Has China Won? Kishore Mahbubani & Graham Allison on COVID-19 and the Shifting Global Order, 4.7.20

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About Has China Won?
Kishore Mahbubani, a diplomat and public intellectual with unrivaled access to policymakers in Beijing and Washington, and Graham Allison, Harvard University professor and author of bestseller "Destined for War", will shed light on the shifting global order in the time of coronavirus and what it will mean for businesses and our lives for many years to come. Financial Time's columnist Rana Foroohar will moderate the talk. This event is timed to coincide with the publication of Mahbubani’s new book, "Has China Won?"
This virtual program, part of our 'Beyond COVID-19' series, was held by China Institute online on April 7, 2020. Learn more at: www.chinainstitute.org

[@untertk3048]

Kishore and Graham almost exactly represented how an Asian intellectual vs an American counterpart thinks and behaves. Kishore looks humble, diplomatic, and intelligent. Graham, while also intelligent, yet shows unwillingness to adapt to changes (still holding on to his Thucydides theory) and excessive confidence (US will always win at the end). But the key misconception that many Americans even including Graham is it is NOT China’s goal to win anything, their sole goal is to improve Chinese people’s life, while America’s mentality is winning at all cost.

[@paulvandijck6476]

Very well put!

[@michaellim135]

The race is still on, with America holding a slight edge over China. Not too sure 10 years from now? Hopefully diplomatic role will tops over weaponry of mass destruction.

[@ahsoontan1219]

Silverlight983 totally agreed with you, China believe in co-existence,whereas the Americans ruling elites believe in “ my way or the highways

[@daniely500]

Perfect understanding

[@isoldel9313]

totally agree, they care so much about winning... what's winning when you let so many of your people die?

[@kakizeng9064]

I tried not to be emotional but I failed, when mr. Kishore said being called sick man of asia brings back a horrible memories to Chinese. That was so true.

[@donaldjoseph3903]

Classic Symptoms of being brainwashed.. sad 😔

[@ongbookok9320]

Don’t get harass by those China haters. If anybody speak in favour of China, they will question these people how much the CCP pay them. These is their way to muzzle those who spoke in favour of China .

[@achere4893]

Lol stop coming to China simple as that....

[@williamt3931]

this shows how insecure the anti-China elements are. If your system is so good, why do you feel so much worried about China's system that doesn't even impose its ideology and mentality to other countries?

[@ifuknjk]

separate china n the ccp… one is the people n ccp is the govt in power...

[@yl7806]

Those countries and people are just background noise for us. We just need to focus on what we have been doing, and ignore those noise. Their own stupidity and arrogance would take care of them in the end.

[@simony276]

Yes, it is harassment to others when they speak in favour of China.

[@chinkayeok6117]

Prof Kishore is real diplomat in how he answered those questions but he still made his point. China will gain if US is still slumbering away and feeding its ego and pride. More and more countries are knocking at China's door. You are absolutely correct Prof.

[@thisiskevin1000]

Generations of hawks, especially those born under SILENT GENERATION (1920-1945) and BABY BOOMERS (1945-1960) and its oligarchal backers

[@ysbh228]

Kishore knows Chinese culture very well. Chinese have long believed that only strongman leaders are able to maintain social prosperity and stability. Chinese also believe that strong government will ensure them to live and work in peace. Most Chinese believe education and hardworking will bring them lots of fortune. Since young, they were taught to plan ahead, always prepared for the worst and not to spend future's money so if anything happened suddenly they won't get panic easily.

[@brainwashington1332]

b/c he is a Singaporean, he worked under Lee Kuan Yu. and the other dumb dumb prof had the cheek to quote Lee Kuan Yu, and i am sure he got it wrong, but Kishore is too polite to correct him

[@ifuknjk]

Kishore read the same books as many on china... he has no original thoughts like lky… he never met mao or Xi but lky did...Kishore is a book salesman --his own books... outside of usa n china he never talked about Russia or Egypt or india or Persia or Greece … why ??? cse he is a one shot quiver

[@Yoube2010]

Correct!

[@zenlei8258]

@@ifuknjk Wahalau. You seem to be spot on and know him like the back of your hand. How did you do in his class ?

[@santanusengupta6799]

Absolutely, it's a multiploar world. And Prof Graham, the GURU says the US won the 2nd World War & he continues US has never lost a war. And nobody corrected HIM.

[@chuamengkim6020]

To have the covid 19 in China during the festive seasons is really a great sacrifices her people have to tolerate and suffers.

[@cklim3614]

Kishore has strike the bull's eyes. The USA Administration is not pulling it's talent in right place. I totally agreed

[@freelunchforchildren4040]

No more talent in the US, very low engineering enrollment. From an engineering professor.

[@hexgears6560]

Talented young peoples keep coming and migrant in the US due to buying the illusional liberal story. But die Elites of the US are screw up all the good spirits too soon.

[@paulvandijck6476]

I am a Dutchman living in France, who is convinced The EU can only survive, when it breaks with The American Military Empire and conducts an independent foreign policy. For The Eu it is a matter of life and death! Sooner ot later this is going to happen. By the way, the late Lee Kuan Yew predicted this many years ago. Furthermore, I am convinced the Chinese and other Asian peoples understand The West better than The West understands the Chinese and Asia at large.

[@tommypark855]

Paul van Dijck when someone claims to be from somewhere on china related posts on youtube, it’s almost always a chinese troll posing as being from somewhere else

[@paulvandijck6476]

@@tommypark855 Thanks for the compliment!

[@tommypark855]

Paul van Dijck lol. good one. a dutchman being proud to be called a 50 cent army troll. ive seen it all now

[@magefixler885]

Hey Paul I am an American living in Indonesia, I think you're right. Dutch living and doing business in Indonesia have no idea how much resentment the Indonesians have for them, they think they are actually liked. The Dutch East Indies Co. looted Indonesia for 142 years and they haven't forgotten, I think maybe you should educate your country men about how indigenous people feel about the Netherlands. Let's not talk about South Africa, I haven't lived there.

[@antunmk1]

@@paulvandijck6476 Spot on Mate 100% 👍👍👍

[@kz7822]

During COVID-19, we could all see how hypocritical and how weak the Western became. The future belongs to Asia. Be united!

[@navegantezen5983]

Rana, it took six months to the US to comunícate the WHO the outbreak of H1N1. So, when you say China was opaque in her communication, because it took one month, what are your standards?

[@hicat6245]

She has TWO STANDARDS or maybe more depends on where the outbreak starts.

[@chinkayeok6117]

Rana uncomfortable

[@maxdc988]

Because US and Western media said so. They tend to echo one another when it comes to China. (especially the global media empire belonging to Rupert Murdoch as he held a grudge with China and Chinese).

