Christian Nationalist Rocky Malloy claims not having chaplains in schools "creates mental disease"

[@richardowens9061]

So, when are they going to start caring about the kids victimized by clergy?

It depends on how much legal expenses and hush money are left in this year's budget.

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

Never. The Bible is fine with it.

[@DrumWild99]

They care enough to keep a list of victims, so they know who's easy. They're monsters.

[@Ulford]

Great question.

[@RoyLogan-y8v]

Never because they don't give a shit about children

[@conniefitzpatrick8273]

Hire professionals not religious substitutes

[@georgesheffield1580]

Religious mythologist are fools

[@joycej9415]

True, we really need kids to get actual therapy.

[@thesoundsmith]

They ARE - religious professionals... In Blue States, the focus is on generic education. In Red States, the focus is on indoctrination. BOTH sides ignore history...

[@spencers4121]

These people that want this, should be forced to see a faith healer instead of a doctor.

[@KyleSmith-qt9sg]

This.

[@thesoundsmith]

I LOVE it! You hate science, don't use it. We'll even pay a $20 co-pay if you never use OUR medicines. And put a cap on the price of herbals. So both sides are "fair" as we'll allow.

[@TheJimtanker]

I'm an ordained minister in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I should apply and see if I get turned down for being the wrong religion. Lawsuit anyone?

[@terrylong8894]

*cough*Church of Satan*cough*

[@poisonarrow658]

They'll get so angry when the kids are more curious about the Flying Spaghetti Monster than their psychopath god

[@kappasphere]

As long as they don't ask, you might not have to tell. You only have to say "I believe in the great one", and wish people a noodleful day.

[@Wes-x9p]

ME TOO

[@markbcrich]

Call yourself a Christian pastor. Then read from the Gospel of Thomas. They will love v. 22. "(22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom." They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?" Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."

[@annoyance82]

I am a Christian and a licensed social worker. Trust me, keep chaplains out of school

[@Endoscopic911]

I'm ecstatic that they finally realize "WOKE" means intelligent.

[@Tvaikah]

That isn't what it means though. Theocrats being trash doesn't excuse you just lying.

[@mehnah5033]

​@@Tvaikah​ Woke - being aware of and attentive to important social issues, especially those related to racial and social justice How to be Woke: Have increased understanding, therefore helping individuals gain a deeper *understanding of the world around them* and the issues that affect different communities. This understanding can lead to more informed *decision-making* and a greater ability to engage in meaningful dialogue about important issues. That includes intelligence and empathy, no?

[@thaddeusgenhelm8979]

@@Tvaikah I mean, one could argue that it's actual meaning could be boiled down to "exhibiting emotional intelligence and compassion for people not like yourself" or something, since the original concept was about becoming aware of, waking up to, the social inequities others suffered that you were previously blind to (sleeping on, I suppose). But yes, just saying it's synonymous with intelligent is, at best, hyperbole.

[@dominicfucinari1942]

@@Tvaikah What lies are you accusing Goldguns of?

[@Scanner9631]

Woke = The Good Samaritan. 😇

[@yvonneharris1307]

Why do they need it in schools? Do they not have churches, and religion in the homes?

[@angharadswansea9343]

I believe that parents nowadays hand over the raising of their children. Many of these parents haven’t seen the inside of a church in years.

[@Scanner9631]

It isn't for THEIR kids it is to convert YOUR kids.

[@ocularpatdown]

@@yvonneharris1307 christofascists want to insinuate themselves into every aspect of people’s lives. It’s what the liars and pdf files live for.

[@AegixDrakan]

Ok, wow, this really hits home to me, as someone who was a devout catholic as a teen, and was at a very catholic high school. The whole "Original sin, we're all worthless sinners" dogma was a heavy contributing factor to my very dark depression as a teen. ie, the religion was part of what was giving me serious mental illness at the time. :(

[@gabrielamora6265]

It was intentionally designed to make people feel that way. Christianity is psychological abuse.

[@ziploc2000]

Professional Counselors, yes, religious proselytizers, no.

[@thephantomeagle2]

National school chaplain association? Why does that creep me out.

[@chillnophone2024]

Makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit. 😟

[@AegixDrakan]

Because you have pattern recognition!

