China’s Coal Lie - We Went to China’s Largest Coal Mine

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[@scienceandmatter8739]

LESCO PRENDEN FROM GERMANY EUROPE

[@GTAIVman]

You guys are awesome, and your work is amazing. Never stop being awesome!!

[@112deeps]

CCP tried to create false red flag on India's coal supply & electricity - & nada CCP falls flat

[@markvogel5872]

3:11....proof of bird!!!! He hopefully is pooping on Mao's head as revenge for his brethren being murdered.

[@ismaelgoldsteck5974]

What's in his mouth?

[@4is67]

I lived in China for many years, and I can say this. These guys have seen, experienced, and know about China more than most Chinese people I met in China. Thank you for great contents exposing the real China.

[@Love_N_Let_Live]

To really learn a place, you must explore everything and spend time amongst every people. Most people don't ever do that, even in their own state/country. They hang out with the same people and do limited activities.

[@Ebani]

Julian Assange could say the same about the US

[@songcramp66]

​@@Ebani Whataboutism, here's your 5 cents.

[@Ebani]

@@songcramp66 You're certainly the expert 👌

[@4is67]

@@Love_N_Let_Live Yes I agree, and I can see those guys do exactly what you say. They even have Chinese wifves.

[@brantfredrickson4766]

Thanks for the video. In 1997 I spent a week in Fushin in the winter. Everything is covered in gray coal dust: the buildings, the sidewalk, the sky! I stayed in a brand new hotel and my pillow smelled like coal dust. I've read stories about London England in the 1800's where they burned coal for heat. Fushin was like a trip back in time! Thanks again.

[@LiveWell6]

China has promised the world that its CO2 emissions will peak in 2030. So to game the system, China is rushing to add as much coal power before 2030 so that they have a high baseline CO2 output level that they can show themselves improving against in the following years.

[@tonystanley5337]

Yeah right, that's why they are having power cuts and taking people coal based heating and cooking away. They maybe corrupt idiots but they really don't care what the rest of us think. The only way is to stop buying stuff made in China.

[@Tonyx.yt.]

yeah sure, china has promised lmao... never ever trust what CCP told you, because international agencies are not allowed to gets data in china, you must relied on chinese sources and all we know how CCP work

[@afrosheenix]

@@tonystanley5337 good point but consider the flip side. If the west outsourced all the dirty work to China, it's easy to say hey look how clean Sweden is. Of course Sweden is clean, their stuff is made in China. Same goes for everyone else. The Chinese finger trap has always been "we'll make it for less". Half that equation is slave labor, the other half is zero eco controls. It simply costs more to build things with skilled labor and environmental controls in place. Sadly, nobody seemed to learn the most crucial lesson of the pandemic. Every country should retain a percentage of native production for critical items (food, medicines, building materials). Outsourcing everything got us into this broken global supply chain mess that threatens all but one economy on this planet.

[@nocensorship8092]

Smart

[@peao010109]

Maybe.

[@A.C._Taylor]

I live in the foothills of the Alberta Rockies in West-Central Alberta. This video really resonates with me. How so you ask? Well our provincial government initially rescinded a 1976 coal mining ban back in 2020. The 1976 ban prohibited any new coal mining leases for the Eastern slopes of the Alberta Rockies. Just look at Sparwood, British Columbia, to see why most Albertans oppose these mines. It has been brought to light that the coal mining companies that were instrumental in coercing the government to rescind the ban, were Australian based, shell companies that are Chinese owned. Which means that the coal would be exported to China. The lift of the ban was quickly overturned when word got out about this. Since then, they have sneakily been trying to lift the bans through a backdoor system, which has largely gone unnoticed. The only people that are aware are mainly the landowners that border these proposed leases. They were promising that the environmental impact was going to be so minimal that you would barely notice the mountains being turned inside out. Well my property borders on one of these proposed mining leases. The leases all overshadow the Eastern watershed of the Rockies. It is made up of huge swamp lands known as muskeg. It is a major part of the filtration system for all water that runs Eastward across most of Canada. The muskeg fields are very sensitive to disruptions and take a long time to heal from any damage they sustain. Then there are countless, more localized environmental impacts that I, as a fifth generation Albertan, do not want to have happen in his backyard. I would have less problem with coal mining if it was hard rock, underground operations, but this is simply not the case. And I have serious doubts about the promises of reclamation, which would not start until at least 25 years after a lease opens up. I will end this by saying that no coal leases will be operating in my area... No matter what... The Alberta government and Chinese government can go F*** their hats if they think otherwise.

[@kknig7874]

One frieghter every 3 days leave to China full of coal, port of Vancouver is the larget exporter of Coal.

[@brucetownsend691]

Land reclamation promises are a scam. The coal mining operation takes the coal, distributes the profits to shareholders as they go and when the time comes to do the land reclamation it has no money. In some cases, it will be said that the company is putting aside money into a trust fund as they go but this is either just a lie or the amount being put aside is tiny compared to the actual cost of reclamation. There are many examples of this in Australia. The mining company is allowed to do that because “it creates jobs”. It does not matter what nationality the shareholders are - it’s standard practice to privatise profits and socialise losses.

[@BladePro2021]

@@brucetownsend691 have you ever been on an reclaimed coal mine in Alberta instead of repeating untruths from so called environmentalist's? In alberta the reclamation plan has to be submitted in the original permit after extensive enviromental studies where every plant and animal habitat has to be identified so it can be returned to its natural state or better. There is also a lot of money paid out by the company , Ive never seen one company that didnt do reclamation and forfeited the millions it has paid out. i can show you reclaimed mine areas that you wouldnt know its not natural. I have seen thousands of hectares of land that is way better in animal habitat and plant growth then it was before ,

[@brucetownsend691]

@@BladePro2021 Try going to the Hunter Valley in New South Wales Australia or in other coal mining areas.

[@brownbear1657]

As an Albertan do you think the Alberta NDP will be more likely to stop it than Kenney?

[@MM-sf3rl]

“It’s not that polluted”. You just cannot see the C02. That’s often the issues in “seeing” pollution.

[@MM-sf3rl]

@@jacobs4545 How about a test tube

[@douglasberg2881]

Co2 isn't really pollution.

[@peterrevens8454]

CO2 is NOT pollution. It's plant food. And does NOT cause global warming.

[@admthrawnuru]

Burning coal doesn't just produce CO2. If you had any actual experience there, you'd know what they are talking about.

[@peterrevens8454]

@@admthrawnuru M M implied that CO2 is pollution. That's why some of us commented. And yes, burning coal does pollute. Radioactive pollution is actually one of the results.

[@thenormanfair]

I'm surprised the CCP didn't block Australian coal by saying they found covid on it.

[@mgraemem]

HA!

[@Layniebird1776]

Lol good one

[@vinsontan25]

I'm surprised the CCP didnt block Australian coal by saying Australia is treating China with funny suspicion, forming intl alliances to counter her growth, while gladly taking China's money.

[@tharrrrrrr]

@@vinsontan25 Part of that international alliance is with the US, so why has the CCP not also banned US coal? This is just more stupid "face" crap.

[@Dave5843-d9m]

China banned Australian coal thinking the Aussies would give in. Australia simply said bring it on and now China is freezing over.

[@paulmcmillan533]

I love how you guys keep bringing us amazing footage from a safe place. Stunning drone footage as always. U know the drill, stay awesome .

[@alainw77]

The shortage in coal and the subsequent higher prices is now leading to diesel rationing because some factories switched over to using diesel to operate. Considering how much cargo is transported by truck in china, this rationing will lead to more supply chain problems.

[@tedferkin]

Perhaps this my be the kicker to trying to produce more locally, but I doubt it with our throw away society

[@bernardtaylor7768]

How much diesel is being squirrelled away by the military?

[@matty6848]

Yes it will definitely have a domino effect.

[@Go-ah-oold]

@@bernardtaylor7768 If the military use diesel I would be surprised. As far as I know they use petrol and kerosin.

