at idle with a permissible range of slightly neg. to slightly pos? Can the error only go in one direction (positive) due to direction of engine rotation?

[@bovcrx]

Just bought it to check for stretch. I have a TSi 2012 Beetle 6sp that doesn't feel the same, so I'm hoping this helps me find out why.

[@Mafffee]

Hey DAP, when I go into live data (A4 B8 3.2 FSI), I can't find phase position, or anything related to the cam/timing chain really. Is this locked or does this engine not have such supervision?

[@911airsoftdude]

What about mk7's I have heard they are prone to tensioner problems prematurely as well. Also what RPMS should a mk7 gti be within at idle? On the COBB it is reading 672rpm

[@Chris-iw8gx]

At -7.52 I'm late doing this and have learned that I'm super lucky! I have an 09 Passat 2.0 CCTA engine with 270k km on the car and 140k on the current updated tensioner. No noise, other than the normal I-sound-like-a-diesel sounds (I think its the hpfp?). ANYWAYS, what else should I be changing to account for chain stretch? Just tensioner+chain? Or should I plan for any guides/etc? Everything is original except the tensioner

[@Section31HQ]

Wish I knew this a year and a half ago when I blew the engine. I'll keep an eye on the new one with the obd11. Thanks for the video

[@Deutscheautoparts]

Sorry to hear

[@Section31HQ]

Hey, at least I know now so I can keep an eye on the new engine I had put in. Again, thanks for the video!

[@geneb4115]

Is the extension distance of the tensioner any indication? My 2009 A3 is apart, in my garage, getting a new timing chain as I write this. With he old chain/tensioner/guides the tensioner was nearly fully extended. With the new parts, it's only out about two notches. It seems the chain stretch is part of the reason for chain noise, the other part being worn guides. ~130,000 miles.

[@davidl2473]

Hi, For 2009 a3 2.0t quattro, if block 93 is 4.07 degree, should i be worry about the chain? Or just change the tensioner should be enough? Thanks for your opinion in advance, david

[@alloutofdonuts3998]

Thanks for the extremely helpful vid. My car is right at 5 deg.(2006 audi A4 2.0t). I have misfiring and/or rough idle when the car is cold start. Once it warms up its smooth but has that light diesel sound. I feel like I'm on borrowed time now. Lots of list for this car.

[@vericucosmin8648]

It was the chain that made the car run like that cold?

[@alloutofdonuts3998]

@@vericucosmin8648 yes I believe so, well the timing to be more specific. But ya, caused by stretched chain or other worn parts

[@baubaa1417]

Obviously a very late reply, but I've heard that carbon build up can cause the listed problems above especially with the first gen ea888 motor

[@alloutofdonuts3998]

@@baubaa1417 It very well could've been that. I ended up selling the car to a coworkers son and I believe he ended up replacing the head but I’m not sure why. Coincidentally I ended up getting a 335xi w/the n54 engine, also notorious for carbon build up(also direct injection). I did the cleaning myself -holy 💩 what a mess. It ran much better afterwards tho 🙂.

[@Luciusf11]

Great vid. Thank you. What app are you using?

[@ohiomossyoak]

This video really helped me learn

[@NF77]

Hello only Pahse position on bank 1 intake its important? i mean using vcds it displays bank 1 and 2, thanks!

[@ZanicL3]

Any idea how I can check this in other apps like Torque Pro?

[@7744bros]

Would you be able to use that rule of thumb for a for the Audi S4 motor 3. 0 t?

[@francishuxley5928]

Great video as usual...quick question.....you hit on timing chain elongation:reset after chain replacement briefly.....this is my situation for a 2.0T 2014 Audi Q5.....but most recent version of VCDS does not have that option in Basic Tests!!! Is there some other place, or some other name to look for it....or some other way to do the reset......the engine starts immediately(it had the typical stretched chain lag before chain replacement), and the adaptation value is way under 5%,....but its running very rough.....appreciate any help you can offer....thanks!

[@OptimusBri22]

I know you said for a TSI engine, but would it also be on channel 93 on MKV 2.5?

[@TheDjkasio]

Hi.Which version of obd are you using?Is thats a pro or just standart?

