Relationship Expert Reacts to RED FLAGS in TWILIGHT

In part 2 of our... takedown? of Twilight, we investigate: Is Edward a pedophile? Or merely an abusive, controlling, manipulative stalker? In case you couldn't tell, we don't much like this guy.
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker, and unlicensed filmmaker Alan Seawright dig in to the 2007 megablockbuster TWILIGHT to figure out whether you should emulate Bella Swan and Edward Cullen, move to Forks, Washington, or just buy a steel drum full of body glitter. Also, what to do when someone who is 86 years older than you sneaks into your room to watch you sleep. (hint: don't fall in love with them.)
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Written by: Megan Seawright, Jonathan Decker and Alan Seawright
Produced by: Jonathan Decker, Megan Seawright & Alan Seawright
Edited by: Alan Seawright
Director of Photography: Bradley Olsen
0:00 Start
0:13 Edward courts Bella the way Batman terrifies criminals
0:30 Welcome to Cinema Therapy!
2:15 Bella has no agency in this story
5:01 Bella is a deeply stupid person
6:46 Edward courts Bella the way Batman terrifies criminals
8:00 Terrible message for impressionable viewers.
9:10 You don’t want to date a fixer-upper.
13:07 I don’t care that you’re a murderer
16:14 The correct way to watch Twilight: in reverse.
17:43 What if Jonathan calls his wife “Spidermonkey?”
18:07 When is it okay to watch people sleep?
19:03 Not the take you use in the edit
19:28 Co-dependency is not great
20:54 This movie is Attack of the Clones, without the cool stuff

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Hi everybody. Several of you have pointed out insensitivity on our parts calling Bella "a moron" and "an idiot," suggesting that these insults could be taken as our views towards anyone in an abusive relationship. We apologize. Our frustration is with the writing and the character. Real-life victims of abuse and neglect are NOT idiots or morons. Very intelligent, capable people are manipulated, hurt, controlled, and used every day. We'll try to be more mindful of what we say. Please keep in mind that Twilight brings out the worst in us.

[@rebekahtinker9486]

Are you planning to do 50 shades of grey at any point? It is an original fan fiction of twilight but I found any disbelief I could suspend over twilight...I couldn't over 50 shades which I found truly disturbing.

[@bllaboo]

This is an OLD one but you should do Grease!!

[@zenaasura1769]

How sad that you guys need to apologise for this. I really don't wanna live on this planet anymore. There's nothing to apologise for for giving valid criticism about shitty writting turned into a hot pile of garbage of a movie.

[@lmlafromboys]

I haven't had the chance to read all the comments but what I think you guys are missing is the author. Stephanie Meyers the author of all the twilight books and the host is a Mormon. if anyone bothered to check into the goings-on and the teachings of the Mormon faith you would find that the way Edward is towards Bella is exactly the way that most Mormon men are towards there forever wives. I am not defending Stephanie Meyers in any way shape or form nor am I applauding this series of books... Mormonism is a very deeply rooted faith and children of Mormons are taught from a very early age that the men have all the say so, they go with their women shopping they hang back and keep an eye open make sure no one follows or stalks or does anything derogatory or untoward to their female family members. and yes it does seem like he's either a pedophile taking into account his actual age and or he is a stalker a very controlling one and yeah that is exactly how most Mormon men act towards their women be it their mother their sister their aunts their grandmothers... the men of the Mormon faith will basically follow and be there to help out or to most onlookers it looks like they are very controlling and they are compared to what the rest of us grew up with faith wise in our Lutheran or Baptist or Catholic churches the Mormon faith is very very alien to the rest of us but keep that in mind that's why it was written that way and that's why Edward comes off in that light because Stephanie Meyers is Mormon.

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

@@lmlafromboys it may interest you to know that Alan and I are both Latter-day Saint, and we would argue with pretty much all of this. We certainly don't follow our respective wives shopping (only got one each, contrary to popular belief), nor do we have all the say so (quite the opposite). Our wives are strong, independent, no-nonsense career women who can take care of themselves. My father honored my mother, deferred to her, and treated her as his equal. Which, by the way, is what we learn at church. So much of what I learned about respecting women came from observing my parents marriage and that of my grandparents. It's a reason we oppose Twilight so much. It's our culture reflected in a funhouse mirror. We certainly take issue with certain aspects of our culture and history (we're both very LGBT-supportive, for instance), but what you're describing is not our lifelong experience.

[@aneta3098]

As a victim of a horrible person, I have to say that watching two men talk about toxic and horrible men is VERY therapeutic.

[@gerardomiranda1491]

I can see that

[@Grace4ever22]

TOTALLY AGREE

[@kaleidoscopingwe]

truuu xD

[@AP-ek6by]

Agreed 🙌

[@deborahhanna9126]

Sarcasm.

[@leshejulies3527]

Bella Swan is the physical embodiment of the "this sign cant stop me because i cant read" meme

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Omg. Nailed it.

[@galactic_worm6393]

Lol 😂

[@XxEmpty_EscapexX693]

XD omg...she is tho...

[@rioisnotokay-ipromise-6115]

Yess exactly!!

[@juliarunn5009]

This made me lol 😂😂

[@boolaidman2735]

"He courts Bella the way Batman terrifies criminals" Aged absolutely beautiful

[@Reisboy_PhD]

and now Pattinson IS batman XD

[@RiskoPlexus]

Damn, so he’s been training for the role for years 🤣

[@Ba-kt6ju]

Yeah someone saw this video and was like “what a great idea!”

[@sketchygetchey8299]

SWEAR TO ME!!!

[@bittersprout3694]

There's one thing courting and terrifying someone have in common: *_BOOST THE ADRENALINE!!_*

[@yakone1379]

I think the whole relationship is built upon the fact that Bella's life was so miserable and boring that she was willing to literally flirt with death just to get a spark of happiness and enjoyment. She was too desperate to see how messed up Edward was, all she saw was that he was a hot vampire who could turn her into one and bring a change in her stale life.

[@dreamwishergirl]

You nailed it.

[@mr.stuffdoer8483]

Pretty sure this is the plot of Monogatari from Hanekawa’s perspective.

[@MamaMOB]

She was a teenager. All teenagers lives are miserable and boring. They all flirt with death. You’re trying to make her special when she’s not. That is the main problem. An entire generation of people who aren’t special trying to make themselves special. Stop doing that!

[@bun334]

@@MamaMOB Literally no one is trying or making Bella special, OP is just explaining what could be the cause of Bella's attraction towards Edward.

[@pandakicker1]

@Bla Bla If that is having a fit, then I would hate to see what you think an actual fit is. xD

[@devakibhagwat6146]

"He courts Bella the way Batman terrifies criminals" Yep, this was just his Batman audition

[@wafflechest3555]

Whoa, what a revelation

[@milllzz05]

lol

[@nataliadowner3896]

HOLY CRAP BRAIN BLAST!

[@SinHurr]

PRESCIENT!

[@Impasta007]

😂😂😂😂 years ahead of his time

[@fortyseventhronin]

The most romantic thing a boyfriend ever said to me: When I told him, "I can't live without you," he replied.... "I don't want you thinking like that. I want you to be okay with or without me."

[@noa-ix9pe]

Daamn I'm not exactly a fan of traditional "RomAnTic" stuff but..... This. This kind of relationship would be exactly what I would want. This is beautiful and I hope you and him are happy (whether you're still together or not) ☺️

[@RissaFaith94]

I've said this (the boyfriend's side) to friends before. Like, it's great that you appreciate me and that you feel like I'm a positive influence in your life, but I'm human. I'm mortal, and apart from that, not all relationships of any nature last for life. I don't want someone I care about to be so dependent upon me that they couldn't function if something happened to me or if we parted ways. I would want them to be happy and fulfilled with or without me in the picture. If someone you know is actively trying to convince you that you need them and that you wouldn't be able to function without them, that is a problem and NOT a mark of true love. (Side note, this is why I personally hate phrases like, "No-one will ever love you like I do." Most people probably just mean to express that their love is so strong they can't imagine anyone else ever matching it, but what it sounds like to me is, "I am the only person who will ever truly love you, and if you think you can find anything better outside of me, you're lying to yourself," and like... that is such a narcissistic and potentially toxic message to communicate to someone you supposedly love.)

