Only One Makes It - GMC Hummer EV vs Ford Lightning vs The World’s TOUGHEST Towing Test!

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[@TFLtruck]

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[@tiattahiscupcakecandykatan2453]

Rivian has defeated the Hummer Ev on so many levels, why not a Ford Lighting vs Rivian Truck

[@elbowsout6301]

Put me on team hummer.

[@LovenessLife]

Don't get me started.. world toughest towing?? This is the world weakest truck ever... Thanks!!

[@D44rkFx]

@@tiattahiscupcakecandykatan2453 they don't have a Rivian yet. Once Rivian releases the Max Pack they will have another EV that can do the round trip with no charging. Silverado should have no issue either.

[@vr4042]

Well, the Hummer and GM do really help out Magna, since the Hummer has nearly double the battery size. Shocking or ironic that the HummerEV is the Hummer of the EV world LOL. The worst possible efficiency. About half that of the Lightning.

[@jeremyrobbins9064]

I find the cost of the EV, the range of the EV and the time charging the EV appalling.

[@Mistro07]

It’s completely unrealistic

[@clintonbartek1413]

Good thing we live in a free country with a free market with countless options to choose from…

[@JoeyCactus1]

Yep. The market will dictate this unless the government gives more money away to force these on us

[@billp5424]

You are right on the money. They are not ready for prime time.

[@mrpw1402]

Cool story

[@loudelectronics]

I would like to see a redo of this when temps drop below freezing. Would be great to simulate at -40 temps like we do in Canada.

[@jl4018]

I had a Mach-E with 300 mile range and drove 168 miles daily to and from work. Summer was fine but I could not make it to and from work with the heat on if the temperature dropped below 20 degrees (F) at 100% charge to start the day. Had to stop and charge a number of times heading home from work.

[@Iamthestig42069]

With snow tires

[@joshportelli]

Spoiler, it will use more energy, especially if they turn on the heat.

[@joshportelli]

@@jl4018 Pre-heating while still plugged in at home will help with this. If you unplug, then start car it has to drink some battery to heat from freezing up to optimal battery temp and cabin temp. Preheating will let you do this from the wall and save that battery for actual driving.

[@flyingsavage8522]

@@joshportelli it’ll help but also will lead the the battery going bad faster. Batteries don’t like to be plugged in while being used. Depending on how much you do it you could significantly cut the life of the battery down

[@wompa70]

I hope the manufacturers are watching what you guys are doing. This is incredibly valuable information y'all are gathering. User testing is arguably more important than any testing done by the engineering teams.

[@billygraham2132]

Engineers do better testing. Users do better REPORTING.

[@humdinger5701]

What the engineers report back to the manufacturer only matters if the manufacturer says it matters. The same goes for what they tell their customers.

[@sammccarthy6835]

Sorry but definitely not true. The tests cover many more hours in many more conditions with much more data accounted for

[@kevindavis5966]

@@sammccarthy6835 Which is interesting, because Ford released this EV truck in this state, for certain knowing its limitations.

[@sammccarthy6835]

@@kevindavis5966 yeap, not every truck owner needs to tow, it doesn't make it a worthless truck. This is a limitation of current battery technology, not at the fault of Ford. Still a great truck, just for different purposes.

[@bigman7293]

Imagine how unnecessarily stressful it must be to have to constantly watch your battery life remaining when towing with an electric truck.

[@strokerup]

200% more stressful than a fossil fueled vehicle for certain

[@codyfyfe]

Imagine what it was like driving a car in America before there was a gas station every 10 feet. That's why people preferred horses.

[@chrisethridge2348]

@@codyfyfe 😂

[@tonycrabtree3416]

@@codyfyfe imagine needing 30+ minutes to fill up a passenger vehicle.

[@codyfyfe]

@@tonycrabtree3416 as the tech is more readily available, that's going to change. I remember i used to plug my phone in overnight to charge. Now it takes about 30 minutes.

[@bradwilliams4921]

Great video. I’ll just stick to diesel trucks for towing and not sweat running out of energy and finding a recharge station.

[@BillLaBrie]

For now…hehehehe….

[@fastfreeks]

@@BillLaBrie The people in politics wanting to ban ice cars will just get voted out when the time comes.

[@redrock861]

@@fastfreeks absolutely. There's no way the millionaires of the country will allow their car fleets to become obsolete.

[@BillLaBrie]

@@fastfreeks Ahh. I see. Voting. Yes. Right-o!

[@BillLaBrie]

@@redrock861 Ban won’t apply to them. Just to people like you.

[@EGGINFOOLS]

I used 7 percent of my cell phone battery crowning the throne and watching this TFL vid. Totally worth it. 15 min 💩 break a day is one week worth of vacation at the end of the year!

[@loualiberti4781]

The anxiety caused by these EVs is giving me heart palpitations.

[@GeorgeGeo]

Video induced.. as they played doomy music and were voicing concerns.. they passed by charging stations.

[@a675432100]

Many charging stations. There's no problems with anxiety other than self induced anxiety. With about 250- 300 miles per charge on average, where would you go within your state with fear of running out of juice?

[@Rob-tl9md]

@@a675432100 lol. like 90 towing.

[@Tonyx.yt.]

@@a675432100 250-300/? Divide by 3

[@Mistro07]

@@a675432100 anxiety is technically all self induced…but people want the ability to take their vehicle on a long road trip or tow something if only 1-2 a year..I love how all the EV fanboys try to convince everyone what their needs are

[@russdeshon1986]

I'm curious to see what the results would be if you loaded up the camper with stuff and the truck with people. I suspect that the results would be remarkably different

[@workct4102]

Good point

[@pstoneking3418]

I certainly wouldn't have bought my lightning platinum had I planned on using it anywhere but locally. It's not as much a range problem as it is there's not enough working charging stations.

[@markstewart3516]

There would only be one truck in the test. The Hummer has a 7500 # towing capacity. The trailer was 6100#. My RZR is about 2000# Add a family and gear water etc. another 2000#. that is about total capacity for the Ford and way over for the Hummer.

[@cherokee180c0]

Weight has very little effect on and EV at highway cruise speeds. Weight affects the energy used on acceleration much more. Rolling resistance increase only. Aerodynamic drag is the main key variable. You could easily see that in their miles per KW/hr efficiency ratings being very close with the hummer 1000 Kg heavier.

[@benkanobe7500]

I really appreciate how honest and unguarded you guys are. It makes it more fun to watch while at the same time it is very educational. Thanks!

[@DNHarris]

They really do have fun with this. It shows! :D

[@adamcampbell981]

Imagine doing this test in winter now.....even less range!

[@ruds2600]

What about when the battery gets a few years on it.

[@2xrpm]

@@ruds2600 exactly. This ain't ready for this kind of transportation. At best EV is only local commuter use at this time.

[@CFArmouredCrewman]

Lets hope TFL does that! Really curious how much it actually drops.

