Cinematic Excrement: Saving Christmas 2nd Look

[@melodyrichardson5051]

"Happy Holidays, everyone!" And all the Kirk Cameron fans' heads just exploded.

[@daniexists6]

All two of them.

[@kingbeef66]

I’m sure telling them Happy Hanukkah and Happy Kwanzaa would make their heads explode too.

[@gracekim1998]

@@kingbeef66 yep 😂

[@MinscFromBaldursGate92]

I can't stomach Kirk's prosperity gospel

[@kingbeef66]

@@MinscFromBaldursGate92 Indeed. He's also spreading a false doctrine when it comes to materialism. Being materialistic is suppose to be a bad thing. Jesus even told that rich guy to sell all his pocessions in the Bible.

[@Oonagh72]

He actually became a “Christian” because of his wife. He was 17 and she was like 23 when they started dating. I personally think he just wanted to get laid and got caught up in the born again thing. Then I guess his family saw the money in it and they all converted too.

[@maryvampiregirl666]

he was underage? what the hell?

[@gracekim1998]

WOOOW😨 explains a lot

[@47Cartoonguy]

damn i had no idea about the grooming

[@Boobalopbop]

That’s what the right of today call “grooooooooming”. 😮 No wonder we haven’t heard from any of these people lately

[@LeviAckerman-cb5ji]

Let's not forget how he got Julie McCulloch ( his first show girlfriend ) fired because she was a former Playboy model.

[@psycher7]

8:10 Kirk also screws up even BEFORE they get to the car. He refers to Christian as an "Uncle Scrooge". As pointed out in Midnight Reviews, he meant Ebenezer Scrooge, because "Uncle Scrooge is a duck in a top hat!"

[@davidking4838]

Not sure it was a mistake, after all, Scooge McDuck is a hero to most Republicans.

[@splashenful]

@@davidking4838 Not to mention the fact that Scrooge McDuck played Ebenezer Scrooge in the Disney 'Mickey's Christmas Carol.'

[@indumatipngtuber2790]

My favorite thing about this is that non-religious christmas movies are more about love and compassion then this movie is. Even Hallmark Christmas Specials get that much right!

[@redjed100]

“Bad Santa” was more about that.

[@gracekim1998]

Indeed, friend 😅

[@kingbeef66]

The 2015 Krampus film was also like that. Imagine that, a Christmas horror movie being about that as well.

[@frankieseward8667]

If even hallmark is doing better you know you dropped the ball.

[@subtlebluntduality5997]

I have a former high-school classmate who is an actress who was in a project with Kirk Cameron and she said he was such an arrogant dick about everything.

[@MedicineMundy]

My mother could tell you stories. She went to school with the prick.

[@erichfiedler1481]

I feel so sorry for her to have worked with an asshole like Kirk

[@someguy7424]

There’s a shocker.

[@Saturnia2014]

It's easier for one to portray themselves as a good person rather than actually being one.

[@gracekim1998]

YEP

[@C.L.Hinton]

I _think_ Kirk was trying to link wrapping presents to Christ being wrapped in cloth. But I'm not certain; who could fathom a mind like his? Btw, love the hit-and-run _Firefly_ reference at 10:24.

[@gracekim1998]

Yeah but that really pushing the line of believability 😅

[@rockoperajon]

“Crosses are made of wood…” somehow I knew a Monty Python joke was incoming. Don’t ever change, Smeghead.

[@michaelstrong5383]

VeggieTales had better Christmas specials than Kirk Cameron could ever make.

[@erichfiedler1481]

The Toy That Saved Christmas is still the best of them all, especially for Bob's line "I wanted to play Mouse Trap, ya roll your dice, ya move your mice, nobody gets hurt."

[@troyschulz2318]

VeggieTales generally had better EVERYTHING than Kirk Cameron could ever make.

[@Yeen125]

The difference is that VeggieTales was created by Christians that put in effort and wanted to spread the word of God without forcing them down everyone’s throats.

[@DGilVids]

Mostly because of Larry.

[@80sDisneyFan]

Hanna-Barbera also made a better religious Christmas special that was better than Kirk Cameron (part of their The Greatest Adventure: Stories from the Bible series).

