STEAM LOCOS IN PROFILE: LB&SCR Atlantics

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@ChristheXelent 2 ай бұрын

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@fishman501 2 ай бұрын

This feels just like a 1990s-2000s BBC documentary, and I like that

@ChristheXelent 2 ай бұрын

That's pretty much what I was going for, here. I'm glad you enjoyed it

@Samstrainsofficially 2 ай бұрын

The rods were still forged to be technically correct. Just a big billet was forged to give steel up to the job then the rods were cut from this instead of taking steel and forging it into the shape of each rod. That waterjet job still wouldn't have been cheap or indeed fast at that thickness and with that material. Based on experience operating them probably a good day or more solid running the jet. But this does save time machining later as there's none of that nasty heat effected stuff to get through that you'd see with oxy cutting them and a relatively kind surface to attack in terms of how it will impact your milling bits and how fast you can work. Waterjets are a pain in the behind to keep going, just remember this before you get tempted by one

@adrianbaron4994 2 ай бұрын

As a Brightonian, I really enjoyed this video, especially the " inspired by" Who music. The locomotive works stood on high stilts ( due to the steep incline of the terrain) immediately to the east of Brighton station, with the low-level goods yard below it. It ended its days assembling Isetta bubble cars, oddly enough, then was derelict for many years before the whole area was redeveloped as the " New England Quarter", typical lego multi-storey flats. The locomotive works were part of Brighton's industrial heritage, which is barely remembered now,

@jonahpalm3117 2 ай бұрын

The Who, New British Steam, AND Chris Eden-Green?! This might be the best SLIPs episode yet!

@484berkshire 2 ай бұрын

The Terrier and Standard 4 double-heading is such an amusing sight, especially with the tiny Terrier leading that train.

@TallboyDave 2 ай бұрын

It reminds me of some old pictures of when "Evening Star" and "Hardwicke" double-headed enthusiast trains; the joke was that "Evening Star" was there to pull the train; "Hardwicke" was there to carry the train's headboard.

@joshslater2426 Ай бұрын

Poor Hardwicke. It’s a beautiful and impressive loco, but looks very miniature and toy-like when paired with anything more modern.

@TheHoveHeretic Ай бұрын

It was surprising the Terrier could shift a Class 4 and full rake .... 😂

@robertwilloughby8050 2 ай бұрын

After the Brighton line was electrified, they often hauled the London - Newhaven boat trains. Even though the Newhaven line was electrified eventually, and the three Class 70 Bulleid/Raworth electrics were put on the duty. But often the H2's especially were still used on heavy Newhaven line duty.

@Shipwright1918 2 ай бұрын

To quote old Dai Woodham, "Magic, pure magic." Never ceases to amaze me how lost engines and ones that have been slumbering for a long time are brought back to life again.

@nigelcartwright5986 2 ай бұрын

Certainly was magic for Dai, he made a fortune out of it. To quote Dai, "this is a gravy train and we've got to get on it".

@Shipwright1918 2 ай бұрын

British Rail was foolish enough to throw the money away to him by scrapping steam prematurely, some engines not even ten years old, and throwing away large parts of the network that may have been useful to keep and put to use again later. Fortunately Dai's yard was never short of work scrapping wagons and rails, and being a businessman he saw he could make some profit selling to enthusiasts moreso than what he could get for the metal in the engines, which could bide their time and rust at no cost to him. Profit the whole long way and favorable PR for the rest of his days and a positive legacy afterwards. Dai was a sly old fox to be sure. Given how virtually all the Barry yard engines were saved and make up a good part of the preserved steam fleet, I'd say it was a bargain to give the man his money and let him have the last laugh.

@russellgxy2905 2 ай бұрын

9:50 The sound is accentuated by the near invisible exhaust! Less of a spectacle perhaps, but that goes to show the driver _and_ fireman know what they're doing!

@bluebellsalmon 2 ай бұрын

You should see it with the coal we're burning at present on the Bluebell - it's black stuff, which no matter how you fire, produces dark clouds! I've never seen coal this bad.

