Cliffe Knechtle's Most Captivating Debate - Why Did Jesus Sacrifice Himself?

[@aussieamy6367]

I respect anyone that can stand up and try to ask genuine questions under that kind of pressure in front of an audience. Thanks for asking the questions so we can hear the answers

[@RoyCyberPunk]

I love how he breaks it all down.

[@Small_Clips_Apologetics]

Amen! ✝️❤

[@Small_Clips_Apologetics]

Matthew 5:17 CSB "Don't think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to abolish but to 📩fulfill. Leviticus 17:11 CSB For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have appointed it to you to make 🩸atonement on the altar for your lives, since it is the lifeblood that makes 🩸atonement. Romans 3:23-26 CSB For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; [24] they are justified freely by his grace through the 📨redemption that is in Christ Jesus. [25] God presented him as ➡️the mercy seat by his 🩸blood, through faith, to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his restraint God ➡️passed over the sins previously committed. [26] God presented him to demonstrate ➡️his righteousness at the present time, so that he would be just and justify the one who has faith in Jesus. 4:55 📜Acts 1:21-26 CSB "Therefore, from among the men who have accompanied us during the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us- [22] beginning from the baptism of John until the day he was taken up from us-from among these, it is necessary that one become a witness with us of his resurrection." [23] So they proposed two: Joseph, called Barsabbas, who was also known as Justus, and Matthias. [24] Then they prayed, "You, Lord, know everyone's hearts; show which of these two you have chosen [25] to take the place in this apostolic ministry that Judas left to go where he belongs." [26] Then they cast lots for them, and the lot fell to Matthias and he was added to the eleven apostles.

[@bigp6071]

This kid just called Cliff a racist for pointing out that Jews had their own set of laws 2,000 years ago.

[@Frankboxmeer]

The guy is pointing out that these laws were only for jews in a theocracy, not for other people. Yeah, sounds racist to me

[@ricardogalindo2988]

He’s in a campus.. of course their filter is racism.

[@philipcoates9185]

Laws given to them by God.....thats what upset the "kid"

[@gloriouspurpose_]

Well, Israelites. & they kinda were racist. and supremacists.

[@MisterMpp]

​@@philipcoates9185yeah very racist buddy

[@binoyandpinay777]

Praise God for giving Cliffe wisdom to counter every thing that young man threw at him. And to give him intelligent answers to dwell on.

[@buixrule]

It is strikingly clear when you watch a debate between a saved person and a person with a dead spirit, what the differences are.

[@gloriouspurpose_]

Yea, one bullshits and uses wishful thinking because they dont want to come to terms with reality.

[@andrewlarge5201]

You just made the above point​@@gloriouspurpose_

[@gloriouspurpose_]

@@andrewlarge5201 I would think your reply was deep if I was 11 years old

[@Kiiphi]

@@gloriouspurpose_I pray for you

[@gloriouspurpose_]

@@Kiiphi I pray to Zeus for you

[@midnightbacongaming7039]

No one dies for a lie.

[@DanielRodriguez-zj5il]

But they might die for being genuinely mistaken.

[@ianmcgeehan4627]

No one dies for a lie that they Know to be a lie.

[@jaylenmoore3701]

@@DanielRodriguez-zj5ilhow can you genuinely mistake a resurrection?

[@KingJyg314]

Did the Muslims who committed 9/11 not die?

[@danielwallace8015]

So... the morman church is true? Joseph Smith made it all up and died fir it. I imagine you won't agree with this statement

[@TheTriplelman]

There are 16 historical writers of the time, Greek, Roman and Jewish that also atest to Christ life, death and resurrection

[@darkflamemaster6541]

Fr and they are non biblical sources some of those historians live the same or decades after christ death like Pliny the younger, Tacitus, Josephus and etc.

[@JustineWiniker]

Nope! Just "Mark" and his plagiarists

[@darkflamemaster6541]

@@JustineWiniker tell me you failed history class without telling you failed history

[@TheTriplelman]

@JustineWiniker  Flavius Josephus, Ticitus, Lucian, Plinay the Younger ( Roman governor), Suetonius - and more were Roman, Greek and Jewish historians before the 2nd century who wrote about Jesus life, miracles, death on the cross and some wrote about the resurrection. BUT HEY, stay ignorant - doesn't change the FACTS of world history and Jesus. We, that are learned just laugh and shake our heads at you, who decides to be a moron

[@JustineWiniker]

@darkflamemaster6541 tell me you were homeschooled without...

