Childhood indoctrination into religion induces psychological trauma - Darrel Ray

C/W: brief discussion of child rape
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Today I spoke with Dr. Darrel Ray, the founder of the non-profit organizations Recovering from Religion and The Secular Therapy Project.
We touched on many topics, including:
• How a profound understanding of anthropology, sociology, and psychology deeply affect our view of the world and ourselves.
• Understanding how the topics of sexuality, fear of hell/Armageddon, and social isolation create intense trauma for those who are leaving their religion.
• Realizing that Christianity is just another form of ancestor worship.
• Understanding how childhood indoctrination into religion can induce immense trauma.
• The importance of healthily working through the freedom and new choices that arise post-deconversion.
• Unraveling the shame and guilt that are prevalent in religions.
• The importance of knowing and being comfortable with your own self sexually and to embrace eroticism of your body and mind.
• Understanding that Christians are addicted to the "spiritual porn" of their fantasy worldview, where they are more in love with their fantasy world than with the reality of this world.
Many thanks to Dr. Ray for sharing his story and amazing insights with us today!
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Ending music by Eyal Raz, "Friends"
• Friends
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[@JamesRichardWiley]

Tell me about it. Religion is literally a separate reality which forces the brain to accept self cancelling contradictions.

[@Venusbabe66]

That's probably why we atheists look at all these ultra religious people and notice that it's their innate sense of humanity that is hijacked and missing and becomes conditional.

[@Zeus-dw1cx]

Reject Facts, substitute Fairy Tales

[@dharmaqueen7877]

There is only one reality. The problem is filling in the blanks where we don't have direct knowledge, and it is rare to find someone who doesn't. People who are awarded nonsense labels like "scientist" do it all the time and call it theory. Just like their ecclesiastical counterparts they don't like people who don't believe their theories.

[@Zeus-dw1cx]

@@dharmaqueen7877 Education is wasted on the people who only read one book, written by goat herder's.

[@Venusbabe66]

@dharmaqueen7877 Yeah, but at least scientists do it in the service of seeking the truth, as in, the scientific method is just simply a TOOL to help humans understand more - and when more is understood then there is no problem with agreement about the new knowledge by all. Whereas religion is in the service of... 🤷‍♀️ manipulation, control, indoctrination tax-free $$$ and plugging in the holes science just hasn't dealt with yet with mythology and a curtain around the Wizards who still hide the lies they've peddled for millennia.

[@williamwilson6499]

The original groomers. Targeting children has been a tactic for centuries.

[@jerrycallender7604]

...which is required for ALL religious cults to survive.

[@gjmottet]

His story about his dog is very relatable. As a rat lover, I have totally seen the God complex in rats. They watch you and will do all sort of things to get you give them treats and attention. They develop repetitive behaviors shortly before feeding times that I describe as rattie prayers. Rats naturally, very social and live in groups, and are very easy to train. Once one in a group learns something many of the others will pick up the behavior. A dog looks up to you, a cat looks down on you, and a rat treats you like a God.

[@pigmanobvious]

That’s Churchill’s quote. Except he said only a pig will look you in the eye as an equal.

[@ancientflames]

@@pigmanobviousfunny because of the Greek myths about pigs being men turned into swine by Circe? Forget the goddess.

[@lisakinoti1839]

In other words, the dog thinks you are God but the cat thinks it is god.

[@thestaciesmompodcast]

2:30:30 “the truth is incredibly threatening to a culture that is built on lies” WOW! I could listen to Dr Darrel Ray talk for hours on end! I loved everything about this interview… he is a wealth of knowledge. I learned so much from this! Thank you, Tim!!!

[@dharmaqueen7877]

It's not a new thought

[@KeanuReevesIsMyJesus]

This topic needs to be discussed more often. Thanks for having Dr. Darrel Ray on.