[@paulmentzer7658]

@@Go-ah-oold Kerosene is Diesel. While they are some differences between the two fuels, you can burn diesel in an Kerosene furnace, stove or lantern, and use Kerosene in a diesel engine. Due to how interchangeable the two fuels are, the US Government demands that Diesel fuel has a dye so it can be seen by the eye that it is diesel (and the taxes on such diesel has been paid) or is Kerosene being used as a motor fuel for Kerosene is not taxed. Thus the main difference between Diesel and Kerosene in the US (and other places) is that Diesel is taxed but Kerosene is not.

[@missmystery22]

I know management in coal companies in Australia and it didn’t bother anyone that China wasn’t buying the coal because Japan filled the hole immediately. Other countries were happy to take it.

[@cola98765]

You know what? Where I'm from we have a saying that 'guilty look for excuses', and if CCP reacts this badly to anyone saying "let's look into C-virus origin so it doesn't happen again" it makes me think that even if the story with natural origin was plausible, I don't believe it anymore at all.

[@TheTrevnor]

Opening lines of "The Chinese government is saying one thing to the world, and doing something entirely different" and I said "What a surprise" in complete sync with sepntza lol

[@Ebani]

Wouldn't be the only country doint it tho

[@renanvinicius6036]

It's like the time when Stalin do the holodomor in Ukraine, he pay actors to seems that was pretty normal things going on there.

[@robvanduren761]

And do you trust any media from any country. China set the standard for Western media

[@TheTrevnor]

I don't trust any media really

[@jimbob-robob]

Yeah 'cos the the US or any other self interested, militarily powerful country don't do the same do they...

[@jaydamalley3398]

_"And there's this big statue of Ma0, looking at a piece of coal, smoking a c1garette, and having a bird s h i t on his head."_ Too bad it wasn't a sparrow.

[@leonhardthomasius8872]

"Bird shit" impossible! There are no birds in China, don't fall for commie propoganda

[@bigbelix]

A sparrow smoking a cigarette covered in coal ash.

[@jaydamalley3398]

@@latifoljic Until I changed those words, this comment didn't show up. So I don't know exactly which one is the culprit.

[@onlypranav]

@@bigbelix A sparrow smoking shit coal covered in mao ash

[@jaydamalley3398]

@@latifoljic Big Belix seems to have gotten away with that one, though. So...I don't know. Maybe it's me. :)

[@TobyCatVA]

Other reports are saying year over year power production is up this year vs last in China. Tier-one cities and factories are having brown outs, mandatory shutdowns, and shortened work weeks. However military production cities and drydocks are not suffering, and are in fact drawing more power, as there is currently an unprecedented uptick in production of armaments.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Because the CCP sees where the wind is blowing and is arming up for an inevitable clash.

[@Go-ah-oold]

@@Lobsterwithinternet Probably not inevetable. I actually doubht the navy, army and air force is made to actually invade large countries, like Taiwan, Japan, India and Russia. They use it as a intemidation tool. What they really want is to build up their hacking force and bioweapon production.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@Go-ah-oold Then why the quick military build-up? Why the sudden change in diplomacy? All the pulling inward that the CCP has done in the last few months?

[@Go-ah-oold]

@@Lobsterwithinternet They need to keep up their military to be seen as a military threat, which they not are. From a military perspective, all that China does is relying on countries to give in to the demands without fighting, as soon as they start, they would suffer so heavy losses that the country would implode. Think of the borders China have. - Afghanistan: high mountains and an ambush nightmare that is very easy to defend, and, we know how costly expeditions into Afghanistan can be. - Pakistan: already a vassal state: no military power needed. - India: high nearly impenetrable mountains with tens of thousands of well equipped, highly motivated troops. Invading there would be a massive slaughter. If the CCP tries, they would likley louse more then one million soldiers, which would make the CCP implode. Also, the trade routes could be blocked of, and that would also implode the CCP. Those two combined would make any full scale military attempt suicide. - Nepal & Butan: Vasal states, no military needed. - Burma: vasal state, no military needed. - Vietnam: filled with jungle. Any attempt will kill hundreds of thousands of troops, and the CCP would implode. - Taiwan: an Island with mudflats and mountains. An amphibious invasion would easily lead to a few million dead Chinese soldiers, hundreds of sunk ships and submarines and thousands of planes shot down. The CCP would implode. - Russia: Military superpower with thousands of square kilometers to cross in -60 degrees Celsius, the CCP would fail horribly. - Mongolia: vasal state, no military needed. If the vast majority of the population would realize how easily defended their country is they would not be afraid of China. Their Army can only scare people that does not know those things, and that is why China needs it. They need to look strong and capable, to push countries around and convince them to give over their territory for free. As soon as China starts a war, not only would they be doomed just by the fighting alone, they would also be cut of from trade, and louse even faster. China is boxed in, and, as long as the countries stand up and do not let them selves get pushed around, they are safe. If Artificial intelligence comes and replaces all of their soldiers, maybe, it will be different, I do not know how that works so I set a maybe there, however, as long as China deploys human soldiers, the CCP, as soon as they start a war, will implode and no longer exist, and that will happen very quickly.

[@billpetersen298]

@@Lobsterwithinternet If they hadn’t created that wind. The world would happily embrace, a peaceful China. No one, is threatening China. No one, wants to invade China. No one, wants to go to, “re-education” camp.

[@Ben_306]

I once went to hambach tagebau near cologne in Germany, it's quite an unsettling experience walking through a nearby village that has the nearest bus stop, going past some farm houses on a side road, and then walking up a couple steps to see a misty pit as big as a city, with machines as long as a train, somehow eerily quiet as they chew into the earth. I stood there for a good long while just watching. There was none of the associated industry on the side I approached from so seeing the pit for the first time was quite a contrast to the nearby village.

[@FriedChairs]

My father in law, now a retired engineer, worked in this mine servicing the heavy equipment for most of his career. On one of our trips back in 2014 we got a tour by car down to the bottom of the mine. I wasn't supposed to take pictures but still managed to quickly take a few photos. At that time he said the mine was winding down operations and wouldn't continue for too much longer but I don't know how true that is. Fushun is my wife's hometown but we live in the US.

[@tripwire8457]

It's interesting that South Africa has "load shedding" whenever China needs more coal. I know for a fact that some of South Africa's coal mines are owned by Chinese "businessmen".

[@johnwoodman9350]

Chinese "businessmen" work for CCP. The Communists need constant internal and external conflict and chaos (read weaponised Covid) to thrive. Without the distraction of conflict and chaos populations will mobilise against them. This is why we have to play them at their own game and use whatever means to create chaos in their homeland.

[@vueport99]

"businessmen" wouldn't happen to be a honey lover would it?

[@ttemp2631]

@@johnwoodman9350 USA "businessmen" back either GOP or Democratic party. Americna politicians need constant internal and external conflict and chaos (read Covid) to thrive. Without the distraction of conflict and chaos to cover up their own incompetent their incompetence will be more exposed

[@johnwoodman9350]

@@ttemp2631 ??

[@ttemp2631]

@@johnwoodman9350??

[@jaythomas3180]

The logic on giving China a larger coal window. Rest of the world: "turns out kicking kittens is bad" China: "but you guys got to kick kittens first so I get to kick more too!"

[@redtree8254]

The more ridiculous part of this, honestly, is that China pretends to be extremely poor and wealthy beyond belief simultaneously, for political benefits as required. Developing countries often emit more pollution because they don't have the requisite skills or technology to not pollute but the CCP is schizophrenic about its state of economic development because its economy ia nonsensical.

[@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368]

Xi: "Hitler did a genocide, so that means everyone gets one free genocide pass"

[@Bacontruffle]

@@vablo7198 I mean, not like China isn't *also* committing genocide in concentration camps, just sayin'

[@Sn00pzor]

@@vablo7198 We talking uyghur here

[@SeeLasSee]

Is this footage from years ago?

[@davidwebb4904]

The term is “Greenwashing”.

[@dvtt]

The main issue is that they have price controls so the price of electricity never gets high enough to warrant anything other than coal power. The market always wins in the end

[@takamex]

I am enjoying tremendously this work you are doing of going back on footage and presenting it with updated comments. Good Job!

