Chloe's Being Redeemed? Chloe's 'New Design' Explained!

[@CartoonUniverse]

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[@davidspencer8373]

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[@eddog6666]

Well Thomas did say this: The girl with Adrain we have seen her before and yes she is a teenager. So the only way to solve this puzzle is process of elimination. Blonde girls: Aurore Chloe Mylene Rose Zoe We can automatically remove Mylene, Rose and Zoe due to them being holders.aurora is eliminated too because there is a shot of her with her friend in the studio. So that means if it can’t be a new person it has to be none other then CHLOE! And we have seen Chloe eyes become narrow before season 5 episode 23 just at the end she looks at her phone and pause on Sabrina only to glare at her angrily before switching to Marinette. Who basically slammed Chloe’s desperate attempt to bully her right back in Chloe’s face. Losing legs is a traumatic experience which could be bad enough to make someone completely scared of going outside which means a lack of sun and vitamin D which cause both your skin and hair to lose it color. So the amputee is none other then Chloe

[@adilmyrat3210]

God, I wish hate this show😡

[@michaelbontia7371]

I don't like your videos

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

Also I feel Chloe kind of needs to be redeemed for a crucial reason, Thomas essentially gave Gabriel, the literal terrorist, his happy ended and he seemingly was allowed to "redeem" himself despite being again a terrorist. Chloe is an emotionally abused teenager whose own mother treated her like garbage yet he acts like her being a bully is worse than Gabriel. Chloe is one of the most popular characters in the series, people have been begging for her to be redeemed and many also complain about the characters either being flat and boring like most of the extended cast or getting away with equally sketchy stuff like Marinette and her constant stalking. Fact is Thomas needs to get his head out of his ass and start listening to other opinions other than his own if he wants his series to continue....that or we hope Jeremy Zag continues with the Movie Universe and Chloe is allowed to be better there.

[@milanmarkovic2721]

@@thefanwithoutaface8105 Thomas is too proud. Zag will do better.

[@gianpaolovillani6321]

YES, Chloe will have redemption. Jeremy Zag will make her one of the good guys again! Never lose hope for Chloe's return to the good guys.

[@electrobob992]

Honestly they could have done something interesting, like having her be a sort of Anti Hero. Not allied with the heroes or the villains, and just showing them up. Using TECHNOLOGY to combat Magical objects such as the miraculous. Possibly even succeeding in getting their miraculous just to show them up, not learning their identities just doing it to be all "SEE I beat you guys without a miraculous, the world doesn't need you". Having her easily resist akumas immediately, without any training.

[@certified_l0ser]

Exactly

[@michaelbontia7371]

No no one like chloe bourgeois

[@black-shadow-eclipse]

Sadly, I think they will not redeem Chloe in the near future. Thomas Astruc has such a hate on this fictional character. I just think that they want to keep the irredeemable villain role with it being confirmed that we will get Lila's backstory and Felix being now on the heroes side. It's a disappointment because Chloe has a terrible childhood and had good development.

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

Luckily we have fanfiction that is frankly better written than this show that does explore interesting instance where Chloe is allowed to be a better person like Exceptional or From Start to Finish, which explore what would happen if Chloe either got the Bee Miraculous much sooner and Akumatized people were treated differently or where Marinette and Chloe were in a relationship before the start of the series.

[@-Kalamity]

My biggest problem is that she was "redeemed" but all of this was then just gone.

[@Beenisweenis]

I feel like I could live with her being a permanent villain if she was a GOOD villain.

[@chasetauscher9544]

@@BeenisweenisI wish that they leaned more into her being the daughter of a politician

[@unturned6066]

No, he doesn't hate her. But people like that have a long road to redemption.

