CIG Discuss Star Citizen's FULL RELEASE

In the latest Letter from the Chairman, CIG discuss the full release of Star Citizen. Whilst there's no release date yet for this, the claim to be laying the groundwork for Star Citizen 1.0 and the commercial release of the game.
Letter from the Chairman: robertsspaceindustries.com/co...
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[@drink15]

Haters going to be real mad then their grandkids play the full release.

[@zman_o7]

🤣

[@peteratkin3788]

Why?

[@stevenboyd5044]

My brother falls out with me if i mention this game....He doesnt work for Rockstar... Imagine!!

[@LuisPerez-5]

How?

[@kahldris1228]

You mean great grandchildren

[@aaronhumphrey3514]

I'll believe it when I see it.

[@stevenkies802]

Beat me to it. This was the first thing that popped into my head when I read the title.

[@youtubevanced4900]

Chris Roberts is the Elon Musk of the gaming Industry. Nothing but hot air.

[@kevinbarbour2771]

​@youtubevanced4900 Uhhm.. Wing Commander Still, to this day, one of the best game series I've ever played.

[@youtubevanced4900]

@@kevinbarbour2771 Elon musk made the Model 3. To this day, still the best car I’ve ever driven. Doesn’t mean he’s not a lying PoS. He says and does whatever it takes to pump and dump share prices. Same way Chris pumps up the game to drive endless ship sales.

[@Driahva]

"Full Release" is when they attach 1.0 to their unfinished game. Sorry, but until they fulfil all their promises and release Squadron 42, as well, then it isn't a FULL release.

[@antwan1357]

6000 hours space trucking in Elite Dangerous and listening to Star Citizen videos.

[@jedslather]

Because ED is dying slowly, it’s not moving forward it stopped doing so in 2016

[@vtubersubs3803]

@@jedslatherCope

[@user_16309]

It will forever be two years away.

[@vinct7023]

Sure... until release. CB2077 took 8 + 2 years to approach what it was supposed to be at release. A single game done by a company with all resources at day one.

[@TheEbonyEngineer]

@@vinct7023 Same developement time as GTA 6 and with less money.

[@RN1441]

@@vinct7023If you believe Chris they had +2 years of pre-development too, so they're up to 11.5 +2 and they've also blown through more than 800 million dollars with zero games released. CDPR used a fraction of that for CP2077.

[@I_am_a_human_not_a_commodity]

*fifteen

[@nurocept]

Well dah, we'll one day look back at SC as the game that gave us the future by never finishing and always developing the next big feature until it merges with real life and that is the true mesh technology they've been promising us!

[@b1bmsgt]

Well, that title wasn’t too click-baity, was it…

[@VincentVegas]

They must be smoking crack if they actually think that this game is going to be anywhere near a "minimum viable product" before the end of the current decade.

[@jumblestiltskin1365]

I dipped out of this and refunded in may 2016. Their final email after many many emails agreed to the refund, but not without saying "its a shame you are leaving us at this time, the project is nearly over the line and you will loae access to all your preorder bonuses". I can't describe how i never in any moment felt sad for losing access to a few digi-ships and a digi-towel. 😂

[@SeaLion8488]

"nearly over the line!" lol

[@jumblestiltskin1365]

​@@SeaLion8488 that is their words directly from the email! I couldn't believe it myself.

[@jumblestiltskin1365]

​@ScanGT incredible isn't it.

[@trivalentclan-mizar9591]

Classic pyramid scheme for the developers, learned from Madolf.

[@shoutingstone]

Looks like I'll finally get the physical box I pledged for in the Kickstarter along with a soundtrack CD. Now I just need to find an antique shop selling CD players :D

[@R0d_1984]

You can buy brand-New CD Players/Writers for your PC

[@DanDoesGame]

LMAO!! rip cd's 😂

[@shoutingstone]

Wow I guess my point was just too subtle for everyone. I dont care about CDs (no one does anymore. THATS the point)

[@DanDoesGame]

thats whyy its funny lol @@shoutingstone

[@RN1441]

I was there with you in the Kickstarter. Only shame from my point of view is that they've killed off most of the features they were advertising on day 1. The drop in drop out multiplayer campaign might be a few missions now, the 'from the ground up VR support' is a mish mash of hard to read diagetic UI elements and hard to read flat elements that are the worst of both worlds for both VR and normal screen users, the modding manual was sold until October 2023 but now they don't want to support modding, and the dedicated server support so one could host their own PU without worrying about CIG running out of money is no longer something they feel like doing despite having received more than 13x what they said they would need to do ALL of the features.

[@thindigital]

“Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.”

[@WarbirdPhoenix]

Millennium(1989) for those who are wondering. Good movie. 👍

[@thindigital]

@ WarbirdPhoenix also Churchill, I believe after El Alamain and other early war British victories.

[@sainovapk]

The ole carrot danglin' for more cash, they've perfected it

[@alexn8219]

Nobody is buying in right now because they talked about a release x years from now.

[@KenetorTV]

THIS!! so much this!

[@RN1441]

Pyro next year? Tune in in 2024 to see if they weren't lying the fifth time they said this like they were the previous four.

