The Difference Between 1400 and 2200 ELO

[@Ryuma_Prime]

The difference between a a strong player vs normal players, stronger players tend to look much better moves for their opponent

[@robinsinghrawat7896]

Ya 👍right

[@nousername5211]

SO TRUE

[@jellymath]

they what

[@WafleEnterprises]

@@jellymathBad grammar but essentially strong players find better moves that the opponent could use than what the opponent actually uses. When the opponent is normal, that is.

[@EndlessEditx]

Bruh that's why they are strong ,

[@brechelt1]

I like this format. I wonder if showing his thought process first would be more instructive. If we see yours first, we kinda have the answers - and when we see his, we're like "that was dumb, man!". BUT, If we see his first, we're going to be like "yea, sure, that makes sense to me" (assuming we're all closer to his rating). But, when we see YOUR commentary, we're like aaaahhhhh.... that's why. And that flow feels more instructive. my 2 cents. Cheers!

[@sinking1902]

Just let him start as white and hear his thoughts first. Move for move.

[@johnwalker1058]

Agreed. I think this format works better when the lower rated player gives their rationale first so then we have a chance to agree or disagree and guess a better move before the stronger player reveals an answer.

[@joesweeney1712]

Great suggestion

[@threethrushes]

@@joesweeney1712 Da wisdom of da crowds, ya feel me dawg?

[@daviddubuis1472]

This is a dreadful idea! This way we hear the 1400 and we're like 'ok yeah that makes sense' then we hear the 2200 and we're like 'oh, ok no i'm dumb'. My ego gets enough of a hit playing chess without getting hit watching chess :D

[@RédaBoumahdi-h8l]

1400: "hey i got a descent attack" 2200: "I m not worried by this" ...

[@krispe2512]

I wanna see an entire series of this. Playing people rated at 50 point increments starting from 1000

[@spectator5144]

would watch this

[@xian2708]

Second this, i wish there was a clear skill set for each 100pt rating range

[@chessamigo]

@krispe2512 that’s a really interesting idea! I might have to try that out and reach out to stronger players. Do you want to play a match against me?

[@AnunayInuganti]

yes please

[@shriduttkothari]

+1

[@joeyspalding4276]

I'm 1100 uscf and I tend to miss pawn moves like when you pushed f4 winning the knight. Interesting to see the themes that apply across different ratings. Great video as usual, love the dual commentary!

[@jaysonwhiteford4531]

1600 and I did the same. Puzzles help with this or adding this to your premove checklist.

[@chessamigo]

@joeyspalding4276 That pawn move was DEADLY. Trust me, I felt it during the match

[@musical_lolu4811]

Because you don't look at ALL the forcing moves and expand your chess realm of possibilities. Every piece is capable of making a forcing move, kings and underpromotions included.

[@TwoHonest]

I love this format please make more of these! 2200 vs 1700 next? I volunteer myself for it lol

[@THEFEZFEZ]

Great content. I would love to see more like this. It's really cool to see you pointing things out and him not realizing it. It really shows the difference in player level.

[@davidf1873]

I really enjoyed seeing the thought process of both players during a game. Hope to see more. Thanks guys.

[@kevinkirk9189]

This is a cool ass concept. I’ve actually never personally watched anything like this. Highly enjoyable as well as instructive. Thanks to you both. I’m about to sub to Jonathan.

[@emranahmed5711]

The main difference is a normal player plays almost all moves relying on intuition not precise calculation.

[@chessamigo]

@emranahmed5711 Even though I’ve played many games, you are correct, I still rely on intuition. I need to practice calculating variations three moves and beyond.

[@mrnobody1546]

​@@chessamigoagree man, i even had to change my time controls to 15+10 cuz i actually had problem with my time if playing 10+0 cuz i was thinking longer for some moves that'll end up me being against time skirmish

[@faznaz7455]

@@chessamigoYour resourcefulness was impressive however you needed the backing of tactical depth if you were to create any serious problems for your opponent (one example is reserving Rd7 at 23:27 and playing Qb5 with Qf1 perpetual threat). Despite being down a piece you put up good resistance, well done.

[@chessamigo]

@@Wibgloria Agree. I don't do any opening prep, but plan on doing so this year. I just haven't seen as many things.

[@rojavida]

Great idea absolutely love the concept. I’m sure you’ll be able to sort the audio disparity in future videos.

[@Gustaw_Chiny]

That was such a good content, please make a series like this

[@massi8586]

amazing format, really enjoyed that one!

[@kritisundur]

15:02 his reaction when got forked king and rook 😂😂😂😂

[@chessamigo]

@kritisundur My reactions while playing chess can be quite something 😂

[@bloodpriest1302]

Magnus wudve finished 10 games by the time they finish calculating

[@jsparkling886]

so what?@@bloodpriest1302

[@55deepak555]

😂😂

[@tracychesire1323]

I cant stop repeating it😂😂😂

[@royteicher]

Cool new concept Nelson!