[@tarisukone6914]

damn why does he hate her so much....dude must have been bullied by a blonde girl growing up an is taking out his frustrations ... jeeze

[@CartoonUniverse]

I personally love her as a character and admire his hatred for her, but I also totally get he may be thinking of a real person lol

[@NobodyUndefined]

​@CartoonUniverse I get that but imo his hatred for her is unhinged. Hes unhealthily obsessed with his hatred for her

[@tarisukone6914]

@@NobodyUndefined exactly. like its fine to have a villan or whatever but like...dude...we are talking about high school kids...an the way he fucks over this girls life over an over...like...what...lol chill man damn

[@milanmarkovic2721]

@@tarisukone6914 Because she is a stand in for his "bully" who, based on Astruk's creepy ass behaviour, might be a girl who saw through his "nice guy" persona.

[@NobodyUndefined]

@@milanmarkovic2721 I wouldn't be surprised if this was true!! He inserted his ex-girlfriend Sabine into the story and made her have a kid with his self insert Tom which I think is so creepy and feels like he's violating her. He's put irl stuff in Miraculous before so I 100% believe Chloe is some irl person who saw through his bs and saw him for who he really is.

[@darknessdestroer1608]

Imagine Gabriel wishing for Chloe to have a true redemption arc on behalf of all ladybug community. Such a chad

[@williamfinch9858]

Gabriel would be a bigger hero than Ladybug if he wished that.

[@sofianeboudj7137]

Lol but someone else must turn evil that's how the wish works Imagine if someone like Rose turn evil after wishing for chloe to turn good 😂

[@darknessdestroer1608]

​@@sofianeboudj7137I would watch Rose bullying Marinett for being a simp any day NGL

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

it is legit possible it is Chloe as we can see she doesn't have any makeup on like Chloe normally does, her hair is similar and she has blue eyes and the fact Chloe is focusing on athletics could be seen as a nod to how she admitted to doing dance for a long period of time. Plus since Chloe never showed any aptitude for school work or Fashion, her turning out to be more of an athlete would be an interesting show.

[@samurexatlas7373]

You know, in theory Chloe can die in a plane crash and still be this new girl. "From a certain point of view" As Anakin died to make way for Vader, if Chloe went through something bad enough she may change her life view, becoming "someone new". And if she was getting used to something new, say, living with prosthetics, she may try to find help in the avenues crumbled.

[@electrobob992]

Possibly even with AMNESIA. Not even remembering her old life, losing her legs, being taken care of by a caring person who didn't have kids.. like.. Ooo Andre the icecream man xD

[@samurexatlas7373]

@@electrobob992 That would truly be the personality of Chloe dying.

[@michaelbontia7371]

I don't like new characters rather than old one 4:29 WHYY

[@MegaDuras]

I once suggested the same thing as you, but then I got a reply where someone was telling me to never speak about it ever again! Like, chill Man. It's a kids show not the holy scripture. ;)

[@mariyalyash4852]

I am a fan of Chloe and there is nothing wrong with liking her

[@awwallawal7095]

If you say so 😒

[@shanellewaite7459]

Me too, Season 2 made me enjoy her character so much more especially because I started watching at season 2 and her arc made me a fan of the show so I kept on watching. Sadly, nothing really came from it though.😥

[@milanmarkovic2721]

@@mariyalyash4852 Tell that to Astruk and he'll block ya on twaxxer.

[@rapidswelsa3306]

It's like being a Mileena fan. Actually, it's exactly like being a Mileena fan- just with less outcries.

[@IramShahid-nd2uo]

She deserves a chance to become good in season 6

[@KeeKage37]

My problem with this show is that it has a weird way of redeeming people. Adrian’s “evil twin,” Felix, and Monarch both get redemptions but the mean girl with a tragic backstory doesn’t. Not to mention the irrational hatred Tomas has for his own fictional character. If he wants Cloe to always be evil, that’s fine. Just make her a better villain character. But now we have Lila or whatever she’s calling herself now, who’s just so much better in every way.

