James Cameron on 'fundamental flaw' in design of Titan submersible

James Cameron, deep sea explorer and director of the iconic movie "Titanic," speaks with CNN’s Anderson Cooper about the catastrophic implosion that killed five aboard OceanGate’s Titan submersible, which was bound for the Titanic wreck. #CNN #News

[@GodLovesComics]

The Australian engineer who built James Cameron's submersible said that Cameron was obsessive about every detail and would debate for hours as to whether a titanium washer was better than a stainless steel one. That is the kind of attention to detail and seriousness required for such a dangerous venture. Plus Cameron always went down with two submersibles in case there was an issue.

[@sapphyrus]

He is a renowned perfectionist as told by every actor that works with him. Not a surprise he is detail oriented.

[@balung]

Cameron is a smart, "50 year old white guy."

[@vick55455]

He only went down with 2 submersibles when he went to the Titanic, when he went to Challenger Deep he was alone, nonetheless he was obviously obsessive, as any person going on such a trip should be, there's no fucking around at either of those depths

[@TheFlashyWeasel]

​@@sapphyrusprobably why he's been married several times... 😂

[@marvg7062]

@@balung he's 68

[@peterparsons7141]

James Cameron is saying things that many other experts will not say. Good for him.

[@Edmond347]

That's exactly what I was thinking.

[@Encantado215]

trust him, trust.... science!

[@FD_and_B]

He really threading the needle between “this is terrible” and “this was preventable and he’s not getting off the hook jus bc he’s dead”

[@Bawookles]

No, all the other experts said it too, it's just that the CEO of OceanGate didn't want to listen.

[@brianmacintire3064]

Dude has enough $ to not give a shit what anyone says or thinks about him. Gives him a lot of freedom.

[@JoaoSilva22222]

This man not only dove 30 times on Titanic, but kept and ENTIRE crew underwater shooting a whole movie for more than 6 months, without casualties. Plus he also shot Titanic with 0 issues. This man has real experience on what he´s saying.

[@davids2cents594]

he also helped make a sub that took him 3x deeper then the titanic he is an expert in deep sea exploring

[@agreb25]

Wait he kept an entire crew underwater for 6 months straight? How?

[@leiflocks501]

Yet theres some morons in this comment section that arent calling him an expert...WTf is he then...

[@stanislouse4168]

yep.

[@hubertg7100]

LMAOOOOOOOO; Good one!

[@pieterpennings9371]

“Hoping against hope I was wrong, knowing i wasn’t” I love James Cameron. An expert in what he does

[@marcuscarana9240]

James Cameron is the only Hollywood celeb I know of that speaks like an engineer or a scientist. No wonder his movies are well crafted. You can see by the way he speaks, he approaches and thinks things systematically.

[@GQMofo]

That makes sense because he was an engineer or studied engineering before he became a director. I could be wrong but his attention to detail when it comes to safety is immense & spoken about very highly.

[@DLO0622]

Cause every night in his dreams, he sees it, he feels it

[@spelaeologus]

@@GQMofo NOPE -- check your facts!

[@spelaeologus]

@@miraak8523 Never said that -- his undergraduate transcripts and professional history are public -- he's no more an expert on this than Miley Cyrus.

[@alukuhito]

I shook his hand at my university grad ceremony in which he was given an honourary degree back in early 1998, just a few months after Titanic was released and he was the king of the world.

[@mikearisbrocken8507]

As an engineer, I’m surprised how knowledgeable he is. Very good explanations of materials, safety protocols and why is STUPID to put a sensor to tell you you are about to die instead of ensuring you will not previously.

[@jyskib]

He is an engineer

[@michaelmcchesney6904]

Classic

[@mikearisbrocken8507]

@@jyskib I didn’t know, cool!

[@crazyfiliponomonkey1277]

he also majored in physics but only for a year

[@Asdfghjklsemicolon]

And he’s been on upwards of 30 deep sea dives and created a documentary about deep sea diving. I’ve been waiting to hear from him and really glad he finally spoke out.

[@Aiphiae]

Dude goes back and forth from a top-tier Hollywood director who changed the face of film to deep sea explorer and engineer who achieved a world first in exploration - and he's an expert in *both* fields. Unreal.

[@joeltorres2255]

He knows his shit like an engineer he went down several times. It's amazing my respect to this man.

[@CraigMcfly1985]

Dude is a legend and don't forget T2 which is still watchable.

[@markv1274]

Cameron's films just make money. He targets the lowest common denominator--plus he's a full-of-shit hypocrite. Threw a fit over Sigourney Weaver stripping to her underwear in ALIEN, yet had Kate Winslet drop her threads in TITANIC. Additionally, Cameron wallows in gratuitous violence. Mister Female Empowerment--but he sure loves to see women shot in the back. James 'I Understand Women' Cameron--who is on his fifth marriage. I could name many directors with less publicity who have done better stuff. The problem is that far too many people impress easily. Oh, and there have been *plenty* of directors who had secondary (and even tertiary) hobbies. It's not as if Cameron is the only director who does something other than directing.

[@Sheashea0312]

Yea sir wq I was 😊

[@danielgregg2530]

Ah, no. I am an engineer who has done specification of materials for deep diving submarines. I even qualified in submarines in the U.S. Navy. I am the kind of professional this Mister Moneybags here hires and then he tries to pretend like he knows my job. He most certainly DOES NOT sound like an expert to someone who actually is one. He sounds like a phony-baloney wannabe trying to fake it above his actual pay grade (and being obscenely rich, he probably believes he has every right to engage in such fraud).

[@troubledsole9104]

Hubris is the word. The people behind the Titan learned nothing from the people behind the Titanic, and now five more victims share the same graveyard.

[@eithnemelee2997]

As an engineer I’m just as impressed with Cameron’s level of technical knowledge as I am disgusted with the blatant negligence that seems to have been involved with the design of the sub.

[@klaus2913]

Indeed. I followed Industrial Sciences until I was about 18 years old, so I am not an engineer, but I definitely concur. The amount of errors that they have made are absolutely atrocious. It is not hard to see that their design would lead to failure and you definitely do not need to be an engineer to see that. A logical brain in the team would have been useful for sure..

[@MicklowFilms]

@@klaus2913That ridiculous CEO obviously didn’t care to take safety very seriously and it’s tragic he brought along paying customers into his poorly designed, experimental death trap…

[@aditideshpande3050]

he's an engineer and has designed subs himself :)

[@jonothandoeser]

Submersible.

[@SagarKumar-zl6bb]

Maybe you should have been contacted.

[@amandafranklin7519]

Mind blown that James Cameron is so knowledgeable with physics and engineering and yet has directed one of the most critically acclaimed films amongst other successful films. Multifaceted

[@cilkandmookies]

Film making is a super technical craft, especially when you creates films at a large scale utilising the kind of technology that he employs. It is rare that someone is so technical and also really creative.

[@WaniZame]

Dude and his staff engineered the revolutionary camera tech used in avatar which is now used all over the place. He’s a polymath and innovator (he is who Stockton Rush was pretending to be) but does have a fat ego.

[@Bfrd25]

When you have insane wealth it offers you the time to become expert in just about anything you want

[@BiggNewt]

There's a reason all of his films are technical marvels and take years and years to release.

[@Tyrfingr]

Didn't he come from a background in the science of physics ? if i recall right.

[@sslavi]

As an aerospace engineer, I am quite impressed by the general engineering knowledge Mr. Cameron has shown in this interview. Very correctly and neatly explained for everyone.

[@danielgregg2530]

Then you'd better stick to airplanes. I am an engineer who has done specification of materials for deep diving submarines. I even qualified in submarines in the U.S. Navy. I am the kind of professional this Mister Moneybags here hires and then he tries to pretend like he knows my job. He most certainly DOES NOT sound like an expert to someone who actually is one. He sounds like a phony-baloney wannabe trying to fake it above his actual pay grade (and being obscenely rich, he probably believes he has every right to engage in such fraud).

[@captainrex4723]

@@danielgregg2530he has to dumb down his talking for a tv audience, the interviewer was clearly out of his depth with some of the questions as well. Also did you not see the one man sub footage from challenger deep? I have no doubt he completely understands the inner workings of that submersible.

[@whipit2404]

@@danielgregg2530 Are you talking about Cameron? You are incredibly dumb...

[@garydunken7934]

My goodness... the level of knowledge that Mr Cameron demonstrated in this short video was amazing. Why did we not see him more on TV or new channels more often? He seemed like a good assessor, probably even worth getting him for certification assessment for any submersibles.

