Chrysler "LIMP HOME" Cruiser: P0882 - TCM Power Input Low (Part 1)

The owner had this low-mileage Chrysler PT Cruiser towed to my shop from more than 3 hours away.
It runs, but only goes forward in 2nd gear!
P0882- TCM Power Input Low.
Oh oh.
Let's diagnose this troublesome Chrysler, and see what the repair options are...place your bets now!
PART 2 is HERE: • Chrysler "LIMP HOME" C...
Enjoy!!
Ivan

[@bigmac965]

"I think we're going to have to tear the TIPM apart." I rub my hands together briskly saying to myself "Oh, yeah! This is gonna be good!" I'm sitting on the edge of my chair waiting for the next episode of "Ivan fixes the unfixable."!

[@KECOG]

I agree; this is the first time I've caught one of his videos on the same day it came out. :) Can't wait.

[@ehombie]

Like some other people. A cop of coffee and a diagnostic video of one of the pro’s. I love it on a Saturdaymorning...!

[@plcauto]

Good luck with those smart drivers inside those TIPMs.

[@rhkips]

TIPM: Terribly Implemented Problem Module. My biggest concern was a harness problem near the transmission, and the engine rocking/vibrating during startup was causing a short/open. Awesome job testing at the TIPM to rule that out! :D

[@throttlebottle5906]

Love it :))

[@Matbug1812]

Now the rabbit is limping home!

[@nickflopper]

I dont think he got that lucky...

[@bigmac965]

He'll make another appearance in "Ivan in the kitchen--Rabbit Fricasee."

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

LOL!

[@bostedtap8399]

All cars in 2020 will have additional codes to select if a) Eric O, b) Ivan T, is interrogating CAN BUS, Then will connect and post automatically to KZbin. Another great video Ivan.

[@throttlebottle5906]

coming soon, encrypted can bus, so that nobody but dealer can work on them.......... about the time they all go bankrupt and all the top brass gets hung/shot/stabbed/poisoned to death. oh but they'd love to do just that, I can hear them all seething over it ;)

[@MiguelFlores-jp1ss]

Great Diagnostics, good step by step process,,still more to come, can't wait!!

[@Paul1958R]

Ivan, Great case study, diagnosis, and video! Looking forward to the TIPM tear down. God bless Paul

[@rcrobertson9563]

What a great video...I have fixed 2 of these in past 8 months. Honestly It took me longer than you to figure this nightmare out. I am now comfortable when one of these pos rolls into the shop

[@user-mf5lk2wp1x]

Greetings from Ghana in west Africa, I am most grateful to you for this case study which has really helped me solved the "LIMP HOME" mode of my PT Cruiser 2007 Touring edition. I consider this video and explanation very helpful. Thanks and God bless you.

[@baxrok2.]

Sweet. Can't wait to see what we find!

[@AP9311]

Very nice diagnosis. Great testing. I learned a bit on that. But that's very similar to Eric O's sister on her van with the TIP module. He tore apart and replaced the relay and put all back together. So classic symptom on Chrysler's!!! Lol

[@publicmail2]

Customers must love seeing their vehicles diagnosed and fixed by you expertly. As opposed to a snotty mechanic that you might suspect in causing more damage by accident or not.

[@MTTech]

Same can be said for Eric O at SouthMainAuto!

[@ronberry2998]

Eric O fixed a TIPM for a relative a while back, I know that "No Parts Required " Ivan can do the same. 👍

[@adventureoflinkmk2]

Remember kids, as Eric O. Would say viewers... if I can do it you can do it.

[@billpalmer4152]

Hey thanks a lot for your video. My pt cruiser was doing the same same thing. Your wire splice didn't work for me. Probably didn't have the right wires. So I bought a rebuilt tipm from Maks and installed it. Works perfect now. You steered me in the right direction. Thanks so much.

[@glenncerny8403]

My sister in law had the same problem 2007 PT Cruiser. The local trans shop said they would not work on it so I inherited the problem. I first replaced the fuse box without success so next was a new (rebuilt) PCM and that fixed it. Battery and alternator were checked OK. Drove me nuts.