[@Raeodor]

Its amazing how many people prove they havent read the bible and understood what it says. Literally everything this kid used to argue against it, is explained in the bible. Its like the Holy Spirit accounted for all arguments against it. Its in the book. READ IT! People say "why doesnt God just come down and show he's real". He did, twice. During the Exodus and again 2000 years ago and people still managed to not believe Him. I believe all believe He is real, but most just do not want to believe IN Him.

[@Michelle-Davis]

Nope. That's just something written in an ancient document.

[@BrandonBriggs-p6j]

@@Raeodor it's hard to believe in something that can't be proven

[@Raeodor]

@@BrandonBriggs-p6j Absolutely true. Which is why I believe the bible is true. Jesus is real. Sorry you havent figured that out yet. But you arent really looking for Him, are you?

[@BrandonBriggs-p6j]

@Raeodor how can you find someone who isn't living or be seen?

[@Raeodor]

@@BrandonBriggs-p6j Fortunately he can be found.

[@MAZANI_USA999]

God bless your mother for raising such an amazing son.

[@CrAzYdAiSy653]

This is such a wholesome man that I hope to look up to!😭if we all follow his actions we will have such a bright future.

[@shydalelewis3966]

Alot of people like to blame God and I understand why. Some just don't understand and like this student seems he's willing to get an answer and understand for the most part. It seems him personally doesn't wanna let go of what he thinks of god and not allowing a man who knows him and his word good and personally to tell him truth. I understand I myself at times struggle to trust God but once I do it never back fires. The Bible can be a very difficult book to break down but context is needed. Its good people wanna know bc one day they could repent and give God the chance to save them.

[@gloriouspurpose_]

its not real

[@shydalelewis3966]

@gloriouspurpose_ what is "IT" be specific gracious. Wanna have a conversation create one.

[@gloriouspurpose_]

@@shydalelewis3966 well, calm yourself first of all. If you're going to be emotional, I'll just write you off. It is the topic of your comment, being whichever god you believe in.

[@shydalelewis3966]

@gloriouspurpose_ bro I wasn't even being emotional 😆 you should have told me why you dont believe he is real instead of basically saying nothing for me to reply to🤷‍♂️. I must know before we talk if you'd like to know if interested in knowing god or just my point of view? Or anything else you'd like to know within this conversation about of this topic.

[@gloriouspurpose_]

@@shydalelewis3966 do i have to explain why Zeus and Santa Claus arent real? Genuine question. You might want to think about that.

[@DianaRodriguez-f7c]

Amen!Cliffe is so good!

[@j.johnson5217]

Tht Bible says in proverbs that a fool can ask more questions then a wise man can answer. It seems clear this guy isn't really wanting to know but rather just argue points to discredit this man's faith hoping to trip him up.....

[@tonyassan8150]

I love to do what you are doing, Cliffe

[@BeefT-Sq]

"For centuries, the mystics of spirit have proclaimed that faith is superior to reason, but have not dared deny the existence of reason " -Ayn Rand-

[@akonemanaba4183]

Cliffe makes so much sense

[@zachSS199]

I feel bad for that kid, doesn’t understand his own arguments. Neither does he listen for answers to his own questions. Debates must have respect

[@robertquinones4457]

Notice how people simply want to hate God period.😢

[@Frankboxmeer]

If you deny logic, then you can believe in god

[@edumendel]

@@Frankboxmeer Explain your point

[@Frankboxmeer]

@@edumendel Actually I need to be more specific. I mean the god as described in the bible. Now you probably agree

[@franbatista9062]

@@Frankboxmeerno dude. You are the one who does not the ones who know God exists

[@Frankboxmeer]

@@franbatista9062 Do you literally believe the bible?

[@Pottedmeat123]

Jesus is the only one who gets mock. You dont die for a lie, you die for the truth. Just like 11 of the 12 did

[@RedEyeItachi]

Respect to this man for giving this women his forgiveness and giving her a hug she needed more than anything. We r so quick to judge and criticize people but know one is judging her more than she is. U can tell just by how she ran into his arms that she was really hurting on the inside and needed those words of love. This is how we truly grow as a society and truly stop all the hate and injustice. Forgiveness and understanding. 🙏🙏

[@ricknendepa6633]

So many people are just like this young fella. Looking for trouble when all he wants is peace. I’m sure he’ll find it one day, as so many of us have 🙏✝️💪

[@piratebouviere]

Does anyone have the full video of this debate? I wanna know what else she said to him.

[@FlowLikeWater429]

I would have watched an entire hour of these to debate. I love it. 🙏😊♥️

[@Bible_Alive]

Great questions and points made by both!

[@Era-lk1lo]

3:35 Cliffs best response is " so what" when confronted with the fact that evey religion thinks the evidence leads to theirs being true.