[@lordbarristertimsh8050]

Veggie Tales had a Christmas Special called "The Toy Who Saved Christmas" which was explicitly about how commercialization and greed have had an insidious and destructive effect on Christmas. Now let's look at Saving Christmas and : do I even need to bloody explain what Veggie Tales did right and what Mr. Kirk Cameron did wrong? I hope I don't! I also wish a Happy New Year to any who read this. Also, Sean, Mr. Cinematic Excrement, I love your work, and I hope you had a Merry Christmas, if only to compensate for the pain of watching Surviving Christmas again.

[@godzilla964]

Kirk is a proponent of the prosperity gospel. It's been criticized for being the exact opposite of Jesus's parable of a camel entering the eye of a needle being easier than a rich man entering the kingdom of God.

[@DJMaul1031]

Brilliant. Saw the Monty Python joke coming a mile away but still laughed loud enough to wake my girlfriend. Well done.

[@globetrekker86]

Saving Christmas, in hindsight, sounds like a G-Rated prelude to Fifty Shades: Christian White becomes disillusioned with the holidays; his friend introduces him to the Play Room, and then… Christian goes Grey

[@demh7823]

Considering how awful Kirk's sister is, being a nefarious homophobe runs in the Cameron family.

[@gracekim1998]

Oh. Um ok

[@MissBarker93]

As a Christian, we do not claim Kirk Cameron.

[@gracekim1998]

Agreed 😂

[@Torterra625]

I don’t even think Satan wants him. Too much upkeep.

[@ethal1222]

I can walk into a store and buy Christmas decorations and hear Christmas music on the radio in September. But sure, there's totally a "war on Christmas." 🙄

[@graceskerp]

Christmas is a federal holiday and Easter isn't. Nuff said.

[@mackenziegivens6061]

Can you say Narcissistic Victim Syndrome, guys, gals, and nonbinary pals? 😃

[@sirtalkalotdoolittle]

This film is the living definition of ironic. Cameron set out to create this work of art that glorifies his faith and instead created a monstrosity that is nothing but comedy gold for his opponents. He tackled the most important subject in his life, something he has spent years pursuing, and screwed it up so badly that as long as there is video streaming he will be held up to ridicule until finally people forget completely about it.

[@gracekim1998]

It’s something we can ALL mock 😂

[@stringtheorysucks]

Sadly I suspect it was intentional. Christians like him see the world just as it’s shown in this monstrosity.

[@satanofficial3902]

"There's irony in iron because iron is ironic." ---Albert Einstein

[@LoraCoggins]

A Charlie Brown Christmas had a better explanation for the commercialism of Christmas and re-shifting the focus back to Jesus than this movie.

[@MedicineMundy]

This review has the most singing that's ever happened in a CE episode... AND I AM LIVING FOR IT!

[@alexanderklepp]

Nice to see you look at this film again. As someone who also loves Christmas, even I think this film is too much. I still love how you still try to acknowledge that Madea Christmas doesn't exist. It is nice to see that you will be talking about it next though.

[@Torterra625]

Didn’t know that Cameron supports Drumpf, but given his beliefs and his lack of logic and critical thinking skills, suddenly that makes a Hell of a lot of sense. I’d call him a sheep, but that’s an insult to actual sheep everywhere.

[@karahughes7074]

I lost it at 'Area 52' - laughed so hard the cats gave me a filthy look and jumped off the bed. Someone got to Kirk's shrooms!

[@tedgruver7618]

Area 52 is a fictional sub variant of Area 51 in “Looney Tunes: Back in Action.”

[@erichfiedler1481]

@@tedgruver7618 I find the Area 52 in that film way more believable, it's got all kinds of famous aliens, including Daleks

[@daelen.cclark]

@@erichfiedler1481 Area 52 is where all the famous aliens go. 51 are the lesser known aliens, and 53 are where the Erdrich cosmic horrors are.

[@theunwelcome]

@@tedgruver7618 Area 52 is also a place in World of Warcraft, named such in order to evoke the obvious Area 51 jokes

[@daelen.cclark]

Area 52: where the Picasso Code, written on that cloth of Jesus, depicts how we find the last Adam by testing everyone to see who weighs the same as a duck. (I think I’ve gone mad.🥴)

[@elennapointer701]

This is one of my top-five favourite KZbin channels and whenever a new video drops, I'm onto it as soon as I can. The videos are well made, the script is always funny and the presentation is uniformly top-notch (even in the very earliest videos, I could see the potential behind the endearing ropiness). This channel should be far bigger than it is because it deserves a much wider audience. Anyway, Merry Christmas, Mr Smeghead. Keep up the very good work and thanks for another entertaining and informative episode.

