Christopher Hitchens vs. Douglas Wilson Debate at Westminster
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@jamaalrichardson74375 жыл бұрын
Wilson's answer at 1:20:00 is essentially "Christian miracles are true because Christianity is true. Therefore because Christianity is true, Christian miracles are true, and I am a Christian."
@shecklesmack9563 Жыл бұрын
Christianity has had 2,000 years for intellectuals in suits to wax poetic and refine their arguments to sound reasonable to those who are primed to already agree with them, but at the end of the day if you listen to them long enough they always find themselves back to this vacuous axiom of their beliefs. Give Pastafarians 2,000 years to polish their satirical positions and you will have an equally credible epistemology. Wilson is championed as one of the best apologists, yet he will say with a straight face, “I believe it because it’s true.” Religion is doomed to empty tautologies.
@kasiar1540 Жыл бұрын
Clown logic
@kdbwiz6 ай бұрын
This is called “begging the question.” It’s true because it’s true.
@FishFish4314 ай бұрын
@@kdbwiz Not when it is an ultimate claim
@tyleranyways3 ай бұрын
And 56:25, I think
@tonylipsmire5918 Жыл бұрын
“Donkeys can always be arranged” is top tier Hitch
@polevaultkid238 жыл бұрын
Long winded introduction ends at 11:45
@jagotiberan21814 жыл бұрын
That was the longest fucking introduction I have ever seen
@cengizinceoglu26714 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the heads up 😉👍
@travro25254 жыл бұрын
I don't know if you are a Christian, or an atheist, or other; but you are a saint.
@Daniel_254 жыл бұрын
I agree. Blessed are timestampers
@sneakpeakhometoursinsouthf68304 жыл бұрын
Sheeeshhh
@Min-xm8tp5 жыл бұрын
One thing I'll say about Mr Wilson is that he agreed to forgo his closing statement as requested by Hitchens, other debates I've seen, some opponents do not agree to.
@migduh Жыл бұрын
“How can you be sure miracles are only true when they’re Calvinist?” Hammer blow. 😮💨
@willieschick73159 ай бұрын
“CaUsE ThEy HaPpEnEd” 😭😭
@LiveStoicism8 ай бұрын
Even worse, he says "Because *I BELIEVE* they happened." 🙄
@joecurran28116 ай бұрын
Timestamp?
@quinnpeterson27165 ай бұрын
@livestoicism only at first when hitchens cuts him off. He goes on to answer exactly why. He says it’s because the evidence and the eye witness testimonies leave him no choice but to believe. Which is what he meant by “they’re the ones I believe.”
@uganda_mn3974 ай бұрын
Really? This honestly wasn't too good.
@neilsailing8 жыл бұрын
Christopher Hitchens , one of the greats of the 20th and 21st centuries. I hope my early teenage American nephews, can get to listen to Chris on you tube..(got a Jesus loving, all American Mom)..so i am not very hopeful. ....although will try my best..
@quinnpeterson27165 ай бұрын
Lol gotta hate those Jesus lovers just a blight on society
@tomaszjaniszewski17145 жыл бұрын
debate starts at 11:52
@bradyperl2 жыл бұрын
Legend.
@heinz5711 жыл бұрын
No, Hitchens isn't being insulting as a means to an end, or as some rhetorical strategy. He's being genuine. It might come off as insulting, but only because there's no polite way to say to someone that they've dedicated their lives to a man-made fantasy.
@kasiar1540 Жыл бұрын
Even worse that dougie exploits and abuses based on fantasies
@joshcornell85108 ай бұрын
The only fantasy is believing that atheism can account for the necessary preconditions for intelligibility that make moral categories possible.
@joecurran28116 ай бұрын
@@joshcornell8510Cool story bro.
@sandakureva5 ай бұрын
Correct. It's not an ad-hominem if the insult is not the counterargument. You CAN insult someone to put them on the back foot in order to further expose their positions by breaking their composure.
@ASkepticalHumanOnYouTube8 жыл бұрын
While I'm sure others have pointed this out, the debate loops at a certain point and repeats probably a 15 minute section that it already played.
@jiawa59468 жыл бұрын
+A Skeptical Human Surprised to find that this is pointed out so far down in the comment board.
@Miimu52108 жыл бұрын
+A Skeptical Human I was listening to it, and although I noticed the loop, I loved listening to Hitchens fucking this guy up so I just let it play.
@larrysbrain16277 жыл бұрын
there's a zit on your noze and a mispelling in both. who cares?
@Alazair7 жыл бұрын
The loop starts at 59:25 and ends at 1:09:09 for those who would like to skip the repetition without searching around for the end of it.
@OldSchooledTV6 жыл бұрын
Scrolled down for this comment haha
@ritahogikyan8560 Жыл бұрын
Christopher Hitchens’ debates are Truly missed💜
@hispeed52 Жыл бұрын
misled buffoon, who is continuously contradicting himself.
@wizzopq5 ай бұрын
His debates are right here!
@koolaid252811 жыл бұрын
At least he is honest. Unlike the others who lose to the Hitch.
@theol648 ай бұрын
Hardly a loss. Wilson may only have been a victim of untaught obfuscation by Hitchens. Every address of scripture is fraught with ignorant bias.
@jonoessex9 жыл бұрын
This is a really intellectually stimulating debate.
@chrisolson9486 жыл бұрын
One of Hitchens' BEST quotes from this debate is at 1:47:57 : "As long as they don't call it modesty, I don't mind. As long as they don't call it humility, I don't mind. But, I don't like being told that my arguments aren't as good as his, because he has divine information that's withheld from me."
@alterrihenri1103 жыл бұрын
How is it that what this fizzing space dust says any different from the other fizzing space dust in a non absolute universe. Y’all (atheists) are self refuting yourselves.😂
@chrisolson9483 жыл бұрын
@@alterrihenri110 Since you were the one that brought it up, who gives a shit anyways? Besides, Why are you even attempting to argue about something I never mentioned in the first place? How about bothering someone else about it?
@akkalange63593 жыл бұрын
so he ADMITS it's information hidden from him....
@mrpropergander68003 жыл бұрын
@@alterrihenri110 Because there's no evidence of any kind to support a *"...God like fizzing space dust..."* there's nothing but a bunch of man made piffle full of contradictions but believed by the many gullible.
