First 2 minutes is some of your most entertaining work thus far.
@Wallach_a2 жыл бұрын
Agree
@mrp42422 жыл бұрын
Yes, well done.
@Nortic1112 жыл бұрын
Dude, never stop these skits of yours, they're great! I hope the gentleman in the top hat makes a return, whether Civilization is involved or otherwise...
@BoardGameGreeks2 жыл бұрын
This is the best intro I've ever seen in my life !
@Supersly6662 жыл бұрын
That intro alone already deserves a thumbs up!
@bwah94812 жыл бұрын
Another impressive, in-depth and concise review. All great points! Thank you!
@bwah94812 жыл бұрын
Your skits kill me lol! I love them. Thanks for making board games reviews so fun to watch!
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
ahaha thank you! More stuff coming :) -Ashton
@LINNNNN20102 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy the Pro & Con part. Really helps to see if the game is for you or not
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
thank you! Hope it makes things clear -ashton
@Stevojay Жыл бұрын
Really enjoying your reviews guys, just one thing I would love if you could add- alternate recommendations! “If you want a better game of this style/mechanic/theme try….” and so on. Thanks and keep up the great work!
@Shelfside Жыл бұрын
cheers! Definitely something we try to keep writing into things. We couldn't really find good comparisons for this game when making this review. If you want a real 4x, its gonna be a lot longer and a lot heavier. If you want a more balanced Euro, they don't quite get the civilization-ish vibe this game has. Will see if we can find sometjhing! -Ashton
@bernardorippe70242 жыл бұрын
This is the best intro I had ever see for a boardgame review XD
@NickJacksonusa Жыл бұрын
We play this one quite a bit because there aren't many really good 5 player games. Was surprised with your criticisms and score. We actually thought that the base game was meh, but we love it with the expansion and it's additions
@MuriloFlavioMoreira Жыл бұрын
People who like the pc game is rather unlikely to aprove of this simplified concept.
@177silas Жыл бұрын
@@MuriloFlavioMoreira nah I really like the base game, and this board game as well. Sometimes eaven better than for example Clash of Cultures beacuse of its simplicity and lower gaming time.
@Warrior_Whitten Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the honesty. When looking at this game after it came out, it was hard not to notice the map not having production or trade like the first one did. Not knowing how cities would produce anything or gain science caused skepticism, but the control tokens were the real put off. Watching people play it was weird and it really didn’t look like a Sid Meier’s Civilization game. You all said the quiet parts out loud 🤣
@VividSauce2 жыл бұрын
I cannot get over how funny the opening of this video is.
@monoludico616610 ай бұрын
The intro was more than funny and phenomenal 🎉😅 Thanks. Great stuff!
@Gyftomancer2 жыл бұрын
Obviously you are a SidM'Civ (2010) fan. I disagree with many things that you said, and make me wonder how much have you played the game, but.... I can't believe that you found such a big random factor in battles. You only roll a d6 and you add big combat bonuses as the game proceeds. There is a victory condition that you get if you win a battle by having a 15 combat result. And you can get even more than this. So a d6 is a CON of the game? I don't think so.. As for the barbarians, there are various ways to avoid or kill them and even force them never to respawn again. And you call this a CON of the game? As for the 1st player advantage: everybody has the same number of rounds before game ends. Everyone decides on the spot on the table that will put a neutral fort. Plus anyone can achieve the same VP condition as the 1st player. I don't see any advantage. Moreover, I agree that this game is all about the objectives but I think you made this review having in mind Cid M' Civ (2010) where there is a lot of war. Civ: A new dawn is not a civ game with war, only slightly in order to interrupt opponents' plans. But this in not a CON, it's rather a preference, right?
@LordDolor115 ай бұрын
While I agree with the point that the game, at the contrary of the PC game encourages being fast instead of slow and well thought development, I disagree with the overall opinion. This game has been my favorite and the favorite of my group for a While and we are actively waiting for a New expansion. Easely one of the most enjoyable games I have in my collection. 9/10 to me.
@dinklebutt10032 жыл бұрын
Well shoot. Now I want you guys to cover clash of cultures.