[@rundmw]

Agreed. Very useful to hear both sides.

[@QDWhite]

Agreed. I’d love to see more of this.

[@chessamigo]

Any of y’all want to play some chess matches?

[@robertoblanco8750]

i am a 1700 to

[@guylee0]

ChessAmigo is awesome! His reactions are genuinely funny and he actually is pretty good. If he sticks with it, he's going to be a good player. Loved this video

[@ilovepalitaw]

omg this helps me so much. u are already, alone, a SUPER good chess instructor. i get ur ideas and its slow and actually digestable. u take us through ur ideas bit by bit and i love it so much. & this format is so good because u can point out blunders/mistakes and also suggest better moves from time to time and its just so nice to see both of the player's ideas

[@userac-xpg]

This whole game went bad because he failed to play h5. I never let my opponent push h4-h5 if I can stop it with h7-h5

[@roqsteady5290]

Right, but h5 also creates a weakness that white can exploit with g4. So it is also essential for black to create counter play by striking in the centre. Doesnt make sense to play an aggressive opening like the Pirc and then play defensively.

[@brunorenan4769]

I think the right thing to do would've to just let him take it, then you take it back with the f pawn, this way you don't damage your structure beyond help(like you can still castle that way) and you get one extra move to develop a piece or do something else which could help you gain some advantage.

[@Jivvi]

6:22 I might have played Nf2 in this position. You cant take the other knight because then you lose your queen. If you save your queen, you lose the exchange. Only other option is to take with the king and then you can't castle.

[@reamie]

very interesting type of content/concept. Was so glad when you went for the rook fork, i was seing that a couple moves in advance and thought it looked neat. A bit surprised he didnt see that at 1400 but then again it's always so much easier to spectate as well as seing the moves from an attacking perspective.

[@1964CJW]

Do lots more of these. What a terrific learning tool. Kudos

[@Hossein13M]

This video is excellent! Please share more content like this, Nelson!

[@xReisk]

Man these ones are pretty good! Im so happy to have found your channel, it really shows a lot of the technique behind chess. Thanks for your work! 🙏

[@rankassovitz5197]

Other than being a great Chess teacher, Nelson is also a very creative and thoughtful content creator.

[@AnthonyDo]

I think you have potential to do something special here. An entire series of this would take off.

[@Whispersfromtheshadows_]

Seeing boths thought process was a great idea. Please do more of this 🧠

[@melvin306]

Love this video. You normally only get to watch videos for a particular level, but to actually see the thought process side by side of separate ratings offer a good insight into the different mindsets. The opponent was never thinking too far in the future, but Nelson carefully thought out every possible move, including what would potentially happen as a result.

[@wizzard929]

This is great content! This was super helpful and entertaining. Props to your Opponent for playing very resilient. I would love to see more of this.

[@BobbyRunout]

At first I mixed up who was the NM and who was the 1400 and I was VERY confused because the 1400 seemed to have a way more coherent and detailed understanding of the position. But yeah, great video. I think this is a great approach for coaches to use in training. Have your student record their thought process live during the game, do the same, then analyze & compare together after.

[@MinotaurvsCyclops]

Lol, how did the 1400 seem to have a more detailed understanding?

[@BobbyRunout]

@@MinotaurvsCyclops the person i initially thought was the 1400 based on the thumbnail was the NM

[@tobiass3540]

Hey man. I was wondering if you would consider making a video about how to effectively learn to convert winning positions with equal material. Can't find any good videos about that. I'm an adult improver, playing since 4 years and am rated around 1800 FIDE. In classical OTB games I would often have great positions in the middle game against higher rated players. Often something like +3 or +4 according to the engine, while having equal material. but then I usually struggle to convert that advantage. I started working on my calculation/visualization by looking at similiar positions with winning combinations from GM games and it did help a little bit, but I was wondering what else I could do to get better at this specific thing. Would be cool, if you would consider doing a video on that topic one day. Anyway, thanks for all the content. Really like your channel, lots of dense information and really helpful content. Keep it up and all the best!

[@jaysonwhiteford4531]

Great video and this answers a question that most 1400-1600 players ask themselves frequently 👍👍👍

[@kedbreak136]

Great format and very instructive to see the difference in attention to looking for all moves and checking there are no tactics, etc. It’s one thing to hear about it, but witnessing it in this context makes it more real for some reason.

[@carlosraventosprieto2065]

This was a VERY INTERESTING video! I totally loved it. I hope you do more of this kind

[@mafffaa]

Very interesting video concept, please do more of these! Its interesting to see the different thoughts and strategies between different levels. Just subscribed :)

[@Leothegoat13]

Loved the format! I was thinking of wanting to find something like this cuz it fascinated me to think of how different minds think about the same position and how to go about it.

