Clem vs MaxPax GRAND FINALS - Ultimate Terran vs Protoss Showdown! (StarCraft 2)

Best-of-5 series of top level StarCraft 2 that is the finals of the ESL Open Cup 191 for the European region and server. In this series we watch MaxPax (Protoss) and Clem (Terran) play an incredible close match, as both players are evenly matched and capable of winning at any time.
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[@k.l.e.m5345]

In french the gateway is called "Portail" And the Warpgate is called "Porte de transfert"

[@burgesj7]

That's way too many words

[@BigHeadClan]

@@burgesj7 That pretty much sums up the French Language from what I remember from my school days. lol

[@uziel1221]

Its very similar to the Spanish version, Gateway is "Portal" and Warpgate is "Portal de transposición".

[@Madosatoshist]

Sounds gay.

[@TenpuraOnRice]

The terrans benefit tremendously in terms of resources. Thanks to MULE, I spend less resources on SCV and only have 1 type of mechanic shield-up, so there is a lot of resource benefit The scanning range is also very wide. Blizzard have to block the Battle Cruiser for 5 seconds from using the Yamato Cannon and Tactical Jump LIBERATOR & Ghost Sniper so OOOOOOPPPPPP. On the other hand, Protoss & Zerg need to invest more in ground and air defense upgrades respectively Even Zerg & Protoss' defense towers cannot recover resources, but Terran has another resource benefit with the bunker recovery function In terms of resources, Protoss & Zerg are at a huge disadvantage overall The zerg is still garbage INFESTOR skill Deleted but Ghost skill always non Deleted!!!!WTH! Zerg units are expensive to upgrade and take a long time to complete The tech building is also expensive, but you have to invest 50 more minerals called drones there and pay 50 minerals again to produce the lost drone Are the zerg a cheap tribe? Fukshieeeeet. Zerg most expensive and inefficient tribe Zerg adds minerals and gas when transforming units No race is more expensive than the Zerg One last thing on my mind. Terran Cyclone & Battle Cruiser can auto-attack Protoss Phoenix & Carrier can auto-attack Zerg have no such units Blizzard needs to patch these issues quickly nonono, please delete the zerg SC2 only requires Terran and Protoss Blizzard Always just trash balance thank you so much!

[@chrono254]

Gateways are called "porte de transfert" wich translates as transfer door. Passerelle is used to describe a small bridge in French

[@mtti725]

J'allais le dire

[@night4345]

I prefer casserole personally.

[@celrak7667]

Un peu le seum de rentrer tard chez moi x)

[@spikeweaver]

'PorteS de transfert' tecnically, since it's plural. Love lowko's pronunciation though 🙂

[@TenpuraOnRice]

The terrans benefit tremendously in terms of resources. Thanks to MULE, I spend less resources on SCV and only have 1 type of mechanic shield-up, so there is a lot of resource benefit The scanning range is also very wide. Blizzard have to block the Battle Cruiser for 5 seconds from using the Yamato Cannon and Tactical Jump LIBERATOR & Ghost Sniper so OOOOOOPPPPPP. On the other hand, Protoss & Zerg need to invest more in ground and air defense upgrades respectively Even Zerg & Protoss' defense towers cannot recover resources, but Terran has another resource benefit with the bunker recovery function In terms of resources, Protoss & Zerg are at a huge disadvantage overall The zerg is still garbage INFESTOR skill Deleted but Ghost skill always non Deleted!!!!WTH! Zerg units are expensive to upgrade and take a long time to complete The tech building is also expensive, but you have to invest 50 more minerals called drones there and pay 50 minerals again to produce the lost drone Are the zerg a cheap tribe? Fukshieeeeet. Zerg most expensive and inefficient tribe Zerg adds minerals and gas when transforming units No race is more expensive than the Zerg One last thing on my mind. Terran Cyclone & Battle Cruiser can auto-attack Protoss Phoenix & Carrier can auto-attack Zerg have no such units Blizzard needs to patch these issues quickly nonono, please delete the zerg SC2 only requires Terran and Protoss Blizzard Always just trash balance thank you so much!

