Miller court hearing for Oxford high school shooter (Part 1)

[@DeedeesJourney]

The little psycho was literally torturing birds and planning this shooting ahead of time. Yes he has horrible parents who definitely seem culpable as well but that doesnt negate or excuse his own actions. He doesnt deserve a chance at freedom, ever. If it were up to me, all these mass shooters would be given the death penalty, regardless of age.

[@sallyannelines]

Amen!

[@elisapetapapalii9766]

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[@Beastgrows]

😮😮😅😅

[@Beastgrows]

It was an Ostrich, it was self-defence.

[@kathiewool4292]

I don’t think any one is making excuses for him, but can’t see why he went haywire. There is no excuse for what he did, but between his parents and the school he should never have been left at school that day.

[@Marce44ful]

When this boy told his dad he needed help, his dad said write it in your book and suck it up. The parents KNEW he had a book?! Were they that neglectful that they told him to write down these ugly thoughts in THE book and never thought once to look at this book or mention the book at any point to anyone? This would have been ALL avoided. I am not generalizing to all parents, I’m talking about the parents of this particular boy with this amount of written proof he needed critical help. There was so much opportunity to avoid this tragedy.

[@steamintrumpstains]

DADDY GOP GUN NUT ENCOURAGE JUNOIR ha ha

[@hereitis.2587]

With different parents what could have been?

[@karenfitzpatrick6256]

@@hereitis.2587 Since it has been proven that the personality foundation is set in the first five years of life and he wasn't given any type of early intervention or treatment at the onset of the signs of a genetic tendency toward mental illness, he was set up to fail. This child could have grown up in an environment where he might have thrived. I think the neglect, abuse and lack of care from his parents and their home life permanently damaged him. It's probably far too late for him to recover or be rehabilitated. The damage is done. If he'd been raised with different parents with a supportive caring childhood may have made all the difference. But I'm afraid the pathology, the desire to hurt and kill, has already been acted out. He will grow up only to have that drive in him for the rest of his life. It will never go away. He may learn some control techniques, but there will always be the great chance he will snap again. Society can't risk that and ever let him free.

[@kristinm784]

exactly neglectful mental abuse child endangerment did they love him?????

[@hereitis.2587]

@@kristinm784 how could the parents love Ethan? They don’t know what love is. They only know their brand image. They bounce around in a fantasy of normality to satisfy themselves. I don’t believe for a minute that the mother is good enough to jump horses and do the whole world of competition. It is very expensive, exclusive, and Type A personality. She is none of those things.

[@heather3383]

His lawyer…probably the most supported he ever felt in his life.

[@lindylee1139]

And also the most attention in general he ever had in his life.

[@heatherloughlin544]

@@lindylee1139Agreed. I’m not a Psychologist, but I think that’s why he’s so excited to have people talking about him & his actions, & determined to be "remembered" by everyone.

[@Stacey19962]

😂u🎉⁸🎉8⅔3³¾²4E%8​@@lindylee1139

[@jamiecrawford7220]

Lots of neglect from his mother & father as well as no friends in high school is a recipe for a loner to do whatever it takes to get something he has never had and at 15 years old he doesn't quite understand the true nature of the consequences to his actions by hurting innocent people to obtain attention & notoriety incorrectly.. His sentence will be heard by others globally with the same contemplative ideology while grasping a clear crystallized concept to the severe negative reactions from them physically acting out those abysmal atrocities onto others who are innocent which will detour them away from being the "Copy Cat" to this kid's nefarious spectacle actions by sentencing him to prison for life with no parole all in the name of recognition to the world in regards to knowing his name attached to his preplanned execution incident he did.. The court has a responsibility to protect the public and our kids ultimately as well as detour the thoughts of others running simultaneously with his crimes in the near future.. And for anyone who disagrees I guarantee u if ur child was a victim in this crime u would want the exact same results irrefutablely..

[@annychest718]

she looks like a witch.. how do any of you know..❓ you fools will never admit there's something wrong with your country

[@nancybevans4029]

Amazing how people can sit through this without wanting to strangle him

[@actorsinsider9967]

He said his parents didnt have money to deal with his mental issues, but 1) has money for guns?? 2) buys child with mental issues his own gun and obviously does not lock up the ones they own?

[@michladd24]

Yet they had several horses too! She didn't even bother getting him health insurance! What kind of parents are these two?

[@steamintrumpstains]

GUNS COME !ST IN GOP GUN NUT FAMALIES HA

[@steamintrumpstains]

@@michladd24 GOIP GUNS NUTS THATS WHO STUPID HA HA

[@hereitis.2587]

@@michladd24 image conscious. They only care about how they look. In debt yet have horses. Only child lonely at home so mother has ongoing affair so she doesn’t need to come home for comfort. Home was a prison for all who lived there. Parents never cared about him. Never.

[@gwencoco7687]

Right. And for their horses.

[@mgkwb2556]

Talking about torturing the baby birds made me sick.

[@brenwils6227]

Every detail made me want to vomit and cry. He's a sicko.

[@melsafken764]

Yep, I couldn't watch.

