Chess.com’s Chief Chess Officer on Kramnik, cheating, money in chess and « zagovorah »

[@dirkcallaway]

Levitov: "I don't care about statistics".. um, well then I guess you have nothing interesting to say about cheating then.

[@Larbez]

Kramnik prepared against Jospem for his offline match. He wasn't prepared in his online games. This alone should make a massive difference in score.

[@TheRealMissingLink]

1000%

[@immanitodeplomo]

??? you can say the same abaout any players, but BOTH have the same time to prepare for this match. not only kramink

[@hugovaillant6839]

not only, playing OTB is VERY different from online chess, furthermore TT is 3+1. which Kramnik did not accept, playing with 3+2, and the face to face OTB was 5+2, and in spite of that Jospem won the first match. You can only understand the prior considerations if you played both online chess and OTB with a rating roughly equal or aboveabove 2000

[@GaaikeEuwema]

It become very clear (at least in my opinion) the reason for his online dominance was the time control.. it was very obvious kramnik couldn't survive a single game when low on time...

[@zfeazcesd1047]

Playing against someone you think is cheating versus playing that same player in a setting you think he is not ALONE would explain the differing results. Every single GM agrees that you play differently against someone you think is cheating.

[@Chess_venomenon]

Kramnik will find this interview very interesting.

[@carlmagnussen7773]

Why is it that Israelis doesn't think that Mexicans can play chess? I count four now, Why?

[@Xyikz]

Kramnik is just an internet bully.

[@ethan073]

I feel Kramnik has crossed many ethical lines, with increasing seriousness, over the last year. It is reassuring in a small way to hear Danny’s overall opinion on this is so similar to my own. With Kramnik’s latest words toward Naroditsky, I believe an ethics complaint should be filed against him with FIDE.

[@TheRealMissingLink]

"I believe in feelings more than statistics." - Levitov

[@MAF-08]

He is so dumb, nothing gets through his brainrot. He couldnt engage with anything. :D

[@craigrathe2469]

This interview was incredible, BTW. Both sides open and honest, no BS. I encourage people to listen to the entire thing.

[@PDSeverus]

Kramnik is being very irresponsible. If it is a fide tournament then Kramnik should complain to them or whichever appropriate authority there is ,but doing detective work with eyeball movements and the like is just irresponsible. All of these allegations are followed by an invitation to play him - Why ? .He should start playing fide rated tournaments and then complain about cheating." to FIDE. I classify this as indirect bullying-If you beat me I will call you a cheater . If you don't play me -I will force you to play me otherwise you are a cheater. Alternatively he could devise an alternative rating system of his own named something like K-ELO 🤷

[@TheAlleycat0909]

"jospem barely survives offline" vs Kramnik. what is he talking about. Jospem won the offline match.

[@seppecena]

He lost the second

[@TheDustAutumn]

He lost the second. After they switched platforms btw

[@РусланРуслан-ф7ь]

Это интервью имеет слишком мало просмотров для уровня контента. Спасибо каналу за такие классные выпуски!

[@VARMOT123]

Add timestamps please

[@KasparOne]

Ютуб, почему этого интервью нет в моих рекомендациях? Это что - заговор? Я звоню Владимиру..🎉

[@TheJimmiececil]

The Rapid Chess Championship time controls were f'd. What other rapid tournament has a 10 minute time control?

[@Chess-Talker]

The cheating is not just the top players, at the lower levels it is absolutely rampant because it is trivially easy and many players just want to raise their rating, for whatever reason and via whatever method.

[@dzukaev]

Посмотрю в разборе Крамника 😃

[@ilyav6971]

На 39:55 неправильные субтитры, гость сказал "circles (обводит) Danya's accuracy score against Aronyan"

[@ethan073]

1:16:00 a brainstorming meeting around this topic is a good idea

[@quarterplay3675]

That looks like a 16 oz. cup which is 2 cups-

[@AthosRac]

Some chapters will help!

[@TheMrInfantaria]

Levitov, prepare to be accused of cheating by kramnik after this interview. You looked to the sides pretty often. Danny even more so

[@JustinMurray170fin]

Excellent. I always love hearing from Danny Rensch. There should also be no understating of what he & his team have done & continue to do, for the frustratingly beautiful game of chess.

[@JanisNisii]

Danny (and almost every American) should learn how to talk with non Americans. He uses many idioms or figurative speech or plain slang. I'm pretty sure a lot of what he said got lost to ESL viewers and the host himself because of that. For example he kept on saying "getting eyeballs" and similar expressions with friggin' eyeballs. Can't you say people who watch something or read something? I think that the ability to communicate within an international context is crucial in his position and for the goals he wants to achieve.

[@thetunapeckerblues]

"I think it's not personal"... so that makes it not personal? This guy is biased.

[@tschakatschada]

The feeling comment is kind of insane. What do you mean feelings are more important and believable?

[@worldcesar]

Detecting online chess cheating is nearly impossible, in fact. A player can choose the third or fourth suggestion from the computer instead of the first one and still win the game because computers have become much better than humans. Unfortunately, I don't see a solution at this moment.