[@pechaa]

In defense of HOMESCHOOLING: The practice itself isn't inherently harmful. In fact, if you're referencing human history and natural history to better understand best practices as you do, you might notice that compulsory institutional schooling is a pretty new experiment. It is associated with a lot of bullying by some peers, teachers, and administrators, often entrenched poor pedagogy, and poor educational outcomes except in areas where parents are well-educated and so help their children learn. I am an atheist homeschooling parent. I know many homeschooling families in my community -- both religious and irreligious -- who focus on raising healthy, happy, well-informed, responsible citizens of the real world.

[@stm345]

Darrel is a personal friend and one of my favorite people😊

[@layneyancey4619]

Thanks so much for yet another great interview, Dr. Darrel Ray. Thank you Tim for having him on! This was great!!!

[@andre1901]

Podcast of the year! Everyone should see this. Finally, biological sense!

[@buddy.boyo88]

don't be sad that it happened, be glad that you made it !

[@Scorned405]

Dr Ray is incredible. This is one of the best episodes of Harmonic Atheist

[@thatcarguy1UZ]

I haven't had time to actually watch this video because of its length, so I probably won't get to it until this weekend. However, just from the title alone, I can totally affirm that. I was born Catholic, so I literally was indoctrinated from birth. Between that and eventually converting from Catholicism to evangelicalism, I can say that from the earliest conscious moments of my life, being afraid of hell, and a vengeful schizophrenic God traumatized me and created dysfunctions in me that still persist to this day as I approach 50 years old.

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

I've met Dr. Ray personally; what a joy to hear him on one of my favorite channels helping to break the shackles of the religious mind-virus. I find it fascinating that tribal cultures experience their ancestors the same way Christians think they feel Jesus.

[@HarmonicAtheist]

Thank you!! And please feel free to reach out if you'd ever consider an interview yourself: facebook.com/harmonictim

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

@@HarmonicAtheist I'm not the most exciting atheist in the world, but I'm a preacher's kid from a rather bizarre church.

[@meteor1237]

At now 71 yo I can attest my mother did this to her 3 children she thought it was the right thing; I broke out at 50 yo after much critical thinking. My sister didn’t and indoctrinated her son who now wastes his life as a youth minister bless him. It is traumatic for a child. I was so afraid I would go to hell. So wrong!

[@davidrexford586]

And the love of many shall grow cold.. it’s heartbreaking seeing so many give up so easily.. shall I give up too? I have been a believer in God for over 40 years and have seen too many miracles and have had too many miraculous experiences in such a way that there is no turning back. Its not even that bad yet but the hard days are indeed coming our way and you most likely will see even more people give up and give in.

[@patrick764]

@@davidrexford586if you enjoy your fables, good for you. The rest of us are glad to have gotten out of that nonsense.

[@drzaius844]

@@davidrexford586you should follow the evidence, and lay off the Bible, it is demonstrably false.

[@davidrexford586]

@@drzaius844I should lay off the Bible because you tell me so? You don’t have that type of power over me to demand I think like you.

[@drzaius844]

@@davidrexford586 you asked the question buddy. Maybe stop asking questions if you don’t want an answer.

[@_S0me__0ne]

One of the things I've had a difficult time dealing with since stopping believing in god, Christianity, or religions in general, is anger with myself and my mother. On one hand I realize it's not either my or my mother's fault. She was indoctrinated and looking for answers and had needs. I wanted to please her and didn't know any better. But, all the while my father was angry about my beliefs and it made our relationship very strained. He'd frequently point out it was indoctrination and brainwashing. My parents divorced when I was young. My mother primarily raised me. I was 'born again' when I was 10. His agnostic-atheism and anger issues - along with verbal and emotional abuse - made it easy to discount what he had to say. But he was right all along. The irony that nearly forty years later I became an agnostic-atheist, but he's got dementia, so bringing it up is pointless. Thankfully we were able to get to a better place in our relationship prior to him showing signs of dementia. Meanwhile I've barely talked to my mother in the past year or so precisely because she's still a fundamentalist Christian. And I was pretty close with her for a very long time.