@mrovin112 жыл бұрын
@@alterrihenri110 That was a very poorly conceived post. You have a lot of studying to do before you debate atheists…
@nsrocker9911 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the upload! been looking for this one
@fljagfanPRIVATE8 жыл бұрын
Notice Wilson’s comment regarding the disciples “believing” Jesus had resurrected from the dead. He failed to mention that the APOSTLES never believed it UNTIL he APPEARED to them PROVING he had risen. Yet, we non-believers apparently aren’t worthy enough for him to PROVE it to us. We are required to BELIEVE a written account of a supernatural event that has never been witnessed in the history of mankind. Why should we be judged to ETERNAL torture for not believing when belief was never required for the apostles, Paul, Moses, Abraham, etc., etc.? Insanity.
@fljagfanPRIVATE8 жыл бұрын
+Paul Tamras So the apostles, Paul, the "more than 500 witnesses" were not blessed? What exactly does "blessed" mean?
@thenowchurch64197 жыл бұрын
fljagfan. Great point. Perhaps Paul Tamras' response was not a challenge but was just giving an example of the type of verses placed into the bible to keep the masses fooled.
@jonathangonzales91245 жыл бұрын
@@thenowchurch6419 because your lack of belief doesnt send you to hell. Your sin against the God you know exist, sends you to hell.
@thenowchurch64195 жыл бұрын
Jonathan. Get out of here with that presuppositional nonsense. Your thinking and doing things you know are wrong sends you to hell, not your "sin against the God you know exists". "With what measure you mete out, it shall be measured to you again."Mathew 7 vs 2. Knowing that there is right and wrong, is not the same as believing that God exists.
@TheClassicWorld5 жыл бұрын
Well, if they believe in the Bible in the 21st century, they are clearly delusional, ignorant, and/or amoral... Remember, the 'Bible' was verbal first. Then, it was written in parts in Hebrew. Then, 1,000 years later, the Roman Empire re-wrote it and added to it in Latin. Then, from 1604 to 1611 the fairly crude English edited it and re-wrote it in Middle English, and this is the book (King James' Bible) that mindless Christians follow today...
@CommanderDragonLily10 жыл бұрын
Though I think his views are ludicrous, I respect that Doug Wilson actually takes the Bible seriously. Which can't be said of most "moderate" Christians who try and tip toe around the immoral barbarism in the Bible.
@jvincent65482 жыл бұрын
It is not possible to 'respect' those who give the bible literal credence. One is not speaking the truth if one says so. It is rather like the 'respect' a priest might expect because he is given the title 'Reverend'. It is like accepting that a 'man of faith' has some kind of superiority. Does one respect flat-earthers? Or those who dive in Loch Ness in search for a monster? Or those who claim to have been abducted by aliens? Or astrologers? We indulge such people - we grant them their silly hobby and expect them to be harmless. Should we not treat Godists and Bible literalists in the same patronising manner? Should we not pat them on the head and think, "..forgive them, for they know not what they do..."?
@jvincent65482 жыл бұрын
It is rather like having respect for the convicted killer of a child because he admitted his quilt.
@jvincent65482 жыл бұрын
Do you respect the 'flat-earthers' who so earnestly cling to their insane belief? Do you respect the simpleton who has insufficient innate intelligence to understand that the six numbers, 1,2,3,4,5,6 are as equally likely to 'come-up' as any other combination of six numbers in the lottery? No, you would hold their intellect cheap; you would ridicule them. If I said that regardless of evidence to the contrary and without a mathical proof that two and two make five, you would think and say that I had lost my mind. And if I said further that I 'believe' it to be so, would you indulge me and offer me respect for being 'a man of faith'? No, you would think me insane; you ridicule them. One's faith confers no special protection from ridicule. A religion's antiquity nor it's popularity confers no privilege and no right not to be subjected to reason.
@id7442 жыл бұрын
@@jvincent6548 Interesting enough, the majority of those who claim human biology isn't real and boys can be girls and vice-versa are also atheist. Have fun working that out...
@dylandeloss6939 Жыл бұрын
@@jvincent6548 Depends on the quality of the quilt. We talkin about quality handmade shit here?
@kaunispaikka90297 жыл бұрын
what a loss! R.I.P Hitchens!
@janepatton81006 жыл бұрын
kaunis paikka Where is he now?
@HarryNicNicholas6 ай бұрын
@@janepatton8100 in MY afterlife i get to zoom around this universe and enjoy it cos i wouldn't wast my time in empty tombs or churches. the god i invented drinks vodka and watches pornhub with me. gods are imaginary. especially yours. not only that: er. everyone seems to assume satan is going to be horrid. if i go to hell then GOD is "punishing me" for my sins, but why would satan want to punish me too? satan hates christians. if i'm being punished by satan, then satan is doing god's work - that makes zero sense, hell is eternity having WAY MORE FUN than you ever could on earth, this is what god hates, god wants you to suck his toes for eternity, satan is SAVING you from singing amazing grace for eternity. hell is where satan thumbs his nose at god and gives everyone a good time, no mind control, no ten commandments to follow, just eternal life that you can probably quit if you get bored with learning guitar from hendrix or trying to grasp relativity from einstein. why would hell be undesirable? why would satan want to torment me - he hates god and christians, not sinners.
@AlexITheHomePageOf10 жыл бұрын
No one does closing statements better than Christopher Hitchens.
@patricknovak64719 жыл бұрын
If you like hitch watch him vs. Donahue
@UrbsDei216 ай бұрын
My favorite closing statement he ever made was where he admitted that he wouldn't get rid of Christianity if he had the power to, thereby admitting that it's good for the world.
@christopherwatts505511 жыл бұрын
Mortality is still only available on hardcopy and was $22.99, I am gald I got it, it is one of the most intense books I've ever read even though its very short due to his death. All I have to say as a Hitchens fan and anyone else who is reply to me if you want to know more about the book, but chapter 8 is just so deep that not only the words are profound but how its starts to take a different form in short spurts as in last throws of pain and death, but still grasping onto love that he cherished
@adsim1006 жыл бұрын
LOL "I'm not going to use evidence in this debate" wow he really said that.
@democratpro2 жыл бұрын
If you ignore God's word, then evidence is futile. Evidence is enormous, but won't fix your spiritual problem.
@woodytheduke2 жыл бұрын
@@democratpro evidence is futile??? Good one godboy!🤣🤣
@leftyshawenuph40262 жыл бұрын
@@democratpro Did that really make any sense to you when you said it in your head? I mean, you understand how debates work, right? You sound like a person who would read words of any religion's basic text and then say, "Sure. That makes sense".
@id7442 жыл бұрын
@@leftyshawenuph4026 I'd assume the point he was getting across is that evidence has no meaning or purpose. Just like an atheist worldview, meaningless and purposeless.
