Classic Socionics - ENFj EIE type portrait

[@Just_Rusted]

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[@arroganceinvictus]

It's never been the messy guy screaming at people. It's always been the clean guy whispering to people.

[@Just_Rusted]

Whispering sweet nothings in peoples ears, average EIE stuff.

[@choonblaze]

@@Just_Rusted lol

[@felipecarvalho6275]

When they started saying that the vulnerable function was something that caused a lot of paranoia and was uncomfortable, I really noticed that. I've always really hated it when people saw me eating, when they watched me do things, it made me feel sick, it made me anxious, I just wanted to leave lol. I don't remember where I saw the descriptions of the EIE when I started studying socionics, but those were the ones presented today, when I saw this silly stereotype of the EIE I got a little confused and ignored it. Great to have everything clarified today, great video, bro.

[@Just_Rusted]

Yeah that's actually a sign and it also shows you that it's a CONCIOUS element, you KNOW it pisses you off, you know it annoys you, you can't even really fight back any attack on that element

[@felipecarvalho6275]

@@Just_Rusted Lol, I never really understood this, I thought I was a bit weird for not liking eating in front of others, I thought it was not elegant and a weakness that people showed. On the other hand, I freely ask someone I trust to help me with my clothing style, because I have no idea what looks good and what looks bad on me. Guess that's why EIE archetype is VEFL

[@giomar89]

Female EIE, same here, I HATE people seeing me eating. I get so paranoid that they think I’m eating too much, or not delicately and elegantly enough, or that the food in my plate looks ugly… it’s so weird because I don’t even care that much about food. When I’m alone (and nobody can see me) I just cook something quick that looks like shit but “gets the job done” and eat quickly without paying much attention (I also don’t give a shit about which restaurant we go. I go to the restaurant for the company, not the food). If alone, I also eat the same thing for days. The same thing happens with clothes. I HATE people seeing me buying clothes, or trying them on. I never enjoyed going shopping with friends, because I don’t want people seeing me “crafting the image.” I want them to only see the final, fully curated result (because I fear the non-curated version is unaesthetic)

[@mytypeofmind]

4:14 describes how I figured out I was not EIE. It's almost like you can try to orchestrate emotions but tbh as an IEE you are never really sure what the effect will be. Whereas my EIE friend is more like a politician. His Fe is so polished and calculated.

[@Just_Rusted]

Indeed and that is very normal for types like SEE and IEE with unconcious 4D Fe, it's strong yes but the impact is often "chaotic", it's like, we do our own thing and that Fe sperging out

[@mytypeofmind]

@@Just_Rusted Yeah exactly

[@jaredvaughan1665]

The Ignoring has also been called the Observing. Because it largely observes information that it does not act upon. IE High information but low energy. This information can be taught to others. Especially to our Dual's Role.

[@Just_Rusted]

I've heard it called observing yes

[@kerbalscuffedprogram4705]

People tend to mistake the Painful function for the Observing function. The observing function would actually be closer to a blindspot as it is Vital and Accepting of information from other people while the Painful element tries to produce information with the elements consciously. It is especially notable in EIEs and LIEs (if anything, not caring about dirt or cleanliness of Si is more like Si observing as it seems Accepting rather than Si Painful).

[@tsurk3680]

You could've elaborated a little bit about their Ti suggestive and Ne demonstrative when comparing to IEE. The rest was very clarifying, specially Si-PoLR

[@Just_Rusted]

When it comes to the Ti suggestive, you just look at it from perspective of suggestive and vulnerable. The suggestive wants to be corrected, informed, EIE is not anti-systems, yes they struggle with Ti so help them with it, that's all there is to it, after all their dual is LSI and what does LSI do? Provide a very coherent framework, a structure that he thought about a long time and made sure it's correct, this is what the EIE wants, that is what they need. The attitude of Ti for the IEE is much more painful, you can see a lot of resistance, pushback especially because they are Ne base, think about it, it's all about potential of objects and things, the world around you, potential of people, what happens when you then take a systematic approach of the LSI and tell them "this correlates to this and that correlates to that, sorry, that's the truth" even if you make good points the IEE will struggle heavily because they are Ne base with Ti vulnerable, limitations is not something they want, overall it creates a very weird relationship with Ti where they are all over the place yet they are also rigid and stubborn, it's a mess.

