Resetting and refilling the PGI 72 Carts with OEM inks

As you guys may have seen, I've been receiving tons of "empty" PGI-29 carts from the CANON Pro-1 which shares the same ink set as the PRO-10 minus DK and LK
Regardless of the fact that they are "Empty" they still contain some left over ink. I aspirate that and collect it into 2 oz squeeze bottles so I can top off my original PGI-72 carts with it and continue to enjoy OEM ink printing.
In this video I reset and fill one Empty Chroma Optimizer PGI-72 Cart. This a process called "The Dribble Method" and yes, it takes several minutes per cart to perform. But in the end you will have the most accurately filled and most reliable PGI-72 cart you can hope for.
That translates to a perfectly working and flowing cart.
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[@richardnelson5229]

Boy I went through OEM ink fast. I kept track though and printed "20" 4x6 prints, "24" 5x7's, "22" 8.5x11's, "3" 8x10's and "5" 4x4's. My light grey and chroma optimizer was low with the CO actually giving off a warning. I filled both up with Precision Colors. I learned from you video that you only have like 10 minutes before the print head moves back to the right, so I set a timer for 9 minutes and filled both up with a bit of room to spare. Thanks Jose.

[@cheo1949]

+Richard Nelson Sounds great. Please share how the PC inks perform. I do not have any yet to try out.

[@madamemis6]

Excellent in every way

[@G.Menounos]

Dear Jose, one question please. For my Pro 10 I thinking to by a second foul set cartige of original oem of all the colors and do the think you say when one color is empty to replace all the colors and not only one. My question is this, when I take of the printer the first foul set cartige which only one of them will be totally empty but the others will have ink, some of them a lot of ink and some of them low ink, can i reset them and refill them with precision colors ink or with some way i must flush the yellow like in the Pro 100? The question is can in each cartige to have oem and precision colors inks together?

[@cheo1949]

No no no you misunderstand me the only time you're going to exchange full sets of cartridges is when you end up with two full sets of REFILLED cartridges and not while you're still using oem inks. You do not want to waste them unnecessarily. So exchange them one at a time in other words if yellow goes empty replace it with a second OEM yellow cartridge then take that now empty yellow and refill it with the 3rd party ink of your choice. One at a time. Then at some point you will end up with 10 refilled cartridges and now you have a full set of cartridges refilled. The reason being is you do not want to waste even a single drop of that expensive ink use each original cartridge until fully empty. Once you end up with two full sets then you begin to exchange a full set at a time when one of them goes empty but in order to get to that point you have to use them one at a time so that would be a total of 20 cartridges if you have a second set of Originals

[@G.Menounos]

@@cheo1949 Now i understand completely. Thank you very much Jose for the detailed answer!

[@MichaelMa]

Hi Jose. Thanks for the video. Would it be OK if I put precision color inks into carts that still have Canon ink? And not do the part with the syringe?

[@cheo1949]

You mean you prefer not to flush??? PRO-10? It would be best to flush but you do not have too. To transition from OEM to PC inks Reset and drip fill them AFTER each cart is empty. There will be minimal original ink in each cart.

[@neimanfarkus9708]

@@cheo1949 Why would it be better to flush? I'm asking because I'm a beginner at this. In one video, you said to just keep topping off with the PC inks, and eventually the whole set in your printer will be PC inks. But above you said it's better to flush. Why do you think it's better to flush? I worry about spore contamination, so I'm thinking not to add that step of flushing. LOVE your videos, Jose!

[@christophermoore8937]

I just want to clarify. So, when I refill an empty cart from the Pro-10 that had previously had OEM ink with PC ink but the other carts have OEM inks, I can top those off too with PC inks thereby mixing the OEM/PC inks without any risk of affecting prints outside of the slight color shift until all of the carts contain 100% PC inks? Also, when removing a cart for refilling, do you have to reset the chip each time you refill, even if you are just topping off or do you just reset when the printer alerts that the cart is empty? Thanks.

[@cheo1949]

There's no physical detrimental reaction from mixing OEM with PC. When the first one goes empty, reset it and fill it with PC. Then reset and top off the remaining 9 carts with the matching color PC inks. Yes you must reset before refilling and topping off.