@juanjuan54692 жыл бұрын
@@id744 It seems to derive from the transcendental presuppositionalism method of apologetics. What Doug was trying to say is that from a godless atheistic worldview, ultimately speaking, evidence is meaningless unless you first have an ultimate basis for it. Presuppositionalists usually use this argument because they claim that in order to first argue for the need of evidence, your worldview need to make sense of it. They claim that unless you concede to the impossibility of the contrary when it comes to starting with God first, all you have left is your own reasoning to authenticate your own reasoning. Their alternative is that they claim that any knowledge is given through sense and authenticated by the God who's interpretation of reality is purely objective. If there is a presuppositionalist in the comments, please be indulgent with me if I somehow misrepresented your position. It is my understanding of the more Vantilian form of that philosophy which is present in Frame or Bahsnen.
@mef127275 жыл бұрын
I feel rich when I come across a Hitch debate for the first time.
@freethink23034 жыл бұрын
This is the first one I've watched so I'm about to be a very rich fellow
@joecurran28116 ай бұрын
@@freethink2303How many have you watched now?
@jamesboydriverАй бұрын
I'm just getting into him now! I must be a millionaire 😅😅
@jonathankafoure2 жыл бұрын
A wonderful exchange. Exemplary display of dialogue and disagreement with courtesy.
@TheJudgeandtheJury2 жыл бұрын
Great debate as always.
@jonathansutton8459 Жыл бұрын
Before Peterson and Harris… there was these two!
@aetiussecularus88913 жыл бұрын
As a Christian I miss Hitchens. Wish he was around for these days in 2021
@bluegtturbo3 жыл бұрын
God rest his soul.
@Charles.Wright3 жыл бұрын
@@bluegtturbo - how?
@johnwestcott56122 жыл бұрын
As a heavy smoker and drinker, the events of the last few years would have killed him anyway, I think.
@alexisjuillard48162 жыл бұрын
@@johnwestcott5612 why?
@alexisjuillard48162 жыл бұрын
@@johnwestcott5612 don't get it, as a heavy drug user sure it would have killed him at some point or rather drastically increase his likelihood of premature death. But what do the last few years have to kill a hitch? I think it's quite the opposite he would have thrived. He was the finest provoquateur, he was a human eye of the storm, always in the centre of the controversy often the orchestrator, he was a fighter and things like trump or quanon would have been his battlefield. He would have been at the forefront of the fight against extrémism and irrationality, it would not have been a blow weakening him if anything it would have been adding fuel to the hichfero
@danielhale110 жыл бұрын
59:25 seems to jump backward... why? Might be an error, not intentional -- sloppy editing or upload. It gets back on track around 1:09:00 or so, for those who are interested in skipping nearly 10 minutes of repeat.
@TheHSIHP11 ай бұрын
I wish Hitch was around for Trump.
@carl767410 ай бұрын
He wouldn't waste his time on a moron like tRump.
@samuelgeorge85242 жыл бұрын
Very good questions from the audience as well.
@afvro759 жыл бұрын
Nobody can argue with reason. I'm sure a fair amount of christians converted to agnosticism if not Atheism by the end of that debate. Christopher Hitchens was one of a kind. He is missed but I'm glad we have all your work, videos, interviews, etc..available to us and to continue to spread the message of truth, evidence-based beliefs and rationality.
@afvro757 жыл бұрын
SaintofYeshua777. You need to repent to me. I am your only god. The truth and the light happens only with me. You are my slave! Lol
@ethanmulvihill71775 ай бұрын
Lol you're so religious in your atheism. Doug's opening statement was never well addressed throughout the whole debate
@afvro755 ай бұрын
@@ethanmulvihill7177 I go by evidence unlike you people.
@astroza_science5 ай бұрын
what evidence do you have for reason? what reason do you have to go by evidence?
@afvro755 ай бұрын
@@astroza_science Reason (including the scientific method) looks at predictions and the evidence of those results. It also looks at confirmation for those results including peer review. It’s not perfect but it’s the most reliable method we have to reality and truth. If it fails, then science modifies too until it gets reliable results. There’s nothing like that with faith. Having faith on anything without proper evidence to support it is a great way to be wrong.
@tsuba1411 жыл бұрын
it's called empathy. Most humans have it. If they don't they are sociopathic.
@jasonangulo20029 жыл бұрын
Good debate well worth the view.
@isaacbarajas9779 Жыл бұрын
Love this debate!
@tolowokere9 ай бұрын
Dough Wilson saying that he would kill the Amalekites if he thought he were divinely commanded to do such a thing was really surprising.
@WilliamByronIs9 ай бұрын
And a good example of why Religion is terrifying.
@billbadson75988 ай бұрын
@@WilliamByronIs atheist communists killed 100,000,000 human beings in a single century because they thought they were on the right side of history. All humans are capable of killing for a cause they believe in.
@Artman18 ай бұрын
@@billbadson7598 Christians (and Muslims) have destroyed every civilisation they came upon. Even the Romans were the most powerful empire on earth before they became Christian and it all fell apart. The US is now doing the same thing.
@tommym3218 ай бұрын
@@billbadson7598Ah yes, the “atheist communists did XYZ so therefore….” The fallacious argument that just refuses to die.
@billbadson75988 ай бұрын
@@tommym321 It won't until the atheist communists stop being thousands of times more murderous than the faithful they're trying to convince you to fear.
@jordanjohnson94154 жыл бұрын
Great discussion.
@3dge--runner9 жыл бұрын
Hitch on top of his fucking game. the delusions and sheer childlike ignorance of wilson is astonishing. truly astonishing.
@ZachBroom8 жыл бұрын
Who am I? Oh stop it. Neither Hitchens nor Wilson are deluded, they just differ on metaphysics.
@arturomartes86968 жыл бұрын
***** No. They differ on physics. Basic science. What we objectively know and observe. The basic observables that are incontrovertible. Wilson refers to all findings of physics, chemistry, biology, and neuroscience as "mere matter in motion" and "time and chance happening on matter". As if those words can dismiss the scientific evidence that thought is based on the physical operation of neurons, and that without neurons, there is no thought. As if we dont observe the physical degradation of these neurons dont have a negative impact on cognitive function (alzheimers, brain damage) and therefore must be extraphysical. This is scientific ignorance at its basest level and cannot be taken as a serious intellectual position by anyone.
@ZachBroom8 жыл бұрын
Actually don't differ on the basics of science... not at all. They differ on over philosopher naturalism, or what is called metaphysical naturalism. Under philosopher naturalism (the bedrock of atheism), no free will (as current neuroscience strongly suggests), love is an illusionary darwinian mechanism to promote passing on genes, right and wrong are subjectively based on value judgments which can only be enforced by the majority that rules, and truth is not knowable since natural selection is not concerned at all with creatures having truth content so long as they reproduce successfully. I'd recommend Plantinga for a good explanation for why Philosopher Naturalism is a self-defeating world view - it essentially cuts it's own throat, and thus also proves atheism as an unlivable world view.
