Rover P6 vs Rover SD1 V8 - Old Rover CAN Learn New Tricks!

[@MotoMark55]

P6 for me. Dad owned a car repair business in Newcastle when I was young. He owned a succession of fairly humdrum 4 cylinder family cars in the 70s. One day he was asked to deliver two P6 V8's back to a husband & wife in Northumberland after carrying some minor work on them. He took me along for the ride. It was my first ever ride in a V8 & I was dumbstruck. Loved them ever since 😍

[@K1lostream]

P6 for me too - my earliest car memory is the well-off neighbour across the street from my parents house had the V8 P6, and he’d had a full stainless exhaust put on it - I was too young to know any of that detail at the time (my dad filled me in later) but that was the first time I realised a car could make a sound that I loved. It was loud but not crazy loud, and it had this deep, burbling rumble. I’ve never owned a Rover, or anything with a V8 in it, but I’ve always gone after cars that sound good, and that P6 sowed the seed.

[@Jiminidriver]

My late father was Rover Service School Training Manager. My school boy days were filled with many a P5B, P6, P6B and SD1s.. My most abiding memory was a American Spec Lefthand drive P6BS with a 5 speed manual transmission in a really sporty Red colour....all the American market trim and gizmos....What a car....!!

[@davids2350]

Our dads would’ve known each other I’m sure. Mine did a similar role in Scotland before Leyland sent us to Kenya in the 70’s. I remember all those beautiful cars back in the day. I had several trips to the factories in the holidays and now live where one used to be. Absolutely wonderful stuff.

[@justas525]

SD1 for me definetely. That styling is timeless. David Bache did an excellent job especially in series 1 guise. It looks so pure interior such a minimalist, but yet it looks so inviting and comfortable

[@jimmyjones9780]

In 1975 my dad bought the new Rover 3500 S in monza red with all the extras .... Simply a wonderful car .... Then in 1995 traded the Rover in for a new W140 Mercedes S class 420 which he kept until he passed away in 2012 .... Another wonderful car which I later sold to a project Mercedes enthusiast.

[@marc80sroverfan95]

I am biased as a SD1 owner but I also like and deeply respect the older ones like the P5 and P6. Nice video as always.

[@Nite-owl]

Loved all 3 of the SD1's I had in the 80's. Weren't built the best, but they had an undeniable charm.

[@PaulMarshall-kp8dz]

Great video. This is how Top Gear used to be before it got silly. Very well told story. Thanks.

[@rockall66]

Yes! Before it became a car show for millionaires.

[@michaelpeacock6360]

Remember as a teenager going to the NEC and seeing a SD1 Vitesse...wowzer

[@am19arch]

P6, stylish and authoritative design - timeless

[@rxj1]

Rover SD1 for me, but I’m biased as I own two of these cars. 😊

[@ClassicsWorldUK]

Great taste!

[@colinhutchinson5282]

One of my abiding memories of my sd1 is how flat it stayed when cornering

[@JohnHoganN8]

Had a SD1 V8 S with the gold wheels which was fabulous.

[@jimmyjones9780]

A first-class presentation by two talented presenters.

[@ClassicsWorldUK]

Thanks Jimmy!

[@geoffclarke3796]

SD1 for me. A family friend had an SD1 Vitesse when I was a kid in the mid 80's and I just loved this car with its 190 bhp fuel injected V8 and the Ferrari Daytona inspired handling. I like the styling of the P6 and it has the more advanced suspension but there can't have been much wrong with the handing of the SD1 as a motorsport version won the 1984 UK Touring Car Championshi in 1984 in the hands of Andy Rouse.

[@RR-kb2ks]

Both lovely - great video, thanks!

[@ClassicsWorldUK]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@57northphoto32]

“Sided with the Princess” if you’d said that at the beginning I’d have switched off straight away 🤣🤣🤣, either or for me, they’re both fantastic cars. Great video btw👍🏻.

[@richardshearwoodport]

I ran several P6s in the '80s, including the 2000, 2000 TC, 2200 TC and 3500. The most fun to drive was a 1965 2000 TC, which was the road-going version of the Monte Carlo rally car. Super handling and very controllable in a drift. So far as a comparison between he P6 3500 and SD1 3500 goes - I remember a conversation with a Police pursuit driver, who said that, if he was after a villain, he'd choose the P6.