[@armadefuego5907]

I grew up in southwest Pennsylvania, a coal mining area. About 75% of the coal mines have been closed. There is no other industry in the area. A coal mining job is considered the best job a working class person can get in the area. The few people that get hired yearly are considered lottery winners. The people hired probably have connections in the company or union. In the 1960's, I infrequently traveled to Pittsburgh to Kennywood, an amusement park. On one trip, I remember the air made me sick. I left the area in 1987 for opportunity. There was only one steel mill left in Pittsburgh at the time. In 1987, the air in Pittsburgh was much better.

[@Furzkampfbomber]

I grew up in the GDR and not too far from the biggest surface coal mining areas in the country. The coal quarried in the GDR was of low quality and the country had no money for filter systems etc and the socialist party gave a flying fuck about the environment anyways. Most of the time, you could see the smoke hanging over our cities like a cheese dome and especially in said mining area, people would rarely hang out the laundry in the open, because after a couple of hours, your laundry would look like someone emptied a bucket full of ash over it, literally grey.

[@robertborchert932]

I lived north of Pittsburgh in the early 1980s. There was an ongoing project downtown, they were cleaning the decades of accumulated coal "patina" from buildings. The steel works had switched to electric arc or gas furnaces over time. The coal mined in the region was the higher grade anthracite coal. It's an abundant resource that we have learned can be burned cleanly. Especially for electrical power, modern plants have made tremendous progress in efficiency. There's nothing dishonorable about the humble coal miner. It's hazardous work. I remember riding through those towns.

[@armadefuego5907]

@@Furzkampfbomber In the early 1960's, the coal mines were active in southwest Pennsylvania. There were almost no environmental regulations. The local streams in the area were yellow from the sulfur discharged from the coal mines. Surface subsidence was another problem destroying the foundations of buildings. The Monongahela river, the river in the area, was heavy polluted. Raw sewage was discharged by communities. I don't think any fish lived in the river. It amazed me the municipal water authorities could clean up the water enough for drinking. We did have what seemed like a high cancer rate in the area.

[@Furzkampfbomber]

@@armadefuego5907 Was it in th UK where a river was so heavily polluted that it literally caught fire? And a lot of cleaning and repairing was done here as well. I remember that the woods in my area were nothing like millions of dead tree skelettons, rivers which changed its color on a daily basis, snow that fell grey from the sky... Now rivers that were heavily polluted 20, 30 years ago even have salmon living in it. Which is why it's pissing me off so much when now the young folks and their stupid FFF cult claim that we did nothing and destroyed _their_ earth. All while the average 18 year nowadays old will most likely have wasted already four times as many resources and as much energy as we had at this age.

[@matty6848]

Yes it was the same in the U.K. in mid Wales in the valley areas and northern England we had entire towns where the towns economy was totally dependent on the local coal mines. The coal miners families kept the shops open, the surgery’s busy, car mechanic garages business then the house buying and renting all brought of rented by coal mining families. Then they closed the coal mines down and it decimated entire areas and towns. Those towns that used to have rich local economies where everyone was employed and paid very well, slowly slipped into unemployment, then followed the other businesses closing as a result and because there was nothing left mass unemployment, drug abuse and alcoholism become rife, followed by the inevitable rise in crime. Even now 30 years after those mines were closed these towns are still struggling. All you see are young single mums on welfare, in the towns are cheap pound (Dollar shops) charity shops and local welfare offices, which we call benefits office. It’s truly tragic.

[@FoxhoundAK74]

As a railfan I really appreciate y’all taking a moment to highlight the steam locomotives

[@yux.tn.3641]

there are still sleeper trains in china…the scenery is breathtaking…

[@thonatim5321]

I am a Foamer too. I really like watching the trains when I an in Asia, especially China.

[@thonatim5321]

@@piotrtrebisz6602 I will be traveling to Europe when COVID calms down. I will certainly take the time to be a Foamer.

[@thonatim5321]

@@piotrtrebisz6602 It is a slang term used in the US. The Hobo's developed the term. As the Hobo's rode the trains from town to town, they would see people sitting alongside the tracks watching the trains go by. The Hobo's would say the people watching the train were so excited to see the train, they would have foam coming out of their mouths. Many times Foamers (railfans) will call the police on Hobo's that rode the rails. The Hobos would get upset because riding the rails does not hurt anyone, especially Foamers. Hobos say that Foamers are jealous of Hobos for riding the rails whereas Foamers only dream about riding the rails. My Dad worked for the RR for 35 years so I have been a Foamer since I was 5. In my teens, I would occasionally ride the rails but only to the next town. Then ride the train back to my town. If I ever got caught, my Dad would have beat my @$$ so I never really was very adventurous. Some Railfans think the term Foamer is a derogatory term; however, I do not think so. I am a Foamer and proud of it. My Dad was a Foamer too because it was his job.

[@thonatim5321]

@@piotrtrebisz6602 That sounds like fun and is very interesting. I would imagine that trip will offer many beautiful winter scenes. Have fun and be safe.

[@pramod_p5]

"Big statue of Mao, looking at coal, smoking a cigarette and having bird shit on his head", I laughed at it so hard, started coughing Xi Xi

[@beowulf2772]

Xit

[@randacnam7321]

Even the birds are all "Cao ni ma, gongluo! That's for the sparrows."

[@humboldthammer]

1111 = XIXI

[@humboldthammer]

@@beowulf2772 "You have destroyed yourselves with your endless wars of Gods. Now bow down and worship YOUR BEAST." That's what Xi says. 10/12/26

[@GGG-xx8lf]

Xitler

[@t-fuelernienotoriousmisfit7449]

Love to hear the truthful and real news from boots on the ground. Thank you for your hard work 🙋‍♂️👍

[@dirkfolscher3001]

Just propaganda, we're good, China bad.

[@jameskirk2905]

I was in China in September 2013 and coal burners were belching massive amounts of smoke and it was smokey from Beijing to Pingyao. Smells like smoke as soon as you get off the plane.

[@slunchtime]

I live on the main coal line in Australia. Trust me, China hasn’t stopped taking our coal. Ever!

[@seannybdizzle]

Bowen or Hunter?

[@altergreenhorn]

not jet

[@slunchtime]

@@seannybdizzle Hunter

[@kudajingkrak4919]

If so, how come they run out of coal then...??

[@slunchtime]

@@kudajingkrak4919 Their demand keeps growing.

[@Petro00D]

I believe China does not have to decrease Carbon output until 2025. So their plan is to increase their carbon output as quickly as possible until that date and then quickly decrease so they can sell carbon credits

[@chriskoort5717]

By 2030. Yeah, they are doing exactly that. Just boycott all products made in china.

[@altergreenhorn]

@@chriskoort5717 good luck in that

[@radoinezoubir3370]

@@chriskoort5717 when you boycott chinese product or any product from any country , you are hurting the individual or the employee who trying to make a living , even let say you campaign worked for some reason in the end an average person will suffer, just saying no hate

[@Ebani]

@@chriskoort5717 Why? The US has released way more CO2 to the atmosphere than China so you should be boycoting US products, unless you're an hypocrite ofc

[@Furzkampfbomber]

So they are basically trying to pull an Elon Musk here.

[@carrolllee6875]

Actualy you got this one a little wrong. The Chinese coal plants cant burn Chinese coal. Chinese coal if it available is more expensive but more importantly does not generate as much electrify per ton as Australian coal. Yes they can mix some Chinese coal into Australian coal but on its own Its not good enough.

[@PhilJonesIII]

The whole process of burning coal or processing it to produce coke requires a good deal of mixing and matching. No two coal types will behave the same, and even different batches from the same mine can be quite different.

[@specex]

Last I heard, pre-pandemic, China was building one coal-fired electric plant every week.

[@kenfrank3782]

Damn. I miss you guys riding around China, Vietnam. I learned more from your videos in the last few years than I have in my previous 60 yrs !!! How about riding around India, Australia, or Africa!! Pic a continent, country- brake it down into regions etc and ride the hell out of it telling us about their geography, resources, people, customs, history, politics etc etc. We need you guys !!!!!!! You open our eyes and minds !!! Hope both of you & your families and friends are doing well !!!!

[@benthurber5363]

The Green party in Germany watching China build more coal plants: "Is it possible to learn this power?"

[@excitedbox5705]

It was Merkel and the CDU shut down the nuclear plants and Laschet that stopped wind power from expanding. The CDU also caused the stop to solar expansion and all German solar companies to sell their tech to China. Laschet literally sold out a town and a forest to a coal company (getting a protestor killed in the process), so they could build a coal plant that wasn't needed. Germany is building Coal plants just like every country is building coal plants.