[@l.u.rehuher3714]

@@maxdc988 well what can you say. If Rupert Murdoch was running a newspaper in CCP controlled China, he would be shot in the back of the head and billed for the bullet. At least that's what his newspaper say, about the bullet, I mean.

[@zhangqian516]

@@maxdc988 Ironically his ex wife was a Chinese who later became an American!

[@x-creator4460]

Kishore pointed out some crucial factor towards the end of discussion - historical & cultural aspect of China which no one really seems to understand. The west always look at China and judge with their own set of lenses. The Chinese "meritocracy", efficient as it may sound, probably will not work for the western countries because the people simply do not have the same mindset as well as the idea of governance.

[@chuamengkim6020]

Ex premier Deng has learnt and emulate Singapore styles of governance which is based plainly on meritocracy for its generations.

[@ChinaInstitute]

That was an interesting part of the discussion. We quoted it in the blog: www.chinainstitute.org/recap-china-won-kishore-mahbubani-graham-allison/

[@seaskyguy]

The fact that Xi was chosen would serve as a good example of the merit of "meritocracy" in China.

[@x-creator4460]

@@ChinaInstitute A good example is when Graham Allison said "One of you has got a party-led autocratic system which is a 20th century operating system on which you are trying to paste 21st century apps, and that's not going to work." That has been a typical view by many in the west (oil and water cannot mix, thus China's capitalistic market under a socialist government is bound to collapse eventually), but the last 30 years has proven otherwise. They underestimated the unique/intrinsic Chinese culture and civilization which has survived the past 5000 years.

[@drwkng2262]

i was surprised that graham didn't seem to understand Chinese "meritocracy". it is not about education. if you wanted to get into the government you would need to pass the government official examination before certain age. i think it is 35. after that tough luck. once you get into the government, you have to work through the ladders starting from the bottom. no one can suddenly turn up and become a government officials. if you don't do well, you will never be promoted. of course there are people who try to bypass the system through corruptions. but that is beside the point. so in order to be a top official in china, once needs to go through a long process of governing. this has been the system in china for thousands of years.

[@lifeisgreatje]

I totally agree with Professor Kishore. He has a comprehensive understanding of both east and west. USA is losing the game because it become unwillling to take resposibilities while still enjoy the privileges.

[@1WhiteAkita]

I don't know how often the panelists talked to the common, unprivileged Chinese in the grass roots. I had that opportunity a year ago. What struck me most is the common people in China - they are satisfied with the current government under Xi Jinpeng. What I've heard repeatedly was, "This government is good." And they trust Xi's leadership in bringing them peace and prosperity. This is all the Chinese want, all through it's 5,000 year + history.

[@antoniorsoftware]

Back in the 70s my country was way ahead of China. We had strong industry, our companies had contracts in foreign countries, etc... 50 years later today we don't even have companies to build bridges anymore, instead Chinese company is building it and EU is funding it. We made no progress at all in 50 years, instead we import and live on debt.

[@Fai2012]

@@antoniorsoftware For sure man... we only got 5 new stations of metro/subway of about 15km, in the past 20 years!!!

[@maxdc988]

There were a number of survey done in the past by independent research firms in the West such as Gallup, Pew and Edelman on the satisfaction and trust in the government/country and not surprisingly, China was at the top and US among the bottom.

[@chwang3539]

The weired thing is Foreigners think Chinese people are not satisfied with their country system and leader.

[@tommypark855]

CHWANG it’s not at all weird once you come out of denial.

[@hpaul2864]

China’s growth on the world economy is the “one of the greatest achievements in world history”. The poverty rate went from 88% to less than 1% and life expectancy increase by more than 10 years. And many more achievement can be added.

[@tommypark855]

H Paul who put the 88% in extreme poverty in the first place? the ccp. it’s like an arsonist starting a fire and burns down nearly everything, puts out the fire way too late, then demands praises.

[@hpaul2864]

@@tommypark855 China and India were the World’s richest economies for Centuries due to free trade, until the British Empire came along with their War Ships and Drugs 200 years ago. China & India were both defeated and colonised into poverty.

[@hpaul2864]

@@tommypark855 When China builds roads & ports to other countries, some call it “invasion”. When America drops bombs on other countries, some call it “liberation”

[@tommypark855]

H Paul You mean when the CCP locks up millions of its innocent falun gong practitioners for torture and organ harvesting, you call it “re-education”?

[@tomhall53]

@@tommypark855 Hmm, what was the poverty rate in 1949? I am not sure, but what I do know is that in 1976 when Mao died life expectancy in China was much higher than in 1949, the infant mortality rate was much lower than in 1949 and the literacy rate was much higher than in 1949. The population also grew dramatically in that period. The basis had been set for the rapid growth that followed.

[@sgcitywalk]

the west may feel uncomfortable about Kishore's words.. I saw comment asking how much Kishore is taking from CCP.. I think we can see another perspective, Chinese ppl are actually quite weak on talk or propaganda and only good at doing things.. and the west was too used to the humble Chinese voice.

[@mikebo3775]

You are totally right. Actually CCP’s propaganda is super weak, even the people living in China for 40 years like me are seldom watching their TVs and newspapers, that’s why I am here. Ridiculous case here is, after I spend more and more time in western medias, I support China government more and more! Before I visited western medias, I am a “pro-democracy”, and now I am a 100% pro-China and supporting our government. The things happened in Hong Kong wake up many many mainland Chinese turn to be pro-China, and this virus outbreak turn more common Chinese to support Chinese government. I read a official investigation of western source shows that about 17% Chinese turn to anti-America recently one year. That is what I see here in mainland China. Common people here are more and more supporting the CCP government but more and more dislike America, especially it’s government. All I can tell you is, what western medias talk about China are 90% fake or bias. Chinese people don’t hate the CCP, and they don’t feel depressed by the CCP also. They just want a peaceful life and working hard for their family and the future. Since past 20 years Chinese life standard keep improving, why should they change? Or why should they want to change?

[@sword7872]

Kishore is one of the few outsiders that really seem to understand china and be able to articulate china's situation in a way that Westerners should understand.

[@tommypark855]

@MIKE BO Just read your own comment. It shows how effective the CCP propaganda is. You think exactly how the CCP wants you to think

[@asmaani74]

@@reddc9106 2 different civilisations with 2 completely different attitudes towards state, leadership and freedom. As a Polish person I completely understand so-called American values, which in fact are a much broader civilisation system that is based on Christianity and the Latin Law system. Everything we have, everything our acestors created and fought for was built on this framework. The Chinese created their own system, too bad it was mutilated and degenerated by communism. Anyway they do not value freedom on national or indyvidual level. They just want to prosper. They will obey anyone, and feel happy as long as they can be or become rich. They do not mind control, as it enables stability. For us it's not acceptable. We do want to prosper, but we hate being controlled, we hate our freedoms to be limited or taken away. Back in 16th century a Frenchman asked a Polish man 'what do you need your Poland for?'. The answer was simple and short, 'so that we can enjoy our freedoms'.

