Chieftain V T-62 | Operation Nasr, Iran - Iraq War, 1981

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Two tanks designed to fight each other in Northern Europe would face each other during the Iran-Iraq war in 1981. On one side, the British built Chieftain MBT. On the other, the Soviet built T-62.
In this video, we examine what happened during Operation Nasr to find out which tank came out on top…
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00:00 | Intro
01:19 | Meet the Tanks
02:15 | The T-62
03:26 | The Chieftain
06:21 | From Paper to the Battlefield
09:25 | The Outcome and Findings
This video features archive footage courtesy of British Pathé.
#tankmuseum #tankvtank #chieftain #t62 #famthetankman

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@georgepatton93
@georgepatton93 18 күн бұрын
My take on this is that it comes down to so many soft factors like crew training, doctrines, maintenence, who sees first and shoots first, etc. It is entertaining to compare tank hard stats, but it is more important to examine all the contexts of the engagement
@user-hl7nt1og7k
@user-hl7nt1og7k 18 күн бұрын
I've only just started this video and I don't know how this engagement went, but I've seen footage of Iranian soldiers during this war and they don't seem anywhere near as well trained as the Iraqis.
@adamg7984
@adamg7984 18 күн бұрын
You can give the best equipment to the worst troops and they'll fail. It's always more important to factor in tactics and training. If you don't know how to use your shiny new tool then it's as good as useless or at least worth a lot less than it says on the box.
@user-nj6yb3ob5j
@user-nj6yb3ob5j 17 күн бұрын
Very true. Something often overlooked by bean counting bureaucrats is that training and logistics count for more than a shinney new toy.
@thegreyhound1073
@thegreyhound1073 12 күн бұрын
Tactics wins battles, logistics win wars
@johngolden3714
@johngolden3714 18 күн бұрын
M48 Patton vs Centurion in the Indo-Pakistan War 1965.
@max2008abhi
@max2008abhi 18 күн бұрын
300 pattons fought 100 got destroyed and 200 ran away.
@mr.waffentrager4400
@mr.waffentrager4400 18 күн бұрын
indian t55 vs Pak m48
@mewcatnotmeow
@mewcatnotmeow 18 күн бұрын
​@@max2008abhi In Chawinda who lost 100-120 tanks compared to 44-60? India. Losses were similar in overall war.
@max2008abhi
@max2008abhi 18 күн бұрын
@@mewcatnotmeow pakistans losses were higher. That's why they went on the defensive. Problem is Pakistan army is filled with jackass people.
@rcgunner7086
@rcgunner7086 18 күн бұрын
@@max2008abhi There were some of these engagements between the Israelis and the Jordanians too.
@ianpeterson6029
@ianpeterson6029 16 күн бұрын
This was an excellent Debut for Paul, and a new format. I’ve always enjoyed the "Old Guard". Looking forward to seeing more of the "New" in the future
@thetankmuseum
@thetankmuseum 18 күн бұрын
Hey Tank Nuts! We hope you enjoyed our latest video, what Tank V Tank video do you want to see next? Let us know below.
@already936
@already936 18 күн бұрын
My dad was a gunner for this tank
@red_ed5715
@red_ed5715 18 күн бұрын
workshop diaries
@michaelwray1097
@michaelwray1097 18 күн бұрын
Can you cover some interwar tank battles? Like uses of t-26 and pz 1 in Spain for example
@jamesbeeching6138
@jamesbeeching6138 18 күн бұрын
I would love to see the Matilda 1 and 2 vs Pz38 and Pz 3....Arras all over again!!!
@AndyTernay
@AndyTernay 18 күн бұрын
Battle of Brody/Dubno. I understand that it is massive and would take time to cover, but I hope that like the coverage of the Battle of Cambrai and Battle of Arras and episode could be done. It hard to find good detailed coverage of the battle - and I would guess the Soviet records are scanty and fragmentary. Also - Paul is an excellent presenter. Glad to see more of him.