[@GaaikeEuwema]

That should be possible to detect, with the right algorithm. what is difficult to detect is a really good player just cheating a single move in a game..

[@worldcesar]

​@@GaaikeEuwemaI don’t believe so. If you choose a software that isn’t as strong as Stockfish to assist you, even a version from 25 years ago, and avoid selecting the top suggestions, you will most likely win the game, and detection systems will report that the accuracy was far below what could be considered computer assistance. Computers from 1997 already started beating world champions, and today's software no longer considers those moves from 1997 as the best ones. In other words, detecting a skilled cheater through algorithms is impossible.

[@joannalewis5279]

What's your ELO 😅

[@endymion12321]

"Statistics are wrong"..... What? . Either this guy is dumb, or arguing in bad faith

[@MultiJessy31]

Kramnik is why at least 70 percent of chess players have the idea their heads that everyone cheats. He is why probably 20 percent of those cheaters cheat. It's really gross. Kramnik is what is wrong with the internet today, screaming about things without evidence. Just happy to ensconce himself in his own worldview and alternative facts.

[@ianrust3785]

No, the reason is such people generally suck at chess and need a way to cope. Kramnik has made it worse but it's been there a long time.

[@realbeetlejuice]

R.I.P to Danny's hairline, but it's still holding on....

[@mime4331]

No arguments - turn to personality?

[@nomoreblitz]

RIP Rensch's credibility/trustworthiness

[@mime4331]

@@nomoreblitznonsense. RIP Kramnik's credibility. Liar and ignorant person.

[@nomoreblitz]

@@mime4331 well, Kramnik is crazy. Rensch is dishonorable.

[@mime4331]

Why is Rensch dishonorable?

[@lollycopter]

That was an interesting listen but holy moly it was tedious.

[@alejandroortizmejia9895]

24:02 It's the chess mafia 😅

[@cwjalexx]

57:07 did danny just say that he and robert hess were in the closet in 2018?

[@tommyleblanc3207]

its a fine day to play game. OTB

[@immanitodeplomo]

OTB is poinlesst the money is to low. world blitz can be ok but 1 of the years ????? we want play all the week, OTB rip.

[@bjorneriksson6480]

is there anything interesting said?

[@thomasbolsee]

47:30 Statistics are never wrong because statistics don't claim anything. PEOPLE make claims based on statistical observations, but it has to go through some kind of reasoning, and this is the part where things can be "wrong". We aren't suggesting that Kramnik is providing wrong statistics, but rather that the way he uses these statistics to support his claims is deceptive because his reasoning is always biased and flawed.

[@Grandcapi]

Statistics= if I eat a whole chicken and you don't, then we had half a chicken each.

[@lendamusic]

Great interview! Danny is awesome and hope Kramnik will work in favor of chess instead of accusing everyone disrespectfully

[@mariuszmonczak5365]

The chess Kom needs more competition on its own. Then they will work better to fight the cheaters. They can not admit that the cheating is so scandalous on their website. It is bad business for them to admit that. Example: a few minutes ago a played a game with 1200 on their website. He won convincing. Attacking me left and right, sacrificing pieces etc. I am 2150. Then I play a guy who is 1400 and he is giving away free pieces left and right, which is normal for their level of playing to give free pieces away. We need a new website to play chess. Maybe Kramnik or Kasparov or Anand can team up with some rich people to do a better job.

[@adomaskuzinas2137]

Hopeful fallacy! The problem is not within the platform, it is within the people using it. As long as you have humans competing there is gonna be cheating and other tries to get unfair advantages. Its like saying we should get some new rich people to control the drug problem. Well ive got bad news for you - we humans are (so far) imperfect and no matter what you do, there is gonna be evil and suffering out there! Also, forced restrictions arent the way, they usually achieve the opposite effect in the long run. The best way is education, teaching moral values at a young age and finding ways to keep them throughout.

[@mime4331]

LOL Kramnik made up the whole comedy show. Levitov: "Statistics was wrong many times, I trust feelings more" LOL And how many times the feelings were wrong compared with stats? Rightfully Rensch said "We compare apples to feelings"👍

[@weevil601]

Statistics are useless against smart cheaters. That's the problem.

[@Crashawsome]

This guy seemed fairly smart at the beginning, but he's just another apologist for Kramnik

[@Crashawsome]

@@weevil601 Some statistics are useless against smart cheaters. Do better.

[@travisrinehart]

This line had me dying. Oh you trust your feelings more than numbers? Yeah think we found the problem.