[@iandavis1355]

Hi Jose. I received my inks from Precision Colors today (in Canada and the shipment was quick and inexpensive). A couple of questions: (1) Should I wait until a cart runs empty and then fill it (I don't have a second set). (2) I see that you suggest refilling the partially filled inks while I'm at it. But how do I go about filling the other carts if they aren't empty? The same procedure all except I only fill the cart to 32 grams since I don't really know how much ink remains. (Does resetting the chip of a partially filled cart do anything weird to the printer sensors?). Thanks.

[@bunke1]

I have yet another question when i bought my canon pro 10 printer i ordered a bunch of carts from canon to take advantage of all the paper they give away its crazy. Any way i have use everything up except the matt black that seems only to be used when you pr;int on mat paper and i also have a few reg black carts and one croma op left .Can i use the precision colors with the OEM mat, CO, and the pbk blacks or will there be trouble Thank you Jose

[@cheo1949]

Sure you can. No problem. By the way MK is only used when choosing Fine Art Matte media and not the regular matte media choice. That uses uses pk. Why? Absolutely not clue why canon has chosen that methodology.

[@vyoufinder]

I thought I saw in one of your videos about refilling and only having 4 minutes to make the cartridge exchange.. What if I were to unplug the printer after extracting the cartridges? Would that work and allow one as much time as they need to refill then insert the same cartridges?

[@cheo1949]

Yes you can but the idea is to never expose the print head assembly away from the parking station for more that it takes to remove and install one or all the carts. So you can not be spending hours modifying carts. No good. Plus after turning aff the PRI ter by pulling the plug will trigger a very large cleaning cycle that will use up about 1/3 of all the ink. What I recommend is a second ready and waiting. When one cart goes low, you replace it with the second one. Then you can reset and top off the cart set you just removed. So for the best practice you will need a second OEM set.

[@dmitryshokur1543]

Hi Jose, I am using GY from pro-1 to refill GY in pro-10. However, I came across several references that you advised to use DGY. Could you please advise, which grey you actually use.

[@cheo1949]

They are named the same but are NOT the same use DGY from the PRO1.

[@dmitryshokur1543]

@@cheo1949 May I ask you how did you decide that DGY in Pro-1 is the same as GY in pro-10?

[@SergeyKuryatkov]

Hi Jose! There was a video where you said that PGI-72 Gray is the same as PGI-29 Dark Gray, is it true? I just can't find the video.

[@cheo1949]

Yes. PRO-1 Dark Gray is the same density as PRO-10 Gray

[@bigbeartn]

do you have a full empty pgi-72 set for sale?

[@cheo1949]

Unfortunately I do not. I currently have two sets that I am currently using.

[@bunke1]

Hi Jose The first two PGI 72 carts i did i used the syringe to extract the air But the carts were not completely empty and i was extracting a lot of ink Is it necessary to do this with every cart if there is still a few ml of ink ln them. I am going for OEM to precision colors

[@cheo1949]

If you ha e ink in the carts then just add ink. The ink inside will keep the ink bag steady and will not collapse. I never have to extract air because I always top off before they are empty. So just top them off till 33 grams.

[@atixhd]

Hi Jose, quick question. We have a Canon Pixma Pro-10 and 10S in UK. I was wondering will this work on a 10S model ? Octoinkjet are still to respond :-)

[@cheo1949]

They are identical. So yes.

[@atixhd]

Awesome. One Pro-10S will be ordered :-)

[@JayTaylorSirfishalot]

Jose Rodriguez Hi Jose, I have a Pro-10 and want to start refilling with Precision Inks. Do I first need to purchase a full second set of OEM ink to get the carts and replace my original set all at the same time? Thanks and you are awesome man!

[@cheo1949]

That would be the ideal but more expensive way. I've been able to find some empties on Ebay. They are rare as you can imagine. But yes, it is best to have two sets of carts.

[@christopherbrown1371]

Hi @Jose Rodriguez , I just have one question about this process. do chips of the OEM pgi 72 carts need to be replaced with another chip every time you use the chip resetter? do can you reset the OEM chip an unlimited amount of times? Thanks for your time I really appreciate your channel, very informative.

[@cheo1949]

You reset and fill your original carts. Nothing else is required.

[@christopherbrown1371]

@@cheo1949 ok thanks alot Jose! I really appreciate it!