@mcsmash4905
@mcsmash4905 18 күн бұрын
the chieftain engine may have been a stinker but the sound it makes is epic , this conflict is also covered in another game called steel armor blaze of war , except instead of playing as a chieftain you get to play in an m60 ( for some reason )
@jon9021
@jon9021 18 күн бұрын
I agree!
@hughboyd2904
@hughboyd2904 14 күн бұрын
Great idea for a new series. Also love Paul’s presentation - he’s a natural. Look forward to seeing more of these.
@plunder1956
@plunder1956 18 күн бұрын
I feel very positive about seeing a younger face on the Tank Chats. It was a great talk with more about practical tank doctrine and real world experience in a more recent conflict. I remember having a similar chat with a young mechanic beside a Tiger at the museum a few years ago. That was superb, connecting the museum and collection with a younger audience. Please do more like this.
@AndyTernay
@AndyTernay 18 күн бұрын
Agreed, Paul is an excellent presenter.
@pinkyandbrain123
@pinkyandbrain123 18 күн бұрын
@@AndyTernayPaul’s hair is a great presenter
@shaider1982
@shaider1982 16 күн бұрын
Yup, Paul is a great presenter👍🏻
@thetankmuseum
@thetankmuseum 15 күн бұрын
Thanks for the feedback!
@Eric-kn4yn
@Eric-kn4yn 14 күн бұрын
​@@pinkyandbrain123 looks terrible like a lost tribe blackman no disrespect but would he be allowed in defence with that hair
@spyderDFX
@spyderDFX 17 күн бұрын
>230mm >thinner than the Western main battle tanks wtf are you talking about? Competence level of this channel is astonishing.
@therealwildboar1007
@therealwildboar1007 15 күн бұрын
For succinctness of the video they didn't explain the mechanics of armor protection, but across its front face, due to angled plating the Chieftain has far higher than 230mm front LoS protection in most places.
@levilastun829
@levilastun829 14 күн бұрын
The Chieftain was the most heavily armoured tank of its time. But that doesn't mean that the T-62 was poorly protected, because its armour was thicker than on the M-60, M-48, Leopard 1 and AMX-30. In that era, heavy armor mattered less because of the potential of the new advanced anti tank rounds like HEAT-fs, APDS and APFSDS
@firesb7791
@firesb7791 6 күн бұрын
​@@levilastun829was it though? The T-64 was designed and produced around the same time in the early 60s, and was equipped with a full composite armor scheme
@levilastun829
@levilastun829 6 күн бұрын
@@firesb7791 Apparently you're right, the Chieftain started military service in 1963 while the T-64 started in 1967, which isn't enough difference to be considered a different era. So the T-64 is the most heavily armoured tank of its time
@michaelk19thcfan10
@michaelk19thcfan10 18 күн бұрын
Thank you for producing this. For one of the largest conflicts during the 2nd half of the 20th century, there is a rather sparse content about the Iran-Iraq war on sites like KZbin.
@markfryer9880
@markfryer9880 17 күн бұрын
It's largely overlooked by Western bias media. I remember that it would occasionally rate a mention on the ABC (Australia) TV news and in some of the daily newspapers, but I doubt that the commercial networks would have covered it. However, I do seem to remember Channel 9, 60 Minutes (Australia) covering the war at least a couple of times. I am a bit vague as to the status of SBS TV (Australia) during that period. If it was active then they would have given it some coverage to inform people from that region who were living in Australia. Mark from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
@FieldMarshalFry
@FieldMarshalFry 17 күн бұрын
Massive bias My dad (UK) worked with an Iranian man during the war and mentioned how he would always get visibly angry whenever there was media coverage as it would always show Iran as the aggressor, even though Iraq had started the war and was using chemical weapons, the latter of which was conveniently ignored until the fact became useful to the west in the Gulf Wars
@stevewhite3424
@stevewhite3424 16 күн бұрын
​@@FieldMarshalFryThere was plenty of media coverage including the massive iranian human wave attacks led by children.
@thewoodlandschoolltd3999
@thewoodlandschoolltd3999 18 күн бұрын
The tanks could have been anything. No recon, poorly trained crews and no experienced commanders.