[@mytypeofmind]

Yeah I think this would be helpful as well because I also want to clearly differentiate the 2

[@kamixae263]

@@Just_Rusted That's not how Ti polr works for IEE at all, i don't understand how you struggled to give a correct description when there is literally an official IEE description by Aushra herself where she fully expanded on their Ti polr. Ti polr in IEE manifests in them trying to collect as much information as they can about anything objective, it's a bit like how Te in western is about gathering information. They overall have a broad knowledge rather than an in depth knowledge like a Ti ego would. To the IEE, "Enemies of society" are those who threaten scientific theories (or the world of valuable objects since Se is also in their super-ego block). Huxley is considered by Aushra as the archetype of an IEE in Classic socionics because : He was a polymath scientist and he was known as Charles darwin's "bulldog" because of how he defended Darwin's theory of evolution and fought against the church. IEE's Ti polr make them fighter for objectivity in science, they are constantly looking for an absolute truth. It is true that they can be rigid but not in the way you described. It's not about "limitations". IEEs tend to reject new theories until they see strong evidence for it. Once they accept a certain logic, that's when they will be ready to do anything to defend that logic. Another way the polr could manifest, this one is related to hierarchies : IEEs will try to change their position in the social ladder. Aushra mentionned that they will usually try to pursue high degrees such as PhDs and others. The higher IEE is on the ladder, the more protected they are from having their vulnerable spot triggered. There is so much more to say but overall these are the most fundamental and important things about Ti polr. Now I am a bit worried about the IEE video if you are planning on making one. Please make sure to have a look into the official description by Aushra before you start coming up with your own stuff.

[@masterprocrastinator6026]

Great video. I feel like EIE is one of the most misunderstood types, so it’s good that you explained what it really is about.

[@Just_Rusted]

It's a really cool type and yeah, there are different perceptions of it but i do think people forget it's a rational type, not supposed to be some crazy random expressive degenerate

[@Wes-Tyler]

They can absolutely be crazy random degenerates, just look at Grimes. ​@Just_Rusted

[@Just_Rusted]

Grimes is an IEE lol

[@masterprocrastinator6026]

@@Just_Rusted Facts.

[@sylviaowega3839]

@@Just_RustedYes, I agree.

[@jaredvaughan1665]

Great explanation of - Fe calming emotions down.

[@Just_Rusted]

Cheers

[@rakhatkupeev0311]

As an LIE, I heavily relate to Si PoLR. In my case, I am insecure in my body image, health, my movements and daily things and hands-on work I do, because people would find it weird and criticise me for it. I’ve also done workouts for a very long time(again because of PoLR and 3F) and I find sleep and food intake very stressful as if I fear them because they are very hard things to do and easy to fail for me. I am very unbending and rigid regarding Si, lack nuances, creativity and especially flexibility. There is also some kind of duality with Si since I hate talking about its aspects and nuances, other people talking about daily things they do, I find it senseless and annoying. Si is not a blind spot but in my case I would say it’s my weird and awkward spot. I would also like to know more about Ne demo in EIE and LIE and how it is used unconsciously

[@CRIMS0N_KING]

Please do ILE next! this is so interesting hearing the classic socionics description

[@sylviaowega3839]

For me as an LII, EIE’s have always been a hit and miss. I now have 3 EIE friends that are phenomenal, and have had them for quite a long time. They were the great catalysts whom were great at recognizing my skill set, understood my feelings very well, empathic and greatly intrigued by my hero Ti. At the same token, I have had some EIE’s whom were very toxic, opportunistic, petty and vengeful, albeit still intelligent like the healthy ones. They would incipiently be very intrigued by my Ti, like the healthy EIE, but then suddenly for some strange reason they would ghost me, talk behind my back, get extremely ragy, try to make me feel like an idiot if they didn’t agree with me, get very jealous and get extremely vengeful.

[@Shade571]

A couple of other examples of EIE I have seen in Fiction are V from V for Vendetta and Possibly Alpha from The Walking Dead That scene where Negan Moralfagged her was pretty Fi Ignoring

[@Just_Rusted]

Yeah agreed with V but not sure about Alpha, she typed ENTJ 8w7 lmao

[@rpd0825]

⁠@@Just_Rustedalpha idk how to type, my closest guess is a really unhinged SO8 “We walk in darkness, we are free. We bathe in blood, we are free. We love nothing, we are free. We fear nothing, we are free. We need no words, we are free. We embrace all death, we are free. This is the end of the world. Now is the end of the world. We are the end of the world.” Sounds like rlly twisted gamma -Fi or maybe beta Ti

[@Shade571]