@forrestrobin2712 2 ай бұрын

Chris, This has to be one of your best videos ever - and frankly, it’s up against some pretty stiff competition ! This was an absolute joy to watch. Don’t ever stop being awesome mate!!! Thanks.

@berkshire4607 2 ай бұрын

My favorite Atlantic is the LB&SC H1 La France

@vickielawless 2 ай бұрын

Didn't Bulleid butcher it as a testbed for Leader's cylinders?

@berkshire4607 2 ай бұрын

@@vickielawless so?

@ryankelly8902 2 ай бұрын

I’m more into the H2 because power and it’s the one they chose to rebuild, but the H1 is still a solid choice.

@berkshire4607 2 ай бұрын

@@ryankelly8902 I think the H2s are also fine locomotives

@TheHoveHeretic Ай бұрын

There's a great photo of the loco at Pompey, complete with a tenderfull of the whitewashed coal reserved for the most important of state trains.

@pendremacherald6758 2 ай бұрын

This has been my favorite class of British Steam Locomotives for several years now. It is so wonderful to see one of these in action.

@joshslater2426 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for this one Chris. It was a request I’d had in mind for ages, and the time feels right now that the new H2 is finally done. The class is such a beautiful design, with the umber livery really selling the elegance.

@tjmfarming9584 2 ай бұрын

Well done to the people at the Bluebell who brought Beachly Head back to life! It's absolutely amazing to see these new build projects come to a head. At least you Brits seem to be well-organised in this regard, unlike us Australians who these days can't even get enough funds and manpower to get our West Australian steam locos onto the mainline let alone build a new one from scratch.

@jonathanwistow6845 2 ай бұрын

Cracking looking loco and BR black really suits it. Great video. Also great to see some people with their heads out of the window. Some railways (notably NYMR) are looking to close this down, partly due to whitby running. It'll be a great shame if they do. Possibly an item for gauge the issue and something for heritage railway enthusiasts to be aware of and opposed to...

@lukegreen5341 2 ай бұрын

2:18 Awesome LBSCR Atlantic Class Express Steam Locomotive From The Bluebell Railway. Thanks Mate. XXxxx 🇬🇧 🇦🇺 🇺🇸

@sirmatsdubois2509 2 ай бұрын

This will definitely be one of the most unexpected episodes in my opinion and a brilliant steam locomotive to cover. but I'm also surprised that Chris didn't mention that technically now we have three fourths of the big four rally companies covered in brand new standard gauge running steam locomotives. The only thing we need is to get the Patriots going and we got a quartet! Let's hope that this engine continues running for many many years

@SDE1994 2 ай бұрын

were lacking any running Midland locos other than Jinties at Butterley, a 2P would be nice

@danpeppers4976 2 ай бұрын

Another awesome video Chris! I loved the (not legally) Quadrophenia/Who soundng music. The Pete Townsend strumming was on point! Da da daaa! --- --- --- --- Da daa!

@jacoblyman9441 2 ай бұрын

The "legally distinct We Won't Be Fooled Again" music at the end is making me chuckle. Sounds like the sort of melody rearranging/parody/homage I would have heard on an old Animaniacs episode. 😂

@RG-Models86 2 ай бұрын

Fantastic video as ever, Chris 👍😁

@ExpressRhubarb 2 ай бұрын

Another fantastic video Chris! could it be argued that, given that she carries part of the original, that Beachey Head could be classed as a continuation rather than a recreation~? either way, she is undenyably beautiful!

@JonWisbey 2 ай бұрын

Beautiful. Just beautiful. I've always found those Brighton Atlantics one of, if not THE best looking locomotives the UK has ever produced.

@HenryKelsall 2 ай бұрын

Once again, top work Chris. She is indeed an absolutely wonderful machine. All the best mate, hope you are well.