[@hirahiro2331]

Agreed. It shows how much he hates her through the crazy things she does. Honestly, if Kim and Chloe were dating that’d be a cool counter duo to Adrien and Marionette! Both teams like each other but A+M actually like each other while K+C like what they gain from one another.

[@captainamerica9771]

I honestly like Zoe, she is my favorite character in Miraculous Ladybug. I just like how sweet and kind she is, and I hope one day she could help her half-sister Chloe to be a better person with some kindness. A Zoe video would be cool.

[@NightLunaLia]

She is literally the worst character of the show,sorry but someone need to wake you up kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHKVaIeHedeeicksi=WquMbli8QhVRJceD kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWKlqWNnjr90aM0si=g50RqlKHlQUxc2zZ kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpzHdZ2cm8h1iJIsi=sR9eY-BvqQHhJieQ kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpzHdZ2cm8h1iJIsi=P_31jMw55isdVSB9 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hai4gY2vgdaohs0si=UFEqEwzQDXg179Gs

[@starlaixystar]

No. Zoe is a fake person and character. I hate her.

[@IDontLikePhysics]

Zoe is too much sweet....Excess of sugar can cause diabetes... She looks fake... On the other hand chloe looks real and straight forward idc how her behavior is but i just enjoy her character more than Zoe

[@margeryojije7862]

@@IDontLikePhysics I'd say she's one of the best characters if not for the fact that she exists to be a "Chloe replacement" there's not really anything interesting about her except that she's nice...

[@voiceactorchimera3171]

Honestly, Andre's hate towards a fictional preteen girl is weird. We can all have characters we hate but why give her the neglectful backstory then? She could have just been a spoiled rich brat but no. We know both her parents' names, their jobs, and other things about them almost more than BOTH Main character's parents! Not a Chloe fan but would like to see her be redeemed.

[@milanmarkovic2721]

@@voiceactorchimera3171 Because a good number of characters are inserts. Chloe is "his bully", MCs father is his swlf insert and mother is some girl je had a crush on(he is married to different woman with kids btw).

[@Goosedestroy]

I like how no one was even talking about Chloe and Thomas said to himself: "You know what would be really funny? If I pretended that this random character from my trailer was actually Chloe, you know, that character who I was so intent on hating that I literally wrote her OUT OF THE SHOW." This dude needs to stop interacting with prepubescent children on Twitter

[@Neonstar3100]

Forget about Thomas guys, now doesn’t matter whatever he say about Chloe. Zag is the new owner, so there's a lot possibility Chloe's redemption arc is possible She looks a lot like Chloe, bro why don't you look at her face it's giving me adult Chloe vibes

[@milanmarkovic2721]

@@Neonstar3100 I will wait for sequel movie to see her being redeemed(a movie NOT made by Astruk).

[@KeeKage37]

On the one hand it’s not hard to believe that they reused a character design. This show does it all the time. Hell they also used a “stepsister” of Cloe as the new Queen bee. Still though. Tomas saying Cloe will die in a plain crash is pretty harsh.

[@jencar5152]

Thomas nunca dijo eso. Es uno de varios rumores falsos que circulan acerca de él y el asunto de Chloé.

[@Kayllister291]

Absolutely zero hate to you but for future reference a majority of the disabled community really dislike the term "differently abled" for a variety of reasons and just prefer being called disabled. Of course I cant speak for everybody but from what ive seen most people, including myself, dont like the term differently abled. Once again no hate and I know there was no malicious intent but I just wanted to inform you that this is the case.

[@llmccann]

Yep, was going to comment the same thing. I'm disabled too, and "differently abled" makes me want to scream.

[@CartoonUniverse]

oh interesting, I expected the bad reaction form disabled, though I suppose that still might happen to, but I get it, sometimes talking around a word that was already functional just feels icky.

[@llmccann]

@CartoonUniverse Generally the disabled community tends to prefer disabled over any other general terms used (such as differently abled or handicapped, for example). I can't speak for others when it comes to logic, but for me it comes down to saying it like it is. I am disabled, because there are things I am not able to do. Differently abled in particular just sounds patronizing to me.