[@JohnT.4321]

My story is different except for the indoctrination part which my aunt did and got me to go to one of them holy roller churches. A lot of hellfire and brimstone, being left behind at the Rapture and warnings of the unpardonable sin. The last one that cause me the most tramma thinking I did it. It took a long time for me to get over that. I said goodbye to Christianity a long time ago and taken up art which is very therapeutic.

[@bonlevina5621]

How sad your mother must be.

[@_S0me__0ne]

@@bonlevina5621 Not my problem. So, what, I'm supposed to try harder to believe again to please her so she won't be sad?! People get disappointed in others, even family, all the time. To base our actions always on not trying to disappoint or make others sad is wrong.

[@pechaa]

@@bonlevina5621 I'm so disappointed in you. 😮

[@pechaa]

@@_S0me__0ne I sympathize with your situation. Thank you for sharing. Best wishes to you.

[@adrianpintea9675]

We are still calibrating our brains to our bodies and environment until we die. :)

[@aestroai8012]

Darrel's cool. I'm listening to this in the middle of the night. I admit that the major religions have used sex, and fear to control mankind. In particular Jesus is a template for a perfect man, but like the Buddha he doesn't enter the human circle. In other words, aside from alternative stories he never has sexual relations. This platonic ideal is against nature and most can't follow it. Fortunately, the philosophical hierarchy and family trauma was more of the reason I avoided sex than the horrors of bad religious leaders. Very good interview Harmonic Atheist. I wish you happiness in the future for you and the kids mate.

[@robinhood20253]

Dr. Darrel Ray is awesome.

[@Ronnymikkonen2686]

It's fantastic listen to Dr. Darrel Ray. And Tim Mills. I have listen to you for years. Great education.

[@zach2980]

What a wealth of knowledge! Probably the perfect interview guest for the topics of your channel Tim.

[@kevinbalmer-dw2ms]

You two have great chemistry and this interview is phenomenal. I really hope there is a part 2 to this one! 👍👍

[@salt1956]

I abstained from sex until marriage as I believed I would go to Hell. In fact, a lot of things I did or didn't do as a Christian was motivated by the fear of Hell.

[@Chris-sv5ic]

This channel is like free therapy for post-deconversion religion trauma.

[@RandyAndy7373]

Great interview🎉. My heartfelt Thank you Tim for the work you invest. One can feel your energy and commitment from afar. I am still a Catholic. But its always fun and moreover very insightful watching you🎉😂🎉 Keep it up....🌻

[@HarmonicAtheist]

Thank you so much, Randy!! I really appreciate your support.

[@jmg1505]

Great interview!! I like his explanation of “shortcuts” we use. It always irritated me when people say” I’m praying for you.” I always though it was a cop out.

[@DarkWizardPrince]

This was excellent! I learned so much from this episode. Great conversation. Thank you.

[@shannonmeshbane]

Christianity is absolutely shame based. Obvious guilt based as well. I was raised Catholic, and sexual shame runs deep. Let’s not get this confused.

[@timothymulholland7905]

Great interview! Thank you. Darrel is exceptional.

[@coreybarnett7785]

I am a Christian Minister, who also teaches Sunday School watching this. Tim, you have me interested every single time I watch your videos such as this, it is interesting. Yet, it is hard to grasp the idea that Christianity is mythology, and that is it and nothing more (as far as Christianity).

[@HarmonicAtheist]

I definitely get it! MythVision is great place to start with for now, and I'll be publishing several large projects, hopefully starting this year, where I talk about the mythology behind the Bible. I hope I can be of help as that eventually comes to fruition. Best wishes on your journey and research.

[@coreybarnett7785]

@@HarmonicAtheist sounds good 👍 By the way, I have been following Mythvision around the same time I started following your channel. Both of you have interesting topics concerning our belief systems.