[@br_phoenix6367]

And what about it?

[@cruzwaldfelt7357]

The very notion that human can have different value, will render all law useless, this implies that human with higher value deserve more rights than those who less value, and the law will only work on those who is below a certain Value. There can be no justice in said society

[@TeW33zy]

The more they talk the sillier they sound. My administration through God will be extremely big. I turned away from cherishing sin in my heart 11/18/2024. I no longer Lie, Steal, Covet, Blaspheme, Bare False Witness Against my Neighbor, Adultery, Honor My Mother, Murder, Commit Idolatry and Fornicate. God added Love to the commandments for the gentiles and I have Love in my heart. I will be there soon! Amen 🙏🏾

[@mikemoore5309]

I wish we could watch the entire debate

[@nschlaak]

While no cow has ever tried to eat my siblings or me, we didn't exactly wait around to see if they would or not. At 4, 5, & 6 years old, and not familiar with Dairy cows or the fact that they used the same path we were on to come in for the nightly milking, we ran for our lives. Our aunts, uncles, and parents sure had a good laugh over our bravery.

[@Psusanoo]

11:27 She really wanted her question answered.

[@brohasfro]

Common sense is, if you Trust in God's promise you have nothing to lose but all to gain. But, if you don't, you have everything to lose and nothing to gain. It doesn't hurt to be the right person and to be the better person doesn't it?

[@JacobChacko3008]

Jesus took the bullet that was meant for us

[@Era-lk1lo]

But jesus/god also sent the bullet

[@wet-read]

Monstrous nonsense.

[@hunterbooth8578]

Man some of these questions make me so mad. How did they go to college and I didn’t? Lmaooo

[@castell1301]

Song name?

[@Anisa.Amwaku]

Respect for the black guy who was plucked for a scapegoat argument and then ignored when he tried to add his perspective. I see u man

[@timboNA6]

i pray God makes this guy a little less dense, bless Cliff and what he does

[@ehecken]

Some people can't see the forest for the trees. One day! 😏

[@drakeisaskinwalker5104]

So what if it was for a theocracy? How does that change anything about his point? It doesn’t, cliff lost me around 9 minutes

[@JaKingleo]

Feds might need to keep an eye on that young man 😂

[@jesseherbert3477]

Can anyone direct me to the news article?

[@ehecken]

And all this time he's wasting on this argument he could be reading and making a decision for himself.

[@albogast]

Imagine at time of Jesus educating people and saying "i am from God" and people u derstanding you!

[@mikedesposito1981]

This kid says that the Old Testament sounds so much different than the New Testament well read the New Testament and compare that to something written today would that sound different, I think so. Instead of reading the different books of the Bible these kids argue about something they can't believe through not from reading it but from what they heard from other people's take on it which would be an exaggeration if not read in person

[@EuclidFusionSupernova]

OR don't waste your valuable time reading either one! There are FAR more important and meaningful ways to invest our time and energy. Stay away from cults, in particular, the fundamentalist christian blood cult.

[@ricardogalindo2988]

@@EuclidFusionSupernovalol.. what a shame, it’s funny because Satanist are currently running the world, and by the sound of it you’re going down with them. I pray for you

[@julienschoppink829]

Amem❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@colinlavery625]

Why did they crucify Santa ??? All he ever did was make kids happy. It always seemed a bit harsh to me.

[@michaelcrawford3796]

Because god is just ? Who said that is where morals come from?

[@AbdulRehman-j6q9h]

Jesus dying for our Sins is not a logic thinking.

[@robertdsouza4818]

We see the signs that Jesus talked about in Mark 16:17-18 all around us every day. This is enough evidence to prove the gospel is true.

[@jacobnelson5580]

Well I didn't know evil or sin until I went to church....also where did the idea of hell come from....and let's be honest most people follow Christianity to avoid the promise of eternal hell....I didn't know sin or evil...I had to be taught

[@randyd9805]

I learned how to sin and do evil all by myself. Nobody taught me to do it or that it was right or wrong to do certain things like lying or stealing. They didn't teach you either. I'm not saying nobody taught you about right and wrong growing up, but you knew when you committed sin without anyone telling you. I knew I had committed sins as early as 4 and 5 years old. Some even know earlier than that. It's called having a conscience and it's in all human beings. You may have learned more about sin by going to church but nobody has to teach you stealing and other sins that I can't name on KZbin without getting flagged are wrong. Did anyone teach you it is wrong to lie, cheat, steal, use vulgar language, etc.? That conscience was put there by God and it can be corrupted as you grow older according to the Bible. It can even be "seared with a hot iron" according to First Timothy 4:2. There are many people walking around right now whose consciences no longer respond to right or wrong. Btw, I was not raised as a Christian and barely went to church while growing up. I came to know Jesus Christ at the age of 20 and I had plenty of sinning under my belt by then, but Jesus Christ forgave all of them by His grace.