[@FlowAlexis95]

I have a 2009 gti. The tensioner did its thing, I was able to fight the warranty and get a new engine. How is the reliability of the revised tsi engine.????

[@nsoper19]

Is this phase angle different for different engines? I have a 1.6 engine with a timing chain.

[@ze_german2921]

My 160K Audi 2.0T has bad vibration at Idle. I also had a P0301 miss fire at cyl.1. I replaced PCV Valve, 4 Plugs +Coils. No change. I then removed Intake, cleaned all carbon with walnuts and added 4 new injectors. still no change. could a stretched chain throw the balance shaft out of time to the point causing vibration?

[@longmanpopbartosz5661]

Standard obd evelen can be any problem to find this position?

[@unearth1yone]

Hello I have valve cover / cam cover gasket leak (green anaerobic sealant) on 2012 vw CC (2.0 TTsi engine)... my car is at 133k miles and I have never had the timing chain tensioner / chain itself replaced. My local mechanic is telling me that when he removes the cam cover to replace the green anaerobic sealant it is really recommended to do the timing chain tensioner and chain itself as removing the cover without doing it can throw the engine out of time. He is quoting me $950 for the gasket replacement and $1700 for the gasket / timing chain / tensioner work. Is it really necessary to do this when you do the gasket to keep it in time? At what mileage does the chain / tensioner usually mess up? Reasonable pricing? Thank you so much for what you do.

[@_Ambition124]

*I have a 2008 audi 4 2.0t my camshaft degree reads around 27o is that bad? Not sure what a good within specs would look like I also have obdeleven*

[@faynafou]

Do this work for an EA113 engine? An engine that has belt and chain? Thank you very much.

[@martinlegui1000]

How can I get to that module for my 2012 Tiguan? In the car’s menu I get “info”, “history”, “Apps”, “Real Time Data”, “Manual”, “Graphics” & “discussions”. I guess it would be Real Time Data but when I get in I don’t have an “engine” module like in the video but lots of different parameters of the car I can choose from. One of them is “timing advance”, would it be? Rgds

[@danielmiller6134]

Would this show if you potentially skipped a space in timing also?

[@arronlowley5659]

what about phase 1 exhaust? is it the same specification, I believe my intake bank 1 is 0 degrees even after 60k miles, but last time i checked exhaust bank phase 1 was 3.13 degrees.

[@-dimitri-5635]

(I have a 2014 Mk6 Jetta SE 1.8t)After doing timing chain/tensioner/guides for suspected chain stretch and retiming . Is there anything I have to do to the ECU like reset parameters? Pretty new to this so

[@mirola73]

Just make sure you change the oil on time, bad / not enough oil is the biggest reason for time stretch.

[@nyvinchenz9430]

Hi do you have a video with the tfsi 2014 year audi check for the same issue having fuel pressure codes and someone says the timing chain is going and no code for out of timing. Thank you

[@sciroccomods]

HI, iv just checked my tensioner on my 2.0t scirocco and i cant see which version i have but i can see it isn't the latest, i checked the chain with obdeleven and got -3.54 so im just going to do the tensioner, but is there any reason to do the other tensioner that screws in underneath , cheers

[@farasmaroge93]

Does this need to be reset after changing the chain, tensioner with vcd adaptations or just leave it?

[@wunancheng8672]

Very useful! Thanks!

[@MarioHernandez-bn6pm]

Is there a way to check the timing chain tensioner ? 2016 gti

[@richardhoover8021]

Do you know if the Autel MD802 (I own) is capable of retrieving this data? It communicates well with my VWs systems.

[@dudududu6764]

How do i test 1.4tsi caxa? Because on my vcds on block 93 its just saying steering angle Thank you.

[@julianpuzio7234]

I have a 2010 audi a4 , had intake valves bent rebuilt head at machinesho,new pistons and rings chains guides and all. Engine still has a loss of power. Something that I did not know is Intake and exhaust camshafts sprockets are pressed on , that means if your engine goes out of time to point that bends valves it could potentially move lobes out of position and you would never get proper timing , I think that's what is happening with my engine , so to verify I will have to take it apart and inspect camshaft lobes, a shitty design . I would like to know how to check for the sprockets and lobes out of time I just don't want to spend money on camshafts they are very expensive. Please help, thank you.

