DEFCON 19: Hacking MMORPGs for Fun and Mostly Profit ( w speaker)

[@donnyaston8109]

I feel like the guy on the right should've done more talking ...

[@interstellarsurfer]

+Brian Fundakowski Feldman It's hard to understand why Lax hated him.

[@landon9560]

+Donny Aston (Blac Waldo) Well remember, in the beginning, he said the guy on the right was basically a last minute add-in so his whole "lecture" wasn't made for the both of them, it was made for a strait through talk by the guy on the left.

[@jasonsmith7671]

+Landon great point sir i think they were really just full of life i couldn't take my eyes off this talk they seem thoroughly excited with life i think the last time i felt this hyped up was when i done cocaine when on day release after the ten stretch i had to do for being a bore to society. fucking ace man any more vids you know of? PS. the ethernet pull out totally works i don't wear condoms at all just pull the ethernet when I'm coming past the monster and its worked every time even on wifi thumbs up to that tip.

[@Niven42]

Two words: gag order.

[@TheChiizu]

Guy on the left is putting me to sleep Zzzzzzzzz....

[@liquidminds]

someone being so hard against "noobs" should not control powerpoint like one...

[@danamoroso-xjq]

True that.

[@FailedSquare]

chris85669 i left two weeks ago, buddy

[@tomwatson1]

A noob is what these guys are, they hack because they have 0 skill in gaming.

[@tomwatson1]

chris you explained the death of a game, not to play. That's what hacks do they remove the player to an extent depending on which hack. This guys never went pro so they found another way to make money off the gaming industry by reverse engineering the game and ruining the games economy usually.

[@tomwatson1]

Well the hacks you create for that game make your character the best. Even if you didn't make the cheat for that purpose.

[@praydog1]

Mike was the only remotely interesting speaker here. The other guy was too full of himself.

[@VemiX1000]

Yeah totally, buuuut he kinda can back up the banter tho

[@treefrog1985]

Feels good when the crowd goes silent whenever left guy makes one of his lame mean-spirited 'jokes'.

[@jakethewoz]

1. "I wanted to punch the dudes because it wasn't very cool" 2. *lip smack* 3. Drink a liter of orange juice 4. "Noobs need not apply"

[@Rehvidepaigaldus]

Lmao dude on left is a by the book example of a 90s IT dude

[@moneyluser5711]

crap talk. almost no actual content. just vague comments.

[@altimmons]

They keep apologizing every time they show something interesting. But then get back to such overly general stuff I could have given the entire talk. In 8th grade. Not that I’m intelligent. It’s just that they’re like well you can hack the game. Or you can use bots. And if the game detects you you get banned. Also, there are glitches. If you exploit that glitch you can get something. Everyone knows that, since like Mario.

[@mikael9325]

@@altimmons yeah pretty obvious. But the audience is full of adults who don't obviously know this stuff

[@AlanChavezV]

This has been by far one of the worst talks I've seen in defcon. Let alone his poor communication skills (and I'm not even talking English not being his native language), he just wasn't prepared. Alienating people off in a conference where you're supposed to share the knowledge was just plain annoying. I don't even know how he got to senior level in a company. People without people skills should not be senior.

[@jerkchickenblog]

someone has to be senior and if you start something yourself, its' usually you for better or worse

[@healthymango2122]

Not sure if the guy's a jerk or has just really really bad social skills

[@kilimangan]

healthyMango both

[@octorok]

Ehhh, he mentioned wanting to punch the guy from a previous year's talk for being a noob. I found that talk and honestly it was a lot more enjoyable to watch than his.

[@sie11pervan]

It's DEFCON. Honestly, what are you expecting?

[@notcomplicit7982]

rootisroot bro what talk was it I can't find it , can you hook a brother up ??

[@youtubeuser206]

he said sorry, he didn't think he was that boring

[@lukasmorkunas9356]

Respect to the guy that made Glider.

[@mastermill79]

Lukas Morkunas I hope he and all his followers gets terminal hemroids.

[@nigeltroy_]

? I think that your hate is for the guy on the left, not the right.That's some pretty specific hate though.

[@IdealContracting]

mastermill79 lol did some botters steal all your mobs? Boohoo

[@o0Donuts0o]

50 mins and all we learnt was there are exploits and here's a list of them. If this is what is discussed at DefCon then I would be a God.

[@ReroutedYearAD]

*hacks There is showing of script and they explained what you have to do for altering that script for these, so by definition, they are indeed hacks.