@@Just_Rusted I don’t really see Fi Suggestive in her mainly, she’s defo not an Se Base because of how strategic and patient she is nor is she an 8 core When Negan moral fagged her for putting on a Facade of an emotionless animal and wanting to kill her own daughter she just ignored it whilst holding back tears and went “It’s her destiny, nature intended this, she was made for this” Plus Beta is a definite LSI, so him and her being duals makes sense Especially when she Manipulates him and Motivates him to Join her

[@Just_Rusted]

I have not watched her so i can't say but Shade has made some points

[@Shade571]

@@rpd0825 I don’t think So8 because she is definitely not an Se-Fi user Nor is she an Ni(+) or an Ne(-) user so why would she be an SLE The way she manipulated Beta was extremely Fe Base Beta: So you can move with them, when you’re covered? Alpha: It’s not just about moving with them, you’ve gotta become them, feel what they feel Beta: What do they feel? Alpha: Nothing, there are two kinds of people left in this world, the ones brave enough to walk with the dead, and everybody else, So tell me, which one are you? *she then tries to take off his Mask but he grabs her hand with pure fearful rage* Beta: Leave at Sunrise, Don’t Come Back!!!!!! All of that is pretty Fe Base and Beta Core

[@Moheroine]

Thanks for this video

[@jograves8859]

Is this the beginning of new series? Excited if so!

[@Just_Rusted]

Yes i wanna go with that and maybe even do revision of all the elements with classic socionics

[@jograves8859]

@@Just_Rusted Sounds awesome! Im just getting used to socionics so the more the better!

[@Egomie_666]

​@@Just_RustedYes this revision is a brilliant direction.

[@jackpreacher71]

2:12 by the way, I think Darth Sidious in Star Wars is literally the "best" example for an EIE.

[@Just_Rusted]

Another "ENTJ" , it really is such a common thing with the EIEs

[@Jasper_C_]

@@Just_Rusted Even better, "INTJ" Darth Sidious.

[@Just_Rusted]

It's over

[@Jasper_C_]

Looking forward to a video about IEI

[@Just_Rusted]

Well prepare for it because it ain't going to be this hyper dramatic sperg who is emo as all fck and wants to sperg on others

[@Jasper_C_]

@@Just_Rusted Haha, it better not be!

[@ROSTOVOKIN]

hi fig , thank you for typing me , I'm sevvs friend btw , i really appreciate it 🙏💯🔥

[@Just_Rusted]

Cheers

[@Heyheihioo]

Help the algo guys, this channel is underrated asf 🎉

[@creator_of_drama]

You are slightly wrong on a couple of points. But no. EIEs are not altruistic leaders and so on. You are typing a personality, not a TIM.

[@Just_Rusted]

EIE in it's archetype is a person focused on causes of others, be it group, community, society, global and what not, being other focused basically, they often champion for people and there is self perception of altruistic action done, you see this in many EIEs like martin luther king, tupac even down to the most horrible, hitler who was responsible for genocide yet often see as a saviour and a hero by many of his people, he used to paint himself as someone who did it for the greater good of his people. It is not altruism in the sense that they have to be good people

[@khoshiumi]

couldn't have been said better

[@Just_Rusted]

Les go

[@anjociborgue]

V is also a great example

[@Just_Rusted]

He is

[@username12603]

Unrelated to EIE but what is Se vulnerable like? Cheers mate

[@Just_Rusted]

Hey man, for Se vulnerable, external qualities of things and mobilisation of people is point of pain, in the EII case they are said to dislike compliments/comments about their looks and any attention being dragged to such matters

[@leonmicov5505]

So the fact that ESE has Role Te means they would also be good at productivity and efficency? Cuz i have a hard time seeing a sp2 or sx2 having good Te. Btw not dissagreeing just asking.

[@Just_Rusted]

The difference is simply the charge and how the Te can manifest in them, they can be a bit demanding with it for sure ESE is Te+ Logic of Acceleration [+]: To work swiftly and rapidly, to complete a lot of work at once, to “jump” into activity and burn out when it’s complete. Logic of Results [+]: To work with any process that will get a result, to ensure that work actually happens, to get the job done, to make things work now. docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/e/2PACX-1vRqBgNBxBoNM1d4epYCW8KHgbX2dwhlWDbR1AApcMqw28oThgdEcHms4TOcmQ7YV8nkR1gYMbgEsmhV/pub?pli=1

[@leonmicov5505]

@@Just_Rusted So the ESE would be more scattered and burn out more easily since they just tryna get the result?

[@Just_Rusted]

That could be it yes, also keep in mind they are very energetic type, they got Se demonstrative.

