Cloud vs Cyber for a New Person?

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[@briteness9356]

Listen to this man. I just got my first cloud support analyst job. No SaaS experience but a bit of coding knowledge and how cloud architect functions. Helped that I had knowledge now working on certs to help me move up to a engineer role by end of year. Most important thing put yourself out there network with people doing the hiring. Ask to linkup with them to prepare elevator pitch. Good luck learners and fellow techies.

[@nogoogle6349]

Who else loves this guy? #Me Thanks for the information 👍

[@JoshMadakor]

[@derrickbasnight6874]

Me

[@franknoneofya9585]

The difference between the cyber degree and the cloud computing degree at wgu is 3-4 classes. I'm actually starting the cloud computing because I have a background in operational systems engineering, but I'm paying for an extra semester and taking the cyber degree as well.

[@GeminiCloudTech]

I just changed my degree program from BSCSIA to BSCC and im glad i did. Im seeing a lot more entry-level opportunities on LinkedIn and Indeed whereas CS positions requires an exuberant amount of experience.

[@michaelbrown7142]

Thanks! I finishing up my Cyber Security degree but also started studying cloud computing.

[@JoshMadakor]

Amazing. Bet of luck ^^

[@Static_Rain]

I’ve recently been going through this dilemma. I am currently enrolled in the BSCSIA program right now. I definitely have to go to cloud computing and will revisit the cybersecurity program down the road!

[@espringer1035]

Great question and even better answer Thanks

[@JoshMadakor]

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[@MrMikejonesism]

I was stuck between Cybersecurity, Networking and Cloud. I'm going to go the cloud route as my current employer (MSFT Partner) gives unlimited? free Microsoft Azure exam vouchers. Hoping to knock out most of the certs and transfer credits before transferring into WGU to complete the Cloud degree. It is definitely possible to get a good IT job without any degree and a few certs.

[@JoshMadakor]

I think this is the best possible plan in your situation and is exactly what I would do. I'm a big fan of Azure and their certs are appealing, and they are free?! Amazing. Best of luck!

[@edwardv4546]

Unlimited??? That’s a great look. I would love that

[@JayMar14]

Wow! Thank you for this!

[@c3t1f13dgoon]

can you do a deeper educational video on the two? i browse to see what jobs are open for cybersecuirty but they always want 5+ years & a degree...like wtf,where do fresh college students go

[@C3Cloud_]

He says don’t worry about that. Watch his imposter video

[@evenesence21]

I wonder this too. Seems like people end up going into random IT roles waiting to get enough experience, to transfer into Cybersecurity. Getting a degree to work for $50k/year, in a role that isn't consistent with your degree, feels like such a shame. 😞

[@caseyspaulding]

Thank you very very much!

[@JoshMadakor]

Of course!! Ty for watching!

[@b3nx0]

I'm In the BSCSIA program now at WGU switching to Cloud Computing Multi Cloud next term!

[@JoshMadakor]

Dope!! Both good programs but the new cloud is 🔥

[@DragonxDxLuffy]

Hey Josh I am planning on starting the BSCSIA in the coming months and would like your input on whether it is the best route to go to do a career change from Medical to Tech?

[@mxleuphoria5130]

I do have the opportunity to go pursue a bachelors degree, researching it seems since cloud is somewhat newer theres no specific cloud engineering degree at this time, I’d still like to complete a degree tho what would you recommend being the best degree to pursue if cloud is my end goal? Computer science? Software engineering? Or general IT?

[@shafialanower3820]

Mmmm honestly was thinking about cybersecurity analyst but might be tempted to cloud if it has a lower threshold to get in than cybersecurity. But now I gotta invest resources into learning cloud since I barely know anything technical about it. Guess I could learn both at the same time but would be challenging

[@user-fo2cc7xx4y]

If i want to do tech sales, would there be more jobs for cloud or cyber security??

[@daradoesdesign7622]

@JoshMadakor : thanks for speaking on this. that said, if I ultimately want to become a cloud security engineer - would you suggest becoming.a cloud sport engineer first, to make it easier to gain entry into cloud security engineering later??

[@nayanj.g276]

Hey can we consider oci certification for cloud security

[@livelife-ff9io]

Realistically at age of 34 is it great, good or not okay to learn cloud computing with no IT background?

[@syedumer4867]

is cybersecurity experience counts for Cloud or cloud security for salary jump ??

[@imnateyo4089]

Going between cyber security and cloud computing from WGU I currently work in sales for 3 years I’m 23 and want a career change but there is so much conflicting information out there but my ultimate goal is to eventually get into security down the road but seems like cloud computing with also be less niche what your thoughts thanks you !