[@kathiewool4292]

To bad this judge couldn’t sit over the mom’s trial.

[@lindylee1139]

Yes I was thinking the same!

[@jenbowiesmom85]

I agree! I Love this judge. JC judge is acting almost incompetent at times.

[@heatherloughlin544]

I’ve never seen a trial where the Judge had poorer control of their courtroom… she seems almost "inexperienced," but I know that can’t be true.

[@SusieQ1971]

Ya I wonder how he felt and what he was thinking when the detective was reading Ethan's journal where he used the N word. That probably came from the parents. Although I had a disturbed brother who became racist after hanging out with an adult racist neighbor who took an interest in "mentoring" him and my brother completely absorbed all of his racist ideologies even though both my parents instilled in us the exact opposite. The N word was never spoken in our home and never came out of my mouth. Never even thought about it. But my brother was horribly mean and racist to other kids in the classroom. So you can't always blame the parents for a mentally ill kid's behavior but you can blame them for not being home enough, showing enough love or compassion, or getting your kid mental health help he needs. A lot of parents don't put their kids in therapy because they don't want their family problems and potential child abuse or neglect issues to come out. They don't want their kids airing out the dirty laundry. I suspect that's these parents.

[@wickedlittleleo9218]

it’s literally like watching two different worlds.. The lawyer defending her 🤦🏼‍♀️ good lord what a disgrace.. I mean it’s kind of a blessing really when you think about it

[@isrulius]

“I want the world to remember me” So his grand plan to be remembered is to do something that isn’t even rare nowadays and happens on a nearly weekly basis, guaranteeing a life sentence where he will be locked away from society where all memory of him will fade away into absolute obscurity until he dies and is buried in a shallow prison grave where nobody will go to mourn him, remember him fondly, or discuss his contributions to society. Stealing lives will not guarantee you any type of fame. You might make the news, and have your face appear on court clips on KZbin, but that’s it. You’re not gonna be in history books, you’re not gonna have songs or movies made about you. You’ll be remembered as a loser, someone who had nothing to offer the world and opted instead to rob people of their lives. You’re not gonna have a subculture built around you like Eric or Dylan. People are tired of this gun violence, it’s not unique and discussed like it was in 1999. These morons don’t get recognition anymore. Think of all the shootings that have happened in the last several years. The majority have been utterly forgotten about and relegated to the dustbin of history.

[@nemesisbreakz]

Well said.

[@militantnormal428]

Unfortunately the internet memorializes every aspect of their shooting…planning, execution, prosecution and sentencing!

[@barowt]

Unless you're Ted Bundy, Jack The Ripper, Charles Manson, Hitler..

[@Becky4036]

Who are Eric and Dylan? He already has a good size following and gets a ridiculous amount of money on his commissary each month from fans. His plan is working for now. It'll eventually stop, but not for a while.

[@firefly44220]

You forgot to mention that what he did, anybody could do if they were crazy enough. Not everyone can restore a car or paint a painting but any lunatic can kill innocent unarmed people with guns.

[@heatherwest80]

They should do to this kid what he did to that helpless bird.

[@carolinegallegos_]

I wish I could tie him down and personally carry that out. Animal abusers don’t deserve life.

[@Michellelalee]

Why are minors allowed to have a FOID card or allowed at shooting ranges. Another loop hole, that should be shut.

[@davidgraham9341]

FYI: we will neither miss nor remember this creep.

[@steamintrumpstains]

@@dahof2789 he was MOTIVATED BY GOP GUN NUTS facts

[@daylestevens50]

We will remember he was a POS, not someone who “taught us a lesson. “

[@ersheri]

Who? I refuse to mention him or his family’s names.

[@a.garcia8086]

I bet all the families will remember hiim

[@NikkiBornRight]

This kid had/has sooo many issues. His parents failed the assignment horribly. What a couple of idiots. Damn Be A nosy parent. My mom was and I hated it but I was a disturbed child also (not this way) I was put in mental health institutions 3 separate times. My parents probably saved my life and possibly others who knows. ❤❤

[@lesare6509]

@NikkiBornRight So glad you had wonderful parents that loved you. Blessings to you.🙏❤️

[@TrumpGoByeBye]

Kid has nobody

[@chrismarie0818]

There is something so spectacular about this Judge. His tone and how he commands the courtroom is professional, strong, and warm. I wish he didn’t say “with that being said” so much though.

[@heidipiette4500]

He is acting like a prosecutor and is biased. He was a prosecutor for homicide prior to this case. He should not have been allowed to preside over this case

[@ruthcassidy6052]

Wish the same judge were the one for the kid's mom - she's not the best judge I've ever watched, that's for sure. Then again, the mom's defense attorney is horrific. (I'm going back in time to learn more of the backstory - there are so many of these horrible events that they all tend to blend together in my head.) It's not the video games, it's the easy access to guns. Period.

[@ji1072]

@@ruthcassidy6052didn’t see your reply! I just commented the same thing. I don’t know what it is about that judge. The moms defense attorney is unhinged!