[@leonmicov5505]

@@Just_Rusted Thanjs for replying🙏

[@fatcatpatdat]

Probably not a good idea to use signs of elements (+-) for explanations. Even socionic articles aren't in agreement about them. For instance, in Gulenko's original introduction, it is ESE with Fe- and EIE with Fe+ opposite to your explanations.

[@Just_Rusted]

Yeah but Gulenko is not even Model A so what he does with his charges is irrelevant

[@fatcatpatdat]

@@Just_Rusted But Gulenko was the guy who introduced those charges into Model A in the first place; this was before he went off onto his own system and other DCNH nonsense. All of that is to say, in Model A (with charges) ESE is still Fe- & EIE Fe+. And yes, that is strange, which is one of the many reasons function signs are confusing

[@Just_Rusted]

@@fatcatpatdat Well then gulenko must've been tripping if the charges work differently

[@fatcatpatdat]

@@Just_Rusted 🤷‍♂that seems to be a trend with Gulenko; so I just ignore any "new", "experimental" theories he ever proposed. The biggest offenders are plus/minus of functions & DCNH. Gulenko IMO is best when he is discussing dry, basic socionics concepts that everyone agrees on like his type descriptions and intertype relationships. The moment he veers into his own niche theories and concepts, shit hits the fan

[@jaredvaughan1665]

A correctly typed EIE is a correctly typed mbti-ENFJ 100% of the time.

[@Just_Rusted]

We agree bro

[@jaredvaughan1665]

@Just_Rusted Thanks for the reply! Jack does his best to claim that Socionics and mbti types are not interchangeable. Similar to how GM and Ford make sure their parts don't fit into each other's vehicles. But in reality, FeNi is essentially the same in both systems. The main difference is Socionics better defines FeNi and all the other functions. Also: Only the introverted sensors have different ego blocks between mbti and Socionics. This is because of the mbti introverted sensing ego block error. Observation & Socionics proves ALL mbti-SJs lead with judging. ALL mbti-SPs lead with sensation. Only Socionics correctly shows: Mbti-ISFJ / ISFj (ESI) actually leads with FiSe = Relations enforced. Mbti-ISTJ / ISTj (LSI) actually leads with TiSe = laws enforced ✏️ 📝 Mbti-ISTP / ISTp (SLI) actually leads with SiTe = Sensory pragmatism 🔨 🛠 🪛 🔧 Mbti-ISFP / ISFp (SEI) actually leads with SiFe = Sensory mood 💋 💄

[@Just_Rusted]

I do believe like you that indeed, they are the same thing, they all work on the same principles and even how they are described overlaps to a point of nearly 1 to 1

[@sylviaowega3839]

Btw, I always believe that CS Joseph an EIE, not an ILE, as he always shows his concerns to humanity, is into aesthetics and fashion, bases his judgement on thinking in lieu of thinking, and yet is still pragmatic.

[@jaredvaughan1665]

@@sylviaowega3839 An ILE takes on the best aspects of their LSE Benefactor and the worst aspects of their EIE Beneficiary. Perhaps that could be what you are seeing.

[@dozdano]

Npc type😂🎉I got a little problem in typology. Im between TiSe and TeNi. I correlate to Lsi Sx6 but im afraid im actually Te base. Could by any chance TeNi be Lsi? Thanks in advance

[@Just_Rusted]

Why do you believe you are Te base? TeNi works completely differently from LSI, it's not going to work

[@dozdano]

Could you give me example of Ti vs Te base in two charactetrs

[@Just_Rusted]

LSI: Levi Ackerman, Batman, Rorscharch, Severus Snape, Silco, Wednesday Addams, Morpheus “Dream” TeNi (LIE): Erwin Smith, Francis J underwood, Five Hargreeves, Peter Baelish, Thomas Shelby TeSi (LSE): Mothers milk, Kratos, Terence Fletcher, Omni-man, Peacemaker, Thanos, Tywin Lannister, Hermione Granger

[@dozdano]

@@Just_Rusted Thank you so much😍

[@upperwill]

@@Just_Rusted I think omniman is a LSI.

[@Jade-o6w2r]

Can an ENFJ be an IEI?

[@rickyinfinite5229]

Great, EIEs are not monkeys, but how exactly??? and why are ESE more chaotic than EIEs???

[@IsaacKing-yf4ty]

This type is ridiculously overtyped. Any person that is slightly emotional or dramatic is typed as EIE even if the person has poor ethics.

[@Just_Rusted]

Oh yes, extremely overtyped, if someone cares about justice and impact they get typed EIE.