[@sword7872]

Ula chlopicka you are probably not aware that the CCP have lifted 800 million chinese out of poverty in one generation. Compared to many Americans in the bottom 50 percent who are going backwards in income and living standards, most Americans are living from paycheck to paycheck and homeless numbers in the US are growing. Believe me, chinese are not stupid and only after stability although stability is important. They are realistic. Most have come a long way in terms of prosperity and opportunity but they don't expect to be suddenly given riches on a plate. The CCP has created economic conditions in China for the majority to succeed. They are not just looking after 1 percent as is happening in the US.

[@zhengpinghu]

What an eye opening discussion they presented! I believe the differences between China and US are: 1. China is willing to look inward and try to identify its problems and solve them；US is eager to look outward and blame someone else instead of himself when things go wrong. 2. China is willing to learn and US is eager to lecture.

[@paulmaking1980]

I respect Kishore Mahbubani perspectives on the rise of China & Asia, he's been proven to be correct, China & Asia will return to centre stage of global power, backed by economic & demographic trends, Covid-19 will not stop this trends, despite what people in America say, Europe & America must change & adapt to a world, which will be a Asian led world order.

[@graziaarmanno6880]

paulmaking1980 I completely disagree bog troubles coming their way the vires boomerang affect on them.

[@subspace666]

i agree some Asian countries will soak up part of china's economic power, but china itself will suffer badly from Covid-19 i am not even talking about government actions , the consumers alone could cripple them, trend reversals happen sometimes, and if something can make it so, Covid-19 is certainly big enough to make it happen. humans don't really adapt to the world anymore like we use to, now we adapt the world for us instead mostly. but i suspect possibly the usa or some others will nudge china enough to make it collapse if somehow they don't imploded themselves. still possible china would win somehow and flourish but i have no clue how they could pull that off its beyond my mental capacity to imagine it.

[@greenbeanfroggy3177]

@@subspace666 Don't really need to imagine, it will happen in 15 years and you will see. If you're a European or American, then nothing significantly different, but if you're an Asian(including Australian), then better to adapt to the fact that everything around will be under China's influence.

[@subspace666]

@@greenbeanfroggy3177 well they pretty much allready under china's influence excluding australia , but when i say china i allways mean ccp or pla. if they ever fall china will still be there with 1+ billion people. its the gouverment i see falling not china itself, china is a house of cards many there only waiting for the good moment to revolt.

[@kelvinw7801]

subspace666 if u travel to China once, that may will change ur mind.

[@mr.cosmos5199]

China has a long history of war and peace and deeply understand the horrors of war and the benefits of peace. China is not interested to interfere with how other countries do their things. All it wants is to be allowed to do its own thing without outside interference or bullying.

[@spidermann1256]

25:00 Allison's analogy of the 3rd innings when the US won WW2 is based on Hollywood fantasy. Sorry, Mr. Allison, but the US did not break the enigma code [Bletchley did], nor break the Germans [Russia did at massive sacrifice] nor win the war single handed. Other than that, interesting discussion.

[@navegantezen5983]

Anyway, the Soviets had already break the back of the German Army.

[@rogerfaint499]

@@navegantezen5983 And China contained 95% of the Japanese imperial forces within China (an estimated 1.5 million Japanese military personnel were in China during WW2), while US had to contend with a fraction of the Japanese imperial forces. When the Japanese troops marched south from Burma, Thailand, to Malaya and then broke through Singapore (the so-called 'impregnable' fortress), these 80,000 that marched through Singapore were subsequently dispersed to the Philippines and these were the forces that the US had to deal with compared to 1,500,0000 that China had to fight against.

[@nayanmalig]

@@rogerfaint499 Don't say that - Americans do not like to be woken up from their stupid Hollywood fantasies LOL

[@bm8292]

@MrMagooo I agree. The Americans are still exporting arms and ammunitions to despots the world over. There are no industry worth its name in America. America imports 80% of its requirements from China. These are facts.

[@hexgears6560]

Americans: that's too real, man! don't wake me up.

[@MsOpineminded]

Kishore is a practitioner. Allison is a theorist. Kishore is absolutely right but he has to stop making excuses for the US. 1) The problem with the US (Republican or Democrate) is they view China-US competition as a zero sum game. 2) They believe it is an exercise of Democracy against Authoritarianism. As Kishore says, it is more one of a Plutocracy versus a Meritocracy. 3) The US (particularly with current regime) has become the spoiler on the International stage. It has removed itself from commitments with Paris Climate Accord, preaches freedom of the sea in the SCS but has yet to ratify the UNCLOS, has withdrawn funding now from the WHO, has walked back on its agreements with Iran (much like it did with Native Americans) The bigger question is how can we trust the US for its word with this sort of pattern of behaviour going forward? As Kishore says, China is not interested in promotion of ideology, it is the US that is mired in religion and proselyting, trying to sow conflict with China uneccesarily. Stop making excuses for the US. Call the Emperor's new cloths.

[@TheOtakuPrince]

Very good point. I saw it on Kishore as well. He might understand China but he has some bias with the US. The problem in the US is the US system itself.

[@keffinsg]

He is first and foremost a diplomat. He knows it is counter productive to be overly critical of any one party because it causes it to take offence then become defensive. If you read between the lines, he is actually very critical of the US, he just mixes in some niceties so that it is more palatable to the US audience.

[@jerry9383]

Kishore had a deeper understanding for China

[@holarryho]

Kishore has deeper points in general. Graham keeps falling back to his typical points.

[@felixzhao9070]

The U.S. should be humble, because it's so young and China is a survivor of 5000+ years history; China should be humble, because in just 200+ years, the U.S has built up such a wonderful country in human history.What a blessing to the world it would be if these two countries to continue to cooperate and unfortunately, VICE VERSA.

[@orangeoceanmonkey]

US military will end CCP

[@jimmychoo1661]

Taiwan will do it alone.

[@liangpeili235]

US millitary tried it decades ago in Korea, and again in Vietnam. Welcome to try again.

[@neroravtong]

@@orangeoceanmonkey well, if you want the whole planet reset to the Stone aga, yeah, feel free to try ;D

[@ayambo3281]

@@reddc9106 Before you try to be a smart alec and call others stupid, I suggest you get a good education first. You can start by learning how to write proper English.

[@giornogiovanna2701]

The United States should be responsible for the financial crisis in 2008 and compensate the world！😡

[@guangzhou1814]

Kistore is a really wise man, future history will prove that he is right.