[@shinyagami03]

Chloe didn't need redemption she need to be a smarter villain...i hate seeing her being played around...a stepping stone

[@MatsuyoRific]

You're not alone. I've actually made a few videos on Chloe, and how her characterization is actually really well done and realistic

[@samuraiforever9120]

I don't think that's Chloe as I notice she has prosthetic legs, also what's weird is that she looks like movie Chloe as her face and hair was redesigned for the movie as that also had high quality models and assets where we got new and unique assets.

[@VIBEKORE]

Old animation is more good 😢 New one is more childish!!

[@zakirstocks9514]

I SERIOUSLY doubt Chloe will EVER be Redeemed in Season 6 of *Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug and Cat Noir*

[@gianpaolovillani6321]

Instead YES

[@shanellewaite7459]

Her design scares me. It is so unsettling so I hope that isn't Chloe because I might cry if it is. And I want them to leave my poor Chloe alone like they already ruin her character, personality, her importance in the show and now her design. Thomas, I a begging you if your not going to give her character justice, please let her fade peacefully. STOP RUINING ONE OF MY FAV CHARACTERS!

[@gianpaolovillani6321]

Instead Chloe will have redemption. Jeremy Zag will make her one of the good guys again! Never lose hope for Chloe's return to the good guys.

[@IramShahid-nd2uo]

That's right❤

[@gianpaolovillani6321]

​@@IramShahid-nd2uoThanks for your hope for Chloe's return to the good guys.

[@kirumitojo1853]

I did need Chloe to be redeemed I just wanted her charachter arc not to be garbege

[@gianpaolovillani6321]

Never lose hope for Chloe's return to the good guys.

[@kirumitojo1853]

@@gianpaolovillani6321 I writen this late at night and missed spelled didn't

[@kirumitojo1853]

@margeryojije7862 after season 4

[@margeryojije7862]

@@kirumitojo1853 still doesn't answer it. lol she was a fun character then.

[@kirumitojo1853]

@@margeryojije7862 idk if i wull stated well but she felt less fun to eatch yeah she was barty kid who's plans are odten dump but man they turn her in to brain dead person, like the whol show kinda was (to me) bad in season 5

[@GabeKis-fz8tn]

Honestly I wish this would be Chloe. Tomas did joked about her "dying in the plane crush" But if she did had an accident that took her legs off that could be her karma and realization point. That she was bad, and she was raised to be this way. But in the end it was her choice. And that now she's got new chanse in life, even tho she has difficulities. Also it was confirmed that Lila will go to New York to get Chloe the "Spoiled Brat" to get help from her. But to be fair, It would be so satisfying to finally make Chloe smart and tell Lila to get lost, cuz she's done with begin a mess and her tool. She lost everything after she started geting along with her, and that she's a better person now.

[@JoshuaJBellShow]

So Chloe's faint has pretty much already been decided personally, I kind of think Chloe needs a Redemption Arc

[@purple_shadow15]

In my opinion I feel like season 6 is going to be the downfall of miraculous I don't like the new design of most of the characters I prefer the 3D animation

[@NightLunaLia]

How this terrible show is not already cancelled is impossible to understand to me,the main character alone is so so immoral...

[@AJTR7485]

It ain't

[@AJTR7485]

​@@NightLunaLia stupid

[@purple_shadow15]

@@AJTR7485 I understand it won't be the downfall but I just prefer the 3D animation

[@NightLunaLia]

@@AJTR7485 oooh a little bully that dont accept FACTS ❤️ because his heroine is so immoral and p a t h e t i c

[@pristina4628]

Can this show stop showing Chloe copycats and just finally give real Chloe redemption? I guess... Mission impossible...