[@alrod25]

Don't know if you'll see this but I want to thank you! This Car has been sitting here for months because I haven't had the money to get it fixed. I did the relay fix yesterday and drove it all day! Thanks for everything!

[@jgeorges3061]

IVAN, Awesome/brilliant diagnosis really enjoy the way u find the problem and learn alot from you thanks and cheeers brotha.

[@sandrasolarz5560]

Omg can't believe I found this. My mechanic had my car 8 months trying to get refurbished ecms. The 4th one worked. Then got it home and 3 codes came up off and on...a thermostat...which they had replaced last year. Cleared code and it never came on again days later code came up with #4 misfire, and they had just replaced it all during the 8 months they had it and it had no symptoms. They cleared code again and it never came back. Then engine light came on a week later 0882 and them went off by itself. Few days later it came on again but this time car went into limp mode stuck in 2nd gear. They don't want to work on my car again as they had it 8 months and every mechanic had worked on my car at some point. They agreed to look at my car again and I am going to show them this video.

[@newjerseybill3521]

In the words of BigClive, we need to flow some juicy led based solder!!!

[@ericmcginnis9413]

With a Chrysler I instantly think of a corroded wire somewhere!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

All the grounds on this Cruiser were already cleaned up in efforts to fix this problem to no avail 😁

[@williegillie5712]

I think your gonna find a case of the crusties on one of the relays or a connection inside the TIPM. One item at a time Ivan your gonna locate that bad boy. I have confidence in ya Ivan. Looking forward to seeing the completion of this job. Nicely done👍

[@keithparkinson7988]

Wish I’d found this earlier spent a few thousand trying to fix with no luck now I will give this a try.

[@jstutz101]

Excellent diagnosis!

[@jamesbruno5896]

Like every other one a bad relay and/or bad solder connection on the pwb inside the TIPM. Good luck Ivan I have faith you can repair it!

[@vlstyles]

Hopefully PETA won't flag this

[@willefixit]

some animals harmed good knowledge shared win win !

[@notajp]

PETA= People Eating Tasty Animals.....

[@arthurfricchione8119]

Ivan, another head-scratcher. Keep us posted. Nothing like the good old TIPM. 👍

[@CXensation]

Oh cheese a cliffhanger 🤦‍♀️ Guesses: Green crusty on a connector pin inside module. Burnt relay contacts making for intermittent switch hold. Dry solder joint.

[@guestguide2544]

I found a lot of time with the electronic sensors units, the first check is to unplug and plug while wiggle them which can clear oxidation of the metal connector. Have very good luck with this as often the thing starts to work.

[@mikeanthony3986]

Great video sir.

[@amr-50]

Thats a great video ivan

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

thanks Amr!

[@h82sk8]

Ah the famous TIPM Relay problem. The relay inside is an easy fix but, the TIPM module is usually replaced.

[@MasterChief-sl9ro]

That relay is not the wiper motor relay. I bet he has to solder every socket. As they are just like GM dashes. The solder vibrates loose. Or the servos go out to the Gauges..

[@leoashrae4199]

My experience in repairing TIPMs has not been good. In my neighborhood (about fifty miles East of Ivan's shop) I get quite a few cars whose owners commute on I-80... where calcium chloride brine is used in the winter. I've opened TIPMs, especially on Dakota trucks, where the copper traces have completely delaminated from the circuit board or even dissolved completely. I try to save folks money whenever I can, but I think my track record for resurrecting dead TIPMs is about one-in-ten. Once the salt gets in, they're as good as dead.

[@Themadscientist1969]

2005 model (pre TIPM)--check your "corroded" grounds at left inner engine bay---there is 2 points where there are multiple grounds (all the little black wires) from fuse box and left headlight assembly! --ran into this today!! 4/30/22 easy fix in an hour! all corrosion in the factory ring terminals!---wires are just long enough to allow you to cut off original rings and install new ones (fill with di-electic grease) crimp-reground n GO!)

[@jimhaines8370]

Customer complaint "it's a PT Crusier"

[@0386rm]

I wonder why they were so popular when they came out. If you can remember back to 2001, dealerships couldn't keep them in stock, dealerships had to order direct from the factory if somebody wanted one. I don't know for sure but I think there may still be some PT Cruiser clubs around. What changed from then to now about that car?