[@nomoredamnnamestouse]

He served as a diplomat under Lee Kuan Yew when Singapore wasn't so developed, of course his opinions is whole lot more objective than some closed minded arrogant Western know-it-alls.

[@alanfriesen9837]

I think all three of these speakers are great. What a privilege to be able to watch this.

[@dominiccordova8347]

Kishore is a CCP apparatchik who refuses to admit ANY CCP violations in geopolitics or domestic policy. He will NEVER make a critical statement on Chinese policy. SO, he is less than an objective political commentator in Sino-US relations and has to be viewed in this light. All he ever does in the 20 lectures and discussions I have listened to, is spout ccp talking points without ever mentioning the OBVIOUS fatal flaws of the ccp system and the horrible socioeconomic situations that the Chinese populace are existing under. Never hear him mention Tibet, Xinjiang, Hongkong, Taiwan, the North Korean and Uighur slave labor, forced organ transplants, forced urban migrant labor, horroble conditions of the kids left behind, lack of independent courts, free press, free speech, freedom of assembly, right of protest, forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, Orwellian control of the populace and the Chinese diaspora, Violations of the Sovereignty of all their neighbors, export of their Orwellian techniques and technology to Banana republic tyrants, debt trap diplomacy, etc., etc., etc. No Kishore, with ALL the horrible qualities of the American system, no one except Asian elites like you would ever act like the Chinese system is an ACCEPTABLE and viable alternative that global citizens would willingly choose or prefer.

[@HaceSunnyDSol]

@@dominiccordova8347 -xinjiang is fake news. -hong kong is and will always be part of China. Secessionism will never be tolerated, and rioter behavior will be even untolerable -taiwan wrote in its constitution that large pieces of land in mainland China belongs to them. they should revoke that clause in their constitution before declaring independence - north korea is supported by china to prevent a complete korean US puppet state from bordering russia and China - organ harvesting is fake news. This is stated by the CIA by themselves in the wikileaks - what is "forced migrant labor" lmfao. everyone is paid - what is horrible conditions of the kids left behind back - independent courts exist in democratic systems. this argument is a failure unless you want to debate about ideology - forced technology transfer is literally Chinese manufacturers learning how to manufacture goods because they were taught how to manufacture it. - IP theft is a joke. the US has more trade violations in the world than anywhere else. China has won nearly 90% of IP theft court proceedings in the west. - debt trap diplomacy is fake news. China has relieved more debt than the World bank or IMF combined. - where did China export its orwellian technology to? which countries. list one So many buzzwords. So much propaganda. Its no wonder Kishore doesn't touch up on those subjects. True you can bring up geopolitical rivalry and sovereignty issues but the rest is straight trash.

[@zzlee79]

@@HaceSunnyDSol don't bother with someone who propogate so many fake news and most are created by the American on the Chinese. many just accept these news as true and never bother really find out the facts.

[@fengfei5654]

Kishore is superb, who's understanding of China is even much more persusive and superior than most Chinese people do.

[@johnkaikunli]

It always amazes me how the West constantly wants to impose its values on our Chinese Culture. Mr Jack Ma asked correctly, "How many Chinese books have you read" before judging us?" I graduated from Columbia University and now living in Hong Kong, China so I know the pros and cons of both systems. The phone-ins and the hosts seem to use the word "authoritarian" indiscriminately based on the often biased Western MSM. Please come to China more often and enjoy our food, scenery and hospitality. By the way, please ask your government to stop destabilizing our government as well as other parts of the world.

[@MissAwa515]

John Li Well put. When I hear those arrogant and ignorant comments on China from people here in New York, I simply ask them, have you read a single piece of Chinese written article? If not, you don’t really have the same bilingual information pool to discuss with me. I just cannot believe until this day, the arrogance in this culture is still going strong. Even in their elite class.

[@issyk6827]

Well said, both of you. Cannot agree more. The most illogical argument I hear all the time is "we don't trust the CCP government" by Americans. Meanwhile, they don't live in China, they don't know the culture, they don't speak or read Chinese, and have zero clue on what is going on. I can understand if we are talking about the 80s or prior when information was limited. Now, with the internet and more Chinese can communicate in English, why they they try to understand more before they judge and persecute.

[@asiacuisine4869]

The world should be not be talking about war, but peace and working together. Whenever its US is involved, war will always be part of it. The world needs to get together and stand up against US instead.

[@asiacuisine4869]

@@reddc9106 Stupidity is what people like u and some Americans see in the mirror.

[@sunsunny2379]

China successfully storey is not because of USA. It is due to it culture. The Chinese are disciplined and hard working. President Xi is one of the Great leader of China. He will bring peace and prosperity to China.

[@kongchai5070]

Professor Kishore, I\we admirably expect a crucial book on Covid19 right after the crises gets over.

[@2sridhark]

Most Western analysts do not know China as well as Kishore does. It was a treat to listen to him.

[@kennethauyeung9505]

Win-win policy was Graham advocated and that's what China always stressed on regarding relationship with other countries, including the US, whereas US insisted on America First -- i.e. America wins and winner takes all.

[@simonooi2544]

New world order is to save the world and not to bully others by show of supremacy. Thanks to both speakers who spoke very well and have certainly added much values rightly and also wrongly of what is to become of China & US. As the world has been in the last few centuries since colonial time and especially so since ww2, were heavily influenced & conditioned by the Western perspectives. Hence the tendency of looking into the future is dictated by Westerners' lenses who merely seek to see who is more powerful from the strength of military, economy, affluence and intellect capabilities. Again the winner is one country who can exert more bullying tactics over others in order to benefits unfairly. This is indeed an old order of tribalism mentality. Do we want to revisit this millennium old survival mindset??? Sorry to say, many people don't see how the Chinese look into the world future since CCP unified the nation into one. In the last 3 thousand years they have gone through untold wars, sufferings and hardships from dozens of dynasties rising and collapsing, and also the greatest massacre, lootings, humiliation waged by the Westerners & Japanese. The Chinese just wants to be strong, self sufficient and capable to survive and maintain good relationship with other nations to protect and maintain a peaceful and harmonious coexistence. Hence when peace is finally restored the Chinese been hardworking, talented and wise were able to create so much values, products & services with exceptional standard sought after by the world over. By applying good wisdoms of age old sages taught by Lao Zi and Confucius who seek not for extravaganza, be useful to society and respectful of others they just did what they supposed to do for the unilateral goodness. The magnitude of the success was unexpected even to the Chinese themselves who never aspired to reign the world like the Western imperialism mindsets. This is just the simplest truth but Westerners complicated everything and bad-mouthed the Chinese to the extent of condemning the evil of communism and brainwashed others to view whatever Chinese as unworthy and inhuman regardless of how she has contributed to the the cause of goodness. Ask yourself who created such propaganda? Chinese? The politics of the west has used the media to conditioned the world by falsification everything with regard to China & others poor nations in order to feel great & gained control of the world. China has never fought any war outside their country's border in the last millennium yet the media had made up millions of reports, news & conferences accusing how aggressive, threatening and destructive China has been.This is a false positive psychology, they're just sleeping & expect to build castles on solid ground. Is this a colonialism strategy again? It's time humanity wake up from sleeping. As China become prosperous she knew that such wealth cannot last long if she did not distribute and share it to the world for the mutual benefits in other ways. In the Western prospective if you can do something what the west cannot do in the last few hundred years of colonization ruled, this BECOME A THREAT TO THEM. Now the Coronavirus is clearly sending a very clear message, when you cheat, bullied, looted and enslaved others for your own benefits, you were actually sleeping most of the time and building castled in the air.

