Chip Will Remember This || The Sonic Omens Spoilercast & Review

[@Gackt4awesome]

Sonic Omens being about how a bunch of Russians who watched Sonic X for the first time and trying to connect the Metarex story to them canon wise is one of the funniest fanboy moves you could make

[@Seahawk1994]

In retrospect, not making this video's subtitle "The Passion of Chris Thorndyke" was a missed opportunity.

[@CarlosTorres-hq7lu]

I wondered why they didnt talk about Sonic Omens on Big Think, now I know why.

[@DaiGato420]

Kris did talk about Sonic Omens just not as much cuz it was a bit recent at the time kzbin.infoUgkx2lZONrVl9t3q-ApluNtYfsXn1FxIpp63?feature=shared

[@ToastyMozart]

Quasi-spaniard Shadow has potential, really following in the footsteps of Meta Knight from the 4Kids Kirby anime.

[@JapanFreak2595]

He does love Latinas

[@OPLOmega]

To correct Kris (because for some freakin reason I just retain this info very well) the Anti-Mobius versions of the Chaos Emeralds are called Anarchy Beryl. Anyways I feel like I'd be less "Bro what were they thinking" with Sonic Omens if it weren't for my aforementioned specific memory. Cuz I remember the fallout of holding demo builds behind a paywall (can't forget the stolen music in multiple aspects), the lead dev having... *allegations*, and the general mistreatment of not just any fans but even the VAs from said lead dev. That said I can still look at this all as a fascinating curiosity cuz man... lots of decisions were made.

[@masterxl97]

Making an entire fan game to explain why there aren’t any Chaos Emeralds in Sonic Colors has the exact same energy as Tetsuya Nomura creating an entire Kingdom Hearts game to explain why Mickey Mouse wasn’t wearing a shirt at the end of Kingdom Hearts I.

[@MondayThursday]

but like if there was just another version of Kingdom Hearts 1 out there where Mickey wearing a shirt was an important part of the climax

[@powerprotoman]

the purple beanie guy is just a forces create a character, you can boot the game right now and make exactly that design

[@qeridexis8604]

Oh hey it was me who said that stuff about Russians not getting the Sonic content aside from Sonic x to you on twitter! I think I need to make an addendum to that statement though. It wasnt that there were NO games of sonic in Russia, just that, well... you know how Sega could not compete with Nintendo and later on Playstation? Well yeah, it was like that here but multiply by 10. Basically I *knew* that sonic was a game first and that there were SOME games of it somewhere but at the same time Sonic X was broadcasted MASSIVELY by multiple different tv stations and at a really appropriate for kids time (right after school for me for example) so people knew Sonic X lore more than they knew about Sonic games in general. So yeah, basically what you said but slightly more realistic.

[@mugenfan556]

"Ambitious" is certainly the word of the day here. Sure the devs had ambition (and spite, if some things people said are to be believed), but I wouldn't call slapping a bunch of generic UE4 environment assets into someone else's Sonic fangame framework and commissioning a bunch of cutscenes (and supposedly not treating the VAs very well) worthy of that much praise. And that's besides the other dumb shit like putting a *fangame* behind a paywall and that shit with the Maria model It dropping right before Spark 3 and Sonic Frontiers is like a 1-2 punch of getting owned though

[@leonardoalvarenga7572]

Omens is still better than every official Sonic game combined.

[@borederlands5387]

ERM, ACTUALLY KRIS, they're called anarchy beryls

[@ToastyMozart]

The story I always heard about why so many of the games have such a wild variance and are all kinda scuffed is that Sega uses Sonic Team as a sort of training ground for inexperienced new hires. No clue if it's true or not though.

[@Sneeakie]

Sega regularly has developers from across the company moved to different games when completed. So it's less "Sonic Team is a training ground" and more "there is no actual Sonic Team, it's just a handful of key and recurring figures mixed in with people who just finished making Sakura Wars." Only recently do they seem to rectify this and there's a dedicated umbrella of Sonic developers now.

[@TrueConsolePeasant]

I need to see Aggro push infinite into a locker

[@verymelonman12]

Colors still has the Chaos Emerald thought. They just aren't part of the main story in that game.

[@Angelic_Materia]

All roads lead home All roads lead to Excel Saga Tonzura koite!

[@robertkovarna8294]

You know, Shadow Generations only makes Shadow in this game even less likely cause of the fact he in that game didn't want to chase dreams when he first thought he saw Maria in Whitespace. So that means he should be shrugging that off in Omens.

[@kotn1293]

Ah, I see Dan is continuing immerse the podcast in impenetrable bits.

[@Iamstickman]

I'm really hoping they're ending Sonic month with a Weeaboomers Episode on the Sonic OVA. As for Sonic Omens, that game is a travesty. the only reason why anyone would give it remotely High Praise is because it's the only 3D Sonic fan game that's completed. In my personal opinion I much preferred Sonic Triple Trouble 16 bit. I know it's a completely different style of Sonic game, but it's a lot more fun and a lot less frustrating than Sonic Omens. I hope more 3D Sonic fan games get completed so that they can be seen as the gold standard for 3D Sonic fan games rather than settling for Sonic Omens.