[@misst642]

He’s got amazing documentaries out, including Deepsea challenger on Amazon

[@danielgregg2530]

Ah, no. I am an engineer who has done specification of materials for deep diving submarines. I even qualified in submarines in the U.S. Navy. I am the kind of professional this Mister Moneybags here hires and then he tries to pretend like he knows my job. He most certainly DOES NOT sound like an expert to someone who actually is one. He sounds like a phony-baloney wannabe trying to fake it above his actual pay grade (and being obscenely rich, he probably believes he has every right to engage in such fraud). Moreover, eventually I left that all behind to become a lawyer, handling technical cases, and there is probably no court in the United States that would find him qualified to testify as an expert witness on any subject outside of cheesy movie making. If any court were so mistaken as to allow it, genuinely competent experts could readily rip him to shreds. As a lawyer, I find myself salivating at the thought of having him under cross-examination for only five minutes. It would be delicious.

[@nicholassansouci2840]

@@danielgregg2530lol wow dude get a room for yourself and bottle of cheap holiday inn lotion, Jesus Christ.

[@ryans413]

What I like about Cameron is he listens to people when they talk and gives them the answers there looking for. He even goes beyond and goes into detail. I could listen to Cameron talk for hours

[@thethirdrichard7787]

If you havent yet go watch his two titanic filmmaking documentaries. He did one special revisiting the breakup and sinking model of the ship, and meets family members of survivors and then another one solving the mystery of jack and rose trying to balance on the debris from the ship in the movie. Its incredible shows to see engineers and Cameron and other experts discuss how to figure out what happened to Titanic.

[@icytimboslyce7939]

He ate a baby for clarity this morning is all

[@MrBigGun100]

@@icytimboslyce7939 weirdo

[@musicalwheels]

@@thethirdrichard7787 are those on youtube

[@ryans413]

@@thethirdrichard7787 I’ve seen all of them he did something recent too where he tried to launch a Titanic lifeboat and said it was incredibly hard and gave the crew of Titanic props for doing what they did. He wanted to see how long it took to launch one boat and see if Titanic had enough life boats could they have saved everyone. They calculated that Titanic would need 35 life boats filled with max 65 people. 35x65 is roughly 2200. To do this In 2 hours and 40 minutes they would have to get everyone in the life boats in under 5 minutes and to pull it off they have to launch each boat right after the ice berg collision not and hour later like they did in real life. Cameron said it wasn’t possible because it took almost 5 minutes just to prepare the life boat.

[@HeatherSommers]

So many people don’t realize how experienced James Cameron is in this department just because he happens to direct movies (to fund his ocean exploration). The man is an actual ocean explorer/professional and he has done a lot for the Titanic and deep sea research community. Hearing his thoughts on this is very appreciated and he’s speaking a lot of hard truths. This whole thing sounds like it could have been very preventable if the CEO had heeded the warnings and it’s just tragic.

[@michaeljays4157]

I came here to say this. I am an ex submariner and James Cameron has done a tremendous amount of work in this area. Design building, training at deptch. He knows the subject matter better than a lot of the experts i saw on the News media.

[@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked]

:3 Fellow vegan brother, James Cameron!

[@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked]

​@@michaeljays4157

[@GOD999MODE]

It's like you think you are saying something profound, but it's the most obvious statement.

[@AhhsvsvHhehe]

​@@GOD999MODEYour comment is literally the same thing...just like comment will be seen the same way.

[@clintoruss153]

Stockton rush : " Safety is just pure waste " actual quote .

[@danielgregg2530]

He was so dangerous he should have been jailed prophylactically.

[@CrystaliaV]

He is incredibly competent. What a man.

[@danielgregg2530]

Ah, no. I am an engineer who has done specification of materials for deep diving submarines. I even qualified in submarines in the U.S. Navy. I am the kind of professional this Mister Moneybags here hires and then he tries to pretend like he knows my job. He most certainly DOES NOT sound like an expert to someone who actually is one. He sounds like a phony-baloney wannabe trying to fake it above his actual pay grade (and being obscenely rich, he probably believes he has every right to engage in such fraud). Moreover, eventually I left that all behind to become a lawyer, handling technical cases, and there is probably no court in the United States that would find him qualified to testify as an expert witness on any subject outside of cheesy movie making. If any court were so mistaken as to allow it, genuinely competent experts could readily rip him to shreds. As a lawyer, I find myself salivating at the thought of having him under cross-examination for only five minutes. It would be delicious.

[@CrystaliaV]

@@danielgregg2530 hmmm. Ok 🤷

[@FatherManus]

@@danielgregg2530James Cameron has gone deeper than almost anyone else alive. You are a no name YT commenter that hasn’t done anything half as impressive as Cameron even if your story isn’t a lie. I’m taking his word over yours any day of the week.

[@cutiepie5884]

My respect for this man just went up to the highest level possible. No judgment or condescension in his words or tone. Very knowledgeable, calm and empathetic. Now I know why everyone admires him.

[@carpenter3069]

It's too bad James Cameron couldn't have followed up Avatar with a decent sequel.

[@lilscottieme]

@@carpenter3069oh someone who can’t sense the tone of room and says something totally irrelevant 🙄

[@MrSupahLMFAO]

@@carpenter3069 is that why Avatar 2 has one of the highest box office in movie histories?

[@eriknephrongfr8847]

@@lilscottieme Nah, I agree with @carpenter.

[@lilscottieme]

@@eriknephrongfr8847 good for you maybe you two can get a hotel room and discuss it more 👍🏻

[@blakesmith5198]

I had a friend who worked on a James Cameron film in the camera department. He told me "James knew how to do my job better than I did...and that was true for every position on the crew." He is a brilliant individual - as this interview highlights.

[@vic918]

it’s so nice to see someone with such a passion for everything he does.

[@vaneepham5847]

Couldn't agree more with this comment

[@TenmaStupidity]

So James Cameron should be Designing Space ships to get to Mars yes? He knows everything right? Odd he isn't Beating Space X to Mars......

[@qwertyboo]

@@TenmaStupidity If Space was his passion he could dedicate himself to it. But he's more passionate about the sea and making movies. Why do you sound so bitter?

[@ovelmo]

@@TenmaStupidity uhhh he isn't beating space x to mars because he's not trying to beat space x to mars. you went from james cameron knowing everything about filmmaking, to james cameron knowing everything about everything lmao

[@John-zn4lp]

To say they may have heard the hull failing brings tears to my eyes, because I know how horrified I would feel if I was in that chamber under water with no hope of being able to get back to the surface in time. I'm sure they felt no pain due to how fast the implosion would be once the hull gave way, but the seconds before that I would just close my eyes and pray that God forgives me for all my indiscretions.

[@MelkofficialYT]

😢😢😢😢😢

[@stanislouse4168]

Baloney. They drown.

[@elitegamer8351]

@@stanislouse4168 too dense to understand implosion?

[@plaguedoctor5657]

@@stanislouse4168ehhhh noooo. You know when you bend over and hang your head down??? You feel all that pressure??? Just imagine that but way worse and being crushed on top of it

[@goingpostal5858]

​@@stanislouse4168They were hit with a wall of water at 370 atmospheres of pressure and you think they drowned ?

[@deborahdavis8264]

How humble he is... an example....and extraordinary human being.

[@randyevermore9323]

I'm not much of a movie buff, but I must tip my hat to James Cameron and his ability to communicate such a technical issue with such clarity. This is by far the most informative interview I've seen about this tragedy. Ten minutes well spent.

[@jasperjenkins7729]

my thoughts EXACTLY

[@judithchristiansonneegrimm1857]

Same. This interview surprised me, I’ve never seen him talking about what is clearly his passion. It sounds like he has spent many years self educating in this niche of deep water/ deep pressure submersibles. Just knowing the pros and cons of carbon fiber in bicycles - I see what he’s talking about how different carbon fiber composite acts vs. contiguous materials like titanium, steel etc. The physics are very different, so even in a mountain bike carbon fiber is “better suited “ to some parts vs. others - and apparently external pressures and carbon fiber is a dicy proposition.😢

[@inigobantok1579]

He's an ocean and deep sea diver who makes movies to fund his exploration

[@qwmx]

​@@inigobantok1579Explains Avatar: World of Water.

[@techguydilan]

He actually helped some on the discovery of the Titanic, if I remember correctly. That's why I think the Titanic movie was good. Not only did it have a decent love story, the details of the ships sinking was accurate to how it was understood at the time. Even though it changed a bit, James Cameron did a correction video of the Titanic's sinking to show how he'd do it if he were to make a new Titanic movie.

[@guslaskaris5333]

This was a remarkable interview. Cooper asked legitimate questions and James Cameron answered them completely and succinctly. I'm an engineer but I think he explained the problems with the submarine in a way that any intelligent interested non-engineer could understand. I've alway liked his movies but I have a new respect for him.