[@alexn8219]

@@RN1441 They only gave pyro a concrete release date a single time, after that they abstained from concrete dates and always worded it they 'hoped' to get it out.

[@niall2236]

My unborn child is gonna be so hyped when this comes out

[@richardconway6425]

It is now apparent what "feature complete" meant when it was used to describe the state of SQ42. It was more of a description of what it wasn't, rather than what it was. It was just a different way of saying that it wasn't "content complete". In other words, it wasn't complete. Look up 'sophistry'.

[@DARK_DEEP]

I hate when marketing guys wright annouce logs. They just tryes to slpit community in half, one will defend the game, the other knows the truth and can reed between words

[@RN1441]

Maybe they'd be content complete if they didn't keep redoing all the visual stuff every few months. Gas clouds v7 soon?

[@ddha0000]

i mean............they literally said feature complete means they have made the game but there is lots of polishing, bug fixing and optimisation to be done which will take a good 12 months at least.

[@r.awilliams9815]

I was 55 years old when I first heard about SC. I'm now 66, and SC is still in Alpha. At this rate I'll be long dead by the time they release this...if they ever do. I can't help but think that the developers are living large on other people's money, and why would they finish the game when they're getting paid NOT to finish it?

[@zman_o7]

I early retired when I bought into Star Citizen and now I'm in my 70's so I know exactly what your saying. I do not even worry about it anymore moved on to other games that are feature complete and released. If it ever comes out I will play it if able, willing or even have a desire to do so.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

Because released games make more money than CIG. FIFA makes in one year what CIG accrued in a decade. Basic math shows that CIG would make a ton more cash if they had a released product out.

[@this.is.a.username]

@@Billy-bc8pkyou're on crack. most games don't make what CIG has made from false promises over the full course of their lifetime. ED hasn't come close and it's been a released game for 10yrs now.

[@OlivierMaXZUCCARO]

@@Billy-bc8pkBasic logic on the other hand shows you are most certainly wrong: FIFA / LOL / Whatever battle royale or extraction shooters are games that are appealing to an extremely wide audience and are built around predatorial schemes to make a lot of money over a short period of time. Even tho, Star Citizen is already built like a predatorial scheme for backers, they will NOT be remotely close to the billions in revenue they make in those games. The amount of money we've seen poured in SC by the backers up until now, is mostly at best, the cash flow you will see at release. And I would even expect it to drop. Unless obviously, they're coming up with stupid rotating MTX, lootboxes and gacha mechanics and people are dumb enough to... ho wait, I forgot about who I was talking about. >_< Joke aside: even with the best possible marketing technics in the world, SC won't ever reach "main stream" game revenues.

When this game is released, AI will be doing this type of games but better in an afternoon.

[@omgitsbees]

Chris Roberts statement was wishy washy though in my opinion. They still had no timeline for release, and it honestly feels like it will just hit 1.0 but not actually feel finished and in a release candidate state. CIG also wiped away the promise of releasing with 100 star systems. I am very skeptical about this release and it ever actually happening.

[@Driahva]

I trust nothing that man says. At all. He lost my trust about ten years ago, and I'll believe it when I'm playing Squadron 42.

[@ddha0000]

you can't have a time line for something that is still a few years away at least. anything over 3 months into the future is software dev is just guessing, hence why release dates are just garbage and always get pushed back.

[@jltb5283]

Not holding my breath. Suposed to be 100 systems now 1 - seems like a ways to go. Perhaps by 2099 and a few more billion $?

[@Reoh0z]

It's nice to know that after a decade they're finally thinking about maybe starting to put some time toward planning what they might need to think about to make the game.

[@glennv3176]

I was in high school when I backed star citizen in 2011, I now have children in high school, imagine believing this game is ever going to exist as promised in 2011

[@SGT_Stubby]

So, this is more of a press release to say they know they need to release the game, but still don't have a good release window. We've heard this time and time again from CIG. It's the same carrot with the same stick. Year after year it's been the same "near future" for a release. This is a nothing burger.

[@ObsidianAnt]

But this time it's real. Honest guv! 😂

[@Lucpol1986]

Cannot deny that they are gaining momentum/increasing with development velocity, especially with Teams shifting focus from Squadron now. Simples 👍🏾

[@omgitsbees]

Yeah, they release these statements when crowdfunding is down. A week before this statement came out, people were pointing out that crowdfunding had dropped year over year.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@omgitsbeesThat's because there hasn't been any big marketing pushes since they've been focusing on testing server meshinga nd the replication layer, which is precisely why Chris wrote the letter, because there's been nothing but positive feedback on how well server meshing testing has gone.

[@MaLcH10R]

@@omgitsbees except they are transparent with their financials, as they have to be. And every year they've increased funding, so that's patently false

[@GrahamIsOnTheTube]

Talking about a 1.0 release before we move out of alpha and enter a beta which is supposed to be where we are feature complete and now polishing and testing? 1.0 won't be feature complete so are CIG conflating beta with the 1.0 release? If not, then this is pure spin

[@MaLcH10R]

4.0 is likely to be the beta with server meshing in, after meshing there's not really any major tech holding the game back anymore and it can be the game that was promised. Still a long road because we don't know the scope of the tech, But the fact we're testing it currently means we're a lot closer to 1.0 then ever.