[@Kagutsuchi4]

Protoss loses 30 workers: "Gg." Terran loses 30 workers: *MULE MULE MULE MULE!!*

[@mrwolf9095]

Hey now 😂

[@orangepearlf40]

Unfortunately, the mule mechanic provides this pacifier for the Terran faction. It's actually one of the dumbest features ever implemented in history of RTS. However, both players played well, gg wp.

[@kindlin]

@@mrwolf9095 you're an all-star

[@mrwolf9095]

@@kindlin pardon?

[@kindlin]

@@mrwolf9095 get your game on

[@Ge_n_Ge]

Toss lategame air needs a buff

[@knivesoutcatchdamouse2137]

But-but-but.... what will Gold level Zerg and Terran do?! Everyone knows Skytoss is impossible to beat for anyone who's not GM! /s

[@mark11tz]

@@knivesoutcatchdamouse2137 Buff mothership more since it is a (unscalable) spell caster. We don't need a meme late game unit.

[@geoffzephyrus9849]

Its seems like if protoss can perfectly deny any terran aggression and destroy all the medivacs that they can get a stable mid game, but if anything goes wrong like loosing a colossus its pretty much game over. We rarely see come backs from protoss v terran at this point and its kinda sad / boring because the game rests on a knifes edge, and then a robo unit gets picked off or some early pressure gets denied and then as you said, you start watching a prolonged death animation.

[@AGUYNAMED278]

Yes it's so dumb that protoss gotta react to everything perfectly until like 10 min before having any sort of chance to push across the map

[@AGUYNAMED278]

Simple change is have marines be 55minerals

[@AGUYNAMED278]

It's 8:01 in and Terran being behind bases and eco AND losing more stuff can just march out with pressure the protoss which is dumb

[@snowdrop9810]

​​@@AGUYNAMED278 no, a better change is making terran vs protoss agression weaker. Options: make 1-1-1 cyclone viking marine pushes weaker. Balance patch: reworked cyclone so this doesnt work the zame way anymore. Option 2: fuck raven interference matrix retarded vs protoss. Balance patch: I agree, why the hell did we make ravens build 8s faster and 50 gas cheaper while not nerfing their most potent ability? lets put it behibd a min long 50/50 upgrade on the starport techlab to fix this& weaken the raven compared to prebuff version Also The ghost still needs some changes, the entire terran strength being the ghost isnt fun.

[@AGUYNAMED278]

@@snowdrop9810 tanks needs to have increase build time, I keep seeing 5 min pushes where protoss have 4 stalkers out lol, Terran does not need early tanks to defend themselves, only used for offense

[@mustard9933]

kind of counter to the proverb Lowko brought up in G1 "when ahead, get more ahead": This does not seem to work out for protoss vs terrans when massing ground in the midgame. Maxpax hits clem's army right before the first ghost can come out because he knows that his gas units are about to fall off a cliff in value. He knew his advantage was on a timer and had to execute an attack. Really impressive stuff.

[@mentalvibrations8128]

Clem in my heart is the best Tarren to play the game. He struggles at times but he plays so dynamic and constantly takes out the best of the best like Serral.

[@lucatoncu6540]

I love your work, Lowko! Keep it up!

[@bbtop07]

Yes… the rivalry I’ve been waiting to see! 🎉

[@brentonlove4967]

Woohoo! keep it up Lowko love watching your casts

[@AwayFromTheWorld]

A good series. These guys are so good.

[@xHunter27]

What a match! Thanks lowko for make it possible!

[@nillmuul]

If maxpax and hero wasnt playing we would only be watching zerg and terran games, and even though ppl love to hate on toss, i honestly think that would be the beginning of the end for sc2. The suggested new balance patch is not the answer. More drastic changes are needed.

[@BigHeadClan]

I mean we have others like ShowTime, Stats, Classic, Creator and Zest as high level Protoss players as well but I do agree more tweaks are needed.

[@Tribuneoftheplebs]

Don't forget Reynor 😂

[@randomstarscape]

At 1:01:10 both players have 69 workers and Clem has 69 army and Lowko forgot to mention how nice that is.