[@armondtanz]

They need to change the thumbnail. Theyve made him look like emperor ming.

[@JKISOK1]

Totally agree with you.

[@lisasmith767]

True. I’ve seen many interviews and this was by far and away the best one and with the right guy I might add.

[@hairywelder5188]

I totally agree, he looks like Ming

[@Overcaffenated]

Well he wasn't talking about politics, so...

[@TexasCat99]

Its amazing that the guy, Rush would do this. The weakness was obvious. Cameron explained it in a minute. Carbon Fiber has its uses, but not for deep diving. The biggest parts they found of the Titan are the two titanium ends. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what part failed, even if it was the under-rated glass window. All DSV submersibles have a common design, a personal sphere that holds 1~3 people. The O2 and systems are INSIDE the sphere. With the titan, it looks like it might of been the opposite. They were very proud of their ONE button (ON/OFF switch?) and 1-2 touch screens and a couple of $30 game controllers for 2010. That's everything wrong in design, and that's also what we see in SpaceX and their crew capsules. Designed for looks before function. Amazingly, the Titan lasted as long as it did. It could have failed any number of times before with anything below a few hundred meters would have meant death for the people inside. Also amazing that a billionaire would BE SO CHEAP in making his own vehicle that he himself would be in. "I have a huge bank account. But you know what, I'd rather spend $50 for a component rather than $500. I'm too cheap to spend $25,000 for a new blackbox or $3000 for a used on - "just in case.". The design was to fail, with Rush and his company lying to themselves and their customers about the design defects. When they LIED about "NASA is involved" with their sub, that's a huge red flag.

[@JoseContreras-fy7lb]

Words of wisdom from someone who has "been there, done that" the Titanic and Challenger deep. Condolences and prayers to the families of those who perished on the Titan.

[@danielgregg2530]

Ah, no. I am an engineer who has done specification of materials for deep diving submarines. I even qualified in submarines in the U.S. Navy. I am the kind of professional this Mister Moneybags here hires and then he tries to pretend like he knows my job. He most certainly DOES NOT sound like an expert to someone who actually is one. He sounds like a phony-baloney wannabe trying to fake it above his actual pay grade (and being obscenely rich, he probably believes he has every right to engage in such fraud). Moreover, eventually I left that all behind to become a lawyer, handling technical cases, and there is probably no court in the United States that would find him qualified to testify as an expert witness on any subject outside of cheesy movie making. If any court were so mistaken as to allow it, genuinely competent experts could readily rip him to shreds. As a lawyer, I find myself salivating at the thought of having him under cross-examination for only five minutes. It would be delicious.

[@bigjmd4242]

Listening to him speak reminds me of how my attending surgeons spoke during residency training. Intelligent, no-nonsense, straight forward logic. Lives are at stake, take no risks, no shortcuts, and always be prepared for the worst.

[@tarmbruster1]

Nicely put. Never leave anything to chance, follow industry standards or better.

[@blaze2001]

Right he was like they been dead since Monday but I guess the media has to give us hope. But in my mind I figured they were dead.

[@Encantado215]

you worship him

[@blackwater7183]

@@Encantado215 He loves him.

[@DJ-xo4jg]

Oh please.. don't make me vomit. This dude is a worm.

[@Inktomei]

I've known James Cameron as a master director/producer, but I'm completely floored by the level of his knowledge in engineering and material science. It shows in his dedication to learn and understand every facet and detail of the things he did. What a guy.

[@marcosbatista1029]

He is engineer

[@Inktomei]

@@marcosbatista1029 I read that he studied Physics and English in college, not engineering. He never practiced as an engineer before going into filmmaking. But if you mean he thinks and studies like an engineer? Absolutely!!

[@mikedion8794]

Me too, when I first saw he was commenting , I thought what does a movie producer know about? It's like " I'm not a doctor but, I played one once" Boy, was I wrong he knows plenty.

[@lsrose]

I’m so impressed. James Cameron is not just a Hollywood player. He is phenomenal in explaining what may have happened. I didn’t know he was an experienced deep sea diver. I wish the Titan owner had listened to him.

[@Maspets]

@@Inktomei Didn't he drop out of college?

[@tdbarton7712]

To Mr. Cameron's credit, though he knew what he knew, he kept his thoughts on this tragedy close to his chest until the ship's loss was 100% confirmed.

[@janetdelarosa2472]

I have so much respect for James Cameron. His method of explanation is very clear and simole so that we can all understand.

[@thamomentum]

As a mechanical engineer - I have so much respect for James. He really has done his due diligence in research and it is commendable.

[@ADM-wt9cn]

It still doesn't make sense though... James said through the sub communities, forums, and reddit threads they knew a carbon composite material was extremely risky... And will fail eventually. So why use that material at all in the first place?

[@nananichole]

@@ADM-wt9cnprobably cheaper. The CEO literally used stuff from generic stores for materials. He made multiple bad decisions and now unfortunately others lost their lives. So sad

[@ADM-wt9cn]

@@nananichole Wow I did read that too WILD.... For such extreme conditions the thought of using anything but the best of the best materials baffles me.. RIP regardless though. Horrible ending.

[@User-rf3iq]

@@ADM-wt9cn For precisely that reason .He wanted to prove them wrong.

[@Ortzmet]

He should go back to college and finish. He dropped out. He is no scientist or doctor. I don't know why they are bringing him to comment. Get someone who at least completed a bachelor's degree.

[@jacquelinelugo5518]

The fact that even James own Submersible Took 7 years, Dozens of test, and him being there every step of the way, and getting every detail he could to near perfection. Tells us, He completely understands the risk, Knows not to cut corners, and test out everything as much as possible. The fact the CEO was warned multiple times, cut corners, and wouldn't get it certified tells us. He didn't care and just wanted things his way. This could have been avoided, if he just tried not to have his Ego boosted.

[@nina2222]

Exactly

[@trolleriffic]

Cameron's submersible was also a one-man vessel. It couldn't carry passengers and he wouldn't allow anyone to put themselves in danger other than himself or the chief design engineer who both knew every detail of the vessel and the risks involved.

[@spookshow6999]

They refused to certify it. They told him they would not certify it. He lied.

[@StephSancia]

I expect the very same was said with Titanic in 1912 !

[@jamesresendiz5018]

greed

[@potterj09]

I love how Cameron essentially picks up a trade with masters-level knowledge as he goes through life. A true auto-didact and scholar.

[@markv1274]

Pity that doesn't translate to happy marriages. Cameron has yet to master the most important skill: how to be a decent fucking human being. If you're in the dark about Cameron's reputation for being a prick, pull your head from the sand.

[@TEZRA_]

James truly understands the risk and reward aspect. This combined with consideration and intelligence makes him one of a kind. I would imagine the last idea he would have is to commercialize such a dangerous endeavor.

[@Historymaker-xw9wf]

James is known to be very demanding and exact in his films. This is partly exhibited in the almost obsessive attention to detail in Titanic and the Avatar movies. That said, he's also not willing to ask someone to do something that he himself wouldn't be willing to do.

[@yeahdefinitely6607]

James is being brutally honest, but speaks with real knowledge and experience - which is exactly the sort of rigour this industry needs and probably what Ocean Gate didn’t want to hear

[@BuckyOhYeah]

Sadly from the emails released, the CEO was very much the 'didn't want to hear' kind of person - quote: "We have heard the baseless cries of 'you are going to kill someone' way too often"... Extremely unfortunate for the others aboard.

[@TKUltra971]

That's what i want to hear when dealing with serious life threading stuff. Direct, honest, and brutally to the point. "You're going to die down there.." That's a big NOPE from me then! Thanks Mr Cameron!

[@BoxCoverArt]

Yes, we need more celebrity opinions on dangerous expeditions. What a fucking choad.

[@BuckyOhYeah]

@@BoxCoverArt so, you're not able to separate the director from the explorer? I get it. It's so disparate! However, he's done more exploration than directing... regardless, feel free to disagree, but don't do so without reason or facts pls

[@charlesjohnson154]

Not listening is what resulted in the loss of life in which the bodies will not be recovered! A hard head makes a soft behind!

[@gusvalour]

James is a prime example that one can be from a non-scientific background but take it upon himself to be a subject matter expert by learning.

[@NocnaGlizda]

If you are interested in something and read about it, increase your knowledge of the subject and test theories and theses, do experiments, exchange information with others, confirm information and check sources then you don't need any studies or need to be a scientist to be an expert in something. Studies are needed to get a paper to be employed somewhere.