[@JustineWiniker]

Not a single person wrote from personal experience with Jesus. The Gospels are the only writing of Jesus, and most are poor rewrites, because there are 3 different birth stories.

[@Nickleotide]

5:55 He says he is reliable because he did this and that and rose from the dead, however since that is impossible it makes it unreliable. You're welcome for solving this problem.

[@DinklebergPrime]

You're close, but he said Jesus is reliable because there have been witnesses attesting to those things that make him reliable, despite being impossible.

[@Nickleotide]

So either they lied, were crazy, or something else happened that can explain what they think they saw for instance maybe Jesus was not really dead yet.

[@robertminnie782]

"With man, this is impossible. With God, all things are possible" -Matthew 19:26

[@manuelmadoery8737]

​​​@@NickleotideIt was described that the blood preassure of the dead body of Christ was expulsed with water at a great preassure once his torso was pierced from his rib by a spear in order to confirm his dead, and one may survive the torture and bleed but a spear into his own chest and not reacting at all AND the signs of a dead body is not something someone can fake. Not only described by the bible but by other records from the same event.

[@Nickleotide]

Ok so then you are drawing the wrong conclusions in regards to what is true and that part of the bible should not be taken literaly

[@SukunaUzumaki-c7k]

Mr tickles😂😂😂

[@Del-Martinez-]

He’s thinking conceptually of a different kind of god.

[@ThoughEvolution]

Im LDS, and funny enough, we believe that since the time of adam, jesus christ was a seperate being from god. We dont need this weird conjecture about him calling to himself when it says he's calling to his father, or him being the son of God. A lot of logical leaps have been made since the invention of that concept (2nd and 4th century creeds), but that is not the case. Even if you don't believe joseph smith was a prophet, and even if he didn't ever exist, that would still be something that could be proven to ve the case

[@arturoestrada3321]

I don't think ppl hate God ,they're just frustrated when there's no good evidence to believe.Personally I believe in a higher power.Whether its how they describe him in the bible or what not Cliff is so caught on Mathew,Luke,Peter,John .I'm not too familiar with the bible n even I know that those books don't even have an author.they are anonymous.So am I missing something here or ppl don't care if they're real or not .They just believe cause they wanna believe.I believe because I've seen n been through so much stuff that there's no way it could of been done by someone other than a higher being.i don't read the bible but if u want to read it n follow it ,it's up to you

[@RevelationEnd]

Jesus sacrificed Himself because He was preordained by God to do so before the world was even created. 1 Peter 1:20 He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was [a]manifest in these last times for you

[@MannyTheMan316]

I find it funny when those who oppose the Bible, when they are being put in their place, they actually think they can use the race card against GOD. Racism is a petty issue when it comes to GOD and I also shake my head and chuckle a little when they argue and get so irritated about something they claim is not real, but hate it. How can you hate something that doesn’t exist, smh.

[@EuclidFusionSupernova]

Well... the mythical god you worship is a genocidal racist, misogynist, liar and rapist... and YOU worship that! Thankfully it doesn't actually exist!

[@hospitalsgivingpatientsdan8894]

Do not cast pearls at swine. Ignore the trolls you encourage them

[@chriswest8389]

Red herring. So far in ,Cliffe talks about Christ forgiving us of our sin. He doesn’t say what it’s for. Not like in Islam w here faith and works are not in conflict because there is no original sin.It’s in the case of Christianity, our mere existence. Babies deserve to be dammed - Justice, even with Christ dying on the cross-mercey. And in certain reform traditions, also alien to Islam, their may be billions of babies burning in Hell Now.

[@darrenkoglin3423]

I accept the payment of yeshua because he is the one approved by his God if yeshua is God then he surely did not die or sacrifice his perfect sinless life because God can NOT die ,he sacrificed his perfect sinless life because he is not God this is the appreciation of his sacrifice

[@Doaremon-bw7iz]

All humans are unholy by birth. How They can be a sacrifice? Think. Why shrinking gods unlimited abilities?

[@Doaremon-bw7iz]

All humans are sinners by birth

[@kevindavis8607]

This kid is a narcissist. He either hates his dad or has some trauma so he fights back against anything authoritative. His smugness is a clear sign. He has no interest in learning or listening to Cliff. So many of these debates involve the person being a narcissist. “I don’t believe in that so it’s not real and you’re wrong and I’m right”.