[@Taznak]

"Sure, Terran and Zerg dominate tournaments, but that's because they have Maru and Serral. Without Maru and Serral, the three races would look more balanced" Now, try that exercise in reverse: Remove herO and Maxpax from the equation, and Protoss disappears entirely from top-level SC2. This game is not well balanced at top-level play.

[@mrwolf9095]

I actually agree, and I’m a Terran player

[@TenpuraOnRice]

The terrans benefit tremendously in terms of resources. Thanks to MULE, I spend less resources on SCV and only have 1 type of mechanic shield-up, so there is a lot of resource benefit The scanning range is also very wide. Blizzard have to block the Battle Cruiser for 5 seconds from using the Yamato Cannon and Tactical Jump LIBERATOR & Ghost Sniper so OOOOOOPPPPPP. On the other hand, Protoss & Zerg need to invest more in ground and air defense upgrades respectively Even Zerg & Protoss' defense towers cannot recover resources, but Terran has another resource benefit with the bunker recovery function In terms of resources, Protoss & Zerg are at a huge disadvantage overall The zerg is still garbage INFESTOR skill Deleted but Ghost skill always non Deleted!!!!WTH! Zerg units are expensive to upgrade and take a long time to complete The tech building is also expensive, but you have to invest 50 more minerals called drones there and pay 50 minerals again to produce the lost drone Are the zerg a cheap tribe? Fukshieeeeet. Zerg most expensive and inefficient tribe Zerg adds minerals and gas when transforming units No race is more expensive than the Zerg One last thing on my mind. Terran Cyclone & Battle Cruiser can auto-attack Protoss Phoenix & Carrier can auto-attack Zerg have no such units Blizzard needs to patch these issues quickly nonono, please delete the zerg SC2 only requires Terran and Protoss Blizzard Always just trash balance thank you so much!

[@mysteryblankdspace4342]

How many games are we gonna see protoss absolutely helpless to terran past the late mid game....its embarrassing for the state of starcraft2 as a competitive game

[@muhammedsar6042]

Terran serral vs protoss serral has to be The new thumbnail.

[@stalwart56k]

Always enjoy a great series cast by Lowko while warming up/working out! I'm the guy that finds youtube on the treadmills at the fancy gym just to watch Lowko while running.

[@XtremeNinja2208]

Stellar series. On the edge of my seat for maxy pax the entire series.

[@joost00555]

42:00 tectonic destabalizers, best named upgrade in the game, literally "earthquake blasts"

[@itranscendencei7964]

It really is sad to say that the Oracle is one of, if not the best, units for Protoss. One of the only units for Protoss that actually has value throughout the entire game, and the only Stargate unit that is good in most scenarios. Phoenix can be good against certain army comps, but the other 3 Stargate units are just trash and not worth the crazy investment they require.

[@TenpuraOnRice]

The terrans benefit tremendously in terms of resources. Thanks to MULE, I spend less resources on SCV and only have 1 type of mechanic shield-up, so there is a lot of resource benefit The scanning range is also very wide. Blizzard have to block the Battle Cruiser for 5 seconds from using the Yamato Cannon and Tactical Jump LIBERATOR & Ghost Sniper so OOOOOOPPPPPP. On the other hand, Protoss & Zerg need to invest more in ground and air defense upgrades respectively Even Zerg & Protoss' defense towers cannot recover resources, but Terran has another resource benefit with the bunker recovery function In terms of resources, Protoss & Zerg are at a huge disadvantage overall The zerg is still garbage INFESTOR skill Deleted but Ghost skill always non Deleted!!!!WTH! Zerg units are expensive to upgrade and take a long time to complete The tech building is also expensive, but you have to invest 50 more minerals called drones there and pay 50 minerals again to produce the lost drone Are the zerg a cheap tribe? Fukshieeeeet. Zerg most expensive and inefficient tribe Zerg adds minerals and gas when transforming units No race is more expensive than the Zerg One last thing on my mind. Terran Cyclone & Battle Cruiser can auto-attack Protoss Phoenix & Carrier can auto-attack Zerg have no such units Blizzard needs to patch these issues quickly nonono, please delete the zerg SC2 only requires Terran and Protoss Blizzard Always just trash balance thank you so much!