[@weevil601]

@@Crashawsome If a player takes a peek at the evaluation bar once or twice a game (without looking at any engine moves), there is no statistic that will catch him, and yet he would be cheating. If he gets some kind of signal that tells him his opponent just made a weak move, that would be almost as good as getting an engine move, especially for an already strong player, but there is no statistic that will reveal this. The cheater would still have to find the right plan on his own, but just knowing there IS a good plan available would improve his play measurably. The problem is that this improvement would be indistinguishable from the improvement he might get from studying more, or just having a good game more frequently. He would still lose or draw games, just not as frequently. It's the same reason you're able to find combinations in puzzles much more successfully than you can in games. You know it's there and you keep working at it until you find something. Of course, sometimes you're wrong and your puzzle solution is incorrect, and that would happen in games, too, even if you got a signal telling you that something is there. But you would find the solution often enough that it would make a difference in your results. The stronger you already are, the bigger the difference such an approach could make. For somebody like Magnus, he could become practically unbeatable with one eval bar hint per game. Such a cheater would still be playing his own moves. The statistical needle would barely jiggle, and yet he would still be cheating. He would forever be under the radar.

[@EugeniFeudorov]

Поставил кружку в кадр ради американца. Самим не стыдно? Какой же … 🙈

[@johnelias4175]

School Director

[@VARMOT123]

Don't look up is a great reference

[@6919494]

It's amazing how Kramnik, who was caught violating the platform's rules while playing in a money tournament - which, by Kramnik's own words, amounts to a criminal offense - can discuss cheaters and give any sort of evaluations. The fact that he didn't end up in the prizes in those tournaments where he used another GM profile doesn't mean he didn't prevent another player from getting prizes, which means he affected the outcome of a TT tournament. Essentially, Kramnik is an exposed cheater who got offended when he was exposed by the player he himself called a cheater. This is surreal.

[@mime4331]

Kramnik has got super inflated Ego. He never admits being wrong and always applies double standards. All his proofs are "believe me, I know".

[@weevil601]

What exactly did he do? Your post makes it sound like he played normally but under another name so that his opponents didn't know who they were playing. Is that correct? If that's what he did, you're just a liar by calling him a cheater. That isn't cheating.

[@mime4331]

@@weevil601 Amazing logic. So call Kramnik an offender then. He broke the rules that he himself set up. Moreover, he participated in a prize tournament. LOL are you really that thick?

[@Crashawsome]

@@weevil601 He got caught then attacked the whistleblower., a Russian. Are you not aware of this event?

[@weevil601]

@@Crashawsome No, I'm not aware of it.

[@Northseapirate44]

I mean what is more likely Kramnik has an agenda or chess has an agenda

[@petardiranirafali]

story about divisions.. so long the answer.. bulls_ _ t

[@klaskycsupo5810-q3b]

People watch chess because they like chess. Not just a few top players.

[@robertolender2491]

How can somone arrive at a conclusion which immediately falls apart at the first hurdle? Of course big names draw eyeballs. If people 'watch chess because they like chess' then why do SLCC events get 200 viewers and tournaments with Magnus Hikaru Ian Fabi Alireza get 15k viewers?

[@predragnikolic3040]

Kramnik is right.Cheating online is a joke by now, let's try it over the board.

[@Northseapirate44]

It’s like an intense fog of war where everything could be a admission of what is really going on

[@Northseapirate44]

But we all know how corporations work

[@jacobknapp4032]

Interviewer is terrible. Kramnik is an old man upset he got worse at chess. Rensch is too considerate of this nonsense

[@immanitodeplomo]

you can in fact be worse in chess. or in tenis being way young also. no reason to be upset about this.

[@jacobknapp4032]

@@immanitodeplomo tell Vlad and his friend. I am not the one upset, spewing nonsense statistics, spreading silly fears

[@Crashawsome]

"Whenever you listen to him.... it sounds good... maybe he's right. Sorry, guy, you're deluded. That's what people say about Trump when he spreads lies

[@TheGrandmasterMan]

Rensch needs to start with giving the real level of cheating....damn sight more than the 2% he claims in my opinion

[@kamerona]

You know what they say about opinions.....

[@Surreal_Bread]

2% over-performance in TT not cheating on the website, or among good player, amazing how people just dont listen...

[@smmshoe]

So many schills of Danny

[@branislavlazin9285]

Oh, they're 'centrists' and 1 clown's full-blown fascist; great. Otherways amusing conversation.

[@michaelmkpadi5246]

How can you predict people's performances in chess? 😂

[@Surreal_Bread]

Based on hundreds or thousands of games they play. There is an expected deviation between games that is pretty much impossible to follow if cheating.

[@michaelmkpadi5246]

If a player is 12 years old and beats Magnus 10-0, Daniel Rensch says ah this is a chess prodigy so his DNA is fast improving. If same performance beating Magnus 10-0 and player is 32years old Kramnik says must be cheat. Both are deluded and wrong to assume those things. Chess future performances can't be predicted. Historic results can be used to provide rankings but these are not predictions of future performances.

[@petardiranirafali]

he can says that because he is not the free person but puppet officer of chesscom

[@Surreal_Bread]

No one has ever or will ever beat magnus 10-0 in rapid or blitz, maybe hyperbullet stuff like 15" or 30" chess. Just bad example.

[@petardiranirafali]

officer puppet

[@Northseapirate44]

Chess fascism

[@panpan-vz3om]

Vlad's points are valid.