@Eric-kn4yn
@Eric-kn4yn 14 күн бұрын
Those chieftain TCs were on a sunday drive to the mosque ?
@sasant310
@sasant310 18 күн бұрын
My father was a company commander during that specific battle and MIA
@user-hl7nt1og7k
@user-hl7nt1og7k 18 күн бұрын
Iraq or Iran?
@sasant310
@sasant310 18 күн бұрын
@@user-hl7nt1og7k Iranian chieftain, royal army. He was inside one of that 16 tanks with the crews
@AndyTernay
@AndyTernay 18 күн бұрын
Thank you for sharing that. Always personalizes things.
@markfryer9880
@markfryer9880 17 күн бұрын
Ouch! That is very personal. How old were you at the time of the battle, if you don't mind me asking? Mark from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺 Former Australian Army Reservist '88 to mid '90s
@ahseaton8353
@ahseaton8353 10 күн бұрын
Thank you for his service
@nigeh5326
@nigeh5326 18 күн бұрын
Great stuff really enjoyed it 👍 Thanks Paul keep the videos coming Maybe a video on the Falklands War and the Scorpions and Scimitars used there
@_Saracen_
@_Saracen_ 18 күн бұрын
Great video thanks! I wish there was more stuff out there covering the Iran-Iraq War, I'm amazed how overlooked it's been.
@michaelsalt4565
@michaelsalt4565 8 күн бұрын
I was in the middle east at the time and this battle caused quite a stir. The main reason for the Iranian defeat was a lack of leadership, abysmal tactics, poorly trained crews and zero logistics/maintenance. Great video and I enjoyed watching it.
@nuraly78
@nuraly78 14 күн бұрын
There are so many mistakes in this video, that I don't want even to discuss 😂
@hansulrichboning8551
@hansulrichboning8551 13 күн бұрын
the iraqi-commanders knew their job better and made proper use of the strenghts of the t62 (higher speed,lower silhouette) and they avoided long- range frontal engagements with the Chieftain.
@Shmuzznik
@Shmuzznik 18 күн бұрын
Do Yom Kippur next. Centurions\Pattons V T-55\T-62.
@roderickhamilton9891
@roderickhamilton9891 17 күн бұрын
Always great to see Paul in front of the camera!
@russwoodward8251
@russwoodward8251 13 күн бұрын
Verrry good narration by Paul. He's obviously had lots and lots of practice. Great series! Thanks.
@petrsukenik9266
@petrsukenik9266 18 күн бұрын
I would not say that chieftains performed poorly. They were driven thru soft ground into ambush possition into close quaters fight. Thats death sentence for any tank
@babboon5764
@babboon5764 16 күн бұрын
It said that when 'The enemy is in range' - So are *you* The distance between the Iraqi & the Iranian Tanks was the same as thet between the Iranian Tanks & the Iraqi. But the Iraqis trusted to tactical reasoning & the Iranians to God. Had the two sides swapped tanks the overall effect would have been the same with a decisive Iraqi victory.
@shaddaboop7998
@shaddaboop7998 6 күн бұрын
@@ianjardine7324 Worth remembering the Iraqis were also massively incompetent in this war. But we've seen from the invasion of Kuwait that the Chieftain, in the right hands, was very very good at blowing up T-72s and T-62s.
@USB740
@USB740 3 күн бұрын
@@ianjardine7324 All false claims written up by British propaganda. Look up the Iranians losses from reliable sources, much heavier than ours. It was a huge defeat for them and the Chieftain proved to be a failure.
@USB740
@USB740 3 күн бұрын
@@shaddaboop7998 Kuwaiti chieftains failed with most being destroyed and the rest were captured. There is no proof that they had any meaningful success against our forces. They lied and the British perpetuated their lies. Just like the babies thrown out of incubators and the stealing of them.