[@michellepeplinskiphotograpy]

Hi Jose - I have a Canon Pro-10 and absolutely love it. I will be selling photographic prints and I'm going through a lot of ink printing proofs on different fine art papers. I will be sticking with OEM inks for this and the final prints. I have at least 3 - 5 Canon OEM carts of each color, not all yet empty. I looked at Precision Colors and see they have everything I need to harvest and refill Canon OEM carts (PGI-72). You mentioned possible contamination in this video and that's the last thing I want. My question is, do I need to sterilize any of the bottles, syringes, needles, etc., before I begin using them? If so, how would I do that? Of course, I will buy one squezy bottle and needle for each ink, but do I need to get one syringe and shortened needle (for harvesting) for each color or can I wash them out in between colors (with what, water?)? This, and anything touching the needle is where I would worry about contamination happening. Also, I noticed you didn't clean your cart out before refilling it, so I assume you don't need to? How many times can you do this with a cart? Thanks a bunch for your awesome videos. I've learned a lot!

[@cheo1949]

You don't have to worry. Only dye inks are susceptible to the point where we would worry. The CLI 72 are filled by dripping ink till they weigh 32 grams. No need to harvest anything. So ply use each cart tille empty, reset with the resetter fro. PC and drip ink in. No need to flush anything. Use the bottles with the short needle which you can a!so get from PC. Load ink from the big bottles into the squeezy ones and work from those.

[@ilyaluk]

Would you refill setup ink tanks the same way? i have a full set of the ones that came with a printer, and not sure if I can refill them.

[@cheo1949]

Yes. There is no difference between "Setup" and the ones you might buy later on. Physically they are identical.

[@ilyaluk]

@@cheo1949 Thank you for a quick response and great videos. Followed your guides to buy precision colors.

[@cheo1949]

Awesome.

[@cs6993]

Why do you need to take the remaining out ink when your filling it up anyway?

[@cheo1949]

To collapse the ink bag!

[@SlappySlapperman]

Hey, I got some empty 72's off ebay, I flushed them cause some were pretty icky, is it safe to refill right away, or should I hit the little sponge with some Pharmacists solution and allow to dry or can I fill them right away with the sponge still wet??

[@cheo1949]

Did you use an orange clip with syringe adapter to purge the carts? If so all you have to do is load about 5ml of ink, load it into the matching cart, pump the ink in and out several times, suck the ink out. That bit of ink is tossed. Now you can load the carts as normal. This will dilute any water that remains inside the bag. By the way you need the exit sponge to be always wet and never allowed to be dry

[@SlappySlapperman]

Yes I made a syringe adapter, thanks for the info... Gonna get started filling them...

[@cheo1949]

Great! That will make the job easy!

[@johnny0110]

Jose, ordering my refill kit for my Pro 10 from PC today! I have a question..... I thought I saw in one of your videos where you said there was some issue with refilling the yellow OEM cartridge with PC inks? I can't find the video now, but it was something about the process in migrating to the PC inks with the yellow cartridge?? Or is that a different printer model??? Thanks!!

[@cheo1949]

Only with the PRO-100!!!!! Not any of the other CANON printers.

[@johnny0110]

Jose Rodriguez Awesome! Thanks buddy, you are the man! I have never seen anyone as dedicated to inkjet printers and helping others as you are my friend. I appreciate what you do and I'm sure a lot of other people appreciate it also. Great work! Keep it up!

[@cheo1949]

Thank you John. Glad to be of help.

[@kainguerrero6583]

Ok. ya tengo los originales, usted cree que si compro el resetter que usted usa podria rellenarlos de tinta y usarlos asi como usted lo hace en sus tutoriales, cree que sea compatible para mi region ese resetter.

[@cheo1949]

El resetter es echo por RedSetter. Es rojo I usa USB!

[@kainguerrero6583]

ok, pero usted cree que el resetter si me funcionará para que mis cartuchos originales funcionen cuando haga el refil, no cree que vaya a tener problemas de region, que me recomienda.

[@cheo1949]

Si! El resetter es para resetear los cartuchos PGI-29 originales.

[@bigbeartn]

On the pro 10 does it do a purge on the one cart i take out and refill or all of them wasting ink on the other carts as well?