[@anderander5662]

@@ruds2600 can't sell it..

[@derekk6906]

Resale value on EV Pickup Trucks will be terrible. A diesel with 200,000 miles on it will probably have more value than a 5 year old Ford Lightning.

[@rickkinnison9573]

Even with air suspension to level it out, the Hummer still looks to have squatted quite a bit.

[@upshifter5316]

I was a bit surprised at that as well. Toy haulers are kryptonite for half tons when they are unloaded - way too much weight distributed up front, even if the trailer's overall weight is well within spec. I know these EV's curb weights are nothing like a half ton's, but their payload is still more comparable to an HT than an HD.

[@atodaso1668]

Agreed it seems strange since it has air suspension. My parents range rover has air suspension and tows nice and flat.

[@hyperducky]

That hummer is wagging alot! It did not look like a confident towing with that truck

[@doubled8247]

@@hyperducky a toy hauler like that after propane and batteries is pushing 900-1000 tongue. Seeing as the hummer has 1300 payload it’s most likely over its RAWR

[@hyperducky]

@@doubled8247 they really should have been using a weight distribution hitch setup properly for this test

[@payrocoin]

25:15 - Not for nothing guys but, these are (for the most part) first generation EV Trucks and they performed THIS good. No overheating issues, no power issues, no braking issues, nothing broke and everything worked. You guys didn't even really have charging issues because like Roman mentioned, the charging infrastructure is more evident now. I think this is a huge win for both GM and Ford. I can only imagine how incredible the second generation EV Trucks are going to be after manufacturers process all the years of data from these first generation EV Trucks. Outstanding content in this video btw. 👌

[@shinymew2887]

For 100K this is absolutely garbage.

[@1320fastback]

Looks like I'll be keeping my 30 year old Dodge a while longer 👍

[@Jimmyprice258]

I'm keeping my 392 hemi charger too....

[@henryhill3778]

LMAO !!! Well said.

[@codyfyfe]

I'm just surprised your dodge hasn't rusted away yet

[@robertpsotka3525]

A no brainer, good choice

[@danielmckay3458]

12 valve Cummins all day long

[@timgurr1876]

Great video. Range and faster charging stations are a big issue for long hauls in EV’s. Also, the manufacturer’s are probably limiting the charging curve rate for fear of fire and shortening battery life. EV’s are fine for around town and short trips but they are not ready for vacation trips until there are more and adequate charging stations. I think the EV technology is great but it’s not yet at the point of eliminating ICE vehicles.

[@acephantom903]

I think these vehicles would have done a much better job without towing, but yeah. Currently if you want to do a truck's job you're still better off with ICE. There are probably ways of increasing battery charge but I'm not sure what the point of battery complexity vs the charge rate balance out. Who knows, if you increase the charge you might also decrease the range. I don't know enough about batteries to know what might be the hold ups.

[@jaimeduncan6167]

Yes agree, not yet ready for long time towing. The hummer charges super fast, but you need to find the proper charger. The hummer performance is paining the cyber truck in a good light: hummer battery capacity with Tesla's supercharging network could lead to a top adventure vehicle.

[@przemeksledziewski1973]

I didn't even realize you have to unhook your trailer to charge your EV

[@bobkonradi1027]

Even with high-powered charging stations, "refueling" an EV takes a lot longer than just throwing in some gas or diesel fuel. Most refueling with gas or diesel takes about 15 minutes, including going to the restroom and grabbing a snack. Reports are that with the fastest electric recharge stations, it takes around 45 minutes to get an 80% charge.

[@custommotor]

EV tech is great for commuting, but not great for towing due to the battery capacity. The Ford lightning 131Kwh battery is equal to 3.88 gallons of gas and the hummer 212 Kwh battery is equal to 6.29 gallons of gas. They are very efficient when just commuting under there own load. The problem with EVs is when you get to high load situations like performance runs or towing, because at the end of the day you only have that 3-6 gallons of gas of potential energy. EVs are more efficient at using that energy, but a trailer still takes energy to move. The cool thing is though. If these truck use 1 Kwh per Mile that is still the equivalent of 33 mpg while towing. (24.33mpg by one of the data screens I saw). Battery capacity just has to massively improve. I figure 250-350Kwh for a car and 450-600Kwh for a truck.

[@jcreeker5581]

Never have this kind of range anxiety in my 2003 7.3L Powerstroke. And it did not cost me $80K to $115K.

[@henryhill3778]

And they WON'T do that comparison... nor the comparison at -10. nor with those trailers LOADED !

[@jtlanden9771]

Right. I'm about to drive Eisenhower tunnel and Vail pass in a couple days elk hunting. 2002 7.3L Powerstroke won't even know it's loaded up. 👍🏻

[@grizzlyman329]

But you would look at your fuel gauge?

[@workct4102]

@@jtlanden9771 good luck! Cant wait to book an Elk hunt to CO!

[@nfsfanAndrew]

@@grizzlyman329 the fuel gauge doesn't tank in a matter of minutes like the battery gauges do.

[@nachozee24]

The hummer used the same amount of energy to climb the Ike as my house uses for 24 hours in the hottest month of the year

[@user-hd8ej8yx9p]

just shows you how much gasoline pollutes.

[@fastfreeks]

@@user-hd8ej8yx9p And the mining and production of battery materials don't?

[@mr.nobody---]

24 hrs of a coal burning powerplant to climb a mountain towing a trailer. Derrrrrr

[@-MOYST-]

If EV’s were really that great the market would naturally take us there. If government has a hand in their implementation you can rest assured it’s a scam.

[@jefferyharambe5067]

@@user-hd8ej8yx9p except the gas and electricity consumed are not 1:1 consumed

[@shinylugia7052]

0:08 always satisfying when the tire speed matches the frame rate (almost)exactly

[@hoodagooboy5981]

Not long enough.

[@jeffbrown3963]

Lots of variables in real life towing - like a 30 to 40 mph head wind or a 30 to 40 mph tail wind, elevation, heat or ac needs, etc. Great video and it exposes the issues well. Thanks!

[@sking2173]

With a 40 mph headwind towing a box trailer, one of these EV trucks could go dead in less than 50 miles, even in the flatlands !!

[@jaredz9507]

I build personal electric vehicles and I already knew the results of these test, the range is really a big issue with batteries that we have especially when the battery gets low. When you get low on battery the voltage sags which causes it do drop in current which really takes a toll on range, it really sucks how dumbed down the dash is you have no stats no way of telling how many amps your drawing the watts nor the voltage all these are really important to know. My pevs have all kinds of stats and it really depends on how you ride and how much you put it to work. Can't wait to see more vids!