[@arham9185]

Hi Josh I am confused which to chose cyber security vs cloud I want to finish fast as possible and get a job what would you suggest

[@JoshMadakor]

Definitely cloud is easier to get into

[@akshithathyag]

I am currently persuing my master in computer application so should i choose cybersecurity or cloud computing.

[@Bestofthe510]

I work for Tesla already as a robotic technician. I want to transfer to engineering should I focus on cloud engineering. I also have some python experience.

[@atticus2123]

Would it be better to get a bachelors in SWE or just go for Cloud Computing with all the certifications?

[@deanspicknell2579]

What makes you say cloud is tough?... thanks for sharing your knowledge means alot bro 🙏

[@just_a_virgo_girl3575]

Wow does this phone hear my thoughts or what. I'm on track to start cybersecurity at WGU on 2/1 but after looking at Job postings etc in debating about switching to Cloud instead since I would be new to the tech world. I'm coming from a banking background

[@Tonyy762]

Key word there tough

[@JoshMadakor]

What did I miss? haha

[@bershelleparks5035]

Now the follow up question. Azure or AWS first for those starting out; which is "easier" to learn and work with? 🤔

[@TheGuy3-D]

Late, but I'd probably say Azure. I work for a pretty loose IT team, so I can access almost anything, and I've yet to touch the AWS we're moving to. I have though, played with our Azure admin portal, and found it very useful since we're in a Windows environment.

[@DeadSensei8269]

Very helpful video sir👍🏽 I just recently decided to pursue cloud after changing my major in community college a couple times. I have a question are degrees required for cloud or can I get a job with certifications and experience? I do not want to transfer to a university to save time and money on a bachelor’s so I would rather just get certified

[@JoshMadakor]

Experience > Skill > Certs & Degrees, if I had to say order them. in reality though, it really depends on who is looking at your resume/portfolio/etc. In the most simple form, all you need to get hired is: a) Some skills b) The ability to convey those skills properly :)

[@sumanshrana1663]

i want to become cloud security engineer can you please tell the roadmap and alwys whoch masters degree should i focus on

[@JoshMadakor]

I'll make a video about this!

[@DrMrCyborg]

I’ve heard you say it before but I cannot find which video . Any recommendations for podcasts/websites that will help keep me up to date with all things tech . I understand it’s an innovative field so I would like to know what’s new .

[@scorpionsoul10]

I keep losing my comment somewhere in this space. I believe this is the video (step 1) that you are looking for: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2mWcoZ9o8SJldU

[@JoshMadakor]

Hey Pierre! Latest News (CyberWire Daily): thecyberwire.com/podcasts/daily-podcast Security Stories (Darknet Diaries): darknetdiaries.com/

[@JoshMadakor]

Wow, thanks for helping ^^

[@zach.intech]

Does cloud have more jobs than cybersecurity? I always believed that cloud get outsourced to India and Asia especially the system admin ones 😢

[@JoshMadakor]

There is quite a bit of overlap between cloud and security. --- indeed job hits for "cloud": 46,135 indeed job hits for "cyber": 14,489 indeed job hits for "cybersecurity": 13,606 indeed job hits for "cyber security": 9,955 --- Hope this helps!

[@abhiraj4528]

If we able to advance in cloud domain, if we become really good at it, we'll know how the security will be compromised, so we will become a cloud security engineer.. Iam I right ?

[@sanbemsmedia848]

Hello Josh, Do you think working in networking for few years can help you succeed better in the cloud computing environment?

[@JoshMadakor]

Absolutely it can help, though I don't think it needs to be a few years. My wife simply got CCNA and worked in help desk for 6 months, then started doing cloud support engineering at MS for 114k base (not counting bonus, etc).

[@toddarmstrong6460]

@@JoshMadakor hey Josh, what Azure certs did she get?

[@SHAKEnBAKElvl9000]

@@JoshMadakor wait with just a CCNA? DID SHE ALREADY HAVE BS IN TECH? CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU BOTH. THATS AMAZING

[@galloe]

Good info, but l see a problem with the person who asked the question's way of thinking. A lot of people who are trying to break into cybersecurity from other industries want the shortest and easiest path, they don't want to put in the work it takes to become an expert at something. Neither cybersecurity nor cloud computing are entry level, it takes time and effort to get there, and I'm positive that the majority of these people don't even have fundamental knowledge of computers, let alone networking. I've seen it all over the comments sections of these types if videos.

[@blackswan7568]

Hey Josh. Would you recommend WGU for somebody like me who recently came out of high school and has very little experience in IT? If not, which college would you recommend? Thanks!