[@Frankboxmeer]

What a great student. Knechtle is struggling but has to keep his face straight

[@edumendel]

you gotta be kidding me HAHAHAHAHAHH

[@moonlightlove27]

Struggling? LOL. The student wants evidence outside of the bible for Jesus divineness, yet obviously ignores the Shroud Of Turin evidence. There is zero proof that image was created by human means, as in paint, etc. A burst of light created the image only on the very top fibers of the cloth.

[@amazinggrace8136]

That kid contradicted himself so bad.

[@Frankboxmeer]

@@amazinggrace8136 where?

[@Davelove.]

Jesus Christ never sacrificed him because he never existed. Case closed.

[@Doaremon-bw7iz]

Says a fool

[@BrandonBriggs-p6j]

Isaiah 45:7 says, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. I guess this isn't supposed to be taken literally. If things in the Bible can't be taken literally, then the Bible isn't credible

[@HislawisTruth]

What's wrong with the verse?

[@BrandonBriggs-p6j]

@HislawisTruth So many Christians and pastors say God didn't create evil. According to this verse, he did.

[@HislawisTruth]

@@BrandonBriggs-p6j Many Christians and pastors also teach that we can walk in rebellion and not lose our salvation. The fact is man lies, God does not.

[@BrandonBriggs-p6j]

@@HislawisTruth So, you agree that God created evil? Or are you saying the Bible isn't credible and can't be taken literally?

[@HislawisTruth]

@@BrandonBriggs-p6j God created evil. Where people get confused is what that means in context. If people will try to use that in saying God created sin, well that is not what it says. When God brings judgment, He brings good and evil. Peace and calamity. Light and darkness. Life and death. God sent light to Israel and darkness to the Egyptians who pursued them.

[@peterjanjanin9883]

A fraud wouldn't sacrifice himself....

[@EuclidFusionSupernova]

Read some history -- yes, frauds absolutely have sacrificed themselves AND their own children... have you not HEARD of Jonestown?

[@docbauk3643]

5:22 Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are not witnesses nor reliable. Just a little honest would be nice from this so called devote Christian.

[@Lurkspur]

Research harder before you spout off nonsense. I pray that the evil and hate in your heart may be washed away, in Jesus name.

[@docbauk3643]

@@Lurkspur the research is fucking clear my friend. We do not know who wrote the gospels hence non reliable. Furthermore they are not eyewitnesses. It is what it is. Lies lies lies.

[@ISATŌP1]

Spiritually Discerned, a Jew is the Symbol of he who is moving in the way of Infinite, Omnipresent Awareness, turning away (repenting) from the human intellect and the senses. The story of Exodus is the Spiritual Symbol of the Jew Fleeing Egypt. Egypt is the Symbol of the Ignorance of Infinite Awareness. It is the Fleeing(dissolving) from the Reliance upon the Senses and the Finite Beliefs and Thoughts Associated with them. The Desert Symbolizes the Struggle of Building Receptivity to Infinite Awareness as Mortal Thoughts, Symbolized as Satan Tempt us to Entertain them as Truth. Get thee behind me mortal beliefs about God Infinite!!

[@oilfieldtrash6708]

How can you say Jesus sacrificed himself when he was “dead” for 36 hours and then resurrected? When you sacrifice something you do without that thing How can you sacrifice something and still keep the thing that you sacrificed? All religions are fairytales.

[@huckleberry5085]

What has always bothered me is the fact that God, not only makes the perpetrators pay for their sins but their children also have to pay for their sins since the fall of man. How can you justly assert that an innocent baby has to pay the price for their father and mother’s sins? It just speak seem right or fair.

[@WarrenAllen-y3t]

Jesus died for Israel and 10 years latter Paul brought Gentiles in the play

[@justhomuraaa]

he died for everybody. not just for israel.

[@WarrenAllen-y3t]

@@justhomuraaa that's was said since the Catholic Church took over after Rome fell . But now the Pope declared the teachings were wrong . Everything in book section of your Bible centered on Israel. Jesus declared this fact when the woman who was Gentile touched his clothing . He said I came for Israel but your faith cured you , take care

[@justhomuraaa]

@@WarrenAllen-y3t read ephesians 1 and 2

[@WarrenAllen-y3t]

@@justhomuraaa I know the only words to fallow is what Jesus said himself , all those other chapters by Paul and in old Testament , Torah has no input on the matter . People has to cross reference on the subject has no true belief , take care

[@justhomuraaa]

@@WarrenAllen-y3t paul’s words absolutely do matter. with your logic you disregard everything that the disciples say and only listen to what jesus says.

