Chri$topher Ward Is Dead! Long Live Chri$$$topher Ward!

[@_all_around_us]

Never got the appeal of the skeletonized look in general. A clean, simpler design is so so much more satisfying to look at.

[@RJ-cq8dd]

So so much more boring as well.

[@tivobelievo]

Yeah, but when you've already got over a hundred "clean, simple" watches, you need some spice. Plus, this thing is just a marvel. I'd prefer it in steel though.

[@GeniusInventor-dj5zc]

It’s nice to have a skeletonized watch when every other watch you have is a normal design

[@Megatraum504]

exactly. i have same movement in my CW watch with a proper dial. costed less than half......

[@iamamucha2914]

I think it really depends on what watch you're talking about and what part of collecting you're at as well. If it's a higher end watch seeing the movement is a wonder to all. However higher end watches will have beautiful finishing and really show just how good they are at what they do. You can't hide imperfections behind a canvas since most of the watch will be on display. I personally don't like skeleton watches as much because they usually show what's past the exhibition case back i.e. my hairy arms that make the watch look bad lol. As a piece of art though I do think skeletons will always look fascinating and a step above a typical normal dial watch unless that dial is absolutely gorgeous with patters or materials.

[@polmacliam2444]

The logo on the rotor reminds me of the name labels my mum sewed into my sports kit when I was at school!

[@MrShoryuken1]

Yes, it's much too loud. They'd be better off making it smaller and just engraved into the rotor with no paint.

[@NicholasSadlier]

CW CEO Mike France said on Monday that the micro-adjust would filter down to the regular Twelves. I think you're right re brand positioning, a bit like upmarket car manufacturers pushing the boat out on the F1 race track - it's more about brand-building than selling big numbers of these particular watches.

[@BenGoodbrand]

Great news! Planned to add a SS Twelve to the collection so I'll wait until then

[@IOSALive]

Just One More Watch, Subscribed because your videos are so much fun!

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

Thanks you very much and welcome!

[@kendallgtull1592]

It's a really nice piece and the quality when you hold it in hand is obvious. I had the opportunity to handle it at Intersect Atlanta last month. Price is spicy and it makes me realise how much of a bargain the Zelos Mirage was when it launched. That was around US$4K for the titanium version on bracelet and included a fitted rubber strap. It also featured a hardness coating on the case and bracelet and has the LJP 8 day power reserve movement customised for Zelos. The Twelve is a great watch but I think I'd go with the standard versions.

[@artswri]

Nice skeleton. Out of my price range unfortunately...

[@gerardcampbell3981]

Have to admit I spent the first couple of minutes deciphering your T-shirt, Jody! This watch isn't my jam but each to their own, right?

[@AnonXio]

Literally 15 seconds for the T shirt, but its a niche skill - I am sure you are far more successful in general life and have a better watch collection than me my friend. My own collection fav is a Vostok Amphibia 42mm on a NATO,(I dont have a 7inch wrist) I also have mutliple GShocks my fav being a green GD 400. As you say each to their own. CW for thousands, not so much. Peace to all, whatever your watch brand preference (I hear Erebus are up and coming - I'm waiting for their field watch )😀

[@briteppr62]

@@AnonXio15 seconds to decipher it is about right.

[@robertbeirne9813]

Took me a minute or two, then I realized a 7 is a T.

[@damianosavraammisaelidis9727]

Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change.

[@stephens2r338]

@@damianosavraammisaelidis9727 Quote by Stephen Hawkins

[@Msgt_Slim]

Not my bag of crisps, Mate. And a bloody expensive bag at that.

[@GavinKohAquascaping]

On a different note, I like your new black, textured background over the world map. Very professional, which, of course, you are!

[@redflag4781]

It's a bloody, expensive full stop. We are in the real world, no?

[@rstm13]

Jody keeps demonstrating the gold standard for a watch channel. Such an honest review, especially the backend of the video was very fair and balanced.