[@wrek1988]

EV has a long way to go

[@sk8777kid1]

Like another 20-30 years

[@nickhowser7262]

@@sk8777kid1 by then hydrogen will overtake it

[@HVTMuddvain]

@@sk8777kid1 😂im still holding to my original opinion EVs will NEVER top even 50% of the auto industry. Especially if the dumb GOV doesnt pull a Cali law and outlaw combustion engines. Good luck Cali hahaha ill stick with my Diesel Cummins

[@01gtbdaily30]

I agree EVs do have a long way to go but clearly they can’t make it there without having to charge multiple times lol . See what I did there . I made a punny

[@jaketheriprrr]

And will likely never get there

[@darrylthompson3159]

You guys are the best for REAL LIFE use! Keep doing what you are doing. We need this...

[@jgy729]

Imagine if everyone had an ev how long would you have to wait to use a charger in the middle of nowhere

[@SimonEllwood]

Until recently everyone had a fossil vehicle how long does it take to find a free pump to fill your ICE?

[@JAMESWUERTELE]

You just roll into a pump. Since it takes 5-10 min to fill up, the pump isn’t occupied. There are going to be awful lines for these chargers. How many videos have you seen where there is one good charger, and the rest are no good? Looks like fun, I’m not participating.

[@SimonEllwood]

@@JAMESWUERTELE I do not need to watch a video, I have had my own EV for over 30 months. We had one 8 stall Tesla supercharger full and one 50 kWh charger. So 30 months of ownership and have actually only waited once for 5 minutes, the other time we just drove on to another charger.

[@Argedis]

@@JAMESWUERTELE more like 3 minutes unless you're driving a semi truck

[@SimonEllwood]

@@JAMESWUERTELE The profit margins on EV chargers is much higher than selling fossil fuels and there is no need for staff on site.

[@Domin131]

Please do these tests this winter. Be very cool to see real world comparisons with just ambient temp differences as variables

[@arnoldjohnson3317]

Why? Just to see them go less miles. Only a dumb ass would go camping in an EV. No wait a dumb ass would not even make it to the camp site, so no worries.

[@chrishewitt5826]

Just reduce by 40% or so.

[@waynemagill7462]

So could you imagine pumping gas for 20-30 minutes for 4 gallons of gas. The problem still exists until they get charge times down to atleast 5-15 minutes it is going to be hard justifying an electric vehicle for work or road trips

[@bindingcurve]

In 2008, lithium-ion batteries had a volumetric energy density of 55 watt-hours per liter; by 2020, that had increased to 450 watt-hours per liter.

[@JohnJones-ty6fj]

Wrapping up my first week in a Gasoline Electric Hybrid half ton, this video is yet another in a long line proving I made the correct choice. I can’t afford to spend time sitting and waiting for a vehicle to charge during every time I need to work it. The cost of refueling these is way more than the $30 or $40 of electricity.

[@jasono2139]

Yup... and you'll find that the charging cost at EV stations is often worse than just running on gasoline. I went on vacation in my PHEV... One charging station charged $0.25/kWh which meant AT BEST it would be equivalent to $4/gal...while gas cost $3.60/gal. I did find some FREE chargers though!

[@wilmarbarrick3194]

You should start tracking calories consumed while charging in addition to KW.

[@Pureservize1]

Yeah I would agree that would be fun to add to the video. 🍦

[@patdry]

The fact that neither truck gives the driver a real-time battery percentage is fascinating to me.

[@adamhulu6171]

You might know Lithium batteries like to avoid being fully discharged or fully charged if maximum lifespan is the goal. The Chevy Volt charge cycle is something like 20-80%, never above or below. How would the uninformed customer feel about that if they didn't understand why?

[@marc-oliviercabot3380]

@@adamhulu6171 Well those Prius Primes, as an example, have a 8.8Mw/h battery but Toyota really let's you use 6 to 6.5ish of those and the rest isn't used for battery life reasons. The percentage you see is a percentage of that usable range they allow you to use.

[@ludicrous7044]

You haf to axe for it!!🤷🏻‍♂️

[@kevincockburn7805]

I like that you talk about the "relative efficiency" of the batteries i.e. that the ford is using the equivalent of 4 gallons of gas. As a normal gas truck uses most of the energy in the gasoline to heat the engine, and make a lot of noise. But the battery is not quite as efficient as you say, as the electricity that went into the battery was more than likely created by burning a lot of fossil fuel in a huge engine (a power station) which while more efficient than a vehicle engine, still wastes a lot of the energy in the form of heat and noise etc.

[@bryanhersman4037]

You should set the cruise control on the gas and diesel trucks as well on the downhill and you will find they also will hold the speed too. Most will downshift and use compression braking or an exhaust brake if they have them automatically, just like the BEVs are using their regen automatically.

[@txshirle]

Yes. They cannot explain why they refuse to use cruise control going downhill with vehicles with diesel brakes. Makes me question their motives.

[@rvboyett]

I've used those chargers in Georgetown a few times and got 87kW on my R1T when I was the only vehicle there. However it dropped to 52kW after a while. I'm thinking it's more about it's charging curve. But there is a damn good cafe/pizza shop next to that Georgetown charger. I highly recommend it.

[@foellerd]

Lol, restaurants must love EVs.

[@JimBronson]

Nice to see someone with real world ownership experience chime in. Instead of the usual crowd arguing over charts and theoreticals.

[@rvboyett]

@@foellerd for real brother. But seriously that cafe’s coffee cake is addictive.

[@TheKillertoma11]

Hey now; we all know Hoovie's garage is well known for his towing tests 🤣 I'm glad this channel was recommended to me really neat to see the comparison

[@flyovercounty1427]

Info Wars said so!

[@guyforlogos]

I do thank you Roman, Andre, Brendan, Tommy and Case, these EV tests are gold! The information you bring us about the real life use of these trucks makes it easy for me to decide what to purchase. ( a truck with an I.C.E.) I also love the banter you all exchange, crew too. You all seem like genuine people. :)

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

It really is a great service these guys do testing all these different trucks so we can see the downsides and upsides of each one

[@danielbarrett6026]

Unfortunately, as more EV's get on the road the price of electricity will likely be just as expensive or surpass the current price of gas.

[@agentcarder]

And gas will drop with less demand, unless is taxed by government

[@Story_Teller_Everyone]

Well at the super chargers yes. At home I think no

[@jminaya90]

With tesla superchargers I don’t think so 😬 0.21 per kw i can charge my model 3 with less than $10 bucks 😂😂 (i live in a apartment complex I don’t have place to charge in home)

[@TdrSld]

@@Story_Teller_Everyone No, home charging will be more than a super charger. This is because homes get a discount till they hit X amount used for the month then switch over to a higher tier rate. In my area it jumps 3.5 time and you have to stay at that rate for 3 months. I know this because my neighbor has hit it twice in the last 3 years charging their Tesla. You also have to understand that once EV's reach 20% market share the demand on the Electric grid will force the power companies to start rationing. This will cause pike charging time rates to go up to stop people from all charging at the same time. You can't move demand from one energy type to another and the new energy type hold the same unit price. This happened in the 90's/00's with propane and the up tick in conversion vehicles.