[@AndyCutright]

Because you don't like folks exercising their #1A rights to associate with others freely.

[@thephantomeagle2]

@ not at all. I’m a Methodist and have been for most of my life, though I strayed due to my ultra conservative family. It worries me due to the often rampant abuse that happens in church. I worry that predatory priests….. I also worry about the fact that we need trained psychologists and social workers in schools who are trained and educated to deal with things study priests may not be ready, or even able, to handle, like the subjects mentioned in the video. Given the recalcitrant views of too many church leaders for non straight, non cis people, it could be disastrous

[@dominicfucinari1942]

@@AndyCutright To Cutright: What chaplains' rights are you accusing us of cutting into exactly? What are children whom a school's favored sect dislikes supposed to do?

[@dspondike]

Christo-Fascist hatred of anything and everything "Left".

[@AegixDrakan]

And by "left" they mean "Anything that isn't prostrating yourself in front of our religion and doing whatever we tell you" :(

[@Tvaikah]

*Christian 'Fascist' is built in to Christianity, no matter how many Christians want to keep one foot in the door deluding themselves about that.

[@emilyfeagin2673]

Because we hold them accountable?

[@EmpressNoriko]

I’m an atheist, raised without religion, but while I was in the Army I explored other religions. This was the 80s and being a woman in the Army was tough. The Catholic chaplain was in my survey of world religions class. I was SA’d by the officer in charge of the office I worked in. Months later he decided I should be put out of the Army so I spoke up. The investigation was as much of a nightmare as the assault. I’d be interrogated (and yes that’s the word) from 7a.m. - 3 p.m. then have to work the swing shift until 10:30. I finally broke down and called the Catholic chaplain and he intervened. Probably helped that the colonel was a deacon in his church. I am so grateful for the help and counsel he gave me. Despite this, as a retired teacher and still an atheist, I do not support chaplains in schools. This work should be done by trained professionals without a religious agenda. As Hemet said the military does train them to be counselors. Why didn’t I seek professional mental health help? It was available. Despite the stigma it carried then I would have. But at the time there was a policy that if you held a Top Secret security clearance and did that type of work in your job it would be suspended while in treatment. I don’t think it was an official regulation, but everyone knew you would basically lose your job if you sought help. Then you are stuck on casual duty and get all the scut jobs like picking up trash. I didn’t get help from the VA until several years after I was out and finally had a mental breakdown in college. there are not enough school counselors. In my district, in elementary school, there might be a counselor in your school 2 days a week. This is a big problem that needs addressing which is probably why religions are swooping in now, but they are most certainly not the answer.

[@gabrielamora6265]

So the chaplain was a man, was well connected and viewed as an authority figure despite not having any position of power in the army, so he was automatically respected, but according to them a female soldier was not deserving of respect.

[@EmpressNoriko]

@@gabrielamora6265 Oh he had some power. He was a commissioned officer, a captain. I’m not sure how many troops he had working for him, but probably about a dozen. But yes, most of his power and respect came from his religion. Fortunately he had enough power and influence to stop them from sending me to work after an 8 hour day of either interrogation or mind numbing and terrifying waiting. I was an E-4. He also got me access to free phone calls to my parents, meal breaks and stopped some of the general harassment that I got from male soldiers at the direction of other officers. I’d been calling collect from Korea and the bills were enormous. He also intervened when a high ranking NCO decided I should be sent to the DMZ (over 95% male troops) to finish my tour in Korea. I was transferred to Seoul. Nothing happened to the officer who assaulted me. Just a letter of reprimand that was gone from his file a month later (I had friends in admin). Also the investigating officer in my case was a man who had tried to “date” me in the past. To be clear officers are not supposed to date enlisted. I loved my job in the Army I was a Korean linguist and a codebreaker. I was very good at it and trained many soldiers including officers. I had intended to use my GI Bill to go to college then come back in as an officer. I had grown up as an Air Force brat. The military was all I knew. But these events plus the general air of hostility towards females made me semi insubordinate in my last 9 months and when I got out I never looked back. In Oakland as I was out processing I was offered a very generous reenlistment package. I told the guy in graphic detail what he could do with it.