[@blackcatpgh13]

@@NocnaGlizda not being a d!ck, but what you described falls under "study." You are correct, though - you can do all that and not pay for it for a piece of paper to prove that you are worthy of a paycheck. I have a non-paying hobby that can be dangerous, but I've read many books on the subject, participated in forums where experts hang out and pass on their knowledge, and read as much online as I could possibly find before even going hands on. Work smart, learn from others' mistakes, and LISTEN to people that know more than you do - that's my takeaway.

[@muratigentijan8911]

@@blackcatpgh13 while u are right most of study fields are utter garbage nowdays, its systematic teaching for passing the test and exams, while that is still required to know smth it still has many disatvantages like being able to pass by simplu learing stuff on memory instead of understanding it, in fact most of the world works like this, personally i hated this shit, like I WANT TO KNOW WHY I AM LEARNING THIS if the answer is you are going to need it to pass the exam then am out, thats why when you see ppl who are intrested in a topic they always do it as a hobby.

[@hughdismuke4703]

See, another guy with the same praise of Cameron just like everyone else. This whole interview and replicated responses are strange.

[@Marzano15]

@@blackcatpgh13 I think his point was simply to say that calling James Cameron a "non-scientist" is incorrect. He was venturing beyond what was common knowledge or what could be taught in a school or whatever.... so his lack of some kind of formal education on the subject is irrelevant/a contradiction. He was busying "writing the textbook" in a manner of speaking. And I think his comment basicaly was saying that you don't need to be "knighted" with a PHD or whatever by a college to be a scientist, you need only use the scientific method which Cameron did. But I of course understand what the other guy was saying. Cameron didn't start off as some kinda scientist that then ventured deeper into the field. He had a career doing something else which he was well known for and successful at and then became a successful scientist too. Which is exactly right. Cameron is an intelligent badass. It comes across in his scripts. Nobody dumb makes a good movie. Not a truly good movie, at least not as many times as he has. But just one of his good movies are far superior that most. There are exceptions. Dumb people can make good movies... Zack Snyder, for example. He made 2 good movies, but he also didn't write them and basically just copied source material frame by frame. 300 was a comic and The Watchmen was a comic. Smart people can make shitty movies too. But as a general rule it stands ha

[@DharmaDharma11]

Cameron - what a great man. World class filmmaker, pioneer in underwater exploration, sounds like a good engineer and behind the scenes, does lots of philanthropic work.

[@jonesball06]

😂😂😂😂great man?? Cameron stole matrix script from us, usual white washing and covering it up so we can now assume this guy is amazing. Yall make me sick

[@markv1274]

World class filmmaker? Tell me you don't watch a wide array of movies without telling me that you don't watch a wide array of movies. THE TERMINATOR? Go ask yourself why Harlan Ellison had a credit at the end of the movie. TERMINATOR 2? A sequel to a movie that in turn was somebody else's idea (see above). ALIENS? A sequel to someone else's movie with not much new. TITANIC? People only went to see it so they could see the ship sink. Are these films enjoyable? Yes, but so is PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE. Nobody ever called Ed Wood a world class filmmaker.

[@SeverityOne]

Kudos to the interviewer, who's very good at his job, but my goodness, James Cameron is a very, very clever man. He explains things in clear and simple terms. And then, for a brief moment, you sense the wealth of knowledge that sits behind that.

[@pablodebella7695]

"false hopes that kept getting dangled" he is a craftsman with his words as well, very well said. Also the balls of Cameron to dive alone in a confined space to a depth 3 times that of the Titanic, what an incredible human.

[@Overcaffenated]

Had I not heard it tonight, I would say that's impossible.

[@billymadison8574]

Agreed, he can be a wordsmith* If he employs that skill & remakes Avatar 2, he'll be a legend.

[@Destroyer94100]

James Cameron has a great way of explaining complicated engineering and making it seem easy to understand.

[@quinquiry]

Richard Feynman explained the Challenger disaster in a way the layman as well as the engineer would understand without blackboard and formulae

[@Maspets]

Real experts are so absorbed in their craft they have a hard time explaining to non-experts.

[@robderich8533]

"If you can’t explain it to a six-year-old, then you don’t understand it yourself" - Albert Einstein

[@JonnyBravo-ky2mk]

I would simply have taken a deep breath then Houdini out of the submarine, swim to safety while I held the sub with my other hand.

[@Bonzeaux_Bleuxgrene]

What "complicated engineering" did he explain here?

[@ianbennett6417]

JC is an absolute genius. To be such a brilliant director but have a fantastic insight into matters like this is astonishing

[@danielgregg2530]

Ah, no. He is trying to fake it and failing abjectly. I am an engineer who has done specification of materials for deep diving submarines. I even qualified in submarines in the U.S. Navy. I am the kind of professional this Mister Moneybags here hires and then he tries to pretend like he knows my job. He most certainly DOES NOT sound like an expert to someone who actually is one. He sounds like a phony-baloney wannabe trying to fake it above his actual pay grade (and being obscenely rich, he probably believes he has every right to engage in such fraud). Moreover, eventually I left that all behind to become a lawyer, handling technical cases, and there is probably no court in the United States that would find him qualified to testify as an expert witness on any subject outside of cheesy movie making. If any court were so mistaken as to allow it, genuinely competent experts could readily rip him to shreds. As a lawyer, I find myself salivating at the thought of having him under cross-examination for only five minutes. It would be delicious.

[@smadd3505]

His name is James JAMES cameron the bravest pioneer

[@wancia3547]

James Cameron is so knowledgeable and articulate.

[@MyFriendlyPup]

He is a fraud. Same with Buzz Aldrin

[@Luckyduck82180]

He’s a total badass

[@jetmoon11]

He's good 👍

[@dougs3909]

He went to the bottom of the fucking mariana trench! This is actually in his wheelhouse

[@thejustinjustin1233]

He’s been into submarines and the ocean for a very long time. He’s an expert in the field.

[@sticksman1979]

I can’t believe he went down to the Mariana Trench on his own in a sub he designed himself. Legend.

[@zorilaz]

He didn’t go to Mariana Trench loooool

[@melissayork1024]

@zorilaz yes, he did

[@jukodebu]

he had an engineer that co-designed it he said , that means the engineer did it

[@ALCV11]

@@zorilaz He went to the bottom of Challenger Deep, the absolute deepest known point of the planet.

[@zorilaz]

@@ALCV11 his sub is top class i saw videos of it that thing looks unreal . Like a proper shit. No way that thing implodes

[@pfarabee]

I knew as soon as they said they had released the ballast and started an ascent that their early-warning detection system had successfully indicated that the hull was failing.. AND that what dozens of people outside of their organization as well as people inside their organization had been telling them would happen had also occurred. Namely, it didn't matter one bit that they received an early warning; they were already unavoidably doomed the moment that alarm sounded. It is unsettling to think about the absolute horror that must have been gripping them as they ascended in a sub that was suffering catastrophic failure around them and inevitably approaching that critical tipping point to sudden implosion. Probably very reminiscent of the loss of USS Thresher, and the sounds those submariners must have heard as the hull creaked and groaned from excessive pressure, until something somewhere finally gave way and the entire vessel just went boom.

[@bluerosegirl7471]

What really broke my heart tonite was reading that the 19 year old didn't want to go...he was scared. His aunt said his dad was "obsessed with the Titanic" and he basically went to support him. 😢💔🙏

[@shoutace]

Yea and I’m sure when that thing was about to break apart and they started to hear it like James said at the end of this interview, he had to be looking at his son knowing what was about to happen RIP.

[@maryjanedodo]

Oof!

[@huxdroid]

That is so tragic! May he rest in peace 🙏💕

[@Ania-cd2sh]

I don’t care how bright, smart or interested any 19yr old would be in the titanic I don’t think any of them would want to go down to the bottom of the ocean at that age to explore so I truly believe he did it only for his dad. He definitely trusted his dad, this company, the crew etc and was hoping for the best. Unfortunately his life was taken, I feel so bad for that baby boy!

[@joet7136]

What a terrible twist to this already terrible story.

[@hondarox715]

I’ve watched a lot of interviews on this event and everyone always circles around the questions. I left those videos feeling like I gained no information. James was straight to the point and very informative. Average people with no knowledge of this stuff can actually get an understanding by the way he words and explains things.

[@leninfranco9328]

youre right, especially that moron who was friend of that CEO where he was calling people out for calling his friend irresponsible.

[@shanegagnon3423]

@@leninfranco9328true

[@dahawk8574]

Agreed. Extremely informative. The one other question I would have liked to been covered is WHY anyone would want to use composites for a sub hull. Aircraft make perfect sense. You want them light and strong. With subs, I don't see why any designer would want to make it lighter. Too heavy to lift out of the water when the mission is done? Engineer a stronger crane. The last thing you'd want is to compromise the only space your life is dependent upon.