[@danielbarrett6026]

@@jminaya90 This was only my opinion but I do not believe that for one minute. The monopoly will be in place and prices will soar. Imagine the carbon emissions from mining, transporting, manufacturing, installing, what to do with them once they fail, and developing infrastructure . I’m pretty sure they will not be using electric powered mining equipment, freighters, etc… 🤣

[@Cornish_Co]

3:30 So you are saying the electric motor is 100% efficient? 0% energy loss to heat. Got it.

[@ElementofKindness]

So weird for Ford to brand this pickup "Lightning" when they have already used that nomenclature previously for another pickup. (the F-150 SVT Lightning, which I had the opportunity to drive back around the turn of the century)

[@davidanderson2393]

That was interesting, the weight difference between the trucks was surprising. I can see an opportunity for the aftermarket to supply an add on dash mount mileage/efficiency calculator for those nail biter short trips towing.

[@Den-ml7zg]

because efficiency calculators will make a difference in their miserable towing range.

[@chrisE815]

As usual, interesting test TFL. "Which truck would you take?" A: I would keep the $100,000 and not spend it on a truck.

[@mikemullins513]

These are not at all practical I do really love that you guys really test everything and let people know what they are going to get into

[@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix]

Its absolutely crazy and absurd how heavy that Hummer is!

[@capachin]

It is not just the Hummer, My (on order) VW ID4 weighs exactly the same as my new Frontier PRO-4 X!

[@swss12]

It’s literally the same weight as a full sized Cummins dodge

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

I wonder why there isn't an electricity guzzling tax if their is a gas guzzling tax. Seems like their should be and if not there should be no gas guzzling tax either. Since it's unfair uneven playing field, it creates anticompetitive market because electric cars get comfortable with government handouts helping them but government punishments crippling the competition. In the long run this isn't good for competition and advancement for either propulsion methods tbh

[@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix]

@@swss12 heavier than that. A 3/4 ton cummins weighs just over 7,000lbs. Maxes at 7400lbs. My titan XD weighs 7400lbs also. That hummer weighs over 9k! Thats a 2500 Ram plus a full payload!

[@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix]

@@TheAnnoyingBoss good point! Those coal firing plants will be burning way more coal to keep up with the power demand once more EVs hit the road. Not to mention our power grid is already overloaded as is. I foresee massive blackouts.

[@caseyboone6768]

Ike gauntlet videos helped me pick my 2021 Ram! Cool to see how an EV does. A towing video with a v6 Grand Cherokee would be cool to see.

[@junkiexl86]

It would probalby break down halfway up. Jeep is just a fancy way to spell Junk.

[@PhotoHoag]

Sounds promising for Silverado and Denali with smaller tires and better aero. Thanks for benchmarking these!

[@dogmug7708]

Great video you guys. I cannot imagine how stressful this would be to take the family on a fishing trip (camping) . A 5 hour trip that is from Pueblo to wolfcreek (east fork) would take me probably 8 or 9 hours or more because of stopping to charge, I would have to bring my large generator and gasoline for it, so I could charge while we fished, the generator would be running all day long so we could just get back onto a paved road and hope to find a fast charger. I am not against electric trucks but we just are not there even close I would most likely own one if they were on the lots right now. These are city trucks. They need to build hybrids only, the infrastructure is not even close to being what is needed. There needs to be a gasoline battery maintaining generator attached at all times. If someone wants to make a few million and has the smarts start producing a small gasoline or propane maintenance generator that bolts up in the frunk with adapters for all different types of EV's. Until there are nuclear power plants 3 in each state this is not going to happen. Just plan on staying within 20 miles of where you live, if you must vacation put your VR goggles on and you can go anywhere and do anything anytime you like.

[@chasemorgan2788]

I agree with everything you are saying besides that Colorado is a very expansive state and mostly untouched with our infrastructure, as compared to New Jersey/ New York/California. Where you could find infrastructure anywhere or build new chargers within 10-20 miles of wherever you are trying to go.

[@Matt-dx3wo]

@@chasemorgan2788 As a far norcal native, I have to disagree with you lol

[@stevegriffith8680]

@@chasemorgan2788 as one who has driven all over the country for the last 12 years, the distance given from any remote point in Colorado to a point of civilization is less than being in a remote part of CA and possibly even parts of the North East. Maybe not a individual state but there is alot of undeveloped country in NY, PA. Now if you want to talk where I live in nevada 100 to 200 miles between towns is normal and your up and down mountains the whole time. Unlike most states east of the rockies where you have a pass and then it's flat. Pretty much just driving west of the rockies would kill a light duty EV when towing I would think.

[@jofus3604]

It would not be stressful because u could do it in an EV!

[@garytiedeman5154]

Awesome video guys! I was stressing right along with ya!! The price of these trucks is still so out of reach for so many people. I'm sure with technology the price has got to drop at some point.

[@daveyjones369]

I highly doubt the price will drop in the future.. Look at gasoline cars for example, they have not gotten cheaper as technology advances, but have doubled to tripled in price!

[@garytiedeman5154]

@@daveyjones369 Yeah I like the fact also that when the Gov started rebates again mysteriously a lot of the manufacturers raised their prices by the same amount as the rebate.

[@grabir01]

I have found that on my EV's that if I do not exceed 20mph, I get double the range over going over 40mph.

[@02hreblue30]

you must be fun to be around on the road

[@anderander5662]

And if you drive 2 mph in a foam rubber car you'll almost never have an accident... but you'll die of old age before you get where you're going

[@ArtOfHealth]

My local Ford Dealer offered me a 2022 Lariat model of the Lightning with the extended battery and 1000 miles for $117,000 plus taxes and ... My 2010 Tundra SR5 has the 5.7 and I get 16 mpg and 355 miles range. Same fuel cost. Less fear of reaching a charge station. Fluctuation of range on electric. $20000 balance on loan versus $117,000 plus plus plus the extras and worries leaves me with my quiet beautiful Tundra. I am not emotionally ready for all these weird challenges. Thank you two for helping me out!!!

[@racingtogreen2023]

Well, we got our Lariat for $84k, and it still is faster than my Mustang GT. Or pretty much anything else up to it's price point. I like ours, so far. Brave new world. We traded in a Powerboost for it, which was a great compromise, but not nearly as fun to drive or as good for day to day driving and utility in town, and out to our farm, 35 miles out of town. We were putting thousands of $$$ into gas in it, which will now be kW @ .10/kW charged at home, with half our power coming from solar as well. The Powerboost was $68k, when new, not a Lariat, didn't have cooled seats, so for $16k difference, we have a truck that does almost everything we want it to do, and should catch up in fuel/maint savings pretty quickly. We'll see.