[@adotintheshark4848]

@@0386rm the cars got a few miles on them and people saw what a pile they were. Chrysler made a serious mistake with these in that not only was the quality poor, they saddled it with an engine that could barely get out of its own way.

[@mvlad7402]

Great Job!

[@fire7765]

Great video

[@SmittySmithsonite]

OMG ... I HATE PT Cruisers! They're enough to make a tech quit and become a dentist ... 🤯 I did a timing belt on one before - never been so infuriated at automotive engineering in my life!! Same customer later melted the engine down. With the doors that wouldn't latch, cat code, and rear wheels that were ready to fall off after driving 10k miles on completely wasted wheel bearings, it sat in my yard for almost 2 years. Just scrapped it recently - that was a joyous day!! HATE those things!!! 🤬 Can't wait to see inside that TIPM. Another wonder of Chrysler engineering right there. Great diag, Ivan! Scope definitely key on this one.😎

[@throttlebottle5906]

surprised the rims didn't leak all the air after the factory supplied tires needed changed at 10K and the salt done ate the coating off the rims corroding them right around the beads.... seen just that when they first came out, they tried to blame it on the tire change places..... they didn't after they seen whom changed them :))

[@phprofYT]

Ivan .... you tease! That wasn't very nice at the end leaving me hanging like that.

[@PaulCTownsend]

Good job.

[@richard1835]

Great Video Thumbs up

[@brandonandkeiafink204]

You are right, I see some similarities with the Jeep Commander video! I bet there is a relay inside the TIPM that is gone bad. If you get the part number off the relay then you may be able to find one and solder it in. Like in the Jeep Commander video I would think an easy fix would be to wire an ignition wire to the TIPM output circuit and problem should be solved!

[@BigDaddy_MRI]

Just use correct soldering technique (it was cringe City, screaming at the phone how to do it, painful to watch, then sudden success when Eric worked and soldered in a replacement relay on a relative’s TIPM), and everything will be OK.

[@daviddelle774]

I know,.... I was doing the same thing, wishing I could just call him. Then realize it wasn't real time anyway.

[@angelamcmahon]

Your videos have not come up in the KZbin home page for months... This one just did.

[@hpelisr]

The TIPM sounds like a ride at the amusement park, so if you need me I 'll be over there. lol

[@michaelferik8060]

These vehicles remind me of the infamous Chevy Vega. Self destruct mode is built in with little notice before it occurs.

[@richardjorquera7475]

Hey mate great video could

[@colepeterson9961]

My ex's brother who I'm still friends with got one of these of the same year for free.. I have done sooooo much on that car.. I fking hate pt cruisers.

[@wdmickjr]

PT Loser

[@deweydodo6691]

Electric shift transmissions , owned one and done .

[@throttlebottle5906]

@Jonathan points to standard trans......... uh-huh petunia :))

[@roadkill5333]

You know something is wrong, when you come back, and rewatch a video, because you already watched everything else on KZbin, except Scotty, and even all the suggestion videos have all been seen!! Too much KZbin, maybe!! Heck, I'm all chooched up!! Car repair, boat repair, catamaran building, logging, diggin, fixing drains, towing, truckin, tree topping, cake making, beating iron, drilling steel, shaping wood, and much much more!! I even watched some videos about brain surgery!! Now, there is almost no chance whatsoever that I may pilot your next commercial flight, but I can understand why I was watching those vids!! But, BRAIN SURGERY?? For Gods sake, WHY DID I WATCH THAT?? I can't get that picture out of my mind! Makes me want to do something extreme to forget it!! Like, stretch a dead cows ass over my head, break into a prison while drunk and naked, or post videos of myself and a Billy' goat doing naughty things, or even worse post videos of myself and a fat girl doing naughty things!! On a moped, no less!!

[@sandyande]

Cheers Ivan great video, idea, wire in external relay to by pass tipm! Cheers sandy

[@AndriyMisuyrak]

RIP the rabbit :(

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

:(

[@InsideOfMyOwnMind]

NYAAAA What's up doc? ba-dump.