[@venkateshpatnala2212]

Dear Simon...it seems you are a long sentence but mean nothing but proCCP vs West/US but what you miss is Humanity should win over Currency,So said Health is Wealth...Freedom will ultimatly win over Dictatorship...Democracy will win over Idiocracy...may it be China or US/UK...and others...you can deceive by Lie sometimes and somebody but not everybody and everytime...This is what rest of the world feels about CCP...Please do some soul searching...or else what your?( I am not sure... you are a chine)citizens feel...but I as an Indian view at present...the Chinese are just as if 'SLAVES' of CCP...No Freedom of speech...No accountability to Human Life...and finally No Future!!!

[@danh_dang7912]

@@venkateshpatnala2212 Are you sure your thoughts is correct? There are 150 million chinese tourists every years all over the world. Are they stupidly return to a land that you think is miserable? Don't be brainwashed by one side's media propaganda. Look at the facts.

[@user-zk5gf3zo5d]

@@venkateshpatnala2212 India's caste system is the most unreasonable one in the eyes of Chinese people. It is obviously slavery that determines a person's fate by birth, but in the eyes of your Indian elites, you turn a blind eye to it.

[@venkateshpatnala2212]

@@danh_dang7912 My Views are wellknown as I get likes plenty of times...Don't be smart!!! Perhaps you are not aware of Questionare comments...search??? three already posted...now about your 150 million tourists...after 10 feb I think lunar newyears day till 10 March we follow many news... But the most astonising scenario is ''I am Chine, I am not a Virus" unleased at ?Florence/ITALY...on 1/2 ...that distructed Italy...is no less than 9/11...Why the left wings of Dragan destructed Italy..Spain...UK...US...now the most Trajectory Catastrophe of Human history...So it should be called WuhanCCP virus...He,Xi...named it CORONA but it evolved as a FRANKENSTEIN, an evil Genius...that is APOCALYPTIC Natural Selection??? He who obtains has little...He who scatters has much!!! Still you want truth...Q1...Because of this 'one issue' the man FAN LYU? who used this phrase had nothing in him like "HUMAN RIGHTS" thus so can't view its POTENTIAL, a delusive mind which can't perceive the difference between LIFE&DEATH,...offcourse we too have a far suprior Clown..an IITian CM in India! The fairy tales of these cold murderers...these power hungry clowns will be soon unearthed.....Q 2 My 12 yr old girl asked one Q?...With what Right Wuhan Victims,INCINERATED by CCP authorities and ash urns given later to relatives even defied the law of Identity???This is a big HUMAN RIGHTS issue..which Amnesty should take an initiative SUO MOTO???

[@simonooi2544]

@@venkateshpatnala2212 For your info, I am educated in the western prospective and being listening to the Western news and reports all my life. One day I discovered all the western news propaganda and media were mostly lies and causing fears to delude and brainwashed the world usually for some evil motives behind. Similarly Mr Kishore was also educated in the West, for your other questions please find out from him why he made that 180deg drastic turn to pro China? He is ethically an Indian descendant. Is he anti US in his blood? Unfortunately you have been following the fabricated news all the times. If you don't brush up yourself wisely there is no one in this world could help you. Just stay naive and been brainwashed your whole life if you cannot.

[@maryzheng2329]

I don’t think China’s approach is zero sum game. What China Concerns about is its people’s livelihood. To improve their living standard. But USA is trying destroy this.

[@lessonlearned9399]

Kishore answered to Zachary Klein's question is what Andrew Yang's campaign is all about. Take care of your people not the top 1% or the military dealers.

[@MyKarur]

Kishore is right. This Pandemic will be a rude shock to the US and force a change for better or worse. Equally, China too will be forced to question its own course, which has delivered for the Chinese masses for 40 years but is starting to fail its own people and the world.In short, a reboot of both countries is urgently required

[@lessonlearned9399]

Every words that Kishore said are so useful, make sense and meaningful. He is such a wise and humble great man. Every moment he said something is not boring, as compared to others. I can keep listening to him for a long time without even realizing it. Kishore knows history and what he is talking about with an open mind. I couldn't agreed more of what he was saying.

[@KK-xi7vh]

Thank you China Institute, learnt a lot. Keep up the good work. Stay safe everybody.

[@yunshenghe932]

Regarding Kishore's comment on meritocracy vs plutocracy, he did good explanation in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/imKkimx-bZ6nirs 1:19:50 it is not really about how good your universities are.

[@lagazhang7380]

Great talk, great comments I've ever seen in the last few months. Wish everyone staying safe and survive in this global pandemic!

[@ouronlyhome2462]

Comparing Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, etc. to Chairman Mao? He is way off the base ...

[@mateusmahumane8990]

The phrase "Sick man of Asia" carries a very serious negative connotation in Asia and particularly in China. It can be equated with "N" word in the United States and "Kaffir" in South Africa.

[@vc4510]

The Europeans Explored Africa, then there were colonies; discovery for Australia and Americas and established the Commanworth of Australia, the USA and Canada; colonies of Spain and Portugal in SA; in Asia, there full and semi colonies, in ME there were.... The great Chinese sea explorer Zhang He had sailed to south east coast of Africa 50 years in 16 century before Christopher Columbus discovered America. Zhang He always returned home with small souvenir s such as giraffe in exchange of gifts .. Zhang HeZ's fleet was massive over 200 ships and 20,000 sailors, while Columbus fastest ship of 3 Santa Maria's length was 45 feet which was much shorter than the 65' width of Zhang He's massive ship. The British, Spanish, the Portuguese... just about every country in Europe had done it. China certainly hhd the technology and wealth to do it too but never enslaved the other countries. Check it out in Wikipedia.

[@tinal1592]

Vincent Chow Thanks for sharing! I never know this part of history, will read more about it

[@vc4510]

Nana, Hello. My guess is that you didn't know about the Chinese sea explorer Zhang He. Please do your own research. Verify your information from different reliable sources. Please don't just believe me. Be safe.

