Chrysler "LIMP HOME" Cruiser: P0882 - TCM Power Input Low (Part 2 - TIPM!)

It's TIPM Time!
Let's see what gremlins are hiding in the magic black box, and if there is any way at all that we can fix it without buying a new magic black box.
Enjoy!
Ivan

[@KEVINNOAD1]

You are the most dedicated super smart mechanic I have ever seen... Blessings Too You

[@oldjesus8978]

Ingenious solution. I hope the customer appreciates all the money you saved them ... and thank you for not running over any wildlife this time !!

[@jimschiltz5343]

I've gotta hand it to you, pal. That was a slick work around. You outsmarted some lousy Chrysler engineers with their spaghetti PCBs and their "designed obsolescence" mindset.

[@wannabeelektwicityman268]

I'd be mighty proud of that fix! You are truly a "repair" man not a replace man.

[@ericcorse]

Well done Ivan, if that car was older this might make the difference in fixing or junking it. Seems like the customer is getting a deal.

[@mmichaeldonavon]

Ivan, I love how you always "think out of the box." I'm a "really" old guy, with a lot of electronic experience, but I always learn from you. You, sir, have my admiration. Thank you.

[@NoWr2Run]

DAMN ISN'T THAT THE TRUTH, MAKES ME FEEL STUPID SOMETIMES HE DOES.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Thank you for the motivation, Michael!

[@calholli]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics You're probably also bypassing some other "safety" issues--- by not letting the TIPM put the transmission in limp mode for other reasons.. For example, I know that if the Accelerator pedal and the throttle body (or throttle position sensor) do not agree because the throttle is sticking, or more likely: the plastic gears that actuate the throttle body break--- It goes into limp mode, because the throttle could randomly go to WOT (wide open throttle) or something, or could get stuck in WOT after you step on it-- because of a broken piece of gear making it stick open, ect.. ect.. I'm sure there are other reasons. My 2010 Dodge Nitro had this issue, and the trans was put into limp mode--- obviously by the TIPM---------- This bypass won't allow that to happen now--- so if the car got stuck in WOT, the person would have to think fast enough to lock the brakes, turn off the key, throw it in neutral, ect. ect.. Which honestly I'm fine with myself. We don't need this nanny state mentality trying to hold everyone's hand and save them from these very unlikely hypotheticals by putting our cars in limp mode for us. (although, it did happen to my Nitro--- and it did high rev a few times like it had a mind of it's own: so it's not that uncommon I guess. lol). A new throttle body fixed my issue. I love the work around here IVAN.. but it does come with it's legal liabilities.

[@alfgortmans200]

Your video is awesome I’m 71 and from Australia. I’m what they call a bush mechanic ( self taught since 19 years old ) and I try too do the job as cheap as possible for the customer

[@chillvids4009]

Worked like a charm . Thank you so much ! Saved me hundreds for a new TIPM . 🎉

[@rancelynch6514]

Ivan, you are remarkable ! You make me feel like I was part of this repair. Your customers are truly blessed.

[@TheCowgirlNiamh]

Great job Ivan! I think what you charge is fair. My uncle always said "take a little, give a little and leave a little for the next guy". I try to stick to that 👍☺️

[@danieljones9463]

Ahhh! You and your Uncle are Good Decent Humans. It is good to see that The Ancient Common Folk Wisdom and Decency is still alive.

[@statedace3]

Watch next week he's got 50 PT Crusiers parked in the drive waiting on that Fix lol.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

That would be good money ;)

[@adventureoflinkmk2]

Or other Chrysler products... was gonna say I've heard of people bypassing parts of the TIPM with relays and such

[@TRO300]

I need your help

[@mikechiodetti4482]

I would do the same as you. Any time you can wire in a relay to do the same job as a module relay, you can do it. Just make sure the new relay has the appropriate diode across the relay coil to dissipate the control voltage (PCM protection). Nice Job. Having the wiring diagrams makes it easy.

[@Peter_Riis_DK]

Quite important advice.

[@mikechiodetti4482]

@@Peter_Riis_DK It's worked for me in the past.

[@HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP]

*100% AGREE ON DIODE. AC RIPPLE WILL COOK QUAD DRIVERS.*

[@grounded-b937]

Yes, good idea. Put a 1n4001 diode across the relay coil - wired cathode (stripe) to PCM control, anode to ground. This will shunt any high voltage caused by coil field collapse.

[@HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP]

@@grounded-b937 www.ebay.com/itm/200Pcs-box-10-Value-Rectifier-Diode-Schottky-1N4001-1N5819-Assortment-Kit/332885432994

[@alrod25]

Don't know if you'll see this but I want to thank you! This Car has been sitting here for months because I haven't had the money to get it fixed. I did the relay fix yesterday and drove it all day! Thanks for everything!