[@emeenattoor]

Very fair review! I think instead of comparing this with the zenith like many others compare this to. I'd compare this with the Zelos Mirage 2. Honestly they are both well reputed microbrands. The design on the Zelos wins for me: it is more in sync with brand design language The skeletonization is more legible Longer power reserve with 8 days The titanium case has a hardness coating which makes it as durable as SS if not better The Swiss movement by LJP is equally well finished. Lume is Superior.8 Having said all this, I'm glad Christopher Ward is experimenting so much with new stuff. I just hope they don't price themselves out of what I think they should remain; a good value microbrand offering high end products at a relatively good value

[@nicksims2827]

I really enjoyed this video - both the review and the ‘Jody Thinks’ at the end 🙂 FWIW, I totally agree - even to the point that I think this is the equivalent of a concept car rather than a watch they intend to sell in any volume. This is all about CW repositioning. I bought a C60 Sapphire 3 years ago (great watch btw, I love it) on a bracelet for £795. That was a standard CW price at the time. Now, a C60, C65 or C63 is much closer to £1000. They’re definitely after Longines etc and, when you look at their branding plus engineering, I suspect their long term goal is to move up towards a kind of Tudor £3000 level - though they’re clearly not there yet. I definitely think that CW can’t really be described as a microbrand now, there’s nothing micro about them

[@Steve-xv9ir]

This is the first honest review I've seen of this watch where the reviewer has actually dared give a negative opinion on something! Every other review I have seen has been more of a spec. check and letting us all know how good CW are! Well done to Jody for saying it how it is.

[@jeff1176]

It's definitely a nice piece. However, the huge detractors for me are the price, the integrated bracelet, the strange angle of the mid case lugs, and lastly the butterfly clasp. They always pop open on me, whether I wear them tight or loose on the wrist, they always pop open. So for me, it's a no-go.

[@HydrogenAlpha]

I have a Twelve titanium and the clasp would never pop open on it in a million years. The CW ones are well made.

[@fahadkhan-db6bh]

Such a clasp adjustment is also available on the Czapek Antarctique 😉

[@WatchesBeAwesome]

Love your content! Thank you!

[@Scott_Graham]

Great shirt.

[@pzwolski]

I do not want to adapt. I can, but I do not want. 😁

[@alextryan]

Best review of this piece. The Zenith fails because it makes the skeletonized bridges the positive space but the arbitrary shape of those pieces is boring -- who cares what random shapes they thought up? -- whereas the CW succeeds in letting the anthracite bridges be the negative space so that the mechanism itself becomes the visual feature. The Oris.... is just a hideous disaster of nonsensical geometry I guess made to tickle weak minds? I've had my eye out for a skeleton that succeeds for YEARS and this is the first I've encountered. I do hope I can get used to actually telling time with it. I have done a lot of amateur watch repair and a piece that communicates my fondness for minimalism AND my affection for all those little whirlygig parts is exactly what I've been awaiting.

[@andrewbourn1513]

Dr. Ian Malcolm would have words with CW on this one. "Your engineers were so concerned about whether they could..."

[@WaltervonKurzgesagt]

struggling to differentiate between the front and the back of the watch

[@Robespierres_Ghost]

Very cool watch but no I'm not paying $5k for one. A grey market Oris pro pilot skeleton is around the same price.

[@CraigG21]

Hallelujah to the butterfly clasp adjustment!! 🙌 Zodiac also has something very similar on their jubilee style bracelets.

[@flemmingsorensen5470]

I couldnt care less, if a macro lens spies "rough edges" or not - only what I can see with my naked eye matters. The price, well if you want a watch (or any other product) bad enough and have the available funds, then its not too expensive. CW knows how to do business, and they probably also know that creating a halo model, is about marketing more that direct model related profits (ROI). Btw: that clasp is bloody brilliant👍 PS: how is the after sales service on a grey market Zenith....🤨

[@robedmunds7163]

Lovely, but what's the time? The main function, should still be well, functional

[@whichwatch5651]

Jody, your shirt game is improving consistently these days.

[@markwheeler4417]

Someone on the CW forum managed to do a guestimate calculation on the number of C12X that were in the initial ordering frenzy. Their estimate was 600. That's quite a lot of SH21 movements as it has mainly been used in LEs. The machine polishing must have helped them as the C60 Concept which was the previous skeleton from CW was an LE of 300.

[@michaelrobinson4421]

Jodi, I love the T-shirt, where'd you get it?

[@joshprice333]

Hey Jody, may want to check the Aussie dollar conversion. Reckon you’re about $1,400 short.

[@alfieakaronaldog]

I discovered the C60 Concept because of this release and much preferred that. The movement and lume looked better. Love CW got the micro adjustment on a butterfly, even though I prefer 3 fold! Puts Grand Seiko to shame lol.

[@forrest225]

It looks ok for a skeletonized watch I guess, but I'd prefer the awesome power reserve with a normal dial.

[@stephenspain9167]

interesting but I think if they go this route that need to make the mechanism more artist

[@untoweechja2238]

As you point out, a big disadvantage of a skeleton is the inherent difficulty of reading the time at a glance, hence their general lack of appeal for me. That being said, if I were to buy a skeleton, this would be a solid contender.