[@nlpnt]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, EV trucks are already there for fixed-route operations and any job where you're yard-based and operating within a city and its' area, with more stop-and-go than high speed. Toy haulers may be where the profit-per-unit is fattest but it'll probably be the last to electrify.

[@otm646]

You are 100% correct. I wish the EV haters understood what you were saying. The EVs don't fit every niche, but they sure cover a large portion of the truck owner segment.

[@bloatedtonydanza7798]

Delusional 😂. Costs 6 times more to get one of these for the proper job. You sound like a guy that doesn’t use their car to work… we have to be realistic not a fan boi

[@otm646]

@@bloatedtonydanza7798 100,000 miles at 14 mpg on $4.40 gas is $31,500. The electricity to drive the same in one of these trucks is less than $7500. Plus the near zero maintenance. So take whatever HD truck you're looking at and add $27-30k to the price for the first 100k over the EV.

[@nlpnt]

@@otm646 Thanks for running the numbers. Another point is that toy haulers are emotional purchases, fleet managers tend to be much more TCO-focused.

[@hairychesticles1]

Life is to short to spend half of it charging your ev after towing every 80 miles

[@ronaldking1054]

Kinetic Energy = 1/2 mass * velocity squared. This doesn't count the aerodynamic drag of whatever you are towing. If you don't want to stop after 80 miles, then understand that going 70 mph on a road that has a minimum speed of 45 mph is idiocy.

[@PD-yd3fr]

And waiting for your spot to get into the charger to begin with

[@mattweeks2272]

@@ronaldking1054 or just by a diesel/gasser and do 70mph and not have to stop every 80 miles for 45 minutes 🤷‍♂️

[@vg3430]

@@ronaldking1054 Agreed. Applies to ICE vehicles as well. I travel 5 below the posted speed limit. (Yes folks, it’s called the “Limit” for a reason, not the “minimum” or the “required”. And no, 5 under is not dangerous). AMAZES me the number of folks driving 80-90 and then complaining about fuel prices. Plus…I never see anyone pulled over….imagine the lost revenue!

[@derekk6906]

After ditching camper so you don’t take up multiple charging spots.

[@williammodlin2621]

Thanks, guys, but I’ll keep my RAM 2500 Hemi for towing my trailer. Wouldn’t mind having a Lightning Pro for around town though. Keep the tests and review coming. You do a fantastic job.

[@Tallnerdyguy]

Why would you need a truck for DD if you already have one for HD? Wouldn't a car be more sensible?

[@jonfelty6063]

This proves EV trucks will not perform to meet my needs as a consumer. I have F350 diesel and never have any issues at all. Thanks for the real-world test!

[@newscoulomb3705]

21:44 I love the ChargePoint Express 250s, but even in paired 125 kW configuration, they are limited to either 174 A or 200 A (70 kW to 80 kW for 400 V cars), so it's really only 800 V cars that can take advantage of the full 125 kW power rating.

[@tazeat]

Yep, we need to get rid of kW ratings on chargers, they're almost all Amp limited before Watt limited. Or at least put both a max Watt and current rating. 400V class cars get about half the rated kW rating in most cases.

[@LakeLake123]

Looking forward to the big-battery Silverado EV. Same battery as the Hummer, but with better aero, normal all-season tires and likely less weight. Should out-tow the Hummer by a wide margin.

[@Jay-me7gw]

Being more aerodynamic when towing a 10' tall travel trailer isnt so important. It may not help at all. The hummer punching a bigger hole through the air for the trailer to pass through may actually help. Look at the cab of an 18 wheeler, its literally the size of the trailer. Also, tires probably wont change much either. I went from 275/60R20's to 315/70R17's and my towing MPG's changed an unnoticeable amount. The travel trailer's aerodynamic drag and extra drag from the additional 4 tires make the change in my trucks tires nearly imperceptible. So I am guessing the Silverado's range may not be a whole lot better.

[@Nebula1701]

@@Jay-me7gw Silverado is Estimated to be at 400 Miles, 71 Miles better than the Hummer, and the Hummer was already beating its estimates. The Hummer going well beyond the 329 miles unladen.

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@Nebula1701 Yes, unladen. Not with a 6000 lb brick behind it. Travel trailers tend to bring all tow vehicles into the same MPG/efficiency range as they are completely dominant in terms of the load on the engine due to the weight, aerodynamic drag, and tire drag. Any efficiency gain the Silverado will have over the hummer unloaded will become white noise with a travel trailer behind it. Also, the hummers 1000 hp motors may be better suited to the higher continuous loads of towing.

[@noneyabizz8337]

@@Jay-me7gw semis still try to be aerodynamic

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@noneyabizz8337 Right, which is why the cab is the same profile as the trailer, which was exactly my point. If Semi's didnt tow a trailer they wouldn't put a giant wind fairing on the top. In the same regard, the hummer might not actually be bad for towing from an aerodynamic sense. Look at the new Tundra. It has a retractable air dam in the front. Mike Sweers said that they found out that the air dam actually made the aero drag worse while towing and so, when a trailer is hooked up, they retract the air dam.

[@Deatomizer]

That Hummer should have never been made. What a POS. Spend your money elsewhere, anywhere is better than the Hummer.

[@EdMiF]

But it did. It's a showcase vehicle for the Ultium platform. The Silverado and Sierra EV's will be more direct competition to the Lightning.

[@Stang70Fastback]

What's crazy is that just a decade ago, the highest range a Tesla could achieve was like 250 miles or something. Yes, I know the battery in the Hummer is much larger, but it's still crazy to see the Hummer go as far as it did given it weighs as much as TWO Teslas, has giant, off-road tires, horrible aerodynamics, and was towing at trailer that weighs as much as 1.5 MORE Teslas, and is an aerodynamic boat anchor... AND was going up some pretty steep hills for part of it! Yay progress!

[@gadgetmantwincities]

168 miles on a full charge! You should have never had that ice cream🤪

[@Nebula1701]

Still had 8% left... so closer to 180/190.

[@duraflexllc4860]

I really like that Hummer even though I’m not for EV trucks yet but you guys did a great job and I love watching your videos

[@MrAk474life]

Man the production quality of you guys videos are crazy

[@143Garage]

I mean… all they did was record this lol. I don’t see any special screenplay/cinematics at work here

[@boombox2661]

Life is too short to wait for EV's to charge.

[@Argedis]

Time is money. People gladly pay extra for the convenience of saving time. EVs have it backwards, they cost a premium and waste time having to recharge

[@whidbeyhiker4364]

I wanted to love the lightning the two times I drove one, one ride in a Rivian that was sitting on a lot with 2K miles on it and I was sold. Took it home.

[@shopdog2]

You could do a tow off diesel vs electric but using the optional 5 gallon fuel tank in the diesel in order to get a comparable anxiety level. I have avoided all EV content from this channel until now, I'm missing the ZR2 or anything else with performance differentials.