[@nicomoist5336]

This is why healthy romance is HOT!! XD as a pansexual, I want to preach this to the heavens! yet people still dont get how bad stuff can be ;-;

[@candidlyopinionated19]

That is better than the entirety of romantic movie quotes out there.

[@theofficalsilentraven]

Okay that's cute!!!

[@chilihana]

another huge red flag about edward is the way he describes her peers, people the exact same age as her, as children. it just really emphasizes how old he really is and the fact that their relationship is pretty much grooming. Twilight works better as a horror story of a girl completely deconstructing who she is as a person just so she can be desirable for this perfect being she puts on a pedestal, who in reality is just some creepy old guy with the face of a teenager and the lust to literally kill her.

[@z_bennet4208]

underrated comment. and its like he is stuck at 17 even tho hes a literal grandma.. so immature. theyre both so toxic. if there wasnt any vampires and werewolves shit the story whould have a lot more backlash. honestly i enjoy watching this series for fun but whenever i do it just makes me fucking sad. two people in an unhealthy relationship because theyre so lonely and desperate?? nourrr

[@Sandwich_People]

That sounds pretty not legal to me-

[@julio.dealmeidabranconeto5831]

That actually sounds like the plot for a pretty AWESOME psychological horror movie.

[@Vinemaple]

This is really well said.

[@jayak8217]

Yup, twilight wouldn't have happened if Edward wasn't so pretty. Turn to any page where they're together in the book and all she can think about is how perfect he is. If she'd met him in his true form, a 103 year old man, or even if he just looked like Mike, a regular teenage boy, she wouldn't be so enticed. Bella in the books is extremely shallow, it's difficult to re-read the books as an adult.

[@Lakker94]

"Three words. Three life changing words" Call the police. "Consent is key." Oh yeah that too.

[@mazugui18]

🤣

[@angela_aubrams]

HAHAHAHAHAH

[@Sandwich_People]

“File restraining order.”

[@julio.dealmeidabranconeto5831]

"DUMP HIS ASS".

[@jalejablonsky2396]

Be the Walrus from Ren and Stimpy: call the pooollliccce…

[@raisindawn7467]

When Edward is a red flag but Bella is colorblind.

[@dmndmnans1441]

hahaha thats a good one

[@Saydie246]

Isn't red-green colorblind the most common kind? I think she just mixed up the flag colors.

[@nataliadowner3896]

LMFAOOO

[@flyingwind66]

My favourite quote about this is "When you're wearing rose-coloured glasses, all the red flags just look like flags"

[@ally_defrates]

When you try your best but you don’t succeed

[@_vnv.vnv_830]

I HATE when movies romanticize odd behaviors and stalkerish behavior like “I’m just looking out for you”. That’s not cute. That’s a huge red flag.

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

YES!

[@tinselPixie]

Not to mention the number of popular pop songs on the radio that precisely delineate stalker mindsets."Every step you take, every move you make..." one of hundreds.

[@RikoZerame]

@@tinselPixie "Every Breath You Take" is SUPPOSED to be creepy and unhealthy, though. It's not Sting's fault people are playing it at their weddings like the weird, breathy horror-movie-inspired terror of it all isn't there.

[@amjthe_paleosquare9399]

@@RikoZerame Stranger Things got it right (the Mindflayer)

[@mittenvonscrufflears7233]

Bella's thoughts: "WELL, THE COLOR RED ALSO SYMBOLIZES LOVE!"

[@evanmorris6057]

To quote from this film’s Pitch Meeting, “Bella’s like a bull. She just sees a red flag and runs at it!” 😂

[@andreasmeelie1889]

Very cleverly said!😂😅

[@Firebender554]

“He courts Bella the way Batman terrifies criminals.” The Batman’s casting crew: WRITE THAT DOWN! *WRITE THAT DOWN!*

[@CynderSpirit]

Batman crew draws a rocket ship.

[@lindseysquire8417]

Edward? Abusive and manipulative. Jacob? Abusive and manipulative. Bella? Naive and impressionable. Charlie Swan? A KING

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Couldn't agree more. We're team mustache-dad all the way!

[@misspriss2482]

Nope. Charlie disabled Bella's car so that she couldn't go anywhere simply because he suspects that she might sneak off. I don't think so. When Edward does the same thing, we are conditioned to not have a problem with it because her dad did it. That was Charlie's one flaw.

[@lindseysquire8417]

@@misspriss2482 In Charlie's defense, Bella isn't exactly good at life. I mean, the two guys she's closest with are manipulative, creepy, and borderline abusive (Jacob literally assaults her at one point, and Edward sneaks into her room to watch her sleep). She isn't really able to keep herself safe, because she's very naive. While I do think that's an overreaction and that he should never have done it, I also don't really consider it to be as bad as Edward or Jacob.

[@therealfinnaspring8585]

@@misspriss2482 well i mean he is her parent and she is being rebellious is a parent not allowed to take any measures to keep his child in check/safe? There is a different dynamic. Like your parent has the right to take away your phone (if your a minor living with them) as a form of grounding but no a romantic partner is not your parent and shouldn't be "grounding" you. Like parents can parent and take away their kids car.

[@defiante1]

I would add manipulative and abusive to Bella's list of traits, she isn't so naive. She knows what she is doing when she threatens to kill herself to stop Edward leaving or begins putting herself in harms way to gain his attention. She also repeatedly tries to emotionally manipulate him when it comes to getting what she wants, from him dating her to trying to convince him to sleep with her and turn her. She is not even close to a nice or good person.

[@AH-tu3km]

"he's protective of her without her consent" FOR A YEAR NOW I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR THESE WORDS BUT MY BRAIN COULDN'T COME UP WITH THEM THANK YOU.

[@heatherlee2967]

this!!!

[@Amelia-zh5vw]

Exactly. And it would be one thing if he was a friend of hers and they hang out and THEN she gets into a tough situation and he becomes protective. But him just hanging around in the background until he decides she's helpless and needs him and then jumping in is just...creep city.

[@elsadunand208]

Sounds like me ex whinused to tell me things like "I don't care if I'm hurting you as long as j can protect you !" Wich drive me crazy because protected of what ??? High school ?

[@AH-tu3km]

@@elsadunand208 "I don't care if I'm hurting you" is a big red flag, I'm so glad you got outta there.

[@givemeprimelaughter]

Still wrong. He isn't protective he is outright possessive

[@killerpussy84]

Okay, hear me out. As a teenage girl, the thing with the "you have a problem - is it my fault" really was an issue. That stuff was ingrained in every single girl's mind I have ever known. (Well, maybe one or two where it wasn't and they did get problems because of that.) And it STILL happens today. A girl gets raped, the immediate reaction is: what was she wearing? Was she attractive? Did she act "reckless"? Girls ARE framed to think like this. And THAT is why so many females could identify with or understand the character of Bella. *Because this is literally what we were brought up to.*

[@legzfalloffgirl5148]

I completely agree with you here, especially since I was recently dealing with a stalker and was told, "with how you dress it's little wonder this happens to you." I think their concern is that this way of thinking is never called out and is seemingly endorsed by the film

[@Xehanort10]

@@legzfalloffgirl5148 People who say women who dress nice are asking to be stalked or raped piss me off.

[@Idanuhh]

Took me so long to realize this & im still working on it. Had an ex sleep outside my house ‘cause I refused to sneak out. 16 yr old me was colorblind but 25 yr old me is forever grateful I ended that. Tbh, I wasn’t a green flag at that time either tho 😅

[@itsallaboutthatbass8558]

@@Xehanort10 Nobody says that thankfully. They say women who dress slutty are asking for it. Huge difference.

[@Xehanort10]

@@itsallaboutthatbass8558 They're not asking for it either though.

[@Kathryn0126]

Girls are told all the time "he's mean to you because he likes you" then society acts surprised that women think it's normal to be abused in a relationship meanwhile that little girl she used to be is whispering "he's so mean to us! Look how much he must love us!"