@joelightrailway2362 2 ай бұрын

Excellent review of the newly built LBSCR Brighton Atlantic 👍 Out of the new builds, the H2 Atlantics is definitely my personal favourite.

@marty6779 2 ай бұрын

Hope I get to see her next year! Greetings from Austria.

@coffeeee90 2 ай бұрын

Love The Who inspired music, very nicely done 👌Chris, should be proud of this one

@gregsagerer1441 2 ай бұрын

Man, I have a lot of trains to see whenever I get my passport and make a trip to the UK. Beachy Head is definitely on the list. This was one of your best videos yet!

@ryankelly8902 2 ай бұрын

This is my favourite steam locomotive of all time, so thank you Chris. I never expected you to review it so soon.

@thepoltroon992 2 ай бұрын

Love atlantics, Bluebell did really well on the H2❤

@Slyarno2795 2 ай бұрын

They have a cool design.

@marionbloom1218 Ай бұрын

Fantastic project, fantastic loco, fantastic video, thanks Chris! I've followed the project with anticipation for 20 years and saw BH complete in the shed weeks before launch, respect to all those who dedicated so much of their lives to this. One of my earliest books on railways, picked up at a jumble sale nearly 60 years ago, was "British Atlantic Locomotives" by CJ Allen and I loved it, read it so many times because it was full of what seemed like a fantastic story of fast paced innovation, it still seems to me the greatest period of loco development. It was probably one of the influences that made me want to become a professional engineer. So to see BH running is marvellous, and she looks like the most handsome, clean-lined engine you could wish for. On my hit list to ride behind soon. I have to take issue with you on one thing - a 4-4-2T is NOT an Atlantic - Atlantics are tender engines, just like Pacifics, Hudsons etc. I do adore the Adams radial, another of my favourite engines, and so pleased the Atlantic crew are getting to grips with her at long last. But it's not an Atlantic. Where on earth did you get that brilliant parody of "Won't be Fooled Again"? Great piece of work to capture the style! Well done Chris and thanks for posting.

@georgespencer8429 2 ай бұрын

Travelled behind it today from Kingscote to East Grinstead.

@canvasrails 2 ай бұрын

Super video Chris! Thank you

@Jude-72 2 ай бұрын

we'll definitely be getting this volume of SLIPS! Loving this one T3, Hunslet 16's, & Atlantic's! Fab stuff Chris.

@presfieldgoalie 2 ай бұрын

What's this? A SLIPs episode about the Brighton Atlantics right before I see Beachyhead at the Bluebell Giants of Steam gala tomorrow? Perfection!

@Ashley_van_Schooneveld 2 ай бұрын

Victoria to Brighton in less than 1h in 1907 averaging 86mph. Impressive!!!

@TheLuckyJ11 2 ай бұрын

I expected this one!

@chrisbaines6931 2 ай бұрын

Great video. That loco looks great and is a credit to the group. Regarding your comment on cylinder block patterns, with technology as it is today its much easier and cheaper to make a model in CAD, cut the pattern in polystyrene and cast it that way. No wooden patterns to store and less issues for the foundry.

@bluebellsalmon 2 ай бұрын

Indeed, we've used that technique for replacement cylinder blocks on three locos (C, H and P) on the Bluebell now. The Atlantic's cylinders were produced before that technique became available, and similarly the new block now in 'Fenchurch' was a traditional hand-made wooden pattern produced by Bluebell volunteers a good many years back.

@marionbloom1218 11 күн бұрын

Just a small correction - water jet cutting is NOT superior to forging for component like rods, it produces an inferior product metallurgically. As you say, water jet cutting preserves the grain microstructure of the steel as rolled into a flat plate, but forging causes the grain microstructure to flow around the shape which gives superior strength and resistance to fatigue. BH is never going to be run at 80 mph like the original, so the compromised strength and fatigue resistance isn't a problem, but if it was a product that was intended for main line high speed service then forging would still be the method of choice. Great video though! Thanks for posting. Marion

@TheHoveHeretic Ай бұрын

I'm going to concur with other posts .... best video to date (even if I admit to a slight* Brighton bias when it comes to mainland standard gauge railways). That characteristic wiggle the loco displays when working hard is something I'd only previously associated with the Ffesterbahn's 'Small England' type. Something to do with a comparatively short coupled wheelbase and those stonking great outside cylinders I imagine. That lined BR mixed traffic livery looks fantastic. OK, colossal bias!