[@AJTR7485]

No

[@gianpaolovillani6321]

Instead YES

[@mewmewpowergirl1625]

Kira:Thomas Astruc for your crime of embarrassing a young girl I wrote your name

[@EdwardSanchezProductions]

I like the new design

[@TheAllSeeingEye2468]

They really screwed Chloe over

[@somewackoonyoutube2449]

That still looks more like Zoe than Chloe to me to be honest

[@XaranAlamas]

Hey, I don't want Chloe to be redeemed. You are not alone, Cartoon Universe!

[@XaranAlamas]

Zoe is my fave, so I for one would love to see that video

[@IramShahid-nd2uo]

We want to chloe become good and also become queen bee hero

[@starlaixystar]

We want. Unfortunately there is other side of Miraculous people which hates Chloe and they have big influence on the show.

[@IramShahid-nd2uo]

She will get Redemption Chloe can become good in season 6

[@Angel_Fizz]

In my opinion, i think the new character is Adrians mom, she platnum hair and the prostetics really remind me of his mom, and also at the end of season 5 gabriel sacrificed himself to bring adrians mom back

[@Rebaharrison305]

He actually went to join her and save Natalie

[@jencar5152]

Los comentarios repitiendo el mismo cuento de siempre de que Thomas Astruc """odia""" a Chloé y que ella debió ser """redimida""". Simplemente ya es hora de entender que no todos los villanos están hechos para una redención y no es que el autor los odie. Que a ustedes les guste un villano no significa que vaya a redimirse...

[@jencar5152]

Ah, y Thomas jamás dijo que Chloé "murió en un accidente de avión". Ese es un rumor inventado.

[@happyblackwoman6154]

Thomas Astruc is completely immature. Chloe is obviously based off someone from his past.

[@hirahiro2331]

Yeah he said a girl who bullied him if I remember.

[@happyblackwoman6154]

@hirahiro2331 he did? On Twitter he said this wasn't true.

[@hirahiro2331]

@@happyblackwoman6154 oh my gosh… not you, but Thomas 😞. Ah well, I think there’s truth to it if not the entire truth.

[@happyblackwoman6154]

@hirahiro2331 I just looked into it. Evidently, people are saying he admitted it in an old interview before miraculous became super popular. But he denied this recently on Twitter. If he admitted to this in an old interview, it means he still hasn't healed from what his bully did to him, and is taking it out on Chloe. If this is true, he needs therapy.

[@hirahiro2331]

@@happyblackwoman6154 yeah. I wonder why he denied it.

[@CAmintronics101]

Unfortunately I highly doubt (given what Thomas has said about Chloe) Chloe was said by Thomas that she would NEVER ever change, as she’s mean to be a very bad person now I don’t remember which tweet he said this from. But it’s just unfortunate that Thomas hates Chloe so much that he doesn’t find redeeming qualities. I mean there was hints she was gonna get better. But Thomas just simply does not like her. (This is just based off the tones he’s ever talked about Chloe)

[@gianpaolovillani6321]

Instead YES

[@nataliebateman1151]

I want her to get redeemed. If Felix can get redeemed then why not Chloe?

[@staydetermined6717]

Butterfly effect due to the wish, also does that mean Audrey is-

[@cocoaskinn1897]

I thought that theory that Chloe died in plane crash was proven false because it was a fan edit. Her voice actor says that she will be coming back in Season 6 and how she also wants for her to get a redemption arc but says jt wont happen. Nothing has happened that would make Chloe want to change just yet.

[@Mystic_Shadow-lv1bt]

This new character could also be an entirely different character that just has the name Chloe

[@sharonsartstudioaZ9084]

If it really a new character Design for Chloe meaning That she will not only lose her legs in the plane crash she will might dye her hair platinum blonde

[@mr.herobrine2046]

The show is dead so what they doing is just making the grave more flashy to grab people attention (and there money)

[@starlaixystar]

If this is Chloe then I officialy want Lila to destroy Paris.