@USB740
@USB740 3 күн бұрын
@@therealwildboar1007 The numbers presented in this clip are wrong. It's just basic British propaganda to write up their own tank, even though it was a failure. Iranian armor losses versus our T-62s and T-72s was horrible. Pierre Razoux and other notable authors on the topic have confirmed it through independent research. A veteran T-72 tanker from the 8 year war.
@williammontroy9024
@williammontroy9024 18 күн бұрын
Great as always gents ! Thanks for all the wonderful content.
@charlesfaure1189
@charlesfaure1189 18 күн бұрын
A new presenter for the museum! Excellent and well done!
@richardgoughthomas5793
@richardgoughthomas5793 17 күн бұрын
My favourite video in weeks. Well done Paul!
@gareththompson2708
@gareththompson2708 18 күн бұрын
2:43 230mm really isn't much thinner than the armor of most western MBTs of the same generation. Of the 2nd gen western MBTs, I'm pretty sure only the Chieftain had significantly thicker armor. The M60 had marginally thicker armor in some places (I think it got up to 250mm on the front of the turret). Both the Leopard 1 and AMX-30 had much thinner armor.
@Killayeti67
@Killayeti67 11 күн бұрын
Great production and integration of documentary images, world of tanks, and in person discussion, and museum footage. Great stuff!
@residentgeardo
@residentgeardo 18 күн бұрын
These episodes are really brilliant! Keep 'em coming! 🙂
@thetankmuseum
@thetankmuseum 15 күн бұрын
🙌
@zebradun7407
@zebradun7407 17 күн бұрын
A good presentation. The crew makes the tank work, the leadership that picks the battlefield wins the fight.
@theflyingfool
@theflyingfool 18 күн бұрын
An excellent presentation thanks Paul!
@hansulrichboning8551
@hansulrichboning8551 13 күн бұрын
1,370 m/s is relatively slow, the quite short L44 smoothbore gun of the early Leopard 2 reached 1,650 m/s. For AP-rounds the rifled gun is inferior, but for HESH superior.
@nigelharrison83
@nigelharrison83 18 күн бұрын
The tank is only as good as its crew and doctrine. It would have been interesting to see how the battle would have unfolded with a soviet crew in the T64 and a British crew in the chieftain.
@apyllyon
@apyllyon 18 күн бұрын
Speaking in terms of performance in daylight fighting it most likely would boil down on who sees who 1st...At night Chefu will make a cosmonaut out of the 64....
@nigelharrison83
@nigelharrison83 18 күн бұрын
@@apyllyon agreed. The British doctrine would have had recce and infantry support. Soviet doctrine was different again, they would have had numbers. Glad it didn't happen however, I wouldn't like to test out those NBC units 😳
@apyllyon
@apyllyon 18 күн бұрын
@@nigelharrison83 In terms of numbers the british vs soviet recce would have been 1st to clash, and at night during 1960´s and onwards the West would have had minor advantage at night in term of IR optic´s since the Chefu and M60 had Xenon-arc lights operated with IR-lenses while soviet tank´s operated L-2 Luna light´s with incandescent bulbs.The 1960´s would have been interesting also due to having centurion Mk10´s clashing with T-62´s since both were serving as mechanized infantry divisions tank support.
@nigelharrison83
@nigelharrison83 18 күн бұрын
@@apyllyon during the day would have been a different story to. The Iraqis in this case had air reconnaissance. In short this video's comparison can't be used as an example of how a confrontation with the soviet union would have played out. Fyi I appreciate your knowledge dude 😎 very impressed
@drmarkintexas-400
@drmarkintexas-400 18 күн бұрын
🎖️🏆🤗💪🧡 Thank you for sharing this
@yumazster
@yumazster 9 күн бұрын
Welcome Paul! Excellent presentation and.waitimg for more!
@xXTheSalvationXx
@xXTheSalvationXx 18 күн бұрын
First class content, thank you!
@coventryboy68
@coventryboy68 18 күн бұрын
Dont care how the Chieftain performed or how reliable it was. It was/is a gorgeous tank, so it wins!