@geoffreystoddart3503 2 ай бұрын

I & my mum were there on the same day Chris was there, He looked Very Well too.👍👍

@jameswright7284 2 ай бұрын

I'll probably head down to the Bluebell sometime next year to see Beachy Head

@thomasladyfan 2 ай бұрын

I wasn’t expecting that to be the next SLIP Episode! 😱 Brilliant work on the video Chris! 👏🏻😄 Looking forward to seeing more Episodes! 🎥🚂 Keep up with the good work and don’t stop being awesome! 😉👍🏻

@superplushtiman7ti075 2 ай бұрын

The revival of Beachy Head has actually been an inspiration for the people building a new Manchester, Sheffield and Lincolnshire class 2(LNER D7) 4-4-0. A replica of 567 And something they put out might suggest that after it, a replica of GCR Robinson 8B 'Jersey Lillie' no.365

@DavidHennessey1984 2 ай бұрын

1:55 - Can't help thinking about the opening to Quadrophenia... 🤣

@ChristheXelent 2 ай бұрын

Oh good, someone got the reference 😂

@DavidHennessey1984 2 ай бұрын

@@ChristheXelent Oops! 😄 In fairness, it was only after I typed this, when all was revealed... Still, a good opening sequence anyway. Crazy to think that film will be half a century old, in 5 years time!

@Sim0nTrains 2 ай бұрын

Epic Video Chris and brilliant presented, Beachy Head really does sound amazing and looks a beautiful locomotive.

@WhisperingWiltshire 2 ай бұрын

Babe wake up. A new SLIPs episode is out

@philgardener7018 2 ай бұрын

A great video thanks. Im going to see it running tomorrow

@benskiproductions 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for this episode Chris. I really enjoyed it.

@TrainBloke38 2 ай бұрын

Great Slip on the Brighton Atlantic, also coincidently this comes out two days before I'm gonna see at the Bluebell

@FormallyknownasE100 2 ай бұрын

Lovely video

@thomasflanagan2928 2 ай бұрын

Awesome 🤩

@wexfordwaster7423 2 ай бұрын

Hmm … Playing in the background towards the end is Won’t Get Fooled Again. An interesting musical choice …

@joshuaW5621 2 ай бұрын

I still can’t believe that Beachy Head 2 was completed this year.

@vectorbrony3473 2 ай бұрын

If I remember the chatter. The Adams Radial will be given to the Atlantic team for overhaul to running condition. So fingers crossed to see her in steam too

@stephendavies6949 2 ай бұрын

That's a great-looking loco. London - Brighton in 48mins back then is amazing. And much more pleasing on the eye than a Spamcan, IMO. As you say, the aesthetics came at the price of practicality, but these days, who cares? Congratulations to those who built her and to you for a wonderful video showcasing her.

@drdewott9154 2 ай бұрын

Such an interesting story, even if the UK has their fair share of new build locomotives, theyre still big news. Especially for someone like me from a place that doesnt really get stuff like new builds, or see locomotives larger than a small tender engine operating much. We also dont have much in the name of Atlantics arond my whereabouts in Denmark. We only ever had 1 Atlantic type class, the DSB P-class. Our P class locomotives were built around the same time as these Brighton Atlantics, but are very different in styling. And while 2 are in preservation, 3 if we count the Rebuilt Pr 908 which was rebuilt into a low axleweight pacific in the 1940's, neither one have been under steam since the 1986. The Danish national railway museum seems to have plans for using one of the P class, 917, as an operational locomotive in the future while its sister, 931, will remain on static display in original condition. Either way Atlantics might actually be a pretty good fit for heritage operations on larger heritage lines or mainline runs. Theyre decently powerful and fast allowing them to squeeze into modern timetables, a bit more fuel economical than larger designs, yet still capable of pulling a decently sized train. For a place like the Bluebell, it seems like an ideal match.