[@andrewbloom7637]

Kirk's sister Candace (married to a Russian) is quite a piece of work as well.

[@christhornycroft3686]

Who cares what his nationality is? Americans have to make everything about identity. The fact that her husband is the crappier Russian hockey playing brother is irrelevant.

[@roberttreacy8271]

Merry early Christmas, Sean! Great review as always.

[@globetrekker86]

Happy Christmakkah, Sean! Thanks for another gift 😀

[@kali3665]

14:24 Hi-Keeba! I love your gags over time about A Madea Christmas. Seriously, who watches these dang Madea films that Tyler Perry thinks we need one every other year?!! I feel sorry for you, Sean. The horror, the horror.... And no, we appreciated the "Romans gave him a boost" gag too. 🤣🤣

Tyler Perry's audience/fanbase watches his Madea films

[@ebwarg]

“Christian Strawman” would’ve been even more on the nose.

[@oddiophile97]

This was a great video. You killed it!

[@theunwelcome]

"Tyler Perry, do your worst!" images captured moments before disaster right there!

[@samuelvimes5770]

Perry´s dramas are the worst but they are also his best comedies

[@toyland_f]

0:29-0:31 I mean, if you want to get technical, Showgirls takes place around Christmas and Diana: The Musical has a Christmas number.

[@erichfiedler1481]

That may be true of the former, but Die Hard and Tokyo Godfathers feel more like Christmas movies

[@ravager48]

@@erichfiedler1481 And Gremlins.

[@erichfiedler1481]

@@ravager48 that one is actually a Christmas movie, and it's being covered as a Kill Count on the Dead Meat KZbin channel next week, with it's sequel the following week

[@patoren3gou653]

Even creationists look at this and go: f*** off.

[@romanov3937]

Kirk seems to be incapable of realizing the following things. Not everyone had good experiences on Xmas Not everyone has family or friends to spend Xmas with We are a circular society now and lots of people have religions that don’t celebrate Xmas, such as Judaism or Islamism If people ask you to keep the volume low on Xmas, it’s because they’re trying to sleep and he’s probably being too loud Some people just don’t like Xmas because of how much of a corporate holiday it has become. Too much hot chocolate is bad for you!

[@benjaminfenty8745]

I was gonna have me and my family riff on this movie in 2018. Circumstances prevented that from happening though. It would've been so fun watch this and laughing at how ridiculous it was. If only 😔

[@NotoriousLightning]

You should do it this year instead, old chap!

[@RazorRex]

Funny, I was just thinking of your next episode how you were probably going to review A Madea Christmas for the Holiday season. But 2nd look of Kirk Cameron’s Saving Christmas works too!

[@gageperuti5519]

Yeah no, for his sanity (and everyone else's), he's not going near anything Madea with a thousand foot pole.

[@erichfiedler1481]

@@gageperuti5519 too late, he's covering Madea's Christmas movie next time

[@gageperuti5519]

@@erichfiedler1481 Yeah sorry, I wrote that before getting to the ending.

[@RazorRex]

@@erichfiedler1481 I saw the ending and laughed.

[@samuelvimes5770]

Forget Madea, he has to review Perry´s other masterpieces like Temptation, Acrimony & Fall from Grace

[@arnesahlen2704]

To flip a famous tag line: you watched it so I don't have to. THANK YOU! (I wouldn't have watched it anyway, but your sacrifice is much appreciated. )

[@tenebrousoul9368]

When you make Santa vs the Martians look like auteur cinema, you know you've fucked up

[@satanofficial3902]

"ACK. Ack ack ack. Ack ack. Aaaack ack ack. Ack ACK." ---Old Martian Proverb

[@tedgruver7618]

14:44 In unfortunately my best impression of Madea, “Like I said, you cannot ignore me forever! You will give at least one of my movies a review on your channel one way or another. Since my movie is the last Christmas movie to be nominated for the Worst Picture Razzie, you are going to review my movie.”

[@CrypticCharm]

thanks to your first video, i tracked down a copy and watched it with some friends, and our drunken commentary was glorious. thanks for reminding me of the memories, and you went back. that's brave

[@clarencesmith3522]

Hopefully,SAVING CHRISTMAS will be a future MST3K episode.