[@DiamondsRexpensive]

Word! That's the truth.

[@ppslayer6128]

Edward can actually read her mind, she's just having no thoughts. Head empty.

[@meandmysisterlife8902]

😂😂😂

[@notky848]

Literally

[@ponyo3724]

thoughts spaghetti

[@alesbianhotmess]

Actually he can't. She has weird powers that means vampires can't use their special talent things on her. My mom watched the movies when i was growing up so now i have the knowledge stored help.

[@ponyo3724]

@@alesbianhotmess yeah i actually have the books, like the whole 5 books (still regret asking my aunt for them for christmas). and she, conveniently, has this weird ability that prevents edward & the other vampires' abilities from working on her.

[@mmaannggaa]

'He courts bella the way batman terrifies criminals' 'well he's gonna play batman' best moment of the whole video jajajaja

[@topshotta_gaming9558]

Twilight in a nutshell lol

[@anthonyyxd3899]

How you gonna type in english then laugh in espanol

[@matthewfoster6651]

@@anthonyyxd3899 "Laugh in espanol" is now my favorite quote of 2020

[@mmaannggaa]

@@anthonyyxd3899 as Ron Swanson says "I can do what I want"

[@nevaehb.4371]

This was so glorious.

[@sarahblum2506]

Thank you for talking about the whole "vanilla" thing. Something I realized in current YA novels is that the sex is almost always rough and you as a reader are supposed to like that because its considered "grown up". As opposed to "vanilla" and things that are considered "boring". Wtf is wrong with wanting to feel safe and okay and good and protected...?!!

[@ekkehard8]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that! Not only does it sound optimal, it aligns with how most guys communicate love as well

[@kappadarwin9476]

I think its because porn never shows any of the things you listed. Since a lot of people get their sex knowledge from that, it leads to awkward sex scenes.

[@dorsalfin22]

When you have read books like that for YEARS before actually being in a serious relationship and having intercourse...man does that have consequences. I had ridiculous expectations for what sex was "supposed" to be like and that significantly affected how sex was enjoyed for me. Even now, and it has been almost 10 years since reading books like these. Not saying they are bad, but they should not be seen as examples, which I am glad they say repeatedly in these videos.

[@Vinemaple]

There are so many horrible and creepy YA novels these days. I used to work in a library, and I actually watched the children's librarian's gray hair count double as she tried to overhaul and modernize the collection.

[@Amanda-cv7vn]

And loved . It's supposed to be physical intimacy not just fking

[@purelightapologetics4930]

About half the lines the main character guy said should trigger a 911 call: "I've killed people" "I wanted to kill you" "I'm thirsty for your blood" "I've been stalking you" "I snuck into your room while you were sleeping" I never read these books or watched these movies, and I have no regrets

[@bonnieparkertheoutlaw7353]

And trust me theres a whole lot more in the movie than just that. Sooooo many things he says is disturbing

[@melissabarbosa-gx7np]

Nothing to regret. They're all terrible.

[@noduckshere]

Lots of people (including myself) watched them for the laughs, not to take them seriously 😅. They’re fun if you watch them that way but I understand why you might have no regrets…

[@MsFloweroffire]

Well, Jacob has consent issues, Edward is a stalker, Bella doesn't have a personality and they all think grooming is okay.

[@dracomalfoy4679]

I will defend Bella in the book tho, since I think it was Stephanie Myers intention to write her like that, so that others could see them selfs as Bella or something in that line. It works in book in a way because of that, but it just makes the movie weird. In a movie, you can’t visualize yourself as Bella, so it just becomes boring and dull. That’s my thoughts though:)

[@jadynwilliams2255]

Nah I've read through most of the book. Bella is really rude, she's just subtle about it

[@never5618]

@@dracomalfoy4679 i get it more in the book, but there are still soooo many problems with it

[@dracomalfoy4679]

@@never5618 exactly!

[@marzipanmerci1068]

@@dracomalfoy4679 wait, Draco Malfoy reading muggle's romance novel? Is it for research purposes?

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

Is nobody going to talk about how Ed is saying "I'm actually already a reformed vampire -- I'm just afraid you'll trigger me to relapse," and Bella just goes, "Well, that's a risk I'm willing to take." It's like the example you guys give of your date telling you they're a recovered alcoholic, but she just keeps chasing him with a bottle of vodka telling him she trusts him. No respect for boundaries from either of them.

[@correanne5366]

wow, 'word'

[@rosekopelowitz5069]

SAY IT AGAIN FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK.

[@shaktiashok07]

That part

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

@@rosekopelowitz5069 "It again for the people in the back"? ;)

[@r.altman6458]

Oooo, good point.

[@fangal12]

That scene of Edward and Bella in the woods confessing that he's a vampire never fails to make me laugh out loud. It's one of the most unintentionally funny scenes in recent movie history😅

[@Xehanort10]

It's him saying he has a killer's skin, sparkling and it being treated completely seriously that does it. You're expected to take it seriously but you can't.

[@kingrichardiii6280]

A vampire desperately trying to intimidate a young girl away... does a poor spook impression: "i want to kill you. you are a drug, my heroine"

[@Vinemaple]

Glad you could laugh at it. For me it goes way beyond that level of bad into near-lethal territory

[@LouShirley]

I saw someone describe them as disco era vampires. I can't help but think that every time I see them sparkle 😂

[@godpilled9077]

I lost it when he called her a spider monkey

[@aliceahsenayan1980]

"Edward courts Bella the way batman terrifies his victims" AGED LIKE WINE

[@reynaavilaramirez-arellano8468]

"We haven't even touched Jacob yet. And neither has Bella." Me: *slowly closes laptop*

[@Seems_R]

Hahahaha dead

[@awolf2393]

Unrelated topic; I've noticed that your profile name is the character from the Heroes of Olympus book series.

[@reynaavilaramirez-arellano8468]

@@awolf2393 Yup!

[@awolf2393]

@@reynaavilaramirez-arellano8468 I honestly think that Heroes of Olympus is better than the Percy Jackson books. Just an unpopular opinion though. 🤷‍♂️

[@reynaavilaramirez-arellano8468]

@@awolf2393 I agree! I especially liked going from different characters perspectives.

[@barryallen2240]

E: "I want to murder you" B: "I trust you" Any sane person: just starts running

[@notky848]

🏃🏼‍♀️ 💨

[@sxukablajt6299]

🏃🏽‍♀️✨

[@solitaryadventures9273]

As if you could outrun him!

[@myheartwillstopinjoy8142]

@@sxukablajt6299 I imagined bella running away and stars appearing behind her 😂

[@pebbellz]

Edward: You could never out run me. Also I really want to kill you. Bella: That's cool with me!

[@laranienkemper1298]

"Watch movies with your brain turned on" This phrase just speaks to me. When I was about 14 years old I watched Pretty Little Liars the first time. And because of Aria and Ezra I seriously thought dating a teacher was okay. Actually a friend of mine had a crush on a teacher at that time and I encouraged her. It was so stupid 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@LouShirley]

That's terrifying l! I hope everything turned out well ❤

[@laranienkemper1298]

@@LouShirley yes it did. It's not like something happened between them. Even though I supported her I had enough sense to keep her from trying anything. And that teacher would have never engaged in a relationship like that. In the end we both grew up. She got over him and I started to question what I saw on TV😂

[@LouShirley]

@Larankmpr Oh good 😂 Yeah, TV has such an impact on teenage minds. It's scary how it could influence a lot of us. I cringe at how naive I was as a teenager

[@Langley_Ackerman19]

​@@LouShirleyHey being honest about still makes you a better person. You don't grow up by not accepting the mistakes you made in the past. Kudos to you!

[@LouShirley]

@@Langley_Ackerman19 Thank you 😊

[@Sei783]

To be fair, Bella is only attracted to Edward because that's the gift of charm Vampires have over their prey. He tries to explain this, but she won't back off.

[@quietvalerie1]

Plot twist: Pattison as Edward was just training to be Batman.

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Totally! Keeping his eye on the ball, that one.

[@geonunes10]

Or maybe the new batman movie producers used his performance in Twilight as his audition.