[@tileahey]

“We are working towards a final release” …..cool, what were you doing before?

[@tileahey]

What’s crazy is GTA5 was released a year after SC was announced. We have gone through all of that, GTA6 announcement and potential release window, before SC even gets a beta, just for a “we promise we are working on it, and we’re serious this time”

[@MrSpy13011]

@@tileahey Whats funny is SQ42s supposed to release the same year as GTA 6. A decade of work only to get overshadowed.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@tileaheyGTA 6 doesn't have half the features as the current alpha version of SC, though. So are you saying that it's good that a game takes just as long to make as SC but have less features?

[@phxbadash]

@@MrSpy13011 I don't think rockstar has announce a pc release date for GTA6 and GTA5 didn't release on pc until a couple years after the console version.

[@nebohtes]

​@@Billy-bc8pkUm... you know that everyone here has probably... visited... the... um, 'vErSe... and -- nono, nevermind. I decided you're insane.

[@traestorm]

We've actually heard this all before. To be fair, I haven't read the document and I'm only going by the video content, but all this comes across to me as just another roadmap with differently named goal lines. Even then, the roadmap is a generous name for it considering it isn't written yet and there isn't even a deadline provided to complete it, let alone the game. They don't even provide a timeframe for their next update. The game as been in motion since 2010. 14 years and they don't have a roadmap of the tasks to completion? Give me a break! Blah, blah, blah. Give us dates of STFU until you do.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

Actual development didn't start until 2013; they didn't even have an engine before then, just ideas that Chris was throwing around. And before people say "But wikipedia says..." wiki is not legitimate information. Check the Crytek lawsuit, or better yet, watch SCL with one of the guys who was around since 2012, where he noted they did not have a game or anything in place during the Kickstarter as it was just mock-up assets to pitch the game.

[@traestorm]

@@Billy-bc8pkI didn't say they were coding in 2010. You don't start coding without some sort of plan. "Work" started in 2010 by all accounts. That implies that they took 3 years to determine the viability of the project and come up with a project plan. I could argue, that makes my position on the roadmap all the more potent. Regardless, even if you want to start the clock at 2013, that still 10+ years. I've followed it closely enough to have heard that there was a lot of time dedicated to experimentation/testing of new systems or tech, but again that should have been factored in to the schedule. My takeaway from the video is that this announcement amounted to nothing more than "we hired a new guy to figure out the roadmap and realign our teams. We'll let you know when we figure something out." Ten to thirteen years to get here? There's no excuse for not having more concrete plans today.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@traestormThey do have extremely concrete plans -- a lot of them required tech that didn't exist, which required engineers to build the systems to bring those plans to fruition, like physicalised armour, which is a system that is only available in one other game on the entire market, Space Engineers. Do you know how long it took Keen Software House to optimise and stabilise Space Engineers to get it to where it is today?

[@traestorm]

@@Billy-bc8pk They don't have "extremely concrete plans" at all. If they did, they wouldn't need months to prepare a roadmap. They don't even know what features will be in the "1.0" version! My issue has nothing to do with individual features or feature sets, but if you want to hold up Space Engineers as some sort of example, we can consider that. I'd guess that team started roughly the same time as CIG did but they manages to release it in 2019 - 5 years ago. I'm sure Keen didn't have the recourses CIG did to make the game but they still finished it. Yes, the scopes are different. Scope creep is likely a big part of why they hired a new CTO and introducing the new(ish) role of game director. Regardless, feature sets have nothing to do with my point, which was that we've heard all the claims about roadmaps and plans before. They have amounted to nothing more than hyperbole up to now. If CIG manages to get it together, define a path to 1.0, and release something, great! I'm looking forward to finally getting my hands on it. In the meantime, don't pin your hopes on seeing the game any time soon based on on the content of this letter.

[@fedord01]

Dates for what exactly? What is peoples innane obsession with arbitrary dates?? The game has literally been out and playable for years now. This is how live service games work. There is no such thing as "finished". Its supposed to be an ever evolving project that grows and gets updated over time. Just because you have some moronic misconceptions about what entails a "finished product" is exactly a YOU problem. If you want to play the game, go and play it. Literally no one is stopping you from doing so. Ive been playing it regularly for 3 years now and loving every minute of it.

[@EyesOfByes]

I wouldnt be surprised if Disney aquires the studio and swaps assets into Star Wars stuff. They have the money, but is it feasable? That I dont know

[@danielc9967]

Not with their current code and engine, it was an old cryengine fork, old and outdated even back in 2012, and as edited and overhauled as it currently is, its nowhere near Unreal 5 or even the latest cryengine . To put it simply, they can't build the game with their engine, its not even a matter of time or money, because they have add a lot of both and have literally less than 10% of what they promised to show for it and that barely works

[@oakmen4604]

Disney would be better suited to licensing out their intellectual property to a studio and make a new game from scratch. They're not going to take an existing title and rework it.

[@alexn8219]

​@@danielc9967How do you know they cant build it with the engine, got any source code?