[@robertyork4041]

I loved my 2000 TC and agree 100% about its ability to flatter the driver with its willingness to drift on (and off) roundabouts, but always in a controllable way.

[@matthewkite1]

My dad had a p6 in royal blue amazing car loved the V8 Burble as a kid

[@ClassicsWorldUK]

What a car to ride to school in!

[@alandobson8697]

I purchased a 3 year old 3500VDP around 1987. Loved the car, ran it up to 185,000 miles. Followed it with the latest VDP EFI I could find. This was faster and would average 23MPG! No other cars I have owned since have been a worthy replacement to these special Rovers.

[@brianbarker6611]

P6 for me. Last proper rover. And about time they getting publicised for how good they are. Get one now whilst they are affordable because the 3500 and 3500s are climbing in value quite quickly. Great video

[@fredlenz4743]

Nothing beats a Rover P6

[@johnnorman7044]

i have had a P6b i have had and have a SD1 V8 and have a 820turbo and out of them i would have the SD1 any time it just is a out and out drivers car it's just so so good and the sound track full fat V8 is to die for !

[@bryandeacon9404]

At the age of 20 in 1979 I bought my bosses 1974 P6 3500S white, black leather interior. Virtually a day passes without my reminiscing and wishing I had kept it. A truly fantastic car in every respect. I've grown to really like the P5 but P6 3500S is my all time classic.

[@kevindoyle5402]

Have loved the SD1 since I was a kid, growing up in the 80's. Still looks fantastic!!

[@paulowen-iy6vm]

I had 3 Rover SDI1's and even today theres nothing i have driven that has the same feeling. An M5 is close, but just not as good. These were just brilliant to drive. Esp the V8. The video explain it well. Your mum could drive it around feel very relaxed or they could fly down the road, and also sounded great tooAnd they looked stunning too. Yes the build wasnt brilliant but the driving expweraince was. Unless you have driven one this is hard to explain., they were just so nice to drive. The police loved them so much they stock plied them when production ended. That tells a lot.

[@WolfiePeters]

Having driven both and owned a P6, it's not an easy choice, but I'll go for the P6 3500 V8. Still Walkinshaw managed to win the European and British touring car championships with the SD1 and that was pretty well at the end of its production run.

[@-DC-]

Always loved the SD1 but when you read the magazine long term tests in Period they must have been infuriating to own, The P6 needs no excuses for design or quality it's just a fantastic car.

[@deansawyer3575]

A genuine and fair appraisal of both these classic Rovers, both way ahead of their time and still valid today. The build quality of the P6 was far superior to the SD1, I have to say ,having owned both models in the 70's, but the SD1 was so much more spacious. The magic of both cars was the pairing with the fabulous V8, particularly with an automatic box. If I was to choose between the two, it would probably be the P6, but tomorrow I might change my mind, it's really that difficult.

[@EvilUnderTone]

I sold them both out of a London showroom in the 80s. I'd have the P6 every time. In fact I have! I own a 76 V8 P6 that I've covered 50,000 "trouble free" miles in. Bet not many SD1 owners can say the same. The P6 was designed by Rover. The SD1 was designed by BL. My father drove them both for the Met Police. His and most ex police drivers I've spoken with preferred the P6 to the SD1. You make your choices.

[@johanslabbert2869]

Ah yes, my two favourite presenters on this channel. What a treat!

[@ClassicsWorldUK]

Thanks Johan! -Joe & Phil

[@pedward1313]

I would love to have them both. When I was younger I would always go for the SD1 (3500 V8 Vitesse), but now I’m over 50 I think it has to be the P6 (but only in 3500 V8 guise). Great video guys!

[@itspart]

I worked in a car spares company in the mid 80's as a delivery driver. I smashed the van so the Boss let me use his SD1 VItesse as the company van. Needless to say I drove it like I stole it all around Bradford delivering parts to workshop garages. I was only 19.. Happy days

[@AledPritchard]

You’ve got a habit of making videos which makes choosing the winning car very difficult. I love them both. If I had to choose… I can’t. Great video as per guys. ❤

[@RobinHullBuilds]

I recall being on a shout in the SD1 and being impressed with the handling at speed. Sitting in the radio operators seat with the A21 at Catford rushing by at 110mph the SD1 felt solid. My driver had also driven the P6 and told me he preferred the older vehicle as he felt more confident going through tight gaps, quoting a time when he drove between two buses in Lewisham and judging the width of the P6 by the little raised light-on indicators on top of the side lights!