[@laurallewien2165]

Or Rifftrax!

[@JeffreyPiatt]

MST3K would have to pay the rights holder money to riff it because they would need to edit it in to episode footage. Rifftrax could do it since they sell just mp3 files that sync to the audio if your using there app.

[@BrandonCroker]

Ooooo, that cliffhanger….. imma pray for ya, Seanny.

[@erichfiedler1481]

We all are

[@JeffreyDeCristofaro]

"What did you put in that coffee!?" Apparently reindeer piss - I would like to think that's pretty much what pumps through Kirk Cameron's brain on a daily basis.

[@ryandowney8743]

I'd like to see a parody of A Christmas Carol where it's about a self righteous douchebag Evangelical Christian like Kirk Cameron being taught about actual kindness and caring that the season is supposed to be about.

[@animeotaku307]

The Ghost of Christmas Past takes him back to when Christmas was outlawed… by Christians (the puritans, specifically). The Ghost of Christmas Present takes him to the families who are down on their luck. And the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come shows him a future where all faiths are respected and no one has a stick up their butts about saying “Happy Holidays.”

[@ebwarg]

@@animeotaku307 Sadly, that last part only encourages Kirk to double down on his dickery…

[@antibishonen]

Got that covered, except it's Muskrat himself.

[@gracekim1998]

I would watch that 😂

[@georgeray1906]

​@@animeotaku307I bet to him it would be one big nightmare.

[@TheDeppertLasseVogt]

Still a big fan of the background. Looks awesome, especially with the christmas decorations.

[@user-rc3cm1zv4j]

Happy holidays Smeghead 🥰

[@SquiresIsle]

As bad as Madea is sure to be, there ARE people out there who would consider it a movie. Unlike Saving Christmas. So I think you'll be just fine.

[@thefantasticretroreviewer3941]

If you wanna see a Christmas Movie that is even WORSE or AWFUL than Kurk Cameron Saving Christmas, you should see Rapsittie Street Kids: Believe in Santa.

[@mariic2]

SHUT THAT DOOR!

[@samuelvimes5770]

It cannot be worse than Last Ounce of Courage, that (War on) Christmas movie starts with footage of the war in Iraq

[@michaelstrong5383]

The cast of that """""film""""" still baffles me, especially when it includes Jodi Benson and Paige O'Hara, Ariel and Belle respectively.

[@thefantasticretroreviewer3941]

@@michaelstrong5383 There's more of the Cast than those two you've mentioned

[@Cellmate412162]

Actually, I found the worst Christian movie ever… I’m Not Ashamed. It also ranks as the worst movie based on actual events.

[@SilentMovieSteve]

I can understand the part about Jesus being called the last Adam since he was called that in the New Testament. That whole part about Adam having to climb up on the tree because "when you steal something you have to give it back" was just ... odd.

[@antibishonen]

Also to add; United Passions, aka The FIFA movie (talk about timing), should have made a brief mention at the Razzies not only how big of a bomb it was, but also dealing with the corruption charges in 2015. Yet, The Razzies got this one right, knowing how big of a mess this movie was.

[@redjed100]

Most people in America don’t care about soccer enough to care about a movie about FIFA. Thereby, the movie wouldn’t be notable enough to pop up on a Razzie voters’ radar.

[@BekahStogner]

Amazing timing, I just reviewed this movie on my podcast this week! Yeah, it still blows, but I still love to hear your tales on it!

[@TheCamSays]

Director Darren Doane is primarily known for his music video work working with bands like blink-182 in their early years, Deftones, Jimmy Eat World, AFI and Shinedown. And this is probably his most well known work besides blink’s “Dammit” and “Josie” videos. As jarring as it is, how does this look worse and cheaper than the early blink videos?

[@LARKXHIN]

Damn what a downgrade this js

[@markshulusky6680]

Great as always! As a fan, I'd really love to see this channel grow but to do that you've got to do more Cine.Ex. episodes and less vlogs. Skewering Razzie nominees is a great project but don't limit yourself.

[@TyroneBruinsmaFilms]

Get the good scotch honey, we sitting down to watch a guaranteed banger of a video

[@GOODYGOODGOOD789]

8:19 I may note that Christmas was only celebrated on December 25th until the Gregorian calendar was made, which was in 1582, so saying the early church is a very bad term to use in this context since I wouldn’t consider (as of right now) 3/4 quarters into Christianity “early.”