[@Niclmaki]

Ooh, what a swing. Max was so dominant at first. Crazy

[@georgeromaniajr.2680]

MaxPax doesn't travel or do any tournaments in person because he is literally Life in disguise. I'm surprised nobody has caught on.

[@knivesoutcatchdamouse2137]

Doubtful, but a cool 'conspiracy' theory, ngl.

[@Name-ru1kt]

I find it super ironic how protos is the only race that can’t a move yet is called the a move race If you ever played protoss you know how flimsy their unit comp is. People complain about the disruptor needing one good hit when they don’t realize how weak protoss is without microing themselves

[@vren5153]

Ahh, another game of the year lets go

[@TheDaaabou]

"Jimmy 2.0" haha I enjoyed this moment.

[@HaploBartow]

That counterattack to win game one was nasty; turned out so one-sided!

[@timothyyambing6160]

What if disruptors had other functions? Like a mobile shield battery. Will that give protoss better late game longevity?

[@burdy1990]

Thank you Lowko! I have to say Clem was phenomenal! Great comeback! 😲

[@asdf154]

Spoilers =((

[@AndreWill1204]

game 3 is epic , omg i love this game

[@maximesavard-beaudoin560]

actually the word they shouldve used as a more accurate translation is

[@romaindavo2390]

Your good at comment ! Thx to cast clem matches !

[@irrelevantfish1978]

Really seems to me like Terran anti-air is almost as much of a late-game balance issue as the Ghost. The other races rarely seem to gain air dominance, and while that could be due to the greater variety of anti-air options available to Terrans, I wonder if it's due to the sky-high DPS-per-cost ratio of the Marine. Maybe it would wreck early-game interactions with Oracles and Overlords, or maybe it isn't the problem at all, but it seems like nerfing Marine damage to air might be worth trying.

[@AndrejD303]

Terrans anti air is on the another whole level, terran is just able to destroy anything in the air or just land the units or run away while covered by marines... which is just blob of huge dps

[@irrelevantfish1978]

@@AndrejD303 Not to mention punishing pursuit with a wall of Widow Mines. 😆 Still, my impression is that it's not really fair to say Terran AA is on a different level. At least for high-level players, the other races seem to _almost_ hold their own, so I doubt it would take much nerfing to render Terrans incapable of dealing with Skytoss' huge range advantage or Zerg's insane spellcasters.

[@mark11tz]

@@irrelevantfish1978 Do you know thors have 11 ground to air range while tempest have 10 air to ground range with 60% thor's dps (33% thor's dps if they hit each other) and 50% vikings dps per supply. Mean while, vikings have 9 range, carriers have 8 launch range and 14 leash range (with 10% more DPS per supply than vikings if hit no armor), so most of time vikings outrange carrier. BCs also have 10 casting range of Yamato Canon. I don't think protoss has huge range advantage.

[@irrelevantfish1978]

@@mark11tz Yeah, I guess "huge" is an overstatement, but Skytoss does have a _significant_ range advantage, in practice if not paper. For example, Thors' inability to clump and lack of maneuverability makes it trivial for Tempests to snipe the Thors on the edges while remaining out of reach of the rest. That means that with just a little bit of micro, a few Tempests can kite down an arbitrary number of Thors literally for free. Or in other words, en masse, Thors' _effective_ range declines substantially whereas Tempests' doesn't, if microed properly. When you factor in all those not-so-obvious details, Skytoss really does have superior range, even if it's not enough to achieve parity with Terran.

[@awmaas]

holy cats that viking liftoff to avoid the disruptor in game 3 was hype

[@AndrejD303]

yeah would be nice if protoss unit could press button and lift from marrauders... and other shit but that would be op :D right

[@Daym0nd]

31:50 reminded me bowling comentator video about "pin action"

[@vasanthp.2737]

What is the counter to triple cc three rax as protoss? I thought stargate was a bad build against this and so the protoss has to play blink.