@TenShine1productions 2 ай бұрын

I need to get down to bluebell to see beachy one day

@lanesanders1530 2 ай бұрын

YES YES A THOUSANDS TIMES YES

@MattyP62618 2 ай бұрын

7:16 my lordz

@exveefan 2 ай бұрын

If this is the only example, why is this episode not classified as a Sole Slip episode?

@geoffreystoddart3503 2 ай бұрын

Hello @exveefan, I'm Geoffrey, the answer is that Chris doesn't do Sole Slips anymore, so this is a Special engine like the LSWR T3s episode. Just to get the chance to actually contact you, first of I am a Huge fan of your series Rolling Stock, and I Love all your characters too, I would just like to ask you two question, first is there any way to message you like Twitter, the Cast Call website or anywhere else Please, lastly a question that I'm know ever other Rolling Stock fan has been dying to ask, when the next episodes & even the special that your planning are coming Please, Thank You.👍👍🙏🤞🤞

@exveefan 2 ай бұрын

@@geoffreystoddart3503 Cancelled, lack of funds and support.

@oscarkageson-loe 2 ай бұрын

The bluebell railway should have a Victorian gala next year with Beachy head, Fenchurch, the SECR goods engine, the T3 from Swanage, the LNWR tank engine from the Worth valley and the terrier tank engine from Bressingham

@alantunbridge8919 2 ай бұрын

I visited Eastleigh Works on an Open Day in the mid 1950’s where 32424 was on display. I would like to see the recreation,however l now live in South Africa & am unlikely to visit the U.K. again.

@HeyItsAJOmega 2 ай бұрын

What a marvellous video! I saw Beachy Head at the Bluebell's Branch Line Gala in May, just before she steamed for the first time - even sat in the workshops it looked amazing! One question - any reason why its a replica of an existing member of the class, rather than a 'next in the class' like Lady of Legend or Tornado? Is it because Beachy Head uses parts from the original 32424, and/or legacy/original parts in general? :)

@simonolsen9995 2 ай бұрын

Hey there CEG. Good to see you're still kicking. Loving the hair these days man. So here's my ask. How about heading up a campaign for a plastic scale model of the Beachy Head in 1/32 or 1/35 scale? I've kept all my modelling gear for years, waiting for a decent kit of a classic UK steam loco to come out. I don't wan't a train set. Just a detailed accurate kit to build, paint and commune with. Then sit on a shelf looking pretty. An Atlantic would be perfect. Please take up this cause Chris. No other bugger is.

@ChristheXelent 2 ай бұрын

I'd love to help, but I wouldn't know where to begin with producing my own range of kits.

@anthonyjackson280 2 ай бұрын

It is astonishing to me how many steam locos are operational in the UK (greetings from Canada). and that new builds are underway. But - from where shall they acquire fuel? Aren't all the coal mines in UK being shut down?

@ChristheXelent 2 ай бұрын

Yes, they are. At the moment, heritage lines are sourcing whatever coal they can find. Newer stuff is coming from Columbia, South Africa and Poland. But there's been tons of ex-Russian coal left around in shipping yards since the Ukrainian war began, some of which has been snapped up for use on heritage lines. In some cases, real coal is being mixed in amongst the experimental biocoal.

@Trainatical 2 ай бұрын

Hey, Chris! I'm curious about the rumor you mentioned about D. E. Marsh. Was this rumored additional Atlantic meant to be one of the H1s or H2s, or was this said to be some new development of the former? Thank you for the wonderful documentary!

@ChristheXelent 2 ай бұрын

Hey Thanks for turning in. It's not entirely clear in any biographical accounts which type it was; it's not even clear whether said rumours were true or not. But given the time it happened, it wouldn't surprise me if it was intended to be a H2.