[@certified_l0ser]

She’s nicer then Marionette

[@shinyagami03]

2:51 choking thomas rn*...jk😂

[@No1WasHere7]

I swaer if they break them up after we waited for them to get together for so long... I don't know what, but it's not going to be positive.

[@isabelfernandes778]

💜💜💜

[@suslvxz]

Bro I hate the new art style definitely going to take time getting used to it but as long as they're getting the same exact lore then I'm definitely watching it

[@suslvxz]

Bro that's crazy my comment literally got noticed by cartoon Universe himself

[@CartoonUniverse]

haha we read most of the comments

[@pokemonmusiclover5]

1:00 WHAT!? No alya looks so cute what are you talking about! I think the lil bob haircut she got looks cool!!!

[@samuraiforever9120]

As for Zhoe, I like the character and wondered if the show was going to have be the new blonde. Unfortunately most Western countries are developing a hide you gays. As seen with Moon Girls banned episode and Riley getting allegedly tone down.

[@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982]

I hate to say this, but almost every time Chloe tries to redeem herself, she butchers it because of poor writing and her character development is gone and just wants to be Queen Bee for selfish reasons.😓

[@camperdontcamp6998]

she looks a lot like zoé

[@TheGreenThunder1607]

The new girl got prosthetic legs. What do you think? They'll make Chloe lose her legs? Come on

[@hirahiro2331]

I wouldn’t be surprised considering that Astruc hates Chloe even if he doesn’t have full hands anymore.

[@b4u4ever26]

maybe she’s a relevant to A from his moms side

[@lunamelody2025]

My theory with Zoe Lee is Audrey was originally in a different relationship BEFORE she met Andre. I think she married Andre for his money and wealth, and to extend the Bourgious family name by having a mayor in the repertoire.

[@hirahiro2331]

I wish. Then that’d make Zoe older but weirdly enough, Chloe and Zoe are the same age.

[@lunamelody2025]

@@hirahiro2331 Who said Audrey needed years to flip flop relationships when the show has shown it can just take days - a couple months for someone to flip flop. Audrey probably left Zoe to her father and then a couple months later had Chloe. It fits the timeline.

[@hirahiro2331]

@@lunamelody2025 …wait- you mean the 9 month process or… because it usually takes 9 months for a baby to be born. I guess they could be the same age that way, being 9 months apart but…

[@lunamelody2025]

@@hirahiro2331 It's not impossible. Plus, Audrey is a very healthy person so it might not be as difficult for her compared to others. But timeline wise it's plausible for Chloe and Zoe to be born 9 - 11 months apart.

[@hirahiro2331]

@@lunamelody2025 I suppose…I guess logic should be thrown out the window lol

[@Rubychan22-h]

İ think it's Miraculous X Hero inside because in the trailer the characters are the same as Hero İnside (please respond)

[@donutplays123]

To be honest, Zoe is way too overhated! I really like her. 🎉

[@milanmarkovic2721]

I'm sorry, but are we talking about the Astruk's show? No way, he has such a hate boner for her, he'd rather force his pear-headed mary sue than actually learn how to write.

[@hoppie4263]

I don’t think it’s actually Chloe

[@mattzillaification]

It’s not Chloe but Thomas has already confirmed Chloe will be returning and Selah has announced that she’s been in the recording booth. As to how she will return is anyone’s guess by I think it is guaranteed that she will have to change in some capacity now that she has lost everything.

[@gianpaolovillani6321]

Instead YES

[@tajemniczanazwa5280]

Calling it X is so wild

[@Kinger_of_the_circus]

What is this show about? Should I watch it?

[@NightLunaLia]

No! Dont watch it,is just terrible in every possible way,is the worst kids show ever created,the main character is a stalker mary sue that is costantly defended with her bad actions,the episodes are all the same,the creator a bully against kids and other people that try to tell him the show is bad written. He is not normal minded he actually created lady bug as an ipotetic fantasy daughter with his ex girlfriend that left him cause he was crazy,and other stuff...Don't watch it...