@Orthovandro2 жыл бұрын
The best intro. Incredible
@jedimackan25942 жыл бұрын
This review has remind me that sometimes reviewers that I think have smilar taste as me - they still can have completely different opinion about one or two titles... but realy copletely. For me the game is 7/10! With small children, work and less time for yourself - a civilization game than I can finish with my wife in about 1h is a bargin! Never expected so low notes from you!... Well now I am very very courious how you will review one of my feavorite civilization game Clash of Cultures... :D Greetings from Poland!
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
ahaha no problemo! That's the interesting thing about board game enjoyment, its so subjective. We'll hopefully get to CoC one day! -Ashton
@Berndr Жыл бұрын
I agree... I was looking forward to trying this game, but sadly all things they said that are bad with this game made sense and are well explained why ...
@Gauweezy2 жыл бұрын
The intro is just so good... Hahahah keep it up boys!
@jonah39852 жыл бұрын
No way dude. I literally check your channel yesterday for this review to see how you felt about AND+TI compared to your true love (original FFG Civ) because I have a chance to snag both for a good deal ($50 together). I literally placed the order like four or five hours ago, not knowing you produced this. Weeeeird! Watching now! EDIT: Wow, I guess you just saved me $50? Damn, brutal... *Order Canceled* :(.
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
whoa, that's crazy! Hey, if its not for ya, it will save you the money and time of reading the rules. Cheers! -Ashton
@Esauofisaac Жыл бұрын
I actually found this review Googling about the Terra Incognita box quality. I had honestly thought I got some kind of cheaper print-on-demand version since I bought it years later. It's a damn cereal box.
@Shelfside Жыл бұрын
I was shocked opening it up. It almost tore! -Ashton
@picivyvortac26412 жыл бұрын
You should play clash of cultures. It's the real civ experience and is about 2.5 hours long. Great game.
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
we have that in the queue! -Ashton
@loarnchilcote9895 Жыл бұрын
Omg thank you guys for your work!
@evandercaldwell9993 Жыл бұрын
Maybe you have good house rules for it that you could share!! 😀 (but the way it looks, it's just too screwed to be saved in any way!! Sad because I love civilisation games 😖) Great review, Thank You, your channel will blow up in the coming years, your reviews are extensive, detailed and top notch!!! Hats off to you my friends!!! 💪🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 (And your humour is just too hilarious!! 😂)
@Shelfside Жыл бұрын
cheers mate! We think the base game has more merit for sure. But for more civ experiences, clash of cultures, Civ 2010, or even 7 wonders might do the trick! -Ashton
@closedchill52432 жыл бұрын
Awesome review. I think my favorite Civ board game is still the first one by Eagle Games. Which just goes to show, nobody has really made a strong Civ board game yet. It feels like they do a new one with each new PC game so I expect another one with Civ 7 art in a few years. As for review suggestions, I still put forward High Frontier for All. >:D
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
We definitely love the 2010 FFG Civ tho, it's definitely a strong civ board game! -Daniel
@Jorn2u Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the honest opinion and clearly explaining it. Very nice!
@IndianaGeologist7 ай бұрын
Jesus, that intro was amazing
@TheMelon91062 жыл бұрын
That beginning is hilarious 😂😂😂
@squishybuspr2 жыл бұрын
I love the gun fighting at the top of video… most civilized.
@wayner396 Жыл бұрын
Hahahaha best skit ever. Please keep this up. The outfits, voices, guns, and cigarettes in the ears had me rolling. Love the looking at the camera every time you say civilization... thanks for the laughs
@3alanking38 Жыл бұрын
very sweaty
@truce117 ай бұрын
Woah that intro was so good.
@destrio2 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad I was able to find a nice used copy of FFG's 2010 version with both expansions. Now I just need to get it to the table...
@TheVisualante Жыл бұрын
Good luck bro, but once you do get it there so long as everyone is open minded you’ll have an absolute blast
@SeanPS Жыл бұрын
I got a small modular tacklebox to use piece storage, i was able to fit every component inside and then fit the tacklebox inside the box. was able to fit everything including the expansion all into the base box.
@joncarr55452 жыл бұрын
Best video I’ve seen all year!