[@jlkh03]

I wonder the future contest between the world's #1 China and the emerging #1 India would be a lot more measured in tone and conduct. The current contest is framed as between good vs evil simply because it fundamentally challenges Western supremacy for the first time since, frankly, Western supremacy. In contrast, the Chinese and Indians have no such illusions of themselves nor each other and have played this game for centuries in their own way.

[@sunustronicscomtech9797]

Remember in this April China and India celebrates 70years of diplomatic relations which they plan to celebrates with 70 event 35 in each country its the covid19 that's stop the events but its good century relationship

[@DipakBose-bq1vv]

There is nothing to celebrate as India and China are not friends but enemies.

[@MrTaloul]

I disagree. I agree that America and many western powers are losing political and economic power and asian countries like china and India and Indonesia and others are gaining economic, social, and political power. However , china and India still have huge challenges. China always collapses by its own doing due to arrogance and emperors who have no limit on their power...look at what Xi of china dead...look how many people he jailed from his own party to consolidate power...look how he holds multiple positions at the same time, that is not about smart strategy, it is about power...also still the vast majority of Chinese are poor ..yes GDP in china is very impressive but individual income, education, and healthcare are not and are still very weak even after opening up...also how can the people ever be smart if the gov wants to control everything about their lives....also how can china move forward when there is no rule of law ..other countries will start implementing the same strategy and they will collapse ..

[@MrTaloul]

Also India has many problems with Pakistan and has huge levels of curroption...let us not forget that India has an extremist Hindu government that keeps getting more vocal and India has even more poor people than china who live in many slums.. also the idea that the world will go through a pure asian order is silly since other countries in the west are raising while others fall...the same can be said about the eastern world ..the Arab world and many African countries are not doing well... Iran is also not doing well.... Japans economy is not what it once was and you don't see much innovation coming from it as opposed to the past.... however, you also see other countries raising like Vietnam and Indonesia and India eventually....it is not black and white....same thing is true of Europe... Poland is doing a great job and keeps growing and Estonia has drastically improved...also Nordic countries are doing great and for the most part so is Germany... Australia is another powerful economy but countries like France and America and canada and UK are all declining....

[@MrTaloul]

@Derius Li I believe anytime a Chinese communist follower sees something he does not agree with, he calls it propaganda

[@RonyGao]

Kishore Mahbubani is the kind of scholar that the world ends up regretting not taking seriously enough. In 40 years, the collective West will dig out his book and be like, darn, someone warned about our fate in 2020..

[@familykidsrus5858]

Thank you China Institute. This is how a thoughtful discussion on KZbin should be. Great discussion.

[@antoniorsoftware]

Great discussion between people that respect each other.

[@tommypark855]

AntonioR Software pure comedy between ccp paid mouthpieces

[@saabajoe]

I feel like I just sat through a high level political science class. I wish I could have intellectual face-offs of this caliber to enjoy everyday. Thank you for sharing with us.

[@zzlee79]

in summary, Kishore speaks of the future and Allison speaks of the past. if you want to know what is going to happen in 20 years time, listen to Kishore. if you want to listen to what happened in the past 20 years ago, listen to Allison.

[@xuj62]

The essence of Chinese mentality is to live, and to live well. Nothing to do with winning any stupid game, over anyone.

[@lenschen1573]

It's too early to say who will win. This must be a long trend which contain a lot of conflicts.

[@leonardguo5855]

Allison's point over China's university meritocracy is unjustified. There may be shortcomings with some faculties' promotion, but with new enrollment admission there is much more meritoccracy in china's the university system than that of USA

[@kucheriya1]

Nobody becomes new bully without taking down old bully. It took 2 World War before USA and Russia took over the world. It took 20 years of hidden war before USA became sole superpower. On the other hand, China rose by being workhorse of world, but workhorse can always be replaced. So let's not get carried away in philosophical and hypothetical discussion.

[@user-wt8gq7vj9i]

respect.he has integrity.

[@sariputa0123]

the only security problems we have is ourselves.

[@lianasammartino8490]

where is the link to Chinese institute?

[@jinminglanxinzhang7538]

I’m amazed that prof. Kishore really know China well and know what’s Chinese people’s mentality!

[@eugenechin2863]

@Sylvia Jiang He is from Singapore. Just about everyone, no matter the race in Singapore understands the way CHinese people think. In many respects, Indians from Singapore are more CHinese than Indian..lol

[@alanfriesen9837]

Dr. Allison's reference to weak emperors is interesting. It's a reference I've made myself. I have a slightly different take on it than Dr. Allison. I don't see Xi Jinping as a weak emperor. I think he is strengthening the position. The elimination of the term limit I think is comparable to the metamorphosis from the Roman Republic's Consul to the Roman Empire's Emperor which occurred under the most powerful and capable Roman ruler of all. There's reason to criticize this transformation. I don't know that Xi is necessarily the reincarnation of Cæsar Augustus (in fact I think he's the third most influential Chinese leader of my lifetime) and I know he has weaknesses and threats within his ruling party. Nor do I think the Peoples' Republic is an unassailable state. I would argue though that, regarding Dr. Allison's characterization of China's government as a twentieth century program trying to use twenty-first century applications, that the Chinese seem remarkably adaptive to real circumstances. A good argument for that is made by venture-capitalist and risk assessor Eric X Li. Also, Xi Jinping's crackdown on corruption in China seems to be having a strengthening effect on the political effectiveness of the country as well as improving the trust of government by the broader population. I would suggest that China is looking strong going forward, even considering the challenges it faces. Regarding the United States, I agree that one shouldn't bet against us. I don't think the American reaction to the current crisis has been very effective and that is because of the long devolution of government competence that both speakers mentioned with the poster-child of government incompetence running the whole thing right now. But even with great leadership, the system of checks and balances developed by our paranoid founding fathers would be throwing obstacles of effectiveness in the path of any functional solution. This is the short-term weakness of the American system, but it is also the long-term strength that has sustained this massive democracy for almost two-hundred-fifty years. It's because of this that the worst plans of some of our worst presidents have been left stillborn in congressional or bureaucratic purgatory or killed through the independent judiciary. While it makes for a somewhat lackluster curriculum vitae it has kept the country from going off the rails. The greatest threat to the United States right now is indeed a weak emperor, and I'm not talking about Donald Trump. In the democracy that the United States operates under, the emperor is the electorate-the people who have the right and responsibility to select their representatives, advisors, and governors. Right now, the electorate is weak. It's politically uneducated, it's susceptible to flattery, it's uninterested in governing, and it's unwilling to hear facts that fall outside its chosen narratives. Because of these flaws, the American "emperor" is out of touch with the needs of the country and the conditions of the broader world. Despite the currently weak emperor though, the United States is still strong. The strength of the United States is in its bureaucracy and that has not yet been undermined to the degree necessary to render the United States weak at this point. And while one political party regularly assaults the bureaucracy, the other regularly shores it up. As for the competition between the two powers, it seems that the Chinese side is much less rhetorically aggressive because it understands that it is still the weaker of the two powers. I worry a lot that both parties in the United States use China-bashing as a way to secure grass root support. And while China seldomly intentionally antagonizes the United States it does sometimes flex uncomfortably within its own geographic region as it tries to undo the concessions it was once forced to accept. I flinch when I see experts claiming that China is trying to undermine American values (or even on occasion human values) around the world. In the broader world I think that is a complete misread of Chinese intentions, though China would obviously prefer to see less American influence in East Asia. Of course, East Asia is where that Thucydides trap is most likely to be sprung.