[@cheo1949]

ALl carts are purged every time you change just one cart. I always have two sets of carts filled. reset and at the ready. As soon as one of my PGI-72 carts is empty I replace the complete set. Then it runs one single purge instead of after changing one cart at a time which can be every few days. The Domino Effect! After a complete change I can print for a few weeks before I again have an empty cart.

[@bigbeartn]

Ty for the quick reply...those pgi-72 empty carts are a pain to find lol..Guess i will have to refill all the carts when the one gets low... Will mixing precision ink in mess with the oem that is in them all ready? Thanks for your help..

[@cheo1949]

They are rare because people are hoarding them. I've found one set and one set was given to me by a viewer who does not refill. No problem mixing OEM with PC. You will see some slight changes in color as you progress to FULL PC inks. Happens with ANY ink set you start integrating into a complete OEM workflow. Custom Profiling solves that and PC provides Free profiles in 5 different modes for many common papers.

[@kainguerrero6583]

ok, el de octoinkjet donde lo puedo conseguir o usted me puede mandar el enlace o los que me mando cree que sirvan para mi region, las tintas que encontre en Mexico son a vase agua no son pigmentadas no importa eso verdad o tengo que hacerle un lavado a mis cartuchos originales.

[@cheo1949]

Amigo. Me estas volviendo loco! Octoinkjet envia mercancia a cualquier paiz. Tanbien venden las tintas.

[@seamydobbsno1]

Hi Jose. Im having trouble sourcing empty carts for the pro-10. Can you advise a protocol if I was to Purchase two full OEM Sets on initial purchase with the pro 10?? Im holding of on the purchase until I know exactly what materials i can source. Always enjoy your videos!

[@cheo1949]

Yes but an extra set and replace each empty cart one at a time. Mean while reset and fill each empty cart until all 10 have been filled. The next time replace all 10 at once from now on. Reset all ten and top them off as needed.

[@seamydobbsno1]

@@cheo1949 Great. Thanks for you help, much appreciated, I've just ordered my Pro-10s with the additional set of OEM Carts. Ive also ordered my set of PC Inks. Cant wait to get going!!

[@YK-wz4qx]

Hi Jose, I'm trying to think of a way to refill PGI-72 carts with OEM inks, that would make sense for us who would like to do it but do not have access to used PGI-29. After watching this video and the "How to Extract Ink from Surplus CANON PRO 1 PGI 29 Carts and them use them for your PRO-10 Carts" I wonder if it would make sense to buy brand-new OEM PGI-29 cartridges for refilling the PGI-72. For sure, having two complete sets of PGI-72 cartridges and replacing them when one shows "low" or "empty" would save purge cycles, thus wasted ink (and of course add to the longevity of the printer). Given the capacity of the PGI-29 compared to 14 ml of the PGI-72, there is already a discount of 16% (based on US retail prices, for instance from B&H). It seems like a win/win to me (less purge cycles and price discount) but your thoughts and feedback would be greatly appreciated, as always.

[@cheo1949]

The PGI-29 are 39ml and yes you could use those to refill your PGI-72s. Would not he too economical way to do unless you must print with OEM. You could use that method and then sell the empty PGI-29s on eBay as you can get about $2-3 each If I didn't have that source for PRO-1 carts I would just use the new PC Signature Edition inks plus OEM red on my PRO-10 and PRO-1 as the results are as good as I have ever seen. For the PRO-1000 I will refill my carts with ink from 700ml OEM ink carts from the Canon PRO-2000 / 4000 which you can get for $225 a piece including free shipping to the USA. The inks are the same for some of the colors for the PRO-10 / 1 but some colors are not exactly the same. We are working on that and so far we know the magenta is a bit less dense and slightly different viscosity than the same for the PRO-10/1. We are doing a ton of behind the scenes research to figure a lot of this out. As for me I will be using them for the PRO-1000 and PC Sig Edition plus OEM red for my PRO-10 / 1.

[@YK-wz4qx]

You are a treasure. Thank you for providing all these options and their documentation.

[@cheo1949]

The web site for OEM 700ml carts is on my video descriptions "Show More" I would recommend you get a Chroma Optimizer as this is the most used of the inks for these CANON Printers. It will save you a bundle. As I learn which other colors are a match to PRO-10 I will let everyone know.