[@billsinclair6515]

lest we forget, the SD1 was European Car of the year 1977

[@vincentsmith8345]

Great video, we must however when making these videos think about how we talk about the Sd1 build quality, all cars built late 70s had there own issues, however later Sd1s didn't suffer as the early cars did through the BL strikes.

[@terryramsey1470]

I love both of these motor's had the pleasure of driving both my old man loved them too he preferred the p6 happy days thanks for the lovely trip down memory lane 😊 ❤

[@philiptheoret9311]

I Brought a p6 v8! When I was 18 years old back in 1980s! You could buy these cars and insure them cheap! I loved that car wish I still had it! It was like new when I bought off an old guy!!! Just a great car!!!!!

[@deansawyer3575]

I remember that they were not particularly cheap to insure, particularly if you were only 18.

[@peterriggall8409]

The P6 is my number one favourite car but……in Vitesse FI manual form I wound be sorely tempted. Great video thanks Joe and Phil. Have passed video on to Rover Car Club Aus. As I did your last one too.

[@ClassicsWorldUK]

Thanks Peter, appreciate your support as always! :)

[@ukrestorevival]

Love this! Tough choice as always.

[@ClassicsWorldUK]

It really is!

[@stevieboyNI]

Two beautiful cars, i honestly couldn't pick between them. Thanks for this great vid lads.

[@ClassicsWorldUK]

Our pleasure!

[@shanecollie5177]

I had a p6b 3500, and would like to have another, and will do one of these years. however i currently have a 1985 SD1 vandenplas manual with a bored & stroked v8 (4.6 litre). The SD1 is just so much more useable as a regularly driven car.

[@fasthracing]

Showing my age, but remember tipping up at Kennings BL dealership in Buxton to see the the then brand new SD1 in my fathers P6 3500 V8S. The SD1 looked like a space ship in comparison to the P6. The thing I remember most was the box like dashboard.

[@JohnH-UK958]

I had a P6 V8 auto when I as a student and for some reason that I never established, it didn't have the reserve lever and being a poor student I quite regularly ran out of fuel. It took me a few occasions of this to realise I had to put two gallons in before it would start again 🙄 It was thirsty though and I remember one specific occasion in the early eighties when I had an early Monday morning drive up the A1 to get back for work and somehow got into a 'convoy' with (I think) a BMW 5 series and possibly a Vauxhall Carlton. As the speeds increased between the roundabouts I could actually see the needle of the fuel gauge move on its path ever downwards. A subsequent calculation reckoned on about 13 mpg!

[@jagolago-bob]

I can't decide. I love both cars.

[@3ducs]

In 1967 I was shopping for my first car. I test drove a Volvo 544, the model with the funky pre-war styling, and a Rover 2000TC, the American version of the 2 liter model. I liked both those cars, was really impressed with the Rover's braking and cornering. I eventually bought a 1963 Alfa Romeo 1600 Sprint Normale, the first of many Alfas to come. Still, I've always liked the Rovers, though I don't think I would've been tempted by one with that orange cloth interior.

[@jackjacko8706]

I have owned both models, and regret selling either. My SD1 Series two 1986 being the last model was a joy to drive long distances . But the P6 was really suited to windy roads and with the De Doin rear suspension giving a sense of security. As a side note the SD1 is the only car I have driven at over 200 klm per hour. No wonder the Police in the U K loved them.

[@minimaxi802]

The Rover SD1 was initially launched in 1976 with the 3500 engine only, 2300 and 2600 came a year later, a large hatchback, but the interior unlike the P6 had no wood or leather or even a Rover badge on the steering wheel. Its replacement was the 800 series both saloon and hatchback.

[@grimbusa]

SD1 had wood and leather 😉

[@minimaxi802]

@@grimbusa Early cars 1976-81 did not

[@andrewalmeida3029]

Two of my favourite cars. Absolutely brilliant!

[@ClassicsWorldUK]

Couldn't agree more!

[@Mr.Wrong1]

Same here. Lament Rovers passing. Loved those old cars.