[@markikn3183]

Spot on, Jody. Happy to see CW do this watch, my personal taste on skellingtons is neither here nor there (fwiw no thanks). But the way they are moving up the price ladder and starting to play in the Longines/Tudor/Oris pool is the main takeaway.

[@slash.9882]

that expandable bracelet is very nice

[@DrNitin14]

For the money I could quite happily put this up vs the zenith. It's movement is better is clasp is better it also wears smaller and more compact and it has quick release on the bracelet and rubber. For me this is a halo model for Christopher Ward and I'm glad it's not a limited edition.

[@azri79]

It's a beautiful watch with cosc movement. But maybe at same price bracket I'd go for zenith skeleton instead

[@Ae073001]

If this had Omega or any other brand with equity, there would be no concern. Because it is a CW it's a concern. Look at the watch for what it offers in comparison to the market, and one without bias will see this is a very good watch. Congrats CW, very interested to see what you do in the future.

[@ramblin1209]

This is Christopher Ward showing us what they can do and what's to come. I could be wrong but it definitely feels that way.

[@ImTheDudeMan471]

At a glance, I can clearly see it's "over there hour, some minutes o'clock". After a 1 minute glance, it's definitely 9 or 10 o'clock, kinda just past the hour maybe. Great watch....

[@mstevens113]

I have a Ward bought 4 year ago but the prices have now crept into the range i won't justify over other priorities.

[@joebasford3319]

How much!! 😮 Hopefully no QC issues when you receive it. Good luck with getting in touch with Customer Services.

[@rodsalvador3608]

Love and own the Oris ProPilot X 115. The CW beats it on size, bezel finishing and that nifty on the fly adjustment! I'm not hating this; good job CW. My money would still go to the Bel Canto, though.

[@danielleclare2938]

I can think of a lot of timepieces I would want more than that for the price. Jomashop will have them in stock for $1899 if you can wait a year.

[@ChrisDeLosSantos]

The VC Overseas also has the micro adjustment system on their butterfly bracelets

[@terrysky83]

Brilliant roasting by Jordi 👍 bravo 🎉

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

I would not have said that was a roasting! Just an honest assessment of a $5000 CW.

[@TheFrankm3]

This watch doesn’t need roasting. Just a photo and the price will suffice.

[@IOSALive]

Just One More Watch, Your videos always make me happy, so I subscribed!

[@Jpjc474]

I absolutely love this. Great review as well.

[@2manysigns]

I think it would be as difficult to choose between those three as choosing between the Erebus Ascent dials !

[@Robert-vw3od]

Ideally, the Christopher Ward buyer might be willing to pay somewhere around 2.5k if they can do their own movement in a watch for that then they are onto a winner. Oris come to mind, they’ve had limited success with this idea but they are probably the best when it comes to going down this road.

[@moneymikz]

An adjustable B Fly is huge indeed

[@alfieakaronaldog]

It is very good but I prefer a three fold anyway. Puts Grand Seiko to shame if Christopher Ward can put micro adjustment on a flush concealed butterfly and they cannot (will not?) put it on a flush three fold!

[@Barbecuejag]

Zodiac has something similar on their butterfly clasps - more flex as opposed to an actual extension, but the give certainly helps with the comfort. That said, i absolutely HATE the skeletonized design of this one. Certainly no interest from me at this asking price.

[@GetOffMyLawnSKX]

They made this to show they could. And yet again everyone will be talking about CW. It’s not for me, but I think it’s a brilliant move in their part. These guys are for real, and they are swinging for the fences. Bravo CW 👏🏼

[@markplayford5836]

Not really much to add to your fire side chat there Jody as I think you made some very valid points. I would much prefer the standard Ti 12 IF you can call that standard! Like you said this is niche Ward and for some it’s just what they want, plus there is no doubt this is a bit of a technological marvel. Well done CW 👏👏👏

[@bobmclennan1727]

It's out of my price range, and skeleton dials aren't my style, but holy cow look at that micro-adjust on the bracelet. Outstanding innovation. I hope it trickles down to their other models.

[@ryndanriley5348]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I am a watch enthusiast who can afford this watch and loves Christopher Ward and everything about the look of this, and there is still no way I would spend anywhere near that much on it.

[@andreaiacolina]

This is not for me, in terms of design and it's for sure expensive for a CW, but on the other hand this could probably be considered a competitor of the Oris Pro Pilot X skeleton with the caliber 115 that is currently priced at 8k, so from this point of view it's not so bad.