[@chrisworldglobalnetwork9047]

Long time watcher of this channel content but now subscriber because of this video. I think Nelson is on to something original & instructive here. Hope we get to see a lot more content like this with different ratings. I think seeing some post game commentary on his opponents thought process would be instructive as well.

[@Otzkar]

"surely it doesnt matter what knight we take with" top 10 anime moments shortly before disaster

[@AYouTubeUser1]

@7:45 I can verify that as a 1400 player myself, when he moved the Queen, he wasn’t aware that the knight was now defended by her.

[@maximos905]

This is like watching a well directed movie about a situation experienced through the POVs of opposing characters

[@martinmar148]

Great format! I would love some more of this.

[@jammingboss]

As a 1850 player, that was so fun to watch. I felt like my though process were exactly in the middle of theirs

[@dharmavarta]

Lot of candidates and for each one full calculation till quiescence. That will make you 2200.big thanks.

[@raghavaramanr1657]

Let me be honest, i resemble Jonathan in certain things - the way he was so cautious in losing pawns is something even I'm not comfortable at Definitely shows that even 1400s miss simple remove the defender tactic, even i might have blundered that.. But obviously he has improved since last year And i think the result wouldnt have been in doubt, still an instructive game to him and all other learners Was really looking forward to seeing Jonathan after a year and he did not disappoint!

[@videobyshannon]

This needs to be a regular thing! I'd even like the live stream details and become a subscriber.

[@yashkhetan4131]

Me watching this with 100 elo 🤧

[@isabellam1936]

This is so original. I love this. I wish more people would do this video idea

[@Short-and-Snappy-Comedy]

I really like this video. This was really helpful

[@codekeeper32]

This is awesome! I would love to see more of these!

[@fantomghost6213]

That was great. Please do some more of these types of videos!

[@EmilSilva]

A great series this is.... keep it up Nelson!

[@dpc104]

great concept for a video, really enjoyed that

[@christianfrost8660]

What a fun video. Would love to see more like this.

[@Diskno]

Pawn moves are some of the hardest to see. As a player sitting somewhere around Jonathan’s rating, I spend a lot of time looking for those bigger moves that I miss the simple ones

[@kenadams3513]

That was really enjoyable. A novel idea to view the same game from different eyes

[@VRgoof]

Nelson: [actually thinks] Jonathan: "Wait, what?!"

[@sergeimashkov2022]

Now i got it why I couldn't hear the opponent. He was in the left earphone, and I only have the right one functioning now.

[@pathofchoicelessawareness]

Excellent idea!!! Bravoooo! I would love to see many more of these!

[@ArranVid]

Jonathan actually sees a lot of attacking opportunities, which is impressive. Like Nelson said, it was close but Jonathan's early blunder is what caused the big problem for him, blundering is more common in up to the 1600s in ELO. The 2000 plus in ELO make less blunders. Also, it is clear to see to me that Nelson had more tactical awareness and he had better calculation, so that gave him an advantage. But both Jonathan and Nelson missed things, which surprised me...especially for a great player like Nelson. For example, Jonathan noticed that the queen attack by Nelson would mean that a pawn was in trouble, but Nelson never mentioned it...small things like that. But then again, Nelson realized that taking the pawn on the far right would mean that his bishop would get trapped (a mistake that Bobby Fischer once did in his world championship match with Boris Spassky) yet Jonathan didn't realize that taking that if Nelson's bishop attacked that pawn then Nelson's bishop would get trapped. I admit that I didn't see the trap either. And Nelson admits that he didn't see the rook pin but Jonathan saw it, so it was closer in chess thinking than I thought it would be and it was very interesting. Well played to you both, that was a very interesting and good game.

[@jeffpowers2385]

Such a good format. Very instructive. Well done!

[@TriangleEmpire-sc2ye]

His a7 pawn was never hanging as he can trap the bishop with b6 after bishop takes pawn very good video 👍 He actually ends up saying that in the vudeo later on

[@tl107]

At 7:00 best move for black was knight to F2. King would have to take it and won't be able to castle anymore.

[@christiaanoosterveen8528]

It is great to see him anticipating and doing moves that were not expected. Usually you have the feeling that 2,200 do see everything, but they clearly don't. Other big take-away: anticipating with 3+ moves vs direct game.

[@BatSweatshirt]

This is a really cool video format you should do more of these

[@glennhustler9537]

I love how this has been done. informative and classy

[@alanrouse1]

At 7:00, Ng4 to f2 forking the queen and rook. King takes (Or move queen and lose rook). Then save the other knight (e5 to c4 maybe?). If you're going to lose a knight, preventing castling is at least something in exchange.