[@KeanuReevesIsMyJesus]

⁠@@coreybarnett7785it’s great that you’re open minded on what they have to say. What’s your opinion on the psychological trauma Christianity can put on someone?

[@coreybarnett7785]

@@KeanuReevesIsMyJesus I believe it can traumatizing if one teaches Christianity from a fear aspect. I know my Pastor encourages us to teach with love and compassion vs manipulation and control. Big difference.

[@KeanuReevesIsMyJesus]

@@coreybarnett7785 do you believe hell is a form of eternal conscious torment? Do you believe even taught in a loving way, that idea can be traumatizing?

[@lizhoward9754]

Tim’s analogy of the Christ fantasy vs. porn fantasy was spot on. These “Christian” fundies spend their whole lives ignoring the person right in front of them for the Christ fantasy. It is sad because you realize they are ignoring real life for a pipe dream. So, Dr Ray talking about the Catholic woman reminded me of myself. I was raised mainstream Catholic with a Jewish father. I suffered no religious trauma and am considered a very liberal, open minded person but after watching this episode I see how my Catholic upbringing has impacted me. So much of what he said rings true

[@ancientflames]

Got a 4 on the test thought it was no big deal and saw just a 4/10 has some crazy side effects for health, both physical and mental. And I gotta say, it’s decently accurate for how general it is.

[@layneyancey4619]

Where is the test again?

[@ancientflames]

@@layneyancey4619just look up ACE test

[@fatemeetsluck]

This guest is so strangely relatable, considering my own story

[@Teejaye1100]

Oh my goodness, I can’t listen to Dr.Ray all day!! He reminds me of that cool uncle who you can talk to about anything. He hit on so many good points during this interview. The church has people living in virtual reality and doesn’t tap into the real world. Dam, this was so so good. I have to get some of his books now, well done Tim!!

[@enaroos4608]

Wonderful and educational video. The crack in the cosmic egg...WOW!! Thanks to you both.

[@rebanx1]

Wonderful guest and discussion....thanks for this, I learned a lot from it.

[@evangelicalsnever-lie9792]

Oh yeah, childhood indoctrination is horrid and devastating. Wrecks lives

[@user-qg9ck9de8d]

Thank you The video title is an understatement.❤

[@scofah]

Another great conversation. They're all so good!

[@billiuminoakland]

In second grade, I drew a picture of a hand, holding a very slender thread over raging flames. At the end of the thread was a spider. The hand belonged to God and I was the spider. In my mind, all it took was one false move, and Jehovah would drop me into that fire - FOR ALL ETERNITY! 60 years later, I still find it challenging to completely divest myself of that toxic belief system.

[@bentesch6739]

Were you reading "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" by Jonathan Edwards in second grade? I haven't read it in forever, but I think he uses the same imagery. What a thing to believe that young... I grew up with it too, although the concept wasn't as concrete or vivid in my mind as it must have been for you. I do remember being concerned about going to hell if I accidentally cursed god when I was younger.

[@billiuminoakland]

@@bentesch6739 Actually I had never heard of that essay until you mentioned it in your comments. Upon a relatively quick scanning of the text, though, it seems to align fairly accurately with the fire-and - brimstone dogmas and indoctrinations that I was brought up with.

[@user-md6qw6qc9r]

This was an excellent interview. Cracking the cosmic egg. Love it!

[@martinelzen5127]

Thank you both so, so much!

[@exvangelicarol5336]

I never got married, not even engaged.... I think our culture over-values long term monogamous relationships. It's great if that is what folks want... but plz, let's stop shaming when it doesn't last forever! My friends and family got married, then they got divorced. Relationships don't Fail.... they just End. And folks can move on to another chapter of life.🥰

[@exvangelicarol5336]

37:15 "I'm not Struggling with my sexuality, I'm Experiencing my sexuality!" Wow. The way that religion made us despise and fear our own natural humanity is so unfair. Getting free from religion and finally embracing our humanity and enjoying our bodies is so exciting.😊🥰

[@kendalbrenneman]

I had an idea and want to let you know before I forget (I'm multitasking right now). I know it's more work, but have you thought about making shorter clips of each interview? They're very long but maybe you could post bits and pieces of them, 5-10 minutes or so, just some of your favourite parts of the interview, a specific question and answer, etc.