[@milkmanmcgee6683]

Training to be Batman by being a vampire

[@geonunes10]

@UCbqRnB1ptMnup7iS0YDojyg yeah, he does give a Terry maginis vibe, too bad he won't be able to use his courting/intimidation skills.

[@ziv_tendoora]

There’s ‘Batman Ninja’, so why shouldn’t there also be ‘Vampire Batman’?

[@persefoniajax]

Jono: We haven't even touched Jacob yet, and neither has Bella. Me: *spits drink*

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Mwahahaha! YES!!!!

[@tonichan89]

Can’t wait to see you touch Jacob next!

[@fanofallthings7099]

500th like!

[@nijntje3601]

''it's actually better if we play it backwards, because she would be moving away from him. We just figured out how to watch Twilight!'' *bursts into flames from laughing*

[@pivotguydc1149]

The whole "as if you could outrun me" thing really bothers me too because with such a power imbalance, Bella really cannot give consent to anything in their relationship. Thanks to his superpowers, things are the way they are only because he lets it be that way. She cannot possibly reject his advances if he was determined to get his way, ever. With this implied coercion or threat, none of her decisions can be her own. That could never make for a good relationship. I'd like to see this explored more in superhero movies, ngl.

[@singingofsilver]

A superhero story where the hero is dating a civilian but the civilian can't get out of the relationship because of a severe power imbalance and media pressure to be a perfect darling couple and even if they managed it they'd forever have a reputation of being the person who broke their golden hero's heart and potentially be osterised from society for inadvertently breaking down the perfect image the public holds of their beloved saviour? Yeah, I'd read that.

[@pivotguydc1149]

@Silver Sing I was trying to come up with ideas for a sequel, you did all the work for me

[@angelasmith3037]

Well he was trying to explain how dangerous he is at that point. He never intended to take choices away from her. He kept trying to get her to leave him because of that. In Midnight Sun, he thinks about it and wants to make sure she always has a choice.

[@dflaming1371]

Running through the parking lot He chased me and he wouldn't stop Tag, you're it Tag, tag, you're it...

[@r.t.8737]

I bet people have already said this in replies to you (I haven't opened them yet), but um... Megamind. What you're looking for is Megamind. Edit: Apparently I'm the first person to point out the film Megamind for this concept. Wow. Was not expecting that. XD Anyway, if you haven't seen Megamind yet and you want to see a toxic superhero trying to use his powers to force a non-superpowered human into a relationship with him and lashing out when she still resists him, you're looking for Megamind. It exists and it is so fucking underrated as a film. I'm pretty sure Cinema therapy themselves did an episode on it too. Like, I agree, I'd love to see MORE films explore it and in different ways too (Megamind was a kid's film and therefore rightfully restricted in what they could show, and Hal was portrayed as a shitty guy in the narrative long before he got superpowers handed to him), but at the very least we do have Megamind.

[@danielclark653]

My grandpa told me to think of marriage like building a house. You don’t want to build an exciting house. You can put exciting things in the house like TVs or pools but you don’t want the house itself to be exciting. You don’t want a moat with sharks around your bed. You want your house to be comfortable and somewhere you can go to feel safe

[@Jiji_here_431]

Grandpa spitting facts

[@erinbathie-moore8478]

This is the perfect analogy for a good healthy relationship

[@misslady2639]

That are some wise words

[@cdorothy444]

Marriage as team work 👍🏼

[@apologeticministry]

Yep but you still need to build your house on a strong foundation or it won't stand God is our rock and our fortress

[@cWjkL8ysxOkrH66]

the whole population of Forks: uhh Bella that's a red flag... Bella: red as in... the color of love? 😍😍

[@mxrielk]

omygosh kskskskskksksksjsjsjsjsj😭😭☢

[@joannavelez5179]

No, red as in murder!! RUN BELLA RUN!!!

[@justhana6453]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@wilson8979]

OMG 😆

[@keletube951]

I saw these red flags 🚩 at 11 when my school bsf showed me this torturous movie... I've seen Twilight once (that time) and New moon 🌙 (once 2) ... not of the others and never again.

[@gabigirl80]

The first time I heard the "I can read every mind in this room, apart from yours" I laughed so hard.... Poor brainless Bella.

[@taylorsmith4005]

My parents didn't allow twilight in the house, I was in high school when it came out. I was a bit of a sheltered kid, but watching twilight as an adult, I am SO glad they didn't allow it! Not just cuz of the vampire stuff, but I would have beloved this is what love looks like! Way too toxic.

[@kingrichardiii6280]

Hell i was practically dragged to it lol. movie night on the weekend and after learning this movie is pretty much a venerable teen girl getting into a love triangle with a 100 year old dead guy and a wolf... my brain shut off.

[@DaydreamingArtist322]

A tumblr user once asked: “Did Edward ever stop and think that maybe he couldn’t hear Bella’s thoughts because she didn’t have any?” Another one replied: “I’m just imagining Edward trying to read Bella’s thoughts and hearing the dial-up noise.” Edit: I don’t remember which tumblr users said this. Could someone please tell them how popular their comments got on youtube?

[@Xehanort10]

Edward tries to read Bella's mind. "Connection not found."

[@kitleydefelice865]

Haha yeah that's exactly what I thought when that came up 😜🤪

[@LadyCoyKoi]

I was thinking of the tone noise that old internet modems use to make to dial a connection. 🤣

[@vicvza]

bella's the embodiment of "head empty, no thoughts"

[@chrisj8244]

@@beeticket really? You do that too

[@flicker_system]

I can only imagine how stupid Robert Pattinson felt while he was saying Edward's lines "Your blood... It's like a drug to me." Like I would die of embarrassment if I had to say that.

[@hariman7727]

Rumor has it that Robert Pattison HATED Edward, and that Robert tried to put all of his contempt for the character into his performance on set.

[@breezy3392]

@@hariman7727 I believe it

[@louisejohnson6767]

Hey, we all have jobs we don't care for. Do you think I enjoyed cleaning toilets in a bar when I was younger? Some jobs are better than others, whether it's acting or being a janitor.

[@flicker_system]

@@louisejohnson6767 I never said that other jobs weren't horrible

[@DH-gq7bm]

@@hariman7727 he did hate Edward, he only did it for the money

[@perrilewis180]

Twilight was giving them so much anxiety that what I assume is now a licensed therapist dog materialized to comfort them

[@kappadarwin9476]

Twilight commenting on a Twilight video, interesting. ^^ Yeah Twilight reminds me of a vampire book I was read, the main character was so negative I couldn't get pass the third chapter.

[@lemonsoda2940]

One time in highschool I went to a slumber party with a group of girls I'd just met that year and they suggested we watch twilight. I thought they meant it in a trashy tv way cause I'd grown up watching bad movies with my sibling because we thought they were hilarious so I was actually really excited. About halfway through the movie I'd already made a few snide comments about the movie and a couple of the girls there started saying things like "omg Edward is so romantic he's my dream guy." And it just got progressively worse until I realized I was trapped at a spend the night with a cult of Edward obsessed highschool girls. It was terrifying.

[@Dani_33]

Deyum 😂 I can only imagine the slow seeping terror

[@DiamondsRexpensive]

I laughed out loud 😂

[@bridgetc.6313]

Fun Fact: Robert Pattison HATED playing Edward because of how sick of a character he is. So yeah, no need to worry about Pattison's family.