[@lildebboston455]

The Judge is terrible in my opinion. The Defense Atty.Shannon Smith is an absolute horror show. Since when do you start sobbing and then ask the Judge for a 10 minute break. Maybe the Larry Nassar Trial was too much for her and she's lost her friggin mind.

[@MarlonAllen-dy9yv]

@lildebboston455 No one agrees with you unfortunately

[@jasonrowe344]

What kind of fool would give a fifteen year old boy a gun? The whole family needs to go to prison

[@jeffvalentine9947]

Welcome to America. Many look at guns like they are toys. Many have the mindset that everyone ‘needs’ a gun. No civilian NEEDS a gun. Not a single one.

[@Danieldefense.]

​@@jeffvalentine9947 lmfao come and try to take them😅

[@teridoyle2120]

What on earth did they think he wanted a semiactive gun for?????

[@DMurray-cn6hp]

The same fools who back in the 60s,70s, 80s, and part of the 90s kids brought guns to school! Guess what didn't happen, school shootings! Oh, nor was they stolen out of the truck gun rack! Stop giving your kids Adderall! Start parenting! Oh DCYF, YOUR HANDS ARE IN THIS! Never did we agree to co parent with the Govt!

[@DMurray-cn6hp]

​@jeffvalentine9947 you don't need freedom of speech, keyboard, pen or paper!😁

[@MissJessss]

What was his reasoning for wanting a gun in first place. I cant imagine buying my minor child a hand gun. What does he need a hangun for? Smh

[@heatherloughlin544]

Agreed! He already had several BB guns, as well as a .22, for target shooting. He waited until he secured a higher caliber, more deadly weapon (the .9mm). Why did he have unsupervised access to it? I suspect that she may have wanted him to kill himself (subconsciously or otherwise). Why did he receive his "Christmas gift," a month in advance? No control or discipline in that home… not even much supervision.

[@TEESHAMARIE92]

​@heatherloughlin544 I've been saying this theory from the beginning! I truly believe they knew their son had mental health issues, and they bought him that gun in hopes he'd unalive himself! They were both too caught up on their own lives and didn't want to deal with Ethan. They both knew when they heard about the school shooting it was their son! They both took off and all of a sudden came together not wanting to look back at the tragedy their child caused! They both drained all of their bank accounts (including Ethans savings) to have money to either A. Go I to hiding or B. Secure themselves proper counsel! They both have paid attorneys while leaving Ethan with court appointed counsel! We all make mistakes as parents and hindsight is 20/20 but Ethan was literally BEGGING for help and for attention from his parents. They chose to not help and in return left families grieving for their child/loved one FOREVER and harmed many more with physical/mental health issues for the rest of their lives.

[@radiovixen76]

Testimony from her trial revealed that she told other people that her son was "Weird" and he was an "oops baby." @@heatherloughlin544

[@artcreationsbydar]

My God! This is the worst video I have ever seen in terms of being so brutal. The part about the baby birds I had to leave. Any abuse of animals is intolerable in my view. I honestly do not think this young man is fixable. He would definitely be a serial killer in time. I thought I was feeling a bit bad for him but now after hearing all this, he needs to not get out! I believe there is no hope of him changing. He has gone too far in killing baby birds. This is disgusting, horrible and just plain despicable. 😢😢😢😢

[@cathicross7819]

Same

[@nancybevans4029]

I totally agree with you… Anybody who could harm a bird like he did is not fixable… He must be missing something from his brain to make him not feel empathy for any one or anything… How can you correct that?

[@cathycastro7909]

😢😮😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@Peace-tk3gr]

Yes, he's an evil tw*t, for sure! 😠

[@Neatneat-uu6fh]

Birds he killed people , y yt ppl love animals more than people

[@ventilator98]

THIS HORRIBLE MONSTER!!!!! I have no words to describe how sickening this is to watch! Why would someone do this to CHILDREN??? Why is this world filled with shooters who's goal is to go into a SCHOOL, A SCHOOL, and Kill people who have done NOTHING WRONG!!

[@melsafken764]

They are attention seeking cowards.

[@keriissovery9566]

That’s what I don’t understand. What’s with the schools all the time?

[@serenityinstitches8236]

Yay! No volume issues on your videos like some other channels. Thank you so much! 😀

[@valeriepalenkas3706]

This Honorable Judge is impressive! Prosecution team is fantastic. Parents are more than culpable, all three are evil.

[@22SweetTeaRexes]

They’re not just evil. They’re all heartless idiots. 🙄😒😑🤢🤮

[@trace_you6337]

Ethan needs to take responsibility for what he has done! The parents were a contributing factor but HE was the ONE who executed his sick plan! He was/is a despicable human being and is sickening to me!!

[@loopy1159]

He pleaded guilty. He didn't blame his parents All 3 r evil

[@kayemm1973]

A child, with a child's not yet developed brain. Also his obsession with killing 'pretty girls' and causing others to suffer what he feels he does suggests some time spent in incel world. Horrifically sad for everyone concerned.

[@steamintrumpstains]

WHO DID THE BACKGROUND CHECK ON THE GOP GUN NUT FAMALIES???????