[@pechaa]

I agree! You could also post the complete long-form interviews in parallel. It's just that they can be so overwhelming that often I don't even start. I greatly appreciate the depth and wholeness of a really long interview like this or like those on Mormon Stories Podcast, but even so my day is more suited to the shorter bits.

[@karelgott2610]

Celibacy is the biggest perversion? My inner asexual strongly disagrees. By the way I hoped the talk would be focused primarily on childhood indoctrination and not on sex.

[@d.c.603]

I agree…found myself thinking about Brave New World’s chapter 3 with the children playing sexual games in the bushes. Aldous Huxley was not a Christian, so the indoctrination charge with coming from a Christian cannot be laid at his door. It would not be a pleasant sight to have a child humping an adults or anyone else’s legs like dog. Being focused on sex early has repercussions. There are non-Christian pedophiles who think children want their attention. I think our focus needs to be on protecting children’s innocence. A Randy adult has made their choice…have a voice to use such as I am hearing in this interview. Children don’t have that choice.

[@Venusbabe66]

I must say, this is what I thought about too, when I heard that statement about celibacy! I immediately thought, "What about people who are asexual?" It seemed extremely judgemental to say that without qualification regarding the range of natural human sexual expression. Not everyone, religious or not, have the same levels of sexual desire. I thought the old adage of, "as long as both people in a couple agree about the frequency of sexual intimacy, then there's no problem" still applies? I'd love to know the Dr's views on this topic and whether it was just an oversight.

[@user-wb2yv7ll9d]

Being sex-positive is important as long as it doesn't become an addiction.

[@ruporter9834]

my favorite new channel

[@kathrynyoung3362]

Wonderful episode! I definitely feel that I, and many of the people I grew up with, were traumatized by religion. I was homeschooled like you, Tim. Young earth creationist parents, and a pastor for a father.

[@raymondtaylor6049]

Mary had a little lamb she also had some trauma, and everywhere that Mary went, the trauma followed, too. And though the lamb was white as snow, it stuck to her like glue, and by and by, they both got lost, and neither had a clue.

[@johnendalk6537]

This guy's story pretty much aligns with mine. I got out at age 22 but still traumatized

[@karlu8553]

Fantastic, thank you

[@kendalbrenneman]

Heck yeah, I want to be "that aunt."

[@disneybunny45]

My ex has a lot of guilt around sex. A month or so before we broke up, he decided that he would be abstinent and practiced his catholic faith more. We were each other's first, so neither of us knew much. But I way more comfortable with sex than he was; he would never masturbate and usually the only time I orgasmed was when I masturbated alone. I had some medical problems that resulted in penetration not being pleasurable and sometimes painful. And my ex would get frustrated when I didn't want sex. His guilt about sex somewhat rubbed off on me, but I could never be so ashamed to abstain completely like him. I realized that our beliefs (not just about sex) weren't compatible so I had to break up with him after 2 years. I loved him but I was not happy.

[@user-bc7qs8dm6q]

I was dunked at 8 in a baptist missionary in Japan (dad was in the Air Force) and was kicked out the following Easter when I started crying uncontrollably because Jesus failed, in dying for our sins, even at 8 I could recognize that people were sinning constantly. Since then I’ve realized that when it comes to any religion I have no faith.