[@billycook5688]

I'll watch all this later but anyone with a late model Chrysler product should have their own cheap code reader, my PT goes into limp home mode about once a month. I keep my code reader plugged in all the time so when it goes into limp home mode I just pull over and use the code reader (any cheap one will do) to erase the code and start the engine and take off again. Not really a fix but works for a while so it is at least a cheap temp fix.

[@volpswagen_marco]

Teaser bonus footage!

[@user-gz4jb5zi3p]

спасибо друг! твоё видео очень помогло! такой же случай! 2007г.

[@alexnemo3568]

Вам удалось починить? Нужна помощь. Такая же проблема.

[@TheSeamusmaccorcrain]

Can anyone, including Ivan point me to part two of this particular series......just replaced the TIPM on my g/f's 2k6 Pt Cruiser wagon and now I'm getting codes P0700 and P0882. Love this video and need to find part two so I can get this blasted car going !

[@sharedknowledge6640]

If you look up “fail” in a Michigan dictionary it says: “See Chrysler TIPM” Yet another good video and reason to never own a Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/FCA vehicle with their incredibly failure prone poorly designed electrical systems.

[@lloydjackson6491]

Love the case study, I have a 2006 PT cruiser Turbo There's no pin at C4 pin 38, do I use C4 18 and 28

[@djentyman4002]

It’s just a Chrysler.... no way there is anything wrong with the transmission (obvious sarcasm)... also, RIP to the bunny

[@richardcranium5839]

was that a code word thing like the rabbits dead maybe little ivan on its way???

[@throttlebottle5906]

Rest In Peace rabbit and Rust Into Pieces Crapsler :))

[@frederick6008]

You hit a rabbit and you keep driving? That is fresh roadkill! Bring that home for the bride to cook.

[@TonyRule]

Towed from 3 hours away? That's crazy. Is there a serious shortage of competent, honest technicians in the owner's neck of the woods?

[@kevinbyrne4538]

Yes, I had the same questions.

[@scotts6503]

Cheaper to buy once and cry once; Ivan will get it fixed right without using the parts cannon.

[@djentyman4002]

Dude. I’d rather tow my car 6 hours away to Ivan than use the mechanics around my neck of the woods in Michigan. Parts cannon around here. Either ship to Penn. or to Avoca NY to Eric O.

[@TonyRule]

@@djentyman4002 That's just scary. How do those people stay in business? I don;t know if it's as bad where I live (not USA) because I'm a mechanic so I never need one.

[@djentyman4002]

Tony Rule some are decent but majority of them around here rip off customers. I’m lucky to have a guy that we’re family friends with but I’d still rather have Ivan or Eric O doing the diagnostics

[@adotintheshark4848]

During the test drive, you put that rabbit in limp-home mode.

[@thogevoll]

You made a sail rabbit. After it dries out you can peel it off the road and toss it like a Frisbe.

[@joshkent4888]

Ha Ha, the PT cruiser is actually just a Neon underneath.

[@adventureoflinkmk2]

I didn't know it had bright yellow or purple or orange colours... especially those shades that would react to a ultra violet light...

[@bartscave]

We used to have a nighttime drunk game called “chase the rabbit “. Off road with four wheelers. They are impossible to hit. Not sure how you got one. You win!

[@throttlebottle5906]

I'd be rich if I had a $ for every Bugs Bunny I've hit over the years... no to mention ground hogs, raccoons, birds, rats, cats, dogs, deer, opossums, geese, ducks. yeah pretty much everything loves to jump in front of me and I don't know why, I feel like father death lol

[@petersonanson4300]

If I were you I would tell that customer to get ride of it. When you said Crysler PT and Dodge Neon (which they have the same platform) just put a end to its life.

[@0386rm]

I wonder why they were so popular when they came out. If you can remember back to 2001, dealerships couldn't keep them in stock, dealerships had to order direct from the factory if somebody wanted one. I don't know for sure but I think there may still be some PT Cruiser clubs around. What changed from then to now about that car?

[@phprofYT]

'07 Chrysler with a 2.4L power house. I had an '08 Jeep Patriot. It's a wire. 52k miles? Still a lot of life left.