[@fairguinevere666]

At 25:00 they talked about integer underflow. This actually happened in overwatch in competitive where a person threw all their games until their Elo dipped below 1, and they became world number one.

[@Uatemydoodle]

As if a game could ever mess that up...

[@MarekMadejski]

This was how you got "nuclear Gandhi" in "Civilization"!

[@phulcrum1984]

Left Dude: "I don't think he realized, I think he was just trying to be cool." Exactly what Left Dude is trying to do.

[@lorenzohkirk24]

i don't like the way this guy speaks. He talks down to everyone.

[@bobndweave8539]

come back when youve hacked runescape.

[@bobndweave8539]

Bobnd Weave : D

[@uncutVidsd123]

+Bobnd Weave lol

[@Dennis19901]

"Hacked" never happened. Things like item-duping did happen a few times. Also big exploits where people would lose their stuff to others.

[@M1mer]

If you use someone's system and use it in ways that were never possible by their design, that's a hack by definition.

[@M1mer]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_culture First line: "Not to be confused with security hacker." Look shit up before you spread false info.

[@jacksputrid]

1 minute into comments. Starts crafting voodoo doll of “guy on the left”

[@TheMageBank]

Ok. I am sorry to say, but this talk sucked.

[@fromtheptothab]

those guys should attend a speaking 101

[@Sawta]

That's the thing though - they don't need to be perfect at public speaking as long as they can get their point across. They aren't releasing a shiny new Apple product or talking about a new car line, they are talking about a minute concept for a specific platform. When you get into topics that are that niche the audience is basically expected to lower their expectations a bit because of how detailed and specific that topic is. It doesn't excuse the lower quality of their presentation, but given how niche the concepts that are being discussed are, it is much more understandable at least.

[@adamlechamp1342]

Agreed. This makes for painful fucking viewing. They should just avoid the comedy routine and just get to the technical aspects.

[@therawlifefamily]

It was definitely meant for in person viewing.. I haven't watched the whole thing, but you probably can't hear the audience heckling.

[@Bvic3]

They don't need to. They are making a lot of money without being pro speakers.

[@daveice20]

where can I find a video of just Mike Donnelly speaking?

[@shoooozzzz]

Interesting topics, shame the presenter made it impossible to bare

[@w-i-s-e_a-p-p-l-e]

By remaining true to oneself without seeking to compare and compete you will achieve universal respect

[@archvaldor]

The comments on dupes were accurate. What may not come across because of the context is that ANYONE regardless of educational level and/or programming skill can find a dupe and potentially make a ton of money. You just need to find a quirk in the game itself, no knowledge of code is necessary.

[@KoldAsHell]

How would you go about making money when you find the dupe though?

[@DisDatK9]

​@@KoldAsHell advertising, put it out there that you have found a new dupe method and are selling. You'd have to bring forth evidence, of course, but if you're legit and put yourself out there you will get customers

[@Sol9-z]

@@KoldAsHell Don't bother, most mmos have patched out every dupe that's been found over the years. You'd have to be extremely lucky to find one.

[@oskarimantere1914]

I don't get the dislike of the "monotone" guy on the left side. I think he explained the stuff pretty well, his speaking was concise and to the point and he was reasonably witty.

[@Higgs702]

he was a little combative, but I didn't mind...

[@flatbg1]

Had to turn it off even though the topic is pretty interesting. I can't get past that guys douchiness...

[@mardigrasking5456]

I am watching this in 2019 at 480p. man how video quality has changed

[@JamesShelnutt]

I'd say he doesn't sound like a jerk - more like a nerd & doesn't have good communication skills (IE: he's not a suave speaker) plus he's not here to make friends anyway

[@Frajmando]

And he's also very very boring listening to. The subject is very interesting, but he kinda kills it

[@rodericklina]

So, "not being here to make friends" == "being a douchebag"? I get you don't have to suck up to anybody, but, jesus, it's not that hard. Specially for a guy who tries to look so smart. Is it that hard to be "mildly nice"? Creating bots is no rocket science, you know. Loads of people can do it pretty easily and give talks about it.