[@briananthony4044]

Germany still burns 100 million tons of coal a year. Just over a ton pa per person.

[@excitedbox5705]

@@briananthony4044 yup, it even went UP since Fukushima because they shut down the nuclear power plants. We actually went BACKWARDS.

[@friggerx3150]

Not from a jedi.

[@briananthony4044]

China burns about 2 tons per person per year or about 3,000 million tons. The US burns about 3 tons per person per year or about 1,000 million tons. India I think burns about half a ton but that is still over 500 million tons a year.

[@xiaoxinghuli]

Can't imagine the coal in the air. Must be hell. Here in Bratislava there is chocolate in the air due to chocolate factory 🙂yes, it's like in fairy tale

[@mirozen_]

Lol! I've heard the same said of the air in Hershey Pennsylvania! :-)

[@Ghryst]

coal is a rock. you find it in the ground, not in the air. fuck, just imagine finding rocks in the air, you'd have to be trippin', and you'd probably be getting stoned, literally, as they fall back to the ground where they damn well belong. and what happened to get chocolate in the air? did the factory explode?

[@mirozen_]

@@Ghryst Lol! Actually almost anywhere that you have mining you'll have particulates spewed into the air. A boss of mine once told me about how years ago he did some geological work for a mining company and was visiting this little town where they were mining asbestos. Someone who lived there commented to him that "It's a pretty little town, but there's always so much dust in the air!". Kind of' made him cringe when he recalled it! (I think the rock dust mainly gets in the air as they are loading it up once they get it out of the mine, as it spewing out of the mine would be rather ridiculous! :-) )

[@Ghryst]

@@mirozen_ asbestos is a fibrous mineral, fibres are far more likely to drift on the wind than a particulate mineral

[@mirozen_]

@@Ghryst No argument about those fibers. Sadly though coal dust particulates can still foul the air. Heck, it's the air suspended particulates of coal that lead to black lung in coal miners. It still blows me away about that asbestos dust in that town, but until they knew it was bad for them the people there considered it merely a nuisance. Kind of like how the Romans used to seal amphoras full of wine with lead - not knowing the lead would then leach into their wine. Sucks.

[@soul1take]

The only bird you see is the one pooping on a tyrant in China lol 😆

[@ryanotte6737]

I'm an engineer that specializes in energy and AGW issues, and there are a couple misconceptions in the technical analysis that accompanies the firsthand experience with China. Now, the discussion of what goes on inside China is brave and stellar, good job. That being said, per capita emissions is a metric that DOES matter to the world stage and the negotiations for the Paris Accord, etc. If one only considers emissions by country, that is generally an arbitrary designation that was drawn by previous history. If we care about being fair to people no matter where they happen to fall within these imaginary lines across the world, we tend to care about per capita. Yes, your firsthand accounts of energy access inequity sucks in China, but that is a separate matter that can hopefully be negotiated in the years to come. What also matters are cumulative emissions, where the USA and Europe far outweigh any other country/continent, including China. The planet's radiative forcing only reacts to that changed GHG concentration, and in the negotiations, this is a major sticking point. Yes, as mentioned we are in a shit scenario right now where there has been much procrastination, and as we learn more intense pressure may have to be placed on developing countries like China in order to avert any unpleasant surprises. Hell, we might have a good number of unpleasant surprises already in waiting. Finally, the notion of exports where the working citizens of China are creating a decent chunk of goods for other nations, using dirty energy on their soil for the low cost benefit of other nations. This is a far more complicated energy use measure, and it is generally avoided in the emissions negotiations. Still, China is indeed somewhat of a dumping ground for the West to send a pretty darn sizeable chunk of the least efficient manufacturing emissions, also terrible localized toxic emissions as we all famously see in hazy pictures of Beijing, etc. In the end, yes excellent inside knowledge of China's double talk, etc. It is encouraging they put a good amount of funding into energy research, bad that they half-ass some of their renewables projects. It is encouraging that they take an active role in climate negotiations, bad that the gov't officials seem to have a habit of lying. In the end, the negotiations shook out the way they did from a complex web of technical, economic, etc, issues, and as much as average western citizens bitch about the imbalance in emissions reductions in the negotiations, there are sound technical reasons for it, unfortunately. Good job, just stick to that great inside experience with the country.

[@JC-zv3cv]

Well said!

[@mandymouse1879]

This comment should have more likes. Thank you for being so elucidative!

[@ehombane]

@@mandymouse1879 yes, I scrolled a lot till I found this comment, really baffled, that they did not took it in account. As they said, majority of chinese are poor, so do not use stuff aka carbon emissions. But the rest of that minority producing stuff are still poor, and the stuff they are producing, is used by the rest of the world. Since I was a child, everything I buy is made in China. Eh, not everything, but most for sure. PV panels are also mostly made in China. So, there should be accounted who is using the stuff, not who is producing it. Sure, producing it matters because can be done cleaner or dirtier. But this affects the price.... so things are a lot more complicated. On the other hand, for this stuff they produce they get back the food, without which they will starve. So actually China is still guilty for letting their agriculture lag behind demand, lag that forces them to labor cheaply for the west. Anyway, in the end, the main culprit is still the west. Europe used the rest of the world as colonies and amassed wealth and knowledge, while polluting a lot. And now they keep the advantage of wealth, seeding the desire in the poor countries to do the same. If the west would have been so truthful in their carbon declaration they would have banned everything useless like fashion, travel, and other luxuries as illuminating empty streets and houses. Since a decade ago, with internet available office work should be done from home. Shopping should be online, moving only goods around in automated carts, not moving tons of vehicle and hundreds of kilos, for a bag of shopping. Traveling should have been banned entirely till transition of all transport to carbon neutral technologies. You want to get out of your concrete box? get out by bike in the nearby forest, not by plane on the other side of the globe. Even sports events should be postponed for a decade or two till we clean our act. And most importantly, stop any war production. But war industry is fully trotting. There is always some war going in order to use the stocks before going to spoil. So yeah, CCCP is lying, but so is everybody else. Unless you are stark poor and use very little stuff you are guilty too. I am poor too, but I am still guilty. I use more than I actually deserve,

[@mikeh6286]

I live in Liaoning (near this coal mine) and the air quality has improved a lot over the last ten years. If they're still burning as much coal it must be done more efficiently. I'm monitoring air quality daily, and it's very easy to smell the difference between low/mid/high pollution levels so they're not just messing with the data. Years ago, my wife wanted to move abroad but I convinced her to stay and now we're quite happy with the environment and its improvement. 👍

[@marcopolo242]

When i was there i was amazed to see them running even suoer modern industrial paper mills amd packaging mills with coal fired boilers. Dozens and dozens of tractor trailers full of coal, lined up to get through the gates and deliver 24/7. No one's done that in the west for decades.

[@excitedbox5705]

Some industries actually need coal as a raw material (producing silicon takes 2Kg of coal per Kg). The rest of the world does the same thing, just with centralized power plants, though. It is wrong to think "nobody" has done that in the west for decades. I agree that those generators are probably inefficient as hell but transmission losses for the power in your home are around 30% just from switching AC->DC and the power lines. It would be interesting to know if their distributed generator makes up for the transmission losses. Having solar on your roof and using it as DC in your home would be more efficient as well if you didn't have an inverter. Solar produces DC, gets switched to AC, just to switch it back to DC with a wall wart. Our entire energy system is extremely inefficient.

[@marcopolo242]

@@excitedbox5705 wrong and wrong. Nobody in the west is generating power on site with their own coal fired boilers. These plants are all over the Shenzen area. Transmission distances arent the problem. If i could attach pics here i would show you what the smog looks like from the 19th floor of the hotel here, surrounded by dozens of 30 story appartment buildings.

[@hithere7382]

@@excitedbox5705 IDK about your house but in mine by far the largest users of electricity are alternating current pumps and compressors with induction loads. The DC stuff is small potatoes.

[@dirkfolscher3001]

No one in the west has done much of anything, for decades.