[@RicardoPCGamer]

🤣🤣🤣 doubt it will last another 5 years before it see's a junkyard

[@adamtrombino106]

My mother had a 04 Sebring sedan with 256k on her 2.4. Granted it went through 2 t-belts and w/p's and 1 headgasket, but it ran great. Finally got rid of it when the trans wore out. Oddly enough, the only electrical problem we ever had was an ABS module that died at 165k. Before that she had a 97 Stratus, again 2.4. We sold that in early 04 with just 77k on it but the guy that bought it put another 186k more on it (with lots of work). The 1 was the victim of an accident in which the insurance co. totaled the car. Seems that after 1 had the headgasket oil leak problems solved, they could run a long time.

[@robertrobertus7865]

31:19 Nice fuse box. when you do finally get to the TCM you will discover you cannot troubleshoot them till you remove the gell. Same as the ECU/PCM . Good Luck

[@Young516_]

What u mean

[@laohantun7404]

Scotty hate that model too....gosh,..looks nice....oh common Chrysler....

[@RicardoPCGamer]

52,000 miles on it, no wonder why it still runs. It won't make it to 150k before it completely falls apart. My grandma had a 2008 PT cruiser. At 4 years old the car was falling apart at 70k miles. Air conditioner quit working, Cam sensor, engine mounts, exhaust leak at the manifold, passenger side window regulator, transmission was starting to jerk around a bit. GARBAGE!!

[@kevinbarry71]

Windshield is cracked? Don't worry, it's Pennsylvania

[@aky19832001]

Sir, I gave up on dodge/ Crysler. I owned a few including several Hemi engine vehicle's which i loved! but everything else was a disaster. The quality control was a nightmare. The engine was great, transmission was okay.

[@anthonyrebock5351]

Cool beans..., the tipm suspense is intolerable. Also heard shift solenoids go bad on these things .

[@throttlebottle5906]

it's a chrysler with electronics.... it's easier to say what doesn't break on them, nothing :)))

[@psav1520]

Just my idea, tapping the TIPM with something hard (screw driver handle) should localize the vibration and have less effect on the wiring and connectors. This should localize the testing a little further.

[@larxvilla4959]

P⁰[0ooo[ooko

[@willefixit]

good money shot!!tappy tap tap ,lol

[@josephwash109]

I was expecting the input shaft speed sensor to have failed as I understand they fail often (like all Chrysler speed sensors).

[@dc5723]

Here's your problem lady, it's a Chrysler.

[@InsideOfMyOwnMind]

Ivan fix. Break out the Weller and scan the board.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

That's in Part 2 ;)

[@InsideOfMyOwnMind]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I knew it, only because I've done it too many times myself.

[@charlesmiller5078]

The Money Shot...............where have I heard that before. Hmmmmm

[@abimariavargas7086]

Hey Ivan hope u can help me I got a 2006 limited ...sometimes if shifts fine other times it's like stuck In second gear ...I hooked scope to control wire and output and when it don't wanna shift past 2nd both wires are zero volts..also loose communication with scan tool when this happens

[@weldingjunkie]

From what I understand tipm will be gone once all the SGW modules are in. I’ve looked at wire diagrams and notices the ones with the SGW don’t have tipms. Anyone else notice this? Looking forward to part 2 Sunday night 😂

[@throttlebottle5906]

"secure gateway module" aka throw away all your current high dollar tools, because now the data buses will be encrypted and just be digital encrypted noise on them. and you'll have your hand tied trying to diagnose ;) burn chrysler burn, flames and fire higher and higher.. I am very sure there will be a turning point sooner than later, when some smart fellas release easy to make kill all from afar ;)

[@weldingjunkie]

throttle bottle the Bosch ADS 625 can get into it Luckily through the obd2 they had it as a beta back in March now it’s permanent. I have only tested it on a few. It is kinda crazy I get it for hacking purposes but why block it for shops just doesn’t make sense

[@erichagler7842]

if starting out do you suggest alldata or identafix .... can only have one

[@MasterChief-sl9ro]

I got a TPIM, TCM and PCM for that.. All you do id program the PCM to the VIN and mileage good to go..And yes these things have built in replay under the box. None serviceable.

[@leedress2187]

Pt cruiser has been crusher food since they came off the line..