[@viniciussardenberg706]

really shows how imbalanced this match up is. reason being that MMM ball is invincible without AOE and none of the Toss AoE options are viable in the lategame, storm/archon gets emp'd dodging a disruptor shot really is one stim click and vikings shred both colossus and skytoss so what can protoss do in a lategame scenario? ghost emp removing shields really is too broken to stay in the game imo, archons would be a viable unit for lategame toss but as of now 2 supply of ghost can kill 12 supply of archons and that just isnt fair.

[@kcStranger]

They could nerf EMP to do a consistent amount of shield damage rather than straight-up removing shields.

[@viniciussardenberg706]

@@kcStranger either a current shield percentage or stop removing shields cuz it already has a fixed value, of 200 shields

[@kcStranger]

@@viniciussardenberg706 That's what I get for commenting when I only watch the game and don't play 😅 ... but yeah, I do think EMP is overall too effective against Protoss, and your suggestions make sense.

[@viniciussardenberg706]

@@kcStranger 2 EMPs remove all shields from any Toss units, that's half their health in 2 button clicks....and thats not fair, plus all their energy....in the 1st game you can see how effective archons'd be vs terran when this clownshoes aren't on but as soon as that trash goes down all toss aoe is countered, 2 units are a free counter to all the toss roster.

[@TenpuraOnRice]

The terrans benefit tremendously in terms of resources. Thanks to MULE, I spend less resources on SCV and only have 1 type of mechanic shield-up, so there is a lot of resource benefit The scanning range is also very wide. Blizzard have to block the Battle Cruiser for 5 seconds from using the Yamato Cannon and Tactical Jump LIBERATOR & Ghost Sniper so OOOOOOPPPPPP. On the other hand, Protoss & Zerg need to invest more in ground and air defense upgrades respectively Even Zerg & Protoss' defense towers cannot recover resources, but Terran has another resource benefit with the bunker recovery function In terms of resources, Protoss & Zerg are at a huge disadvantage overall The zerg is still garbage INFESTOR skill Deleted but Ghost skill always non Deleted!!!!WTH! Zerg units are expensive to upgrade and take a long time to complete The tech building is also expensive, but you have to invest 50 more minerals called drones there and pay 50 minerals again to produce the lost drone Are the zerg a cheap tribe? Fukshieeeeet. Zerg most expensive and inefficient tribe Zerg adds minerals and gas when transforming units No race is more expensive than the Zerg One last thing on my mind. Terran Cyclone & Battle Cruiser can auto-attack Protoss Phoenix & Carrier can auto-attack Zerg have no such units Blizzard needs to patch these issues quickly nonono, please delete the zerg SC2 only requires Terran and Protoss Blizzard Always just trash balance thank you so much!

[@Rodrigodrt]

Hey lowko, we need more of your own games with yourself commenting, it will be fun. We still love you even if you lose bruv.

[@lukeaberdene-wallwork-zy7wm]

Lowko please upload some Florencio casts or I will cement myself to your driveway like a just stop oil protestor

[@admiralmurphy1543]

24:40 given the choice between blink stalkers and Charge lots... i'll take the charge lots.

[@TenpuraOnRice]

The terrans benefit tremendously in terms of resources. Thanks to MULE, I spend less resources on SCV and only have 1 type of mechanic shield-up, so there is a lot of resource benefit The scanning range is also very wide. Blizzard have to block the Battle Cruiser for 5 seconds from using the Yamato Cannon and Tactical Jump LIBERATOR & Ghost Sniper so OOOOOOPPPPPP. On the other hand, Protoss & Zerg need to invest more in ground and air defense upgrades respectively Even Zerg & Protoss' defense towers cannot recover resources, but Terran has another resource benefit with the bunker recovery function In terms of resources, Protoss & Zerg are at a huge disadvantage overall The zerg is still garbage INFESTOR skill Deleted but Ghost skill always non Deleted!!!!WTH! Zerg units are expensive to upgrade and take a long time to complete The tech building is also expensive, but you have to invest 50 more minerals called drones there and pay 50 minerals again to produce the lost drone Are the zerg a cheap tribe? Fukshieeeeet. Zerg most expensive and inefficient tribe Zerg adds minerals and gas when transforming units No race is more expensive than the Zerg One last thing on my mind. Terran Cyclone & Battle Cruiser can auto-attack Protoss Phoenix & Carrier can auto-attack Zerg have no such units Blizzard needs to patch these issues quickly nonono, please delete the zerg SC2 only requires Terran and Protoss Blizzard Always just trash balance thank you so much!