[@x-man4702]

Thanks for the video! Does this proceadure apply to the 1.8 TSI engine? Say 2014 and up. Thanks.

[@msmith508]

Same question on my 2014 1.8t...and if +1.1°“camshaft adaptation intake bank 1, phase position” is good

[@danielmedrano9083]

I changed the tensioner and the timing chain along with all the chain guides in my 2.0 tsi b6 passat. Should I be concerned with stretch? I am assuming since I used a new chain it should be good...

[@em1ownerify]

My 2014 gti is 93k miles. Just checked. I’m at -3.54. I have updated tensioner but I get some rattle on warm start ups and sometimes cold. Ima go ahead and do the internal maintenance. To close to risk it. I’m going k04 very soon

[@vasylsemikhov4501]

What values will be ok on GTI sport MK7 2016 (MT)?

[@EarlCharles]

Would this apply to the mk5 jetta 2.5L's ?

[@mjsauto6432]

Hi what do u guys think of the 2014 Audi A5 with the 2.0t and 8 speed auto reliable power train?

[@joshruiz809]

Just had mine done. 2011 at 65K at the time I got it done. The actual tensioner was getting close to fail (was getting the valve gasket leak done at the time as well) so I upgraded to the newer one.

[@plorwax]

How much did that cost you entirely? Guides got done too?

[@alexhatcher8812]

Can you run this on a newer VW in both OBD-eleven AND VCDB? my OBD-eleven on my 2014 Passat 1.8T says 0.6% (at 145,000 miles), but the local mechanic said he had a 4 with his VCDB.

[@MrS22222]

So, when I do this test at idle the reading is 1.6% and when I whip the throttle the reading goes to 3.6%. Is this test supposed to remain at idle for the duration of it?

[@spencer1320]

I have a 2012 GTI, would I put 93 in or would I just put timing chain in obd11?

[@myphonelist]

I purchased an OBD Eleven form your shop over a year ago. I plugged in my scan tool and looked for this " Camshaft adjustment adaptation" and couldn't find it. Can tell me what the the degree of timing would be good and bad for my 2013 Vw Passat 3.6 and what I would need to look at in the scan tool. I followed these instructions and couldn't find it. I used the text based search on the phone app.

[@alpa7762]

Hoping you can help I have 2014 tiguan. After timing chain.below all obdeleven. Before timing chain - 6.65 After timing chain +7.79.

[@grimmoftheforest5365]

Can this only be done on a OBD 11 or can I use a autel maxicom mk808

[@akhterkamran]

Can you share how to check the phase position on an audi q5 using a foxwell N510 elite. Haven't been able to find any videos for this device.

[@jameskujawski6651]

How do you find a listing for the codes please? Keep up the great work!

[@ayushkumarnayak8274]

Hey ! I have a 1.8 tsi motor. The phase position bank1 is showing +13.62 !!! Am i in trouble?

[@jameskujawski6651]

Channel 93 for a Mk6 GTI and purchase the software and cable for pc or phone, correct? Does the software kit tell me what the other channels are for? Thanks!

[@bstortford196622]

I'm really enjoying your videos. Where can I buy the android software you are using?

[@notapoutsever]

Is this something you can do with Carista? I just bought this device and have the torque pro app. Thank you for the videos, just subscribed!

[@mplafferty]

Hi, My mechanic told me I need a new chain on my 2015 1.8 GSW. I asked him how he diagnosed it, and he said he did it with a stethoscope, so I am skeptical. My original issue is a lugging /knocking sound at low RPM prior to downshifting. If I drive in sport mode, I really don't have any issues. I was thinking of getting a pedalbox to get through another year or two. What are your thoughts?

[@ErtanV]

Hi. I have Golf 7 GTI Clubsport EA888.3. Camshaft adaptation intake bank 1, phase position is 0.0 - 0.3. However, Camshaft adaptation exhaust bank 1, phase position is bouncing between 3.5, 3.7, 4.1 and 4.5. Is this normal? Engine is on 40.000 km.