[@TD_YT066]

If they just need the thermal energy for the industrial process, burning coal more efficient than using electricity. In the US due to fracking, currently natural gas is used for thermal energy, but it's going to run out sooner as fracking is only getting the last known reserves out of previously tapped gas formations. Natural gas was getting expensive before fracking as the 'easy' gas was gone, fracking renewed the extraction, but it's being extracted at a greater rate and will run out and there will be no more.

[@hikerJohn]

China also has the most nuclear power plants . . . how scary is that seeing their construction quality (or lack thereof)?

[@afrosheenix]

They don't care as long as they work. They could have three chernobyls and the west would be forbidden to report on it. Also worth noting that they planned 20+ plants within the last decade and canceled all of them because coal is still cheap.

[@phamnuwen9442]

@@afrosheenix A significant nuclear accident will be noticed by monitoring. E.g. Chernobyl was noticed by a station in Sweden even though the Russians tried to cover it up.

[@JaneDoe-tn8tn]

Cha Bu Duo Reactors.... everything made in China breaks.

[@afrosheenix]

@@phamnuwen9442 I didn't mean to say a Chinese chernobyl wouldn't be detected. I said the west would be forbidden to report on it. Corporations control all media.. If the puppet masters say censor it, it will vanish.

[@phamnuwen9442]

@@afrosheenix Um... no. If you believe that, you're in tin foil hat moon hoax conspiracy land.

[@FB-vo6tr]

I was waiting for you to address this issue. Thank you for your effort and content!

[@theLORDGod_G450]

Thank you for sharing the examples and facts you have. We appreciate all cultures!

[@StumpyAirplane]

My favorite part about the coal is other countries would buy ships if coal from Australia and just resell it to China at a mark up because it's no longer Australian coal.

[@Subutaii]

your work is INCREDIBLY NECESSARY! please never let up!

[@KW-tx6er]

I hope CCP will never catch him

[@kneesnap1041]

@George Washington twitter is a publicly traded company doofus, and facebook is majority owned by a single person, Mark Zuck. I don't mean to suggest china doesn't control many western companies, but it becomes conspiracy when you make claims so easily disprovable.

[@luigimanzoni2705]

@@kneesnap1041 How did you disprove it? Just watch the actions of the management and staff eliminating any negative discourse about senile Biden and the progressives or truthful posts about the virus coming from the Wigan lab.

[@MrCarGuy]

@@kneesnap1041 Let me be very succinct here: Communists ≠ China Read the comment you replied to again. Owners of such companies have certainly proven they have sympathies with such people, not to mention internal subversion

[@Ghryst]

pretty sure they're never going back. they have already claimed to have been targeted by "hot girls" working for china, imprisonment is the next ChinaLogical step. i assume, or at least, the smart thing to do, would have been to take a heap of "tourist" footage before posting anything.

[@Sagittarius-A-Star]

Ahhhh! Thanks, guys - watching ADVChina after a longer break feels like coming home after a hard day.

[@philmason8433]

Great stuff guys. So much of the stuff we use every day is made in China. So in a way we are outsourcing our own CO2 emissions to China. I'm not defending China, just highlighting that it is still very much a global problem.

[@allikatt777]

That's a very good point.

[@vanderumd11]

Oh, this point is obvious.

[@mvnorsel6354]

China wouldn't make a thing if there wasn't a buyer.

[@mikenotta7079]

Correct! That is the hypocrisy of the west, and pretending to want a ""green economy"", all the whole, we will just purchase our oil from those who hate us. It is either gross incompetent or just stupid. I vote for the later!

[@paulantoniosangiorno810]

First, thank you for what you do. I think there are few things on social media today that are as important as the content you are putting out there. Keep it up, please! Second, saw your episode Pavolu, this young man is my new hero. Prayers for his perseverance and fortitude and for all who go up against the CCCP. Finally, “Let’s Go Ryan!”…Could it be a thing? Just curious.

[@rubytuesday9539]

It would not be different in winter because those boilers were already running as you saw smoke coming out of the stacks. They undoubtedly removed the fly ash before sending the smoke up those smokestacks. It's not like they don't use electricity year round.

[@cola98765]

3:08 Mao with a bird shitting on it's head... It's almost as if that bird knew.

[@allenschmitz9644]

They sent 'Hello Kitty' to the moon.

[@johncheresna]

China currently has over a thousand coal fired power plants and has plans to build hundreds more.

[@alicantino59]

I read recently that they have plans to build 230 new coal fired power stations in the next five years.

[@view1st]

Meanwhile the USA has 5000+ nuclear weapons and plans 5000 more. /s

[@briananthony4044]

They were bringing online a new coal fired station every 3 days at one point recently.

[@hithere7382]

@Damo John Roberts is a poor-quality troll. We might build more but mostly what we are doing is refurbishing our existing warheads. They don't have an indefinite shelf life.

[@Dept246]

China uses 60% more energy than the United States. Most of their electricity comes from coal. Also they are the largest producer of coal in the world but still have to import coal from elsewhere in the world.

[@paulmeadows6386]

I've been binge watching your stuff for 4 hours this eve and you release a new video? What a treat

[@serpentza]

Glad to oblige!

[@AJRestoration]

Love this channel!

[@elrond3737]

here is a big one that might be bigger. The Hull-Rust-Mahoning Open Pit Iron Mine in Hibbing, Minnesota, United States. The pit stretches more than three miles (5 km) long, two miles (3 km) wide (15 sq km), and 535 feet (163 m) deep. It was established in 1895 . It is still in use and I see every so often.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

Another part of the coal shortage is that Australian coal happens to be of a finer quality than any other in the world and many Chinese power plants are built to use that specifically. Also power prices were state mandated until last month, so when the price of coal and natural gas went up it ceased to be profitable to keep producing power.

[@albinoman13bt]

I see Australia claims that, but I wonder by which measure. Australia has little anthracite, the highest grade of coal. Most of what they mine is bituminous and lignite. I've always understood the anthracite deposits in Pennsylvania were the best.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

@@albinoman13bt I'm not a geologist, but what is clear is some Chinese power plants went idle for lack of quality coal

[@paulmentzer7658]

@@albinoman13bt And Lignite is the worse, both in terms of Pollution, Carbon release and Energy (Lignite has half the energy per ton then bituminous and twice the carbon. Anthracite has twice the energy of bituminous and again half the pollution and carbon release. As a general rule, you can NOT burn the three types of coal in the same furance. In fact you have to adjust furances between coal of each type but mined in different mines. Thus you want the coal from the same mine as your last batch of coal and if you can NOT get it, you have to make adjustments that include shutting down the furance for a bit, while you make the required adjustments. The shift from Australian Coal to Mongolian and Russian Coal may be the reason for the Electricity shortage in China. China had to shut down plants and adjust the mix of the generators given the switch from Australian Coal to Chinese, Mongolian and Russian Coal.

[@paulmentzer7658]

@@samsonsoturian6013 As I stated above, when you burn coal in a furance, the mix has to be "right" and in most cases when you switch the same type of coal, but from a different source, you have to shut down the furance and make adjustments. Such Shutdowns may be enough to cause the rolling black outs reported in China given the coal fired generators had to shut down and be adjusted for coal from a different source.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

@@paulmentzer7658 natural gas price increases played a minor role. As did China's fraudulent green energy programs creating skewed stats on real energy production.

[@catch_me_if_you_can1147]

Awesome! On the way to Shenyang, I flew regularly over that pit. Nice to see what is going on there.

[@laowhy86]

Nice!

[@GregAtlas]

The comment about how they should mine as much out as possible could be to stockpile a reserve as well. Especially if they plan for war. They may actually be reducing their coal mining, but increasing coal production to stockpile. Not saying that is the case, but it can be a possibility.

[@saltypatriot4181]

Those tricky bastards . Bejing is a bigger threat today than Berlin was beck then.

[@Andytlp]

@@saltypatriot4181 To be fair any country with nuclear capability is a bigger threat than the entire worlds military back in 1940 something. Before the nukes were first detonated. People think theyre the shit until entire major cities are wiped from the face of earth around the globe and all it would take is some old demeted politicians last hoorah.

[@saltypatriot4181]

@@Andytlp don't threaten me with a good time

[@hithere7382]

@@Andytlp Demented, but you should see what General Mark Milley did when Donald went nuts after he lost the election. He gummed up the works to prevent Donald from nuking anyone, and called his counterparts in Beining to gloat about it.