[@aquariusrizing]

What happened to getting good grades and going to college? That's how most of us escape toxic immediate family. But this kid is not capable of thinking ahead, beyond being televised while on trial.

[@blueking2525]

Still I'm shock of this day. I worked years in Oxford right down the street on the same street and Im just at a lost of words. This is sad to witness this and my thoughts and prayers goes out to the families of that school and city.

[@keiraknight5857]

A life sentence is a just sentence! the amount of planning and callousness intensified by the lack of remorse are the warning signs we cannot ignore! if given the chance there's no doubt he would murder again! He's an absolute danger to society!

[@kathybrintlinger9993]

It’s so difficult to comprehend there are people like this boy.

[@seanphoebejames316]

Evil exists and there are demons living amongst us.

[@mynameiseve.1]

it wasnt only that he wanted to see the heartbreak he caused after....crumbley was afraid to die! he was a coward!!

[@petergriffin383]

💯 complete coward

[@MissJessss]

Ethan does kind of look a little satisfied he has a slight smirk on his face.

[@angelirohival6270]

The parents of this person need to be in jail for a very, very long time.

[@1234singingismylife]

Life without parole for the minor? How about life without parole for the parents who purchased the gun, practiced shooting with him, and gave him access to the weapon?

[@SusieQ1971]

Although it should be, it's not illegal in that state

[@whatthecroc3483]

Momma is in jail where she belongs!

[@Peace-tk3gr]

Minor chronologically but 'adult' in his pathology.

[@esdee878]

This kid is beyond disturbed. How insane for him to think of a plan to kidnap a girl. Tell me you're an incel without telling me that you're an incel.

[@OpalLeigh]

I think as a society we gotta have some boundaries on the incel thing 😬 like if you’re under 18, you’re not an incel you’re a child. Considering that he’s spending his life in jail and he’s not one of the more “attractive”/memorable school shooters, he should be an incel in the next decade or so though.

[@ProudDad1976]

42:27 OMG, the statement that he wants to film the event so later in court he can see the parent's reactions to their child dying even hoping the extreme sadness would make them self-harm? I see many news outlets doing the right thing, they're saying the event, not his name, I am happy to see this, I want his mission of being remembered to fail! If we do this right maybe the next person thinking about doing this for the same reason stops and thinks wait a minute, only the victims are being remembered so this won't work anymore. "I want the world to remember me" NO, sorry there is only room for the heroes and the victims. You get NOTHING BUT LIFE then after the real punishment starts. Rot John Doe Rot!

[@HannahRoot55]

Are you a Proud Dad ?

[@steamintrumpstains]

the GOP SHERIIF BOUCAHRD IS PROUD OF THIS GUN

[@ProudDad1976]

@@HannahRoot55 About 70% of the time so at least a passing grade accounts for something

[@mjrp68]

Sounds like Ethan Crumley needs to be in a mental health facility, not jail.

[@Rodmic-hd9pn]

He also admits to himself that he doesn’t feel and feelings

[@Fluffnugget78]

I'm sorry to say that while I understand that this kid's parents let him down, it's also glaringly obvious that he's a psychopath and there's very little anyone can do to help. It's not a mental health disorder that you can treat or cure and there's no future where he could ever have been happy without following his compulsions. More could have been done to prevent him hurting others but there's no help for him. He needs to be locked away forever to keep other people safe.

[@artcreationsbydar]

I have to disagree somewhat. This boy if given the proper care and concern when he was younger, maybe , just maybe he could have already been on proper medication and counselling. In turn, these things unfortunately cost a lot of money. This to me is where the “system” fails them as well. If there were programs, that are specially designed for troubled children that the parents could go for help, maybe he could have had a chance? 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️. I live in Canada and I have no idea how your government works, but ours seem to want to cut monies where the important things are! Schooling, medical, free programs, to name a few! But they will send Billions of dollars to many foreign lands to help the people there. I love all people that are respectful and make their way as best as they can, but when it starts to hurt our own Country, well I think this has to be looked at. Just my opinion. :)

[@jamie.777]

He is a rabid dog

[@jamie.777]

​@artcreationsbydar your medicines are causing More harm!!!!!! These young killers were all on one these! Zoloft,wellbutrin, prozac,Xanax, Adderall, Ritalin. Sorry , a medical system controlled by a socialist government force feeding "happy pil" is scary

[@lesare6509]

I disagree, watch his parent’s hearing. When his mind starts torturing him he realizes he needs help & begs his parents to help or get him help, as they did through his life they ignored him. He isn’t a psychopath, he was going through his mind torturing him more & more & after not getting help he gave into it, but with live in treatment & counseling he can be productive. He really needs true love to show him what compassion & empathy are, he has no idea.

[@sharyndaley-zackery]

Very well put. Thank you! @@lesare6509

[@girlwith4cats]

He’s evil. Pure evil.

[@SherryEllesson]

I disagree sharply with the defense attorney. He absolutely is evil at a core place and should stay behind bars if the death penalty is not an option.