[@andrewscott5713]

I was always a fan of Rovers, and particularly any of the V8's. I bought a P6 3500S in 1984, and loved that car, despite struggling to keep fuel in it on an apprentice's wage, so eventually it had to go for something more economical. Then later in life, having worked with an older chap who had an immaculate red Rover SD1 Vitesse, as in your video, I went out and bought a red manual SD1 3500 VDP. Lovely car, beautiful lines and styling, but for me the P6 was the better engineered and more unique car.

[@saxonuk14]

I loved the P6 when I was a child, always nagging my father to buy one (though he never did). I remember hating the look of the SD1 when it came out as the replacement. The SD1 has aged well as a look, so I now quite like it, but I still love the P6. The emotional memories are too strong.

[@roygardiner2229]

I loved the video: both cars are smashing. As an older chap the Rover P6 is more "from my youthful era". Actually, I always knew them (with that body shape), erroneously, to be Rover 2000s. The styling pleases my eye very much. What's more the interior too is lovely. I noticed that even the rear seats look to be very comfortable. As for the SD1, I like it but I don't LOVE it. It somehow always makes me think of the police. Maybe it scares me a bit. Thanks again for your very enjoyable presentation. 👍

[@frankyork5808]

Rover P5B Coupe is the most beautifully styled of the three.

[@sthelenshistorychannel]

Vitesse, all day - TP version was the pinnacle of Rover cars.

[@peterbradburn9115]

Had an old banger of an SD1. Was only the straight six 2600, but could shift. And the handling was surprisingly good, at least compared to the old Cortinas and Granadas I'd had before. No doubt the P6 the better car, but th SD1 was a beast of a motor. Loved it

[@opelmonzagse]

Love the SD1 having owned an 81 V8 VDP, but for me the P6 is the epitome of Rover Car Co Ltd Lode Lane, Solihull, Warwickshire. England !!

[@shankarbalan3813]

SD1 - Superb looker. And must have been terrific with that big V8…

[@sugarnads]

That 'big (lol) V8' made a tiny bit more power than most french 2.2 litre 4s. They were dog slow.

[@shankarbalan3813]

@ but they sounded good with headers and a free flow exhaust etc

[@grimbusa]

@@sugarnads7.1 to 60 dog slow? 😮

[@sugarnads]

@grimbusa having driven a NEW v8 sd1 vandenplas i can assure you it would only do 7.1sec 0-100kph if pushed off a cliff. Maybe a vitesse. A 2litre renault 20 was faster. And didnt fall apart if you looked at it.

[@sugarnads]

@@shankarbalan3813 sure. Most v8s do.

[@shirleyboy8859]

Never driven a P6 but would like to.... My first SD1(first of 6) was a white one, and back in the early 80`s BSC ( before speed cameras ) I used the M1 a lot, Family in Yorkshire, work in Surrey.... I loved how other drivers would pull out of the way when they saw a White SD1 approaching at speed.... Must have thought it was a Police car.... Great Fun..... But it meant I could have a drink at lunch time, nip down to Surrey and be back in time for the Evening session........ Different/Better times........ :-)) xxx

[@liverpoolscottish6430]

The worst thing that ever happened to Rover- BRITISH LEYLAND. Prior to coming under the BL umbrella, Rover was run by ENGINEERS- whatever they wanted, they got when it came to budgets. That's why the P6 was such a sophisticated design- it was high quality engineering. When BL took over, the bean counters immediately stifled the engineers and they had budgets imposed on them. I've owned a 3500 P6 for seven years now, and I love it. My father owned a 3500S back in the late 70's when I was 8-10 years old, I loved it. I also own a very interesting Capri- owned for 30 years, and a very nice 1997 XK8 4.0. It's a great trio to own- the Capri, which bashes out 290 Bhp is a rocket ship. The Rover is a superb touring car- extremely comfortable and effortless. The XK8 incorporates some sporting performance with comfort. The SD1? My father replaced the 3500S with an SD1 3500 auto- owned it for 7 years and it proved reliable and didn't rot for fun of it either. I was 13 when the Vitesse came out and I recall walking a couple of miles to the Harry James dealership on Edge Lane, Liverpool. My mate and I stood in awe with our faces pressed against the glass window of the showroom lusting after a new silver Vitesse. The SD1 is a truly stunning piece of design by David Bache- regardless of it's well known foibles ie dodgy build quality, it's one of the those cars that you can forgive and still admire. I would live to own an SD1 V8 at some point in time- but good one's are scarce.