[@jeanettewest]

Here in Alaska, you can see a thin line of discoloration just above the horizon, so faint, you don't realize it's there until you actually look for it. This is caused by something known as "Arctic Haze". I attended University of Alaska Fairbanks, I asked one of my professors about this phenomenon I kept seeing. They became very excited about it. Turns out, they had written several papers about this; by using aircraft and balloons they had been able to get air samples (and what's in the air), from sea level up to 100,000-feet altitude. By analyzing the pollutants and the specific isotopes found in the pollutants, the Arctic Haze is China's Coal Smoke. All of it. It all comes from China. But outside of academic circles, this is never reported or discussed.

[@the-original-ghost]

I can remember having to add coal too the furnace on cold nights as a kid living in Pittsburgh.Every 4 days it was my turn and it was a dirty job nobody wanted to do.When we finally got a natural gas furnace I was really happy to find out I didn't have to get up and add gas to it.

[@genefucarino702]

You guys should talk about why Xi Jinping has not left the country in over 18 months!!! And the rumors of the power struggle in China and the possible attempt on his life And how if he leaves China to visit another country. He may not be in power if he returns

[@billpetersen298]

If there was a coup. We would rejoice. But, he is only one head, of the hydra.

[@MichaelBrown-fk5ir]

maybe because others already are - like you for example

[@jakeseemann6037]

I agree but they probably wont make a video on it because nothing is known for certain. Thry said they wont speculate. Maybe they will talk about it in the next podcast.

[@taiwanisacountry]

Last time I remember was January 2020. That is what, 20-21 months already. He is afraid. But he is also paranoid. Acting more and more like Korea Kim.

[@hithere7382]

@@billpetersen298 I think since China has 1.4 billion meatsacks they should all march on Beijing and slay the hydra. There'd still be many hundreds of millions of Chinese people after this and we wouldn't call you chicoms anymore. Seems like a fair deal.

[@williamlloyd3769]

Amazed that what was a weekend adventure video tape is now part of a current news story. Another example of law of unintended consequences.

[@view1st]

Two privileged white guys posing.

[@yourenotcute]

@@view1st privledged white guys can make videos, share opinions, and tell the truth too you know

[@pitbrand]

I really enjoy personal conversations and seeing and hearing others experiences to sort of learn something new about the world and even some life lessons. I'm new to this page and your two independent pages and they are full of great chats and experiences. Thanks to you guys for being so chill and sharing. Stay Awesome!

[@adamdeste7376]

My girlfriend's village is near this mine. I used to travel there by bus and see it every time. The mine was functional at that time.

[@barbmummey5467]

Thanks so much for this very informative report and giving us a window into the truth of what’s going on there. Praying that you don’t get arrested for doing so.

[@norcalpinoy9618]

Maybe they're not in China right now.

[@2xspdtrond]

"smoke sack" My head: ballzsak

[@Welgeldiguniekalias]

Diesel-electric trains run on diesel. They do not have a pantograph, as they use diesel generators to power their electric motors. Those were electric locomotives.

[@LuaanTi]

Funnily enough, I've talked with loads of Americans who can't believe you could ever use electric trains for freight. It's this huge blind-spot that people there seem to have about electric engines in general, despite the fact that, surprise surprise, diesel-electric locomotives also use electric engines for propulsion - they just have on-board diesel generators to supply the power instead of e.g. overhead lines. It's as if they thought "diesel-electric" means "sometimes it runs on diesel, sometimes on electricity" :D

[@view1st]

@@LuaanTi Is using a diesel‐electric motor cheaper or more efficient than just using diesel or electricity alone?

[@LuaanTi]

@@view1st Electric motors are just brilliant. Pure diesel locomotives (diesel-mechanic) did exist, but it's kind of tricky to power the wheels using a single diesel engine - as power and torque increases, the transmission gets really big, really heavy and really complicated. The transmissions are further complicated by the requirements on the rail - they're usually built with planetary gearboxes and hydraulic clutch (just imagine a friction clutch in a 3000+ HP engine). And that's where the electric motors come in. They are incredibly efficient, extremely easy to scale, and very lightweight. Their efficiency doesn't depend on RPMs, so you generally don't need adjustable transmissions - they're either directly coupled to the wheels, or with a "static" transmission. Instead of complicated ways to split mechanical power between the wheels, each wheel gets its own electric motor. And if you want to disconnect the wheels from power (i.e. "neutral"), all you have to do is disconnect the electricity. You can still find diesel-mechanical locomotives here and there, but generally with very low power - like shunting vehicles or small self-powered motorcars. As for why you wouldn't want pure electric instead, the main thing is the overhead lines and their maintenance. Also, there are many different incompatible ways of delivering electricity to locomotives, so diesel-electrics are handy for going between different electric networks (though there recently appeared some brilliant multi-system locomotives that can switch on the fly). In Europe, almost all locomotives that actually pull freight or passengers are pure electric. In the US, diesel-electrics are still pretty popular, probably a combination of inertia and long stretches of track with no worthwhile stops. And of course, the more you have to stop (or brake) the train, the more benefit you get from recuperation - which makes electrics even better. In Europe, tracks tend to follow the terrain a lot more than in the US, and the population is more spread out.

[@paulmentzer7658]

@@view1st Electric motors give the most power to the wheels then any other power source, thus Electric power is the preferred means of power in any large engine. In smaller engines, the weight of a generator to produce the electrical power and the weight of the electric motors tend to make such vehicles less productive then straight diesel or gasoline engines. Thus trains and ships use electric diesel combinations. The Diesel is a huge electrical generator that provides the needed electricity for the electric motors that actually move the train or ship. On highways, the size of most trucks favor diesel drive for as that size of an engine the extra weight of a diesel engine and an electric motor off sets the gain in fuel economy (Thus most Hybrids automobiles only become more economical after about five years of use given their higher starting price and most diesels are off the road within three years anyway). The original move to hybrids was in Japan to replace diesel trucks, but the higher cost of hybrids to traditional diesel trucks killed that plan. It is only when that plan died that Japan had Toyota design the Pirus. One of the problems with the West Coast docks is a long term plan to replace Diesel trucks operating between the Docks and the Warehouses with trucks powered by over head wires. Such trucks would produce less pollution, last longer, be faster going up hills and be cheaper to operate. Present diesel truck operators do not want to buy trucks that will be obsolete within two years, thus they have refused to buy trucks till it is decided to go with the overhead wire option or stay with traditional diesel trucks. No one wants to be stuck with a truck they can not use for even if the docks permit the continued use of conventional trucks, the trucks powered by overhead wire will be cheaper to operate and slowly drive out those diesel trucks. Just a comment that electric drive is more efficient then diesel or gasoline drive and this is more so as more power is needed. The reason such over head wires are not used today is how do you charge the people who use that power? With modern computers that problem is easy to solve thus the push for such power sources, especially through the mountains of the west where the electric power will permit trucks using such over head wires to go faster up and over those mountains. Outside of the ports of Los Angles, the plan is more dream then reality, but the Port of LA was and is seriously looking at the option for not only will it be cheaper in the long run, but reduce pollution in the LA area.

[@LuaanTi]

@@paulmentzer7658 In USA, sure. In Germany, there's already a stretch of highway electrified as a pilot test project (that is, first that's in actual traffic, and not a demonstration track). It's been in use for almost three years now, and at this point it seems to be all we've wished for, so we can expect this to slowly spread all over Europe. It's still going to take a while, of course - the 10km of the pilot e-highway cost €15M, compared to usual highway costs of ~€8-25M/km (depending on terrain). Of course, at this point, these expect the trucks to be hybrids, not pure electrics. But if we ever reach the point where a significant portion of Europe's highways is electrified, trucks with just electric motors and batteries will eventually be worthwhile. Especially considering that we can expect the limitations of diesel traffic inside cities to only get stricter and more expensive. For most trucks, which spend most of their trip on the highways, you could comfortably recharge the batteries on the highways, use them to go inside the city and back again, and keep going without ever having to stop to recharge. And in Europe, diesel is a lot more expensive than electricity, even without taking into account how much more efficient electric motors are.