[@_SurferGeek_]

Isn't it a bit early for Fools' Day?

[@BjornCadwell]

It's CIG, they don't understand how calendar works. Coming from a backer.

[@R0d_1984]

Never too early for a SC fools day...

[@BoatLoadsofDope]

I mean it's always been two years away... Since 2014.

[@smoofbrain]

Pfft! The 2012 Kickstarter set the release date at November 2014. Well, for SQ42, at least. Don't remember if it was the same for SC.

[@scrazzle]

@@smoofbrain It was.

[@SGT_Stubby]

A decade and a half isn't too long is it? Lol😂

[@brick-2000]

There are games that have taken nearly as long and came out terribly

[@smoofbrain]

​@@brick-2000 Bruh... "Yes, Your Honor, what I did was really bad, but it's fine because I'm sure someone, somewhere, once did something even more terrible."

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@smoofbrainNothing they're doing is bad, and everything brick wrote is right. Starfield was in development almost as long and is worse in every single way, and worse yet it's not even multiplayer.

[@teekwick]

@@Billy-bc8pk Starfield was in development only for 6 years, what are you talking about.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@teekwickTry eight.

[@bubicus]

So, this news happened... but Spacebourne 2 had their 4.0.0 Early Access release today, showing off way more features than Star Citizen has lately. I think it would be great if you covered that game again!

[@ddha0000]

not gonna lie, it looks really shit

[@I_am_a_human_not_a_commodity]

@@ddha0000It's made by one guy and looks better than something made by several hundred.

[@lights4bre890]

The engine and premade assets are doing alot of the lifting. Unreal Engine is pretty awesome..but when you get to that altitude - around the same altitude StarField ends its takeoff animation and fades to black - so you dont see the ship richochet off the border of the skybox...Thats riiight about the point where you hit your thrusters and get that tunnel vision affect as you boost into space. Thats a Loading Screen.

[@RoninX33]

10 more years guys, 1.0!!!

[@juanumana5688]

I really thought they had made a soft launch already and the product was some sort of early-access game with launch features already implemented. I just hope I keep my 890 jump at launch, would hate to grind for it again.

[@storm14k]

Sooo essentially it's instanced by area with multiple servers aupporting that area and being synced by a mesh layer. What exactly took so long to come up with this again?

[@NickHunter]

if only this guy had been working for CIG, game would have been out years ago

[@Apav1x]

​​@@NickHunter Armchair KZbin commenter cracked the code, it was just that simple all along!

[@storm14k]

@@NickHunter I mean you realize this has been done in a game that not only had to track players, ships and objects but basically everything because it's a builder games and voxel based right? Game was fully released. They aren't stalling because "the tech" is so difficult and novel. They're stalling because if you let everyone in the same server right now they'd overrun the POIs. They can't produce enough content that adheres to the handcrafted checks they wrote to spread everyone out. And truth be told they might not be able to keep everybody from piling up in a few places even in an ED sized map. You don't want the DU parking lot situation and they haven't figured out how to avoid it. But hey what do I know. I've only been an engineer for 20+ years. I'd have taken a decade to figure out standard replication patterns too. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@NickHunter]

@@storm14k I'm not a CIG simp. I'm, just saying IF ONLY YOU HAD BEEN WORKING FOR CIG THE GAME WOULD ALREADY BE OUT!

[@storm14k]

@@NickHunter ok understood you're not a simp but also understand I'm not a hater. I really want this game badly. But over the years I'm seeing the possible flaws in the idea that aren't being addressed and the BS excuses for the amount of time it's been in development. I'm just calling them out. I honestly wish we could all get a community effort going and build the game we dream of because at this point I do believe that CIG is just grabbing money and smoke screening about the advancement of the game.

[@phoenixinvictus9880]

This just in: Star Citizen full release expected in 3025. Half-Life 3 soon to follow.

[@macmusica]

Ah what is a "RELEASE"? Do they know?

[@AKRGR375]

Releasing these new ships lol

[@underlordd]

If they release the game they cant milk people for more fomo ships.

[@stevenkies802]

@@AKRGR375 To be precise, a pre-release purchase "giving access" to a new ship whenever the game actually comes out.

[@zgolkar]

It has always been two years out. The first release was already scheduled to 2014 back in 2012… etc. But you knew that already… we prefer to believe that the current engineering accomplishment is the one -again- and push -again- for 2+ years. At least something changed… now they admit it is a MMO 😂

[@sephiridan5279]

Well, it's CIG. I would hesitate to start using any words like "definitive." Squadron 42 was going to come out in 2016 too . . . and all that. While I do certainly hope to see SC release in the near future, words are just words, IMO. When it really goes live, then I'll believe it.

[@fedord01]

Release? release what exactly lmao. The game has been "released" for years now. Ive been playing it for the past 3 years and enjoying every minute of it. Too many people are hung up on some fairy tale "release dates" not even realizing how live service games work in the modern era. There is no such thing as "finished" or "released" when it comes to live service games. They are a constantly evolving project that gets updated constantly. Just because you refuse to play a damn good space game that literally available RIGHT NOW, sounds like a YOU problem. Want to play Star Citizen? Go head! literally no one is stopping you.