[@beezilneverleft3176]

I finished watching this feeling like he should be an ocean engineering professor. He is amazing at this; I had no idea!

[@peterdermeter7044]

@@dahawk8574 Price, availability, scalability and ease of construction/logistics. Yes, if all of the above were irrelevant, you would never go for a composite hull, let alone a carbon fibre one. But if they are "good enough" under this pretense, then maybe you would...maybe. Keep in mind that this was an attempt to finance independent (!) basic research with private capital (and despite the obvious oversights and safety concerns regarding this particular endevaour i think that´s a neat thing in general - it´s one way to let the wealthy actually give something back to society without introducing certain moments of conflict of interest and skewing of results). You need to tighten quite a few screws to make that a self-sufficient idea. In this case they overdid it and/or looked at the wrong (despite most obvious) screws in the first place while also throwing out plenty of safety concerns in the name of the stated mission goal and progress. Well, at least they helped to generate valuable data in the process one way or another.

[@JamBreadSpotify]

Cameron is a smart dude but also a brave dude to go 3x deeper than the titanic! Props to him

[@user-ik6ci8qh3j]

James Cameron is simply a genius, he mastered film making without formal education and he did the same with submersible technology

[@Jahmedmansour]

So basically titan ignored all the warnings about their sub design just as titanic ignored all the warnings about the iceberg.

[@maryknight4109]

And it will be chalked up to "human error."

[@AlexPryrodny]

Hubris and arrogance

[@markdowse3572]

A "deep" irony indeed! Well done. 👍 M 🦘🏏😎

[@DC322]

And two former employees who sued the company after they were fired due to safety concerns. Settled out of court.

[@pontificusvascillious5287]

little progress would be made if everyone ADHERED to the currently defined LIMITS of what CAN be ... you have to PUSH beyond what is NOW to find what is possible! so WHO's gonna do that? some people will ...

[@rosskennedy3987]

Stockton Rush was a Snake oil salesman. Let’s discuss this soberly. The ONLY reason Stockton Rush made a carbon fiber hull, knowing the titanium alloy hull was proven, was because it could be larger diameter. That way he could fit more people and make it a viable business venture. It was about the money, nothing more, nothing less. Because researchers and scientists had already established the method needed to be safe. That is why he didn't want SMEs and wanted younger people and didn't want it tested. He didn't want anyone getting in the way of his business hustle. And by calling the passengers crew members he avoided having to get it permitted, by the U.S. Coast Guard, to carry passengers. Greed, Greed, Greed.

[@archstanton2719]

I have no sympathy for stupidity. Luckily no search and rescue crews were harmed looking for these 5 fools.

[@chrisheath2433]

I never thought about it that way, just shows who he was and to bad the people that went down with him didn’t realize that til it was probably to late.

[@jkbzz]

He is on record as saying his longer term vision is to provide this same submarine technology to the oil and gas industry for oil and gas exploration He was indeed a snake oil salesman. He will not be remembered as an explorer of any sort, he will be remembered as a criminal and a murderer.

[@ronblack7870]

maybe but also making it bigger would be more comfortable and not super cramped . it's not all about money.

[@VonJay]

Yeah I really don’t understand how someone of his expertise pretends not to know that sphere’s have the least surface area out of all 3 dimensional shapes. Pressure gets applied equally on all sides. He might as well went down with a glass coffin instead of a rod. There are too many weaknesses in other shapes. It was definitely all about the money.

[@ilona9998]

James Cameron is so involved in that issue!I admire his atitude towards the tragic event,but also his concerns expressed right from the start. A brilliant director and such an emphatic person!❤

[@teopini]

Seeing the transcript of the last messages now, it's impressive how much he got it right. Especially the fact that they could hear the cracking noises.

[@mattgude5810]

Wow! He's a genius and so articulate. He managed to call out Ocean Gate's poor engineering and business practices without being insensitive to the situation! What an inspiring human being..

[@maryjanedodo]

I was wondering why he hadn't been interviewed earlier - I presume it was out of respect for the families who hoped for a miracle

[@kendallevans4079]

"genius"? You're have very low standards for a title like that

[@twistedyogert]

One other guy did try to tell Ocean Gate that their sub was a death trap. He got fired for saying that.

[@johnbrooks756]

If nobody else in the world is capable of building a sub that goes that deep, why would he be obliged to listen to their critique?

[@nivin7360]

"If you want to be safe, stay in bedroom." Stockton Rush.

[@lexbraxman9270]

It's so incredible James went down 3x deeper than the Titanic in a sub manned by himself ! James Cameron is an incredible man outside of filming the biggest movies ever.

[@trolleriffic]

Manned by himself and there was just him onboard. In another interview he said that even if it could have carried a passenger he would never have allowed it because it would have been completely wrong to put their life at risk. He knew the vessel inside and out and could make an informed risk analysis based on the safety of the submersible and the operating procedures.

[@waynefranklin3320]

And co-designed by him.

[@UNSCconnor]

I honestly did not know James Cameron was a deep diver before this incident. Makes much more sense now why his movies are so detailed and accurate.

[@francisnewlandnewland]

Avatar was on tv last night. What a coincidence.

[@taufiqusman6655]

I heard that too. That is Incredible. I am not sure if that is true. If it is true then Mr. James Cameron's Submersible is designed very well. He also mentioned Challenger Deep. We know the Titanic is resting on the upper Slope at about 12865 feet. Then comes the Slope Rise and then the Basin and then the Trenches. Challenger Deep is in the Mariana Trench. The Deepest Point of Earth's Oceans is 35756 feet or 10898 Meters. It is hard to believe that James Cameron made up to this point because the pressure here is about 1050 pounds per square inch. OceanGate Submersible was designed to safely explore to a depth of 12500 to 13000 feet as it was designed for 6000 pounds per square inch of outside pressure. Perhaps once in the Trenches, the Submersible was under some other law of physics or something.

[@hellboundrubber4448]

Former passengers have described hearing cracking sounds while underwater; witnessing incidents of propulsion system failures; and battling a loss of communication mid-dive. David Lochridge, who served as OceanGate's director of marine operations, said he was wrongfully terminated after he questioned the company's refusal to conduct "critical" testing on the Titan. Noting "visible signs of delamination and porosity" on the carbon-fiber hull, which Lochridge said suggested the hull could come apart after repeated dives - as it ultimately did.

[@pakjohn48]

As an engineer I greatly appreciated James Cameron's comments which are the best I've seen on the Titan's failure. Essentially it was a flawed project carried out by an "adventurer", not a responsible qualified professional.

[@jorelldye4346]

Rush was no-doubt a brilliant engineer. But one often neglected component of intelligence is humility. He was a know-it-all and would not heed his peers unless he agreed with them. A wise man will yield to his peers when his peers agree with eachother, even if he himself cannot reproduce their reasoning.

[@makavelismith]

Ya.. As I said in another comment there, the CEO was so derelict in his responsibilities that he essentially committed a murder-suicide.They are some strong words but as you probably know, this was destined to fail. It was only a matter of when not if.

[@ksantecombos7348]

@@jorelldye4346not brilliant enough apparently he killed himself and 4 passengers through negligence

[@MicklowFilms]

To be fair, with the number of dives to the Titanic, there was bound to be an accident at some point, no matter how well built any sub is/was. Just like the Challenger rocket disaster in 1986. Accidents happen. There’s always a chance of death.

[@ksantecombos7348]

@@MicklowFilms no rush built a poorly designed death trap that got weaker each successful dive and never bothered to test it or get it regulated

[@JonSnowsGhost]

James Cameron has been down to the Titanic 33 times. He’s an expert on this topic.

[@classicwhitebread]

Thanks Sherlock

[@JonSnowsGhost]

@@classicwhitebreadEvery morning I wake, I turn to your mom and ask her where did she go wrong with you? 😂

[@nexx456]

33 times ? No way

[@cold_hands]

​@@nexx456they literally say it in the video ☠️

[@DragonHeart613]

@nexx456 He had to make a ton of trips down there when he filmed his famous documentary film Ghosts of The Abyss. There's only so much oxygen that a small sub like the one he regularly traveled in can carry especially for deep sea trips that far.

[@nicksheps1]

James did 36 Titanic trips! Legend. The guy knows what hes talking about

[@danielgregg2530]

Ah, no. I am an engineer who has done specification of materials for deep diving submarines. I even qualified in submarines in the U.S. Navy. I am the kind of professional this Mister Moneybags here hires and then he tries to pretend like he knows my job. He most certainly DOES NOT sound like an expert to someone who actually is one. He sounds like a phony-baloney wannabe trying to fake it above his actual pay grade (and being obscenely rich, he probably believes he has every right to engage in such fraud). Moreover, eventually I left that all behind to become a lawyer, handling technical cases, and there is probably no court in the United States that would find him qualified to testify as an expert witness on any subject outside of cheesy movie making. If any court were so mistaken as to allow it, genuinely competent experts could readily rip him to shreds. As a lawyer, I find myself salivating at the thought of having him under cross-examination for only five minutes. It would be delicious.