[@1987MartinT]

Unless you're watching Gone Girl, you ain't gonna see Tyler Perry do his best.

[@jbvader721]

You can thank director David Fincher for that performance.

[@davidl570]

Looking past this great (and hilarious) review................................glad that I'm not the only one who still gets physical DVDs from Netflix!

[@LARKXHIN]

"Jesus put himself up on a tree " Well. Way to simplify crucifixion.

[@SuperSwordman1]

Yes! Finally! It's happening!

[@SpongeyTheEditor]

Oh man, hype for next time.

[@mcmoose64]

"The Romans gave him a boost". LMFAO We goin' to hell brother !

[@adnauseamxi951]

I have that exact same flannel shirt, but it looks way better on you. Cheers.

[@corvus1374]

Adam didn't steal the fruit, Eve did

[@GloryHulle]

I could have SWORN I had already subbed to this fine channel, but it appears I failed to do so. No matter, I am subbed now! Thanks for another chance to laugh at this joke of a film. Although we all enjoy laughing at Kirk Cameron doing The Worm, it's not funny enough to justify the rest of the movie existing.

[@globetrekker86]

“Adam put *himself* up on a tree” 😂 *Cue a spit-take*

[@georgeray1906]

If I follow Kirk's logic then I guess Vlad the Impaler must've really loved Christmas since he's always putting up Christmas Trees.

[@peterkrug4124]

Was the opening supposed to refer to Kirk Cameron or the Smeghead himself?🤔

[@SiRenfield]

You’re lucky I just got out of a late night bingewatch with my sister so I can behold this. Also yes TIME TO FACE THE MUSIC 😈

[@wstine79]

The message in this Christmas movie is as empty as the red hot chocolate cups Kurt Cameron is holding in the movie.

[@andrewollmann304]

I love the red ribbon, Smeghead!

[@morzansreddragon]

I guess the next review has been something that's been coming for a while now. But damn, it's coming sooner than I thought, I look forwars to seeing Sean tear it apart even sooner.

[@charitysghost1207]

And to think... I almost taped his pin-ups on my wall as a teenager. smh🤦‍♀️

[@TrainsCatsOtherStories]

Don't beat yourself up. You were young! How could you have known?

[@sepollcas]

Happy Holidays!

[@OffKiraDeux]

I don't know if I just didn't notice your shelves before or what, but they're very nice. I have now seen several reviews ("reviews"?) of this movie, and I think I've managed to grasp what it's about.... Mostly. It doesn't seem like a pleasant experience. Happy all the holidays!!

[@samuelvimes5770]

It is not at all. Like with most of these "christian" movies the reviews are much funnier than the actual film. I can especially recommend the god awful movies podcast, even if their let´s say robust humor is not for everyone

[@daelen.cclark]

At least we finally know where Postmills are made. We only need to know how. (Perhaps if they weigh the same as the ducks and last Jedi…)

[@rike94]

Can't wait for the next video, amazing

[@samij.1131]

The "Last Adam" thing is from the Bible where in both Romans and 1st Corinthians Jesus is called the 2nd Son of God; Adam being the first. The passages compare the two - "by one we're cast into sin and death, by he other life" - to loosely paraphrase. The actual phrase "Last Adam" is used in 1 Corinthians 15:45, if anyone is curious.

[@171QA]

XD I also still use Netflix discs too.

[@imaspoon4522]

Until every movie I ever want to watch ever is digital, I see no reason not to watch them.

[@louisduarte8763]

By 5:12, I have to believe they added all that ranting in post since he covered half his face with that mug.

[@dfanA113]

10:37 I would’ve also gone with: “Is this the human condition of madness Leader?” “It is.”

[@daelen.cclark]

Reminds me of Linkara.

[@dfanA113]

@@daelen.cclark that’s what I was thinking of when coming up with that

[@SiRenfield]

@@daelen.cclark Yeah admittedly probably the only reason not to go with that clip. He makes it work but you don’t want to repeat other people’s jokes *too* much

[@ConnorNotyerbidness]

The funniest thing about kirk cameron i find is that time he insisted bannanas are proof god exists because they lack seeds in them or something and that its a perfect thing When he doesnt know that only genetically engineered bannanas are like that with actual wild ones having big hard seeds throughout the fruit So in reality hes pointing to a creation of man as a sign god exists What an idiot (Note no im not passing judgement on peoples beliefs, merely on kirk cameron)

[@TheBonkleFox]

I wanna say "wait wasn't that ray comfort?" but then i remembered they're actually friends.

