Choosing the Best Firearm for Home Defense

[@S2StrategicDefense]

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[@CowboysFanCP6]

Thank you, Nik! This is very informative! Had a great time training with you!

[@asintonic]

i agree one hundred percent. Thank you.

[@S2StrategicDefense]

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[@shockerjm6]

All well reasoned points toward the handgun as the better home defense tool. I am of the opinion that the 12 gauge's shortcomings can be reduced with training. The shotgun has a better site plane and payload. I've mashed the trigger at a handgun match and pulled a shot completely off target at 20 yards. I have never completely missed a silhouette target with a shotgun at that distance. Training is the key. I think, with the same amount of training, the shotgun is easier to master than a handgun. The handgun may be the better option, but it takes more training and practice to stay competent.

[@S2StrategicDefense]

That's interesting. First, I 1000% agree that training is the key. But I've never heard anyone to date say a shotgun was more intuitive than a handgun...so you got a unique perspective. May I point out a couple things: 1. Training will not reduce the percussive characteristics 2. Training will not improve the blocked visual plane 3. Training will not reduce recoil, but will teach management 4. Training will not make the ammo slower or less chance of overpenetrating walls 5. Training will not make the gun cycle faster 6. Training will not increase the ammo capacity I point these things out in specific because those are simply immutable characteristics of the firearm and not influenced by user. So would that make your personal experience more anecdotal or more broadly applicable?

[@shockerjm6]

Hmmm..... 1. Percussion will be worse, but an AR is as bad and 9mm still sucks inside. I haven't shot without ear pro inside, so I will defer to your experience. 2. Are you talking weapon mounted lighting? There's no optic to get sucked into on a bead front site. My arms are still out in front of me with a pistol. 3. A good push pull technique does manage recoil better. 4. I'm not convinced there is any difference in over-penetration risk between these three. A good load of buck shot will still be a pattern under ten inches inside of about 10 yards. Patterning your shotgun and specific load is essential. 5. Training can surely increase the pump action speed and an auto still can be trained for better recovery. See my next point. I don't have to shoot as fast when my shells have multi hit capability. 6. Ammo capacity is less of a priority when each shell holds nine .33 caliber balls. 8x9=72 Sure, you can shoot a guy two or three times with the 9mm pretty quickly. My one 00 buck gets 9 on target with each trigger squeeze. If the fight lasts so long that I'm out of shells, then I agree, a shotgun suffers from low capacity. Training in loading techniques comes in handy then. I don't say any of this to be disrespectful or contrary. I just think, for a home invasion sinareo, the shotguns drawbacks can be reduced by training and equipment selection.

[@S2StrategicDefense]

@@shockerjm6 no disrespect taken. Just a discussion. To answer a couple things you mentioned: 1. Percussive is MUCH worse with a shotgun. 2. Visual field is blocked not due to an optical or light... but simply because of the physical aspect of the firearm itself PLUS the fact that it is shoulder/cheek mounted whereas a pistol is not. Yes your arms are extended with a handgun but can be easily compressed to the chest and still be muzzle forward and mind you that it's not cheeked. 3. You might wanna grab some 2x4 and drywall and build small walls to take to the range next time. You'll clearly see the issue with overpenetration and the 9 pellets going in random places. Places that you can't control but your are responsible for as I mentioned innthe vid. 4. Yes you can definitely train the speed of a pump or even reloading.. never going to be faster than a pistol or carbine cycling though. I'd really recommend doing some Force on Force training if you haven't. Might change your mind. Our discussion has been driven my the characteristics of the gun vs training/ability.. but we haven't even gotten into the main points of the environment itself.