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
awesome to hear! More stuff coming :) -Ashton
@chrishollandsworth44552 жыл бұрын
This skit is the best one yet keep it up
@jwspiker2 жыл бұрын
wow, you guys and Joel Eddy see this game so differently.
@stuartshannon8561 Жыл бұрын
I agree and that’s why I love the new Clash of Cultures edition. It does Tec and fighting well. You should check it out if you haven’t already.
@Shelfside Жыл бұрын
Ashton hasn't gotten around to playing it but I personally like Clash a lot! -Daniel
@maykelmichiels8073 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! 😊
@findoutthehardway Жыл бұрын
I live for these absurd intros
@PBMatthews2544 ай бұрын
Takes on mosaic? I know its completely different but just curious. Ive purchased it for a great price and im excited to get it to the table. At this point all i have is 7 wonders for any civ themed games and just wanted something a bit more in depth but not be 3 hrs or more per game.
@FalkFlak Жыл бұрын
The thing you mostly seem to criticise is the aspect the game wants you to do: race for the objectives. It excels in this regard so I cannot see a contra here whatsoever. The victory conditions garantee not every game is about a single strategy of building up and stomping your opponent if that's what you were looking for. Most other arguments seem fair. It does feel a bit more abstract and it is a horror to start with base game AND Incognita. The swingyness is not a problem to me as it fits the Sid Meyer's Video game (if you've played it) and there are so many options you can mitigate your problems (you attack Barbarian on Mountains? Lol what?). Yes you can lose a fort here fast, .. uh I don't see a problem there. Wouldn't the game took 2 hours but instead 6-8 hours like the OTHER Civ contenders this indeed would be a bigger problem. But it's fast, dynamic and don't halts to a grind like heavier Civs (like the 2010 one, for example). On our first play session with the base game we played it 2 times in a row!
@Shelfside Жыл бұрын
But the objective racing here is done poorly since games can be under an hour from the 1st player doing fort>wonders>misc 4th objective and can't be reasonably stopped by other players. -Daniel
@FalkFlak Жыл бұрын
I can see that happening. Although, the benefit of randomness is there is always a chance to turn the tide. It's very difficult (impossible?) to have a game with a deterministic puzzle and that also gives you a chance to win and lose. You can stop playing if you see a good starting position for your opponent.. OR you can play on and just draw a landscape tile that turns the game upside down. If the criticism is that CivAnD is not a deterministic puzzle, the yes, it isn't. The question is, does it achieve what it wants to do. Also, 1hr for a light Civ game is awesome, I'd say. My biggest complain is the rules are too convoluted for the shallow depth it offers.
@dougcerulli88269 ай бұрын
Thanks for this in depth review. What are your favorite civ board games?
@Shelfside9 ай бұрын
Cheers! So far nothing has quite scratched the itch like Sid Meier's Civilization 2010, although DAniel LOVES Clash of cultures. For something small and condensed, 7 wonders still works for us -Ashton
@ilqrd.66082 жыл бұрын
Harsh, but I respect it. Wish the people who claim this expansion lifts the hame to a 9/10 could chime in and provide a different view. But unfortunately there hasn’t been enough coverage on this game+expansion in general
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
cheers, we were honestly pretty surprised by our conclusion too. I'm all ears to hear what other people have to say! -Ashton
@0Letten02 жыл бұрын
That intro made me subscribe
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
aahaha cheers, fun stuff to make! -Ashton
@alannash27782 жыл бұрын
Amazing intro! I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts on The Marauder Expansion for Root :)
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
Cheers! We got a video in the works :) -Ashton
@anthonyz11642 жыл бұрын
You guys deserve more views
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
thank you! We got more stuff coming all the time :) -Ashton
@jamielehn69266 ай бұрын
Barbarians are a pain - but if you are near them - you need to think about upgrading your military fast and do something about it.
@rown2k42 жыл бұрын
Damn! Was the intro a long ProzD skit?
@davidpackman27332 жыл бұрын
tell us how you really feel about this game.
@ShunyValdez2 жыл бұрын
1:50 Now that's a civilized way to end the intro. Only thing missing is a nuke, but we're not barbarians....