[@MarkBarrey]

Your diagnostics fee was more than reasonable, plus you gave this customer a premium service and repair they would have NEVER received anywhere else. (other than maybe SMA, of course)

[@dans_Learning_Curve]

Would Eric have done the repair this way?

[@mnmarlin6074]

Amazing repair! I enjoy watching you fix these older cars and keeping them on the road all the while teaching us something useful!

[@gregnissen3950]

The diagnosis & repair was more than far. You've made a very happy customer Ivan. Nice work as usual!

[@Paul1958R]

Ivan, Great analysis and interesting and innovative fix. Thank you for posting! God bless Paul

[@larrystephens7437]

I just love watching you troubleshoot. I spent a big part of my day learning gas water heaters! Hot water on Tuesday!

[@wyattoneable]

"Skittles" that made me laugh. Fantastic work around Ivan. This is one for the books!

[@robtemple3445]

14 thumbs-down? Probably 14 butt-hurt Chrysler Dealer Parts Dept Managers😬 Great repair Ivan! Thanks!

[@nestorroman2694]

Bravo! Excellent diagnosed! I hope I can get to your level soon.

[@FreeStuffGuy916]

Great thinking outside the box with the external relay idea. Love your videos. I always learn something.

[@wysetech2000]

I think that is what Chrysler did for the fuel pump circuit failing in the Tipm a few years ago. The Tipm modules were so bad that they were causing vehicles to stall in the middle of the road. They were on back order while they fixed the design flaw so the dealers installed an external relay. Well done, Ivan.

[@benreavesmusic]

this video series has been sitting in my Watch Later for like... 5 years. 5 years ago, I was driving a 2005 base model PT Cruiser as a last resort, no money for a replacement unless i wound up in dire straits. Well.... I did. the car would literally start giving me MASSIVE issues actually delivering power above a certain accelerator setting once the engine bay got too warm. The car damn near killed me losing power abruptly while at highway speeds, and would not restore it until I waited an arbitrary amount of time. At the time I had no idea what was going on. I wish I had watched this series back then, because I might have been able to tell someone to figure out what in the TIPM was losing its mind and replace it with a relay. Instead I spent all my money on a completely different used car. Honestly I don't regret doing so. I just think it is insane that a vehicle could be designed *this* unreliably.

[@robertanderson6850]

What a great video......Some of the 'old school' components still do the job. I like the way you can incorporate them in your repairs and explain your methods. Your time and labor charges are more than fair. All the best !!!

[@gregcromer8406]

It reminds me of a surgeon tapping into a mammary artery and then tying it into the heart. Nice work again Ivan!

[@misterhandy5121]

Ivan definitely fair, actually 2 hours diagnostic and 2 hours repair sounds about right! you saved them a bunch!!!

[@kevinbyrne4538]

If the customer is willing to pay for 3 hours of towing to Ivan's shop, then the customer is unlikely to complain about a few hours of diagnosis and repair.

[@cathypappas8033]

Wish you were near Gettysburg because I have been dealing with the same problem since February

[@user-dv1ll8pz5m]

Ivan , you are a blessed individual. I watch you and I am learning from your videos. Thank you, Sonia

[@douglasmoffet5788]

Great tutorial. After sinking a lot of money into my 06 pt I found this video tutorial. Followed the steps to bypass the tipm for this particular code and if fixed my car. Even tho I had already installed a new tipm it still had the code and would not let the trans shift. Followed these steps and fixed it. Thanks for the help!!!

[@winstonemerson2439]

I have an 06 as well.Could you tell me what you did.Any help appreciated.

[@paulsullivan6392]

Simply outstanding lad. Well done. 3 1/2 hours....fair charge. Go for it

[@rickwest2818]

Where I work, I use a stereo microscope when looking at circuit boards. It really allows you to get in there and see things really well. Also, a lot of people have mentioned a freewheeling diode backwards across the coil. You didn't mention it so we don't know if you know about it or not. Before you ever connect a relay, you have to consider the back EMF from the relay coil when you shut it off. It can be thousands of volts. Also, the light test on that output doesn't tell you how much stress that light is putting on the circuit. Something else to be mindful of while doing this type of repair.

[@BEANS-O-MATICtransmissions]

@rickwest2818. My exact thoughts, i was like that relay is gonna send lightning bolts through the tipm when it keys off. I was thinking use a SSR instead.