[@yipman9691]

plz can we bring these speakers back - such a thoughtful interview. going to check out the book on audible.

[@GG-mn6fr]

If I may argue: 1. Actually, China is already number one economy in the world, by far, in terms of GDP PPP (purchasing power parity). ​@ 2. US' military bases in Japan and South Korea have been built there, in agreement with those nations' governments and in accordance with international law. The CCP is building military bases, oil rigs and fishing facilities on international waters in the South China Sea, violating international rules and in close proximity to countries like Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam, and Japan, posing a direct threat and confrontation to those countries' sovereignty. Not the same thing. ​@ (Vietnam. CNBC) ​@ (Philippines, CNN) ​@ (Indonesia, Gravitas) ​@ (Japan, Al Jazeera) 3. If China decides to build bases in SouthAm and Canada in accordance with international rules, and those countries voluntarily agree, there is nothing the US can do about it. 4. I know the CCP has evolved and has achieved staggering economic development, but in the the West many of us don't trust that the CCP will make good on their word to deliver those "reforms for the better" that you mention. Take for example China's entry in the WTO in 2001, or the Hong Kong handover in 1997...all promises and good intentions at the beginning, and look what is happening now... @ 5. Finally, I don't know if you are Chinese yourself. If you are, I will say that I have the upmost respect for the Chinese people and China. China is one of the oldest civilizations on Earth, with an incredibly rich history and culture. Chinese people are as kind, decent and hardworking people as you will ever meet. Our enemy is not China or the Chinese people. Our enemy is communism and totalitarian communist regimes that pose a threat to our freedoms and way of life.

[@kathri1006]

Also never draw conclusions 100 percent based on the history. In an evolving , dynamic situation, new paradigm s need to be developed, informed being the key word, from the history. Otherwise it will be like the stock market, the past performance has some relevance, but will not gurentee the desired outcomes.

[@seaskyguy]

Excellent session. Totally enjoyed the discussions, questions and answers.

[@nayanmalig]

Warren Buffet is one of the biggest bailout recipients in USA history - giving lectures on capitalism LOL

[@ChinaInstitute]

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[@sunnycriti9809]

Thank you Professor Kishore for opening my eyes to understand Global politics. Hopefully conflicts between several powers will be solved peacefully.

[@peterwang6452]

When the American empire is at its peak, of course, "settling American short" is always wrong. It is the same that "setting British short" two hundred years ago was always wrong, but not today.

[@rishsab1316]

selling, not setting

[@chuchonglim5746]

Excellent discussion! Thank you!

[@zenzenzenx]

Strikingly spot-on. Long video over 1 hr; nowadays most people have shorter attention span. Perhaps another edited version highlighting the points but shortened below 18 mins will be great.

[@cz5978]

Best discussion so far! Just as Graham said that if Americans don't wake up in the back drop of this covid-19 situation, its dominance will slip away for good.

[@win-eo2jq]

it's time to hold hand in hand to fight the covit 19

[@dant8891]

Kishore has criticized China about their claim on South China Sea, and told the US audience that some senior Chinese officials admitted to Kishore China's mistakes in handling SCS. That gave Kishore the added credibility as an independent thinker.

[@ygus3030]

To have a good leader is a blessing for a nation and its entire populations. Rise or fall ofa nation is pretty much led by and determined by its leader.

[@rayk5884]

The 300 year dynastic cycle only applies to traditional way of governance, namely, imperial. Today's Chinese government is vastly different and especially, as you say, base on mass meritocracy. People are more educated and more knowledgeable about the world (internet). Those factors and more would invalidate the 300 year theory. No?

[@drexchan]

Kishore's view is eerily similar to Prof. Zhang weiwei.

[@alext8718]

"Nobody ever made money in the long run selling the US short". Yes! Past tense,

[@ericc.4292]

how has China sold you short because if you bring back your manufacturing, the same product will cost us a lot more. If you move the manufacturing to the likes of India, Thailand, Vietnam, the quality might be even sub China for maybe 5yrs or even longer.

[@tommypark855]

Alan Tang actually products manufactured in those countries are already far superior to made in china products

[@wintors4286]

@@tommypark855 that's because you're paying a premium for those products which are under international quality control from large companies, China has these too. Your Apple phone (which is made in China) is an excellent example of this, and if you choose to pay a penny and select cheap products from China and then complain about it being poor quality then that's your issue. See premium products from leading manufacturers like Huawei, DJI. China is creating its own brands for world recognition, it is moving beyond the manufacturing hub it once was. while other countries that you've mentioned are just beginning their manufacturing industry. Tell me an internationally recognized brand from the countries you listed. You Can't, cause there are none, they're all manufacturing hubs. Sure, there are still so many smaller manufacturers in China that produce sub-par products and there are quality control issues with that but there is no perfect country, perfect system. The thing to focus on is how to eliminate small manufacturers that produce poor quality goods and invest in them so they can produce hight quality products. Trust me, no one wants a poor quality product when they have the choice. You have that choice, so stop buying it. Spend the premium and try a premium product from China. It will open your mind a little. Understand the bigger picture before you comment.

[@tommypark855]

@@wintors4286 I'm not in disagreement with you. I was simply refuting what Alan Tang was saying that is countries like vietnam and india can't replace China as our main manufacturing hub. To use your own example of international quality control, Samsung has been manufacturing many of their smartphones and other electronics out of vietnam for years with great success, so yes, I do believe we can move our manufacturing elsewhere without much fear of quality issues. I don't buy made in china products when I have a choice, and I'm all for paying extra for products made outside of China not just for quality, but to stop empowering the evil CCP to continue exploiting its own innocent people for slave labor.