[@0386rm]

I wonder why they were so popular when they came out. If you can remember back to 2001, dealerships couldn't keep them in stock, dealerships had to order direct from the factory if somebody wanted one. I don't know for sure but I think there may still be some PT Cruiser clubs around. What changed from then to now about that car?

[@leedress2187]

There are still clubs by me. The body design was cool.. the motor was just junk. I still see used ones for sale with big oil stains underneath them.

[@thogevoll]

Ivan, you pulled the back cover off the connector, why didn't you back-probe instead of piercing the wires?

[@calholli]

"No bunny no" --- lol..

[@kellyspeppers]

TIPM relay problems, I had the same problems with the older Ford CCRM relay box. The CCRM had problems with the cooling fan relays and the AC compressor clutch relay. Take it apart and repair.

[@throttlebottle5906]

the words "Ford" and "Module or relay" in the same sentence is a guaranteed issue :)

[@MrBo-sg6hu]

Im confident you can fix the TIPM, but I myself would be hesitant in disturbing other circuits, as failure prone as they are. I think I would add an outside relay, and solder/heat shrink the wires. Sorted.

[@adamtrombino106]

I've done a couple that way with f/p and trans relays on some 05-06s, however, when trying this on newer models, they wouldn't work. The TIPM has resistors and timers inside effectively making them time delay relays and the PCM needs to see those values or it will shut off the signal, and throw codes. The few TIPMs I'd tried to take apart we so smoked, they stunk. The few used 1's I've tried didn't last long. I wanna see Ivan's fix, cuz I think he's gonna try, and since this is such a well maintained low mileage car, he may get lucky. I know Eric O has fixed at least 1, so have other KZbinrs, but personally for my time, I'm taking Keith's approach: Customer needs and gets a new 1. That's just me.

[@throttlebottle5906]

problem is, many now have "computers" in the tipm that are on the can bus and operate the relays that way. complete stooge engineered junk, with stooge engineered and lies about component duration and testing or they went through "accelerated testing" in a perfect controlled lab environment to curtail the bad outcome ;)

[@JohnKorcak-jv6xb]

Got a 2002 tcm is separate from ecm if I clean code trans performs fine short distance then check engine and back to limp mode pt cruiser would like to add relay but your layout has ecm and trans in one module any ideas

[@ericlavoie399]

do you think i could do this fix before it breaks we go on vacation all the time in our convertible i always try to fix things before they break

[@NoWr2Run]

TAPPY TAP TAP.

[@MrCJF75]

Probably a variant of the A604..... any problems they default to second gear.....any defects at all

[@sonsautomotive]

i have had a several of these failures...i have piggybacked an external relay to replace the failed TIPM internal relay...the PCM is just a control and the TIPM is just an output relay to load...i use a relay with a diode/resistor on the coil side of the relay and a external fuse for the load side...you might get a code for power output short to power but it does not turn the check engine light on...you could also check the amperage on the transmission side of the TIPM...one of the solenoids could be over current and damaging the internal relay of the TIPM....BUT it is a JEEP...oh i mean chrysler TIPM

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

You will enjoy Part 2 :)

[@canuckfixit7722]

I have an '01 PT Cruiser with a 5-speed MTX. My PCM looks nothing like this - it is full of old-school relays and fuses. Is it still susceptible to this "limp home" situation?

[@tinkerwest]

Another PHAD effective, methodical diagnosis but I don't think this one will be a NPR fix. Part 2: Interesting and adventurous autopsy followed by "new" TIPM replacement as I believe you're already "married" if you catch my drift.

[@randalldalton5475]

Are you using Alldata Pro?

[@somerandomguy3868]

A Cliffhanger! seriously! come-on Ivan you're killing me here, gotta be corrosion somewhere? right?

[@anthonymilam7614]

What about limp mode sometimes can pull out it shifts great but when I stop and pull back out it pulls out in 2nd gear then like it's got a mind of it's own

[@billpalmer4152]

A good video but disappointed you did not show how to get the tipm box out.

[@eurosonly]

RIP rabbit. I heard it cry.

[@joshuabuchanan3731]

I dont know if youve answered this but is this a 2006 if not is this the same wiring.