[@SmileyFace123Lolz]

Yeah, he acts the part of creepy so well, that I felt like that's def how he views the character Edward. It's so uncute and obvious, that I was like, there's no way he wouldn't notice how he's coming across. So it must be intentional. So I have no worries over Pattinson or his fam. 😁

[@aclassicgarden7065]

he literally said he'd rather play cedric, A DEAD CHARACTER than edward and i think that's funny af

[@soysaucerb]

"When you read the [Twilight series], it's like saying 'Edward Cullen is so beautiful I creamed myself'. I mean every line is like that. He's the most ridiculous person who's so amazing at everything. I think a lot of actors tried to play that aspect. I just couldn't do it. And the more I read the script, the more I hated this guy, so that's how I played him, as a manic-depressive who hates himself. Plus, he's a 108-year old virgin, so there's clearly some issues there" -Robert Pattinson

[@aclassicgarden7065]

@@soysaucerb LMFAO WHAT A KING

[@idontknowanymore9966]

@@soysaucerb robert pattinson is how i want god to be like

[@jeef669]

When you watch twilight in reverse, it's a heartwarming tale of a guy who dances with a dying girl at prom then compassionately donates the blood she needs to save her life. Then they have fun playing baseball and watching each other sleep and in the end they realize they're better off as strictly lab partners.😊😊

[@bluesira]

👏👏👏

[@mandarinablue8438]

I love this. You is a genius

[@flipflopy8538]

😆😆

[@bellamckinnon8655]

Haha, oh man

[@babysharkdododooo3122]

I'd watch that movie

[@mehigananne4962]

My college held a special screening of twilight for a health class and at the end we had a group discussion about aaaalllllll the red flags that Edward was flying the whole movie. It was amazing. We did the same thing with 50 shades of grey two months later because the twilight screening was so popular. And 50 shades was originally a twilight fan fic 😂

[@user-mm7fx7jh5v]

I think guilt plays a role in getting with a "bad boy"... You can see them hurting, despite the toxicity, you can see their actions come from a place of hurt, and if you're anything like me, you'd feel an obligation to make them feel better. I've fallen into this trap in a platonic friendship, let me just say that no one is worth sacrificing yourself over. If you're in the freezing ocean, get on the damn plank. It sounds harsh, but it's worse to look in the mirror one day to find a miserable stranger staring back at you. Be "selfish" enough to aid your own survival before you lend a hand to others.

[@kaedancesteele8311]

My favorite fanfic was that a reborn Bella tells Charlie she has a stalker. Restraining order filled and story over. It was like three to five paragraphs. I laughed so hard.

[@mintyfresh2357]

Lmao I love it do you have a link?

[@itspribanerjee]

This i would love to read

[@dorkywhovian1018]

@@mintyfresh2357 Legittt tho I'd love to read too 😂

[@crumbystuff]

OMG IVE READ THAT ONE!! It’s so good😤

[@Milenia_]

Link?

[@May-qb3vx]

What’s that Bojack quote? “When you see the world through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags.”

[@thedoorlessvoid]

I love this quote but Bella wasn't really seeing the world through rose-colored glasses. if anything, she had mental issues of her own and her childhood wasn't great. there are a lot of reasons as to why she felt so drawn to him

[@May-qb3vx]

@@thedoorlessvoid True. I just love the quote and its relevant in so many things in life. Really the point was, she wasn't actually seeing the red flags that were literally everywhere. Her character annoyed me anyways. TBH all the characters in Twilight annoyed me except Carlisle and Alice. lol

[@scoutmiller8200]

I actually clapped. I put down my laptop and clapped just then. I need that on a poster

[@wanderingtrombonist7244]

I misread Bojack as Bjork and was VERY confused

[@NoMind93]

This is even more creepy when you consider Bella is only 17 and Edward is 104

[@FridgeChic]

@18:00 I'll never forget, some guy in the theater yelled out "creeepy" at the perfect time 👌 soo true, even when I enjoyed them I recognized the problems. Now it's hard to stomach them.

[@0l._.l0895]

The only time she makes her own decision is when she chooses to keep the baby. The baby who ends up with her kinda ex slash child hood best friend. God I don't know why I like this

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Hahaha! Again, it's okay that you do like it! Alan can't get enough!

[@notamy5432]

She also made her own decision when she told Edward in the third book that she wouldn’t give up her friendship with Jacob to make him happy which was great all the way up to the point where Jacob then proceeded to sexually assault her twice so... the book doesn’t treat her making her own choices well.

[@breezy3392]

@@notamy5432 And Bella herself still treats Jacob assaulting and manipulating her as if he's done nothing wrong. I always hated how she never held anyone accountable, yet blamed herself for everything

[@tamistitt1004]

Yea her ex slash best friend who wanted to kill her baby for revenge,even though it wasn't it's fault. And he actually would have done it if he hadn't imprinted on Renesmee!Then Bella would wake up having to go through all that for nothing.

[@notamy5432]

@@breezy3392 I mean it is annoying but I can also see why that is, everyone around her basically gas lights her into thinking it’s not a big deal, after Jacob forces himself on her the first time her sherif father basically pats him on the back and low key threatens to arrest Edward for being the first and only one in that situation to be rightfully angry on Bella’s behalf. The second time Edward is weirdly blasé about it and even comforts Bella with the fact that he wasn’t really going to kill himself if she didn’t kiss him so don’t worry about it.... I’m not surprised she doesn’t jump to blame him considering no one around her really gave her that option

[@meggiebondy6224]

Edward: *I'm designed to kill...* Bella: *I don't care* Audience: *WHY?!?!?!?!?!*

[@leigh-anjohnson]

Seriously, at that point she didn't even know if he was actively killing

[@humanbng7123]

She should have seen him hunting and eating a raw animal

[@twa.t]

Edward: **exhales loudly**

[@karinland8533]

She does not care because she is depressed and suicidal

[@disappointed8759]

@@karinland8533 what does that have to do with anything?

[@InedibleMuffin]

20:20 "You supplement me, bro. #swolemates" I have that etched into my brain now, never to be erased.

[@unit38421]

I think it is important to get a bit closer to the distinction between entering a relationship with someone who has flaws and someone who is a “fixer-upper”. The rough distinction can be made through this question; Can you accept this person as a romantic partner as they currently are, or would you enter the relationship only because you want a relationship with who you think they could be? Everyone has improvements to make, and when you are in a relationship both in individuals need to grow in order for the relationship itself to progress, but the relationship often necessitates and determines the direction of that growth. However, if you are not able to accept the person in their current state, that is probably a strong indication that you should not enter a relationship with them

[@heroofthewinds7765]

This line from Screen Rant's Twilight pitch meeting describes Bella perfectly: "She's like a bull. She sees a red flag and just runs at it!"

[@Xehanort10]

So many red flags in Twilight you'd think it was a bullfight.

[@heroofthewinds7765]

@@Xehanort10 So true😂

[@noveltea9593]

That's one of the best pitch meeting episodes! 🔥😂

[@thewerewolfoffeverswamp7171]

Here’s my issue as soon as Edward confesses to be a vampire, her little butt is like make me one and he’s like no for good reason and I mean he’s not forcing her into anything he’d regretfully bow out if that’s what she wished. She is so infuriating to me because she doesn’t respect his boundaries I mean ok? Yeah he watches her when she sleeps which is weird but then again, he’s a freaking Vampire. He tells her he won’t turn her but she keeps begging him to do so, I mean I can only imagine how constant that argument is, then when it comes to his agreement with one condition and that’s to marry him because that’s what she “Wanted” to be with him forever and ever right? But then she complains of old age which just makes her completely selfish and honestly I find Bella annoying, manipulative and emotionally unstable, I mean the poor guy was trying to chase her away from him in the first place because she’s human because in his world she’d be in danger, but Bella is like YOLO. I don’t have sympathy for Bella and I’m not saying Edward is without fault but calling Edward abusive is way too far of a stretch

[@heroofthewinds7765]

@@thewerewolfoffeverswamp7171 yeah Edward did stalk and try to control Bella a lot in Eclipse but Bella kept trying to pressure him into things he didn't want to do. Both of them are not good people.

[@YashaVatrushka]

"I cannot read your mind" bella's mind : *elevator music plays in the distance*

[@HowdyItLovll]

Head empty, no thoughts

[@Xehanort10]

Her mind is probably an elevator where the power cuts off, the cables snap and everyone in there hurtles to their deaths.

[@Ashley-Lopez]

@@Xehanort10 I'd say her mind is an elevator that's always wonky and real fucked up and everyone questions why it's still there/why it's not removed.

[@marigeorg1322]

Have you ever thought about, what’s going on inside their head?