[@Urzalyr]

I have the same problem with clergy in school as I do military recruiting in school - the risk of predation, though different in each’s end, is too great; to make it ever-present is feeding the beast.

[@mrbamfo5000]

Two different things. The military and the need to protect national interests and the people are real. Religion is make believe.

[@Urzalyr]

@ understand that I do differentiate the two; that one deals in physical violence as necessity and imminent doom from outside, and the other is the military. My comparison is only to point out what we wouldn’t want to happen to our children at a facility payed for by taxes and meant to educate and never indoctrinate. By allowing either of these entities access to schools, the risk of exploiting children becomes greater. Autonomy, even in children, is paramount.

[@gabrielamora6265]

And more importantly, like my father taught me, children cannot consent, so they cannot make informed permanent decisions, like getting married, signing up to the military, or making long term commitments of membership in religious organizations whose teachings they don’t yet understand, such as baptism, communion or confirmation.

[@Urzalyr]

@@gabrielamora6265 agreed. Perpetual informed consent from a cogent individual is universally necessary.

[@lazyperfectionist3978]

@@mrbamfo5000 - problem with this argument is the fact those "national interests" somehow often _magically_ happen to coincide with the wants of oil conglomerates and weapons dealers + manufacturers, bribing kids from poorer families who are at risk of predatory student loans once they leave for college/university with the promises of cheaper tertiary education in exchange for service

[@AegixDrakan]

Oh my nonexistent gods, I can't stand this "Shove religion on everyone, if you don't agree, you're insane" attitude. :( Instead of following actual best practices that are shown to lead to improvements in mental health, they insist on forcing their restrictive and hurtful ideology. :(

[@joycej9415]

Exactly! I think a lot of suicides would be from having a pastor tell a young person they will go to hell unless they are straight.

[@christopheferraux2864]

in my country in France there are no more religious people in the schools since the separation of church and state which dates from 1905 and there has been no increase in mental illness over the last 120 years Ps I use Google translate to write in English sorry if there are any translation errors

[@HotBaraDad666]

Isn't France also going a little overboard though? As far as I know, there isn't so much freedom of religion as it is freedom FROM religion.

[@DustinLaGriza]

@@HotBaraDad666 There are Catholic schools. And more to the OP's point, there's no religion in Japanese schools and they seem to be doing OK as well

[@dark14life]

@@HotBaraDad666 we have the same thing here. You're free to be religious and I'm free to not listen to your BS. That's how it works.

[@HotBaraDad666]

@@DustinLaGriza Oh, in schools? Yeah, I agree there should be no religion, unless it's done in a sort of clinical setting, like history and such.

[@mrbamfo5000]

You did fine

[@Hi_Im_Akward]

The whole "woke" thing kills me. There is nothing scientific about using an "insult" they assign other people and slapping a percentage on it. So dumb.

[@chillnophone2024]

Woke = We know better.

[@erik_the_red-t5x]

I'm sure he has the data that 90% are woke though.. pulled directly from where the good lord doesn't shine..

[@KyleSmith-qt9sg]

Misappropriated by the reich wing. Only morons think it's an insult.

[@georgesheffield1580]

These " chaplines " are the ones that need to be in the loonie house .

[@DrachenGothik666]

*Chaplains

[@cybergiggle219]

I was a Chaplain Assistant in the Air Force. This stuff is seriously annoying me. I don't know how it works in the civilian world, but in the military chaplains aren't a replacement for psychological/psychiatric personnel. The military has all those positions filled/covered, and uses them as necessary.

[@cybergiggle219]

This is laughable. I used to be in the NAR movement. It looked to me like there were a lot of undiagnosed mental health issues with people, and I started viewing it that way after I finally went to a doctor and accepted medication for mine.

[@Ulford]

AI Bot.

[@cybergiggle219]

@@Ulford what do you mean?

[@Ulford]

@@cybergiggle219 Your post looks just like an answer from an IA. If I'm wrong, Im sorry.

[@manarcabrera2528]

He has no idea what the meaning of woke is.

[@DustinLaGriza]

"94% are aware of systemic racism" and that causes mental disease how?

[@MrWyzdum]

That's because it doesn't mean anything anymore.