[@elBusDriverKC]

You gave this problem more attention and depth than I think most people would. Once the TIPM was diagnosed I think most would just order the part and wait (if they even got the diagnoses right). Car electrical issues are the devil. Good job sir.

[@adolfosotolongo31]

Ivan , I want to thank you fix my PT Cruiser following your instructions . More technicians should be like you .

[@g2b233]

Damn Ivan, that is smart!!! I sometimes have a hard time following your logic but I understand this completely....it's a brilliant bypass.

[@jakemason9436]

Nice old school fix Ivan! Thanks for sharing. Sounds fair vs the bazillion dollar TIPM.

[@stevefleck5892]

That's fixing out of the box! Thanks for the great diag and repair.

[@62ejo]

Ivan a BIG 'WOW' repair,over the TOP....

[@zx8401ztv]

I love the old school fix ivan :-D, paralleling the crappy board mosfet driver with a relay. Relays are simple and easy to replace :-D Mosfets can be good, but the relay is very tolerant.

[@montehyler]

Fine job on the diagnostics and on figuring out a neat, and cost effective, repair! Keep up the good work!

[@tashawnrobinson4788]

Thank you so much for this video you were so helpful keep up the good work and it's a blessing to have a person like yourself and others to help when a car crisis like this happens

[@georgebonney90]

I always wanted to do this it's so great to know it'll work,great job Ivan

[@maximorenteria3514]

Awrsome video. Thanks for sharing your knoweledge with us.

[@_CryptoNoob_]

Thanks again Ivan for your in depth videos!! This just saved me after a month of trying to diagnose my mother's car. Dang that p0882!!!

[@CodyNovian]

I just implemented this on my 2007 sebring, it worked!! Only thing that was different was my wiring diagram. My lemon is fixed.. thank you so much for this content

[@hpelisr]

Good job, Its good that you lowered the fuse amperage. well done.

[@danmauney8394]

I Tipm my hat to you Ivan, the czar of auto diagnostics! Great video!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

LOL good one Dan xD

[@savageceo5038]

​@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I need help my car pt cruiser 2006 is going into limp mode my wire are yellow and black I found the green wire but I'm trying to see if the yellow and black wire Is the wire I put the yellow on from the relay

[@Uticagreens]

Just like a heart surgeon we now have Ivan the TIPM surgeon. Job well done! You saved the customer a substantial sum of money. Your expertise and the usage of your expensive diagnostic equipment should be fairly rewarded. I would recommend that you charge your actual labor and ½ the price of a new TIPM from the dealership.

[@markkurutz3544]

This relay worked great and saved me from having to give up my PT. I'm disabled and can easily get in and out of car. I've had 1 brand new one and 2 used P T .Thank you ! Thank you !

[@AP9311]

Ivan, wow!!! That's is awesome repair! Never ever in my thought to put a relay on that pcm to tipm!! That's so Russian repair!! Love this video! Out of this box thinking there, Ivan! You got my many many thumbs up from me! Now I've learned something really cool and fancy stuff! For two hours and some parts, definitely worth it, I'm with you there 100% as they probably looking to save money as possible! I'm sure they extremely happy with cost effective way to fix it without forking out $600 for the tipm!!

[@Okie-Tom]

Very good call on the relay Ivan. Saved a ton of money!

[@petermartinez5573]

You my man never fail to amaze me. You are a genius.

[@suprasonic340]

brilliant old school solutions to throw away society .need more tradesmen like you

[@paulkirkland1535]

My thoughts exactly. Great job Ivan, I remember some years ago having an overheating issue with a GM car. It turned out to be the ecm not activating the electric cooling fans. I basically did the similar thing you did by doing it the"old school way" and presto no more overheating problems. I've done this with electric fuel pumps as well, works every time. Nothing like the old school way IMO.

[@MrKingdavis13]

The underside of that tipm is completely different than the one I was working on but we both came to the same fix essentially, but your choice is a lot more professional than what I did. I simply eliminated the tipm and connected the two wires together outside of the unit since they were both battery voltage wires I didn't even think about installing a relay. Whoops, but it worked. After 18 months, of having one problem after another we finally got rid of the car and the next owner had zero problems with it afterwards. Of course the car was totaled in an accident about 6 months after it was sold but they were 6 months of trouble free driving anyhow.

[@genepoon8905]

The TIPM was a bad idea courtesy of Mercedes Benz engineers... Daimler-Benz owned Chrysler at the time and demanded that Chrysler change over to Mercedes-style electrical system (complexity, unreliability, and HANG the cost). Earlier PTs than 2006 did not have TIPMs.

[@likearockcm]

Brilliant solution,Ivan ! Very satisfying for you I'm sure.

