Christopher Hitchens Vs. Jay Richards FULL and FIXED

[@timtrainor9720]

Hitch completely owned all three of these guys, He knocked them on their ass, good show

[@DaveDennisonsecular]

Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day; Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.

[@RonJohn63]

+Dave Dennison The very existence of 6 billion religious people (plus your manifestly stupid comment about religion and intelligence, which was shot down by Hitchens himself) means that you need to think of some *much* better arguments.

[@Greanwold]

Good one!!

[@hauntboy]

@@DaveDennisonsecular Good point. The irony I find is that the vast majority of 'awake' people who are aware of this are 'asleep' when it comes to religious belief and god, ie they believe in it. Most 'conspiracy theorists' seem to be believers in god, while most atheists dismiss conspiracy theories in much the same way they do religion. I'm an atheist, but I'm well aware that the elite control the way the public think and act, in much the same way that religion controls its followers.

[@truthseeker134]

You can walk through Sodom and Gomorrah TODAY and pull sulfur right out of the walls. A total of 5 cities incinerated by God., with the land in between left alone. The evidence for the truth of the bible is EVERYWHERE. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laWqf5qabsRpp6s

[@at6686]

No, the believers will realize their god wants them to kill their neighbors and take their fish (and women of coarse).

[@maxxwellbeing9449]

I just play Hitchens while doing paperwork… what a great speaker. I love it how he completely dismantles religion time and time again. The impossibility of God is staggering…and Hitchens proves this fact with such ease, intelligence and grace. I’m so glad that we can still see and hear him anytime we like here on KZbin. The loss of this man was such a tragedy.

[@alanwilson8407]

Agreed. I don't know your politics,😡 but I wish he'd never become such a fan of Buckley.

[@maxxwellbeing9449]

@@alanwilson8407 Same here, I’m not much of a fan of his fondness for Marxism either…but I’m sure that he could speak about it and we’d listen just because he’s such a great speaker. Be well.

[@ENFPerspectives]

The impossibility without God is staggering.

[@maxxwellbeing9449]

@@ENFPerspectives Which one of the estimated 5000 Gods is it impossible to be without? Ahhh….don’t worry, yours is probably the right one. Which one do you believe in? I’m curious, how do you just simply throw logic, common sense and rational thinking to the wind… knowing full well that Billions of people believe in a totally different God than you do? Why is your’s the right one? Explain that to me would ya..

[@mrsmallpinky9041]

I bet Mr Hitchens wouldn't see his death as a tragedy;)

[@matsjonsson9492]

"The man had more wit and style and substance than a few civilizations I could name" - Sam Harris (about Hitchens)

[@Alan-71351]

Especially the phony Canadians. Their heretofore withering and shameful treatment of Indians is astonishing. Silence is golden to these "friendly phone's".😂

[@buddhistsympathizer1136]

Hitchens is absolutely ON FIRE in this debate

[@experienceofchris1108]

We he was born and popped out of his mom he grabbed a glass of whiskey and a good book and looked at the nurse and said “carry on dear”

[@princegobi5992]

Except when he said he belonged to the pro life community that’s embarrassing af, he wants to keep superstitious morality with his conservatism, but without the superstition, it’s just fascism.

[@musiclover9361]

​@@princegobi5992his pro-life position was a lot more nuanced than you would have us believe.

[@muellkoerbchen]

@princegobi5992: I consider your pro-abortion (?) comment as a completely miscap of what Hitchens said here. And, btw: there are „pro life“ guys on this planet who don‘t vote Conservative or are religious at all. Maybe you have never thought about this.

[@woodytheduke]

@@princegobi5992 as an atheist it is a good position to hold. To deny someone the right to have a life at all is tragic, I imagine the religious think these embryos just fly straight up to heaven after they are aborted. Having said all that I still am prochoice

[@user-ke4kz3in9j]

Ben Stein comes off as a snarky, ineloquent ass throughout this stellar Hitchens talk.

[@malkneil]

Not to mention that those two ding dongs (especially Stein) are supposed to be the moderators, when in fact they come across as unobjective Hitchens opponents.

[@TrippyKenpachi]

An ineloquent, unintelligent, condescending, and willfully obtuse jackass.

[@JeffWells-cw2sw]

Ugh -- Ben's surname is more appropriately "Slime."

[@Chronicbadminton]

Hitchens asked to debate Richards. He ended up debating Richard's and the entire panel, AND mopped the floor with all 3.

[@victormelendez9861]

You are so right, .mopped the floor he did

[@piezoification]

No actually he didn't - he deflected brilliantly and is dead on about religion but in no way did he undercut the theistic groundwork. Theology persists and the public face of it as maligned as it is by the natural and ethnic tyranny of of the status quo. i.e. religion, is the fundamental fuel of atheism. Atheism is bound to the superficiality that is religiosity confusing G-d with the history of 'faith' . Atheism could not exist otherwise. So the absurd notion that G-d emerges from the imagination as a creative act of ambitious albeit supremely ignorant and desperate pattern makers. CH loves ironically to refer to Spinozoa his very opposite because unlike Hitchens he does not project the template of a natural man's needs or temporality onto G-d . To do the latter would indeed have to solicit the disgust CH feels towards THAT concept of G- d.