@OliverWalkerModRail 2 ай бұрын

Well this isn’t what I expected, but I loved it nonetheless!!

@IDontKnowHowIGot2TheKFC Ай бұрын

I’m confused You said that the tractive effort of an H2 was 20,800 pounds, or about 20.8 short tons. If South Foreland hauled 324 tons, that means the H2 was hauling between 648,000 and 725,760 pounds depending on which measurement was used. So basically that H2 was hauling 30 to 35 times it’s tractive effort

@AEKarnes 2 ай бұрын

Nothing too old fashioned about that beauty. Just gives you exercise to oil! Also of note: this is the only non-miniature Atlantic currently running on planet earth.

@joshslater2426 24 күн бұрын

I would love to make a new build LNWR Precursor Tank, but I don’t have the money nor the engineering skills to make it happen. If not, a Great Central or North British Atlantic would be great, and probably easier to crowdfund.

@challengerpat9810 2 ай бұрын

Looks like there's a lot of new build locos in Britain right now even a new build diesel

@michaelbenitez539 2 ай бұрын

I won't be surprised if your next episode is about Betton Grange

@TallboyDave 2 ай бұрын

I'm an LNER fan through and through; I make no bones about this. And yet, I have to say that the Brighton Atlantics like "Beachy Head" here? They just look RIGHT as the archetypal 'Edwardian express passenger locomotive', in a way that not even the Ivatt GNR Atlantics can manage.

@tooleyheadbang4239 Ай бұрын

This is why I find it difficult to accept them in modern livery.

@niallstewart2383 2 ай бұрын

Are you planning to do a video on the Great Western Railway 2900 Saint class 4-6-0 locomotives next or do you have another class locomotive in mind for the next video.

@TheSudrianTerrier653 2 ай бұрын

Wonder if this new build could generate interest in recreating a Lawson Billinton design (E2, K, L)

@thesudricmerman3318 2 ай бұрын

Group they built beachy head did look into building new k class but found it to difficult so why there working on restoring the adames tank and b4 dock shunter instead shame about k but understandable

@xaviers2ndaccount354 2 ай бұрын

Maybe they could build a new E2? The blueprints still exist

@TheBlueEM2 2 ай бұрын

@xaviers2ndaccount354 Hard to justify. They were only 3F/1P, so are underpowered for most trains, and had rather poor brakes.

@xaviers2ndaccount354 2 ай бұрын

@@TheBlueEM2 How about, for something completely different, they could build a new LSWR H16 4-6-2T? They were basically tank engine versions of the S15 class, which has many survivors, so they could just take one of the preserved members. What's more, most of the parts, including the boiler and motion, are basically already there, and AFAIK no British 4-6-2T's survive, so this would be a good idea for a new-build. They are also quite powerful and versatile, so heritage lines could make good use of it.

@TheBlueEM2 2 ай бұрын

@xaviers2ndaccount354 There's an idea. Given that the Bluebell has LSWR engines and coaches it wouldn't look too out of place, and Swanage would no doubt want to pair it with their T3.

@tomster_6274 2 ай бұрын

Everybody shut up. New SLIP just dropped

@robertbalazslorincz8218 2 ай бұрын

I will admit I was a little lukewarm towards this engine, but this episode of SLIP may or may not have given me a small nudge towards liking it.

@musclecat1005 2 ай бұрын

I will pay money to have Beachy Head painted Improved Engine Green because I think it'd be funny

@ChristheXelent 2 ай бұрын

And maybe not that far off reality, either. Not forgetting of course that Marsh Umber didn't become a universally adopted livery immediately from Marsh's appointment

@KerbalRocketry 2 ай бұрын

She fits the bluebell so well, it's been decades in the making of the need for this size of engine being needed at the bluebell so it makes sense. she's just the right size for the work, not too small, not too large, and most of all she's Brighton.