[@stagemanfx]

Awesome fix .ive always thought there had to be a way to bypass the tipm and I’m glad you did it to prove it also a great diagnose

[@exmotorsports]

It's a TIPM Trippin Video.. Lol Nice work Ivan. 😎👍

[@mikesworld60]

Hi Ivan, Love you neat little home shop you have there. Super cool fix.

[@LZDEN]

very nicely done Ivan,one happy customer i would think.

[@ManicMechanic007]

Your determination is remarkable. You never surrender.

[@El-Harrach_USA]

Kudos!!, don't know a lot about the electrical system, but had a pleasure watching you dissect the TIPM. I have a 2010 PT , took it from my daughter she had nothing but problems, and gave her my car. have the head lights on the right side not working and the horn, and I wasn't about to replace the TIPM. Again, you're a master at work.

[@kellyspeppers]

Very good repair Ivan. I'm not Russian but would do the same thing. The only change I would make is to put the fuse very close to the battery terminal. That way the power wire is protected on the way up to the relay.

[@mikenurse670]

Hi Ivan, I have been watching your channel for a few days now and I am totally impressed, especially when you work with Eric O, good guys, like your style.

[@vincedelpezzo8209]

Great information Ivan, appreciate your logic

[@urkslaven]

Thank you so much for posting this. I did this for my mom's car and it worked. Thanks again!

[@waynewilliams4822]

IVAN should be awarded a medal for this solution, i regularly repost this url on my facebook site for PT cruisers.

[@ikeymia7]

Thanks bro that tip helped me out big time my car 06 Pt cruiser stuck on 1st gear for 2 weeks until I seen this video wow it worked it has been one whole year and it’s still running. Thanks bro. Go Raiders!!!!!!

[@Banks8988]

i just want to say thanks, i had this same problem and i got lucky and found a TIPM at the wrecking yard and that was exactly the problem with my car. your video was very informative and very helpful in tracking down the problem i was having.

[@64505elvis]

Ivan that was very very good logic old school gotta love it i was following along step by step and thinking i wounder why you couldn't just use an old school relay???? and it blows my mind that is exactly what you did. Lol cant believe it that was so damn. AWESOME!!!!!!!! Great job

[@unknowno3606]

Triple bypass by dr. Ivan More than fair service charge + knowledge =every body happy 🤓

[@richardcrouse4644]

I have a 2005 PT Cruiser & like your logic/explanation of proposed customer costs for the TIPM diagnosis & add relay repair. In light of today's computer driven systems this sure seems fair to this old Texas boy. Thank you for posting. Always enjoy your videos.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Thanks Richard!

[@vincescalise4821]

Fantastic repair And a very reasonably price to ,great job Ivan

[@thomaskashul8855]

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you. I had the P0882 on our 2011 Chrysler 200 Limited. Same TPIM. Spliced both wires under the TPIM. Control was B pin 10, Yellow Brown, (relay) then powers K3 (Yellow Orange) works like a charm! Thanks man! You Rock! Tommy K

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Nice work 😁👍

[@nahventure3873]

great work! I'm currently in a trade school taking an automotive electronic and mechanical program. I like to see "ratchet" repairs such as this one, I've done similar stuff, can't wait to see more.

[@danieljones9463]

Does your Teacher see a need for "corrective retro-work" as a remedy for over digitalized automotive systems?

[@fire7765]

Great job Ivan.

[@justindevincentz208]

Completely fair. Great job. 2 hours diag. And I was thinking about an hour for the repair, plus parts. They didnt have to buy a $500+ part, your giving them a one year warranty, and you have to get paid for your time. More than reasonable

[@brandonandkeiafink204]

Nice work! I love these videos!

[@Bonbonbon739]

Dude, you are a lifesaver. I had no idea what was going on with my Chrysler 200. Same exact set up. The car was also low-voltage code would randomly come on when I would hit a speed bump or something and it would go into limp mode. Sometimes it would drive for an hour. Sometimes it would do this nonstop. I finally took out the TIPM and started smacking it around and it’s working right now. Worst case scenario I go to the junkyard. I did not even know where to begin, and this has been plaguing me for a month. I kept thinking it was a bad ground somewhere. Nope.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Just install a bypass relay, more reliable than anything from a junkyard 😉

[@Bonbonbon739]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I would be terrified to try that lol but I ended up going to the junkyard and I was able to get a one from a Dodge avenger and my car is working now? I’ve been driving it all day! Thank you so much man I had the same exact symptoms, so I knew this had to be the problem you were right

[@danniebosley1521]

I like your work ethics and you fully diagnosing. I also enjoyed your video

[@unencumbered]

I know this is easy to say but truly belive that you under-charged your, without doubt, happy client. Well done Ivan!!