@jomo350350
@jomo350350 18 күн бұрын
he wins to be a piece of crap.🤣
@theemporersnewclothes
@theemporersnewclothes 15 күн бұрын
Many tanks for the new content
@sinisatrlin840
@sinisatrlin840 18 күн бұрын
4:15 Every diesel engine works on aviation jet A-1 fuel withouth any problem. It also starts much easyer with aviation fuel in winter. Modern common rail diesels also work well on Jet A-1. On longer periods of use there could be problems with lubrication of injection pump, but that can be solved by adding few percent of engine oil in aviation fuel. Aviation fuel is cleaner kerosine with some aditives anway.
@Drumsetti
@Drumsetti Күн бұрын
Great job Paul! Glad to see some new blood in the team. Like someone already said, you're a natural. Great narration and interesting fresh format! 👍
@Spartan902
@Spartan902 17 күн бұрын
Excellent breakdown of both tanks. I have a model Chieftain and a T-72 but not the T-62. Thanks guys! I love World of Tanks by the way. I have 2 accounts active.
@christopping5876
@christopping5876 15 күн бұрын
The Tank Museum produces yet another great presenter. We are spoiled!
@thetankmuseum
@thetankmuseum 15 күн бұрын
🙌
@jamesgillis5429
@jamesgillis5429 18 күн бұрын
New presenter did a great job!
@Maxcraft12
@Maxcraft12 8 күн бұрын
This was a really interesting and well put together video!
@vickyking3408
@vickyking3408 18 күн бұрын
Well put together😊
@paulhills1967
@paulhills1967 18 күн бұрын
Excellent presentation! Thank you
@GK11415
@GK11415 17 күн бұрын
Great Video. Please do more tank comparison videos like this.
@Venator237
@Venator237 18 күн бұрын
Excellent video!
@stco2426
@stco2426 14 күн бұрын
Good video and well presented, Paul.
@tasman006
@tasman006 17 күн бұрын
Awsome vid would love more tank vs tank vids like this please. Big thumbs up.
@nickmillington8147
@nickmillington8147 15 күн бұрын
Great new format and excellent presentation. T34 various versions against the German tanks they caused the Germans to create - T34 76 v PzKpfw III / IV up to T34/85 v Panther / Tiger
@clockmonkey
@clockmonkey 18 күн бұрын
You have to wonder if some of the Tankers who fought in the Battle are still alive and could have told us how their part in the Battle played out.
@MCMLXXXIV1984
@MCMLXXXIV1984 17 күн бұрын
Great Video, Fam!
@gr6373
@gr6373 18 күн бұрын
Good episode. I like the animation!
@LazyLifeIFreak
@LazyLifeIFreak 18 күн бұрын
It is not which tank is better but rather who is best at using them.
@DrLoverLover
@DrLoverLover 17 күн бұрын
not if its not working
@andrewcoley6029
@andrewcoley6029 17 күн бұрын
Excellent, loved the World of Tanks animation. How about the Soviet T26 vs Panzer II during Barbarossa.
@Nost1974
@Nost1974 18 күн бұрын
Great video 👍
@xDSqxRazoRx
@xDSqxRazoRx 14 күн бұрын
T-62 was only slightly less armored than non-Stillbrew Chieftain but still better than M60. It achieved this not by just being tighter inside but also through having very compact engine and transmission layout that only took a quarter of the tank's length (this solution started with T-44, is still alive on T-90 and arguably the reason for X-engine on Armata). Stillbrew package would probably help with U-5TS but against 2A46 that have been around for more than a decade by then... lol, lmao even. T-62 had *much* better APFSDS in soviet service (330mm @ 2000m), however having simple steel armor it was vulnerable to Chief's HESH. Mobility-wise T-62 is okay but Chieftain is basically a WW2 heavy tank when it's powetrain doesn't crap out - think Tiger II. At the end of the day the excuse of Chieftains "not being used properly" doesn't hold much water as back in europe GSFG would blot out the likely ambush spots with rocket-delivered AT mines to force western tanks into mobile warfare. And if the roles were reversed T-62s would be able to traverse the marshy ground or not even be on that road in the first place.