[@MrWyzdum]

That's because it doesn't mean anything anymore.

[@kjmav10135]

I was an actual chaplain in hospitals. Trained. Chaplain. As a chaplain, your job is to listen and support. That’s it. A real chaplain does not push religion. I was United Church of Christ myself. I listened to and supported jehovah’s witnesses, atheists, gypsies, wiccans, muslims, jews-from orthodox to reform, every stripe of christian, UUs, atheists-everybody. A real chaplain is trained in the basics of many, many spiritual persuasions in order to help people through the worst times in their lives. I defended. a jehovah’s witnesses right to not have a blood transfusion. I’m helped gypsies find hospital space for their families in the event of a death-because often the whole extended family will come over to the hospital to mourn. I have called superior officers for a sailor whose wife had a fetal death, and whose superiors refused to believe it.I stood next to an atheist family as their preschooler died. Depending on how busy the hospital is, the chaplain can spend the whole night sitting with a family member whose loved one is dying (if they want you there, of course!) Nobody else on the hospital staff can do that. A trained chaplain does NOT proselytize. They listen. They support. They have training in world religions, crisis reactions, mourning, special needs patients and family members. This Rocky guy is full of shit.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

sorry but religion is the problem, christians are not nice people, they will always choose god over YOU. you won't be telling god he is wrong to throw me in the pit of fire will you, i expect excuses but you'll always side with god - when was the last time you told god that we humans have rights and he ought to leave us be? never.

[@gmansard641]

Sounds like the chaplains I knew in the Navy. Great guys, there to help you. Didn't go into religion unless you wanted to.

[@georgesheffield1580]

BUT, these so called bullies have no discipline .

[@HotBaraDad666]

​@@HarryNicNicholasI don't want to defend Christians but seeing how much hatred you have for them, you give me no choice. I understand that Christianity has a lot of powerful people who are using religion as a tool for control. But you must realize that Christians who follow such people are VICTIMS in this. They are being told what to believe, not seeing how instead they should be looking into themselves and/or actually speak with God on such matters. They are blinded by their superiors. Yet, instead of attacking those who weaponize faith against others, you are attacking those who are the victims of this. This doesn't mean you shouldn't defend from individuals, but I hope you have more understanding for not just Christians but really anyone who's religious.

[@kjmav10135]

@@georgesheffield1580 Again, the school “chaplains” they’re talking about are NOT actually chaplains. It infuriates me that they are taking a useful profession and making a mockery of it. But, then, evangelicals exist to make a mockery of everything.

[@Mike-again]

Maybe Rocky could be chaplain for a Beautician Academy: he could help with hints about hair tints.

[@richardcraniumXLVII]

I still say that pic of him looks more like a wanted poster for a child molester

[@phillipwilliams2069]

Dear Mr Malloy, As long there are tests, there will always be prayer in schools.

[@damianjblack]

As in, "Oh god, not another test?"

[@car3700]

What about parents who don't raise thier kids with religion?? It's not fair to some of us who don't practice religion in any way

[@1_John_2_27]

You know what's always been so annoying to me? Them praying in public schools or anywhere public, even though God through Christ made it very clear that they should go and pray in private/secret!!! Matthew 6:5-6 “And when you pray, do not be like the religious hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in places of worship and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. Guess that verse flew right over their heads. I can walk in a public store/school and be in full prayer mode from the room that's within me, and guess what? No one around me would ever suspect that I'm in full prayer/worship mode, because I would not make any of it visible on my exterior. They truly lost all meaning of "worship in Spirit and Truth" They want everyone to see them with their flesh eyes closed and their fleshly hands up in the air, putting on the prayer performance and/or they want to show everyone how they're on their fleshly knees praying.. how embarrassing.. even God is disgusted at their misinterpretation of EVERYTHING Christ actually said/meant.

[@williamgreenfield9991]

Thanks for your post. I am an atheist, but I respect any Christian who pays attention to the Bible passages you mention. I read the Bible. My favorite passage is when Jesus says, "Whatsoever you do to the least of these my brethren, you do to me". That's deep.

[@poisonarrow658]

Funny he says that, but if you go to a hospice you'll see a whole bunch of people delusional about being "chosen by god", being prophets and sometimes being the christian god themselves. 😅 Make it make sense!