[@Galatasaray-bo5gw]

Lowko best ❤

[@Alpha___00]

The next nexus - The Nextus!

[@pavelar74]

A question: Clem sent the SCV to check if MaxPax will start the Nexus. What stops MaxPax to send second probe to the natural location and once Engineering Bay is cancelled immediately stop the Nexus on the third base location and start one in the natural? True, some time and resources will be lost but this will pay itself by having second Nexus in the more convenient and defendable location. Is there any reason why this is never done by other Protoss players?

[@hivetech4903]

Because it doesn't pay for itself. A base cancel at the start is huge and typically game ending. Something that pays off in the future isn't helpful if that future is further away i.e. the whole build is delayed.

[@pavelar74]

@@hivetech4903 Hmmm... But in this particular case the delay will be like how many? 7-8-9 seconds most? The SCV left the natural in 1:16 and the Nexus was placed in 1:23. Assuming that MaxPax send second probe at 1:16 (when he sees SCV leaving) and assuming that Clem cancelled the Engineering bay at the same time when he sees the Nexus placement (1:23) then MaxPax can get the natural at the same time. May be 1-2 seconds later. So, the delay will be between about 7 (best case scenario) and 9 seconds (worst case scenario). Is it so bad? I mean isn't it to delay the Nexus for 9 seconds (in worst case) but get more defendable/convenient location? Is the Protoss build so tight that 9 seconds delay will mess it up?

[@stormbringerlabs1609]

Lowko, watching the best protoss player in the world play: "Maybe that's not nessesarily the case [that Protoss is weak against Terrain]" Everyone that is not the #1 protoss player in the world: :/

[@mckendrick7672]

Also his point is that you have to play aggressive and risky and that when MaxPax plays more "safe" or defensive he starts losing... If you have to play aggressive and risky to win, that should be a sign that the race is weak.

[@REDRAGON12345]

"Gateway" in French would be translated as "French Fries"

[@Komatik_]

August stats are in for Aligulac: PvT: 51.41% for Protoss. PvZ is at a historically even spot at 49.59%. This is the second month since January 2021 where PvZ hasn't been (usually grossly) Protoss-favoured. TvZ is at 49.63%. It's very slight, but this is the first month in soon to be three years on Aligulac where Zerg's favoured in both matchups (naturally, since Protoss is ~always advantaged in PvZ in Aligulac stats)

[@mark11tz]

Since 2023, after the patch, if you consider ALL the tournaments on liquidpedia, PvT = 47.5%, PvZ ~ 50% Also according to Aligulac, since 2018, protoss has been the lagging race in term of EMP points. Meanwhile, if you only take into account of top tournaments, you will find PvT ~ 38% since 2023 Jan, after the patch, sadly.

[@milesnorris732]

Lowko: Oracle is the best protoss unit! Warp prism: 😂

[@TenpuraOnRice]

The terrans benefit tremendously in terms of resources. Thanks to MULE, I spend less resources on SCV and only have 1 type of mechanic shield-up, so there is a lot of resource benefit The scanning range is also very wide. Blizzard have to block the Battle Cruiser for 5 seconds from using the Yamato Cannon and Tactical Jump LIBERATOR & Ghost Sniper so OOOOOOPPPPPP. On the other hand, Protoss & Zerg need to invest more in ground and air defense upgrades respectively Even Zerg & Protoss' defense towers cannot recover resources, but Terran has another resource benefit with the bunker recovery function In terms of resources, Protoss & Zerg are at a huge disadvantage overall The zerg is still garbage INFESTOR skill Deleted but Ghost skill always non Deleted!!!!WTH! Zerg units are expensive to upgrade and take a long time to complete The tech building is also expensive, but you have to invest 50 more minerals called drones there and pay 50 minerals again to produce the lost drone Are the zerg a cheap tribe? Fukshieeeeet. Zerg most expensive and inefficient tribe Zerg adds minerals and gas when transforming units No race is more expensive than the Zerg One last thing on my mind. Terran Cyclone & Battle Cruiser can auto-attack Protoss Phoenix & Carrier can auto-attack Zerg have no such units Blizzard needs to patch these issues quickly nonono, please delete the zerg SC2 only requires Terran and Protoss Blizzard Always just trash balance thank you so much!