[@CartoonUniverse]

It depends what you like. Me personally, I love it and its my new fixation 100%. It's five seasons of 26 episodes each, and the show is really good at exploiting its own logic and dynamics to explore increasingly crazy stuff in this endless loop the characters feel trapped in. if you like sailor moon, this takes the elements of that and clashes them against each other in genius ways, but season 1 can feel a bit slow imo.

[@ryanbolt1841]

the first 2 seasons are good season 3 is good until the end but 4&5 not so much.

[@shanellewaite7459]

I am just going to tell you that it is hard to leave the fandom because everytime it get good I come back, only for it disappoint me again so I leave and the cycle repeats. I have a love hate relationship with this show. Sometimes it is amazing and I would recommend then sometimes it is terrible in it plot, characters, I wouldn't wish it on my worsts enemy. So watch at your own risk but you might sometimes feel like your time have been wasted by how the plot shifts, I can promise you that.

[@CartoonUniverse]

4 and 5 are the best seasons imo

[@masonlowder3353]

Really. People actually think that's chloe? I understand things design change, but there's no way that's chloe.

[@johanstenfelt1206]

You liked Chloe being a straight up Villain? Huh, funny, first time I’ve encountered someone like you, Care to enlighten me then, what do you like about Chloe just being a Villain?

[@CartoonUniverse]

For the most part, she's fun, she's the perfect mean girl super villain. but outside of it being entertaining, I agree with Astruc on the importance of having irredeemable characters in kids shows. Whether they have a sad origin story or not, some people just can't be helped and will destroy you if you try, and its important to teach kids in particular that this can happen and that they aren't crazy when someone starts to gaslight them, and that they don't have to go back to trusting that person.

[@johanstenfelt1206]

@@CartoonUniverse fair point, yeah, I can understand that angle too. However, what most people tend to argue that point with is, did it have to be Chloe specifically to be that kind of example? Especially when considering all of the other Villains that were around at the time? Gabriel had been terrorizing Paris for who knows how long, who truly were a full on Supervillain in truest sense and yet, by the Season 5 Finale, we’re supposed to believe that he is redeemable, while a mere basic School Bully isn’t? That a mere Teenaged Girl, a mere Spoiled Child, is more irredeemable than an Adult Man who pretty much was the First Main Villain of the Show. Yeah, i think that kind of clashes with whatever message they were trying to sell, ‘Cause really, what is kids supposed to learn, when putting the entire Show into perspective? Overall, while I can’t speak for everyone, i think the idea was sound, However, i think the presentation, the execution, the handling, the direction, the impression and the way they went about it overall was done very poorly, Although, i think the Channel: Smarty Pants could probably do a better job explaining this point of view.

[@CartoonUniverse]

What he's trying to teach is that there are people in your own social age groups that don't want to be redeemed and just want to sabotage you. Gabriel does not accomplish that.

[@johanstenfelt1206]

@@CartoonUniverse fair point, but Lila could have been used just as well for that, maybe not in the exact same way of course, but could’ve delivered a similar message. Regardless, i still think it could’ve been done better than it did, considering the backlash, it feels pretty apparent that they failed with the delivery.

[@margeryojije7862]

@@CartoonUniverse If I'm not mistaken he said social reproduction has to do with the fact that she refused to change.

[@theworldaccordingtokat678]

That’s not Chloe😢

[@plushmakerfan8444]

That looks nothing like Chloe

[@viki-edits]

first

[@Fusionplayz764]

THEY MADE ADRIAN UGLY 😭😭😭

[@SodaliteTheWolf67]

Fr

[@SarahLivLuv]

That’s not Chloe. It’s a new character.

[@ArcaneMelody107]

Seeing she’s an amputee, I really don’t think that’s Chloe…unless a serious accident happened to her

[@KeeKage37]

I mean, knowing how the creator hates her. That’s not hard to believe.