[@joeblackwolf17]

That’s a beautiful looking piece.

[@runningawayvagabond5876]

Now THAT is how you engineer/design a butterfly bracelet! Well done CW. It shows they were thinking, actually thinking about how to get around the biggest con of this type of bracelet.

[@adamnagy7599]

Well… It’s not the Bel Canto… What I do like is the shirt!

[@Simon-vt1zp]

@just one more watch. Hey Jody, I haven’t watched you for years. Congratulations on how your channel has grown. I used to leave you comments questioning your masculinity etc, to which you would often give a witty response. I would be lucky if you would even see my comment these days. Good for you man 👍

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

Ha! Thanks Simon. Still making vids, still loving life, still very much a man 😉 all the best!

[@tikkathreebarrels]

This stunner is not in everyone's price range and Jody looking north of £4k doesn't help those guys who say this costs too much (which it doesn't). You like skelly-bobs or you don't. You can live with the price or you can't. Most of CW's range are £1k or thereabouts. The old saying "You can't buy a $50 cigar for $15" applies here. Let's not forget this is the 20th Anniversay offering from the brand.

[@Tangylives]

Finally a less ridiculous size box. Probably won't be buying this particular CW though, nice as it is.

[@Mohika881]

Very insightful presentation. I agree that CW will try to move up the ladder in pricing and quality. It’s a logical thing to do and they do seem to strive to take the company forward.

[@thompsonterry4804]

This new Skele-Twelve is definitely in the halo/apex range for the CW catalogue. Looks great, impressive design and engineering. I’m not sold on the skeleton work as a look. But it is a brilliant watch. Bravo, CW. As to the price, this feels like an extension of the CW line that makes sense to me: not limited supply, but not a daily for the average buyer either. I think the XIIX will be aspirational as they maintain the entry lux Trident/Sealander/Aquitaine models as well.

[@vaclav_fejt]

CW got lately: - Bel Canto - The Twelve in two sizes - atop a portfolio of solid sports watches. Logically, a price hike was inevitable. As well as a value misstep. But that clasp is sweet.

[@lordcharfield]

Nice! I’ve got the Atoll 300 in Reef Blue - love it to bits!

[@scottlauren3145]

Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change. Agreed 100%. I kinda dig this CW watch and I'm usually not a huge fan of their stuff.

[@bryanthebryan2638]

CW’s bread and butter diver as well as their standard Gada offering can be had for under $900 if you forgo the bracelet.

[@wristopia4101]

Jody, respect is due, your opinions and honesty do you proud. You seem to make a buck without compromising your integrity ; )

[@darkeye77]

Great discussion. I'm a big fan of CW and I see the value in this enough that if I were buying a Twelve, I think it would be this one. But I'm not convinced I want this style of watch enough. I keep trying on and putting down PRX's without buying, so clearly not ready to take this type of plunge. I'm actually excited about your prediction for more upscale CW. if they somehow manage to be a taste of high horology in the single digit thousands, that would be a really neat niche to occupy.

[@mell3109]

I think it should have a power reserve indicator. The other thing, they should have laser etched their name on the rotor instead of painting it one, the name is far too big and over powering.

[@patg3331]

I do not understand why people compare this to watches 2x the price and then complain about 5k

[@GingerDownUnder]

Forget the watch, I just love the T-shirt 👍

[@brianjohnson3743]

It’s a unique case, bigger than the regular titanium 40mm Twelve.

[@DragosDreamer1989]

I believe this is Christopher Ward just flexing their manufacturing skills. I doubt they expect mind bending sales for this watch. Just as the Bel Canto was an artistic marvel, this is more of a technological feat than anything else.

[@K.J.H_]

If Christopher Ward wants to print money they just have to make the c60 trident pro 300 in titanium. Dont drab the colour scheme, dont give it a helium valve or do anything weird. Maybe upgrade to the 56hour sw300, keep the date. Absolute pelagos 39 killer.

[@JTACTR]

Like the watch, but thickness and size is above my comfort zone..

[@tdrawley]

Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change. Stephen Hawking. I agree with him on a macro socioeconomic scale, but on an individual level, intelligence is the speed at which one can solve problems, which is why the main score criteria for IQ tests is the speed at which you complete them. This Christopher ward would be totally outclassed in this respect by a Casio 329B if you’re trying to time yourself doing the tests. Everyone would get the answers to an IQ test… eventually but it’s how fast that counts. I think the great man was referring to the human race. Are we intelligent? Can we adapt to change (for example global warming (no matter the cause)? Anyway, I will speak to my old buddy Chris Ward about this one. Hi Chris lol. Chris is not the Christopher Ward but is watch nut like me. I’ve been trying to get him to set up his own watch channel for a while now. Chris? Come on now! You’d be brilliant.