[@sunnyday6465]

Interesting guest. What happened to discerning the difference between pornography and erotica? I personally think pornography should be illegal but not erotica. There are certainly grey areas but the worst would be eliminated or at least harder to find and hopefully out of reach of children. I am not Christian nor was i raised that way. It is men, according to research that want sexual novelty. Think of gay men vs gay women. Tim, I don't think this man is a good role model. He makes some accurate points but some of what he says is not correct as he says it. There are some animals that humans have NEVER seen mating. Chimps and bonobos have lost territory and are watched all the time by researchers. Some of them never have any kind of privacy. Some human cultures regularly once sacrificed their own people and slavery was all too common. I think perhaps that is our nature, why have we begun repressing this. We should rediscover this about ourselves. Personally i feel that what goes on between consenting adults is their business. But what I admire is a couple that have been together for a long time and are still happy.

[@HarmonicAtheist]

There was not time to dive into all aspects of this conversation, but I'd agree with some of what you wrote. There are definitely more angles to see this from, more nuances, and more viewpoints to consider. I'd like to think of it as a starting point. I'll be having this topic come back up on the channel before long.

[@EmmaElaineN]

At the age of 15, in 1968, while on spring break from high school, I spent it reading In the Shadow of Man (yes, I was a very introverted nerd). It was one of the biggest literary influences in my life.

[@DarqueSyde66]

I have masturbated for as long as I can remember. My earliest memories are sexual in nature. There has never been a time in my life that I didn’t have sexual urges. Even as a very young, preteen boy. I was always acutely aware of women and their bodies. I have always known that I could never be monogamous. I have the perfect partner who also can’t be monogamous. She is so amazing and I am the happiest I have ever been. If you have not heard of the word compersion, check it out. Great job, you two!

[@59master60]

I didn’t know whether to take this comment seriously or not

[@scha74m45]

@@59master60SAME here! That is just beyond normal. I don’t wanna be judgmental but it sounds like coming from a PERVERT. 🙂‍↔️🙂‍↔️ Peace!✌🏿😵‍💫

[@Scorned405]

I wonder what Dr Ray thinks about no fap? There’s supposed to be all this research that chronic masturbation can deplete the dopamine levels in the brain and can be unhealthy. There’s a woman named Dr Trish Lee who is really into not looking at porn and masturbating. Of course she’s probably racking in the revenue from her movement. Yet what I’m interested in is Dr Rays views on the dopamine levels in the brain being deleted from masturbation

[@FoursWithin]

Chronic masturbation and masturbation are really two different things. Chronic sex with a partner (10 times a day for two months straight?) would equal the same outcome without masturbating a single time. Low dopamine isn't a sin and it won't kill you. If someone has an addiction they need to address it. But addiction is addiction. And sex is a primal biological drive. We're sex machines.

[@Mirrorgirl492]

Why does it have to be a dichotomy between too much masturbation and none at all? Surely if one can masturbate without fear or guilt, then it will happen organically, maybe two, three times a week, maybe more , maybe not at all. Religious people are so hung up. It's your body, do with it what you wish.

[@normbale2757]

Kids ought to sue.

[@travisbrown9546]

Great job!!!!

[@vidhead85]

I would like to look into the possibility of sharing my story on your channel. Not sure how to reach out other than this

[@billguthrie2218]

Have you climbed Mt Rainier or Adams in Washington state?

[@valerielevey1571]

Can you Tim recommend any further reading on this topic?

[@drzaius844]

If people, my kids or my nieces and nephew, want to be Christian, without the threat of eternal punishment, I’m ok with it. My kids don’t believe, and I’m grateful that we share similar values of civil rights and compassion towards others, without the warped perspective of the Bible. My nephew is a youth pastor but he is super cool and nonjudgmental so I’m fine with how he practices his faith. Not that he would change, but just to say that I’m ok with liberal, “humanist” theism. Or should I say Christian’s who actually act like Christ, which is unfortunately rare.

[@FoursWithin]

You might want to look into what Christ actually says and supports outside of the feel good cherry picking so common with Christians. Christians who act like Christ would be supporting slavery, superstition, and cult ideology.

[@chewyjello1]

Someone really needs to explain asexuality to this guy. Also if you are in a marriage and you and your partner and perfectly happy with sex once a month or less, that is ALSO perfectly normal and okay.