[@YK-wz4qx]

I just got the link and it does make a lot of sense at this price and given the thirst for Chroma Optimizer. Question: Did you upload already a tutorial/how-to extract ink from the 700ml carts that I missed, or you are working on it? Again, KUDOS Jose. It's hard to believe that you keep answering to every single question of your viewers, and also how fast you do it!

[@cheo1949]

That will come soon. I first have to figure out which of the two ports is the ink exit and which is the venting port. That plus finding a tip that will not only fit but securely depress the poppet valve if it uses one. At the very worst I might have to "heat drill" a pair of small holes ( heat a metal stylus and melt a hole on the rear - no danger of drill plastic chips generated ) on the rear and pour out the ink into several smaller clean bottles. I would prefer some less invasive aspiration method.

[@rayharmonphotography8291]

Hi José. I know you recommend Precision Colors as you have tested these yourself and I was getting ready to do some research on them and shipping to Ireland. Then you mentioned OctoInkjet in the UK which might be easier for me to order from. I was just wondering if you have ever tested their inks or know anyone who has used their ink? And would you recommend them or would I be better sticking with Precision Colors? Thanks in advance 👍

[@cheo1949]

I have not. And I can not really report on them. basically they are from the USA Image Specialists company now owned by someone else. WHat you need to understand and we talked about this thoroughly last night during the live stream with PC owner Michael Lee. He spends months and runs hundreds of test prints going back and forth with the ink labs until he reaches the best match to OEM color reproduction. Other companies sell what they receive and just tells you to have a custom profile made to make up for the inaccuracies!

[@rayharmonphotography8291]

Jose Rodriguez Thanks José. Think I will stick with Precision Colors so as I trust your judgement 👍

[@kainguerrero6583]

Que gusto saver que si podre hacer funcionar mi impresora de esta manera, usted podría ayudarme a conseguir el Redsetter para la PRO-10, un estimado de precio, o si usted me lo podria vender y cual sería el costo. me disculpo por tantas molestias que le he ocasionado gracias

[@cheo1949]

Los dos primeros resetter aqui! Prefiero el de octoinkjet. ESE es el que yo uso! www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XPGI-72+chip+resetter.TRS0&_nkw=PGI-72+chip+resetter&_sacat=0

[@Rivij]

Wow lol, I'm going to purchase the precision colors set for my Canon Pro 10, but this seems a bit redundant, especially after 10 carts. I really wish Canon would had made it easier. I actually think the process for the Pro 100 and Pro 10 is easier with the drilling, because once you had done it once, it seems as though the process is easier after that. So to be clear for this method with the Pixma Pro 10, there is no drilling, only dripping and with that the carts must be completely empty before the process is over? Thanks again you channel is awesome Jose.

[@cheo1949]

Yes. Just drip drip drip until you reach 32-33 grams total weight for the bare filled cart..

[@mariocastaneda4212]

hola cual es la marca de la tinta que usas?

[@cheo1949]

+Mario castañeda para esta demostracion use la tinta original que le saque a los cartuchos de PGI-29! So no uso las de precisioncolors.com

[@heartmanable]

Where do you buy your ink from ?

[@cheo1949]

www.precisioncolors.com

[@kainguerrero6583]

Gracias por su tiempo, disculpe mi impresora es una canon pixma pro 10 y lleva cartuchos PGI-72 tengo los 10 originales el resetter si funcionará, por que no entiendo a que se refiere con PGI-29, si no es molestia ya le mande mensaje privado a Jtoolman Rodriguez por facebook pero aun no tengo respuesta, por ese medio me gustaria mandarle imagenes para que me diera una opinion mas concreta, imagino que es una persona ocupada y le agradezco sus atenciones.

[@cheo1949]

Disculpeme. Fue mi error! Me referia a los PGI-72s si se pueden resetear I rellenar para reusarlos con perfectos resultados. Tiene que usar el RedSetter para La PRO-10. Ningun otro resetter funciona.