[@philiptidmarsh]

Blimey that is a tough choice. As commented on the P5 VS P6 video I have owned my p5b for nearly thirty years but have always fancied a V8 P6. With these two I have always loved the SD1 with many fond memories of them from back in the day. An impossible choice but a SD1 Vitesse probably would edge it for me personally but agree the P6 is probably the better car. However this is all totally irrelevant as my P5b ain't going anywhere .....

[@martindehavilland-fox3175]

SD1 for me any day! We had several over the years, one after the other. The ultimate two were both VdP EFi versions. If I could find a left-hooker, as I live in Spain, I'd buy a good example tomorrow!

[@michaellavictoire1384]

P6 for me, although the SD1 was a great looking car

[@alfagtvjan]

Love the alloys on the P6

[@Richard-Bullock]

When I was a boy in the 1980's, my dad had a 1976 P6 3500 S which he put a 5 speed SD1 manual gearbox in, and a 1983 SD1 3500 SE manual. I simply cannot choose between them. If money allowed me to do so, I would very gladly have one of each. In the 1990's one of my neighbours had a very, very rare SD1 2400 SD Turbo Diesel. I would love to find one of those now.

[@ukrobh]

My father replaces a Jag 340 with a V8 P6. I got to drive both. The P6 was LIGHT years better than the Jag. More power and more pace. Better cornering and the stability under powerful braking with the innovative extensive safety features built in gave reassurance that this car could take car of you. Despite the fact it was in 1969 it still ranks amongst the best cars I have driven

[@giulianomarco]

Anyone else fancy a jam sandwich? 😁👍

[@paulelverstone8677]

I'm a big SD1 fan - no more so than of the Vitesse twin plenum. I'd have one tomorrow and would forgive it (almost) everything...

[@Oceans_Sail]

I had the successor to the SD1 - the Honda derived 2 litre thingy. It is memorable simply for the fact that I can’t remember a single thing about it except that it was white. For me P6 and P5 V8s get my vote. Great cars.

[@andrewdenby8239]

P6 was always a car of fascination when I was growing up, SD1s are, in my experience, nothing but trouble...

[@bencalvy1542]

Love them both but the P6 without a doubt for me❤

[@adriver4471]

P6 3500S awesome car and built like a tank 🤩

[@ClassicsWorldUK]

It sure is!

[@harryshaw3760]

Just don’t mention the manual gearbox.

[@bobhodes2259]

The p6 for me ! In my young timestamp iliked him it was my favoriet saloon

[@TheSimonhammond]

Yes I see both sides....but the SD1 went touring car racing and went rallying and was piloted by Tony Pond....it was on the original Professionals, mostly everyone's dad had one. The VP is my go to SD1.

[@paulboyle6857]

I'd have them both but the SD1 would have to be a Vitesse!

[@herme99]

My Dad had a brown P6 in the early 70s, when I was very young. I don’t remember travelling in it unfortunately. After that he got a Citroen, and then in the 1980s we moved to Singapore, and he imported a new red SD1 3500, which was the only one in the country at the time I think. The import tax was horrendous even back then.

[@YangGQ]

I can assure you the import taxes are worse now! But now! if your SD1 is 35 years old (as they all are) - you can import it into Singapore! But you do still have to pay 100% import tax and 20% customs duty and a $11,000 extra fee for the COE.

[@chrislane3974]

A later P6 V8 auto (as shown) vs a late SD1 Vanden Plas EFi well there's a challenge! The P6 fits like a nice well tailored suit.

[@richardcarter1000]

I think the P6 was peak Rover for me. Love the SD1, but they were cheaply built. I had a 2200tc. Great car, would love a V8 or early 2000 still

[@crazyforcars]

Thanks for the video. I must say, the P6 never really got me. The design was already old when I first saw it and the overall appearance was not appealing. It's the opposite with the SD1. What a car. The instrument cluster looks like the ones in new cars but without those shitty touchscreens...It's a pity that these are so unreliable. So none of both will end up in my garage. Nevertheless, two interesting cars nicely presented.

[@Suprahampton]

If the SD1 had the build quality & innovation of the P6 it'd have been a great car

[@apeberdy]

As much as I love the SD1 styling it was a step back in engineering terms. So it has to be the p6!

[@Simont6.0]

The SD1 in the video has the TP fitted but a B plate...a bit early?? and the cills are black..should be body colour

[@john1703]

In 1963, the P6 had a 2 litre 4 cylinder engine, which competed with the 6 cylinder Triumph 2000. The P6B did not arrive until 1968.