[@Box_13]

Jody, your font with the dimensions could be a bit more substantial. It looks good and looks more refined, but is just a little light to read. Exceptionally cool watch, thanks for the review.

[@ashleybowman440]

Spent ages writing a comment in T-shirtish and KZbin filtered it out!

[@ph8077]

I get censored by YT 80% of the time if I give an opinion - they usually allow my comments complaining about it though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@jesseGfragrance]

I’m considering it highly, I’m getting a watch this year to celebrate my upcoming Chicago marathon , The new coke Tudor gmt or this Christopher ward 12 x, will be my choice , unless a Rolex ad pulls through

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

Good luck with the marathon! The last quarter is a grind, but well worth it.

[@stancashman2318]

I like it Jody, almost as much as I like your shirt! 😁 But just too expensive to justify for me!

[@DXPetti]

Rado Captain Cook Ceramic Skeleton is very similar priced (and most likely less when going through a AD). But, I will admit, the CW Skeletisation is on a level that is nearly unmatched.

[@markymark3572]

It's an exercise in CW showing what they can do. They are showing off for their 20th anniversary, & why shouldn't they? They offer so much as a brand😎

[@octagon_009]

Cool T-shirt Jody!

[@Brunomills]

I don't think titnaium is softer than steel. It shows up comes off easier because the oxide layer can be easily scratched off and then it looks scratched.

[@scarredhandsreviews]

Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change.

[@KillingTimeWithNorman]

Yep! That butterfly clasp is totally a game changer! As impressive as the watch, and movement is, the clasp is very exciting.

[@willelliott5052]

I could be tempted only if it had a date and if I did not already own the Twelve Ti.

[@Mike-DuBose]

Cool watch, great shirt!

[@jcrobles63]

The VC Overseas uses the same type of micro-adjustment on the butterfly clasp. Nice trick, but not new.

[@rag_man673]

I think making the bridges black, not grey, and giving it "floating" indices off the chapter ring (creating contrast) might help make it more legible. I'm not a big fan of skeleton watches because of legibility reasons, but it's not a bad looking watch over all.

[@CorvusHyperion]

It remains to be seen if CW can actually make these (and other models). I waited a year for a Snow Leopard (same movement) before giving up.

[@23664gray]

Great tea strainer with a lovely skin nipper added.

[@mindfulawareness1]

Lots of posters on various channels claiming they can pick up a used Zenith Defy skeleton for this kind of money - good luck finding a nice example, and on the titanium, not rubber, bracelet.

[@johnholkham2420]

What happens when the Grey market Zenith needs a service ?

[@mindfulawareness1]

Good point. The owner will have a problem.​@@johnholkham2420

[@ajmarion]

I think it’s cool - I’m not going to buy one, but I appreciate the engineering behind it. 5 day power reserve for under $5k is impressive, and I think it’s a good value proposition if you like skeletons

[@BR81-iv6lt]

No it is ugly and garish

[@ajmarion]

@@BR81-iv6ltokay big guy 😂

[@BR81-iv6lt]

@@ajmarion oke small guy🤨

[@afraza5946]

Thanks but I'd rather get a lightly ised Omega or if I can get my hands on a used Zenith

[@canadianwatchmonkey3992]

Total flex by Christopher Ward. I like this watch but would I buy it? No 😊. I believe Oris had a similar watch and was about double the price. 😢

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

YES! It's a flex. Very nice flex too.

[@saphna2095]

Now the price isn't attractive, but when it comes down in the used market, and we compare again to used Propilots and Defies, it'll be a better proposition, I guess. But I can't get over how it hugs, or rather doesn't hug the wrist and floats atop...looks a bit awkward

[@ctdavis3277]

I’m not keen on skeletonized dials, with rare exceptions such as the Accutron Spaceview, but generally I feel like this is decent value for what you get.

[@BrianHartman]

Definitely out of my price range, but a nice skeletonized watch, nonetheless, and more legible than most I've seen. I kinda dig it. :) Great review, Jody!

[@DrTerryBooth]

Glad they kept the same packaging. Definitely a Marmite watch for me. Next step from the Bel Canto? Straying too far into Hublot territory?