@arturomartes86968 жыл бұрын
***** thanks for the intro to platgina. On the surface his arguments seem flawed, as most arguments seem against naturalism in that it hinges on a descriptive estimate cannot be trusted and that there cannot be truthful without a belief or beholder. This is a classic mistake but I'll dig deeper into his work.
@ZachBroom8 жыл бұрын
Arturo Martes Sounds good. If you read actual atheist philosophers, and not just the talking point atheists, you'll see that they have a high view of theism compared to the new atheists - Nietzsche especially. Most philosophers agree that this is because they don't really grasp how complicated metaphysics is, so they just belittle and degrade since that's easier and unfortunately the public eats it up since they don't know any better. On the atheist side, I'd highly recommend Erik Wielenberg - Value and Virtue in a godless universe. I've exchanged back and forth myself with Erik, and he's one of the best living atheist philosopher I've come across. Obviously as a theist I ultimately disagree with him, but he does a good job of explaining that both theism and atheism rest on unprovable beliefs - axioms, brute facts, presuppositions. In my book I'm just about finished writing on metaethics, I source him quite a bit. I'd say he's a philosopher version of Sam Harris. Don't get me wrong, Harris is alright on some things, he's not all bad, but in his book on metaethics he completely skips over discussing his axioms in a footnote because he "finds them boring". This is sloppy work, especially for a guy who believes morality is discovered not created. Atheist philosophers Massimo Pigliucci and Thomas Nagel have written some pretty good critiques of Harris' Moral Landscape. Pigliucci's is the most relentless of the two, but both are highly enjoyable reads. I've spent the better part of the last two years reading numerous atheist philosophers, and the one thing I'd warn you about, is be careful only reading the new atheists - Dawkins, Harris, Dennett, Hitchens, Epstein, etc.. - They got popular because they built their arguments mostly on rhetoric and demeaning/bashing those they disagree with. Again, they aren't all bad, but they are miles apart of the real atheist philosophers who know better. Sadly though, presenting theism/atheism as both being philosophically sound world views doesn't get you on talk shows or prime time television... But if you pretend like your opponent has brain damage.... well that sells now doesn't it. People (on both sides) are often more comfortable demeaning/bashing those on the other side. This is mostly for psychological reasons since it helps them feel less threatened when the problems of their world view are brought to light - So instead of recognizing that their world view has problems (every world view does), they gloss over them and pretend like there aren't any problems in order to prevent feeling threatened and also to avoid having to think deeply over complex issues. Take care.
@Klepske3 жыл бұрын
1:45:11 I think that attempt at a joke by Wilson offended Hitchens. Sorted him out shortly though.
@avedic9 жыл бұрын
2:00:47 I love how rapt in thought everyone in the audience is. Hitchens sure had a way with a captive crowd.
@ufoLogisT78 Жыл бұрын
какой горячий и очевидный искренный выпуск ! спасибо те Christopher
@GabrielMartinez-su8di3 жыл бұрын
Great conversation
@tehspamgozehere13 күн бұрын
Love that Hitch and Wilson could respect each other. The hat is an amusing touch.
@jvincent65482 жыл бұрын
The best part of this was the exchange that tried to differentiate the meaning of faith and reason. Mr. Wilson asserts that 'faith in the bible' (as a means of proof) is the same 'faith' that Mr. Hitchens has in the process of reason. For me this is where the crux of any discussion about God needs to go. Theists and religionists need to understand that they cannot base their proofs on their assumption that the bible is true. 'Reason' is a product of mankind's infinitely enquiring mind: a concept that sits above all else (including religion and god). Reason need needs faith like the sky needs pillars to hold it above our heads.
@MrGoodrat2 жыл бұрын
I would recommend spending some more time studying the French Revolution and seeing the effects of exalting reason above all else.
@jvincent65482 жыл бұрын
@@MrGoodrat Oh for God's sake. What happened after the initial revolution was/is what happens when all 'power structures' collapse. Look at the break-up of Yugoslavia, or IRAQ. This is what people do. It has nothing to do with religion or morality.
@jvincent65482 жыл бұрын
@@MrGoodrat What an unfathomably stupid thing to say.
@wojtex20112 жыл бұрын
So you believe that reason is a concept that sits above all else, thats still faith
@id7442 жыл бұрын
@@jvincent6548 It's unfortunate how many atheists (like yourself I'm assuming) are unkind sour people sowing so much hate in the world. I guess that's what happens when you think you're not accountable to anyone or anything above yourself.
@JosephNordenbrockartistraction9 жыл бұрын
I've lived past 5 decades, was raised going to church with my little tie on all dressed up and now speaking frankly for just myself as a science lover and non-believer, I think all religions are boring as well as over rated. Boring is the best thing I can say about religion. Thought crime (as mentioned in the tenth commandment) is a victimless crime unless I believe there's a non-physical god that cares what one out of billions of people thinks. I'm a nicer guy without the bull shit religion preaches. I dropped off god at the curb two years after Santa Claus and I didn't need Hitchens to agree with me. I like watching Hitchens debates because he was to well world travelled and funny getting the audience laughing at religion.
@avedic9 жыл бұрын
Joseph Nordenbrock Well said! That's the thing that bugs me about religion the most. I'm kinda shocked to see someone else who gets that. Religion is just....so....*_boring_*. The _questions_ asked by religion are _fascinating_....yet their answers are utterly pedestrian. They're boring because they aren't true or honest or ethical....therefor they aren't interesting _either_. Truth is *_always_* fascinating.
@sayitwithyourchest39449 жыл бұрын
Joseph Nordenbrock But "boring" doesn't disprove
@machtnichtsseimann6 жыл бұрын
Haven't gone as far as you have, but I have dropped off my previous struggling belief ( and common conservative church belief ) in "God", and have been unlearning distortion and mind control that led me to be more stressed out and mentally enslaved. Damn the thought control policing and behavior control. Such a cheapening of the beauty of what I think/thought good religion, if you will, was supposed to be about. Relationship. Love of God and neighbor, which ought to imply truth, though often is lost, or worse, disrespected. ( In Hitchenspeak: blasphemed? ) The rampant intellectual dishonesty within the Church, when challenged by Science, is anything from laughable to sad. As much as Hitchens might have scorned me for cherry picking the Bible and not being a through and through absolutist like Douglas Wilson, I still think many more passages of the Bible were allegory, not literal, not necessarily actually occurring in real life, rather, parable to teach a principle. Or a "day" in Creation might have been a billion years. Thank you to Science as well as further debate within Theology. Hitchens, as Atheist, did a great service to hold the Church to the fire. I do miss him for that, as well as his broad, deep intellect, and oratorical skill.