[@wrongthinker843]

@@fedord01 Cope and seethe.

[@tualatindave3797]

I may have missed it, but I don't think Robert's gave an indication of 1.0's time-line... just that that was their next big move after 4.0. So... like me saying I will die sometime after dinner... assuming I don't die before or during dinner, it is true I will die sometime AFTER dinner... maybe many many years after dinner.

[@stevenkies802]

Correction, the next big move after 0.4.0

[@richardconway6425]

That's a great, well balanced, life philosophy you've got there. But, remember to embrace the unexpected, you may instead, develop a chronic disease after dinner instead. Try and bring that into your insightful metaphor for the development of SC.

[@tualatindave3797]

now now... don't get your panties in a wad.@@richardconway6425

[@SeaLion8488]

I love how Chris Roberts just talking about a release version is somehow big news. The Overton window has been moved, a lot.

[@RN1441]

As a day one backer from 2012 I get infuriated when people ignore all the features CIG has sold when asking for money but no longer wants to talk about or deliver. By their reasoning it's ok to bait and switch by selling one thing then delivering something else. 'Hey, I bought in for a four bedroom two bath victorian style house with a balcony and you've delivered a tent with an olympic size swimming pool and a giraffe....' *yeah but the pool is so big it fills up the lot, so it's not realistic to want a house anymore* (This is how I feel when people say they don't have to deliver the modding or dedicated servers they marketed and sold until October 2023 - it's CIG's job to deliver the dedicated server, the end users job to run it, don't feed me those excuses.'

[@adamjones6252]

Heard this all before. The Derek Smart stuff was NINE YEARS AGO and the game hasn’t moved at all since then. 1.0 sounds like it will be kicked out of the door with only two systems. LOVE that they are making yet another roadmap and said there won’t be any other updates until just before Christmas.

[@RN1441]

There are a few sayings from investing when you call something happening correctly but too early. The first is 'the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent' when you see something impossible happening and want to bet against it (e.g. the subprime crisis as shown in the movie 'The big Short'). The second is simply 'early is wrong' which points out the reality that it doesn't matter how right you are on the 'what' if you miss on the 'when'. DS clowned himself by insisting star citizen was going to fold in to a black hole in '90 days tops' and then showed what a deranged narcissist he is by insisting he wasn't wrong for the next several years. He's almost guaranteed to be right that whatever they eventually release will be a gross disappointment compared to what they've said they are making, but he's embarassingly wrong on timing and too awful a person to say 'I was completely wrong on the timing.' Trusting him for information is as dangerous as trusting Chris Roberts for information.

[@adamjones6252]

@@RN1441 shortly after the 90 days thing they got a cash injection of 40 million from venture capitalists and then went on to continue milking whales for hundreds of millions of dollars which was pretty much unprecedented. SC is a story of hubris, stupidity and gullibility. Now it’s becoming Shroud of the avatar - CIG are going to shit something out and call it done in a bid to escape their liabilities.

[@lights4bre890]

Starter packs generate the big bucks - not whales, though they wont turn down any dime. Wont beg for it either i paid $45 dollars for a starter ship pack. I later upgraded the ship but by the time i did i had to scroll and scroll through my list of ships when i wanted to call one to the hangar - all bought with in game currency.@@adamjones6252

[@alexdai9024]

I think the most important part is that they finally said not all features will come out with the "release version" from the start, which means they are actually trying (ikr? 12 years passed and they just realized) to pump out a stable version to build on. Probably in 5 years with 3 to 5 systems?

[@caaront]

Plagued with bugs and missing most of its planned content. It is not even close to being ready for any type of release for years. I was in the PU tonight for 3 hours and and 2 of those hours were wasted due to time consuming bugs and I lost over 800,000 aUEC to bugs. I doubt the general public is ready to deal with any of it.

[@Kris.G]

Tell me lies tell me sweet little lies Chris....

[@lanceobe6801]

Amazon this game has been in development when people were still going to blockbuster video

[@nebohtes]

I don't need to watch the video to know it's somehow still... two years away. Ansfer da Cawl, amirite?

[@fedord01]

So in other words, we are two years away from being two years away.

[@AerodeonThorne]

Where’s all the money gone? It’s not been used on the game. You can see that when you play it.

[@lights4bre890]

Studios in 5 countries, 1,000+ employees, turning a 1990's era game engine into a world record holder, inventing Dynamic Server Meshing and getting Squadron 42 to feature complete, for starters

[@Herbertti3]

December 2029, mark my words.

[@nebohtes]

Seems optimistic...

[@drink15]

I’ll start playing again once they stop with the wipes. I hate starting over.

[@quantom6]

It's been almost a year since the last wipe

[@StuartGT]

@@quantom6 there have been partial wipes since the last full wipe (3.18.1), which unfortunately cause random ship/equipment loss. CIG think they have resolved that issue for the next major update, but full and partial wipes will still occur until the SC 1.0 launch

[@epicshade3463]

@@quantom6 You signed up for that the moment you bought into Alpha.Hence why many havent played a lot but are wanting the game.