[@wffarrell]

Of course, these religious zealots never mention career guidance which is a large part of a counselor's job.

[@brandonwoods9930]

Sounds like Lisa Miller has a lawsuit against Rocky Malloy

[@72carguy]

“The peer-reviewed journal that is his own a$$.” Hahaha….that was awesome! Thank you for keeping your eye on all of this bullsh*t and pushing back.

[@tomsenior7405]

If only we knew the religion of Dr Lisa Miller.

[@Tess-k4o]

Why would they want patriarchal misogyny in schools

[@allonszenfantsjones]

I got visited in the hospital by both the christian chaplain and our local rabbi. Frankly I appreciated both. All I needed was somebody to hold my hand for a minute. In a situation at a school where there's something truly intense going on, the response should be correlated. Not rocket science. Sometimes you need a band aid, sometimes you need surgery. This is not a one size fits all. And yes, in schools I fear it all comes back down to budget.

[@MrPerson12345678910]

I'm one hundred percent atheist, but I am ordained.

[@gabrielamora6265]

The idea that most people who have a religion designed around proselytizing and whose religion commands them to spread their influence in order to “save” people’s souls are going to simply going to be self disciplined enough not to proselytize when they view their god as a higher authority than any human authority is ridiculous and has been disproven in practice an endless amount of times, in schools and hospitals, and counselors offices by teachers, chaplains and all sorts of religious “counselors”, some with actual training in the field of psychology, but most of whom think that their belief in religion somehow gives them the authority to tell other people how to live their lives. When my father died there were a bunch of religious people who tried to take advantage of my grief to recruit me and brainwash me. Thankfully, I was distraught but not gullible. If he had died at a hospital I would have been furious that the hospital gave access to a religious propagandist so that they could take advantage of the situation. That’s what religious people do, they seek people who are going through difficulties and try to weaponize their situation as a recruitment tool.

[@bethscreations4704]

I am a member of a religion. However, both my religion and I strongly believe in therapists. I will go to a therapist for therapy. As wonderful as my religious leaders are, they are NOT therapists.

[@JMcMac4t]

Ok… well after the church as a collective begin to imprison faith leaders who are found guilty of s/an instead of paying out say over 800,000,000 as did the Archdiocese of LA recently did. Otherwise the pastors need complete and thorough background and police checks as well as counseling degrees….

[@GelgoogJ]

We need spiritual care! Please pass the collection plate.

[@sandcurves]

I had to smile at the 94% "woke" stat.

[@RetiredVet1]

I agree totally with the chaplain. As long as you remove the word NOT from the sentence.

[@allandill2033]

3:54 every unit in the military has a member of the chaplain corps. And you NEVER hear about soldier suicide /s

[@elmolewis9123]

Based on this guy, I would say he proves the EXACT OPPOSITE of what he says, assuming he had Christians teaching him.

[@ruthiesea]

I looked at the NSCA web site. There an online form for submitting question. However it asks for address and phone number. Although Christianity is not mentioned I wanted to ask if they train people of all religions to be counselors?

[@9Johnny8]

"According to national data I have, 94% of 'm are woke" Ah, yes, 'woke'. That clearly defined, official designation that's definitely tracked nationally. Note especially how he said 'national data' and not 'federal data', implying but explicitly _not_ stating it's tracked by an official agency. The answer to "There aren't enough qualified people for this job" is _never_ "Put unqualified people on the job".

[@W3RK1Nit]

Christians breaching the 9th commandment. Yawn.

[@GaryNac]

National school chaplain association.At least they're pretty self explanatory and clear with what they want to do when it comes to that name

[@viralnorn9173]

This has got to be illegal. There is a company Chaplin at my son's workplace.

[@DrachenGothik666]

*Chaplain

[@MrMarcusIndia]

​@@DrachenGothik666 A company Chaplin sounds fricking great. I'm going to campaign for one at my workplace ;)

[@stylesrj]

@@MrMarcusIndia A Chaplain of Chaplin!

[@RichWoods23]

I would be wondering how much of his product Rocky sampled in his former life if I didn't know that there are also deeply religious people who've never taken anything stronger than aspirin who believe the anti-scientific nonsense that he believes.