[@TheWu727]

Just letting you guys know they went with in game RMT because it so much easier to track things like - How you attained the cash How possible it is in game logic to attain said cash (such as intermediate logic checks like - did player a attack said npc for item, or attained materials to craft, also having a unique ID set by the server that doesn't call from the client is a good way to check) The bank/account/paypal being associated to cheating, etc. and Tons more, with more people speaking up about the hacks they used, it sets a new bar for hackers to succeed. I would like to add, by hacking (and I'm no anti-hactivist) you are actually allowing companies to attain the rights to snoop and or downright track all information sent by your clients, your programs, pretty much your entire network. These guys MAY say that game developers are "naive" they are wrong. A lot of game developers leave open code in the game, they do so to find and weed out the potential hackers. When a game is released, nobody can really have anything that can give them a leg up. With hackers, they find the immediate function that can be addressed and modify it. This is EASILY seen when using an authoritative server and can be used later legally. My point is, yeah you can make a lot of money hacking and exploiting. But it is extremely easy for the developers, who have experience in their OWN source code to see what is happening. Hackers only have a small portion or a basic picture of all the work behind the scenes but they do NOT have access to the authoritative servers or the back ups on databases unless they do some serious attacks on the server. This is also very easy to confirm and will net you actual jail time. All in all, Video game piracy, RMT hacks, client snoop/ packet adjustments, are all very easy to confirm. A lot of hackers make the misconception that if they don't get an immediate response from the server such as a ban notice or disconnect, then it is safe to proceed. Game developers will set traps along the way and set dummy code to entice the hacker to trigger the trap. This can be done by creating a dummy script with named variables, then a proxy script to deal with the variables before sending away to server. There are many more ways to detect than to hack. Keep that in mind if you are young and are serious about exploiting. I would agree with most to say that, with todays tools, its much easier to just make your own game create a legit and resourceful revenue stream through that. Video games started grossing well over hollywood revenues in mid 2008, we've come along way. Hackers have too. But unfortunately for them, with the way the worlds going, they will have no security of their own when trying to do their business and will suffer serious reactions. Again, I recommend you make your own games. Things like steam are available for people under the radar and can easily net you fame and legitimacy. Your customer base will also be of normal folk, and not shady players who could just as easily be hacking you for your money just as you are hacking the game for its money. Hackers are the one being "naive" in these situations.

[@SKiLLsSoLoN]

TheWu727 Nicely said!

[@cherokeehernandez9748]

This comment is old but you sir are a gift from god :p

[@drygordspellweaver8761]

found the blizzard dev

[@FunOfTheChase]

The part I wish this talk had was more info about the analytics systems the major MMO shops have in place, typically. I mean, back in the day, a game like SWG in 2003, we duped our asses off, and nobody knew about it. Duped items, currency, everything. Nowadays though, I think most major MMO's have some kind of analytics in place that say "ok, this guys account had a major currency spike", or "ok, this guy is in possession of x amount of this rare item, which is worth x value, this is abnormal". You can go on the EVE forums any day of the week and see a guy crying that he got his walled set to negative ISK because they think he received ISK from a known farmer. Obviously, these questions would be pretty difficult to answer unless you've worked on a major MMO recently, but from being banned from MMO's recently, it's reasonable to guess there are some kind of systems in place to automatically flag players for suspicious activity.

[@toolzgalore2]

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[@WTFWalrus]

godly plate of the whale duping on diablo 1 =P

[@Hijynx87]

WTFWalrus That's not an mmo though.

[@LiamKarlMitchell]

ELK stack, statsd, graphite, custom analytic tools for warnings Hourly reports for outliers. But you don't want to rely on an automatic ban system for such things...

[@faradaysage15]

yeras ago, eve had a dedictaed guy looking at abnormalites constantly, great blue team hacker. now that china owns it and eve echoes, meh....farmer bots exist because only the obvious botters get banned. no skill in fighting cheaters now.

[@fadmad7257]

I think the guy on the left is just trying to be funny, it's defcon they have a pretty hard culture of insulting and dissing, nothing to be taken seriously, however they aren't good speakers though ( this has nothing to do with the rudeness) they just couldn't present this exciting content in an exciting manner, but if you look past that and watch till the end, then you will get a lot out of it

[@doingtime20]

guy on the left ruined talk.

[@katawatenshu]

Starts at 6:40, dunno if it goes anywhere

[@tron-8140]

+buttercrap It doesn't.

[@raulalcoi]

The topic was really interesting for me since i play a lot of games but the guy on the left just made me close this video.