[@vg3430]

I don’t think “lowering the standard” is the correct approach. IMO, there should be ZERO “anxiety” induced by any vehicle. All the cell phone users create enough anxiety on the road as it is! 😂

[@eymardbarron748]

Great job guys! I appreciate these types of comparisons.

[@T51B1]

Current technology/capability of electric seems to be good for passenger cars or commuting needs, but for medium to heavy loads for anything over a short amount of time then gas or diesel is still far superior.

[@jrbqto]

These are first gen, this tech is still new and developing and they've seriously came so far just to get it to this point. I can only see it getting better with each iteration. I think these first Gen trucks are perfect for people who like bigger vehicles, want more storage than a passenger vehicle and occasionally might need to tow. Occasionally, because it's going to be a hassle because you'll have to plan your trip around recharging which if you don't do it all the time wouldn't be a big deal. If you're still needing a work truck for everyday use, for right now you're right stick with ice. These companies will get a lot of data back from the first gen drivers, then maybe in 2nd gen the trucks will be able to help ice truck owners make the switch to electric.

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

I'm glad you spoke about energy density, it's a small factor that makes things like the Tesla semi practically impractical...

[@otm646]

I think you're confused on what the Tesla semi is designed for. There's a large portion of the segment that's not running all the way across the country. A lot of these semi trucks are doing milk runs back and forth that are less than a couple hundred miles. That's niche the Tesla semi is going to fill. I worked for the steel company that made the same 210 mile run 2 times a day every single day with a fleet of 7 trucks. The Tesla semi would be perfect for that type of application.

[@AkioWasRight]

@@otm646 What is your idea of "prefect", that it can just do it? In that case, a regular diesel is "prefect" times 3, because they can do the route 3 times in one tank.

[@Nebula1701]

@@AkioWasRight A tank that's much more expensive to fuel, and the maintenance/upkeep of the Diesel truck over time will be far more expensive than the EV Semi.

[@AkioWasRight]

@@Nebula1701 It depend on the cost of fuel vs electricity. For me here in California, it actually cost more to charge per mile than it does fuel the equivalent diesel, because electricity here is insanely expensive. Also, maintenance is always expensive for diesel, but it becomes inexpensive relative to the cost premium of an EV. I mean, some of these "Long" Range electric commercial trucks are 2-4x the price a of the equivalent diesel truck. Unless you do a lot of driving with very cheap electricity, you'll never makeup the cost anywhere. Even if the diesel truck caught fire driving away from the dealer after buying it new, you'd still be ahead with the diesel truck.

[@Nebula1701]

@@AkioWasRight when you are buying fleets EVs will out perform against ICE for maintenance costs and save companies money. You have regular maintenance on ICE vehicles that is just not done with EV. Upfront costs can easily be negated over the life of the vehicles and Fleets keep them for years.

[@ScottByeTX]

An EV has to do better (range/capacity) than the diesel chase vehicle before I’ll ever consider it.

[@sk8777kid1]

Whoa 160 miles on one charge 😂

[@reggiebuffat]

@Patrick94 with 4 gallons of ⛽.

[@AkioWasRight]

@@reggiebuffat It's not 4 gallons of fuel. You've likely spent 10x that much generating power and sending it to your charger. The gallon equivalent EV promoters like to point out is a meaningless measurement of efficiency.

[@MrJordanwain]

Have you seen the Airstream Estream? I found it a couple of days ago. It’s got it’s own EV batteries and Drive motors to assist the EV. As the tow vehicle pulls it drives and as it slows the Estream regens. I was mind blown when I found it. I can envisage it being super expensive but it seems the only suggestion so far. I would love to see TFL make a video on the Estream.

[@listenupfools731]

I don't understand why e vehicles dot regen AS THEY RUN

[@tonypalumbo7167]

@@listenupfools731 🤦‍♂️

[@DillonPrecisionFan]

Yeah, EV trucks just aren't there yet....if they ever get there. I will agree with Roman that using the equivalent of 4 gallons of gas is impressive, but those "4 gallons" sure weigh a lot and take up a humongous amount of space. Then you fill that "gas tank" through a plastic coffee stir stick!

[@gsitzkowitz]

Another great video proving that the whole electric truck thing is very expensive novelty.

[@realshnx]

Only for now. Like gas cars when they were first starting out, this too, will continue to improve over time

[@noneyabizz8337]

@@realshnx the cars still don't have enough range and take too long to charge

[@sonysoyboysaremadeoftears.7404]

@@realshnx This technology can only improve as much as the power grid and the most power grids are 30+ years behind so no, it won't improve much.

[@martyanderson3668]

Drive 75 miles, catch a movie. Drive 75 more & repeat. Sounds like a dream!

[@mattwilsonii2098]

For how primitive this technology is, I am impressed with both of these vehicles. This is basically a new technology for equipment other than forklifts, etc. People shouldn't be so quick to judge what they are seeing.

[@garyburkhardt8874]

In 1832 Robert Anderson developed the first electric vehicle but wasn't until the 1870's or later that they became practical. So it was tried before. Like they say nothing new under the sun, it has all been done before.

[@mattwilsonii2098]

@@garyburkhardt8874 not sure this is completely pertinent to my statements. Let's just say that development was mothballed to the point that it remains primitive.

[@BadCornflakes]

Granted that the technology will get better, but that will take time. If the government would stop shoving EV's down our throats and trying to force everyone into owning one, the natural evolution wouldn't be so rough. Let people drive what they want to drive. If EV's one day become a viable "live with it everyday " option then even the most die hard ICE vehicle supporter would probably switch voluntarily.

[@mattwilsonii2098]

@@BadCornflakes I think there will always be a device between gasoline and electric fans. Regardless, it took one modern company to force people to take electric cars seriously. Tesla. Not the government. And he has made believers out of a lot of people and forced legacy car manufacturers to leave their comfort zones. This is only the beginning.

[@jesuslozano5468]

On forklifts I read of using dead weight steel blocks they put batteries for counterweights

[@scotturich]

As you guys stated, it seems like manufacturers are trying to pull the wool over your eyes with how much energy your actually using.

[@JAdame24]

I can’t wait to own an ev and be stressed about range every time I drive.

[@samusaran7317]

Only if youre an airhead

[@theyoungrvers8021]

Has anyone else noticed that they weren't using weight distribution/ anti-sway bars??

[@stephenkellar]

So in short, the electric powertrain is much better in almost every respect to the I.C. but the gas tank is too small. I believe their might be some people working on that. The powertrains are getting proven and seem great. You guys are great at showing short comings in powertrain management systems and driver interfaces. That's one of the reasons I love watching these videos. The range thing is a given at this point in time but it probably is workable for at least 60% of the normal users. It's not going to get worse.

[@joshportelli]

Ya, better in everyway except energy density. And everyone in the world is working to improve that too.