@EfrainRiveraJunior2 жыл бұрын
Great opening!
@zacrussell6092 жыл бұрын
What a whirlwind of emotion and wanting to buy a game i just went though haha
@keanus98712 жыл бұрын
There really isn't a way to account for turn order? That's kind of amazing, especially in a race-type game.
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
very strange! very very strange -Ashton
@matthewpeterson39262 жыл бұрын
I search and saw you guys you unboxed through the ages but I’ve never heard you guys talk about it. I’d like to hear your thoughts on it.
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
for sure! Only played once on BGA, and was VERY buggy then. Hopefully we can give it a go in person one day -Ashton
@MathieuVIII Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was pretty disappointed. But then again, the 2010 Civilization is my favorite game, so I didn't expect this one to replace it anyway.
@mariobasketball304 ай бұрын
You could have pointed to the 2K in the bottom right corner of the box and ended the video.
@David-jv3ws2 жыл бұрын
Please review Obsession. Return of the gentlemen
@marioabadfernandezdelacigo88932 жыл бұрын
Funny, because the very thing you complain about (having to wait for a focus card to get stronger in order to, say, attack a fort) can be mitigated by the one other thing you critizise, that is, governments. IMHO, governments offer more flexibility in that sense. Very nice review!!!!
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
In our experience it still gets outpaced by people spamming other actions that rush towards objectives when they slap their own government tokens on them, and once they do accomplish them attacking no longer takes away their goal achievement. On top of that, it's pretty easy to get stuck on a control point wall while attacking and end up leaving armies on a low defense terrain, which is easily defeated by the defender doing an army movement just to progress their focus row, which really isn't helped by the fact that players are decently far apart from each other so getting set back 2-3 turns of moving by just 1 action is terrible tempo lol -Daniel
@wedgeex2 жыл бұрын
Daniel is my spirit animal.
@BoardGameGreeks8 ай бұрын
i get the personal scores. the recommender why is so low? despite me loving this game the collective opinion for this game is not that bad. On the contrary the core box has the same score as the old civ and the terra incognita has the same score as the best exp. of the old civ. With that said i think that the recommender score is a bad Ad for supposed Objectivity.
@tamasnemeth76592 жыл бұрын
Nice review :) lets go with gwt 2nd edition :)
@joaobarbosa5762 жыл бұрын
Great video and review, congratulations! One question for me, what is your favorite civilization board game so far? Thank you
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
thank you! For Daniel and I, our favorite civilization is still Sid Meier's Civ (2010), but we haven't played too many civ games here! -Ashton
@EfrainRiveraJunior2 жыл бұрын
Huge, Mega, Super Dooper, Gargantuan *PASS!*
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
ahaha glad we could help :) -Ashton
@xtro92962 жыл бұрын
This bloke’s video popped up and I have just watched the first 2 minutes and now I’m subscribed.
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
ahaha thank you! Glad ya liked the intro :) -Ashton
@ag806 Жыл бұрын
Never heard of your channel before. Just watched the first two minutes and now I'm subscribed. And yes, Civ New Dawn needs Terra Incognita. Such a big difference without the expansion.
@jamielehn69266 ай бұрын
19:25 - I don’t think you need to complete an objective in a card before anyone else completes the alternative objective. ?
@BreezingThrou2 жыл бұрын
Resort to just luck. One of the only luck games I and vast majority here loves. Quacks of Quedlinburg.
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
Need to review that one day! Keep getting suggested it. -Ashton
@Tsukiyotsubasa2 жыл бұрын
You should make a youtube short out of that intro skit.
@tzera_rhuon2 жыл бұрын
I’d my eye on this for a while as I was in the mood for a civ-based game, in the end I opted for Imperium Classics/Legends (Civ + Deckbuilding). Based on your review I’m confident in my choice.