@icuppu25 жыл бұрын
So what do you have against Santa Claus? I'm going to throw an egg at you as soon as the bunny lays one on Easter Island or something like that.
@HarryNicNicholas6 ай бұрын
@@sayitwithyourchest3944 the creator of all this is boring? you're okay with that?
@andreadiamond71152 жыл бұрын
I miss hit Hitch so much.
@dantalbot12012 жыл бұрын
Then go and dig him up, lol
@andreadiamond71152 жыл бұрын
@@dantalbot1201 lmao. WTF? 😂
@dikkgozinya10426 ай бұрын
His commentary is sorely missed
@carolm7536 ай бұрын
I’ve watch about 10 Hitchens debates at this point. And the “infallibility” of Scripture is the root of all these disagreements. The Christian typically has all its intellectual leaps grounded in that belief first. The Bible viewed in this way is the first departure from being able to evaluate any of this objectively/clearly.
@glennsimonsen8421Ай бұрын
Not sure which debates you speak of. Try Hitch vs. John Lennox. Lennox never goes to "infallibility". Hitch admitted afterward that Lennox won the debate.
@postmachine7 жыл бұрын
his closing statement was reality overload. awesome
@L1Run2 жыл бұрын
This strange argument from theists keeps coming up: "If the godless universe doesn't mind murder, why should you mind it?" Well, we don't care if the universe minds it. We mind it.
@Gggggoose2 жыл бұрын
Okay, but why do you mind it?
@jvincent65482 жыл бұрын
...I agree. These arguments are infantile non-sequiturs. Rather like a child's reason being, "because".
@luboshcamber19922 жыл бұрын
But why do you mind it? Shouldn't be a problem to answer childish question...
@jvincent65482 жыл бұрын
To 'mind' something implies a consciousness of, or at least a recognition of, that something. The universe has no such faculties to do either. It is always an error to ascribe 'human' characteristics to inanimate objects - even to other animal species. We 'mind' it of course because our abhorrence of homicide is innate in us. Long before we had evolved to be Homo sapiens and our archaic hominid ancestors became conscious of knowing, they 'knew' that one did not indiscriminately kill either oneself or one's kin.
@jvincent65482 жыл бұрын
@@luboshcamber1992 To 'mind' something implies a consciousness of, or at least a recognition of, that something. The universe has no such faculties to do either. It is always an error to ascribe 'human' characteristics to inanimate objects - even to other animal species. We 'mind' it of course because our abhorrence of homicide is innate in us. Long before we had evolved to be Homo sapiens and our archaic hominid ancestors became conscious of knowing, they 'knew' that one did not indiscriminately kill either oneself or one's kin.
@drewh229 жыл бұрын
I don't see why Hitchens wouldn't just say that he appeals to reason. If I were in a debate with someone and they admitted that they believe in stuff based on an appeal to the bible, and then said "well you appeal to reason" i'd be perfectly happy to say yes. The question is then this, "Which is more likely to be true, the belief in something based upon a singular book, or the belief in something based upon reason?"
@LtGregoryStevens Жыл бұрын
Video starts at 23:00
@stopt1me10 жыл бұрын
And, our empathy was an emergent property of the evolution of social species. It is a common trait of many social species, as it improves survivability. Remember, evolution has no goals. Evolution is a PROCESS that results in increased numbers of any species that develops traits that increase survival rates. It is not "only the strong survive". It is "the most suited to survive usually survive better than other species".
@OnCharmLee5 жыл бұрын
Douglas Wilson trusts in the miracles ‘according to the bible’ ‘as a Christian’.
@PhDTony_original8 жыл бұрын
When you open your argument with "I'm not going to work on the basis of evidence" you have to work hard to go further downhill. Wilson, however, manfully succeeds.
@RationalThinker18598 жыл бұрын
+Anthony Purcell Beautifully put. It becomes a race to the bottom, which he wins.
@rgibbs4218 жыл бұрын
Yea nicely put.
@jvincent65482 жыл бұрын
Manfully? I think you misgendered it.
@heliocentric6810 жыл бұрын
i dont understand how he can say without god the universe is beautyless and meaningless...there is nothing more beautiful than the universe and all its processes and i wake up in awe every day knowing what has had to take place for me to exist...religion could never replace that, and the irony is its the christians who say we athiests must be so empty inside.
@jonathangonzales91245 жыл бұрын
You have no meaningful basis in which to make the claim because all claims are subjective in the atheistic worldview. Atheist believe this beauty happened by accident while Christian's know it was the hand of our magnificent creator. That's what makes it beautiful.
@DanielGilchristYT5 жыл бұрын
Next time you want to unintelligibly bash an atheistic viewpoint, you may want to respond to a post that isn't 4 years old.. I'll happily step in for this one though. All claims are subjective in an Atheists worldview?... I won't insult you for your ignorance, I'll instead invite you to do more (just any) research. Atheists generally pride themselves on the value of scientific fact, something for which there is next to no subjectivity to inject. Your smugness and lack of self awareness combine to make a particularly toxic attitude.. I'm an atheist, here's a factual claim for you: Your religion is becoming more powerless with each passing generation, the day of the height of it's popularity is long since over, soon you and all else who subscribe to its ancient views, will take their seats beside the other relics of history. Enjoy yourself.
@jonathangonzales91245 жыл бұрын
@@DanielGilchristYT is this absolutely true or could you be wrong about this?
@DanielGilchristYT5 жыл бұрын
Well, seriously ask yourself, at what point in History has science ever conceded ground to religion? I could list countless areas in which Religion used to provide an answer for questions we all had, that Science has since provided more accurate answers for. There are literally no cases where Science provided an answer for a question that religion has since disproved or provided a more accurate one.
@jonathangonzales91245 жыл бұрын
@@DanielGilchristYT that didnt answer the question....is what you're saying absolutely true or could you be wrong about that?
@JonathanMcCulley7 жыл бұрын
If you want to skip the windbag introduction skip to 11:45.
@boxer123507 жыл бұрын
Jonathan McCulley you.
@joshuaharney11817 жыл бұрын
Skip to 22:45 for the first non-bullshit segment.
@stevenwilliams41727 жыл бұрын
i just skip to everything Hitchens says
@itsbornstar41727 жыл бұрын
Cus your ignorant
@mitchrhodes63107 ай бұрын
The absolute contempt on Hitchens' face after Wilson talks is priceless.
@UrbsDei216 ай бұрын
The absolute consternation when he gets called out on Reddit-level understanding of the end times is also brilliant.
@toiletseatscholar785 ай бұрын
I'm just at the start, he seems quite gentlemanly so far.