[@daniboy4153]

Her head is just TV static

[@coralisenunez1966]

I once dated a guy and had a Bella moment he goes I’m an a-hole I’m like I don’t care….. 6 months worst relationship of my entire life. He was abusive and a textbook narcissist. Ladies when a man tells you he’s an a-hole please believe him and run. 😅 Good news I’m single as a Pringle and I got a dog I named Karma. 💜

[@theiammike123]

*"He's eeyoring his way through the script."* 💀😂

[@anime_golum]

"I like watching you sleep" the MOST classic stalker line

[@j-j8984]

Ya know, it's only cute when you actually live together, or tend to stay over at each other's place and tend sleep in the same bed, but not when I wake up and you're sitting on my dresser when I didn't even know you were in my house

[@snowbird1381]

Why does he enjoy that tho???? Did he think that girls sleep like sleeping beauty? Like does she not fart or snore or toss and turn while sleeping??

[@tiph3802]

@@snowbird1381 he doesn't sleep, but now I'm just thinking of every time Bella absolutely ripped one and cackling!

[@akodaah13-e32]

lol, that is not romantic or cute, that is fucking creepy, like... WTF BRO?

[@misslady2639]

@@snowbird1381 Or drooling or talking in her sleep XD

[@evanrigel954]

"as if you could fight me off" as someone who was sexually assaulted by someone I considered a friend: NOOOOOOO

[@HunterLvyiXIII]

That's what I was thinking "well, that got r*pey real fast..." as a r*pe survivor: OH HECK NO

[@bb-ih9hg]

same

[@sweetie_babie]

Sadly same. A lot of these movies are really rapey and just kinda hide until something like this happens to you or you know what to look for

[@spookyho5994]

Omg I’m so sorry :(

[@AshleesBathroom]

I feel this comment and I wish I didnt. That's the sad part.

[@KT28818]

What you said about how that girls boyfriend treated everyone but her horribly reminded me of some great advice I got years ago when I was dating (before I was married). Watch how who you’re dating treats their family, because those are the people they are usually the most comfortable with and also the ones who deserve their love and respect.

[@Sada-xg9ew]

I actually liked how she couldn’t even formulate the thought he presented of being apart, it stressed their codependency even further. As if he told her the dumbest thing ever and she couldn’t begin to process it rationally. Her brain collapsed at the mere attempt of understanding him. Thumbs up from me, self proclaimed professional analyzer.

[@maclikescartoons]

"Just a couple months" Yeah just breaking into her house and watching her sleep for the past couple of months, no biggie.

[@J4ME5_]

Seriously.. I stopped the video just to comment this.. I knew someone else found this to be.. a TAD extreme

[@maclikescartoons]

@@J4ME5_ Just a tad.

[@helenetrstrup4817]

It's fucking creepy and that is putting it mildly.

[@unionfire]

Aw, you don't think it's kinda cute and quirky? (I'm being sarcastic of course haha)

[@stitchncoffee]

Again context. He's a vampire and he doesn't sleep. Plus it's all make believe. So yes no biggie bc it's not a real person. It's pure fantasy land.

[@Ella-bg2ve]

Fun fact: Robert Pattinson is a normal person…… he hates twilight just as much as any of us

[@arianewinter4266]

now he is batman, it ws all woth it for him ^^

[@undeadprincess5726]

I haven't watched the movies or read the books, but I like to think he said these creepy lines to ruin the movie, but the producers liked them and it stuck.

[@mariannaortiz2426]

I remember he said it is "so 2010 to hate Twilight". He said in People.

[@Deuteromis]

I used to hate him, then I saw his interviews while making these films.

[@inthemoonlight7668]

Yet he was fine with the money he made. I'm not a Twilight fan by any means but actors trashing movies they were in because they're embarrassed or to stay relevant or whatever makes them extremely unappealing.

[@PeriwinkleB]

“Swear to meee…oh, sorry.” I had laughed for a good 3 minutes at this before I could finish the rest.

[@uncertain_zee]

Okay, as someone who was in a codependent relationship, that "a lot" moment with Bella in the hospital honestly feels incredibly real.. when they threaten to leave or whatever it completely feels like you're going to die. I think she played that wild desperation pretty damn well.

[@elizabethgatchell4546]

Movie: plays for 5 secs John and Alan: that’s toxic and unhealthy, don’t do that it’s not worth it.

[@MrsStinnnsfire]

I mean they're not wrong lol

[@elizabethgatchell4546]

FACTS

[@breezy3392]

Can we talk about how great Twilight would have been as a horror novel with a vampire pursuing a teenage girl who has no way to defend herself if the author had actually framed this abusive relationship as an abusive relationship. Edit: I'm watching the likes on this increase by the day. Wow. Thank you. I will update as I work on this. Let me know what you'd like to see in this Twilight As A Horror Story

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

That would have been SOOOOO much better!

[@breezy3392]

@@CinemaTherapyShow Now I'm tempted to write exactly that just to spite Twilight 😂

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

@@breezy3392 DO IT! We'd read it.

[@bethbaxter2891]

I’d have loved that

[@breezy3392]

@@bethbaxter2891 Working on it 🦇😁

[@villalba874]

I always thought Edward was trying to scare her so she stopped pursuing...But she had the fight or flight responce turned off.

[@annabohatka8597]

I always hated other girls acting like this dysfunctional and badly written romance was somehow beautiful. Now I have therapists and screen writers to outline exactly why LOL.

[@xxangelthebearxx]

me too! there are literally girls at my school who still think this kind of relationship is alright, when it's not. it makes me sad

[@ravencoleen]

“They’ve become co-dependent” Oh sweet Lord they’ve already discussed the plot of the next movie 😭

[@wafflechest3555]

Oh god that won't end well

[@MaidMirawyn]

“You’re a drug to me.” Kids, don’t do drugs. Especially not the murderer-boyfriend type. IT IS NOT SEXY AND COOL!

[@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722]

Thank you for reminding me why Kuai Liang is an assasin but takes no pride in it unlike Bi-Han. But I kinda believe that love gets in the way is kind of a strech

[@jaydoespunk9097]

Well, partially true. Cannabis and hallucinogens like LSD are quite safe as long as you don't try to drive high or some dumb shit, but I mean yeah, obviously not for kids, much like alcohol, except alcohol actually has nasty longterm physical, emotional, and relationship effects while weed and mild hallucinogens have generally no known harmful side effects and tend to alter the users' mood and thinking in a quite positive way, even after you're not high anymore. Anyway, kids shouldn't do drugs, but that doesn't make some drugs not helpful to adults and I just wanted to make you aware of that. Have a nice day!

[@dapwproductions8630]

Don't worry i don't go for those, i like a sweet and kind himbo better

[@thesilverblader6714]

Don’t do drugs. They’re too expensive!!

[@neveyya]

i always wonder what he thought when he got the role of edward after playing cedric in harry potter

[@Vinemaple]

I've spent years repeatedly trying to get several of my female friends to stop defaulting to the assumption that every problem is their fault or a symptom of something that's wrong with them. It works short term, and they appreciate my support, but I guess there's something in our society that just reinforces this unhealthy idea that everything that goes wrong in every interaction or relationship is the woman's fault.

[@gaia7240]

We have been told this since elementary school if you think about it, the boy is bullyin you? It's your fault for being around him. Middleschool: boys are molesting you? It's your fault for having boobs

[@Langley_Ackerman19]

Huh? Nobody thinks that where I'm from. Is the USA really this deep into victim mentality? It's so tiring 🙄

[@honeycomb937]

i went on a couple dates with a guy and ended up not being into him. to no fault of his own, i felt horrible about it and like saying no to being his girlfriend would make me a tease or something (don't worry though, i let him down easy, it's fine 😅). basically i agree with you... it shouldn't be girls' fault, but for some reason it always is.

[@melissascott6112]

Um, yeah. Especially when you come from dysfunctional homes (or abusive ones). Watch Barbie, then critique. Thin, but not too thin. Strong, but be sure to let your man feel like a man. Smart, but not smarter than him. In control, but not controlling. A leader, but not bossy... My mom literally told me in 7th grade that I should be quieter & participate less in class because I'd never get a date that way.. And then in 9th grade when a date tried to assault me, she told me it was, of course, my fault because I must have led him on, and honestly what did I expect? Take one look at how women who have come forward for sexual assault, harassment, being threatened, etc. are treated in the press and by powerful men.