[@kryptikkomatose]

besides being pricks that blond guy also seems annoyed that the game companies make the games hackable how he talks about in a annoyed voice about how they still havent fixed these games or dont know how too write code too prevent hacking seems like he wish someone would stop him from doing this. and u can totally tell this guy gets his sense of self from hack games he thinks he top shit cuz he knows how too program "ooo aww your soo cool man" get over yourself

[@naromofficial6049]

These guys sound like me when I bullshit a powerpoint the night before it's due.

[@therawlifefamily]

There was but it wasn't recorded. I don't think any of them are.

[@DonTekNO]

9:30 .... at that EXACT moment i spotted in between the mess on my desk, my original disk of HELLGATE London ..... coincidence?! ....

[@notcomplicit7982]

Mark Abrams you need to clean your desk ;)

[@SwagDawg]

wait, I don't get what the guy on the left did wrong... can someone tell me?

[@MrNutter]

I rate this presentation a million billion / 10

[@Xenibalt]

ROFL

[@supersophisticated9943]

22:30 - wtf, windows vista start-up?

[@officialpjkillah]

I can't watch half these videos from Def Con, believe me I want to but I just can sit through it. The worst part is i'm not convince to spend $200 to go and sit listening to mono tone speakers.

[@sikleqt]

I just rewatched this after not seeing it for, I'm sure at least since it was posted... and man does it bring back memories.

[@louissabri960]

God this was so sad. The jokes, or at least I think they were meant as jokes, literally made NO ONE laugh

[@ssshenkie]

Developers are not so naive i would say, they want to keep the fans happy so security is often overlooked, because its pretty costly.

[@corriblehunt4554]

I wonder where his wife's from. Ukraine? Thailand?

[@Xenibalt]

haha rekt

[@Nick_Redlee]

Why does this video have 700k+ views while all others have around 1k

[@cdbcbd4930]

mmo that were browser/java that are now app/!xamp{soz brain fart}, can noclip after patch?

[@therawlifefamily]

@DehMisterBrown There was, and we took questions for over an hour, but they aren't recorded.

[@obiwankenobi661]

47:33 to me, the most telling thing about the guy on the left is how he quits when he faces a challenge. instead of trying to pronounce that word he just stonewalls and tries to brush it off acting cool. no way he is good at anything outside of what he already knows/became good at as a teenager

[@robertadkins5097]

is there a way to speak to Mike on facebook ? anyone have his link?

[@Bodyskillz2011]

they didnt show anything on to do it

[@Exidose]

"In your base killing your mans" "I'm pretty sure its that, i'm never wrong" Well.. you were wrong m8.

[@DonteatpieRotmgScam]

Fucking sarcasm is hard to detect, isn't it?

[@Supersonicboom7]

This feels so akward, that is made even more obvious by how akward their on stage relationship is aswell.

[@Oldnotweak]

cheating on any multiplayer game is the lamest thing you could do in life

[@seanrasmussen4955]

you all are my hero's but is there a way to bit flip all blizzards game files and backups and will it be effective at causing damage

[@Dazart]

am i allowed to make a bot for wow that just runs in circles for 8 hours then stops?

[@asj3419]

Point?

[@michaelguardado4545]

Can someone tell me where to learn all this hacking stuff. I want to learn more. IE botnets, js infecting, etc.

[@joekiller9399]

I'll show you ... what's it for?

[@yshouldifoogle6724]

anyone know more about the story of "glider" and "wow" i want to know what kind of settlements were offered if any. i feel like blizzard didn't want to hit him so hard because it doesn't even hurt blizzard when most of the people just re-subscribed and they made more $.

[@amthatwas]

According to what Mercury said at the time (in the Glider forums), Blizzard actually came after him pretty hard. He said that when their lawyers showed up, he immediately offered to shut down Glider, but that wasn't good enough for them and they were pretty hell-bent on wringing some unreasonable amount of money out of him. I think he mentioned how much money they were trying to demand from him, but I don't recall what it was after all these years. In any case, it was an amount that he considered to be unacceptable, so he changed Glider's pricing model in order to raise funds for a big legal battle, and tried to fight them. I'm guessing that the reason they came after him so hard was to set an example. The guy was publicly selling his bot, as a legally registered business, and making millions of dollars. If they had let it continue, that would encourage other people to do the same. If Blizzard didn't make a very loud public stand against something like that, it would send a bad message to the player base. If he had just been selling his bot from the shadows, they probably wouldn't have been so inclined to come after him.

[@RadimSafran]

I got most of these Multi-Hacks for free, how does the hacker profit from it? ?