[@Howl-Runner]

​@@StuartGTlol what I haven't played the tech demo in over a year. And I have the same amount of uAEC and equipment. I mean, at least your grand children will be able to play the full game.

[@kendokaaa]

@@epicshade3463 Lmao if they had told people who bought in early that it would take all this time and that there wouldn't be much playable for all this time, nobody would've bought in at all

[@DeepStone-6]

The new carrot on the stick, LET'S GO white knights assemble!

[@Renvah]

It's not the first time they talked about full release. Actually the first time was back in 2012 I think in Kickstarter campaign. We all know how that end up.

[@Henkkanen]

Yeah, right

[@AnnahHinman]

I will not even remotely believe it until it actually happens

[@ivanputignef2418]

My most spontaneous reaction to this is: "Yea, right..."

[@trivalentclan-mizar9591]

I got a bridge to sell…

[@ratmanwarhammer]

I'm glad you said "We have to sift through some of the bullshit" cause that's exactly what goes through my head when reading stuff like this

[@johnhooton8299]

So reading between the lines, all the features that the player base has access to now will somehow be reduced to enable the release of the full version, "1.0" then added in at a later date? most likely in the form of paid DLC, very clever stuff, as if they intend to have one server per system etc and depending on how many systems are going to be in the game that in itself is one lot of upkeep and potentially 100s or even 1000s of servers a lot of future outlay that will have to be paid for somehow?

[@lights4bre890]

Reduced? ..are u kidding? do you know how much is going to get added over the next year alone?

[@wrongthinker843]

@@lights4bre890 "The flight model is crap but you get fully interactive persistent clutter objects!"

[@monkeybarmonkeyman]

You think NMS got spanked on their release, wait for this final release. .maybe CR is not doing well and simply wants it done before he is no longer able to do it?

[@MrZenzio]

Saw "2271" somewhere in all that text. Sounds like a reasonable year to expect it.

[@ryanorionwotanson4568]

My thoughts too 😂🤣

[@Sarsour_]

Awesome content!

[@cmdrls212]

That server meshing tech looks like it is worth the wait. 300 players per shard is a good first step to even have viable multi-player in 2024.

[@caaront]

OA, I have never heard you say the word bullshit, this video was the first time I heard you say it, but it was the perfect video to say it in.

[@Diggerless]

I'm nearly 55 - I guarantee I'll be long dead by the time this thing is released . . .

[@R0d_1984]

Same,, been waiting since 2012 was hoping for a follow on from freelancer now i'd go for an update to Freelancer Like Home world and starcraft have done, something that would run on a 32' 2k monitor(and other modern hardware, Win10/11 And Linux)...

[@BjornCadwell]

Speaking of pyro, from what ive heard you need to WAIT for the jumpPoint to open if youwant to go there...i hope itll change.

[@phxbadash]

that was a placeholder mechanic because the test was run with the current live build that is stable. when the actual jump gates are put in you will fly through the wormhole manually

[@thebaron6481]

So from 100 solar systems to only 2 at release? 😂

[@wrongthinker843]

We're still two years out, they'll have time to cut it to 1.

[@Cramblit]

My child of the wife I haven't even met yet, is gonna love playing release.

[@Kellett781]

All I know is that when they showed the full trailer for squadron 42 at the last con, you could easily see massive frame rate drops and if CIG doesn’t have anything that can run their own game clean, I know I will never have a PC that would run it or SC clean.

[@StariMojE]

I'll believe it when they actually do it.

[@madddog7]

NMS eventually came thru. 'course that was just a couple of years and a team of a dozen-ish. SC scales up on money and teams and fails on the time line. Something really wrong with this.

[@vasilizaitsez7455]

If v1.0 is actually released, no more wipes, the grind and progression now matters. Hard to commercially release then later wipe any Rep, Cash, Items accrued to support additional features as was done throughout Alpha.

[@lights4bre890]

Wipes wont be a thing past the 1.0 release. They are ultra rare now.. when was the last one 3.18? the next scheduled wipe is 4.0 and that will be over 1 year since the previous one.

[@Rybc]

Keeping in mind we were promised Pyro i 2020 and we still don't have it. Any discussion about full release is perpetually premature. Their entire business model is uncapped scope creep to promote enough hype to sell more jpgs of ships that are not even in game.

[@becksvideoproductions]

I am really enjoying, and have been for years, the current version of the game. Features are coming online in what seems to be a faster and faster pace. The technologies required for this games multiplayer experience in several solar systems are, after years in development, starting to come online, so things are looking promising.... However, Chris has never ever hit a target in a timeline and has significantly shot past many, so I will just keep enjoying the current journey.

[@kangaroo4024]

starting to think Star CItizen is like Nuclear Fusion, always just a few years away

[@etchasketch222]

That Calder's investment's deadline is coming up where they might cash out for that the millions they put in. It's a now or never moment.

[@Robert-rt9ho]

The one thing that stopped me playing are the wipe once they promise no more full wipes then I’ll come back

[@TheCriticom]

It's a bit like Cold Fusion always 30 years away

[@bastiontec5572]

We will believe Chris & Sandi when it happens. Might take them few more years.