[@pocketdust2450]

@@piezoification tf is "G-d"?

[@adriangeh6414]

All 3 are fully grown adults who actually believe in ancient fairy tales. Combined iq still below Hitchens.

[@FightXScience-wh6kx]

​@@piezoificationMosty a bunch of woo and a word salad. Being verbose isn't a sign of intelligence

[@Chase-qq9no]

Money; fame; power; intelligence. Watching Christopher Hitchens in this debate reinforces my conviction that intelligence is what I'd prefer most.

[@JosephNordenbrockartistraction]

Well put. I also prefer to use the basic scientific method of reasoning during my day to decide for myself what is moral and what is not.

[@danemount6113]

Religion is bullshit

[@BillieJolene1]

I so agree.

[@AECholakian]

I like money

[@migbham1]

@@AECholakian I'm with you. I like money, too, but it's because I'm intelligent. 😕

[@Pritalicious]

"I would say NO - FUCK you." My favourite moment from Christopher Hitchens, together with everything else I've ever seen of this titan of a man.

[@fredrickboltman7051]

😊.

[@Janet-cq8tw]

Mine was when he said Yes, I think Iam smarter than most Americans. And the polls agree!"

[@gingerbleug3831]

Someone tell all these bloody fools what a supreme privilege it was for them to have debated the great Hitch.

[@one1charlie643]

As soon as I saw Ben Stein I understood why Hitch was in a foul mood.

[@haywardjeblomey6505]

Bueller?

[@nellie360]

Christopher Hitchens. If ever there was a time his voice was needed, it is now.

[@ripdbtpoo1441]

Well, we won't get it.

[@Abolish_Religion]

​@ripdbtpoo1441 its been 8 years and 3 months yet still no one quite like him (that Ive come across)

[@daylinlott5723]

We know what he might say. It is up to us to act.

[@alicethrulookinglass]

also, now ~

[@MasonScandridge]

Wow! I can listen to Hitchens all day. He owns every debate in which he participates.

[@glennsimonsen8421]

He admitted he lost his debate with John Lennox. Give a listen!

[@paulhmull]

let it be known, Richards has just co authored a book on the "tryanny of experts", Hitch was right about him all those years ago.

[@victormelendez9861]

Richard's knows no science ,nothing to do with it

[@richhogg8074]

The funny thing about these philsophers is that they have absolutely no scientific understanding yet uncontrollably yearn for the validity it would provide

[@TMcCamby]

@@richhogg8074great point

[@davidjames9626]

Christopher Hitchens speaks logically and intelligently, it is a sad reflection on how much retrograde thinking is currently around that he has even to bother debating with such stupid fools..

[@johnharling5246]

I long for the breath of fresh ideas he would bring to the current "woke" ideology spreading the western world.

[@hellstorme]

Kept thinking that at any moment Ben Stein would jump up and take over the debate... It seemed like he really resented Hitch even existing.

[@subscriber77]

Anyone suffering from insomnia should listen to Jay Richards - the best sleeping pill ever.

[@richardgoodall8614]

You could apply that statement to all who try to defend fairy tales.

[@adriangeh6414]

Actually he completely fails there too.

[@DeusEx_Machina]

I would have loved to have met Hitchens, If only to be called an idiot by him.

[@yomilalgro]

🤣🤣 it would have been an honor for me

[@woodytheduke]

I wish I would of said that !

[@yannatoko9898]

*would "have", not would "of".

[@conniekampas7074]

Give it up Stein. You lose😂🤣

[@shounak0]

That "Voila!" at 1:03:58 and the brief stare to the audience after that... just classic!! What a man you were Hitch.. deeply missed!

[@Birdieupon]

Followed immediately by the admission that Hitchens is a Pro-Lifer... what do you make of that?

[@Jimmanheimer]

Mr Richard's thesis is anathema to science .God done dooed Dat

[@DonCutts-jb4ny]

Awestruck and inspired, as always, by Christopher Hitchen's words. Not sure how much the ego plays into the others, but they seem to amplify my theory: stupidity = stubborness.

[@kratosGOW]

1:03:15 - 1:03:40 One of the best response to christianity i've ever heard Hail, Hitchens lol

[@SecularWisdom]

I miss Christopher Hitchens, I wish he was still with us.

[@vincentk99143]

He still is brother :-) Offstage, my husband was an impossible act to follow. At home at one of the raucous, joyous, impromptu eight-hour dinners we often found ourselves hosting, where the table was so crammed with ambassadors, hacks, political dissidents, college students, and children that elbows were colliding and it was hard to find the space to put down a glass of wine, my husband would rise to give a toast that could go on for a stirring, spellbinding, hysterically funny 20 minutes of poetry and limerick reciting, a call to arms for a cause, and jokes. “How good it is to be us,” he would say in his perfect voice. Carol Blue, Christopher Hitchens widow

[@peterjohnson9722]

Vincent C. L.

[@Eric-xt8nd]

He is still with us. Learn from him and spread what you learn. And through us he is immortal.