[@doktork3406]

they may inject malware into them and steal your banking credentials / keylog your facebook account and sell the data / take use of your computer / install dropper into your computer and ask other hackers to pay to be able to install stuff in your computer / etcetcetc........maany ways belive me...

[@justin9571]

You just bought the free ones, a few will be payed. Idk whhat the other is saying about them hacking your bank account xD

[@JamesShelnutt]

one thing I wonder is, say like in WoW, are macro commands that you can use in the game written in LUA as well? Cause I've seen macros & they sound much like this, ex: casting spells.

[@JumpinJimmy956]

At 48:30 they were talking about back in the days of CoD2 and ET. netCoders and several other cheat communities found that they would simply scan the users RAM for certain strings of code. Pansemuckl and Rainerstoff got A LOT of people banned. PunkBuster released an official statement on their site back in 2008.

[@bradleymorgan5636]

out here trying to find a way to get ahead at the duel area lmao

[@krphieler]

Between Josh's inability to speak publicly or work a PowerPoint & Mike's swarmy dickishness, this was unwatchable. Really disappointing because most Defcon presenters have great presentations. Also, what the hell is up with them continually telling the panel audience they should probably leave?

[@MrDpsc]

Very good talk. But I hear you guys talking kind off negative about dll-injection yet you mention a guy who succeeded in it undetected. How is that possible? Is detection soo bad or did he patch a part of the detection mechanism? (I'm a noob...)

[@vasiapatov4544]

after reading all these comments I thought I really wouldn't like the guy on the left, but you know, after watching the video, I really don't like the guy on the left

[@Chem-s3o]

sadly the guy on left ruined the whole presentation :(

[@HenrikGamborg]

Well, comments for the left guy has been covered, no need for me to add on.

[@Xenibalt]

hahah aced it

[@DavidUtrobin]

any questions? "NOPE!"

[@WhosTanga]

Does anyone know if these guys have tried to hack runescape?

[@DankRageRants]

WhosTanga yep one of them invented the auto rune program

[@unsubme2157]

Rxccode auto rune? im not familiar with that what did it do? i have played for like 16 years lol

[@Ramkatt]

auto rune duplicated items back in 2004 or something

[@Lepardi]

auto rune :D ooh.. the memories! kellys auto catch script was the best xD

[@PIasticShadow]

This isn't a hack but people exploited server updates like what they were talking about killing someone and looting and letting the other person dc with the update on runescape lol

[@Archangel-hv6zc]

How much does it cost to buy a hack from them?

[@RnBandCrunk]

12:04 did this guy just call a meme in 2012? holy shit 1. Play with memory editing 2. locate key data structures 3. ??? 4. profit!

[@TheSkyrux]

I find this entertaining. dont know what you guys are on about.

[@lokey9396]

The one dude is kind of a dick but other then that it's still a decent talk imo

[@CasperTheGhost64]

It's just poor social skills

[@NinjaDino11]

That left russian guy was really cringeworthy to watch

[@MrSpiderman1321]

sounds like he has a tongue pierce

[@bcrtrx]

nice mention of RunUO i have always been very impressed w that project

[@bigtimetimmyjim6486]

Used Glider, mainly because the WoW community is cancerous and I needed a way to make the game fun. Your software was excellent and you should be proud of yourself.

[@tr909love]

How will you hack wow which is a server side game ...how is that possible ?

[@MegaMrRafael]

They're hacking the client, so if the server trusts everything the client says then there's no issue

[@Niven42]

So... What did you all think of the guy on the left?

[@zimbu_]

Stop bashing game devs, guy on the left. This whole thing relies on devs focusing on fun gameplay instead of anti-hacking and not going after hackers unless somebody does serious damage to their product.

[@jesuslightsmyway]

Is that Hamilton or w/e his name was or Mercury they where the 2 owners / co owners of glider at the time and the major coders, the 3rd was like a moderator Ocktra or something, the guy on the left makes me think of him.

[@amthatwas]

There was only one owner of Glider, and it was Mercury. At one point, he hired another guy to come in and help code so that he could focus on his legal battle with Blizzard. And that guy's screen name did start with a 'H' (though I can't remember what it was right now). I assume that's who you're thinking of.

[@nietaki]

They keep mentioning how game programmers *still* don't know how to defend their "usual aporach" attacks. The presentation could be much more beneficial to "normal programmers" like me if they actually mentioned ways of mitigating some of those attacks.