[@timma100AR]

I love the comparison to gallons of gasoline to kilowatt hours.. it really puts the incredible level of efficiency into perspective with these vehicles.

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

It also demonstrates how horrible lithium is for energy density compared to gas.

[@brianbaker9893]

169 miles on one charge for the Hummer, EV’s have a long way to go! Diesel for the win and looks like it will be for several decades. Energy Density……,,, basic science.

[@charliesteadman9397]

This is a great comparison real world test for EV trucks! It validates what I've seen others saying about towing and EV trucks. They simply are not ready for prime time yet. Only having a 70-100 mile range towing a travel trailer with your EV truck just will not work for most people considering that it takes 30-45 mins to recharge your EV with a fast charger and that's hoping there isn't any sort of line of people waiting to charge up their vehicles. Looks like I'll be sticking with my V8 Tundra.

[@Taoweiji]

Between the two, I’d get the Hummer. Range is king. But, once I get my Cybertruck, I’d be happy to do the Ike Challenge with you guys for comparison to see who’s electrons are the biggest 😎 I’m in the Hillbilly Triangle (Morrison, Evergreen, Conifer)

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

Cybertruck is just too ugly for me man. I don't want anyone thinking I'm one of them cyberpunk dystopian nightmare type people 😂😂😂 no offense to those people it's just not my style. I like to not live in dystopian cyberpunk nightmare. Although I do appreciate the AESTHETIC for what it is, I just don't want to see it everywhere 😂 the video games and the comic cons is good enough for me haha. Its going to look weird if I pull up to the Walmart and get out of my cybertruck looking like my truck came out of a video game whilst I look like I just got out of a very conservative Christain church that values dressing very modestly 😂😂😂

[@tjhouston1280]

The cybertruck too ugly. . I don’t care what kind of specs it has

[@Taoweiji]

@@tjhouston1280 That's what she said 😂

[@americancapitalist9094]

The Hummer is almost twice as expensive.

[@fastfreeks]

@@americancapitalist9094 More, the ones I've seen are selling for 200k

[@227kirk]

Curious. Was the trailers loaded or dry weight? I would like TFL to fill the tanks half way, add the propane tanks and fill each trucks with gear that most people would load up.

[@Believer21777]

Full time job searching working changing stations and keeping track of mileage sounds fun .Its nice these things are so much cheaper then a ICE one with Fuel stations every few miles yep these are great.

[@jgreed5]

I wonder how much fuel a diesel would use during that same stretch. And how much it cost to recharge your ev’s after tow test

[@wilmarbarrick3194]

I wonder how much cheaper it is to acquire the diesel in the first place. Seems like that would negate any savings on the cost of recharging. 🤷‍♂️

[@loganholmberg2295]

The EVs definatly cheaper by far. Nut that range is atrocious. Id never buy an EV to tow my boat or camper. Even if the charging infrastructure existed I don't want to waste half my weekend at chargers towing my boat avfew hundred KM to the lake and back.

[@mjareacts2731]

I can't speak for the Ford Lightning, but the Hummer EV is an electrified off-roader, you wouldn't buy a TRX or a Raptor R for heavy duty towing would you?

[@ruds2600]

@@wilmarbarrick3194 You forgot how long will the battery last and the cost to replace and dispose of it. These are vehicles to make a person stay at home.

[@wilmarbarrick3194]

@@mjareacts2731 6k lbs isn't exactly "heavy duty towing" for a ½ ton truck.

[@kencotton4645]

I’d vote for the Lightning as well. I just wish the battery was a little better. Though for most of the equipment moving I do, the distance is much less than 160 miles. It is more like 30 or 40 miles total, with a stop at the halfway point where I use the equipment. The truck could be getting topped off, at least at a 110 rate while I am working.

[@csh000]

I look forward to seeing a rematch after solid state batteries come on the scene. Lighter, more capacity, safer, and faster changing will really help these trucks become viable to the masses. Payload will increase with the battery weight loss. Driving range will be less of an issue. Yeah, I'm in no hurry to buy.

[@noconz0727]

Crab walking with a trailer would be VERY useful when reversing.

[@VetBodGaming]

Electric trucks are still not ready for towing but I am thoroughly impressed with the performance by the hummer.

[@troyehnisz9907]

I think the hybrids are the way to go right now if you want to try and save gas

[@duramaxadventures5832]

2:58 THANK YOU FOR BREAKING THIS DOWN!!!

[@Alex-dk9hu]

So basically you validated Hoovies point lol regardless of the amount of equivalent gasoline in the Ford. Still love you guys, this is an excellent comparison although curious when the Silverado electric is released will it present any better.

[@chickenhawk212]

Would be cool to see an in city/town towing test for the contractors that use these trucks for work

[@juggernaut316]

Ya follow them for two 8 hour days

[@scottcummings8074]

When doing construction work, I don't have time ti mess with recharging, often tow more than 7500 pounds, and do not think these chassis would hold up to what I put them through. It would be a horribly dumb buisness decision to get a vehicle this expensive for how much capability it lacks. And to top that off I would have to carry a larger generator with me, even on trips. I would like to know if they can recharge while driving and what size generator it would need. I'm thinking 20 th 30 kw which use a lot of fuel.

[@bahamatodd]

@@scottcummings8074 Well that depends on how far you drive. One other benefit of these trucks on a construction site is being a power source for equipment.

[@fastfreeks]

Give 1 to a busy contractor see if it works without cutting into working time.

[@scottcummings8074]

@@bahamatodd I added a separate alternator and 4 147 amp hour batteries with a 15000 watt low frequency inverter I can run a house and weld with to my truck for 1500 dollars not counting the 5 300 watt solar panels I can plug into the charge controller on the truck. Ive even considering adding another transfer case with a motor or even ditching the transmission and adding 2 500 hp motors to the transfer case. The diesel only runs a generator for batteries like a train. I can do this myself for less than 20,009. But I make everything myself so I'll probably save more. I even thought about running something compact and light like a Mazda rotary for the generator to save weight and space for batteries from a wrecked ev. So I'm not against electric but it aggravates me to no end that the auto makers are charging this much when I can turn my truck into the gas or diesel hybrid I need. They would not be as heavy if they had a small engine charging fewer batteries. You could extend range into the thousand mile mark with a few gallons of diesel. It is how modern freight trains work. They are actually incredibly efficient when you take into account how many pounds per gallon they haul.

[@brianmullins3805]

Would love to see a cost per mile on both the EV's and the support vehicle. From what I saw it was going to cost close to $80 to charge the Lightning all the way up, including what it took to do the partial charge during the trip. Assuming the support vehicle had 1/4 tank used, and the tank is ~30 gallons, that's about $45-50 at local Oregon fuel prices. As always, great stuff FLT!

[@frankhage1734]

I recall a video they have towing the same trailer with the RAM truck. They got about 6 mpg and struggled up and down the big hills, especially at high altitude. There was lots of concern with engine and transmission temps.