[@fredlee4250]

Imagine that a similar viral disease occurred in USA in mid October or November, CDC would have been notified right away by a hospital or a doctor. CDC would have then announced the viral outbreak immediately without a second delay which would otherwise not have been tolerated by American public. Here, Chinese government, whether local or central, muffled and punished health care professionals, thereby by delaying the awareness of the outbreak. Meanwhile people were moving and traveling in and out of the source spot, spreading to the whole world. Local epidemic would never have been global pandemic if initial health care professionals and government officers cohesively acted promptly and openly.

[@kenyifrancis3145]

Thanks for the inside deliverance of this program.

[@johnathanhong2550]

The aircraft carrier killer mr kishore mahbubani said is the China made land to sea missile DF26. You can google DF26 and get insights to it. This different DF missile are very mobile and can be launched from any trucks and travel at several times the speed of sound and then get into the space sphere (to avoid early radar detection) and then come straight right down to hit it's target (Aircraft carrier AC) and sink the entire AC.

[@cklim3614]

Why American takes long endless years to learn Asian culture? Asian can learn American culture instantly. Is it with IQ?

[@peterlee1783]

because Asians have been learning western culture for centuries, ever since they were humiliated at the beginning.

[@peterlee1783]

I am a Chinese. Our textbook not only tells us our own culture and ancient history but also tells what we have learned from western culture since 1840.

[@slanteyedpoet]

no, it just takes a boundless amount of hubris not to learn a single thing that not necessarily be directed flashy flashy back on a western showman!

[@beautychang7122]

China just want their ppl to have a better life but do not want to dominate or trample on any countries. Just that other country especially USA is always finding fault with China. China can never be democratic that’s is for sure. If not the country will be chaotic. Anyway, in China there is so much freedom as long as u do not break the rules. So if country like USA should accept this instead of forcing democracy or feel treat on their own economy. If so USA should plan diligently on how to improve their economy instead of using all kinds of unscrupulous means to suppress another country. Not only China but USA should acknowledged and work together to make the world a better place.

[@happylife201]

China could introduce a $100 billion Covid-19 rescue package to help countries overcome this deadly outbreak. Just sending a few million masks and other medical equipment is not enough! The Chinese government needs to win back trust and goodwill at all cost.

[@michael_tse]

non sense question. How will 350millon people beat 1.4 billion people. it's only matter of time.

[@MsStar266]

There are also lots of ethnic Chinese overseas too have a bond with China.

[@tommypark855]

Purple Grape Uncle it’s actually the world vs ccp. not US vs china. ccp has no chance

[@liechinmannorman5140]

@@tommypark855 you should wake up from the stark reality the CCP no matter how the west intentionally demonizes it, is supported by the overwhelming majority of it's citizens. The hypocrisy n inept of so called western democracies governments has been exposed in their failures to control n contain the spread of Covid19 .

[@tommypark855]

@Lie Chin Man Norman You mean the overwhelming majority of brainwashed people? The shitshow going on in America, europe and other regions could have easily been prevented if the CCP had come clean about the wuhan virus instead of constantly lying to the world and its own people

[@liechinmannorman5140]

@@tommypark855 you can fool people once or twice, but to fool or brainwashed a majority of educated millennials at these day n age? You still have the old mindset of the cold war era of last century. Wake up to the stark reality that the Chinese communist have turned capitalist over the last 3 decades, it's you that is still having the old mindset of bygone era. Even Trump is calling CNN, FOXNEWS, etc..fake news.

[@rahuldaswani7944]

Kishore is an excellent orator with no numbers or hard facts to convince me about anything.

[@mypetsworld3433]

Mahbubani analysis based on reality, positivity, and facts, he also shows what corrective measures have to take to avoid this geopolitical contest between US & China , US need to review his forign policy, Kishore Mahbubani is genius, I really admire his intelligence

[@allaboutgaming5671]

Chinese invented the education system which the british copy and that's why the graduation hat and robe resemble the noble men of china who were literate.

[@jamesli1660]

No matter who won, this is a very good forum for understanding two powers . Keep going .

[@crishhari5903]

Both of them agree that China is making some errors but she is learn and trying to improve from it. US on the other hand under president Trump is making error but no correction is being done.

[@robertcox14]

What financial support do you get?

[@xuj62]

I've enjoyed this discussion very much. Thanks.

[@peterteo3488]

No single pure system can work and applicable to all the cultures and country. Traditionally, China has been doing well by taking extra systems and culture and integrated into their system. Of course the Japanese has done even better in the recent years. Therefore, there is pointless to argue communist systems ( as Krishore said, China has no interest in promoting communism and China is no more a communist country since she has tested and failed) against western democracy system ( practically there is no pure democratic system). Looking at Singapore, it is a good example of a mix of both but more towards western system due to the size and society.

[@mokhtaramran7041]

There is still massive potential especially with the third-tier cities in the inner lands, far from the coast. However, it remains to be seen if that potential can be tapped. There are many issues that hold under-develop areas in the middle kingdom. I believe those issues are less difficult to overcome than in India but only the future's past will tell. A competitive provincial system with less grip from the politburo might exponentially free up those developing areas but it would also mean a political system with more competition. This is a threat to the CCP and might induce more instability in China's buffer states(Xinjiang, Tibet). But conversely, it may increase stability in the Han ethnic core territories.

[@arjmobile5010]

Kishore's opinions are excellent

[@VX2hugo]

Allison was too defensive to the US.

[@LooNciFeRx]

46:19 us spies on you, china spies on, everybody spies on you. Singaporean meme by encik muthu " you die, i die, everybody die"

[@dragonballz2190]

USA - we're going to invade China. CHINA - why? USA - we have conclusive evidence that you're colluding with Aliens and have advance WMD and you're hostile towards the human race. CHINA - 🤣🤣🤣

[@lanwu2576]

Great panel. More follow up discussion Please

[@brainwashington1332]

Everybody take a shot every time one of these guys say "In my book"

[@LooNciFeRx]

Understand the word "vested interest" and you understand the world

[@yujiepan6005]

because it is indeed in his book.

[@maxyogi]

The discussion between these two Giants was great. It's funny though. Here is Allison building staunch complacency against China's social structuring prowess to build it's nation (contrary to his much, much earlier views as China being super cut to Western 'freedom') AND Mahbubani's further strengthening rationale/justification for China's preemptive hyper cautionary tale of keeping America on its soap box so as to never underestimate it's rival DESPITE China's solid covert dominance over the US. Really great discussion. Thank you.

[@yangyue6771]

Great program! Looking forward to more. Actual adults discussing issues, how novel.

[@abdulalimomar6116]

Hard working people will always win.

[@kathri1006]

Whoever is equality driven, compassionate towards its citizens, organized, quick to act as one will lead the world. If that country is clever they will hide it and would not rub that fact in others face.

[@dadidadida123]

hide till cannot hide anymore