[@isrulius]

The defense is always going to say whatever they can to paint their client in a better light. That’s just how the courtroom works. I know you see it as wrong but if you were in a situation that landed you at the defense table, would you want a lawyer that speaks negatively about you and emphasizes your crimes? You’d want one that fights on your behalf, and everyone deserves fair representation.

[@heidipiette4500]

He was not born that way he was created by years of abuse and neglect and severe isolation

[@SherryEllesson]

@@heidipiette4500You don't know he wasn't born that way. Geneticists have identified cases where chromosomal abnormalities occur, and no amount of therapy is going to fix that.

[@heidipiette4537]

If you've watched videos of his early years he was a sweet little boy. He was severely neglected, isolated. No one seems to understand that neglect like he sustained is can be a trauma response more insidious than actually physical abuse. This judge is biased being a former homicide prosecutor with Karen. And psychosis waxes and wanes. He was hallucinating. This boy suffered a psychotic break. It's awful because what this judge shared publicly set this kid up for more perilous times. It's horrific all around.

[@Silenceeify]

​@SherryEllesson Source?

[@terrigirl]

I hope all his followers are being investigated- birds of a feather..

[@Daysfreak57332]

Did his friend EVER tell anyone about these messages???

[@lizbutler9108]

The friend was being treated for mental illness, OCD, and obviously that treatment didn't get across to him his duty to report animal torture. Many commenting seem to expect mental treatment to have avoided catastrophe if the shooter had received it. I have a lot less faith in treatment.

[@irenekezarides7458]

We don’t want to remember you and will never.

[@OtherBrotherDarylSmith]

"He doesn't want to hurt other prison inmates when he goes to prison." I hope he gets the same as his idle(idol) Jeffrey Dahmer got in prison. It's too bad Michigan doesn't have the death penalty.

[@Curlyloxau]

I think the other prisoners will hurt him

[@shaelovesJesus]

Oh dad. Mom just got a guilty verdict. You are next dad.

[@Thrashman-ye4cf]

The Judge is very professional

[@mjrp68]

🤢🤮

[@ejjohnstone1984]

This is when parents are so into themselves and selfish...children need love advice and support even when in adulthood. This is what family is about. When you hear the texts he made to his mother who left him home alone in 2016...heartbreaking, he went to the dark side because he had to get attention from somewhere.

[@Stevenabeaugris]

i know this is a trial but Let me just say this as a black woman, i am always to see one of my own color behind this bench, i am proud of this Judge, very professional and well direct and he a handsome looking brother too.

[@dianeaustin2414]

Why is the judges race even mentioned? The judge is all those lovely things you mentioned . I am sure he is proud of achievements that he had control over...unlike his race and his good looks.

[@Daveyboy4]

You have to really believe in defence to defend this scumbag. If i was a parent of the deceased, I dont think i could sit and listen to 'mitigating circumstances'!

[@mashakalinkina7207]

Why weren’t the people he sent these texts brought up like At All?

[@lacynovich1976]

The messages, I think we're to the one friend he had, who was sent to a facility out if state for help with OCD (I think it said) but I have wondered the same thing....maybe the kid needed help because the messages he was getting...would be interesting to see for sure

[@claudiakenworthy6050]

The sad part of this case is that at this point no one will remember this kid after this hearing. There has been too many shootings to even be memorable anymore

[@FREEdomofSPEECH-j3z]

😮

[@karenabrams8986]

Life without parole sounds good. He is irreparably corrupt. Definitely keep those chains on the soon to be forgotten tomato.

[@rosechaney871]

I think the counselor, principal and teachers should also be on trial. These drawings were on school papers. Why wasn't anyone including the parents paying attention to this kid?

[@karenabrams8986]

Agreed. That was unreal the opportunities they let slip away that could’ve prevented this.

[@teridoyle2120]

@@karenabrams8986 makes me wonder how many kids draw gun/murder scenes?

[@teridoyle2120]

The school DEFINITELY did NOT follow the normal protocols that the majority of US schools follow eg automatic suspension for many of the things the defendant did. Not sure why?

[@karenabrams8986]

@@teridoyle2120 laziness, we have too many worthless administrators taking up positions of power who want to cruise out to retirement on easy street. In the very recent past they’ve been able to treat problem kids like trash they kick out. Now they just Pat them on the back and send them back to class. Fck solving any problems or nailing down safety.

[@Rogtee]

This is on this kid and his parents!! The school did what they could! The parents were negligent! This is so horrible! These poor families! God bless the families and students and school staff ❤

[@shelleyjones5037]

did I hear right?? The parents bought their KID a gun??

[@MichaelrennieG]

Serial killers M.O. is animal cruelty

[@irenekezarides7458]

He is so cruel.

[@The_Crow-]

This kid was seriously sick. How the hell the parents didn’t see this is unbelievable. This kid is lashing out all his anger.

[@kjh6903]

My God how does someone get like this ? And how many more like him are sitting in class with someone like this right now ?

