Church History Literacy - Chapter 12: Constantine and the Council of Nicaea

Biblical Literacy Class recorded 05-03-2015. Resources: lessons.biblical-literacy.org/...
More info on Biblical Literacy Class: biblical-literacy.org/
Mark Lanier teacher. Champion Forest Baptist Church. Church History the subject.

[@raymontoya4018]

Thank you Mark Ligonier, i hope i can sit in your class one day especially in Greek study. I need to strengthen this because of my love and admiration to the word & church history. You help me review & fill-in my little knowledge in this subject. I am now trying to finish all the videos in series.. may God continue to bless you & your Ministry. I wish that i can echo this topic in our own language with your permission. I’ll send you an email after I’ve gone through to all of these.. Thank you very much.🙏🏻😇

[@orvilleallison]

I was definitely blessed by that teaching! Thank you very very much ❤️✝️🙏🏿

[@TK-qu1ht]

Thanx Mark. Very good lecture! I've already sent link to friends who are vacationing with unbelieving friends in Italy right now... it'll help them communicate how the Gospel made a difference in Italy's early history. Again, thanx. Hope you read or are forwarded these comments.

[@augustasister6615]

T K shame of u for passing on a guy who is obviously not a christian

[@yakovmatityahu]

Tribute to this great Emperor from a Christian from India...we accept Nicene Creed too.

[@sarahmccracken8553]

I wanted to learn specifically about the Council, it appears based on this title that this lecture has that in it, but I've now listened to it and I've not really learned much past the creed. In case anyone else out there is looking for the same thing, this lecture doesn't dive deep but perhaps sets up the tone for it.

[@fleetwd1]

Sarah, Thank you for pointing this out. This is not a Lecture it is a Bible class. Perhaps there may be more of what you are looking for in the class handout. it often has more than can be presented in class. if not at least it can direct you to sources for your further study in the footnotes. Here is a link to the resources for Church History. this lesson is #12 on Page 2, 4th from the top. cllick on handout and it will download a PDF copy on your computer to view. biblical-literacy.org/lessons/church-history/

[@sarahmccracken8553]

@@fleetwd1 Thank you for responding and giving me this extra information! Either way, I now have the background knowledge.

[@fleetwd1]

@@sarahmccracken8553 your welcome

[@ButlerianG-Haddinun]

& do we go underground now?

[@ButlerianG-Haddinun]

@33:33~~CS Lewis was a proponent of god's days names, a jovial fellow.

[@TK-qu1ht]

Can you please make the handout documents available via the web please.

[@augustasister6615]

T K don't bother it is all bullshit sprinkled with tibia of half truthS...RUN....HE TRIES TO DECIEVED AND YOUR ORDERED NOT TO BE.GO LISTEN TO KEN JOHNSON FOE FURTHER REAL INFORMSTION AND HE ALSO GIVES U ACTUAL BOOKS WHICH WERE WRITTEN BY THOSE WHO KNEW THE APOSTLES..A MORE TRUST WORTHY SOURCE...AND DISCUSSION OF WHAT HE IS DOING.

[@justiceearth9702]

Although I appreciate your stance, I hear a lot more “perspective/opinion” more than I do actual fact when it comes to whether Christ was the same as the father or just the son of the father. So here we have the Bible which makes a few statements concerning this. Jesus saying, “I and my father are one”, while at the same time stating he is going to his Father which is greater than him. Then he is always referring to his father in 2nd person which doesn’t help your argument. It actually backs Arians argument more. It’s complicated to look at something in context when we don’t really understand the context in it of itself. It’s a battle of each person’s point of view. How I understand the relationship of Jesus and the Father being one is that Jesus is the (form/flesh or rather the “living word and will of the Father” personified). The sole purpose was to demonstrate to us, his creation, what the will and word of God looks like in human form and behavior. How to be “perfect like our Father is perfect in heaven”. I worry sometimes though. That perhaps Jesus was just a beautiful man who truly loved and desired to do the will of God and therefore completely aligned his heart/mind/soul with it and it became his soul mission even if death became of it. I worry that we have made an idol of him, loving him more than we do the father. It’s a little scary, because there are serious consequences for putting something or someone else before the father. I don’t know, just sharing my thoughts 💭

[@fleetwd1]

if you are interested in discovery I suggest you search these lectures in a series. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHuriYCEo5iDgas

[@brianfarley926]

Read Augustine and Aquinas. Both of them think better than anyone today on this topic.

[@rody3199]

God bless Catholicism for compiling the Bible and God bless the Catholic bishops who did the council.

[@alanthiercelin5218]

One of the best early church scholar! A lot better than robert price or richard carrier!