[@Vinemaple]

@@melissascott6112 We can never be good enough for our society's gender ideals.

[@shawn576]

Twilight wasn't disturbing because it had a depiction of a horrible relationship. It was disturbing because people genuinely did not see it as awful. This was one of those once in a lifetime things where you see behind the curtain and understand how damaged many people are.

[@beast6213]

“Three life changing words, words to live by: CONSENT IS KEY.”

[@taviebrown2271]

Consent is like tea.

[@emberfreespirit8507]

@@taviebrown2271 And remember, unconscious people do not want tea

[@gamiket628]

@@emberfreespirit8507 especially if it's roofied. That's a no-no

[@bea._.3565]

Omg you know that too!!! I thought it was only people at my school that has watched it😅

[@FREAKOFNATURE-mb8oo]

Hahahah, stupid *_stupid_* Apollo.... (It's a Webtoon thing)

[@ilikebeanies3499]

Remember, no one hates Twilight more than the actors in this film. XD Just look up any interviews where they talk about it, and you'll understand.

[@petrifiedviewer]

My favorites are the ones where Kristen is always trying to toe the line between saying what she was paid to say and saying what she really wants to say.

[@porcelainpup]

Expect the dude who played Jasper apparently

[@nightflame2037]

@@petrifiedviewer ooooh where can I find those?

[@theblackbaron4119]

I'm not sure if Taylor aka shark boy upgraded by starring in that movie. His career took a continuous nosedive.

[@terra_the_nightingale135]

@@porcelainpup really? I always like the dude who played Jasper and the girl who played Alice. I found them, Leah and the Avatar Vampire Rami Malek the most interesting characters. Never thought the guy who played Jasper would like the movies tho lol

[@abookishwitch5118]

Seriously thank you both for pointing out the horrifying abuse being romanticized in this franchise. It's so harmful to us all.

[@mg3kiryu1]

0:04 the Batman reference was excellent foreshadowing lol

[@gwyngwyn_2416]

Ikr I was literally thinking “oh the irony”

[@e29g10h96]

"Lust is not love. Attraction doesn't mean it's right." WELL SAID

[@louisejohnson6767]

I had a friend who stated once that love and sex were the same thing. I explained to her that love is an emotion, whereas sex is a biological function.

[@e29g10h96]

@@louisejohnson6767 aaaaahh i love that!!! I'll use it in the future... Jeje

[@PmpknHead]

@@louisejohnson6767 I’ll definitely use that as an asexual

[@brandyjohnson738]

@@louisejohnson6767 that makes no sense to me cuz there are a lot of people who have sex just to have sex and do it with people that they literally probably could get up and kill.

[@AnekoFoxx]

What scares me about Bella and Edward's relationship is that there are real-life people that think this is the ideal relationship, that if you do not do what Bella and Edward does, then you do not truly love someone. It's terrifying that people have idealized unhealthy/abusive relationships as true love.

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

YES!

[@jorgebersabe293]

@@CinemaTherapyShow It all boils down to the fact that those people don't feel valued in real life. They are sadly so desperate for validation and acceptance that they would mistake abuse as love.

[@asobimo5532]

I mean in the books some actions were expained since it had fantasy element with magical Vampire powers, but when you take that out of the eqation, yeah he's just a stalker. But then again in the book if I knew what was about to happen to me, I would take Edward following me anytime of the day (or in this case night) if thst meant he saved me from a guy that was about to rape and then kill me. Because in the books Bella wasn't close to the book store or anything, if Edward hadn't found her, welp this book would have ended a lot quicker.

[@victoriat8922]

@@asobimo5532 I agree but it's still creepy he was following her because it's not like either of them knew that would happen. Like yeah, if I knew someone would be in trouble and need help I'd follow them even if it was creepy, but he didn't know that. He was so obsessed he was following her just in case and it only kinda looked romantic because this was the one time she actually did need help.

[@Kasiarzynka]

I actually wonder if they think stuff like that BECAUSE they saw/read it in... EKHM... MASTERPIECES like Twilight, or if MASTERPIECES like Twilight tmjust brought that out, like providing them with a well known example of what they think relationships should look like. I have such a like-hate relationship with Twilight myself. Like the world Meyer set up could be a framework for a fascinating, smart fantasy story. But then combined with your typical fanfic-like level of bad writing, and idealizing abusive relationships, it's just a no to me. BTW I think I subconsciously view a story in a better light if all the stuff around characters, especially main characters, aren't there just to justify a plot convenience. "Stuff" being family, friends, hobby, work etc. Like having Anastasia in 50 Shades work in that publishing company or wherever she worked so that her boss can abuse her, people can praise her and Christian can buy the company so he can control her etc. Or Tessa in the new After movie - she becomes an intern in a publishing company or whatever the heck that was just so we can have her boss tell her "you did a good job cleaning up that desk that no self-respecting company would ever allow to exist, now pack your things and we're flying to wherever on a work trip so we can show nothing of your work to the audience but instead get you drunk so you can drunk call your abusive ex boyfriend". Like wtf. Or having a character play piano just so they can do the "you can't play piano, let me show you" **awkward kinda hug from behind and then they kissed** The world around a person is not just background noise to a relationship, it's a valid part of that person's life on its own omg I can't-

[@minxxd]

It’s sad there are actually girls like bella out there who are so easily manipulated by abusive men like edward.

[@Analysis_Paralysis]

Abusive men in real life are way more toxic and dangerous than Edward, to be honest.

[@syra1541]

yeah but definitely don't want to victim blame here,

[@rachelmcdermett4484]

I used to think like this until I ended up in an abusive relationship myself. Almost married the guy. All I can say is, read up on emotional abuse and red flags BEFORE you get in a relationship, because it is scary how fast someone can deprogram you, no matter your personality type.

[@bondocena6654]

Abusive men are assholes, while Edward is just a quiet weirdo that appears to be brooding.

[@ramencat788]

@@rachelmcdermett4484I’m happy you dodged that bullet but now that you say that, that should be something girls are taught at school along with being taught about periods. There should be a relationship segment and what looks healthy/unhealthy. And your “deprogramming” point is bone chilling because it’s unfortunately so true.

[@Michelle-hl5yc]

I work for a domestic violence resource organization and the section talking about the high risk of abusive partners escalating is So Important.

[@Intrainanis]

This series is a tragedy. By the end Charlie doesn’t even recognize his daughter. She’d joined a cult and had been turned into a monster.

[@Your20droid]

The only sane character in the series

[@Your20droid]

@@LondonBlue Literally.

[@technounionrepresentative4274]

i just felt bad for him the entire time, he tried, he actually tried

[@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722]

@@technounionrepresentative4274 And he might have possibly given up on her for good

[@ioanzatui]

It also broke my heart that he loved her so much and tried so hard for her, and she was like, "Oh, I suppose it'll be hard when he dies, but I'll have Edward, so oh well." My dad is the most important, loving, supportive man in my life, and I know that relationship will change when I find someone to have a romantic relationship with that I end up wanting to spend my life with, but he will always have a huge chunk of my heart. He's done so much for me my whole life, and continues to, and I know he always will. I know he'd do what Charlie would do and more in a heartbeat, and I know that one day my dad will be gone and that thought scares me, so the fact that Bella has such a blasé view on never seeing him again and living without him (and at one point the plan was to make him believe she died prematurely and shatter his heart and she really just glazed past that like she didn't give a shit) really blows my mind. I'll be honest: Charlie deserved a better daughter and family. Bella was a seriously selfish, one track minded little bitch and always brushed off just how much he did for her like, "Well, he wasn't there for me as a kid," as if she CHOSE to not see him even for holidays and abandoned HIM despite his best efforts.

[@gracemccann5293]

The whole thing is shot like a horror movie. Camera angles, color scheme, the plot...

[@Kimmie6772]

"You came in through the window?" "I like watching you sleep"

[@kanikagaral7637]

Thats what the cameraman or someone in the crew trolling the books and the story i think.