[@AUGUSTALLEN28]

This interview was excellent. I learned so much just by watching this video. Thank you James Cameron for informing us all.

[@matta.5363]

Cameron has given the absolute best explanation/perspective of how the tragedy happened. So many more facts that he has revealed, which were not in the original news reports. Obviously, the Titan was nowhere near being safe enough to carry humans to those depths. I also respect that Cameron did not go public with what he knew before the search had concluded. It was the proper thing to do.

[@skinfan2806]

Yeah well said, he explained the reason for the tragedy perfectly and he did the honorable thing not going public with it during the search even though he was confident about what happened.

[@mariusraducan1348]

he could go public before the icident, but he didn't.

[@pickle_soup160]

@@RodSerling7I have a rowing machine at home. Do I qualify?

[@trolleriffic]

@@mariusraducan1348 He spoke out to prevent another similar design being used some years before but had nothing to do with OceanGate and didnt know the details of what they were doing. It's not his responsibility in the slightest and it wouldn't have made any difference because other people said the same thing to Stockton Rush and he ignored them. His own engineer said it wasn't safe and Rush fired him. This disaster is 100% the responsibility of Stockton Rush and his criminal negligence and disregard for human life.

[@Giovanniko1]

Cameron doesn't have a clue. Talk to an engineer that works in a research lab...not a movie director...he's another narcissist like Mush Rusk and whoever you want to cuddle up to

[@juanesteban8827]

This was hands down the best interview/ segment I've seen since this whole thing began. It was obvious Mr. Cameron knows what he is talking about and he did not sugar coat things.

[@peris_arts_film9699]

A former navy sub captain also was interviewed and he was very blunt about it. The news anchor had asked if there were efforts to recover the bodies. The captain said that was a pointless endeavor as there wouldn’t be much left. The human body can’t survive the instant 400x normal pressure. Not a pretty thought

[@MFK1967]

This is why the so-called mainstream media is far superior to all those Podcasters and KZbinrs, who have no idea what they’re talking about… Real journalist, talking to real experts…

[@PhantomFilmAustralia]

The interview of James Cameron on the ABC is way better. Give it a look.

[@jasondrummond9451]

@@peris_arts_film9699 And the bottom feeders would scarf up the result.

[@carpenter3069]

It's too bad James Cameron couldn't have followed up Avatar with a decent sequel.

[@JustCallMeKopi]

Titanic and deep sea is something James Cameron is a real expert on. They should have just asked him to help with the project.

[@madhatten00]

they did, he said the project is trash but the ceo didnt listen the ceo clearly didnt have james cameron money to make a deepsea challenger

[@danielgregg2530]

Ah, no. I am an engineer who has done specification of materials for deep diving submarines. I even qualified in submarines in the U.S. Navy. I am the kind of professional this Mister Moneybags here hires and then he tries to pretend like he knows my job. He most certainly DOES NOT sound like an expert to someone who actually is one. He sounds like a phony-baloney wannabe trying to fake it above his actual pay grade (and being obscenely rich, he probably believes he has every right to engage in such fraud). Moreover, eventually I left that all behind to become a lawyer, handling technical cases, and there is probably no court in the United States that would find him qualified to testify as an expert witness on any subject outside of cheesy movie making. If any court were so mistaken as to allow it, genuinely competent experts could readily rip him to shreds. As a lawyer, I find myself salivating at the thought of having him under cross-examination for only five minutes. It would be delicious.

[@JustCallMeKopi]

​@@danielgregg2530 Okay.. During the filming of the Titanic going down to the ship was part of the process. He made the movie The Abyss knowing about the way water pressure works. He broke the record for the deepest solo dive in a submersible vessel. It is a field that he is very capable in. He isn't only a director. I'm sure that since he has recorded a record in a small vessels he is far more qualfied than someone who is mainly experienced with Large Navy vessels.

[@mksandals9572]

Real experts knew damn well that Sub lost signal due to it imploded.

[@terpinkov8770]

Everyone reported that it was standard to lose connection when it dove, that’s why the main ship didn’t make any calls until they didn’t come back 9 hours later

[@razablanco3766]

So did the US navy but theey withheld that info until now

[@telebubba5527]

I'm not an expert, but it was clear even to me. I didn't buy that 'sounds' thing at all. It was all commercial tripe keeping the audience hooked for higher viewer scores and more advertisement income.

[@sunsetcaptiva8573]

But they could never say - "Well we're pretty sure it imploded, and the occupants are deceased...soooo... where not going to bother to search for them..." Everyone had to go through the motions... just in the 1 a trillion chance it did not implode and they were still alive... But you are absolutely, 100 percent correct. They all new it, couldn't really do anything else but to carry on until the 96 hour window expired.

[@rocked30]

Yeah, they put on this dog and pony show which captivated the news audiences while wasting millions of tax payer dollars. Experts knew they were dead.

[@Jocaju3]

I had no idea James Cameron is basically a pro at this. I thought he was called to give his two cents since he created the Titanic movie, little did I know that he's done those kinds of underwater trips multiple times and has his own submersible. Hats off to you JC.

[@porsche911sbs]

he's obsessed with underwater submersibles and has been for decades

[@TharinduYasas]

He did dive to the German battleship Bismarck in 2002, after all. It has sunk much deeper than the Titanic. Basically, he's a pro.

[@kaliss7192]

He's been to the Challenger Deep in his own sub. That's 3 times deeper than the Titanic. He's a vet at this stuff.

[@muadhib001]

@@kaliss7192i knew that but i wasn't aware he was involved in the design and science of it all. What a man

[@tehsin13]

His deepsea challenge doc is free on KZbin.

[@YanusDV]

Common sense and humility goes a long way, and James Cameron is an example of this

[@itsbonkerjojo9028]

Wow this man is such a legend. Absolutely icon in his field as an Director . I don't have to go about the movies and it's place on today's ranking and scenario. Apart from that obvious field what a brave man to dedicate himself that much to experience something like that for the process of making movie . The knowledge he carries that braveness and calmness . Just to listen to him os such a gift . Rip to individuals who perished in rarest way possible.

[@z00mer]

The last line is terrifying to think of. Everyone else has been trying to paint a picture of how it was instant and they felt no pain and while that was true at the moment of implosion there is a very good chance they knew what was going to happen moments before it occurred. CEOs legacy will now forever be how negligence killed 5 people.

[@afauxican_american]

I spent a good amount of my life on submarines, basically all of my 20s and I’m 100% confident they knew the hull was failing before the implosion actually occurred. The carbon fiber would’ve been creaking and cracking loudly, so there’s no way they made it down there and had a sudden failure. They absolutely would’ve known beforehand. Horrific way to die.

[@BanjoPixelSnack]

I feel so awful for that 19 year old kid who was already terrified to be going down there. Wish to god he’d listened to his instincts instead of his father. 😢

[@patrikfloding7985]

@@afauxican_american Yes, as they initiated an emergency ascent. But it might have been just a few seconds. Structures like this will break apart at exponential speed.

[@kelaniadobuye1797]

But how many of the 5 on board knew? Surely the experts like the owner Stockton knew, the moment they dropped the emergency weights. I wonder if he let on to the Dawoods that it was an emergency procedure and that they would be ‘returning to the surface’, knowing truly they were all going to die imminently.

[@moonlady2299]

I felt so bad knowing they dropped the weights they tried to go back up, but it was too late :(

[@jantyszka1036]

I could listen to Cameron talk about this all day. He really puts the technical stuff over so clearly.

[@porsche911sbs]

you might call him a talented storyteller

[@bragee]

He really draws artention to fatigue which is definitely the root cause of this disaster. Carbon composite fatigue delaminations are nasty since they are 100% invisible from outside. I hardly believe that a regular tap test inspection of the whole fuselage was put in place after each dive...

[@jasonbowser5754]

Holy crap. With the leaked transcript, James nailed all of his suspicions.

[@horednaxela6919]

As a former structural engineer I’m very impressed by Cameron’s engineering savvy. Give this man an honorary degree in engineering!

[@tommy.vercetti2003]

He made a sub that went to Mariana trench challenger deep, if that ain’t enough idk what is!!

[@SedriqMiers]

​@@tommy.vercetti2003 06:35 Cameron explains exactly why the composite material used in the external structure degraded over time which resulted in the demise of the crew. To claim he is mad is sophistry and should be considered as trolling.