[@jamestackett2879]

Good job Ivan you saved the customer a ton of money.

[@chungaleta1234]

Dude... you're a hero!! Not only will the customer pay you gladly, but he will give you a nice christmas present, I'm sure of that. You just saved him hundreds of dollars and headaches. These are the things the get written on the book of life.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Thanks for the positive comment! This was a very satisfying repair :)

[@victoriadiaz1694]

Thank you very much, for explaining slowly and clearly,your video helped me a lot

[@agregory5529]

Well done Ivan, it's a step to far , in vehicle electrics, good fix.

[@JoseMartinez-vv9de]

I want to thank you so much for this info that literally saved my job. I'm thankful for u sharing the information that saved me alot of money on a PT.cruiser who are prone problem cars to keep on the road, I thought it was done after everything I've done and very well running car for deliveries. Thanks for ur remedy I can continue to make money and stay on the road and not junk it, it shifts and run great. Kudos to ur sharing info!!!!! Love ya😁😁😁

[@bastianfromkwhbsn8498]

Nothing beats a well done hack job. I'm glad you made a repair like this for a costumer. I don't know any garages that offer service like that officially, only for "friends" and without paperwork ;)

[@baxrok2.]

Very impressive Ivan. Thanks!

[@HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP]

*ONLY ONE RABBIT WAS SACRIFICED DURING TESTING*

[@leepennington4649]

HUBBABUBBA DOOPYDOOP , It was for the greater good. R.I.P 🐇

[@adotintheshark4848]

the rabbit is now in permanent limp-home mode

[@brandonlewis9162]

absolutely exact issue, absolute exact way i planned on going about attempting a repair vs replacement, but most of all the absolute best video, most comprehensive communication thru process of elimination, testing, repair confirmation...simply the best video anyone could of done working through an issue that may not be the most complex, but isn't simple either. Much appreciated sir. I wonder what you would charge after the added inflation of the last 4 years.

[@SmittySmithsonite]

Nice job Ivan! 👍👍 In my book, this is what we techs should be doing - figuring out how these over-engineered magic boxes operate, then ELIMINATE them for a fraction of the cost! I extended my middle digit to any automaker who engineers systems like this! 😤

[@ViperJay5]

Old school fix, I love it! I hate how there are so many gizmos and gadgets on cars now that it makes it almost impossible to fix or diagnose unless you really know what you're doing and getting into. While watching this, I was almost thinking the same thing as you by using a relay hooked up to reliable power and just bypass that garbage. Hope your customer is satisfied with the repair and it gives them trouble-free operation for the rest of their ownership.

[@christopherguinn9966]

Love it, just bought an 06 pt cruiser for 650. I thought I was about to have to buy a tipm, thanks for the video. Liked and subscribed.

[@g3831]

Очень ценные советы, Иван, спасибо!

[@beechwood619]

Ivan, Good deal at twice the price, you saved your customer $600.00, your labor would have been the same if you had replaced the TIPM.

[@ppeterson9359]

Love it. Classic Ivan.

[@petermitchell7479]

Well done Ivan. Using a bit of your own logic to outsmart the logic in the TIPM !

[@somethingsomeone5440]

Nice!! I feel like that’s something I would have done. Props man! I love seeing people that have a true grasp of what’s going on. While I feel I would have done the same I can’t say I would have. Ive got a tone of respect for you man, keep kicking butt!!! And yes that Toyota relay will outlive the Chrysler

[@alanmatthews5949]

Fair! Thanks for the added part. Most do not add this.

[@billburkart9087]

Nice job Ivan. You and Eric O. are like brothers from another mother. Obviously the guy valued you enough to bring it to you. So you should value yourself just as much.

[@PaulPhillipsFix]

Good deal, great fix Ivan. Be on the lookout for those rabbits. We don't want any more carnage.

[@1hlyGOD]

Brilliant!! Love the vids bro..👍👍👍

[@zephyrold2478]

Nice fix, a good old soldered thumbs up.

[@jonnygg6594]

The Toyota relay is the most reliable thing on that car.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

haha AGREED!

[@Airman..]

Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics I hope it has a built in diode or a resistor inline of control coil for power-off voltage spike suppression which can reach up to 80v what will kill the control transistor/ic prematurely

[@Airman..]

Mac M. cool find, fix should last for a long time

[@overload3996]

@@Airman.. I agree, also with a attenuator on the dso to save it from a 250v + inductive spike ( off state ) if no diode, or wrong direction. NPN's will fry.

[@Dapsters]

are you implying anything else on that is reliable?