[@lesliebednar5426]

Evil… nurtured in evil… spreads evil

[@DeedeesJourney]

Its so infuriating that his parents didnt take him home that day, and that the school didnt insist on it! I have a feeling theyll be far more cautious with students displaying mental issues in the future

[@DeedeesJourney]

I hope he was moved to adult jail and not cozy juvenile

[@ryleighcoltrain5069]

Seeing a therapist would not have helped this child. He is a psychopath. He would have needed to be locked up to prevent him hurting anyone, and that doesn't happen until someone gets hurt. His parents nor a therapist could have changed this boys problems. He was born without empathy.

[@bherylkuebler986]

After watching his mother's trial...he had no chance. She is cold and narcissistic.

[@ryleighcoltrain5069]

@@bherylkuebler986 so is mine. About 1 in 200 people are narcissists. Doesn't mean every single one of their kids become psychopaths and shoot up schools.

[@radiovixen76]

and a drinker@@bherylkuebler986

[@bamadad53]

Who did this psycho sent all those text messages to and why did that person (or persons) not scream alerts to every person of authority they could possibly contact?

[@pamavery9352]

Who did he send theses texts and videos too? Why didn’t the kid he sent these things too say something? Sick!

[@kathywhitaker1042]

Agree....they need help and charges brought against him

[@firefly44220]

I heard the kid didn’t get the messages so he didn’t know. I never heard any replies either which would explain it

[@steamintrumpstains]

HE SENT TEXT TO GOP GUN NUTS STUPID ha ah facts

[@kidmac1514]

I just put the same lol

[@vixen.vangogh]

This is the comment I was looking for.

[@MaybeitsclusterB]

FYI: Kids often act out with attention seeking behaviors. Perhps instead of dismissing them/ignoring them we could ask ourselves why the kid feels they need to manipulate to get the attention they need.

[@daylestevens50]

The officer knew every name. ❤🙏

[@grace4xo]

That part broke me. He became so emotional and that shows that he cares and recognizes that these were all human beings, children, with families and futures ahead of them.

[@dspangler24]

​@grace4xo I'm not even remotely involved and I've been emotional a few times.

[@janpatterson6302]

The Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. I think the parents have to mentally deranged to have not known NOTHING of their sons mental illness.

[@JennyLouLou]

This is so horrifying. I cant even.

[@donaschneider]

What a sick individual!

[@taliabarth9532]

Why wouldn’t the school search him and his locker and watch him!

[@Silversoon78910]

The fact that he tortured a bird makes it look a lot different than his manifesto

[@annieb5647]

After seeing the depressing images of his home I can approach understanding how he could be ok with living in a prison for life. He spent so much time alone in that hell-hole of a house.

[@gailmarie65]

And his parents will continue to think they didn’t do anything wrong! Going on right under their nose! Two messy, disgusting bedrooms filled with clues that he was sick, drinking, asking for help and in need of major mental health care! Preventable!

[@kristinm784]

mother of the year 😡

[@KIP_KnowledgeIsPower]

⚠️🛑 WARNING IF YOU CAN’T DO ANIMAL CRUELTY!!!! Felt it was my duty to warn others given I made a big mistake I can’t undo now by not skipping past early enough 😣😣 1:40:45 ~ SAFE SKIP!!! That’s where the animal stuff STOPS!!!! So sorry, but can’t skip back through to find the start point again… You’ll know when the Detective starts talking about the baby birds/hatchlings, the topic is relentless from that point so skip to my timestamp if you can’t handle that stuff 😓😓 To note: Even just the texts, writings & Officer describing what’s in the videos (he filmed & discussed with friend in texts), even just hearing that is NO JOKE!!! It’ll cripple most people. That’s all the info, minus the descriptions so you won’t miss anything important if you skip. You have been warned. 🥺🥺

[@JessLBreen]

The beginning of the prosecutor's opening statement aged BEAUTIFULLY! His mother was just found guilty!

[@0302pickles]

What about the person he was texting?? Why did t that person say something??

[@christina5kids16grands]

I am watching this after seeing mom's trial. I'm reading these comments and I'm struggling with this caase. I watched every second of her trial. Listened to all the evidence, heard the discovery, read everything I could find on this family. I also watched the hearing appealing the prosecution of the parents, which was done months ago. If these parents were paying better attention, he still would never have given them a glimpse into his plan. Hindsight is always 20/20. The prosecution of the parents is the first of it's kind in this country, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were overturned on appeal. As a mother of 5 children (all married, all parents now), I know how well teens hide their issues from their parents. I know my husband and I could have done better, and by God's grace I can say I'm thankful all my kids are extremely successful, healthy, fantastic spouses and parents....but would I have seen this in my child? It's just hard to imagine seeing this kind of evil in your own child. I don't know if any parent would be able to see this coming (unless their whole lives have been full of chaos, drama, addiction, abuse, etc.). We have the tendency to not see the bad in our kids. Seriously, look at your child or grandchild, and try to imagine them being THIS EVIL. I struggle with the parents prosecution personally. I'm a fan of holding parents more accountable than we have in our country - but for me, I have a hard time seeing the culpability in ths particular case. Again, they could have and should have done better. But there's alot more going on here. First, they bought the gun and used it as a family. Ethan called it his gun, but it was kept in his parents room, most of the time locked up. They bought the gun because their depressed son had an interest, and they were trying to come his way a little bit, and go shooting together because it lit him up, and made him happy. Obviously shortsighted. Something else - they get a call from the school, both dropping everything and heading straight there. They addressed the drawing in math class, and spoke with the school counselor, who advised them to get him psychological counseling, and also advised that he go back to class. That is exactly what they did, with the intention of getting the counseling he needed. Obviously too late. Also, the prosecution lied saying these parents were fleeing when they were not - they could not be at their own house because of the press, and because they were lining up with their attorneys to turn themselves in with the protection of COUNSEL, which they very much needed, obviously. Karen Mcdonald decided to not respond to the defense attorneys calls and mesages as they tried to line this up, and instead lied saying they were fleeing, holding a freakin press conference saying they were running away. She used this case as a political ploy to make a name for herself, which to me, was disgraceful. The state has pulled all kinds of manipulations, and of course this case is so emotional and egregious, and the whole world is watching...and it's easy to see why the tendency would be to make sure anyone with any chance to see this coming would pay dearly. Anyway, I just had to get that off my chest lol. By the way, may the victims rest in peace, and their families find the closure and peace they SO deserve. My heart truly goes out to yo.