[@dozer33268]

he's an idiot so are you the Earth is flat

[@robertlunn3678]

I want to express my wish Christopher was here. We need him now more than ever. Given the knowledge gained since this debate, the views expressed on design in this debate have been discounted, at least. I see his widow has responded in the comments. I was heartened to hear from her . I will continue to find him on KZbin and enjoy his quick mind and the way he applies it.

[@DaveDennisonsecular]

Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest

[@indie4life23]

"Chris I was just wondering" "Christopher please, I promised my mother, also it's my name" brilliant hitchslap

[@dgriff18]

Whoever let this Jay Richards guy debate Hitchens clearly didn't like him. He's no way near Hitchens league

[@yomilalgro]

He likes the sound of his own voice, meanwhile the genius word smith obliterates him on every subject to no avail to him 🤣🤣🤣

[@VesnaVK]

I think he knew it and was intimidated. ?

[@MizzouRah78]

What theist is? There's only so much one can say.

[@SonuSingh-sn8qg]

Christopher Hitchens- what a well spoken man

[@chaz9808]

wow did Richards just give the example of a perfect eclipse being proof for god? lol damn this guy has no idea what physics is i guess.

[@pfflyer3381]

Hitchens and the shoulders he stood on all came at the right time for us alive now.The debate is over. god is a business, nothing more .

[@EdwardCullen667]

This is beautiful 👏

[@Hacker_Baby]

Cheers to that 🍻

[@jdnlaw1974]

Agreed

[@stevebrown8368]

This

[@pfflyer3381]

@@stevebrown8368 from the deer hunter.... right? "This is This"!

[@AlienAmerican]

Thanks for this one. It is one of the rare ones I had not before seen.

[@TheJamesPope]

Thanks for re-syncing and sharing this, I can get by an out of sync debate, but this is just so much more enjoyable.

[@Peter-dr9ch]

“A Freudian slit” 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@dprague]

Hitches was the Bruce Lee of the Mind

[@zemorph42]

I thought that was Stephen Hawking.

[@hauntboy]

Jay Richards is the Eddie Edwards of logic and reason.

[@ZsuzsannaBudapest]

Hitchens has something rare stardust. Humor.

[@teknoaija1762]

Bruce Lee was a fake and an actor.He would die facing a UFC fighter.

[@TimTeatro]

As a scientist, I want to scream when I hear non-scientists debating science. I love Hitch, but his descriptions sometimes land short. But listening to theists abuse science and logic makes me want to scream! It's almost physically painful!

[@sadomoreno5829]

+Tim Teatro I'd like to know which scientific claims you thought Christopher fell short on. Indeed he is not a scientist (neither am I) but he is taking most of his findings straight from scientist. Richard Dawkins, Lawarence Kraus whom he does quote quite often.

[@TimTeatro]

Sado Moreno If you're super-curious about specifics, I can re-watch and document anything that makes me grind my teeth. But perhaps I can satisfy your curiosity with a general clarification. In paraphrasing what he's understood from Prof. Dawkins or Prof. Krauss, Christopher at times lost some of the precision with which scientists craft their prose. It grates slightly on the ear but still falls far ahead of being incorrect. I certainly didn't mean to suggest that Christopher's description of anything was a mere lesser of evils when compared to the factually-void scientifically semi-literate nonsense that comes from the other side.

[@dgriff18]

+Tim Teatro I know what you mean and agree to an extent, as a scientist myself. However, what is brilliant about Hitchens, that you don't see in William Lane Craig, Frank Turek and this Jay Richard fellow is the concession that he is not a scientist and isn't qualified to discuss these topics in depth. Watch either of Hitchens debates against Turek and you'll see that he concedes that he's not qualified. I think that concession in itself is in itself poetically scientific. RIP Hitch

[@TimTeatro]

Dan G Spot on, mate.

[@robertspence7766]

Agreed

[@yomilalgro]

Hitchens was a razor sharp wordsmith and genius. How i miss this man. This world is less without him😢

[@ronartest7748]

to bad he's in hell riding satan's hard meat and smelling righteous a nal st ink

[@garymorgan3314]

Thanks for putting this up, a treat. |Best wishes Gary

[@susansteinkraus2821]

Just like WLC, Richards never tells us how he gets from "The universe began to exist, therefore it has a cause, and that cause is a god", to "That cause is MY particular god".

[@ManuelGutierrez-zb5xm]

I've seen most Hitchens debates, that is probably the best introduction I have ever seen.

[@annalyon8443]

Mr. Hitchslap, for your patience and diligence in bringing to us this episode of Hitch, we all thank you. Well, I see above, at this time, 866 of us do, at any rate. Myself included.

[@shredomatic9441]

This debate is absolutely fantastic! Can't get enough.

[@santanalz]

It seriously pains me that I cannot share a bottle of scotch with Mr. Hitchens.

[@alanwilson8407]

Yeah, talking with one of the smartest MF'S ever to stride Earth, a good idea would be to get drunk.

[@starboy1100]

What a wonderful thought. But I think were I to be given the chance I would be shrinking and running away in awe of this mans intellect. I don’t think I could last 3 minutes in conversation.

[@MarjorainMD]

@@starboy1100Same here, wish I could have given him a hug and tell him everything he’s done to help me and my family think for ourselves..Love this man, wish he could have toned down his smoking habit. Terrible loss to freethinkers everywhere.