[@Hoganply]

That's fairly appropiate, since Twilight _is_ a horror movie. lol

[@estephanymatos8192]

The lines too

[@jamesmcarthur1229]

A film about Vampires and Werewolves? Surely not

[@CasperOliver]

Adults often told me growing up "what Bella and Edward have isn't love, it's infatuation and obsession". Which is so dang true

[@aliyahpulido953]

0:23 We are less than 30 seconds into the video and we've already found Robert Pattinson's audition tape for Batman that he would get to play in the 2022 movie, "The Batman." And Jonathan is exactly right, Edward used tactics to terrify Bella away from him ON PURPOSE... so HOW and WHY in the HECK would she still want to be with him? Other than how "stunningly gorgeous" he is, what is so alluring about him? (This isn't me throwing shade on Pattinson, he is really pretty and I have no ill will towards him or Kristen Stewart for their looks and talents. I just think the YA novel trope of having the gorgeous female lead character look past ALL the shortcomings and straight-up toxicity of their love interest, especially if there's a love triangle, just because they're "pensive" or "melancholy/moody" and drop-dead gorgeous too.)

[@Tutta2902]

I recently watched all of the Twilight movies, and there is one thing that really stuck out to me about Bella. So in the first movie, it is mentioned that Bella has spent most of her life being the parent of her own mom. The main reason why she is with her dad is to give her mom some space. So in the start of this story, she has moved in with her dad, and is finding herself with more time on her hands. Charlie doesn't need her the same way as her mother did. Then she meets Edward, and he shows her special attention. Even if there are red flags, if she is even aware of the red flags she is seeing, the idea of having someone there for her, paying special attention to her and not the other way around, is a powerful drug for her. Having Edward watching her sleep makes her feel safe and prioritized. Any uncomfortable feeling she may have is pushed aside by that feeling. It escalates when the Cullens family all pitch in to protect her. Even Rosalie, who thinks Edward is being reckless by bringing this girl into the family, agrees to throw off the scent when the crazy killer-vampires decide that Bella is a special snack. So now a girl who has spent most of her life being a caretaker becomes the one who is being taken cared for by not only this creepy dude, but also his family. It also mirrors real life, how abusive fuckwads like this prey upon those who are vulnerable. Which is the tragedy of Bella Swan. She is vulnerable and with very little sense of self, so her relationships become her sense of self.

[@reveranttangent1771]

That's makes a disturbing amount of sense.

[@FaithOriginalisme]

If I could like this twice, I would

[@thatguy4996]

My only question is would her father not be able to provide her with this attention?

[@b.b.8465]

@@thatguy4996 I think the kind of attention Bella recieves from Edward is so special and consuming, that her father would never be able to provide her with the same amount. Especially, since Charlie is more of a distant guy, who is used to live alone and not to spend much time with his daughter. And for her getting taken care of by a potential lover is way more interesting than getting taken care of by her father.

[@heatherlee2967]

Whoa

[@ayammee7487]

The question "is Edward abusive?" Is the equivalent to "is floor floor?"

[@singingofsilver]

Lmao- 😭

[@LilXancheX]

Am I cute?

[@chemischeReinigung]

Nah, it's lava.

[@anonymous_bag5241]

Fans: is Edward toxic? is like asking if lava will hurt you if you jump into it Bella: No

[@9ightdreamer]

"Is Edward Abusive?" Is also the equivalent of "Is water wet?"

[@rere559]

Plot twist Edward IS BATMAN!!!

[@willp2906]

Johnathan is doing so well for most of the episode but you can just hear him finally break at 13:13 and it's wonderful

[@DiZtheJedi]

"I am a murderer!" "Fine." The Anakin/Padme relationship in a nutshell.

[@bubbletea6617]

at the very lest she was more aware of what was happening

[@jsystormkekkei572]

Clone Wars Anakin and Padme yes I love them together Movie version 📢 TRASH!!!!

[@alaska4939]

I feel like that’s unfair.

[@alaska4939]

Wabi-sabi especially when you look at Clone Wars. They have such a good dynamic in that show.

[@jorgebersabe293]

At least we can see why Anakin would fall for Padmé: She is smart, kind, intelligent and beautiful. Anakin loves Padmé for herself, for her personality. On the other hand, we can't comprehend why Edward would fall for Bella: She is bland, dull and boring. On top of that, Edward is obsessively lusting after Bella because she smells good.

[@heysaacha6329]

In conclusion, Bella's character is like : *“I can't see, I'm legally blind.”*

[@lorefreak94]

More like" I cant see. Can I drive the car?"

[@1kulik]

Edward used his charm and took her brain away

[@Xehanort10]

Even Daredevil can see better than Bella and he actually is blind.

[@kristiehoffrichter5874]

I remember reading a Twilight fanfic somewhere ( I cant remember which writing site this was on. ) where the main protagonist recognises red flags with Edward and Bella's growing relationship and confronted Bella about it and recommended she read particular education books. Bella become a bit wiser after that. From there I think the protagonist was considering proposing idea to educate teens in school on the subject of toxic relationships or contact the bookstore owner with book recommendation for younger reading audience. 🤔

[@HexIsme]

"I can read every mind except for yours" Bella: Is there something wrong with me? Oh honey, you can't read a blank page.

[@anntan9913]

I love how the Therapist screams at Twilight like a football fan would scream at a game on the TV.

[@somecuriousperson2233]

Once you become a therapist you can't see things the same anymore

[@SW12234]

Him: *A literal killer.* Her: "That's kind of hot."

[@lizamoonblooded4196]

Edward is a horrible yandere-kun.

[@hadbetterdays8118]

So Ted Bundy's fanbase

[@shinrin-yoku3877]

I never realized how scary Edward is. Honestly Jacob probably is scary too because he is meaner than Edward.

[@faithdeline7774]

As someone raised as a fundie, the fact that Stephanie Myers is Mormon explains everything about this series.

[@rexs.5188]

The abuser is literally waving 10 red flags saying "here look!" and she's still blind to it all.

[@sinda7080]

Her need for a relationship overrides the processing of the risks. Because humans are social creatures, and when you deprives them of a sense of community and self-worth, they will settle for anything.

[@moniquita720]

I think there's a side of abuse there also. Like, "if after all this I mistreat you, its your fault, you knew what you were getting into."

[@SilverWolf_-cj4qn]

There is a saying I really like that goes something like when wearing rose coloured glasses red flags look like all other flags

[@starangel8638]

you sound like my friends in the goop chat after me and my ex officially broke up(he dumpled me)

[@breezy3392]

I can legitimately say that Bella is the dumbest lead character I can remember reading

[@lydiamartin1424]

When someone you are interested in tells you NOT to date them and that they are a DANGER to you, believe them

[@cdorothy444]

Ya this is also respecting boundaries. He refused her love so she should not like him anymore

[@mykodibear17]

@@cdorothy444 I mean... kind of? You can't choose how you feel, you *can* choose how you respond to those feelings. She can't just stop liking him like turning off a switch, that's beyond her control and not how emotions work. She *can* stop perusing him romantically when he tells her to stop.

[@saribeepo.o5111]

@@mykodibear17 That isn't accurate. You choose whether to be respectful of other people's wishes, and you choose how you view situations such as this one. She chooses to view 'I don't want you' as an invitation to pursue rather than 'this guy doesn't want me, and I don't want someone that doesn't want me'. If she chose that philosophy, she would naturally stop feeling desire towards him. Emotions are not exactly controllable, but how we choose to react or ignore external input and reason have an effect on our emotions.

[@subhadramahanta452]

True, cause we know ourselves and not ready for relationship at the moment.

[@jaydoespunk9097]

@@saribeepo.o5111 yeah, but how does one choose to look at a situation differently? I understand the "you can choose your responses to feelings" thing, now, but the worldview thing, like how you interpret situations, that shit only comes with personal experience and time I think because it certainly isn't something I can "just do" or some bullshit like that. Genuine question, sorry if I come off defensive, it's just my emotional investment in my own personal growth is really high, but my resources to accomplish that are very limited at this time, so I'm doing all the online sleuthing I can to learn how others view the world compared to me.

[@akaj2013]

The Batman analogy at the start is hilarious knowing Robert Pattinson played him in the latest Batman movie.