[@douglouthaine8799]

There is more evidence that Luke was a Jew, not a Gentile

[@TomSanders-mi2bg]

What about majority of people in the world who dont believe/trust in Jesus. The all loving , all powerful god will send them to hell....

[@msmd3295]

Ok… wait one minute… the first words from Cliffe’s mouth is that Jesus was “absorbing” the penalty for OUR wrong-doing. Who or what was it that “created” EVERYTHING?? To my recollection it was some supernatural being referred to as “god” (or Allah or some other “spirit”) . Well, if god created US then who should be responsible for OUR wrong-doing ?? GOD !! Don’t be “hoodwinked” by Cliffe in this episode. He’s simply too locked into his own theistic mindset to perceive the facts in front of him. So here’s just one overlooked fact (argued “logically”). I’ll use a “painter” as an analogy. Say, a person that paints portraits is commissioned to paint a likeness for some prominent person. After the painting is finished the person of whom the likeness was painted concludes “it’s a piece of pig manure”. Now, should the person whose likeness was painted take responsibility for the handiwork of someone else ?? You bet NOT !! The exact same reasoning applies to the creation of the physical universe. In the field of “philosophy” a Perfect thing is described in such a way that whatever that thing is, if it’s perfect then it’s perfect in every way that thing could possibly be. Were that thing to change in Any way, it would no longer be perfect. Nietzsche was right… god is dead or should be dead. Because what did god do ?? God created an entire universe out of what ? The universe is made entirely of Atoms, physical matter. And everyone should know that matter is an Imperfect substrate to make anything “perfect” ! Why? Because it is the very Nature of matter to be in a constant state of change. If you’re an adult you should already know this… just look around, NOTHING in a physical universe remains the same forever !! Cars & buildings deteriorate, plants, animals & people die, stars explode, the weather & geology of the Earth constantly changes, etc etc. and eventually the physics of entropy indicates even this universe will die at some point. And all theists (in particular christians & muslims of contemporary times) believe (have been taught) there’s something else after they die ?? ! That they’ll live in some paradise for all eternity ?? And all they have to do is believe Mohammed or believe “in” an ancient Jewish rabbi referred to as “Jesus” ?? I believe there may very well have been such a rabbi. What I (and anyone else should) do is to NOT readily accept the supernatural “miracles” attributed to Jesus. It’s far more plausible that ancient rabbi was sufficiently aware of other people’s misery & suffering and tried to give those ancient people around him some form of Hope of a better life after their miserable lives were over. As a result he developed a new specie of “mysticism”. Jews originally didn’t believe in an afterlife (although there are now Jesus-believing Jews). And the motive for believing in Jesus is what one may as well characterize as an emotional “security blanket”, a promise of paradise after this miserable life ends. The human ego for most people simply refuses to accept the prospect of their own death some day. But death should be any more feared than being born. They’re both aspects of life.

[@philipcoates9185]

Is there anyone more patronising than this Knechle chap?

[@Maximus.51]

Actually the penalty for humanity is eternal hell, if Jesus paid for our sins he would have actually taken our place in hell for us, because he didn’t shows that he didn’t die for our sins

[@whizdavincipiano1749]

Well last time I checked Révélations chapter 1 verse 17-18 clarifies that He indeed went to hell, took the keys of Death and Hell from the devil.

[@Maximus.51]

@@whizdavincipiano1749 last time I checked he only stayed for 3 days not eternity, our punishment for hell is eternity, not 3 days. So again my point still stands

[@whizdavincipiano1749]

@@Maximus.51 the main question I have to ask is. According to the Bible what is the wages of sin?

[@Maximus.51]

@@whizdavincipiano1749 eternal hell, the price we have to pay is eternal hell, the way for God to pay that price for us is for God to TAKE the punishment for us, our punishment for SIN is eternal hell, so the fact that god HASNT taken our place for us in hell shows that he DID NOT take the penalty for humanity, let’s say I commit a crime, the penalty is the electric chair, someone says no I’ll take the punishment for you and they get a LITTLE zap for about .03 seconds. And then they get up and say, see how much I suffered. Again just use common sense it’s not that hard to figure out

[@shaunchia6867]

The wages of sin is death. Strange that you want to determine how God wants to save us when it should be on his terms to fulfil perfect justice.

[@BrandonBriggs-p6j]

Cliff can never clearly answers a question. He just dances around the question trying to confuse people

[@gedeonrush2612]

he gives direction for you to find the answer. If his job was to have the answer to everything, he'd be putting himself in a way of saying "the truth only comes from me"

[@EuclidFusionSupernova]

@@gedeonrush2612 Cliffe doesn't even remotely have a direction -- the bible isn't evidence, and it isn't a constructive guide for life -- it's a blood cult manual.