[@markrymanowski719]

Read a bio on him with all your heart mind and soul. He'll turn up in your dreams. He turned up in mine. He was laughing his head off!!!

[@ozymandias6743]

Johnnie Walker Black with some Perrier... that was his drink

[@Kratos40595]

Poor Jay got his ass handed to him here

[@geoffcrumblin9850]

Yet brave enough to pick up the gauntlet.

[@woodytheduke]

@@geoffcrumblin9850 brave or stupid?Sorry I have to go with stupid!

[@DaveDennisonsecular]

You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say that we are the ones that need help?

[@ethansutton9560]

Dave Dennison You sir are a man who has not abandoned reason for absurdity. This is encouraging ,thank you.

[@DaveDennisonsecular]

Ethan Sutton You are welcome!

[@yomilalgro]

Exactly

[@illusionz9053]

Huge thanks to whoever invited Ben Stein, always nice to have an arrogant simpleton humiliating himself unintentionally. Don't threaten me with a good time.

[@ozymandias6743]

Dude was the valedictorian of Yale Law School... But go ahead and call him a simpleton.

[@JosephNordenbrockartistraction]

Hitchens was a historian above all other titles he earned. He studied science history, Social and political history and above all the history of religions around the world. His job as a journalist allowed him to travel around the world to seek the actual truth the general popular media would censor due to political and clerical pressures. History should be studied thoroughly from various sources to avoid repeating the same mistakes.

[@victormelendez9861]

Joseph you are the when speaking about journalism they get actual experience. One reason why administrators are always trying to keep them out

[@mannie7028]

Hello. I realise it’s been some years since your post. I’m trying unsuccessfully to find an unbiased history of Israel. Can you make a recommendation please. Hitchens on you tube talks about Iraq, Iran in which there are overlaps relating to Israel and Palestine but I cannot find anything definitive. I can read about orthodox rabbis opinions or the victorians trying a solution etc resulting in the current borders. Nothing I’ve read satisfies as it is all biased to the writer. Can you help? Thank you.

[@JosephNordenbrockartistraction]

@@mannie7028 I could tell you right away if I had a memory for every book I ever read like Hitchens. and I too am slow at looking up things, names and subjects that are important to me online. Hitchens gave book suggestions during his many video taped debates and lectures. Just take the time to watch Hitchens videos. Still I'm glad to be the person a am although unhelpful in some cases. Don't be lazy if you actually do want something bad enough like being on time for work takes energy and hustle.

[@MarjorainMD]

@@JosephNordenbrockartistraction100% with you Joseph! I got lucky and discovered him on C-Span in the mid 80s since then I’m proud to have read every single one of his works (books, not Vanity Fair) the which I proudly display in my home library, this word (special) may have different connotations to many, but yes, this man was special.

[@Jordan-jn2me]

He's debating all fucking three of them at the same time. Each one of them challenged him multiple times and he just kept going. The supposed moderators were just bullpen relief when the starting pitcher blew his arm out in the 3rd inning. I've seen this dozens of times. It just shows the absolute weakness of the theist argument and I loathe that we even still have it.

[@woodytheduke]

read alot of comments and I can't find one saying Jay won the debate,,,he just got slaughtered ! Even the less gifted religious fools dare not suggest a victory

[@KillgoreTrout43]

Jay makes the very contradictory point that there can't be something from nothing, but when faced with the question, where did god come from he cops out and says god always was. That is an extremely illogical answer. That is the basic problem with theism.

[@davelanger]

If God can be infinite so can the universe. And if you believe in the muliverse then it is. And you don't need God for that.

[@mikekennedy5470]

When I had my first discussion with my 5 year old daughter about God her first question was but dad who made god ? 5 years old ?

[@oldtimer5111]

If it's morally wrong to kill children , why did God slaughter so many in the bible? Or is it ok for him , but we know it's wrong ,doesn't that mean we have far better moral code than God .

[@yoraging3532]

Bingo your on to something here

[@jonathanbeatrizmoni1]

It is NOT a competition. Human even animals can do the right thing for their own kind, without religion. God is what you want to believe ,it is your personal point of view . Religion spoil your freedom

[@jonathanbeatrizmoni1]

+ShadeyBladey :WE? speak for yourself!! and i have observe that you swear a lot,,perhaps you are not a kind lovable person. .God ,the one we wish to believe exist:is the great indifferent.

[@kzakaria91]

+Maribe Ugarte are you an atheist yet ? a month has passed already :)

[@jonathanbeatrizmoni1]

+khaled zakaria hello to you..whether I am or not it doesn't matter. We should all live without labeling on and other .just be happy,we will find when our time come up..Christopher Hitchens has find that out!

[@jmvm31]

one of the best hitchens debates!

[@joecoen958]

“In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded...” Terry Pratchett.

[@glennsimonsen8421]

Hitch claims it was the size of a baseball. Where'd the baseball come from, Cristopher?

[@spewter]

@@glennsimonsen8421 God put it there. But who put God there? No one put God there. He’s always been there. Why can’t the baseball have always been there? That would be silly. Etc. Etc.