[@suzukaiv5987]

how to win a protoss in late game: mass viking and liberator, 0 skill required

[@burgesj7]

I'm a legit maxpax fanman

[@Frank_144]

this is how terrans took revenge after Chau Sara

[@maximesavard-beaudoin560]

queen and marine indeed. stalker for protoss

[@shikanoin_vik_gaming]

Man I love watching MaxPax. He is the hope of Protoss World Champion!

[@basedandredpilled7920]

PvT late game looks impossible to win lmao. The new balance patch might not be enough

[@gewinnste]

Protoss is ridiculously underpowered at pro level and essentially since the start of LotV. If toss wins at pro level, it's mostly with funky surprise strategies (e.g. the 57 probe - mass chargelot build of Zest) or sometimes with cheese, but almost never with proper macro games. I feel the only reason they don't buff toss is because toss is dominating the low GM league - but only because of "protoss bullshit" like cannon rush, proxy voidray etc., which doesn't work at pro level (and shouldn't). One of the worst decisions was nerfing the colossus (full damage only vs. light units) - this was THE central toss unit, especially vs. MMM and now it's countered (!) with marauders and it's exactly like Lowko said: The _orcacle_ is the best protoss unit. Nuff said.

[@juztina7346]

Aww polar bear so cute

[@leonardoochoa3922]

3:17 he shoots the SCV with the bunker, doesn't he? :P

[@lief3414]

Good choice with the title change. GRAND FINALS always gets more attention due to the exclusivity and mentioning the races in title might lure people like me that don't instantly connect pros with their races. Maybe work on the double intensity of Ultimate Showdown, make one word more creative, even if just for it's own sake.

[@VANdeVice]

(27:57) Jimmy 2.0 has got the same job. But he doesn't really like it too much.

[@Daniel-rd6st]

42:00 Honestly no idea why Max Pax startet carrier production against a terran who already had a bunch of vikings on the field. In general i dont think that carriers are a good choice vs terrans as even marines can counter them pretty well, unless in big numbers.

[@paulzagieboylo7315]

I don't understand MaxPax's decision-making here in games 4 and 5. He knows he's facing a gigantic swarm of Vikings built to deal with his Colossi, so he transitions.... to the exact other units that are equally helpless against Vikings? I know Stalkers are supposed to be the Protoss counter to Vikings, which MaxPax couldn't do because of all the Marauders, but even Void Rays would have been a better choice.

[@mark11tz]

Maybe people just forget there is void rays in the game.

[@User-DogFather02]

its like Terran only need to put in 75% into a game and P and Z need 100% effectiveness to win. But when T gives 100% game over.

[@User-DogFather02]

Terran "Rock" massive OP. best early game best mid game and best end game. Only way to win vs a good Terran is out smart them. Now new maps have healing so 100% favors early Terran game.

[@timmothyburke]

Wait, someone beat serral?

[@chrisdaignault9845]

Yeah pros are ok... but where are the viewer games? Haven’t seen a spore crawler rush in ages. :)

[@mrwolf9095]

Ikr 😂

[@emptycoast420]

Every time Lowko says Maxipax, I hear Maxipad. I don't want to... I just do... :(

[@kcStranger]

At the top level, the default progression of the game favors Terran in TvP. That doesn't mean that Protoss can't make something happen to win; the issue is that the onus is squarely on them to do so.