[@Tvaikah]

4:05 I could grant that a lack of spiritual care causes problems, given that quite a lot of spirituality is really just dressed-up philosophy and moral tales, both useful things...But theocratic pressing into a singular system to the exclusion of all others (10 commandments, 'prayer in schools', the Bible...) as a form of deliberate cult indoctrination is very fucking poor spiritual care so it wouldn't even do any good. Correct spiritual care would be exposure to the options - from atheism to monotheism in all its forms to all the various polytheisms (henotheism, kathenotheism...), Western spiritual notions, Eastern ones, atheistic but still 'spiritual' stuff (occult traditions, basic Buddhism, etc.) - and learning about each beyond the bare lip-service surface to actually enable people to think and form cohesive ideas about it all. And even just focusing on Christian spiritual care, 'prayer in schools' is not it, chief. How many Christians even know about the apocrypha, let alone have read or contemplated any of it? The gnostic branches? Yahwism, the polytheistic pantheon preceding even Judaism, where Yahweh was just a storm god or whatever, had a wife and wasn't even the top guy? The human councils that compiled the Biblical canon? The different versions of Bible? Translation nuances, even errors? The text sources preceding the Testaments? The secular philosophies like cynicism and stoicism Jesus was ripping off and repackaging to preach all his 'Greed bad, love people, yada yada' stuff? The fact that his apocalypse prediction timeline came and went and fuck all happened? The fact he never even fulfilled the messiah stuff so the 'second coming' was invented to dodge the probability he was just some fraud? Chalcedonian Christianity VS. Non-Chalcedonian? Nicene Christianity VS. Non? The varying Christologies - adoptionism, maiphysitism, monophsitism, diophysitism?? So many Christians wouldn't even know that word, Christology, because their 'spiritual care' is utterly basic and not even real care; How many Christians even just attend the nearest church without any thought to whether it's Baptist or Methodist or Pentacostal...The majority don't know or care at any meaningful depth. They're not even 'lukewarm Christians'. They're fucking frigid-cold. I'm deeply opposed to Christianity not even for any hardline atheistic reasons but for moral and philosophical ones and yet I am a greater Christian than most because the spiritual care of them is so fucking paltry. It's embarrassing how hard the theocrats push while being so utterly ignorant and shallow regarding the very thing they think should dictate society.

[@ulyseslozano5389]

That “she told me” without proving any evidence of her actual words is just like what he did. That is not really journalism. I really like your content, please upload a newt version of this with her actual words printed or recorded or something similar, so this guy gets even more humiliated for his stupidity.

[@SylviaRustyFae]

2:00 Not the exact same, theirs wasnt a chaplain, but on the whole parents sendin kids to professionals who are antigay or otherwise bigoted towards the kids... A friend of mine had a recent second interaction with the "therapist" their parents sent them to who was tryin to ferret out if they were gay so that they cud try to put a stop to that This friend saw that doc as a teen a little over a decade ago and recently had to see the same doc by happenstance as the doc they normally see was out of the office - and you know they shoved their openly loudly happily proudly queer self in that bigots face; made the doc feel super awkward by remindin them of their last meetin before this

[@resourcedragon]

3:18 Take a good look at Rocky Malloy. Is that a man you would want anywhere near children?

[@tomsenior7405]

The truth doesn't matter when one is spreading the Lord's Truth.

[@johnburn8031]

Aka parting the Red Sea when she's on the rag! 😉😁😂

[@HotBaraDad666]

Whose? Because to me, Horus is my lord.

[@richardcraniumXLVII]

you mean "BS and LIES"

[@janetrose3929]

Where is god now?

[@richardcraniumXLVII]

She is on her way to a god's conference in the Andromeda Galaxy (Guest host is "Q" from Star Trek TNG)

[@davidwatches]

Let us know when you get some t-shirts and other merch that says "94% Woke."

[@richardcraniumXLVII]

Should that be "Awoke", "Awake", or "Not Asleep" ..

[@jeffsiegwart]

[@alanfite333]

Those who would renegotiate the boundaries between church and state must therefore answer a difficult question: why would we trade a system that has served us so well for one that served others so poorly. Sandra Day O’Connor