@nickschaefer3306
@nickschaefer3306 18 күн бұрын
awesome video!
@keithmitchell6548
@keithmitchell6548 18 күн бұрын
Really interesting, thanks!
@RohanGillett
@RohanGillett 17 күн бұрын
Another great video which I really enjoyed. It showed how training certainly affects the outcome of a battle. I'd like to see a video about WW2 German Mk IVs against the IS series of heavy tanks. I've never found any good information about their fight on KZbin. How did that 75mm gun on later versions handle the Soviet heavies?
@Rosatodi2006
@Rosatodi2006 12 күн бұрын
Outstanding presentation!
@Cancun771
@Cancun771 18 күн бұрын
Many people don't take into account the logistical benefits that go with a lower vehicle weight. The lighter tank does not only have greater agility. It can also make do with less sturdy bridging equipment when it comes to crossing rivers and other obstacles. You need less powerful and heavy lorries to truck it around. These advantages can make it possible to get the lighter tank into places where the heavier one cannot be brought into action, or fewer of them. It can mean having tanks where the others don't.
@wolvetica
@wolvetica 17 күн бұрын
Its Fam! the best presenter on Tank MU! A personal favourite tank is the Conquerer, also the fv4005
@Mountain-Man-3000
@Mountain-Man-3000 18 күн бұрын
Good host. 👍 Nice production.
@johnho7422
@johnho7422 18 күн бұрын
Excellent video by an excellent host! Paul also has a great voice - like to see him successful as a voice actor!
@henninghubby2674
@henninghubby2674 18 күн бұрын
Excellent video :)
@mootpointjones8488
@mootpointjones8488 18 күн бұрын
Great video, thanks 👍 I like to see anything featuring the Centurion tank, please
@user-yk4mj3lw3y
@user-yk4mj3lw3y 18 күн бұрын
I was a wee lad when I first saw the Centurion at Queen’s birthday parade in Berlin. Got to ride on one early/ mid 60’s at Bovington. Beautiful bit of gear
@jimmyhillschin9987
@jimmyhillschin9987 16 күн бұрын
Really liking Paul. Great that he's been in the Tank Museum family for a while and now graduated to be a star on KZbin.
@thetankmuseum
@thetankmuseum 15 күн бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! 🙌
@NiSiochainGanSaoirse
@NiSiochainGanSaoirse 7 күн бұрын
The farm I work on has a chieftain tank in one of the storage units, where we park the quads, tractors and other plant vehicles. The owner is restoring it, slowly (very slowly) and although its engine runs, the electrics and hydraulics are a different matter altogether. The most striking thing about the tank is it's sheer bulk. They look quite reasonably size when they're next together in videos, but when it's stood still in a warehouse of tractors and excavators, it is absolutely huge. I had a look inside a couple of days ago, and the sheer size of the tank isn't reflected in the cramped crew compartment, which is a bizarre shape with the gunner sitting almost directly underneath the commanders seat, and the loader sits facing almost backwards to the gunner. All this is completely uneducated of course. I'm a simple farmer, but my son is a soldier which is where the interest comes from. I jumped down from the top of the turret and I bet I fell 12 or 15 feet. I had to do it in two drops, first from the turret top to the deck, and then from the track guards to the floor. The size of the thing is just mind blowing.
@martynjones3978
@martynjones3978 17 күн бұрын
This was good, be nice to see more like this please!! The first German encounter with the Kv1 would be interesting or some of the battles in France where they came up against Matildas and Char B1’s
@pomazzzz
@pomazzzz 7 күн бұрын
Awesome presentation!
@Gam20_
@Gam20_ 18 күн бұрын
The partnership with WoT is really paying off with the cinematics, they look great! I hope there is more planned for the future.
@cissuperdroid
@cissuperdroid 18 күн бұрын
Agreed, the in-game simulation was the perfect visual aid for this scenario!
@mmkrk4071
@mmkrk4071 17 күн бұрын
Wargaming is a tool of putin's propaganda.