[@JoshMadakor]

Hey again blackswan! it depends on if you want the college experience or not! Check out this short video: kzbin.infooinlLA0t3RM I might recommend going to a community college in a metro area for a year or two if you want the social experience. But if you don't care, WGU (or a similar school like TESU) is probably the best option in terms of cost/quality :)

[@blackswan7568]

@@JoshMadakor Thanks again for the advice! I'm currently going to a community college and will finish up this spring. After that, it looks like I'll have to make my decision on which matters to me more: a university experience or a fast degree. I'll be sure to check out TESU as well😉

[@phonefamoustv7930]

Would it be good to go cloud then pivot to cloud security?

[@JoshMadakor]

Absolutely. A lot of security features are automatically baked into cloud platforms so you'll get exposure whether you like it or not, haha. it's easy to make that pivot imo

[@derrikpando2469]

Hey Josh! Love your videos man! Is there anywhere I can send direct messaging? I’ll support anyway I can! Need a mentor to help break and transition into my professional career and you seem to really know the field really well. Much appreciated!

[@JoshMadakor]

Hey Derrik! Thanks so much, I really appreciate that. I'm REALLY busy lately, it's stupid, and I probably will be until next year. However, I do have a discord that is really nice full of helpful people. It's for Patrons so it's like $2/mo which a good alternative and you can @ me in there and I will definitely see/read it. Otherwise your best bet is the comments like this! Also, here's some videos that might help you get started: Imposter Syndrome: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHawdquMq92Xo9U How to get a job in IT (checklist): kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6XLnKp4fr-jnpY How to pass any IT exam: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fn6meYKMedSNn8k How to generate experience for your resume: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5LWeYOHZbt1hcU How I would apply as a new person: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5Ckqnt4qbZgi5o Finding Remote jobs on LinkedIn: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZywhZ2kjdt6isk Finding Remote jobs on Indeed: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnOcoYN3Z9qlorM Resume Reviews Playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLqBeiU46hx1FItbfiA-i3ql5RLFMJfKw0 Best of luck!

[@derrikpando2469]

@@JoshMadakor Much appreciated for the response man!💪 These references are golden! I will most definitely join the discord and keep going from there! Thanks for all the valuable content! Means a lot!👊

[@onterioushuitt151]

Any cloud computing boot camps you would recommend

[@zach.intech]

If money isn’t the issue. I would honestly choose AWS Institute

[@zach.intech]

I would pick Cloud security if my concern is securing my future investments.

[@jarredhampton169]

Hey Josh. I’m stuck. I have been pursuing Cybersecurity since last October. I did a 5 month cybersecurity bootcamp and then enrolled in WGU for the BSCSIA with about 10 transfer credits. So far I finished 32 CU’s (not including transfer) and have my A+, Sec+ and ITIL v4. I landed an IT Security Analyst job and will now be working in cyber without the degree. I want to finish my degree as my GI Bill pays for it but I’m on the fence of changing to the IT degree because it’s faster and then doing my Masters in the Cybersecurity and Information Assurance. What would you recommend now that I’m working in cyber? Do I finish the BSCSIA or change to IT and then do MSCSIA?

[@JoshMadakor]

Congrats on the job, that's great!! I would honestly change to IT General then get the Masters lol. Like you said, you already got the job, which is definitely the hardest part. Great thinking on that by the way, and congrats again ^^

[@jarredhampton169]

@@JoshMadakor Thanks for responding Josh! This was the number one insight I was looking for. Now here’s the thing, even though I’m now in the field, do you think the BSCSIA is the better route due to relevance / cert stack or is IT General + MSCSIA a better combo to diversify myself? I think the end goal is management up to CISO as I have a background in management as well.

[@jarredhampton169]

@@JoshMadakor Oh and lastly, IT General or IT Management? Would either of those + MSCSIA be a worthy route for CISO with obviously technical experience in the field?

[@arham9185]

Bro why are you wereing Sun glasses 🤓 do not mind

[@JoshMadakor]

I look at the screen too much lately and it's getting really uncomfortable

[@a_random_guy2671]

I'm already in the cyber program at wgu but would like to have the opportunity to do some of those entry cloud roles. Would the associate level certs be enough. I was thinking az500 but will do az104 if necessary.

[@dvn3605]

In previous videos he suggest az900 and az104

[@JoshMadakor]

Thanks so much for helping!

[@JoshMadakor]

Those would definitely help. Any combination of AZ-900, AZ-104, and AZ-500 gonna be dope. there are others, but these are a great foundation.

[@dvn3605]

@@JoshMadakor would you suggest network+ or security+ on top of that or would you say focus more on the az certs and projects?