[@therawlifefamily]

@AiDz0r glad you liked it.

[@McDarthrick]

The main guy is jealous of the other guy, I'm assuming because he's smarter lol.

[@Stockholmc9o]

a well spent hour of my life

[@stevenpooley393]

game company sells you the game, then through a third party sell you the hacks to make it fun (pay to win with extra steps). then do ban waves so you will buy the game and the "new" hack again thats not bannable

[@herauthon]

i always thought that the ingame economics was a bit hyperbended. .

[@predatortheme]

Saying that game developers naiv is rude, most of the time the game developers, or the programmers themselves dont have the time to add in big security measurements, they are under constant pressure from above, if they wanted to make a cheat (proof) or atleast cheat-resisting game, they probaly could do it from a knowledge point-of-view ... yeah but its all about releasing a game/patch/update as fast as possible and all that matters is money, cheat resistance is not always top priority

[@salmjak]

And as they later point out: Botters also provide profit.

[@RokenPL]

very interesting to watch

[@RisvoldTheGreat]

no Asheron's call info? hmm odd.

[@adrianocoutinho434]

"that guys does" "oh that guy leaving" these guys are funny.

[@stefanwurmb2329]

Back in the days of WoW private servers i used packet editor to create a character with a space inside (only client check), which made him unbannable by GM inside the game, because all commands split by space :D. Later i killed an invisible GM behind me by accident who was following me, was pretty hilarious in the TS :D

[@troller4jesus]

I was a script kiddie and was messing around with Cheat Engine in WoW classic. For some reason when I queued for WSG I was a level 44 Warlock on a mount in the 10-19 WSG bracket. I had no idea how or why it happened but I just ran around the entire time on my mount and others were just stopping and starring at me like "wtf".

[@LlDDSLl]

If you have pretty much 0 knowledge about any of this but want to learn, where is a good place to start? Not any schools, self-teaching.. If anyone has helpful sites or something please let me know :)

[@Bastacat]

It's mostly passed on from person to person. A random guy with knowledge of how to code a software starts to work on a random project and decides to share a source code along the way with someone else who improves it and does the same thing until someone picks it up and finishes. There are no forums that you can google for that will teach you this stuff,because it's all done by programmers. If you know how to create a software of somewhat complex nature,you can figure out how to make almost anything. Granted you will need some minor help and tips,which can be found around the surface web,but the chances are it will be scattered across hundreds of different forums,which means you will need to know where to look,in which case you will need friends who can point you in the right direction. In short: If you don't know how to write your own software,and you don't know where to go to look for tips and tricks,there is no way for you to start out,at least not if you're expecting to achieve something in next 3 or 5 years.

[@MageAtYou]

***** Depending on whom you ask and who you are, it's tough to begin with. Java or python is simple and could be your first langage the first few months. :)

[@ottawadigs]

the squeeze network trick is BS nowdays since they use player location on the server end which is why you rubber band back to where the server last saved your position regardless of where you are now - ex: Path of Exile

[@Makingnewnamesisdumb]

So this guy feels bad about exploiting players in age of conan for money by stealing their items, but he doesn't feel bad about stealing from NPCs and then reselling those items for a profit... Even though that's taking advantage of the people developing the game. And also in the long run ruining the game experience for the players.

[@easttowesttransport1625]

Stopped watching because guy on the left is being annoyingly rude.

[@kumquatmagoo]

Chugging orange juice on stage. What a monster.

[@scumgod7234]

lmao

[@rockface9269]

Most boring monotone guy ever

[@TheMohawkNinja]

This was one of the better talks that I've seen so far.

[@GladerDev]

I didn't know Jack Black wrote Glider.

[@jacobthomas939]

Okay so if you go to the website where the guy on the left's email is hosted, the WOW website comes up. They must've bought his domain

[@lichansan1750]

Those bots were annoying as shit and due to that i kinda hate those guys. they destroyed the fun for several people for their own benefit.

[@lucah4613]

watched this one year and a half ago to this day. didnt have ANY coding skills, i put in the work and now im writing drivers and my own hypervisor.

[@Draizil]

How? Which ressources you used, which little projects you did to keep motivation?

[@jerkchickenblog]

(4 years later) 'oh i gave up on that... i had no idea what i was doing. i was just talking about my ass. but NOW i really know what I'm doing and i'm a level designer for some shitty project you've never heard of.'