[@jugeerivera4916]

From what I've read and heard they thought Australia would be harmed by the refusal of Australian coal but what actually happened was 2 fold. First Australia finds others buyers in India and other places and then they joined AUKUS with America and the UK in a larger plan to start building Australian built nuclear submarines. In the end, China needs the higher quality coal from the Aussies because there plants are already set up to burn the higher quality coal. China was buying from countries that were buying from Australia to try an avoid hsvind to admit to a foolish mistake.

[@sosoable]

China only uses Australian coal to generate electricity to manufacture small commodities, and the products are sold to the United States. So it's not that China is short of coal this year. The problem is covid serious in the United States, and Chinese enterprises operate with high load.

[@Kulayyu]

Australia provided 40% of China's coal requirements and earning substantial income from trade with China. With the cessation of trade between them, the market opened up for a new supplier which the US conveniently took over. Ironic isn't it.

[@sosoable]

@@Kulayyu Made in China decreased.。The United States is out of stock. Inflation in the United States will be even worse.

[@hithere7382]

It will take 30 years or more to build nuclear submarines in Australia, if you want to do anything about Taiwan you need American or British built submarines.

[@Kulayyu]

@@sosoable Russia increased coal exports to China by 230% this November to meet the shortfall

[@UhYeahWhateverDude]

How do you do this? When I lived in SE Asia I tried numerous times to get "unguided" access to ride in China but never could. I always had to have some Chinese national following me around.

[@ethelthecat1]

Point of order: I have read in Europe that China will build another 6 coal power plants, which only adds 1% to their CO2 emissions. However, as a percentage of population, they are only the 38th most polluting nation, with Saudi Arabia as number 1. This is not bad given China produces 33% of the world's goods, which allow a lot of the west to offset their carbon footprint onto China. China is build more renewables and high-speed rail than the west. So they will meet their Paris protocols decades before the US.

[@FPfreddyyy]

'' the green technology lie'' You guys could make a documentary with that name about these issues. Also one of the reasons China has such a high population is because of Mao's policies.

[@alexandercarder2281]

‘You got to Understand Winston and C-Milk’ 😂😂

[@nocensorship8092]

The problem is how western journalists report on it. I read about their claimed co2 goal very positively in the press. Whilst they didn't mention their coal reliance and how China has no plan or way to get there.

[@allenschmitz9644]

They still have to git our OZONE holes to catch up with our propaganda.

[@sosoable]

China only uses Australian coal to generate electricity to manufacture small commodities, and the products are sold to the United States. So it's not that China is short of coal this year. The problem is covid serious in the United States, and Chinese enterprises operate with high load.。As long as the number of viruses in the world decreases, China does not need to produce too many products. China will no longer need too much coal next year.

[@calors6652]

China produces most green energy, why you say china didn't plan to get there.

[@Geebax2]

Those 'diesel-electric' locomotives you pointed to near the end are in fact, electric locomotives, no diesel at all.

[@meme-ov6hx]

Hi ,yes l know of you both through a friend that was on past interview you did with him ,,l lived in Taiwan for 13 years and China for off and on for 4 Years ,thankyou for your transperency

[@courtneyksf]

The switch engine at the end of episode : 40 years ago I lived next to the Omiya Japan Railyard. JR (Japan Rail) ran those engines 20 hours a day. As the engine changed direction its whistle gave a sound of a pheasant So at night it was like living next to covey of pheasants.

[@cptmalcolmreynolds3623]

I LIVED THERE FOR 7 YEARS!!!!! I LOVE that city. It's AMAZING. And yes, during the winter, the pollution is so bad, you can't see further than 20 feet in front of you. And the city tells the locals that it's a heavy fog lol.

[@laowhy86]

What was so awesome about it? That's cool you lived there so long.

[@cptmalcolmreynolds3623]

@@laowhy86 the people are so friendly, welcoming, and the city grew so fast between 2008 and 2015. I don't know if you went into downtown, but it is a fun place to live. Great place to get lost in. Plus the 东北 food is great

[@johnryan8645]

I have a couple questions. If local people heat food with the coal where does that coal come from? A Blackmarket? If there’s not enough coal for power where does consumer coal come from? Theft, illegal mining, skimming from official stream, scavenging, shrinkage on trucks delivering coal, informal arrangements? Hmmmm….

[@martintwist5159]

As an Australian this video makes me happy 😏

[@ShawnJonesHellion]

technically you guys aren't Australians yet right? has it been 100 years since you took over already?

[@EzraMerr]

@@ShawnJonesHellion and? Australia is the name of the country that was formed from a colony. So that would make them Australian of they are a citizen of that country

[@testicool013]

@@ShawnJonesHellion about 230 years

[@sampound9091]

@Shawn Jones >be you >find KZbin >make anti-white videos >comment annoying stuff on a ADV China video What are you doing with your life brah?

[@hithere7382]

@@sampound9091 I looked at one that was about his credit card getting declined, if he spoke like that in my town in AR (not arizona ffs that is AZ) such people get tased and committed for a 72 hour hold, if they keep it up they (the good 'ole boys) will engineer something to send them to the state prison. Ideally Varner or Cummins units...

[@formosanbusinesssupportco.5343]

Thank you guys for creating and posting this video! I'm trying very hard to reach Taiwan's energy transition goals, but I depend on international investors. Particular Europeans keep telling me that Taiwan is a tiny market compared to China, but I have never, ever met anyone including GE and Siemens Energy who generated any profit in the Chinese market, because China same as Korea will simply do it on their own. Germany in fact depends to 95% on China now after selling all its Green Technology to China from the 2000s on. Scotland is doing now the same.

[@LeaveNoTrashBehind]

This video proves my point that China needs other countries to survive, without other countries helping them China would fall.

[@coreysanders7140]

China is heading for a demographic collapse.

[@Alchemist37]

What happens when super power like China starts to run out of resources........

[@covfevetrump7307]

@Dulce Sunshine What is a right wing cult?

[@stevemcgowen]

Soylent Green happens...

[@briananthony4044]

They take yours. Latest way is they lend you money for some grandiose project the people don't need but makes politicians rich with kickbacks, then when the country forfeits on it's payments, China moves in and makes a deal that gives it important assets like ports, and resources like minerals and oil. Not a shot fired.

[@hithere7382]

@@briananthony4044 There might be shots fired if China calls in too many of these in an area.

[@johnwoodman9350]

Great program guys. This is what we need good solid information on what is happening in China. I'd like to ask why does China still have "developing nation status" which allows them a free pass on emission reductions. If they have enough budget for massive arms development and production and are threatening their neighbours and in fact our country (Australia) perhaps this money should be used to both reduce emissions and improve the lives of the poorest people in their country. I'd love to hear your thoughts. Cheers and stay safe.

[@naveenveeravalli3478]

Is there any place you haven't been in China? I am loving these last few videos. You seem to have an appropriate travel vlog for every current issue that comes up in China. Keep up the great work guys.... Also wondering if you traveled through Tibet. If you did, I would love to see those vlogs someday.

[@laowhy86]

Only Tibet and Xinjiang.

[@technicaltrader7413]

You guys are great and genuine! Keep up the good works

[@tidge879]

China also has the most wind and hydro energy in the world. Per person, they have much lower emissions than most of Europe or the US. As China is also the world's manufacturing centre, the products made for the global market also gets put on China's tab and this means that a lot of European and American carbon consumption/emissions is actually in China. Obviously, Chinese emissions are still enormous and this needs to change, but I think we (all of us) need to take a step back from our high horses.

[@briantayler1230]

G'day guys, there is not one word in Australia about China renewing purchases of our coal. Either the CCP is sticking to its embargo or the media and coal producers in OZ are working hand in hand with our government to help China not lose face. China released some coal from bonded storage, but that was coal that had already been paid for and was shipped to China last year and caught up in the embargo, not new sales. This would be a good story for you guys to do.

[@Lambyyy]

There were some articles about China giving port clearance to some of the ships that are waiting to unload coal. They were waiting for a while and some got sent to India instead, I think this might have upset the Chinese government more. But you are correct to say that China is trying not to lose face, officially there is an embargo, unofficially that is not the case.