[@GuineaPigDan]

Thank you for posting this. I was listening to Catholic Answers radio earlier today and one of the hosts, Al Kresta, interviewed Jay Richards about his new book on CS Lewis and scientism, and when I looked Richards up and saw that he had once debated Hitchens, I just had to check this out! I thought the Catholic Church had repudiated the Intelligent Design movement, so I found it kind of weird to hear a Discovery Institute person invited onto Catholic radio. Listening to this video, I see that Richards is just another ID shill using arguments that have already been refuted even by other Catholics like biologist Ken Miller. Catholic Answers must be growing pretty desperate to oppose "new atheists" if they're now sinking so low to start inviting people from the Discovery Institute to aid them.

[@daskalaka]

Thanks for the upload and your time in fixing it.

[@JohnConner0420]

I second that notion! Ben Stein is nauseating

[@marknovelich5042]

Thank you so much for restoring this footage!

[@bdphilosophy]

Hitchens owns this one.

[@simonagrinberga6258]

...Christopher ...i miss your mind... genius ...

[@petermay1219]

Just the facts man, just the facts...

[@EyeOnGovernment]

Richards reminds me of the guy in contact who blows up the first launch site.

[@nateellenberger6043]

The part I remember from that movie is when Jody Foster is being driven to the launch site and the albino preacher (the guy who blew up the first launch) says ".....And these scientist....do you want them speaking to your God for you?" (....and then Jody Foster rolls her window up). That was a good movie!

[@rekunta]

Gary Busey and his offspring rules all!!

[@revo1974]

@@rekunta lol

[@shredomatic9441]

34:49. Ok nothing against this guys argument but how do u apply this statement to hate, war, famine, disease, the holocaust, jealousy, fear, anguish, etc. That's pretty far from love.

[@andreadiamond7115]

I miss Hitch so much ✌🏼❤️

[@daylinlott5723]

TY for this treasure. No biggie with the audio. Just gratitude.

[@atomgrounder857]

I swear if this blonde guy cut his hair he would look exactly like Turek

[@gt31m]

Ben Stein... famous for a bit part in an 80s movie. Had his own game show with Jimmy Kimmel. Tries to convince everyone that because he studied under Milton Friedman he is an economist. Uses that status as a springboard for entering any serious academic discussion. Releases a documentary about creationism titled, "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" which lives up to its name, and would actually be quite a good title for his biography. If not you could always use "Ben Stein: A Bad Joke."

[@jimbrooks3370]

Freudian Slit! Hilarious!

[@johns1625]

I never thought about that. The Sun and the Moon are the same size in the sky and one covers the other sometimes, so that means God sent himself to Earth to be tortured to death to forgive us for torturing him to death. It all makes perfect sense now!

[@trumanhw]

Riiight up until Jay avoided the young earth creationist question and deflected on to the ontological argument which in this case is nothing more than an argument from ignorance. Anyone in their right mind should be skeptical about the capacity to educate when they're too deluded to recognize the wishful thinking of religion despite the mountain of evidence supporting evolution by natural selection. PS, you KNOW it's propaganda whenever they say "teach darwinism."

[@jjrotogeek]

Hitchens is amazing in this. Love it!

[@HitchSolveEtCoagula]

Anyone else burst out luaghing when the guy mentioned Willaim Lane Craig as the leading Christian philospher?

[@wrathofainz]

Lmao, imagine Low Bar Bill being a leading philosopher.

[@bronwhitley4350]

I laugh when you refer to Hitchens as a leading atheist philosopher…so…

[@wrathofainz]

@@bronwhitley4350 He stopped leading ages ago when he died of cancer.

[@GayorgVonTrapp]

@@bronwhitley4350Does god speak to you Bron?

[@ATOK_]

It's pretty sad if he is the best they got

[@traviskline7600]

Why do theologians always have to say that their worldview is correct because it's the most hopeful?? So what if it's more hopeful...I want the truth...not to live a lie. Reality doesn't care about our hopes or dreams. It just IS. As humans we can accept that and make the most of our lives or we'll always be waiting for someone who's never going to come. And people naturally have morals. No God needed for that. Humans are social beings so we'll go by what's culturally accepted guidelines for the success of the species. Period. Atheists are mostly good people and Christians are mostly good people. But both can be moral regardless of belief.

[@Preservestlandry]

41:23 That's not the reason. You stop something from falling because you act on it with an unbalanced (superior) force, that's not violating the physical laws, that IS is First law of motion.

[@alekdaniels]

Working while listening to this. No time wasted. I love Hitch so much. He's long dead but his words live on.

[@Osvath97]

The summary of Jay Richards argument is: "Reality exists, therefore something akin to a very specific thing in the reality must have not been reality and then it must have done things that are found in reality so there would be a reality, otherwise reality would not be reality." Jay Richards is not worthy of the title: "Analytical Philosopher."

[@vanjavalavanja]

I hope this chairman learned how unwise it was to take jabs at Christopher Hitchens.

[@garys.1415]

"Oh come on" hahaha I miss Hitchens!

[@usgamechamp2323]

thanks for posting i enjoy all hitch slaps

[@donaldsmith7824]

Richards salad bar nearly exceeds Jordan Petersen by a tomato.