[@jordanleighton6893]

Clem is my favorite pro just bc we both like polar bears

[@daveburgan]

Buff Protoss

[@jommsnow]

MaxPax don't get discouraged!! Its not your fault. Terran just OP!!! Hahaha

[@francois-xavierr.2710]

or portail

[@Destroyer-mg6kh]

You should do another bronze league heroes.

[@Destroyer-mg6kh]

also i love your work thanks for being there almost every day.

[@mriconoclast13]

I will believe that MaxPax isn't a bot when we see his face and see him play live. Since we only hear his voice (rarely), I think he is a bot programmer. And let's be honest... Toss is still a total joke at the pro level.

[@alexisbosson1721]

Dumb statement to say the best terran unit is the medivac? I know lowko often says it's the mule too. Or is the correct answer Marine no matter who you ask?

[@kindlin]

My Theory has always been that MaxPax is actually a girl, and she just doesn't want all that exposure from a _girl_ being a _top gamer,_ or whatever stupid headlines will come of it. It's easier to be a faceless top cyber athlete, than be the new posterchild for inclusive gaming and probably a bunch of other less scrupulous things on the internet.

[@WarRior-rn4kb]

FINALLY no more zerg finals!!!!!!!!!!!! Exactly why Blizzard NERFED all zerg!!!!! woooo hooooooo! I was a gold Terran, but thanks to this buff and zerg nerf, I'm now Masters 1 Terran!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks David Kim!!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@SilverforceX]

This matchup is so sad. Terran Ghosts far too OP vs Protoss. EMP needs a huge radius nerf and shield reduction nerf. Right now, 2 clicks aoe entire Protoss army and removes 1/3 of their HP instantly. Feedback is also single target, vs EMP that's AoE vs casters so Terran have it far easier to counter High Templars too.

[@anthonylaine6111]

Ou son les sous titre français 😢😢😢😢

[@TenpuraOnRice]

The terrans benefit tremendously in terms of resources. Thanks to MULE, I spend less resources on SCV and only have 1 type of mechanic shield-up, so there is a lot of resource benefit The scanning range is also very wide. Blizzard have to block the Battle Cruiser for 5 seconds from using the Yamato Cannon and Tactical Jump LIBERATOR & Ghost Sniper so OOOOOOPPPPPP. On the other hand, Protoss & Zerg need to invest more in ground and air defense upgrades respectively Even Zerg & Protoss' defense towers cannot recover resources, but Terran has another resource benefit with the bunker recovery function In terms of resources, Protoss & Zerg are at a huge disadvantage overall The zerg is still garbage INFESTOR skill Deleted but Ghost skill always non Deleted!!!!WTH! Zerg units are expensive to upgrade and take a long time to complete The tech building is also expensive, but you have to invest 50 more minerals called drones there and pay 50 minerals again to produce the lost drone Are the zerg a cheap tribe? Fukshieeeeet. Zerg most expensive and inefficient tribe Zerg adds minerals and gas when transforming units No race is more expensive than the Zerg One last thing on my mind. Terran Cyclone & Battle Cruiser can auto-attack Protoss Phoenix & Carrier can auto-attack Zerg have no such units Blizzard needs to patch these issues quickly nonono, please delete the zerg SC2 only requires Terran and Protoss Blizzard Always just trash balance thank you so much!

[@tahutagaol9186]

Wdym, zerg is broken rn

[@Spartsou]

MaxPax is certainly strong, even if the last two games were sub-optimal for him. I hope he decides to play offline tournaments eventually

[@TheMasterhomaster]

LowKo eats a COUPLE of boogers for breakfast 🍳

[@slimguyneedsfood]

👀

[@jean-michelcarlotti9469]

Porte de transfert

[@Black_Weekend]

Clem is not in good shape

[@polca4love]

Protoss players have been complaining since Wings of Liberty came out and erasing the other races armies with a couple of storms was no longer an option.

[@masterchiefdp]

1st

[@calculatorade]

ROCK OP PLZ NERF

[@GoldenTVSaiK]

Hey @lowkotv French speaker here Portaille is the word

[@BsBsBock]

we all can agree that we don't like anything French