[@AirBornMedia]

Nice, would like to see more of these 👍

[@pj6366]

Love this format!! My son and I actually wanted to try this live over the board but never really did it - too many mind games would happen.

[@louvoodoo]

I love these style of videos, thank you for making me a better thinker in Chess!

[@ross-spencer]

Another great video concept!

[@SoulHuN7eR]

Seriously how is he a 1,4k. 😅 I don't know if Americans get better matchups or what but me playing from Greece I always get Indian opponents which play way better that him.

[@qazzaqstan]

A slightly longer time control would also be interesting or even a friendly game with take backs, because here it was he just didn't calculate a tactic and the game was mostly over at that point. While in many ways far less important at the 1400 level given games are decided by dropping pieces and pawns the bigger difference is almost definitely when it comes to positional understanding and strategic play where you'll have extremely different things to say than he does.

[@mwatkins0590]

if you like this format of people talking their thoughts through their moves separate from their opponents, there was an older BBC show that you will really like that has many episodes uploaded to youtube called The Master Game.

[@synaestheziac]

Awesome video, please do more of these!

[@dmonkush4447]

6:58 What about a fun move like gNf2. Puts pressure on the queen. Has to recapture with the king and can no longer castle.

[@jonnyboom5993]

ChessAmigo obviously hasn't watched GM Igor Smirnov's channel. Or he ignores "To take is a mistake."

[@TheAmanov]

Rxh7 move was sick, ended the game right away, powerful, simple, classy.

[@bysebastiaan3106]

cool format and props to both!

[@aliyildiz3909]

What was the brilliant move?

[@QwDragon]

Just got I'm watching your channel for more than an year :)

[@mikegelder2538]

This was a really good video...hoping for more like this

[@Namadadi_iddi]

"I could do just nothing "😂 that os most cases my thought process too😂😂😂

[@Freddiechavira]

What a brilliant concept!!

[@2253frank]

Extremely useful to see somebody make the mistakes I could make. Please more of this!

[@SparrowKnightx]

This is a really cool series idea

[@jaybingham3711]

This is an excellent format. Very informative. With this game in the bag as a baseline, it offers a good opportunity to explore differences in time control. Try a 15+10 game and see if it noticeably improves his game play. Also, Nelson could agree to a tighter control and manually track it (maybe agreeing to not ever go below 10m on clock).

[@RainizLove]

That pawn miss click almost get brilliant in how it turned out for him. 😂

[@stuartmontgomery5935]

On 22:56 was black queen to C3 not a good move no 1 talk about it It was hit the castle and the bishop and his pawn on A5 so He would got a piece back or am I missing something????

[@TheBfitzpatrick]

It would have left the rook on d5 undefended

[@riddickerickson9897]

I’m seeing the difference between the 2 is that a 2400 looks at 5+ moves per turn and also develops lanes and angles. As where the 1400 only does an average of 2

[@rorywade590]

Very enjoyable to observe. Please do this again

[@steveshuffle]

this is SUCH GOOD content... please more of this!!

[@aryanghose286]

This was a great video!! hope you can do videos on a similar line as this

[@TheXLAXLimpLungs]

Interesting, after moving the queen realizing the knight was lost, he thought he had to take back with the knight or hed be losing material, not realizing when he moved to open up the castle that it simultaneously defended the knight. He could have taken with bishop but either didnt see it or didnt see the knight defended.

[@sahilrijwani]

@4:35 what was stopping black from taking that bishop with his knight? If the rook had recaptured it, he could've simply then play bg5 and he's either getting a rook or a queen

[@rosco7159]

Loving this different ratings format 👍🏻. Insightful.

[@harveyloveall7066]

Loved it. What a great idea!

[@andresperedo1275]

When both black knights were under attack at the same time, was an option for black to move the forward knight to f2, forcing white to take with the king leaving it quite exposed? Or that is not worth for some reason?

[@jaivanttitus]

7:07 yes it gets the kings castling rights, but black has no development so not really worth it.

[@nadirqg]

Can you make sure the audio is in stereo mode for the next times? It's kinda disturbing. Good concept overall I like this one

[@jesusguillen5054]

This was a great exercise. I would definitely watch more content like this.

[@xEffecTzZvideos]

at minute 17:22 wouldnt it be a nice move for black to move the e pawn 2 ahead to attack the bishop? it is triple guarded and would force the white queen to babysit the hanging pawn again

[@penknight8532]

I'm around a 1400 player and I can absolutely tell you what the big differences are. 1. Higher Rated Players actually have a plan and understand the plan. (I rarely have a plan and do not understand the actual concept.) 2. Higher Rated Players have a super strong End Game and understand End Game Principles. (I do not) 3. Higher Rated Players understand more opening theory and traps. (I do not) 4. Etc. Etc... I could give more examples but these three are worth a lot of rating points.