[@kerritrouble3473]

This offense is seen every single day in America!

[@Doktracy]

Makes you wonder what sort of cruelty he grew up with. So glad his friend got some help.

[@Rodmic-hd9pn]

He is a sociopath or Psychopath he checks off every box. Therefore they don’t have a connection with humankind. They don’t feel And they lack empathy, These criminals cannot be rehabilitated . This is a forensic fact.

[@fernandaolivares7926]

I agree, this is a real born psychopath we are witnessing, there is no way back, this is chilling...

[@steamintrumpstains]

HE OFF THE GOP GUN NUT NRA BOX TOO

[@nervous-wreck367]

It's not a forensic fact, research actually supports psychopaths respond to therapy but the goals actually have to pertain to them and fit their criminogenic needs.

[@fernandaolivares7926]

@@nervous-wreck367 and there is the problem, I think the dr treating him in jail is a bust and after what he did the outside world will prove to be worse than jail with no support system to maje sur ehe takes his meds and goes to therapy...if this kid relapses someone will lose their life, sadly the best life he can hope for will be in jail.

[@sugarpiepuppy3623]

Michigan DOES have the death penalty… the inmates who are in prison

[@Doktracy]

No wonder the parents of his friend took him away very quickly for 90 days. They probably found out how disturbed Ethan was!

[@Mirandajane84]

If so why didn't they report him?

[@maisiejadwiga]

I in no way condone what Ethan did. He was a “kid” that had mental issues for whatever reason. He told his parents that he was seeing demons, he told his parents that things were being thrown around the house, and he asked his parents to take him to the doctor. His father gave him pills and told him to “suck it up”. I feel bad for the families that lost their children. I know I would be lost without mine. I believe that Ethan‘s parents let him down and in doing so, let down the community.

[@Michele-zn5yi]

The kid is a sociopath. There's no help or hope for this type of person.

[@72stones43]

Rope’s cheap.

[@barowt]

KZbin deletes my comments like this.. I support rope for the solution to this problem..

[@X3AmySarah]

Yep.

[@Valturnaqueen]

Or a bullet

[@barowt]

@@Valturnaqueen too bad we can't just take him to Hawaii and drop him in a volcano.. Or my thought years ago for people like this, we need a Running Man kind of TV show for them to "compete" on..

[@kathywhitaker1042]

I hope Who ever he sent the text messages is getting help and some kind of charges are against them because THEY didnt call the police about him because they as as guilt as he is

[@1durkey]

💯

[@steamintrumpstains]

TRUE THE GOP PARTY DIDNT CALL THE POLICE SPREADING LIES ABOUT GUNZh aha

[@artcreationsbydar]

Absolutely !

[@DMurray-cn6hp]

This isn't 1942 Nazi, Germany, nor China not even Russia! Land of the free! Freedom has responsibilities! Have you fulfilled yours as a America or you just a riding coat tails during the Anthem? The truth hurts, then change it!

[@asdfghjkllkjhgfdsa1022]

Looking back at this hearing.... it makes more sense as to why JC received her convictions and why the state decided to press charges against the parents. He was only 15.... 15 is literally a child... Still can't even hold a driver's license.

[@Valturnaqueen]

He is EXTREMELY dangerous. Throw away the key and let Bubba handle him.

[@steamintrumpstains]

THE GOP PARTY IS DANDEROUS TOO

[@kristinm784]

mass murderer animal killer very very dangerous

[@Valturnaqueen]

@@kristinm784 indeed

[@valeriepalenkas3706]

EC who? Vile evildoers are forgotten. These are those we'll remember .... Madisyn Baldwin, 17; Tate Myre, 16; Hana St. Juliana, 14; and Justin Shilling, 17 Praying the Judge locks him up and throws away the key .... FOR LIFE!