[@elainejohnson6955]

They ask Hitchens a question. Hitchens answers their questions and then they complain he isn't speaking about the topic.

[@dprague]

Ben Stein is nauseating

[@comanchio1976]

Chloroform in oratory

[@KillgoreTrout43]

comanchio1976 What did you expect? Car chases and explosions?

[@comanchio1976]

David Fahey Yes. I mistook him for the famous stunt driver and pyrotechnician of the same name. I feel like such an idiot, thank you for pointing out the error of my ways... Oh wise onlooker!

[@KillgoreTrout43]

comanchio, my apologies. I thought you were talking about the debate it's self. But clearly now, you were referring to Stein. Your comment was a bit vague.

[@comanchio1976]

I was replying to a comment about Ben Stein, I thought the subject matter was pretty obvious... But no problem :-)

[@markallen8022]

1:14:30 Jay claims we KNOW that the universe began to exist. But we DON'T KNOW that. He claims a LOT that he doesn't and cannot know. Hitchens makes so much more sense than Richards.

[@awworrell]

I love what the guy talking about theism said at around 16:30 - 17:50. He said "everyone knows that torturing children is wrong". It's ironic that his infinitely good being does just that but is still all loving.

[@elainepowell4654]

b24harman If you are referring to Noah's flood, get your facts straight... The human population had been corrupted by breeding with evil spirit creatures, resulting in hybrids called nephilim: *The fallen sons of God corrupted the earth with false doctrines by intermarrying with humans and thus teaching them their ways *God sent preachers to plead with the people to change their ways, but they would not repent. He therefore said told Noah that He would not always strive (diyn/plead/contend) with them (v 3) *God therefore said that He would reduce human lifespan from centuries to 120 years because there was great wickedness in the earth and people’s spirits were full of evil from their youth (v 5) *The people of the earth were corrupt (shachath/morally corrupt) - Gen 6: 11, 12) and there was violence in the earth (Gen 6: 11,13) Part of the corruption included the worship of idols, and the sacrifice and canabilism of multitudes of small children as well as adults. the nephilim even ate each other....The nephilim were giants. They ate everything... consuming all of the herds the produce of the fields, and wild animals. The nephilim were destroying creation, and all but Noah and his family worshipped them. Some of the grizzly details are on this string.....bear in mind, there are legends of giants in human history. ancientlosttreasures.yuku.com/topic/4663/Giants-Ate-Human-Flesh-drank-his-Blood Noah, and his family warned these (human) people for 100 years to repent or die. He was laughed at... I will speculate that perhaps by the time of the flood...all of the innocent children were already dead.

[@davelanger]

Elaine Powell God did kill all the first born children of Egypt. Id love you to explain that one away.

[@elainepowell4654]

davelanger The plagues set upon the people of Egypt, were relative to the gods of the land...demonstrating that God was the true God and that their gods were weak, ineffective, and false. 1. Turning the Nile to blood (Isis and Khmom) 2. Frogs (Heget) 3. Gnats (Set) 4. Flies (Re and Uatchit) 5. Death of livestock. (Hathor and Apis) 6. Boils (Sekmet and Sunu) 7. Hail (Nut and Set) 8. Locusts (Osiris) 9. Darkness (Re, Horus and Hathor) 10. Death of firstborn (Min and Isis as well as Pharaoh himself) After each plague, Moses begged Pharaoh to "let my people go" in each case, Pharaoh stubbornly refused. After 9 plagues, Moses demanded his people go free, or the 10th plague would come from Pharaoh's own lips.... Pharaoh threatened Moses, saying that he would kill all of the Hebrew first born.... By saying this, Pharaoh declared the next plague upon Egyptian citizens, having witnessed 9 plagues and knowing full well what would happen. The Hebrews put lambs blood on their door, causing the spirit to pass over their household and all within some Egyptian converts were saved by staying safe in Hebrew marked homes....thus "The Passover". Pharaoh had seen in the 9 preceding plagues and witnessed the power of God, and if he had only let the Hebrews go...the first born sons of Egypt, including Pharaoh's own son, would have been spared... . After the 10th plague, Pharaoh drove the Hebrews out of Egypt...there were also many Egyptian religious converts (and their children) leaving with the Hebrews... Please also keep in mind the Egyptian Pharaoh would routinely execute the first born sons of the Hebrew families to keep the population down... Moses (as a baby) was only saved by his mother who hid him in the reeds, He was found by Pharaoh's daughter and raised as her son ie, royalty. God created us all, and had the right to end the lives of the pagan Egyptians, including children. There will be a resurrection... including the hope for all in the grave to have eternal life, which is made possible by the blood of the Lamb of God, Jesus. Today, un-believers have the chance to repent and accept this gift as long as they draw breath and have heard the good news... Perhaps eternal life will be offerred to resurrected children who died before they could hear about Jesus. The whole story of the exodus and the parting of the Jordan is in the book of Exodus.. davelanger, you have just heard some of the good news...the rest is up to you. The first commandment given to Moses: "I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt have no other gods before me."

[@davelanger]

Right, so God sent all those plagues on man and that is a loving and caring God in what way? So God your God killed thousands of innocent children, killing innocent peoples food and water supplies just because some of the Pharaohs believed in other gods? LOL. So much for God giving us free will right? And I love how you say well Godhas the right to kill what he created. Again how is that a loving God? Its not.