[@TheStobb50]

I still think the SD1 is the best looking 4 door car ever built period

[@carguyuk7525]

I had a few sd1 vitesse's. Brilliant car but so incredibly difficult to keep working. There was always something to fix. Eventually rust gets the best of it. I had a vitesse auto but i did modify it to a manual.

[@ijoseluis]

Both. Wonderful card.

[@Eric_L456]

Tough choice. Loved my Dad’s 2000TC (NAO743F where are you now?) but a friend had a series of V8 SD1 s which were fantastic. A dead heat ?

[@alfamonk]

P6 but damn - those wheels gotta go! + I love the boot-mounted spare-wheel version

[@daveshongkongchinachannel]

The Vitesse makes it a lot harder to choose between the two. The genuinely good performance even by modern standards and the fantastic looks of the Vitesse would be so tempting. I wonder if a manual P6 would make that decision a bit easier although it would still be 4 speed versus 5. Maybe I'm getting old but I feel the P6, although it ended it's life during the BL times was born in the true Rover era and was truly revolutionary for it's time not only on the surface with those gorgeous lines but underneath with it construction and clever suspension. Also totally prefer the dash of the P6 even when compared to the later SD1.

[@DavidMaud-j4u]

My dad in law..also my best mate... bought a carb v8 sd1 just to be chauffeured around in...i drove it a lot and remember absolutely vaporising golf gtis at the time

[@simonhodgetts6530]

Much as I’ve always adored the SD1’s styling, inside and out (it has such amazing presence, even now), I’ve come to really appreciate just how sophisticated the P6’s engineering was for the mid-60s. Such a car would never have been developed under BL. The SD1 also suffered from woeful build quality - and later, rust, which quickly turned them into bangers. A shame - it really was a lovely thing, and a well-sorted version must be an absolute joy to own. Certainly a drive in an SD1 is on my classic car bucket list!

[@Luke-PlanesTrainsDogsnCars]

Yep ..even in Australia the SD1rusted..and rust is rarely a problem here, on salted winter roads in the UK they must have just dissolved with most suburban areas appearing not to have garages...so they would be continually wet.

[@robertcook2572]

rust-bucket list

[@theoriginaldanalogue]

@@robertcook2572😂

[@Tom-ok3le]

P6 B , for sure !

[@shebbs1]

A P6 and a P5 Coupe for me. SD1 is a step backwards underneath. V8's for me...despite their modest V8 stats. Oh, and manuals.

[@carguyuk7525]

AA badge on the sd1 needs to go.

[@bondjamesbond9041]

No contest. The P6 is far superior than the SD1 due to it's innovative engineering and build quality. Love the way the P6 doors shut with a quality sound.

[@shebbs1]

Have to agree. Totally.

[@ThomasDoubting5]

The interior on the P6 is amazing

[@GeoffLord1]

I had a White P6 V8 3500 which was a Brilliant car. I have owned many Luxury cars over the Years but the Rover V8 P6 is top of my favourite cars list.

[@robertblair-uk4ph]

Had I been there when they were new and having to try and daily drive them, I'd take the P6. The SD1 would have driven me nuts. However, in the context of today, where they're just toys and reliability and livewithable-ness doesn't matter, give me a mint manual V8 EFi SD1 Vanden Plas. God I'd do unspeakable things for one.

[@BigMac58]

From memory, the SD1 had relatively poor reliability. The P6 was, I think, much better on that front. My father had both the original Triumph 2000 and then a Rover 2000 and whilst the Triumph had issues the Rover did not. By the time it came to change car again the reliability concerns with the SD1 caused him to move over to an Audi 100, ending up eventually with an Audi 200 turbo - what a car that was!

[@teamhandsome1974]

Are this alloy wheels on the P6 factory? They look fab.

[@rxj1]

No. They are Rover SD1 Series 1 alloy wheels.

[@SabotsLibres]

The 2000 arrived in 1963 - the 3500 didn't truly arrive on the market until nearly 5 years later, after the P5B was launched... and the deep grill did not feature on the original 2000 nor the later 2200 models; it was 3500 specific

[@TheLemon777]

Have you seen the film called IN TIME. pretty sure there are a P6 or two in there. Like Gattaca with the cabrio DS.