@mitchrhodes63105 ай бұрын
@@toiletseatscholar78 Hitchens was very professional but you can see the contempt all over his face.
@FoulPet4 ай бұрын
They're on tour together and spent time together out of the debates. It's difficult for me to believe he'd do that with someone he had contempt for.
@UrbsDei214 ай бұрын
@@FoulPet It's real contempt, but it's for the arguments, not the person.
@arstudents2 жыл бұрын
Where was Jesus 2100 years ago? Nowhere.
@deangailwahl82705 жыл бұрын
27:35 That is exactly why we need to tremble, because if God only gave Justice and No Saving Grace we would all be damned since we all have fallen short of the Glory of God.
@deangailwahl82703 жыл бұрын
@Greg Brown Its Ok with me because God has reveled to me How Evil I have been and at many times still am. I have heard that its an abomination to say we have free will because God is the only one with Free Will because God is perfect and will always do the right thing. We have a will but it is not a good will. Its not God's fault that we love our sin, its our fault. Most people including Christian's seem to forget that God is not only Love but is also Wrathful.
@HarryNicNicholas3 жыл бұрын
tell me, if god said "you don't get any second chances, there is no forgiveness, one strike and you're out" would you still worship him, or would you say "my god would never do that" because i made up my own version of god who kinda fits with my preferences, which is what i think all people do, your god would forgive you no? that's why christianity has a GOAL, you aren't going to follow a religion that condemns you regardless are you. it's all MADE UP.
@deangailwahl82703 жыл бұрын
@@HarryNicNicholas Actually mathematical God gives us millions of second chances based on our sinful nature even as Regenerated Christians. God owes no one Mercy and or Grace only Justice. Christian's don't have to make up our own version of God because the Bible tells us who God is and who we are. The Goal you are talking about has been established by God not us. Theology is the Study of God and religion is the study of Man.
@Kehvo_exe3 жыл бұрын
@@HarryNicNicholas Well whatever weird what if box you just tried to put God in is indeed ALL MADE UP. Read the Bible instead of making up hypotheticals
@joshuatodd15111 жыл бұрын
the fact that more and more people have the view that reality is so damn beautiful and capable of inspiring awe and giving you pause is why there is hope for this planet. there is beauty, puzzles, optimism and every reason to live and let others live in reality.
@billyroberts196010 жыл бұрын
"Donkeys can always be arranged." -Christopher Hitchens
@oliverlovesgorts11 жыл бұрын
My goodness. Well said!! Just beautiful!
@waltzguy141517 ай бұрын
“I believe” < “I know”. Believing is NOT knowing.
@josephscheribel209625 күн бұрын
Do you believe that?
@AmadeusD6 жыл бұрын
"I'm not an evidential person" - goes on to describe evidence for a statement perfectly.
@mattcorrickmagic7713 жыл бұрын
Amadeus Diamond he’s referring to an evidential based apologetic. You’ve made a category error there mate 😊
@AmadeusD3 жыл бұрын
@@mattcorrickmagic771 I have not, but thanks for playing.
@simargl24548 жыл бұрын
It's not the hitchens's arguments that convinced me that religion is poison, his opponents's arguments convinced me
@7timeless8 жыл бұрын
+Derp Derpington Or lack thereof :)
@RationalThinker18598 жыл бұрын
+Derp Derpington So often the way. Watching someone dig his own grave without outside help is delightful.
@mok70448 жыл бұрын
+RationalThinker1859 Jesus hated religion. He was after mans hearts.
@uxaenarrhythmia14837 жыл бұрын
So what you're telling me is that Jesus was gay. It all makes sense to me now.
@afvro757 жыл бұрын
He makes it easier though.
@claudiucojobv8 жыл бұрын
Another overwhelming victory for Hitchens.
@claudiucojobv8 жыл бұрын
Jack Palkovic Only a person with a very low developed intellect or a believe trapped and dogma ridden mind - can argue otherwise. In which category do you stand exactly?
@primitivaroots8 жыл бұрын
+Claudiu Cojocaru Of course you must be more evolved than christians, or than any other human been right?
@yoursola8 жыл бұрын
+Claudiu Cojocaru Thanks for your "opinion"......
@jesusistheonlysavior33128 жыл бұрын
That's your point of view, for me he make NO sense .
@claudiucojobv8 жыл бұрын
Jesusistheonlysavior Of course, since you're probably an irrational mind holding irrational believes... It is to be expected that reason makes no sense to you LOL
@zombiewack10 жыл бұрын
I like Hitchens and Douglas ...both very polite and smart folks
@kasiar1540 Жыл бұрын
Dougie says horrendous things about women. He is vicious and vile
@JoshuaCasper8 жыл бұрын
How a grown man can sit and talk so seriously about the pig story is jaw dropping.
@JoshuaCasper8 жыл бұрын
If it means I get to keep my rational faculties then.... i'm ok with that.
@exiled688 жыл бұрын
+Joshua Casper it's not jaw dropping that he can talk so seriously about it, it's jaw dropping that he believes it so seriously. I don't think you would need to turn any of your rational faculties off to be in a literature class and pass, unlike Christianity.
@itsbornstar41727 жыл бұрын
I can't believe how evolutionist believe they evolved from a rock now that makes a lot of sense to me. You were brainwashed into your blind faith. I choose to believe what I believe in.
@joebobjenkins78377 жыл бұрын
Joshua Casper Many feel the same about the belief that the more inbred an animal becomes the better it gets.
@joebobjenkins78377 жыл бұрын
Bayonne Blasphemer i have, it rained on rocks and made soup, then the soup came alive. So yes, evolutionists believe we came from rocks.
@captainmarvelmsc7692 Жыл бұрын
@55:50 Mr. Hitchens "How can u manage to say that miracles are only true when their Calvinist,"....NAILED IT!
@thorshammer13810 жыл бұрын
"I believe it because I believe it" Anybody else see the problem here?
@JosephNordenbrockartistraction10 жыл бұрын
That was the point he lost the debate.
@TheDiamondRealm10 жыл бұрын
Joseph Nordenbrock Actually, he lost the debate when Hitchens sat down next to him.
@stephenlord19869 жыл бұрын
sparklingmichele exactly that lol.
@TheDiamondRealm9 жыл бұрын
Stephen Lord ...and I was thinking earlier how much I missed him.
@machtnichtsseimann6 жыл бұрын
As a Theist, I threw up my hands when I heard that. Though I relate with being persuaded by the arguments based on eyewitnesses ( trusting in them as such ) and lives remarkably lived out to the point of persecution and murder. I do know the comebacks which are valid: many people can live distressed lives for believing in anything or anyone, and the written accounts took place too many years later. As well as none of the original manuscripts are in existence as of yet. Jesus Christ just seemed like an incredibly good man, teacher, perhaps "god". As Hitchens commented, it's unfortunate Marcion's suggestion didn't win out.