[@jokich6379]

Sometimes in relationships, possessiveness and jealousy creeps in. Relationships do carry these types of reactions. Do not know quite if that is just a cultural phenomenon or a tribal/pheromonal response?? Should attachments be seen as a normal survival and tribal response?

[@jokich6379]

Was/am a JW. Cleaned. Put Jehovah first. On the “ark” that takes us into a paradise after the great tribulation and Armageddon. That was the “reality”. Do you have any idea of how difficult life can be? If the script was written to understand your needs, talents, and abilities- allow that to become the map to figure out how to get on board with a real life in a real world. Do not feel pissed but still feel it is impossible to get out of the rut. Therapy out of the question. Did try a bit in association with trying to work with vocational rehabilitation. And mentioned the cult-like experience.

[@Michael-cb3uw]

Bro was born again at 38 im bummed out and feeling useless in my 20s, I gotta be more like Unc!!!

[@psikeyhackr6914]

Immunize children with science fiction. My mother sent me to a Catholic elementary school. But I stumbled across science fiction in 4th grade. My mother called it "something crazy". I ignored her. I decided that I was an agnostic in 7th grade. Unfortunately people think *Star Wars* is science fiction these days. *Omnilingual* by H Beam Piper *Deathworld* by Harry Harrison *The Mote in God's Eye* by Niven and Pournelle Raise the quality of kids reading material. Aren't kids the future? Science Fiction is future oriented not Shakespeare.

[@FoursWithin]

Star wars is soap opera in space.

[@psikeyhackr6914]

@@FoursWithin Space Fantasy!

[@Venusbabe66]

Star Wars IS literally science fiction! What are you talking about?

[@psikeyhackr6914]

@@Venusbabe66 Read a Real SF book to find out. *A Fall of Moondust* by Arthur C Clarke

[@noracola5285]

​@@Venusbabe66Where's the science?

[@Sealust50]

This guy could talk until he's blue in the face about using and leaning on porn when you're married to a woman and the idea that everything would be fine with that or at least should be, but any woman will tell you that if her husband did in fact depend on porn to get "satisfied" sexually, she will be greatly offended by that because her thought process will be "so now my husband is incapable of being satisfied by me - I am now not enough or good enough to accomplish that any longer". Believe you me, that will bring a humongous amount of insult and hurt into that marriage. I am speaking here from my own personal experience as a once married woman of 18 years.

[@donaldlawson1334]

Wow, 777 likes… must be a sign

[@pigmanobvious]

I began to lose my faith after my little brother got killed at the age of 22. He was living with his girlfriend at the time ie “living in sin” which according to Catholic beliefs is a mortal sin dooming one to hell. I was horrified at that thought and the injustice of it all and just like that my faith was gone. Truth be told it felt like a great weight had been lifted from me. Through study and common sense I came to understand that hell was created to control people. Now during these increasingly secular times the devil does not work as effectively so our lords and masters had to come up with something else to keep the masses in line. Climate change.

[@FoursWithin]

How exactly does climate change keep anyone " in line " ?

[@pigmanobvious]

@@FoursWithin are you kidding me? Go green or the world will die! It’s all bullshit. Of course the climate is changing it is always changing and always has and always will be. 10000 years ago the North American continent was covered in ice. Who caused that? Cave men? All designed to get votes to keep the left in power so they can continue to get rich and fuck the rest of us over. Are you better off today than you were four years ago?

[@Mirrorgirl492]

Wrong. They are using people's fears and prejudices against everyone, to keep people in line. Climate change is an actual thing, and believing otherwise is probably due to the enormous amount of money the Mining and Oil Industries have put into convincing folks to be anti-science.