[@zacharygreene8169]

not even though, he literally does explain everything, watching this i wouldve said like 2 things DIFFERENTLY,

[@zacharygreene8169]

like when the guy was asking for things outside of the bible idk why cliffe doesnt just start naming the other scources outside of the bible that claim the same thing, like many other accounts back then state seeing jesus, knowing of a man named jesus performing miracles, so on, but he specifically goes only to the bible because that tbh the only evidence u need, the other evidence obviously helps but as a christian we shouldn’t need extra evidence

[@EuclidFusionSupernova]

@@zacharygreene8169 You don't have ANY evidence that jc was anything more than a 1st-century itinerant rabbi -- even THAT claim is inconclusive! Read Richard Carrier or Josh Bowen's work if you want an unbiased, evidence-based, point of view on the historical character jesus. THEY both have decades of 1st century research.

[@gloriouspurpose_]

This Cliffe guy is so dishonest. The law wasn't for a theocracy, it was YHWH's moral law. Also the Jesus verse where he said dont stone the adulterous woman is a known addition by a later writer.

[@zambot264]

This is so funny and delusional that i can't even laugh

[@pyrology101]

It's not so much his ignorance: I can accept that. His attitude and general demeanour is what gets me.

[@ricardogalindo2988]

@@pyrology101the part of the stoning the adulterer, it completely went over his head which was frustrating

[@kevindavis8607]

This kid is a narcissist. I’ll bet he doesn’t have real friends, just people he collects until he’s done.

[@danielpowers5891]

I hate that whoever uploads these videos is always pausing the videos to give commentary. Just upload the video and please shut up.

[@JoshuaNguyen-fr4kk]

the way that guy talk he may have sleep with stive .

[@STK.SMg209]

man he talks in circles you don't need a degree to have common sense 😂

[@JustineWiniker]

Does Cliff smoke a lot of smack?

[@JustineWiniker]

Is Cliff dead?

[@Proverbs-uw3ng]

10 commandments was for their generation, and in their land only.

[@michaelmoore234]

Wrong, 10 commandments were for the jews only , part of the levitical law , old testament, But we're in the new testament now , no longer under that law

[@gingercake0907]

The 10 Commandments are the objective laws that you find in every culture, ethnicity or nation on earth. The 10 Commandments aren’t just for one particular group of people, they are for everyone. Jesus told His disciples and others in Matthew 22:37-40 that love is the motive behind all of the laws and what the prophets taught. The ceremonial laws are laws that are particular to Israelites circumcision , don’t eat pork, don’t eat shellfish etc. The Civil laws or laws of the land are what PEOPLE do in that culture or geographical area, speed limits, noise abatement laws, paying taxes etc. The 10 Commandments found in Exodus 20:3-17 are for all time and you don’t need to be of a particular religious persuasion to practice them. I don’t have to be a Jew to practice the 10 Commandments, nor do I have to be a Christian or a Hindu or Sikh or Buddhist to practice them.

[@Proverbs-uw3ng]

@@gingercake0907 Yes you have to be circumcised in the flesh. Regardless Jesus abolished the laws and commandments of Moses. We live by faith and the commandments of Jesus John 14:15 God bless

[@shamkkshaun]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@Proverbs-uw3ng I don’t think we need to be circumcised in the flesh literally if that’s what you’re saying here. Romans 4:9-16 I do agree that we live by faith and the commandments of Jesus (which agree with the original commandments but take them a step further) God bless

[@Proverbs-uw3ng]

@@shamkkshaun If you were under the Law of Moses, like in Exodus 12:48 Because of the Law, or being under the Law of Moses you were to be circumcised. God bless for following Jesus

[@joseoliveira3691]

This guy is a charlatan

[@DanielRodriguez-zj5il]

Why do Cliffe assumes there must be perfect justice for every injustice? He just assumes this to make his point. And if he actually cared about justice, then take the punishment you deserve and don't accept the substitutional atonement.