@josephno13475 ай бұрын
it all comes down to, if something is granted or sought after, kill me now
@fusionartistsmedia11 жыл бұрын
Amazing isn't it, that as science continues to unveil the true nature of the universe, religion has to 'catch up' and readjusts itself to continue its argument for the existence of a God. How long was it before the church accepted copernicus?
@jvincent65482 жыл бұрын
Hmmm one may 'measure the time' in the numbers of burnt humans who dared to think for themselves and who dared to challenge the stupidity of the catholic church's absurd dogma.
@emmanuelkagabo36032 жыл бұрын
How about the millions killed by atheistic communist politicians because they think men are mere evolving chemicals ? Just use them to elevate your pride? How many kids especially blacks who are in jail because they had no father at home due to feministic secular views?? How about young ones who are in drugs because atheistic Hollywood lied to them?....
@jvincent65482 жыл бұрын
@@emmanuelkagabo3603 what a ridiculous argument. people kill in the name of religion. this a fact. no one kills in the name of atheism. Primarily because no one does but also because atheism is not itself a doctrine; it is not a world view nor is it a philosophy. it is simply a rejection of the claims of religion. Man kills because he is an animal,an evolved one, but still an animal. Religion just provides the justification.
@petyrkowalski9887 Жыл бұрын
These christian debaters often say “you have faith in….” ( insert logic, reason, science etc). There is a stark difference between having confidence in a process such as science because it is based on proven, repeatable, measurable outcomes and by contrast, believing in something despite lack of evidence to support that belief.
@juilianbautista406710 ай бұрын
The word "confidence" comes from Latin "con" (with) and "fide" (faith). You tried, but you also failed. I'm sorry. Good of you to mention that we should trust in proven, repeatable, measurable outcomes. Indeed we should. But that isn't the only way to gather information. For instance, you cannot prove the Holocaust happened using the scientific method. You're going to have to rely on other things, like historical evidence, reliable testimony, et cetera, in order to *prove* the truth of a claim. We know Jesus rose from the dead the same way we know George Washington was the first president of the United States. But if you're actually going to dupe yourself and your fellow lacktheists into thinking that you can't believe that fact because you have no proven, repeatable, and measurable evidence (kind of like how we don't have proven, repeatable, and measurable evidence for, say, Darwinian evolution), then you've got another thing coming. Also, anyone who asserts the evidence is lacking is actually going to have to say *why* and *prove* why that is the case. Otherwise, given that the soundness of the Christian's arguments has been demonstrated, the counterclaim of the atheist/lacktheist can be dismissed.
@sovereigngrace972310 ай бұрын
Confidence is latin, con meaning with, and fide meaning faith. so you are "with faith'
@zackg81309 ай бұрын
@@sovereigngrace9723based
@glennsimonsen8421Ай бұрын
Wrong. Very little in science is "proven". There are proofs in mathematics. Science is thus far powerless to explain the origin of life on Earth. So certainly an atheist debater necessarily has faith in claiming (like Stephen Hawkins) that God is not necessary for everything we see around us.
@josephscheribel209625 күн бұрын
Glennsimonsen8421 is right. Science is not "proven". Science has not provided the explanation for the origin of life that exceeds more than a hypothesis. And scientific studies are being disproven all the time by newer studies. Humans are flawed and therefore science is flawed. Soooo YES, scientist have FAITH even though they know they don't know it all.
@PBCBlount2 жыл бұрын
Here September 13th, 2021 5:55 P.M God I miss Christopher Hitchens... He would have Been the greatest free speech warrior alive today along with JP and Sam Harris.
@jvincent65482 жыл бұрын
.....I miss him too. Nice profile picture, by the way.
@jlettizard64652 жыл бұрын
How is Sam Harris a free speech warrior? He doesn’t even believe in free will
@ChrisR3954 ай бұрын
Don't miss Hitchens, become Hitchens. It's what he would have wanted.
@willboudreau11872 жыл бұрын
Hitchens: "Hawking has a colleague that said if he were dying of a terminal illness he'd want to go over the edge of the event horizon of a black hole, that would be majesty." Jesus Hitch, no pun intended, that brings a tear to my eye, a very moist one, seeing how "prophetic" was this line of yours given so long before your death, but now just read by me, so long after your death. Such is the power of a great man to influence people after death.
@CorkyMcButterpants2 жыл бұрын
Now come on fella! The Hitch is unlikely to be enamoured of your passing praise and sorrow, given that it would only be _prophetic_ had Prof. Hawkins' friend or, as I assume you to mean, Mr. Hitchens himself, managed to literally get strung out on the space-time defying event horizon of a bona fide black hole on shuffling off this mortal coil. Calm down.
@MELDtoys Жыл бұрын
Proverbs 1:26 “I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;”
@thebuffalo22632 ай бұрын
@@MELDtoyswut?
@evklinken8 жыл бұрын
At the very least, Wilson seems like a nice guy.
@czgibson30868 жыл бұрын
Yes, he's much more witty and likable than most of Hitchens' opponents in these debates.
@georgechristiansen67854 жыл бұрын
Why would it matter what one does to random interactions of matter?
@BenjaminGoose4 жыл бұрын
Why do you consider humans to be just random interactions of matter? I don't think any atheist considers them "just" that.
@Resenbrink3 жыл бұрын
@@georgechristiansen6785 You mean you don't know?
@michaelking10913 жыл бұрын
@@BenjaminGoose by what basis can a atheist claim otherwise and know for certain that humans have meaning that transcends matter in motion?
@photografr79 жыл бұрын
Christopher Hitchens is an awe-inspiring debater. We miss you.
@patricknovak64719 жыл бұрын
If you like hitch... Watch him vs. donohue
@photografr79 жыл бұрын
Patrick Novak Phil Donahue?
@patricknovak64719 жыл бұрын
No just search for hitchens debates Donahue
@photografr79 жыл бұрын
Patrick Novak Will do...
@3dge--runner9 жыл бұрын
Patrick Novak thats a good one
@paigewells367811 ай бұрын
By what standard. Everything in this debate comes down to that. Wilson asserts the right question
@tommym3218 ай бұрын
Yes. It is a question for humans to answer. Not the invisible sky daddy.
@alanstrawn7326 жыл бұрын
Why is it that in nearly every debate involving Hitchens, the volume is so low that even at the highest settings he's hard to hear? Bad stuff there!