[@suedenim]

Pretty sure he's trying to justify Christmas wrapping paper with the "wrapped in cloth" business.

[@galeforce3192]

I think Kirk and Darren going way off-script works if you look at it as Kirk and Christian having gotten drunk at the party. If Christian was sober, he would not have stayed in the garage. The two being drunk is the only way to make it make any sense.

[@ebwarg]

Postmill Factory. Because audiences now recognize Alan Smithee.

[@kaijudirector5336]

15:02 - Speaking of which, Sean, you still owe us Fifty Shades Freed.

[@bigbearkat2010]

Wait hang on, does Netflix still send out DVDs?

[@imaspoon4522]

Many movies/series are unavailable for streaming--anywhere. Fingers crossed they fix that, lol

[@bigbearkat2010]

@@imaspoon4522 no I asked because he had a Netflix envelope. I just kind of figured Netflix stopped bothering with that service years ago.

[@bamabat8435]

As a Christian, let me say that Kirk Cameron is a charlatan.

[@socklock1957]

I couldn't agree more, and as of today, it's been announced that Kirk and his family have moved from California to Tennessee. It's safe to say that after 10 years, Kirk's career as an actor is over, he's become a pastor and is now where he belongs: in one significant part of the conservative Bible Belt.

[@ebwarg]

I’m still wondering about Kirk’s obsession with fudge.

[@SuperNicktendo]

Honestly I kind of want to make a Christmas movie to show them how it's done. But I'm not sure I want to get these jimmies rustled

[@Sandlot1992]

Nice DVD Shelf Dude!

[@mageless8192]

Lovely singing voice 😂 oh boy this movie

[@lukewright9031]

5:13 🤣🤣🤣 Exactly my thoughts

[@VictoriousCatholic]

While Nicholas was most likely not at the Council of Nicea, I hardly think he was imposing his views on others; he was refuting the idea Christ isn’t divine. If anything, he would have fought against “Christ not divine” being imposed on others.

[@ErinPrimette]

Hinting at the next review? Oh, I feel for you, buddy.

[@tristanhartup4936]

Gotta love a movie that says, "Yeah, Christmas is overcommercialized... and that's a good thing, why? BECAUSE JESUS SAID SO!", what the hell kind of message is that?

[@frankm.2850]

This movie is the ravings of a nutbar. Seriously, the idea that anyone takes Kirk Cameron seriously is mind boggling. The man has a persecution complex the size of Africa. Christians basically run the country. Just because its not a theocracy doesn't mean you're persecuted my guy.

[@BrandonCroker]

All hail the mighty swaddling cloth, not unlike one would hail the mighty glow cloud.

[@jerraldwest8531]

As a second generation, diagnosed schizophrenic who's currently in remission and studying psychology in school; disordered speech, incapability of thinking succinctly, and delusions are all three characteristics of schizophrenia. There are more, but a psychologist or psychiatrist would only need three to make the diagnosis. What I'm saying is, Kirk, if by some miracle you're reading these comments, get help. *I'm only speculating, not diagnosing*

[@NuclearLemonade]

4:43-4:58 was absolutely glorious

[@christhornycroft3686]

I guarantee Falwell Jr would still be in charge of Liberty University had the pool boy been female. Evangelicals love their redemption moments, and adultery is one thing, but gay adultery isn't something they're going to tolerate. Granted, they still love their redemption story, so if he waits a few more years, and claims to have been "forgiven" or "healed" or something, he'll be right back in their good books.

[@bradwolf07]

Area 52? I don't know that conspiracy theory Edit: Did they put cups in front of their faces so they could add dialogue later?

[@ebwarg]

“Atlanta Falcons!”

[@SiRenfield]

Reminds me of Looney Tune Back In Action LOL

[@OpinionsNoOneCaresAbout]

Weird coincidence that I happened to see the name "Michael Seaver" while listening to this.

[@benraines2814]

I think the thing about the cloth was his VERY TENUOUS way of connecting WRAPPED gifts to Jesus.... The man is fing insane.

[@justinriley]

Oh boy.