[@cedricksusername]

It's the Duke Nukem Forever of space sims

[@freekeess9245]

Was going to through my doubting comment in and '2 years away', then saw I got beaten to that by so many others. You know, I would love for this game to get 'released' and 'feature complete', but I still just don't see it happening.

[@jodofe4879]

What I am reading from this is no 4.0 this year. Just like last year. Presumably, if 4.0 was close they would talk about it more. From what I can glean, server meshing needs a lot more testing and that alone is going to take months.

[@hawkzulu5671]

3.23 enters the test server next week and has the replication layer/30k recovery built into that version. 4.0 IS coming this year with Pyro and static server meshing

[@nebohtes]

Sweet summer children.

[@simoncoweII]

😂 - one emoji is the only effort anything to do with Star Citizen is worth

[@kevinmeunier1770]

Im glad to see everyone noticed the bullshit.

[@Ploskkky]

I believe it, when I see it. I am only interested in the single player game. And no pre-orders EVER again.

[@Blade8749]

CIG won't ever release SC, the Company will eventually go bust and be bought out by some enormous publisher, They'll cut the game to shreds and release whatever is feature ready. Just like Wing Commander.

[@TheCriticom]

How do you know that?

[@MrSpy13011]

Nah.

[@Sif3r]

​@@TheCriticombecause crowd funding will keep dropping, Roberts won't be able to scam anyone anymore and keep his lavish lifestyle afloat, so he will sell the company and star citizen rights and everything that comes with it for an absolute fortune and finally retire and hopefully never come back to gaming....ever. Also because this is what always happens.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@Sif3r The opposite has been true for the project for the last half decade. So nothing you wrote is remotely grounded in the reality of the project's development.

[@Sif3r]

@@Billy-bc8pk how does Chris's winnet's taste? Got any between your teeth? Because YES, it is 100% true and YES, you're 100% deluded. How much have you given him? Couple o' grand?

[@kruchy7816]

This game is " Neverending story " in developing.

[@NickHunter]

This game is Artex, in Never-ending Story

[@trivalentclan-mizar9591]

SE Fans have already deployed the planet per server concept. Nexus Space Engineer servers consist of multiple SE servers, with direct transition between them, some have one planet per server, and separate regions of space on different servers. Some even have multiple servers per planet. Some the concept is not unique to SC.

[@hawkzulu5671]

How many billions of square km are the maps? can we drive ground vehicles up the ramp onto my dropship and fly across to another moon, storm a facility held by other players by air, ground vehicles and people on foot? Do they use procedural generation, loading screens etc to 'simulate' travel - or are the ships physical objects traversing space. The scale and the scope are what sets this game apart.

[@ImBarryScottCSS]

Pyramid scheme says one more recruitment drive and we'll pay everyone. Sure guys.

[@GeorgeNoX]

2025 seems realistic for SQ42 release IMO, and then sometime after that we can probably expect SC 1.0 release i would say in 2026. In SC latest alpha testing they have been testing out server meshing tech and jumpgate testing which was fairly successful and once that is full resolved i expect fairly rapid development after that because server meshing really is their last big hurdle they have to overcome. In 1.0 i expect the current star system + pyro and then all the star systems that are featured in SQ42 like Odyn. I don't think all promised 100 systems will come out in 1.0 version but those can be added in later game updates once the base game is live

[@Katz2001]

wow....they are actually talking about pushing towards release...I didn't think that would happen with Chris roberts running the company...

[@mightylink65]

The game isn't even 10% of what was promised, if they release it now the reception would be chaos...

[@dariusgray5845]

I was thinking the same thing like what do you mean full release? We still in one system and hoping we don't get 30k and server errors just to play. 1.0 launch is gonna be a nightmare

[@beardedlonewolf7695]

And still buggy as hell, there's no way 1.0 sees the light of day before 2026 sadly, so this "talk" is pointless.

[@yous2244]

Well most of what they promised is already here except for 120 systems but they had different plans back then, they wanted Star Field systems, not anymore

[@yous2244]

@@beardedlonewolf7695 well they are planning 2026 or 2027 so don't know what you're on about

[@stevenkies802]

Feature creep ensures that the goalposts keep receeding into the distance.

[@derelictdogma]

every time I try it out, it either runs great and I get to play it for a bit, or runs like a slideshow, the patch to patch game optimization is absolutely terrible would like to see that fixed before they talk about full release

[@Castodas]

seems like if the server meshing can be locked down (more or less)- and it sounds like there is actual progress to that (correct me if i'm wrong), then they can finally start focusing more on the other game elements like economy and hopefully we could see a snowball effect for other things. although it sounds like master mode has been somewhat polarizing to the community. i would hope they can find a suitable middle ground for that. so it seems a lot of "features" have yet to become fully realized. maybe with server meshing and economy all the other elements like trading and combat can reveal what they need to be complete.

[@DrMarcB]

I really thought I would be playing this on Mars

[@dsagent]

This is a pretty long letter but like Obsidian said it is filled with a lot of fluff. I don't know about this year but leaks were saying 2025.

[@scottromesburg7935]

Official Release??? Could it be?? As I've said before, this will be the benchmark to beat...once it Officially releases.