[@ikocheratcr]

The support truck was empty, saying 1/4 of tank empty is not right comparison.

[@Longsnowsm]

AND those EV's are not even paying the road taxes that the support vehicle is paying in that price. All these people are going to be shocked when they start levying a tax by the miles driven tax by low jacking your car in the next couple of years that dovetails into other legislation they already passed requiring remote access to vehicles to shut them down for "emergency purposes - ie law enforcement". I can hardly wait until the Lemmings start to connect the dots. Then listen to them howl and scream. It is going to be quite humorous. I really can hardly wait.

[@Longsnowsm]

@@frankhage1734 You need to go back and watch the IKE video with that support truck pulling a heavy load.... They have done several of them with these Cummins equipped Ram's on the IKE. You clearly are not remembering that truck on the IKE or the load they were pulling. No struggle, no stress, no worry, and they were not pulling a light load empty toy hauler either. That is a HD diesel truck and this empty toy hauler is childs play for any HD truck. Time to go get level set with what these trucks are capable of, and neither of these EV's could even complete one mountain pass with an empty toy hauler, let alone actually take you on to your destination, have a good time, and get back. You simply can't do it on a 4-6gallon equivalent of fuel while doing real world work. No way to sugar coat it, and no excuses needed. It is just a physics lesson and these oversized, over weight vehicles are just not that efficient for the limited energy capacity they have on board.

[@frankhage1734]

@@Longsnowsm I think you are right. I was remembering the V8 Ram1500 test. They also had a different trailer. I did look at their HD diesel RAM test. They used a much heavier trailer and got 2.8 mpg up the west tunnel approach.

[@davidbarr2283]

Thanks for the video. It has taught me that I do not want one because Charging systems are few and far between and hundreds of miles between them in New Mexico. You drove about 150 miles give or take and had to charge a few times. That is not efficient in my book.

[@thomassears4920]

49 cents per kwh! Dang that's higher than gas would be. EVs have a long way to go

[@Krnnerdboy]

What makes up for that is the possibility to generate free solar at home or pay .13 a kwh off the grid.

[@rolandgodwin2882]

It's going much much higher also!

[@rolandgodwin2882]

@@Krnnerdboy you do realize electric is electric it's going way up at home too!!! The grid doesn't care what you are charging, lighting, running etc!

[@michaelfranks341]

@@Krnnerdboy once everyone switches to EV's there will be no off peak hours for the grid. High price 24/7 for the entire household.

[@jongouras7040]

@@Krnnerdboy free solar? How?

[@jaytate491]

I plan on getting a lightning once my custom home is built because i want to use it for whole house generation during outages.

[@Yielar1]

Hummer EV is pretty damn impressive! I actually really like the Lightning as well. I'll keep my Powerboost Hybrid F150 for another year or two and then either get the updated Powerboost or possibly look at an EV depending on the availability and price point.

[@buildingsalvage]

Need a hybrid f250 plzzzzz. Need higher tow cap and range.

[@bobbywalter5320]

Definitely love our powerboost....did have to get the rear end replaced though.

[@henryhill3778]

That's impressive? You need to get out more. The electric car was invented Before the gas.

[@pmscalisi]

Think I’d wait five years.

[@StBeter-tc2te]

@@henryhill3778 there’s a reason why it was made almost a 100 years ago and it failed. They weren’t efficient at that time and they still aren’t good.

[@andrewsbbq]

It's going to take solid state batteries for EV trucks start to make sense for modest towing. As a daily driver though, both these truck are fine.

[@Argedis]

Many 'fast chargers' can't even keep up and charge at half the speed as shown in the video. (many other videos too) That's another 30 minutes wasted. Also the Hummer EV already takes FOUR DAYS to charge from a regular house outlet. What's the point of having a super capacity battery if it takes forever to get the juice into it?

[@andrewsbbq]

@@Argedis no one with a full EV unless it's one of those 60 mile micro cars is charging off a 110/120 15amp outlet at home. A PHEV sure but they charge in 3hrs or so. And the government needs to standardize these claimed fast charging stations, which I think is part of the recent legislation/funding.

[@Argedis]

@@andrewsbbq The Hummer EV takes 16.5hrs to charge 80% on a 240V L2 charger - the fastest charger in a residential home. What about people who live in Condo's/Apartments? EV's waste precious time of your life that you will never get back.

[@andrewsbbq]

@@Argedis the 240 Lvl2 is meaningless without know long the service feed amps and charger capabilities. You need a service 20% bigger than the charger output. You can run an 80amp service and get 240v 64amp output which chargers the hummer in about 8hrs... I think what you are referencing is Andre's home Lvl2 charger which is a 40amp feed and 32amp output charger. New condos are requiring EV stations. This is a transition point. All the problems arent solved over night and foolish and discreditable to make that as an argument... Just like the transition from horse to car.

[@4literv6]

@@andrewsbbq well said. 👍🏻 from 1950-2000 we saw a 500% increase in grid demand. Somehow we got it done. Since then despite an over 30% population increase? And so many devices we use each day requiring recharging and huge tv's, home internet routers etc? We've decreased or stayed flat for overall grid demand. These so called problems will sort themselves out over the next 5+year's easy. 😎

[@CFArmouredCrewman]

Cummins for the win! Love it!

[@Arthur-tx8fd]

Manufacturers like GMC and Ford hopefully put out something like infomercials to apply to the masses cause listening to you guys your talking EV not combustion. It would be very helpful

[@bobkonradi1027]

On another video about towing these same 2 trailers, one with the Hummer and the other with the Ram with the "regular" horsepower Cummins engine, they said they bought the Ram Truck new from a local Denver dealer for $68,000 and they paid $115,000 for the Hummer, window sticker list price, no dealer markup, plus it didn't come with a spare tire, so they had to buy the tire and its mount for extra money from the dealer's parts department. The Hummer therefore cost $47,000 more, plus the extra spare tire and mount. Again, on another of TFL's videos on KZbin, with the Hummer and the Ram running nose to tail, on a 123 mile towing segment on the Interstate east of Denver, the Ram used $100 of diesel fuel ($5+ per gallon) and the Hummer would have used $45 in charging fees to get from an 8% to an 80% charge (NOTE: there was a promotional offer by the charging company which gave them one free charge, so they didn't actually pay anything, but they would have had to pay $45 under normal circumstances)

[@KrustyKlown]

An Add-on Trailer Battery Pack .. would extend towing range, AND provide trailer power at destination.

[@crankychris2]

The battery box weighs 450 lbs? Ford needs to address this right away. Magna really dropped the ball on this, their poor design adds to the Fords heavy weight. This is the result of outsourcing parts to an aftermarket co that doesn't know what it's doing. Using Magna completely negated the use of aluminum to save weight. Small wonder that Ford has already curtailed the production of Lightnings.