[@tomast1323]

davelanger Haha its always easier for them to come up with 55 lines of an explanation or something rather than to admit the obvious. Lol.

[@crumpeteer6477]

I propose we forget about Jesus & resurrect 'Hitch'.

[@notthatdeep6771]

👏

[@racebannon5523]

This is like watching Tyson fight McEnroe. And his ball boy

[@SamWallaceIII]

I've been watching a lot of Hitchens debates the past couple days and this is definitely one of the better ones in my opinion... Even the antagonist (Richards) brings up interesting topics for once, which just reaffirms Hitch's extreme depth of knowledge in so many areas. So much BRILLIANCE!

[@bronwhitley4350]

Antagonist? Richards is the hero and truth teller in this debate.

[@muhammedshafiq2049]

C. HITCHEN 'S every word/sentence so easy to understand,makes sense,logical.J.RICHARDS on the other hand,very difficult to understand,what he is trying to say .PENZIAC never said it went to zero,because it is not allowed by the laws of physics(i forgot the scientists name),universe bounced back before it reached zero.sigularity is not zero.

[@darkprose]

This is a good debate, by the way, thank you for uploading it and your attention to the sound, too.

[@neorich59]

It always fascinates me when I watch these debates about the existence of God, just why nobody ever seems to ask about, or discuss what's the point of the *rest* of the Universe? Why is it there? If God made it and us, why is there a need for such a massive "construction?" Couldn't he have just built a place for us to live in which would've taken up far less space? :O) And, if, in the case of "Christianity," Jesus is the "only begotten Son of God," what about life on other planets? Do *they* not get any of God's attention, or their own version of the "Holy Bible/Koran," etc? Or, are they simply "hell bound," like the rest of us non-believers merely because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, let alone the wrong eon?

[@sandwitht6264]

+Wild Heart point beautifully made!

[@evanmechify]

+Wild Heart Ah, to allow for those with faith to maintain a sense of awe and wonder and attribute this not to a human feeling/emotion/material-neurological-outcome but instead to God (Very astute point, sir!)

[@RealRoknRollr3108]

+Wild Heart Very good point!

[@reasonrally6658]

+Wild Heart God needed to create trillions and trillions of universes including ours to tell me not to lust at a beautiful woman's body? This is the epitome of stupid? You made a great point? But creationists will answer that with yet more ignorance? Thank you!

[@neorich59]

+anthony spencer The only thing you could do that's "worse" than lust at a beautiful woman's body is to lust at a beautiful man's body! These people are obsessed by this one, almost to the exclusion of everything else, in spite of all the other, one would imagine, more pressing things the Lord has to worry about, like whether you should have a beard, or not? :O))

[@colorlesscircle5743]

After having seen/listened to dozens, if not hundreds of hours of mr. Hitchens debating various kinds of religious people, I think it is time for me to find a way to watch the ones I haven't yet seen by skipping every faith-preacher. I have not once heard anything I can learn from because it all comes back to one book which they read in their own language, and yet it was written in another and translated dozens of times. It even went through hands of rulers who changed it as they pleased. Literal word of god? Is it, though? Millions of books were written by scientists who devoted their lives to trying to understand where everything came from, by studying the unchanging laws of nature we live in. We haven't even researched our own planet yet. We don't know what's on the bottom of our oceans in the most part (95%). Do you understand that with today's technology, it would take us around 4.200.000 years to reach the second closest star to our planet, Proxima Centauri? There are around 400.000.000.000 stars in our galaxy, the Milky Way. Then there are around 400.000.000.000 galaxies we have managed to observe with our technology. All of them having that many stars approximately, all of those stars having their planetary systems, most of those planets having moons. We know nothing, and yet there are ways to find out. Very difficult ways, but ways nonetheless. In contrast you want me to believe that some inarticulate, mystical, vague book that is two thousand years old has managed to describe our existence better simply because it claims there is a creator? There may be, considering how big the universe is, but that creator isn't no Jesus or Mohammad or Moses or Allah. Even if it is, all of them let all this destruction, death, misery, disaster, and evil exist around us while we are helpless. What can I do to help Ukraine? What can I do to help prevent a hurricane or an earthquake from killing whole cities? What kind of gods are those? Fk them. They are evil. If you are going around going "good deeds" to score points for that god so he'd view you as one of his boys and give you a better life after this one, you are the definition of evil. Egocentric and narcissistic evil that only thinks of themselves, and is incapable of considering other people's feelings. You lack what it takes to be part of an advanced society, empathy. When our technology advances enough so we can enclose our sun in a swarm of solar panels, to utilize most of the energy it is emitting, and connect that energy source to a computing device with the goal of simulating a reality, we will be able to render something as real as our own lives. That's right, you and I might just be simulations. We are ridiculously incompetent in understanding the universe because of how complex it is. Just like we were ridiculously incompetent to understand electricity 200 years ago. And gravity 500 years ago. And maths 10.000 years ago. But we change and learn. What happened before the big bang? How to see beyond the speed of light? How to even leave our own tiny solar system? We can't even reach Mars, we are noobs in this intergalactic game. We aren't intergalactic. We aren't even galactic. We are not even god damn planetary yet. We are stationary. Shut up about god. You are wrong. We don't know yet. Either join the people trying to find out, or go pick up beekeeping or something like that. Just stop making others as stupid as yourself.