[@Rmwmtjay1878]

To me he copied parkland shooter I'm not even saying that guy's name at the end of the day I feel like he threw a tantrum tantrum the school had that backpack in their hands reasonable suspicion they said to check it but I don't know they keep making this big deal about this math homework assignment that the parents overlooked but yet the school had the attention to the assignment first and they did not think that was a reasonable suspicion to check his backpack but you have to keep trying to put it on the parents at the end of the day I'm sorry but reasonable suspicion would have been that math homework assignment that they keep trying to put on the parents the school had it in their hands first and they didn't think that was enough to check his backpack to me Ethan wants to be a copycat he got his wish and like the parkland shooter where the cop was hiding and was found not guilty because they have to come up with such a high reasonabledoubt so they found that man not guilty okay so now we're charging parents were charging parents for having affairs literally for not paying attention to their child which I don't believe the case was here I believe Ethan was throwing tantrum tantrums there's part of this case where he's looking down but he had his eyes keep looking up like to see people's reaction to me he definitely got a reaction when I see Tate's dad crying over this it's a joke in this world this man got what he wanted he got life in prison now he's trying to you know fight it and you know doing appeal in between his mom is now on trial trying to pick out of jail she's looking at 60 years if it's consecutive for what having a hobby with horses the prosecution didn't meet their burden in my opinion but then again who knows but this prosecution definitely has gotten on my nerves with his mom's trial

[@1durkey]

Who he texting he should be locked up to

[@msfranklin2650]

LETS HOLD EVERYONE ACCOUNTABLE ETHAN THE DEATH PENALTY, BOTH HIS DONORS LIFE IF YOU ASK ME I'M SO TIRED IF HEARING ABT MASS SCHOOLING EVERY YR SMH

[@janpatterson6302]

Picture speaks a thousand words. Ethan literally drew them a picture. If that had been my son I would have searched his backpack or at least checked at home for the gun.

[@mommabear9386]

What a sick individual.....that whole family.....I pray for the families of the victims and all those that are and have had to suffer such awful tragedy due to this sicko.

[@PoissonDemiVide]

Who tf was he sending all of these text messages to??? Cuz they should also be held accountable in some way. To receive message after message after message about torturing those poor birds and not say anything?! That person is sick, too

[@firefly44220]

I heard it was an old best friend that moved away but that kid never got the messages so he didn’t know

[@steamintrumpstains]

he was SENT A TEXT FROM THE NRA

[@PoissonDemiVide]

@@steamintrumpstains huh?

[@brenwils6227]

His friend... People say he never got the messages but you can hear the man on the stand say they were conversing back and forth. So the friend knew.

[@Binxxy92]

I don't know much about this trial so forgive me if I'm wrong but why the hell isn't this friend being charged as an accessory??? He literally told this other person all about what he wanted to do and what he was doing to animals and they said nothing?

[@funkfunkable]

Apparently he never read the messages..the computer/ phone can show if a message was read. That's what I heard..

[@speakupify]

Watching a thread and the amount of people thinking the mum should have been set free...they didnt watch this!!

[@JessLBreen]

His attorney looks like a young version of Cher! They even both stand that weird way!

[@JillianReeves]

I don't understand HOW in 2024 a student could get caught at school with these drawings and previously looking up bullets and be allowed to remain at school!?! How does this happen??? At minimum he should have had to stay in the administrators office and not released to be around other students. This is crazy.

[@rebeculus]

How about in 2021 when this happened?

[@JillianReeves]

Excellent point... things were sooo very different then @@rebeculus

[@Michelle-dh5gs]

Do people in the US mot realise that countries without guns don’t suffer this on a weekly basis?

[@rebeculus]

Hi, US citizen here! I share that information with pro-gun people all the time and they either deny it’s true (🙄) or tell me that doesn’t matter because the US is different or we’re too far gone to change it. Well, Australia did. May I move to your country? 😊

[@Michelle-dh5gs]

@@rebeculus you are very welcome.

[@nurselisa40]

Who is receiving these texts and seemingly ok with it??

[@AdrianaHernandez-zr9gd]

Great Judge we trust in you, and know you will make the punishment fit according to law.

[@kristinm784]

wonderful young smart judge

[@ksc743]

After watching this I don't care about his mental problems. The fact is, as psychiatrists testified, he was mature for his age. He had choices. He knew right from wrong but he Enjoyed inflicting pain on others and hearing them suffer. The judge absolutely got his sentence right. He's the worst kind of murderer - a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[@The_Crow-]

The apple 🍎 didn’t fall far from the tree.

[@buicia1130]

He wants to feel what life in prison like, let him feel it until his last minutes.

[@Valturnaqueen]

Yes. Let Bubba visit him every night at 3am

[@lyndzie-jillianking9671]

Go ahead and blame the parent not the fact that everyone Needs to have a gun..Only in a america😢 gross

[@pauline_raabe]

Life. No parole.

[@msfranklin2650]

BUT HE ACTUALLY NEED THE DEATH PENALTY START MAKING EXAMPLES OF THESE KIDS ALWAYS DOING MASS SCHOOL SHOOTINGS EVERY YR THIS HAPPENS WHEN WILL THEIR COMMUNITIES GET TIRED OF THIS SMH