[@LordLucario12]

EYYYY fellow Triple Trouble 16 bit enjoyer!

[@Iamstickman]

@@LordLucario12 hell yeah. That game is so much fun!!! Even the mobile phone version of that fan game is really good

[@JustazagZ]

The one thing I still don't get is of all things is it's supposed to take place before Colors because... the Emeralds are still in both versions of that game? The Wii Version/Ultimate are missing the Final Boss from the DS but you can still collect them and turn super in the stages. Even Lost World has the Emeralds to get optional super like Colors, not counting Boom Games they weren't ever not in the game at all until Forces with Super Sonic being "Free" DLC. So IDK where they got the whole idea they needed to go "The Emeralds aren't used anymore in games because they were literally destroyed"?

[@anonymouskaiju9101]

I understand why you did this, I wish you did the ova first though

[@ShinyMew888]

Why do I always assume its a joke and then the spoilercast drops for real lol

[@MavrosStJohn]

I’m pulling up a chair and waiting for Dan to say nothing about the the allegations about the creator, and it won’t factor into the score.

[@GigaBoots]

I'm completely blind on this!

[@OPLOmega]

@@GigaBoots Let's be fair, so long after launch it makes sense the only thing that ever got brought up about it was the thing involving Maria's Panties during the stream... even then I too would mentally block that because holy shit why would you do that.

[@suplexthetrain]

We love Mike Z hell of a guy

[@LordLucario12]

Wait there were more allegations?

[@Izak_Klark]

It seems like people just hear allegations and run with them. The Maria thing was outsourced and the devs didn't know until it was brought up to them. Putting them in a position to be framed.

[@SnackCanary]

18:45 Keith David would've been absolutely perfect if they went with the Terios design for Shadow

[@Volt790]

This bit's so large, please send help. I should've seen this Omen on the horizon...

[@professorbadvibes695]

I'm shocked that anyone gave this game higher than a 5

[@Sonicfalcon16]

Wasn't this game made out of spite for people who like sonic games?

[@masterxl97]

The Spider-Man Lotus of fan games.

[@dudejoe24]

Power/ranger

[@peckneck2439]

The Story... I mean, it's a Sonic X fanfiction who even cares? i literally skipped it and i'm glad i did because if i was to experience it in a non meme format from some other review videos i would've been rolling my eyes beyond any imagination. BUT, the story is just one component of this game and i'm actually going to praise Omens' gameplay and level design, which according to the popular opinion actually sucks. I Heavily disagree because when you take a step back and REALLY think about it, Omens' level design is literally the exact thing the community always wanted. Tough, but fair levels that aren't too short or long that feature multiple pathways and reward players for skilled gameplay and outside the box thinking. I've seen some speedrunners play this game and the shortcuts they pull off eclipse those of Adventure games easily, and if you know what you're as you can easily get some serious air time by cleverly using terrain around you. My favorite stage is United Railroad which is filled to the brim of such cool skips. Unfortunately, not all levels are made equal as the Tornado stages, while fully functional, are too boring and long. Boss battles also leave a lot to be desired as they have been rather boring and frustrating at times, but the action stages are unironically goated except for maybe Tree Palace which can be a bit confusing and slow, but luckily short enough for me to give it a pass. Music was pretty good, nothing out of the ordinary but certainly well above average. I loved United Railroad music in particular as it almost gave me that "Doom" vibes from it. Controls and physics were okay, but i'm not going to judge Omens on that too harshly, after all those are Infinity Engine things and while i didn't had any problems with controls and physics, i wish i would've been allowed to remap my keys. The game offers you two presets(Generations and Infinity which is nice) But you can't modify them in any way which sucks as i would love to have jump on left click and boost on right click. Voice Acting is... meh. I mean it's clearly all over the place with some decent highs and low lows, but overall the voice acting was just average. Serviceable. Tails' VA easily did the best job as she was consistent and delivered high performance throughout the whole game. Unlike Sonic and Shadow's VAs which were mixed across the board. Finally, the "Maria" controversy. I'm going to be blunt on this one. I don't condone it, but at the same time, i'm not going to go apeshit over it. If it was such a huge issue, i would leave it to the authorities to look into this further but considering that it's been years since this came to light and nothing happened i don't think it needed such massive reaction at all.

[@SomeBsMovie]

If i'm not mistaken, is this the game where someone found illegal cheese pizza in its files?

[@pikagammerpluspizza7478]

Nope

[@luxerhusku2609]

Man, I am tired of hearing people saying that Forces is a shit game when it's not. Like, did Sonic fans really have very high expectations or something? The game was fully functional and played just as fine as Generations and Colors, so I don't get why everyone is saying that Forces is a really bad game when it plays just as well as those games. The issues I have heard is what exactly you do in the other Boost Formula Sonic games and the Stages in Frontiers, so what makes Forces any different?

[@GigaBoots]

It's limp, thin, incoherent and uninteresting.

[@luxerhusku2609]

@@GigaBoots That really doesn't explain much. But I really think the game is solid because it had good levels. They weren't frustrating at all and while a good amount of them are short, I never found that to be an issue. Even the Avatar and how the Wisps worked was pretty cool as well.

[@sdgaara2]

It’s 2024 why is anyone still talking about this