[@IthinkImOk-k7g]

Sure, when we stand before a judge in our court system, he will give u the punishment u rightly deserve. And if u have multiple infractions: shoplifting, evading the police, resisting arrest, etc.. he will add up all the penalties before pronouncing sentence. When we stand before God the Father, the problem is that even a tiny infraction (sin) blocks us from entering Heaven, because Heaven is pure, glorious, sinless beauty. So, when God adds up the penalties for our sins, it will be very bad news for us. NOBODY is worthy to even be in God’s presence, much less to live with him in Heaven. But because God loves us and values us so much, Jesus volunteered to take our punishment by suffering and dying on the cross. His blood washes away our sin. He essentially bought our ticket to Heaven. He then stands next to us saying “I love u. That’s why I sacrificed myself for u… to save u. All I ask is that u put your faith & trust in me and follow me. Will u do that?” He made is so easy for EVERYONE to go to Heaven and live with God. How wonderful it is to realize that we are NOT saved by what we do… we are saved by what Jesus did… because no matter what WE do, we will never deserve Heaven on our own… no matter how kind, generous, helpful or compassionate we are, good deeds don’t cancel out our bad ones. Just like when we stand before the judge after we have been caught shoplifting and we say “Wait a minute: I donated money to the poor, I volunteer at a homeless shelter… isn’t that good?” The judge will say “Those deeds are very good. However, they do not cancel out the crimes u have been convicted of”. That’s the point: God puts such a HUGE priority on us just being humble and putting our faith and trust in him and his plan of salvation thru the atoning sacrifice of Jesus on the cross, that IF WE DO THAT… he will embrace us warmly, forgive ALL our sins, and welcome us into Heaven. He is NOT focused on punishing us… he is focused on SAVING us.

[@DanielRodriguez-zj5il]

@@IthinkImOk-k7g Poor guy, you are as innocent as the minion in your pfp.

[@c0rndog748]

@@DanielRodriguez-zj5ilyou should probably actually read what he wrote as he answered your question instead of being smug. Doesn’t make you right or look smart, quite the opposite. The entire concept of justice comes theological reasoning in the first place. So the idea of laws and the punishment for breaking such laws comes from that. So Judaic and Christian origin on those concepts stem from the God of Abraham and the beliefs centered on that. Our justice system is modeled, yet flawed by human nature, after a perfect judgement of an all knowing and powerful God. On earth you speed, you pay a fine, shoplift go to jail for a short time, assault someone you go to jail longer, worse than that much much longer or for life. The concept only differs with God as he’s a being outside of time, space, and place and therefore infinite and eternal. And a being of eternal nature can only deal judgement on a scale of infinite eternity. So the one sin, unpaid for, unfortunately casts you to hell for eternity. As sin is only an action outside of the Lords will, so in choosing to act in separation of Him, He casts you to eternity without Him. Jesus pays that debt asking you only put faith in Him in knowing salvation only comes from God and not from human works or actions. But either way if you don’t believe in God or hell and choose a life of separation from Him willingly why do you even care or worry what somewhat thinks of judgement or perfect judgment for sins equaling eternal separation from God? It should be of no worth or reason for you to even watch or comment on the video but yet you do….. wonder why that is…… I know why, just hope you ask yourself and find the reason before it’s too late

[@DanielRodriguez-zj5il]

@@c0rndog748 The reason I didn't care to address his response (or yours for that matter) is that you guys keep spouting claims after claims without an ounce of evidence. Sin? Heaven? God the father? I need proof these things actually comport to reality before giving a crap about them.

[@c0rndog748]

@@DanielRodriguez-zj5il prove to me you exist. I need proof to comport you to reality. Prove to me any of your beliefs devoid of any presuppositions, faithful claims or hypothesis or theories. Where do you suppose claims of good come from? Upon what comparison? What you find morally just and what find good justice as? To what is it derived or compared? If it’s from just man then other cultures that may say forcing yourself upon a woman for pleasure without consent is okay does that make it okay? If you say no then where does moral superiority come from? On what authority are you acting imparting a higher moral position? I can tell you aren’t as intellectually skeptical as you believe. Reddit level argument at best dealing in smug “well you can’t prove it definitively so…” as if any scientific hypothesis you may believe along such as “nothing causing everything” ie big bang, is nothing more than unsubstantiated theories or hypothetical that raise more questions than answer. Just be intellectually honest and lean not on your own understanding

[@dareesjrudethpetrvysnhu3297]

You are all lost. Tja... abnegation

[@classiq-one]

And today we have christian following a particular candidate trying to make them the Christian president. Where is the separation from church and state here? They are trying to make another pope in American 😢. Do they not see this? The name of Jesus doesn’t belong in politics. Jesus is not for either he is coming to set up his eternal kingdom. Let us seek to make Jesus the king of our lives and leave politics to the world. Pray for them but don't promote them. God take down and put up we cannot change that.

[@walterdaems57]

Jesus was a self deluded prophet who claimed to be the only son of a non existent entity. For the miracles and healings I gladly refer to the impressive contemporary works of Copeland, Hinn, Osteen and co.

[@docbauk3643]

4:27 Cliff is a fraud!!