[@augustasister6615]

Alan Thiercelin WAKE UP HE IS A SLY SNAKE OR JUST IGNORANT.

[@joannwallraven4182]

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[@havoc092]

As I understand it, it was Theodosius that proclaimed a state religion of Rome, not Constantine. Constantine merely made Christianity legal in Rome. And the state religion erected by Theodosius wasn't Christianity, it was Universalism. The phrase he used was that 'the religion of Rome will be the universal religion'. Constantine adopted Christianity for political purposes. His advisers were largely Aryan heretics. And he's the one who at nicea argued for changing the greek text of the book of Hebrews to accomodate the Aryans. Constantine's concern was unity of empire - a theme which Theodosius carried on. The reason for nicea was to halt religious discontent within the empire as it was as great a risk while the empire was under constant assault militarily from without. These are things you'll find in most history books. I draw from Michael Grant''s "Constantine the Great" for the above. The missing pieces for most people is 'what is this "universal" religion'. It had it's start in the 1st century after a man named Simon went to Rome and began to establish a following. This happened ca. 42AD and it is well known to history. He continued teaching a mix of christianity, judaism and pagan religious beliefs. His primary concern was with creating a "universal" religion. And that is precisely what he did. He became so renown that a statue to him was erected in Rome - an unprecidented act. His full name was Simon Magus. His title was Pater or Petr. This notion that Christianity was ever made the state religion of Rome seems to be late propaganda to cover for a cult known as universalism. The text of the edict of Thessalonica uses the term "catholic" or Universal and the decree was made in 380 by Theodosius well after Constantine had died in 337. Moreover, Theodosius states that the Apostle Peter delivered the message to the Romans. This isn't the case. Paul was the Apostle in Rome in those days. The only other claimed apostle in Rome at that time was Simon Magus who was claiming this very thing. Simon Petr the Apostle as it were. We have to remember that History is written not by the most truthful people; but, by the guys with the biggest club (the type they beat you with..). To this end, It is Roman Universalists who have handed us this history. This is like turning church history over to Joseph Smith. We need to stop spreading this nonsense and start spreading the truth. Catholic does not mean "One". It means "universal". That begs, to me, who this guy is representing.

[@augustasister6615]

havoc092 EXACTLY...I AM GLAD U ARE AWAKE. have u read the church father's or seen KEN JOHNSON WORKS....THIS GUY IS A 503C SNAKE.

[@havoc092]

I may have come across Johnson's work at some point; but, can't say I remember it. And if he's really good, I'd have remembered it lol. No, I did most of my own homework and honed it in an 8 year long debate amongst people representing a lot of different religious backgrounds. I've been both studying and debating since the late 80s with a specialization in Roman rite universalism. It's interesting that Roman rite never bothered changing the names of the terms used by Magus to cover their tracks. Also, almost missed a point - yes, I have read the 'fathers' and found them largely wanting. The only useful thing in them is to note that they disagree with the universalists if you bother going to what they actually said instead of taking Universalists' word for it on the citation. I think they only reference outside works to make it look like they know what they're talking about from my experience. They're often and easily busted on this stuff and they never admit it; but, what's new.

[@jarrodhamilton5654]

@@havoc092 [e-mail] I need more please sir.. I'm searching for truth is all.. Thank you in advance.

[@nathanruhl4812]

Jude 1:3...contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. John 17:20...Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; Luke 24:47...repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Acts 2:38...Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Ephesians 2:8...by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Romans 6:23...the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. John 3:15...whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. John 7:39...(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given ; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) Acts 4:12...Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 10:48...commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Acts 19:5...baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Acts 22:16...be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. Romans 6:3...were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 1 Corinthians 1:13...Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? Galatians 3:27...baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Ephesians 3:14-15...I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, [15] Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, Philippians 2:9-11...God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: [10] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; [11] And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Colossians 3:17...whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. 1 John 2:12...your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake. Not one baptism in trinity found in scripture...zero...none... 2 Corinthians 13:1...In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. Mark 16:15-16...Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. [16] He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Acts 2:38...Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. John 8:31-32...Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; [32] And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

[@casandrawilliams373]

like 3outta 4 ppl in the empire were slaves, was such an elitist empire, i swear some ppl are so sick with their bias

[@josiepens4480]

You are WRONG. it was not Constantine the Great who made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire. It was THEODOSIUS. Constantine only LEGALIZED it along with all other religions. The Edict of Milan was an edict of toleration. Pls. Get your facts right.

[@marlenewilcox646]

This teaching is not for the TRUE people of Israel, this is garbage. Constantine was a sun worshipper, read that information. This guy said he was one of the greatest.... really. I guess he would say that because he too is a sun worshipper.