[@noracola5285]

​@@FoursWithin by using the harsh conditions to force scarcity and austerity measures to promote poverty, desperation, and suffering, to keep the population trapped in a profit machine for a handful of ultra-rich families? I'm just guessing. The ruling class really is that capricious. Hopefully this person isn't seriously suggesting that climate change isn't real, or that climate scientists across the world, from all different economic systems, all have a shared interest in lying to protect those wealth-hoarding parasites on humanity. That would be dumber than being a Christian.

[@maryannbroadbridge1119]

Interesting video. He is so randy for an old dude. He keeps returning to the topic of pornography, which is kind of distracting, because we can't help but picture him at his computer...kind of gross. With that said, I did learn a few things.

[@bernardofitzpatrick5403]

I only thought of him looking at porn when you wrote about it.. I was zeroed in on what he had to say about de-conversion , deprogramming, desensitisation from trauma ,how hormones influence our behaviour and the BS propagated by Christianity. 😊 I do find the often secretive and closeted sexual behaviour of some religious , abhorrent , especially when it involves minors. Any child abuse must be legally punished. This man speaks candidly and professionally about sex and to judge him to be in contravention of culture-bound societal norms , when he is presumably not harming but professionally and legally helping, seems wrong minded. Just my opinion.

[@bernardofitzpatrick5403]

Enjoyed the honesty and realism inherent in this man’s demeanour and his ability to de-shame what is natural to us as human beings. Like your take on the religious fantasy world as being a perverted religious version of “naughty” literature or images.

[@James-ms2mx]

I have to say that his ideas of sex and relationships doesn’t seem very healthy. Especially in this society. He talked about the society where the woman would have sex with three or four men so they would all feel responsible for her child. This society seems to have the total opposite

[@FoursWithin]

Clearly this is filtered through your particular perception of how an older person SHOULD behave and speak

[@noracola5285]

Idk no judgement but he does come off a little fixated to me. Time and place. Read the room. Etc.

[@dkMansell96]

Not sure of any Baptists that baptize more than once. None of the southern baptists I’ve ever known have been. Maybe it’s s northern thing?

[@heatherclark8668]

You are right. I was a Baptist and the idea is that people make a decision of their own free will to become baptised when they are old enough to understand

[@user-bw7jv1td3e]

How long did it take you to figure that shit out? I was seven.

[@dharmaqueen7877]

Indoctrination is just teaching and is not limited to "religion". Teaching a child anything they are incapable of knowing by experience (creationism, evolution, resurrection, space travel etc...) is indoctrination.

[@DrPhilGoode]

“Indoctrinate” has not meant that since the 1800s. To Indoctrinate has meant to brainwash for hundreds of years as it does in this video.

[@bonlevina5621]

Sorry about your experience. Was not that way for me, man. I was happy to know that there was someone who was strong and capable of giving me His strength. Five years old and learned about Jesus. Went home with spiritual back up to say no to the males who were sexually abusing me. The church was my functional family.

[@bryanfitz9532]

Is religious thinking the same as limerence?

[@noracola5285]

I see it as closer to addiction.

[@realhealthrealwealth]

3 some 2 other men or 2 other women 🤔 It goes both ways.

[@jackschitt6235]

Close to 3 hours is way too long for me for a boobtube BUTT how did KZbin "know" that I might be interested in this sort of thing? I was in a restaurant recently and couldn't help but overhearing what was happening next to me. Long story shortER a guy was with his daughter and the parents are divorced. (At least that was my impression based on what I saw and heard). He's telling the younger girl what's wrong with Catholic beliefs and practices. Presumably his daughter's mother is a practicing catholic. He is a gung-ho Christian but of course he wants his daughter following his group's Christian stuff and NOT the mother's catholic stuff...poor kid! Thee end

[@kwatness]

Christianity may have caused an actual trauma-bondng to Jesus.🤔

[@HarmonicAtheist]

Agreed, for sure.

[@exvangelicarol5336]

44:08. DR: You have been deeply programmed into xtian ideology. TM: It's my First language! 😖 😩💔❤‍🩹 so glad the kids won't have that experience!