[@DaveDurbin]

@@SedriqMiers you might need to re-read tommy's comment. He clearly made a spelling mistake, mad was supposed to be made.

[@suntiki33]

@@SedriqMiersyou’re too quick to judge, aren’t ya? He made* a typo. Breathe.

[@PotSmokeGuy]

He has a few honourary degrees for sure, a couple Canadian Universities and an English one...well deserved.

[@elisej4723]

Like others here I’m really impressed with this interview. I know James Cameron has visited the Titanic site many times but I forgot or didn’t know he was such an innovator and expert in this field. Great explanation.

[@bipolarbear9917]

Nothing against James, but it’s his brother Mike who’s the real technical genius. Mike seems to prefer staying in the background though.

[@elevenzoo3783]

He had visited the Titanic sight?? Multiple times?? U mean 12500 feet under the surface of the Atlantic ocean???

[@JustOneRedSoloCup]

@@elevenzoo3783 Cameron made 33 visits to the resting site of the Titanic. In a 2013 marine scientific journal, it was noted that James Cameron is also responsible for discovering four new deep sea species in the deepest seabed of the world.

[@cavifax]

@@elevenzoo3783 Yep, he's even been to the Challenger Deep, located under 35000 ft on the Pacific

[@NoisyMayhemInc]

Check out the Australian 60 minutes segment when they followed him to challenger deep He said if he was in low earth orbit and in trouble he had more chance of surviving until rescue than the depths he was attempting

[@unfa00]

I fully expect someone to make a movie about this incident. Not that I'd want that, I just expect someone will think "that's a nice story we can sell!". I have much respect to mr. James Cameron, and it's refreshing to see someone who is a celebrity but also - an actual expert in the technical aspects of the subjects he's been interviewed about.

[@Nettiebae]

Tragedy aside, James Cameron is the man.

[@monicabrandt6234]

I appreciate his bluntness, no need to sugarcoat the absurdity of this accident. My earnest prayers to the family. Some accidents are completely and totally avoidable. I pray the deaths were quick and no suffering.

[@whiskeywayne91]

Well said.

[@qwertyboo]

Yes it was absurd because it was preventable, it's not like Rush was short of money. He was just trying to be cool and present himself as an innovator

[@_skyyskater]

It’s so refreshing to see someone famous like Cameron being interviewed by mainstream media talking so deeply and technically about a topic he knows well.

[@ronny9407]

He's a movie director..durhh..this is a cheap attempt at staying relavant and to set you up for his new movie titanic 2.0

[@Omgosh98]

@@ronny9407your joking right?

[@boundish1]

​@@Omgosh98if not he's incredibly ignorant.

[@aandreaaaa]

@@ronny9407You are so ignorant 💀 he is one of the worlds best experts on deep sea exploration

[@Max_m]

@@ronny9407oh dude ouch. Feel bad for friends and family, people with idiocy like that can be painful to be around.

[@peytonannett4911]

James Cameron doesn’t do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron IS, James Cameron.

[@GoatGodBaal]

I have always loved James Cameron for his dedication to his craft. I remember learning about how many dives he took to Titanic for the film, and if I recall correctly some of the actual footage in the film was stuff he actually recorded. If there is anyone who knows his facts about going that deep in the ocean, it's Cameron. I'm glad he is speaking out about this in a respectful manner and giving easy to understand facts.

[@Historymaker-xw9wf]

You can actually tell which footage of the real ship was used and which were studio models. Any one where the shot had both subs, or was a bit clearer than the rest is a model. The shots of the real ship have a slight bluish tint and are slightly less clear. But it takes a trained eye to see that.

[@mikesorensen5228]

I think the lesson here is pretty clear. Aerospace engineering is not the same as submersible engineering. While they share core engineering principles, you can't simply take the solutions used in aviation and plop it in the ocean.

[@wolfie54321]

Everything needs to be properly designed and tested regardless of the material. Composites are only used in aerospace after many thousands of hours of calculations, validations, testing, and they undergo a great deal of monitoring once in service. Aerospace uses some of the smallest safety factors of any engineering precisely because they spend so much time trying to understand their loading and the material's response to it. If OceanGate took the same approach, they likely would have spent more time analysing it and discovered their design was not appropriate.

[@cumbaja3456]

@@wolfie54321 The proof is in the pudding. You can analyze and conclude anything on paper but .. Just look at the cars that would be self driving. Not in the real world.

[@mnomadvfx]

@@cumbaja3456 Cars can potentially become self driving. It's only a matter of time and the right solution. It will probably take longer to reach Level 4 than it did for Level 3, but I have no dount it will happen. Especially given the acceleration of research into AI/ML which is in no small part driven by the desire to automate driving going forward.

[@rpinola]

@@mnomadvfx I believe composite parts are not used in fatigue-critical parts in aerospace either. Someone correct if wrong. So this probably was just bad engineering plain and simple.

[@AJ-bi6ns]

@@cumbaja3456Self driving cars exist with a much better safety incident rate than regular cars. What’s your point?

[@zaziou711]

If he only was the man who went the deepest inside our planet, that would be extraordinary enough. But on top of that he's the most successful director in the history of cinema. What a life this man has lived.

[@CindyBarrymore]

Spielberg is the most successful director in the history..

[@Sertifi]

@@CindyBarrymore Depends how you define success. Cameron has made the biggest box office successes in the world for 30 years.

[@jeffreyepsteinseggshapedpe143]

@@CindyBarrymoreSpielberg is a p3dophile though . I feel that negates the vast majority of his so called amazing directorial ability

[@CindyBarrymore]

@@Sertifi And Steven Spielberg is a multibillionaire from filmmaking. Case closed.

[@Sertifi]

@@CindyBarrymore We were talking about directing, and Spielberg made much more from other separate deals and activities. Case closed indeed.

[@jooleebilly]

Cameron isn't just multi-talented, he's also down to earth (or at least he was back around 2006(?) He was at the Oscars and got the same swag bag as everyone else. iPod shuffles came in the bags that year. When his didn't work, he didn't call the "I'm a star" line of have an assistant do it for him. He called our regular helpline himself, and was very courteous to my friend, and happy to follow troubleshooting steps. A very smart guy who's very engaged in whatever he's doing. He's a righteous dude.

[@EliteSnake]

I've grown a new level of respect for James Cameron. This man is extremely knowledgeable not bad for a Truck Drive in his previous career

[@angiedoe597]

Wow… so James Cameron is not just a filmmaker, but also a deep sea explorer, a submarine engineer & an innovator too? Impressive indeed! This explains his fascination with the ocean & water themed movies! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@trappedintimesurroundedbye5477]

who knew all of us that knows about this director

[@slickpeeker]

everybody knows, he's actually more into into deep sea submergence, hollywood is more like a 'hobby' to him. ocean is his living.

[@thomasrudder9639]

That’s what CNN is trying to tell us. Fortunately, for me, I don’t believe a single thing CNN says.

[@wplants9793]

No wonder Avatar was so engaging, he ‘gets’ world creation. He also made an excellent documentary about going down to the deep ocean. And I think he has gone deeper than anyone else ever, 11k feet (or is it meters?). The titanic is only 5k deep.

[@sanvednasharma]

he is such a multitalented hardworking man , I also read somewhere that he drew all the sketches which were shown to be made by jack in titanic , just shows his accumen in vastly different fields !

[@hjk6606]

James Cameron said earlier that he was invited a few times by the owner of OceanGate and Stockton Rush to dive down in the sub with them and he declined each time. Says a lot about what he thought of their entire operation.

[@justinschrank4806]

Cameron has balls on him to go 6+ miles deep alone in the pitch black ocean in a tiny sub.

[@MichaelA_thony]

He is so brilliant. I love how he basically calls out the government for knowing so early and putting on a fake search and rescue. What a waste of time on resources. Did they see a need at first to cover it up?

[@blitzroehre1807]

Cameron described it so well: Laminated wound carbon fibre make excellent vessels to withstand pressure from inside because there is a pulling force on these extremely strong fibres. However pressure from outside of such a vessel is like pushing the ends of a string closer together, the string goes limp. This does not happen with steel or titanium..

[@buckmurdock2500]

tension loading vs compression loading. This has been known since fiber/matrix composite materials were invented. So many engineers along the path of making this vessel happen and not one spoke up? There's a picture of the "tube" on a filament winding machine as it was being made. Did the vendor not offer this is not a good idea for an underwater vessel subject to extremely high compression loads? Or did they simply make the customer sign a hold harmless waiver warning of possible death?

[@ninab.4540]

They've been telling Rush for years, even James himself. This was a long time coming.