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
awesome! I was thinking of grabbing imperium classics/legends as well too, keep seeing it in my local store. How's the replayability on it though? -Ashton
@tzera_rhuon2 жыл бұрын
@@Shelfside There's 8 nations per box that play very differently, as each has their own dynasty deck and advancements, as well as preferred objectives which somewhat mirror their irl histoical exploits; as it is a deck-builder there is also an open market to draft from, so that further adds variance. There is also a solo mode with 6 difficulties. Mechanically, every time your deck is cycled, a card from the dynasty deck (if a barbarian state) or advancements (if an empire) is added in to your draw deck, signififying your nation's development. The ratios of these side decks are different for each nation, meaning each become empires at different rates (or in the case of Vikings, they never become an empire at all). Fully advancing your nation is one of the win conditions; another is exhausting a 'fame' deck in the market, which certain nations excell at;, still more, certain nations in the Legends box have their own interesting win condition (Arthurians are searching for the holy grail, Utopians are searching for Shangri la, Atlantis is struggling to not completely sink). Collapsing the world into chaos is also a viable win condition, particularly for the Celts (as represented by 'unrest' cards). If I were to identify a potential negative, the game can run very long, specifically when learning how to play each nation well. It doesn't necessary *feel* long whilst playing, however looking at the clock to see 3h have past is not uncommon (solo vs bots run much quicker, 60-90m). Playtime is mitigated with experience and knowledge, however if we're pressed for time we'll use a chess clock to balance turns lol.
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
@@tzera_rhuon Thanks for sharing and sounds really cool! The time length is definitely a bit of a cincher for me though, and will hold off of it then -Ashton
@tzera_rhuon2 жыл бұрын
@@Shelfside Optimally I'd budget one hour per player (our group is three, hence 3h), so whilst the game can support 4 players, 8 with both boxes I guess, it's best at 2-player counts.
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
@@tzera_rhuon noted, thank you! -Ashton
@casey99172 жыл бұрын
Jolly good show Chaps
@rochedl2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if this game should have been solo only, I have played the base game a couple of times and found it ok, not great, but I only play solo, so that will color my view. Great video and wonderful opening skit :) looking forward to the next videos!
2 жыл бұрын
Can we haz Through the Ages review now? :3
@hamzad50612 жыл бұрын
Cool intro 😎
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
thank you! More stuff coming :) -ashton
@rousseausp9 ай бұрын
I love you guys
@hatchimmmmm11 ай бұрын
Playing the game for the fifth time with 4players , it's a good game not a 3/10
@l1zard7 Жыл бұрын
Dude thats a white wine glas.
@chimster12342 жыл бұрын
Lol nicely done guys!
@ajeba982 жыл бұрын
WOOOOOOOOH!
@viktorkm2 жыл бұрын
Have you guys played any of the Pax games? (Pax Renaissance 2nd ed, Pax Porfiriana, Pax Pamir end ed). Would love to hear your thoughts on them. I vote for Pax Ren, altough it is said to be the most advanced...
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
I've played Pax pamir 2nd ed on TTS, will need to give it another go one day! -Ashton
@Castorshells2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like I should trade in my New Dawn for the used copy of the other Civ at my store here.
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
that sounds like a great idea! Not sure how much cash you'll have to pay to make up the difference in value? -Ashton
@Warrior_Whitten Жыл бұрын
Clash of cultures?
@Shelfside Жыл бұрын
haha. Daniel likes it. So maybe content one day? -Ashton
@Warrior_Whitten Жыл бұрын
@@Shelfside Ashton, you’ve been vocal about liking Civ so much. I’d be a bit surprised if you didn’t like CoC as much. CoC feels more like the video game in my OP because of the happiness mechanic, amongst other things. It’s probably more in depth than Civ the board game, but you also like TI4 so, hopefully you’ll like it.
@Shelfside Жыл бұрын
@@Warrior_Whitten My concern is that from what I've heard, it's gonna be a nightmare to keep track of in real life. But we will see! -Ashton
@Warrior_Whitten Жыл бұрын
@@Shelfside Lol, that fair. You just need practice. Trust Daniel to help you out 🤣
@Marky_X2 жыл бұрын
Oh... *popcorn intensifies* Time to watch EDIT I guess I was right when I said it would likely not cater to people looking for the PC experience.