[@in-craig-ible6160]

I'm sure they've talked about it before though...

[@or10nsharkfin]

I get it. Changing engines to take on a different branch of CryEngine, struggling to get dynamic server meshing working, and above-all prioritizing the release of Squadron 42 to release ASAP before they finalize features for Star Citizen takes a toll on development time. The vision got way out of hand as it went further along and we're really hurting for more features even this long since the start of Alpha testing. Here's hoping moving developers over from Squadron 42 will actually help them build a proper release product. But, as a current backer and consistent player over the last several months, I will believe it when the version info says it's 1.0 on my PC.

[@docdockin6325]

10 yrs Later 1.0

[@MrLarsalexander]

Well, fixing the crashed ships in a hangar/landing bay could be done by suspending that "level" from loading for clients on the reason of maintenance over X amount of time. If every ship has a Unique "Call sign" when claimed, it could be put to recycle after the ship is totaly destroyed. And the call sign and hangar, landing pad/bay are made unavailable until solved. A landing pad could get a no fly zone around it that make your ship deviate when to close, and state that you are trespassing. Even get security set up a perimiter and block players from getting to close. Same applies to space stations and so on if attacked. Jamming quantum jumps, and setting up security to block routes and even track jumpers to then intercept them.

[@blacksheepwall79]

Lemme guess, The letter says Squadron 42 is "Two Years Out" the same as it has for the last 10 years. And the "Full Release" should be in four years.... Same as they have said the last 12? Sounds legit.

[@Zero0Slash]

you should've published this on Apr 1

[@this.is.a.username]

still in alpha and talking about 1.0 release :D

[@Wylie288]

Thats how all games work. Beta is literally feature and content complete. If you don't plan anything about your gold version before you hit beta you are an absolute failure of a dev team.

[@this.is.a.username]

@@Wylie288 except they're not *planning* anything are they.. "just a few more years, this time we mean it" same talk, same scam. go buy that man another boat.

[@zulwe]

I was able to play the current iteration only once, in 2016, TWO computers ago. Three of my kids have gotten married, and I have three grandchildren. Now I can't even get it to finish downloading the update. I will, before the end, solemnly charge my grandchildren to tell THEIR grandchildren to play the game. If it ever releases.

[@blindazabat9527]

In short: a new roadmap. Keep the dream - or the goose that lays the golden eggs - alive.

[@bogdanrotaru6101]

where is the VR?

[@fredashay]

It's encouraging that they're talking about full release 1.0. But they still have a few major milestones to meet first: Dynamic Server Meshing, at least a significant number of the 100 systems they promised, and all the ships brought up to the "gold standard."

[@Billy-bc8pk]

Gold standard for ships is supposed to take place with 3.23 with components and master modes. Dynamic server meshing testing is taking place over the next few weeks, since static server meshing has been a success. The 100 star systems is negligible, since those are just art assets.

[@fredashay]

@@Billy-bc8pk You think modeling entire planets, whole cities like Area 18, Lorville, and New Babbage, with their associated transit systems and space ports are just "art assets?" Granted, once SQ42 is done and dynamic server meshing is working and they have everyone working on new systems, they should be able to crank out several systems a year, it'll still be a few years before they have enough systems to release the game.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@fredashayIt all depends on the complexity of the landing zones, assuming every system has one. Remember, some systems are giant and empty -- it takes them literally minutes to generate a planet and moon with unique biomes and atmosphere using their Planet Tech V4 (and soon Planet Tech V5 post 3.23). Not every system they add will need a landing zone as full as New Babbage or as complex as Orison. Some will be simple like Levski, or others may be similar to the stations in Pyro. So in that regard, yes, some of the systems will have places that are just mostly art assets with copy and paste object containers for landing zones, depending on their design. It typically takes them between six and eight months to do a complex landing zone like Lorville 2.0 or New Babbage. With more people and teams freed up, they could have a handful of teams working on landing zones per quarter, so technically they could get out between two and six solar systems per year, depending on complexity/simplicity.

[@hawkzulu5671]

@@fredashay Stretch goals pushed it to 30, 40, 50 then 100 star systems - but back then a 'system' was going to be a skybox like arena commander or Starfield.. no physicalized, landable planets, no getting out of ships in 1st player perspective - etc. When they decided to rebuild the game engine to make it capable of more than the couple dozen players on 16km x 16km maps that were its limits when they got Cry/Lumberyard engine they didnt reduce the number of solar systems, instead they went to work on making the tech and the tools to allow fully physicalized solar systems with real travel from A to B instead of loading screens and/ or procedural generation to simulate travel like StarField, Elite, No Mans Sky...etc CitizenCon 2023 Star Engine set a new world record with the longest spline travel EVER captured in a game engine at 6 billion km. and the same day unveiled the 1st working prototype of Dynamic Server Meshing in game engine history. Now that Squadron 42 is feature complete that 80% of the staff that was assigned to Squadron 42 is coming back over to SC and they will have the tools and the tech to build Multiple star systems because the other puzzle piece CIG was working on at the same time is Planet Tech V5.

[@oakmen4604]

​@@hawkzulu5671are you forgetting SQ42 episodes 2 and 3?