[@AORD72]

@@buckmurdock2500 in the picture of it being winded on the metal tube, is the tube kept as part of of the sub? Like ~127mm of carbon then 10mm of titanium thick. If it is, I wonder about the problem of different thermal expansion rates of the materials as well. ~3 meters of carbon vs titanium expanding, what would be the difference over the sub being in 30 degrees on land vs the deep ocean.

[@ilkkak3065]

Carbonfiber is strong but when it gets fatigue it brakes without any warning

[@celderian]

@@AORD72 Nope. The cylinder is straight CFRP. The only metal parts in the pressure vessel were the titanium domes on each ends.

[@javierpatag3609]

Anderson makes a good point. One big difference between Cameron- who gave proper attention to the durability and safety of his own craft- is that when Cameron did his dives, _he didn't take on _*_passengers._* So Stockton Rush not only chose to take big risks with his design, but by inviting tourists onboard, he had them share those risks while they paid him.

[@SuperBullaMan]

OCEAN-GATE was a suicide pact and mission!

[@JesseVenturaHat]

​@@SuperBullaManwait it's starting to make sense. Heaven's Gate OceanGate 😮

[@mencken8]

And they all signed multiple waivers on the dotted line, which clearly stated “death.”

[@javierpatag3609]

@@mencken8 Several times per page according to some reports.

[@matthewpicchu8232]

This whole thing strikes me as an underwater Fyre Festival. A once-in-a-lifetime experience marketed to the wealthy and with an exorbitant price tag, but it’s still run on a shoe-string. I’m no subject matter expert, but $1 million revenue per dive (four paying passengers plus one crew) does not seem like enough to fund this properly, so they cut corners and it all goes to hell.

[@prizzle9234]

Jesus...that last point that he says "I think they probably heard and that's a horrifying prospect"

[@themoviebufferspodcast]

The most brutally honest man that doesn’t mince words.

[@gabox01]

I'm astonished by how well-spoken Cameron is. He is able to explain things to the layman with great clarity.

[@diogeneslantern18]

The mark of a true expert. It was Richard Feynman who said one needs to be able to explain a topic to a child before they can be considered an expert in the field

[@spotlYghtseeker]

I was thinking the same thing. I have heard other experts but none could explain it in such a digestible manner. He’s a great teacher.

[@rickma6363]

He directed one of the greatest movies of all time, True Lies.

[@plamenpenkov2865]

He's been making blockbuster movies for half a century making stupid shit believable for low IQ idiots, you are astonished that he can tell a fact based story in a clear and concise way.....why?

[@ynot7119]

Just like Donald Trump,Rudy G,MT Greene,George Santos and The Pillow Guy.

[@nicolespiteri6273]

James Cameron's explanation helped me immensely to understand what actually happened and why. I am not familiar with submersibles by any means so I thank him for aiding me in comprehending the mechanics and science behind this incredibly sad failure. My heart broke to learn that the 19 year old son was terrified to do the excursion but did it for his dad because it was Father's Day. You don't forget a story like this. With sincere condolences for the lives lost and to the family and friends left behind. May it remind us all how precious life is. Stay safe everyone. ❤

[@wanda01141]

Well said

[@kaityreneetorres]

I had no prior knowledge of the son being terrified, but going ahead with the excursion because he wanted to satiate his father. Oh my God. :(

[@rada9748]

Another family friend says that may not be true. That if the son had expressed concerns, there was no way his dad would not have listened to him and considered his fears.

[@nicolespiteri6273]

@@rada9748Could be. Sad thing is we will never know. ♥️

[@yobiwolrd07]

I feel the same way. I did not understand anything anyone was saying until James Cameron explained it😢

[@johnt8453]

A basic rule of engineering for safety is that you 'over engineer' for the threats you face, you don't do the 'minimum' and you certainly don't do the 'untested'. You don't have to look far however to see where this approach is departed from and the catastrophic impact it has on injuries and survival rates. The next time you get in your car and drive 50 mph down the road just think about that for a second. Nothing in engineering safety has led to more deaths than the poor approach to safety by design taken in the car industry where profit, aesthetics, buyer appeal etc outweigh safety in almost every respect.

[@AndromedaConcepts-pe5tg]

This man got some gutz. Single handedly dived into the challenger deep. I wonder what was going on in his mind while in that dark pit alone.

[@michaelgraber5750]

I have all the respect in the world for James Cameron. He really knows his stuff and is obviously an incredibly brilliant guy. I'm a machinist and so i am familiar with the matetials they are talking about, and he knows more about them than I do. He's obviously spent countless hours working his butt off learning all this stuff from other brilliant minds. Kudos to you sir.

[@Druxkro]

If they actually heard the sub starting to delaminate under the pressure before it imploded, that is truly terrifying.

[@NoraGermain]

I wonder what that last 15 seconds was like… what was said 😷

[@EazyDuz18]

@@NoraGermain 'do you hear something?' followed by BANG

[@NoraGermain]

@ckots460 general purpose “ick” emoji - existed long before covid lol 😂

[@AkaSora96]

@ckots460 are you serious? masks have been used way before covid, its not a covid mask its a mask probably used because thinking about it makes Nora sick

[@larmufc1]

​@@EazyDuz18I think you would hear a cracking sound

[@aeptacon]

I had to pause for a minute because James Cameron gives the viewers so much information necessary to understand and visualize what they are dealing with in just a matter of minutes. Such expertise

[@theperfguy]

The real problem with acoustic detectors in this case was that, once the stress fatigue (or de-lamination) started, the tremendous pressure outside was so much that they didnt have any time to react, the implosion took a few milliseconds. This concept of acoustic detectors was unfortunately completely useless in this case. They should have pressure tested the sub before the dive.

[@MrNictaxlord]

they did. this was to be their 5th trip down. That might have been part of the problem,

[@karenstuart5755]

11:27 pm my question is this you see them mixing adhesive to the ring that attaches to the cylinder, it's mixed in a bucket with no measuring of what ever is supposed to be mixed as I saw no instructions, also what kind of adhesive was it, was it rated for cold temperatures at a crushing ocean depth? Also it was done in an open warehouse invironment some adhhesives require certain conditions such as temperature and humidity when curing, dust dirt hair whatever could fly into the adhesive and compromise its properties , same goes for the hull construction

[@TheKimNeeper]

I do mechanical engineering, and what Mr Cameron said here is what I've been saying for the last couple of days. CFRP tube is amazing in tension (if the pressure comes from the inside), terrible under compression (if the pressure comes from the outside), plus very real issues with how it attached to the titanium end cones.

[@jetuber]

Interesting. What were the attachment issues?

[@TheKimNeeper]

@@jetuber Two different materials with different temperature coefficients, plus any non-solid assembly is a week point - and a cylinder is infinitely weaker than a sphere. A few years ago an earlier version of the Titan made “a lot of noises” when they took it to 4,000 meters outside Hawaii, the now passed CEO said, they tried to fix it but issue still there, lots of cycle fatigue - then they used an aerospace company for the CFRP tube and I guess thought it worked now - but it will never work for this purpose, will delaminate with cycles.

[@jeffs3119]

yup, and the fact that it can be brittle and fractures when broken is not good. I follow enough aviation and motorsports to know what happens to CF. Also, I heard they forgoed doing scans on the hall and used some sort of acoustic method. I've inspected other devices for delamaination in the past and can say it's pain in the ass but neccesarry.

[@Serbian1985]

That fool should have used titanium for hull proven durability. He compared war general to breaking rules in war, to mathematics and engineering no you can break rules when it comes to that

[@TRC_WA]

@@TheKimNeeperThe cycle fatigue he mentioned reminded me of a few airline disasters where the cabin pressure bulkheads were damaged and after xxx amounts of takeoffs/landings resulted in catastrophic decompression and a plane crash. DC-10 in the early years I believe…

[@Judotrip1]

Much respect to James Cameron for a very fascinating and elightening analysis on this tragedy. One of the most intelligent and reasoned takes I've seen so far.

[@ACXIAO666]

The interviewer should have cut James off after 2mins of him speaking Anderson - " yeah thats cute James and all, but can we talk about Terminator 2 now ? James - " Sure we had to cast the T1000 almost before anyone else because of the time it took back then to create CGI some of the effects in the film when he walks through the bars at the hospital was actually done in mid 1990 way before we even finished shooting the entire film in 1991 etc. etc.

[@electricdreamer]

He's an expert in this field. Designed a sub and went to the Mariana Trench with it. If anyone who's qualified to give us some expert angle on this, it's him.

[@IvorGrumble]

@@ACXIAO666 lol

[@Maspets]

@@electricdreamer *He's the most qualified out of the list of celebrities that you are aware of.

[@Maspets]

Judotrip1 Or maybe he waters it down enough for certain slow people to understand.