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
for sure! We have to knock it for being labeled as Sid Meier's Civilization after all :) Cheers! -Ashton
@armageddon_gaming Жыл бұрын
I skipped the how to play part because I already own and played this game multiple times. While I enjoy the game, I did find myself wanting something more like the video game, and that's when I decided to go on ebay and by the 2002 board game. There is just so much about the 2010 version that pushed me away such as (in my own opinion) unnecessary complexity, how many parts are included, lack of availability, and time investment required
@MichaelBomholt2 жыл бұрын
2010 civ is great
@bossman4799 Жыл бұрын
I always wondered about picking up this game but I have Civ 2010 with the Fame and a fortune expansion for 5 players so I think it’ll be a pass.
@tonybowers94902 жыл бұрын
Good Gravy. That intro was WAY over the top. I mean, it's a board game. You know, boring stuff. Just kidding. The intro was most excellent!
@spywannabe2 жыл бұрын
Sorry bc i dont understand but...... Are there a variety of attacking units or just a little ......thing?
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
Just the little flag thing -Daniel
@spywannabe2 жыл бұрын
@@Shelfside ehhhhh can it be different units tho or just.... Flag?
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
@@spywannabe Just the flag haha, though the flag's strength can be improved with upgraded tech and trade goods -Daniel
@spywannabe2 жыл бұрын
@@Shelfside thanks(also you make realy good videos!)!
@Federick6662 жыл бұрын
based, great review, love your content
@ghodan772 жыл бұрын
Clash of Cultures: Monumental Edition, when?
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
ohhh boy. don't do this to me
@kasaklubdemola86257 ай бұрын
Any film about CoC - why it's so weak? ;) ;)
@federicodecesco19262 жыл бұрын
Another great review. I don't particularly like the classic CIVS either (for the genre, Clash of cultures remains by far the best for me), but that was just an inelegant and bloated game, this is a mechanical disaster. Cheers, as usual, for having analyzed so well, many designers would have a lot to learn. Also that intro skit :) :) :) ....
@TheActivetrin2 жыл бұрын
Damn you guys destroyed this game. Next one you should do is clash of cultures monumental edition.
@MrPorko2c Жыл бұрын
With scores like 2-3/10 you’d think this game is unplayable and broken. As someone who has played it, it’s probably a 6 or 6.5. The game is fine without being spectacular. Scores like 2/10 should be for monopoly level garbage.
@Shelfside Жыл бұрын
Id defend that the game is unplayable and broken. Something is really wrong if the estimated play time is 2+ hours and we were consistently getting our games under an hour -Daniel
@IslanKleinknecht2 жыл бұрын
So .... does this mean Clash of Cultures is next? ^.^
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
in time... in time.
2 жыл бұрын
LOL guys that intro hahahaha.
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
ahaha thanks :) -ashton
@impi76852 жыл бұрын
33:01 That’s the Hungarian Parliament. Just call it this way next time. Cheers
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
aaah, TIL! Will do -Ashton
@camelxhol5512 жыл бұрын
Daniel's the shit!! lol
@DeyaViews2 жыл бұрын
24:07 "Also how many times are games gonna refer to communism as a type of government? It refers to [a] stateless society." Hard agree! Same pet peeve for me. Loved the opening skit, that's a new level of comedy y'all achieved! Great analysis on pros and cons as usual. Cheers, lads
@Shelfside2 жыл бұрын
thank you! More stuff coming. I have to note that the original 2010 civ also has communism as a type of govenrment bahaha -Ashton
@razzendahcuben2 жыл бұрын
Because that's not how communism functions in practice. So good on Civ for making a game based in reality, not theory.
@alannash27782 жыл бұрын
You could most definitely have a communist state. Imagine a society where the eternal government (which would have unalterable edicts and one party, aka undemocratic) controls all aspects of the political and economic systems. This would mean that there could be no personal property, money, or class systems (so also no racism) for its citizens. Since there are no historical or modern examples of this on earth, it can easy to think this is not possible but that is a fallacy. If you are thinking what I've described sounds like socialism, you're right. The key difference between a communist state and a socialist one though, is that in the latter, citizens can own private property (and therefore a class-like system will still exist) and the government is democratically elected and thus alterable depending on the will of the people, the challenges of the day, etc.
@josephc35792 жыл бұрын
Please try clash of cultures I like that game better than new dawn or the civ game