[@novat9731]

Read up on how other countries have bought Australian coal, then shipped it to China as their own coal. With a small fee on top of course. What a clown country.

[@spartancrown]

I would hope Australia would tell China to just f-ck off and sell it anywhere but.

[@davidneufeld26]

Australia needs to get off it's coal economy. Leave that shit in the ground. Go renewable. Increase domestic manufacturing to decrease reliance on foreign imports and reduce transoceanic shipping. Keep those jobs and profits in Australia.

[@spartancrown]

@@davidneufeld26 everything you said makes sense except the renewable part.

[@bobjones6646]

This is the first time i can remember hearing bird sounds from y'alls videos.

[@Goku17yen]

I love these videos. You guys riding on motorcycles just chatting is so chill

[@ssssaa2]

The US CO2 emissions going down is primarily due to fracking natural gas which china tried and failed to do because it's reserves (though comparable to the US) are not easily extracted. Natural gas is way less CO2 intensive than coal, so the US has replaced much of it's coal with natural gas plants. It's not realistic for China to use anything but coal for most of it's energy production in the immediate future without ungodly amounts of imports, which it already has for oil and natural gas which it doesn't produce anywhere near enough of. Coal is all they have. Their CO2 emissions are not going to go down over the next decade unless it massively reduces it's power consumption, only likely in an economic depression scenario.

[@johnpatz8395]

You guys hit the nail on the head, and why I’ve said the Paris accord was a farce since it was first written, it doesn’t actually reduce carbon emission, in fact the Paris accords own reporting said it expected China to have 4 times the carbon generation than it does now, before it’s increases in carbon emissions even begin to slow, or be a concern of the working group. Now, when this was first put out, China had roughly half the carbon emissions of the US, and now more than doubles the US’s peak emission year, which as I recall was 1995, and while the US in condemned by these committees for only reducing carbon emissions by 12%, China is praised for it’s work, despite it increasing by over 500% in that same time. In fact, the Chinese increase, far exceeded the US peak output, so total emissions between China and the US would have still gone up, even if the US had dropped to zero emissions! China getting these environmental awards reminds of of Leonardo DiCaprio getting off a expensive yacht in the south of France, to get a limo ride to the airport, where he boarded a private jet to fly to NYC, where another limo takes him to a presentation for him to get an award for warning people to decrease their carbon footprint, but immediately afterwards, he’s back in a limo to the airport, where he takes a private jet back to his yacht vacation. So, he created more carbon emissions to get his award, that a regular family of 4 likely generates in a year, but of course he’s an elite, and rules are for them, only the peasants!

[@ryan.hanthorn]

kind of lost it laughing for a bit there at the end of "...and there's this big statue of Mao looking at a piece of coal smoking a cigarette and having a bird shit on his head"

[@dirkfolscher3001]

And he still has a better cognitive mind than Biden, both the bird and Mao.

[@BrendanGeormer]

Another thing worth mentioning is that when the west was producing so much of the pollution, it wasn't known about CO2's effects on the atmosphere, and since the discovery of that, there has been a push to reduce emissions, and even before then, pollution in the air was a problem, so solutions were implemented so that the air wasn't so smoky and unpleasant for people near factories. With knowledge that we have now doesn't make what happened then any better, but it is not the same world as it was 200 years ago, and saying that you need to play catch-up on doing this harmful thing doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

[@Leopold284]

What's the solution for them to catch up though?

[@stevemcgowen]

So you admit China is backwards and their technology is only at industrial revolution levels. Odd the CCP keeps going on about how technologically advanced they are...

[@bravowhiskey3239]

Really interesting piece, guys. I spent a couple of nights in Fushun back in the winter of 2005/06. Really fascinating place, lots of interesting history in the area . Warmest daytime temperature of -8 degrees C. Woke up in the middle of the night in my hotel room to what I thought was a minor earthquake; my host told me the next day that the shaking would have been caused by explosives used in Fushun’s open cast mine. He took me to see the mine - but it was so foggy/smoggy that day that we couldn’t see a thing. Of all the cities I’ve visited in China, Fushun had by far the worst air quality.

[@dirkfolscher3001]

What was it fog or smog?

[@christinesinclair6938]

"State enterprise housing" sounds like Government run coal-patch to me! Speaking as the descendant of people who lived on US Coal patches (my grandpa was born on one!) Anything where housing is dependent directly on your job gets my hackles up. My great-grandfather and great-grandma were lucky enough to save up enough actual cash to get off the coal patch with my grandpa and his siblings. These poor miners never will.

[@THEScottCampbell]

As long as they are building more coal-fired power plants, let's hope they are also building smokestack scrubbers. They could also harvest the CO2 for greenhouses to boost food production.

[@dknowles60]

China dont know what a smokestack Scrubbers are

[@BettyBettyBoBetty]

and the banned Australian Lobster is also the hottest black market item in China right now

[@owenw2595]

Hottest thing in black market is US Dollar, Australian Lobster is around 20USD/kilo in Amazon China, available all the time. Check before note.

[@BettyBettyBoBetty]

@@owenw2595 Australia's lobsters are going in through Hong Kong and are selling on Baidu's wholesaling platform for 1500 yuan ($360) PER LOBSTER some with same day delivery in Guangdong - try again

[@3tapsnu0ut87]

"Cos everything in our 'throw away' society is 'made In China', we can't criticise too much when most of it is shipped to us to 'throw away'.

[@xfire7]

Put huge taxation on disposable goods from China.

[@3tapsnu0ut87]

@@xfire7 That's fine place to start. I would add incentives to buy goods that are repairable which would result in work for small appliance repair shops . . . . worthwhile jobs and apprenticeships back again. What's the hold up for introducing these 'backward' improvements pronto? Lets bring back pride and achievement in work instead of wasted slavery which holds zero opportunity for feeling useful or worthwhile.

[@stephenm6165]

Aussie here and damn does Scott Morrison LOVE coal, especially bringing in Chinese dollars. I mean it's good for the economy, but we could be world leaders in solar. We have so much free space and sunlight for it. If we capitalized on this to produce "green" steel, not only would this provide a large number of good jobs, it would greatly reduce CO2 emissions from other countries making steel with coal. Plus solar is cheaper than coal energy now, so it could be competitively priced. Our politicians are so dumb sometimes.

[@briananthony4044]

But 300 million tons a year in coal exports can't be wrong lol. Especially when coal prices have hit about $250 a ton

[@briananthony4044]

Actually one years sale of coal would have paid for the 12 Attack class French submarine fleet.

[@hithere7382]

You have so much free space for nuclear waste too though.

[@rw-xf4cb]

Well you can thank the unions for raising wages so much most manufacturing went overseas. To have holiday loading (i.e. an extra payment when you take your main leave is incredulous). There is so much redtape on employment probably a lot of unnecessary stuff, then you have payroll tax an additional tax on a business to employ people so why would a business bother. If government and unions were so interested they could setup economic zones in the country to incentivize manufacturing and monitor those business but that's never thought about.....

[@jackholman5008]

Doenst chinese money for your coal go to your government?

[@adamdeste7376]

When I was in fushun you could smell coal all winter. Chimneys puffing smoke , old chimneys and old neighborhoods. At its peak 1/3rd work force if Fushun was employed by coal mines. And the bed shown at 7:47 is where I had the best sleep of my life.

[@firebirdstark]

Great channel, great video. Thanks for all you do to bring the truth to the forefront, guys

[@thetileguy1492]

Elephant in the room: Great piece, I hope you have a good exit plan when this gets out because two Canadian news people are still being held after 3 years as spies.

[@deekobald9260]

Fyi... both Winston and his friend have moved to the USA a few years back... they are showing old footage with current news.

[@GreatBigBallz]

The videos are a few years old. The 2 Michaels are released as part of a hostage exchange. We traded Wanzhou Meng, Huawei's CFO, for the 2 children of an American banker who ran some sort of security scam there, and the 2 Michaels

[@ALA87]

Thank you guys for everything you do. You guys really are doing important work.

[@olliefoxx7165]

You 2 are a reliable source for a variety of many important issues affecting the world. I've always wondered about the Chinese coal consumption in reality vs claims in Western media.

[@evazheng2046]

You guys did awesome job. News with dated pictures is the masterpiece.