[@turek737]

After rebuilding my 1.8tsi I had 1.05 and after 2 years and 30kkm I have 1.18. So I guess this obdeleven isn't lying 😁

[@prasiddha1986]

do I need to so this cold start or csn it done after an hour of driving?

[@boostedzx2zetec]

I’ve got a 2014 gti and my OBDeleven says -3.67 but on start ups there is chain rattle idk which chain but definitely on start up there is rattle should I stop driving it or will it be fine?

[@SynysterJesus]

If you have anything at -4 and -5, you should check for the screen on the camshaft bridge.

[@shimon2476]

?? explain

[@batchimed7392]

I also heard something about screen on balance shaft. Would like to learn about these screens. Where can I find info?

[@silviuvalentinsultan3753]

For ea113 (mkv gti) I have 93 : - 3 deegre KW ? Is that safe or I have to change the chain and tensioner?

[@kevinwonsetler3777]

Is this available on the basic obd 11 or do you need pro plan

[@4rari89]

So vagcom would also be data block 93?

[@young1855]

Hi does your engine load reading change percentage? Mine doesn’t change when revving or driving ??

[@NickyStrunz]

Would this reading on the OBD11 be the same as the reading listed as “Cam actual angle” on the Cobb Accessport? The reading is around 27-30 degrees and the “cam angle setpoint” defaults at 28 degrees.

[@EazyDuz18]

not sure sorry

[@chinconcuac2003]

Hello, is same problem whit 1.8 turbo TSI 3r generation engine ?

[@erenoglu]

I have 3.55 and 180 k miles 2011 . I have also chain and belt on Tiguan 2.0 tfsi. Whats the best to do change ?

[@luiszubillaga1463]

I am glad I never had this issue with me 06 GLI (FSI) , she always ran flawlessly, belts are less problematic than chain... but know I drive an A6 3.0T and starting to do the chain rattle at 120k miles...I'll Chek this ASAP with my obd11...but I dont see this option on my obd11...

[@stevenyammine2908]

is it the same if i checked the phase position bank 1 exhaust instead of intake?

[@Ninja-357-]

Do you know what bank I will find this on an A3 3.2 v6 2005 thanks

[@MyDeere3320]

Is channel 93 good for 2011 Audi Q5 2.0T as well?

[@fernandobullon430]

Do you know if theres this same process for bmw

[@bovcrx]

Car idle is at 800-840rpm and shows 1.75 degree on value 3. Thanks for the video. Now to figure out why my bug is sluggish these days.

[@Plus2-1]

Do the +/-5.00 values apply to TFSI engines as well, or just the TSI? If they only apply to the TSI, are there known values for the TFSI? Also curious as to whether those values are of concern in the absence of any other indicators of chain wear. I was under the impression a chain, unlike a belt, will give some obvious signs of wear and imminent failure (e.g., noisy, misfires, and ultimately DTCs and/or MIL illumination).

[@erenoglu]

Same

[@jcbonly]

Mine was a ~-5,5° and the exhaust one was already one tooth over, so I was pretty lucky to get out with a healthy engine in the end.

[@static_mk6_gli223]

😱 lucky! That’s scary as heck! I just checked mine and thankfully I am at ~2.38.

[@itsperstrive4193]

@@static_mk6_gli223 how many miles?

[@JH-sc7cs]

@@static_mk6_gli223 mileage / kms?

[@voyfan99]

I'm over 6 degrees on my '12 GLI. Misfires have started so a replacement is coming.

[@plorwax]

@@voyfan99 Hi, any other obvious symptoms you had? I’m at -5.64 and car is running fine.

[@elijahkeith5766]

hey i have a question? on 6/25/22 i replaced my timing chain, guides, tensioner, and balance shaft chain and guides. When i finished block 93 read "-0.066*". i just checked it last evening and it reads "-0.92*". Would something had to occur for it to move "-0.26*"?

[@steveweyerts]

will this work on a 3.6 vw? I had the dealer put in a timing chain and now my car does not run.

[@elijahkeith5766]

Is there a specific length that the "06K109467K" is extended before you need to replace it?

[@ReydioTube]

Good to know 👍

[@jose15238]

Can this cause my TSI not to build boost? i have ched everything and i feel timing might be off.