[@ArcaneMelody107]

@@KeeKage37 You are not wrong at all lol. Honestly Astruc is just a bad writer in general with how he views the progression of his characters

[@P.X.R.P.L.E]

I mean she was on the plane in s5 🧐

[@NightLunaLia]

Astruc hate too much the fact that she was more loved and a far better character and heroine than his beloved mary sue stalker protagonist. He will never redeem Chloe,she was too good for this show.

[@AJTR7485]

Stupid

[@AJTR7485]

She's not a Mary sue stupid

[@CartoonUniverse]

haha, wow, ladybug fans are unhinged, but I like it.

[@shanellewaite7459]

So true. Chloe is the best/funny character.

[@milanmarkovic2721]

@@CartoonUniverse "Unhinged"? More like done with Astruk's bs. Watch the Ladybug movie made by Zac and not Astruk and you'll see why it is more loved than anything Astruk made.

[@101kunoichi]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpinl6GsYt6ro68si=vtx5YfxCHLiwDAhj&t=128 when i look at you while listening to your video about chloe and s6 new chara, I can hear you still explaining except you're in thin air

[@awwallawal7095]

I cannot believe this made a video talking about Chloe's redemption when it's never going to happen because the creator of the show hates her

[@CartoonUniverse]

thats what we explain

[@gianpaolovillani6321]

Instead YES

[@margeryojije7862]

He wrote her in a way we don't like...doesn't mean he hates her lol. 🤦‍♀

[@-Kalamity]

2:10 where are you? Dont you have a Cut Noir design?

[@markglasses]

Thats not chloe

[@gianpaolovillani6321]

Instead YES

[@BlancheAndrade-n4l]

No I actually like Zoe

[@Sparkleortizjohnsom]

I don't think she going to be redeemed I think in the season 6 trailer I think that's just a new character that has a similar hair and eye color 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@gabrielbarbosaquintaniliha3154]

So when the creator talked about it, even though I think it's a lie, I doubt it's her and that she can come back because for me, I'm tired of her. For me, leave her in London, quiet and suffering, man, that's enough. And if she comes back different, then who knows, maybe I'll be surprised.

[@animezilla4486]

I think it will be in Thomas's best interest to bring Chloe back to be honest with you the way how the last season ended was incredibly stupid Thomas had his bad attitude that Chloe doesn't deserve to be redeemed but hawkmoth get one I call bull crap on that

[@gabrielbarbosaquintaniliha3154]

@@animezilla4486 I really like her in the second season, wanting to be a heroine who could even awaken a good side, even if she doesn't change many aspects of her personality, more because of Hawkmoth's Plan and Ladybug's decision with the Bee Miraculous and that's really bad.

[@AJTR7485]

​@@animezilla4486girlie Gabriel wasn't redeemed

[@animezilla4486]

@@AJTR7485 you mean Lila ? That's because they're setting her up out to be the new villain of season 6 which I think that's the smartest thing Thomas has ever done do be honest with you one of my biggest criticism of this franchise is that Gabriel was not a good villain he loses more times than I can count

[@AJTR7485]

@@animezilla4486 girlie I'm talking about Gabriel are you dumb?

[@reverseflash7095]

She had her chance and blew it

[@sammcfarlane2494]

Her design looks sick

[@ms.bridgeen]

it took them 6 seasons to make the animation look decent. Now all they have to do is fix the writing

[@leonblack9830]

Personally I feel Chloe not being Redeemed is far better for the story. She was already given the chance to be redeemed, she was already given the chance to do the right thing and what did she do? Go on a power trip of epic proportions and overthrowing the government. I feel like that was the shows way of saying some people just can't be redeemed no matter how hard you try. And I much prefer Zoe less annoying.

[@reverseflash7095]

Nope

[@gianpaolovillani6321]

Instead YES

[@reverseflash7095]

@gianpaolovillani6321 i agree to disagree

[@AndreiBogdanIonescu]

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