@thetankmuseum
@thetankmuseum 15 күн бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! 🙌
@nickmail7604
@nickmail7604 18 күн бұрын
It always boils down to one thing, and one thing only, which tank has the best crew.
@red_ed5715
@red_ed5715 18 күн бұрын
lmao brain dead comment
@thegamingdicks7928
@thegamingdicks7928 18 күн бұрын
Look at the battle of 73 easting. That statement is inaccurate. The American Abrams had thermal and infrared sights while the Iranian tanks had neither. And we all know how that went.
@afberglund2764
@afberglund2764 18 күн бұрын
Yes. Difficult to do comparison because of the users in the Iran-Irak war.
@nickmail7604
@nickmail7604 18 күн бұрын
@@afberglund2764 oh very, but I'm sure that whenwe (Im English) had withdrawn our instructors to the Iranian army in 1979 when the Shah was deposed had some affect, plus the numbnuts on both sides believed that crap that it didn't mind if you lose and die because you go to paradise and get 72 virgins. Be careful what you wish for, where I come from paradise is a a milk chocolate and coconut snack bar and mother Theresa was a virgin.
@karlsenula9495
@karlsenula9495 18 күн бұрын
... Or air support ... Tanks in modern doctrine are not supposed to operate with air and infantry support (they haven't basically since WWII).
@dawsonhealy4327
@dawsonhealy4327 14 күн бұрын
The touch of using World of Tanks to represent the battles is awesome.
@tarekmalaeb8229
@tarekmalaeb8229 18 күн бұрын
Thank you
@anselmdanker9519
@anselmdanker9519 16 күн бұрын
😊good presentation thank you.
@jeremyjones5436
@jeremyjones5436 14 күн бұрын
Remember the Challenger 1 was actually built for Iran before the revolution under the Shah but not delivered due to what happened hence the Chieftain had been realized as obsolete. Hence adopted by British army as paid for and later Britain ironing out the numerous faults before performing against Iraq in the desert that it was designed for.
@GARDENER42
@GARDENER42 18 күн бұрын
This is more a comparison of experience, training & tactics rather than the tanks themselves.
@bigsarge2085
@bigsarge2085 18 күн бұрын
Fascinating.
@dancing_odie
@dancing_odie 18 күн бұрын
I'm an American but I prefer the metric system when referring to anything military related. That's pretty much the only time tho
@shaider1982
@shaider1982 16 күн бұрын
I was thinking that the T62 has low depression would have made it bad at defense but the Iraqi crews were just better.
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz 18 күн бұрын
Cool to see new presenters! And I'm already looking forward to more in this series!
@derrickstorm6976
@derrickstorm6976 10 күн бұрын
Imagine calling a WW2 V8 a viable engine for the 1960's, in a tank 40% heavier than the original intended one
@derrickstorm6976
@derrickstorm6976 10 күн бұрын
Otherwise all and all a great video
@timf6916
@timf6916 18 күн бұрын
Good information
@minekrafines
@minekrafines 18 күн бұрын
Great video! Hoping to see how T-72s fair against Merkavas next
@CabbageFace_
@CabbageFace_ 17 күн бұрын
Great video! Really interesting
@thetankmuseum
@thetankmuseum 15 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@josephglatz25
@josephglatz25 9 күн бұрын
This sort of battle really kind of shows why Saddam wasn't bothered by the Coalition's technological advantages going into 1991.
@LegacyUser
@LegacyUser 18 күн бұрын
Great video. I always love the coldwar tanks.
@bob_the_bomb4508
@bob_the_bomb4508 18 күн бұрын
Only one of them has a BV. QED.
@MJG72a
@MJG72a 18 күн бұрын
Great to know about the presenters credentials. It is a shame that this same requirement is not applied to all the presenters.
@Sabelzahnmowe
@Sabelzahnmowe 8 күн бұрын
05:36 I am a bit confused by the statement about smoothbore and APFSDS. Smoothbore is better for firing fin stabilised rounds because fin rounds would "spin" out of control if they had to much of a "spin" imparted on them by the rifling. And the soviets went for the smoothbore because if you have a penetrator of a certain length to diamater ration you cant stabilise it in flight by spin stabilisation anymore. Because the spin would not stabilised but destabilise it. I mean there are other reasons for smoothbore, but as far as I know that is the main one? Am I missing something here?