[@kainguerrero6583]

Muchas gracias, lo sigo en el facebook ya le mande invitacion y tambien le mande inbox, por favor ascepteme y le mando mas informacion. Por ultimo, tengo los cartuchos originales tambien, usted cree que si los lleno de tinta y compro el reseteador me funcione nuevamente?, lo que quiero decir es que si el resetteador sea compatible a la zona mundial donde estoy (Mexico DF)

[@cheo1949]

Lo mejor son lot originales. Bota los compatibles.

[@cheo1949]

We me olvido decirle, el resetter funciona perfecto con los originales. Es lo que uso al presente.

[@kainguerrero6583]

Jose is great I want to get the orange device to reset my cartridges, a question you could help me to get it I am from Mexico, and I have three cartridge games that I buy in whouston on ebay, but they did not work they are incompatible, you will have facebook to send you one sample of my cartridges, I do not know what to do, I have already spent and I would like the assistance of a master in printers like you. thanks and best regards

[@cheo1949]

No entiendo lo que deseas. Necesitas el resetter? Estas ablando de la Impresora Canon PRO-100?

[@kainguerrero6583]

Gracias por escribir, hace tiempo compre unos cartuchos en ebay para canon pixma pro-10 pero al colocarlos no me funcionaron los 10 cartuchos se quedaron en rojo, yo pienso que talvez con el resetter podrian funcionar, o si comprando el reseter puedo rellenar los cartuchos originales asi como usted y pasarlos por el resetter para que funcionen nuevamente. gracias por su atencion de todas formas le dejo mi face para poder mandarle informacion adicional como fotos de los cartuchos o video de mi impresora. facebook: Kain Guerrero

[@philindeblanc]

Cant you break one open and see where the insert hole is and just insert and fill? This is painfully slow!

[@cheo1949]

There is NO "hole" to insert ink to. The external sponge or exit port leads directly to the ink bag. You can use the Adapter that I use in the PRO-9500MKII video and directly with a syringe but, normally it takes me about 30 seconds to refill on of these carts. I did it slow in the video so you could clearly see what to do. So no it is not Painfully Slow. Besides what's the hurry anyway.

[@philindeblanc]

Jose Rodriguez thanks for clarifying. I guess your have a good point. It's not like I'll be doing all 10 inks at the same time that often

[@cheo1949]

Right. However, remember that I always have two sets of carts. On in the printer and a second one that I reset and top off at my pleasure. So refilling them is not an issue.

[@philindeblanc]

Jose Rodriguez Would you be comfortable selling prints as fine art prints to people using PrecisionColor ink prints? Anything one should consider?

[@cheo1949]

I would not sell anything printed with any ink that was not OEM, unless you state that in the sale. Buyers expect they are getting the best printed with the best inks and papers. That's is my philosophy. You could charge accordingly of course but you would absolutely would need cover your butt by stating what the required display conditions would be to extend the life of the print the maximum possible. Specially is you eell printws done with any third party carts inks.

[@kainguerrero6583]

Muchas gracias por tu atencion amigo y disculpa tantas molestias, me pondre en contacto con Octoinkjet para seguirme asesorando y una ves mas gracias por tus finas atenciones

[@bluedemon440]

deberias vender ya listos para llenarse

[@cheo1949]

Ecepto los caftuchos siempre estan listos. No tienes que hacer Nada.

[@kainguerrero6583]

Gracias por escribir, hace tiempo compre unos cartuchos en ebay para canon pixma pro-10 pero al colocarlos no me funcionaron los 10 cartuchos se quedaron en rojo, yo pienso que talvez con el resetter podrian funcionar, o si comprando el reseter puedo rellenar los cartuchos originales asi como usted y pasarlos por el resetter para que funcionen nuevamente. gracias por su atencion de todas formas le dejo mi face para poder mandarle informacion adicional como fotos de los cartuchos o video de mi impresora. facebook: Kain Guerrero

[@cheo1949]

Puede que los cartuchos no son para su PRO-10 porque que sean para otra zona mundial. Asi es. Resetear los chip no le va ayudar si es eso. pero la unica forma es tratarlo. Oh funciona o no. Mira si qieres aunce es en ingles, aste miembro de nuestro Facebook Grupo Aqui Mismo! facebook.com/groups/1915547415436501/?source=create_flow

[@bunke1]

I ;found it sorry

[@cheo1949]

That little adapter is brilliant, isn't it? It makes the refilling process a breeze.