[@Brale-ot6kz]

turns out jay doesnt understand gravity..

[@DaveDennisonsecular]

No philosophy, no religion, has ever brought so glad a message to the world as this good news of Atheism.

[@pierrec1590]

"...everything that begins to exist must have a cause for its existence." This is not true, and even if it was, there is no reason to believe the cause would be a divinity.

[@VesnaVK]

It's called the Kalam Cosmological Argument for the existence of God. But it's really just the fallacy of special pleading.

[@no-oneman.4140]

December the 15th 2011 - the day the world became a much dumber place. For the life of me I just cannot even begin to understand how some people can be so gullible. Must be something to do with our wiring.

[@DaveDennisonsecular]

The world holds two classes of men - intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence.

[@vliegendehollander55]

+Dean Meadows Not possible..! And its proven.

[@TrevorLentz]

+Dean Meadows he is "intelligent" from the well read perspective. However, he is either dillusional or a liar who understands that what he plays to a very specific audience...

[@DaveDennisonsecular]

Trevor Lentz Correct!

[@RonJohn63]

+Trevor Lentz Interestingly, you *can* at the name time be intelligent and believe in specific delusions. Hitchens specifically mentions the froo frah that Newton, Priestly & Henslow (geniuses all) believed in. Thus, Dennison's idiocy is manifestly disproved.

[@DaveDennisonsecular]

RonJohn63 I have never said that geniuses couldn't be delusional and religious. Many great people have been religious. The mind can be partitioned and fallacious beliefs can be taken on board and believed until facts replace them.

[@Grimmibo]

What a terrible performance by the moderator! This should be titled 'Christopher Hitchens Vs. Jay Richards and Ben Stein'.

[@Kramer-tt32]

Man.. religious people did not like Christopher Hitchens

[@GayorgVonTrapp]

Its only men that call them laws. The universe doesn’t offer a name for its behaviour or properties. They are just human observations of repetition and pattern. We own the description.

[@FightXScience-wh6kx]

And what relevance does your nominalism have upon the veracity of the claims made?

[@GayorgVonTrapp]

@@FightXScience-wh6kx I would suggest there is no veracity in the claims. It is inaccurate to suggest that the ‘laws’ that mankind has observed have their origin in anything other than natural causes.

[@FightXScience-wh6kx]

@@GayorgVonTrapp But why does the labeling matter when it describes the same phenomena? If we calls them laws or not, it matters not

[@GayorgVonTrapp]

@@FightXScience-wh6kx But it’s the attributing of the law to some intelligent origin that strays into dodgy territory. The word itself has different connotations. I prefer the word ‘patterns’. They are just what they are, and they exhibit repetition. That’s all.

[@DaveDennisonsecular]

I was disappointed that when the subject of "something can't come from nothing" was brought up, that Hitch never rebutted that assumption with this logic: Then where did (god) get the (something) that he used to make the physical things in the universe from, if in the beginning there was nothing in the universe? Where was god located in the universe before he created the physical matter that occupies the universe? And, how do theist know these things when no one can know these things? isn't it just conjecture and nothing more than creating a phantom god to answer questions that can't be rationally explained by science? The answer is, absolutely! There is absolutely zero evidence that any god ever existed. Theism is nothing more than a power structure to enslave the masses to justify moral authority over them for economic "empire building", pure and simple. The elite that create these phantom gods should be imprisoned without mercy, and the innocent subscribers to these religious cults should be pitied for their willingness to be enslaved by these charlatans of religions. Atheist should make every effort to expose these religious speculators tirelessly, incessantly, and relentlessly to remove this neural virus from the world before this bronze age ignorance destroys the planet in a nuclear age.

[@IndependentFckr]

+Dave Dennison Also we do not have a "nothing" to examine in which to see if a "something" could come from it. You're right that it is conjecture!

[@DaveDennisonsecular]

IndependentFckr Exactly! Thanks.

[@newnoggin2]

Because any rebuttal would be sophism at best. He is smarter than to fail for what you did.

[@BillieJolene1]

why does this Richards dude keep saying that no one is talking about the "evidence" meanwhile he isn't either BECAUSE THERE IS NONE. He's just desperatly reaching is what he's doing. He knows he's lost this debate and is clearly questining his own beliefs.

[@jdnlaw1974]

Someone call Ric Flair and let him know we found the guy who stole his hair.

[@alanwilson8407]

Drop the mic.

[@Viky.A.V.]

Just for the sake of the truth: Andromeda galaxy won't collide with Milky Way, they will merge peacefully and create a greater galaxy, because the distances between stars are too great for the stars to possibly collide ^^ Still, mr Hitchens was a brilliant person.

[@stubrechner590]

has there ever been a debater who thought, seriously, that he/she was going to be the first individual to embarrass hitch with the thought of and the verbal expression of...words?

[@dave_saves]

His wit is unmatched

[@smallsmalls3889]

Hitchens starts all debates with the same old crap.