@Sandhoeflyerhome
@Sandhoeflyerhome 12 сағат бұрын
Drove it first in 1968. The good thing, the power pack was easy to remove and replace ...
@namimainuwu
@namimainuwu 18 күн бұрын
Quick question regarding the armour penetration values mentioned at 5:55 Judging by the muzzle velocity mentioned in the video, I'd guess you are refering to either the 3BM-3 or 3BM-4 APFSDS rounds. How do you get to a penetration value of 228 mm? Is that at an angle or do you reference a different round I don't know? Or is this not aginast pure RHA? Because most sources I could find state between 270 to 300 mm at 1000 m an 0° on the 3BM-3 round thanks to it's tungsten tip and between 240 to 260 at 1000 m and 0° for 3BM-4 with the full steel dart. The T-62 also had access to the BK4-M HEAT-FS round with 440 mm of penetration against RHA at 0° - I'd call that quite deadly. Either way, great video and I love your work! :)
@trisjack82
@trisjack82 18 күн бұрын
Depends largely on the era or ordinance supplier, also there are different opinions on what the actual penn power of those old guns is, the soviet field manuals that are largely selected as a primary source have been proven to include misleading and outright incorrect info on machine and ordinance performance. see the BMP 1 field manual for example
@namimainuwu
@namimainuwu 18 күн бұрын
@@trisjack82 Thank you! 228 mm just seemed low to me, but since I am hardly an expert, I thought I'd ask :)
@stephenhunt2806
@stephenhunt2806 15 күн бұрын
An excellent and informative video about a little known tank battle (for me at any rate). This would be a good subject for the Osprey Duel series. However, I would suggest that the biggest post war tank battles were in the Sinai in the Yom Kippur War of 1973 and not seven years later in the Iran- Iraq War. It terms of future vidéos I would like to see an analysis of the Battle of Lake Qaraoun in the Lebanon in 1982, where the Israeli Merkava made its combat debut against the Syrian T72s.
@luvtruckin
@luvtruckin 16 күн бұрын
Paul always a great video when you’re the Commander. My take on this one is SUCKS being the Iranians but the British crews got a better tank afterwards.
@TomasFunes-rt8rd
@TomasFunes-rt8rd 15 күн бұрын
2:30 - Imagine how GRATEFUL this guy is that the turret ceilings DIDN'T turn out to be velcro coated....
@SMlFFY85
@SMlFFY85 17 күн бұрын
A case of "All the gear but no idea". The same thing would happen if Saudi Arabia fought in a conventional war with all the fancy western hardware they've accumulated over the years.
@N0d4chi
@N0d4chi 14 күн бұрын
I dont know, but if you get ambushed due to bad recon and decisions and you still inflict a 1to1 casualty rate or 1 to 2 with captures, thats pretty good comparitively
@danb4900
@danb4900 8 күн бұрын
Centurions were able to take out T-62s and T-55s in war previously, the Chieftain was a more sophisticated vehicle than the Centurion so I suspect soft factors were the main culprit. The Chieftain was a bit behind the curve and to see some of the presenters suggest that Chieftain was a match for the T-72 is baffling.
@donaldhill3823
@donaldhill3823 18 күн бұрын
This doesn’t really tell us much about either tank. Instead it points out that leadership & training can overcome technical superiority of an opponents equipment. Pretty much the same lesson the French learned in WW2. They had great tanks but the crews lacked proper training & their leaders were fighting the wrong war.
@AnthonyBrown12324
@AnthonyBrown12324 9 күн бұрын
nice presentation
@meme4one
@meme4one 18 күн бұрын
Most interesting video put out recently, thank you! As a side note, I expect back then British tank crews and tax payers were told how much better our kit was than Boris's kit. Same probably happens today 😮
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