@JoshD66712 жыл бұрын
Douglas Wilson is my new favorite person
@JoshD667 Жыл бұрын
I don't even remember making this comment/watching this video/who this guy even is!! 10 years ago... Wow
@sparkymmilarky Жыл бұрын
@@JoshD667 lol i was the same. Watched this 10 years ago as a atheist, still the same! Doug Wilson is a very controversial preacher, has been excusing child grooming and rapists within his church. All very questionable
@TheJohnBuffalo10 жыл бұрын
I think he's always pretty clear to point to specific religious injunctions that require its followers to cause the pain he complains about. He's not dumb enough to say "religious people do bad things therefore no god".
@michaelmannucci8 жыл бұрын
All the atheists who talk trash about Christians would have not gotten along with Christopher, since he has such a deep respect for Christians with convictions and had deep friendships with many.
@1dk227 жыл бұрын
He woudl have liked them even more if they were atheists
@rickbaker2619 жыл бұрын
That was a hilarious as a title...I'll give you the donkey, granted the ass."
@HolyMith5 жыл бұрын
38:11 the "I'm fucked" shuffle.
@Ryan_Winter10 жыл бұрын
Is this Douglas Wilson really supposed to be an intellectual person? What a backwater wanna-be university does it take to spit out such a demagogue?
@TheMcGloneCode8 ай бұрын
The speaker in the beginning of the video sounds just like Alex Trebek from Jeopardy.
@frallan74711 жыл бұрын
"Philosophy is writen in this grand book, I mean the universe, which stands continually open to our gaze, but it cannot be understood unless one first learns to comprehend the languange and interpret the characters in wich it is written. It is written in the language of mathematics, and its characters are triangles, circles, and other geometrical figures, without wich it is humanly impossible to understand a single word of it; without these, one is wandering about in a dark labyrinth." -Galileo
@gingerbleug38316 жыл бұрын
Someone tell all these bloody fools what a supreme privilege it was for them to have debated the great Hitch.
@luboshcamber19922 жыл бұрын
Your idol was the one who was fool. Someone is telling you that now.
@eram6412 жыл бұрын
The deception is great and the war for the souls of men rages on
@DrRyman2 жыл бұрын
In your mind
@shecklesmack9563 Жыл бұрын
Is “the deception” in the room with you right now?
@chokin78 Жыл бұрын
"all the same, thanks for having me" 😂
@lukethreinen73803 ай бұрын
One of my all time favorite quotes
@PilgrimNinja2 жыл бұрын
When did this debate take place?
@gor2658 жыл бұрын
Why didn't Wilson put on the cap after the first 10 mins... he was losing (and lost) right from the get-go. Hitchens clearly and succinctly explained and gave examples of what it is to have religious faith; the illogicality, contradiction, inconsistencies, ridiculous gullibility, etc. Wilson had fizzing Dr. Peppers, speaking to spilt milk, analogies. He doesn't know where logic comes from..
@7timeless8 жыл бұрын
+Jack Palkovic Not from god.
@j.p.49106 жыл бұрын
Hitchens is merely anecdotal in this video, there is no argumentation, much less any presentation of evidence for any of his position. It's just a smattering of isnt-god-mean-isms which is appeal to emotions which consistently one of the weakest forms of argumentation. Knee-jerk hitch-fan boys never critically analyzes the evidence and argumentation, but accept everything he says as "gospel" but don't have the courage to admit that they are just basically cult.
@MrNikolidas5 жыл бұрын
He presents some of his arguments in the form of anecdotes. It's not that he doesn't have any arguments; you just need to think about the anecdotes to understand the arguments. He doesn't appeal to emotion; he exposes the lack of emotion in a monotheist God. If you really listened to what he said, it should be obvious.
@7timeless8 жыл бұрын
Love Hitch. Brilliant as always.
@ilkhgs8 жыл бұрын
Hey, #ChristopherHitchslap, recycling previous parts of the same debate is a soft attempt at lengthening the video. What affect are you going for with the repeats? 1:04:27 was a previous of the same debate/repeat, or repeat if you will. A repeat is only for those who question. #RepeatNoMore
@mollymu17 жыл бұрын
And Wilson said it ( I hadn't listened to the whole part yet ) Who says we have to choose . :)
@garys.141510 жыл бұрын
Wilson's case is laughable. He's basically saying "If you don't agree that God exists, you have no right to say that anything works without him because that would fuck up my position." Lame, dishonest and insulting. Period.
@sharafmedo6 жыл бұрын
I believe the argument goes, If you don't agree that God exists, then you have no right to say anything as you do not have an objective basis for any claim you make.
@Romamb2 жыл бұрын
Three periods in a row. 🤔
@Fancymanofthedeep9 жыл бұрын
Hitchens kicked ass on the miracles question. Wilson looked like a dogmatic fool.
@SleepyPenguin-8og15 күн бұрын
Eh, needs a federal government sponsered resurrection to settle a pointless personal petty dispute.
@arneherstad219815 күн бұрын
Wilson understands Hitchins, but Hitchins cannot understand Wilson. This is all past tense now that Hitchins, sadly, has passed on. We all got to go to that lonesome valley. No one can go there for us. Unless, of course, we acknowledge the account of the One who already did so on our behalf.
@bevillenz11 жыл бұрын
Q/ How do you know that Christ rose from the dead? Douglas Wilson - "The bible says so". The end.
@DavidParker-cf2km3 жыл бұрын
The word "Bible" is properly capitalized just as you would capitalize the titles of Hitchens' books.
@Resenbrink3 жыл бұрын
@@DavidParker-cf2km god will get him in the end for not capitalizing so rest easy
@DavidParker-cf2km3 жыл бұрын
@@Resenbrink Take your own advice.
@edgesherun98803 жыл бұрын
How do know Christ didn't rose from the dead? Atheist: Christopher says so "the end.
@bevillenz3 жыл бұрын
@@edgesherun9880 You must be a genius. BTW, The burden of proof is on Wilson
@Sprinkadink4 жыл бұрын
Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
@Nick-hk2vz2 жыл бұрын
Faith: the reason given for belief when you don't have a good reason for belief.
@Sprinkadink2 жыл бұрын
@@Nick-hk2vz God invites you to test his word to see if it be true. “Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the world of God”. He will make himself available to anyone who wants to know him.
@jvincent65482 жыл бұрын
What infantile and spurious rubbish!
@jvincent65482 жыл бұрын
@@Sprinkadink Good God man - go back to your village and remain there. Do not venture out into the real world.
@annamo6927 Жыл бұрын
Yay! We are meaningless! What a relief!
@rockycomet4587 Жыл бұрын
Lol
@exoplanet118 ай бұрын
Looks like debate start in earnest around 13:00 or so.