Cocky Online Poker Player Gets Owned (MUST SEE!!)

[@BlackRain79Poker]

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[@kevinbayart5451]

Chat actually often offered me free cards or cheap showdown, especially when you tell vilain his exact hand. Freezes vilain "NEGREANU style"

[@marksimpson2321]

I generally classify most players as weak if they comment at all on winrates, being sucked out on, variance, riggedness, etc etc. No strong player would bother (unless it wasto trick others!)

[@camsnow9822]

Nice one Lars!!! Chat box during hand usually means "I've lost all interest" or "my hand is so good i dont need t pay attention. I love the turn bet. My read watching the vid was "scared QQ or JJ or hes slow playing the nuts." The .60 bet was gonna tell you everything you need to know. I agree that not showing and avoiding the chat box is amost always the best course of action. That being said, this is the 1 time, I show it. Its .02/.05 probably not bluffing often anyway, the players will be mostly bad , so I'm not too worried about someone exploiting me, and think theres a good chance villain has a "hellmuth esque" meltdown and starts tilting off stacks. Thats just my opinion, but awesome read.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Thanks for your thoughts Dale! I agree, scared QQ/JJ or sandbagging the nuts.

[@fundiver198]

Unfortunately showing was not an option, because I always have auto-muck enabled, so my cards were already mucked, when he showed his. I could have told my hand in the chat, but in that case he would not know, if I was telling the truth, and I did not want to get involved in all the chat, that was going on.

[@pokergeniusordonkey6517]

In this exact situation pre-flop, I look at the players C-Bet Percentages, before I decide to set mine. If a player only raises 11% of hands and 3-bets only 1% of hands he should be c-betting almost 100% of the time. If he doesn't c-bet almost 100%, then that means there might be a few times he has AK and he will check it when he doesn't hit, or like this situation he has QQ and he will not c-bet when there is an A or K on board. ALSO (this is the most important) if he doesn't c-bet almost 100%, I know he c-bets only for value, so I know he will c-bet for value when he has AA and KK when I hit my set. Therefore: If my opponent has a, 11% PFR and 1% 3-bet and 80-100% c-bet, I mostly fold 99 pre flop. or 11% PFR and 1% 3-bet and only a 30%-60% c-bet, I mostly call 99 and set mine/play simple poker.

[@orbitaLrecon]

Nice hand! I see these big talkers a lot in low stakes games online. I love playing against them haha.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Haha same.

[@virtualsnake1994]

The best players... of their apartment.

[@franky9658]

Actually until u showed the hand I kinda put him on QQ when he checked and ultimately folded haha

[@gennarovanzetti]

Thanks again Nathan for your work! It is so fun and unique, there is no money who pays it. The "cocky" player "bad reg" believes he is Negreanu himself. Amazing

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Glad my vids help Henrique!

[@ugachaka6144]

Would you have continued with those queens Nathan?

[@vladsavchenko9176]

Generally I don't use the chat box, but it feels like with this type of person showing your cards could've set him on tilt and turned him into a station. Actually there was one time when I played HU SNG versus the same type of guy (who also was going on and on about how good he is while actually being somewhat close to a fish), and after I showed him a bluff a few times, he just started calling me down regardless of bet sizing or board texture. Eventually (after 7 or 8 games) he just started going all-in with every hand (starting stacks are 100bb on the site where I'm playing). Then I ran hot, he lost a few more BI, told me to die and left xD Although I think these spots don't matter in the long run, it's always nice to beat someone like that through a chat.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Hey Vlad, this could be a good spot to show your hand and try to tilt him, I agree. Good point!

[@carlacvekla1444]

As soon as i saw him check back with AK on the flop i thought he probably had queens lol

[@schroederluck7984]

Nathan, I played a very interesting hand the other day. I flopped a set of 8s against 2 opponents, but I ended up feeling the need to fold on the river and I would like your opinion on if I played the hand well. How can I send in a hand for you to review? I have the hand saved on drivehud and can export the text of the hand, but I don't think I can format it like in your videos as you use poker tracker.

[@VaultTecc]

The laydown doesn't seem so bad to me, maybe i am missing something but wouldn't all combinations of broadway pairs value bet that turn after the white flag, exactly how the hero did. Do we call that bet in the villains position? It seems like a pretty stupid call to make tbh, what am i missing? Maybe calling the turn and folding a second strong barrel or calling a small bet on the river is a better course of action?

[@leftisrightNL]

About the "bad reg" thing: I think it depends a lot on what works for you in the long run and how you play postflop. I used to play a very aggressive 15/12 style myself but after I changed and loosened up to 18/12 and try to outplay villains postflop it doubled up my winrate over tens of thousands of hands. Especially at tables where there are a lot of fish it hardly works to use sophisticated plays like 3-betting suited connectors from the small blind because they will call you anyway and then what will you do if you totally miss the flop? From my experience on 10NL cash tables I can say you gotta play your good hands against the bad players and only use a more aggressive style against other regs, but usually better to avoid them.

[@fundiver198]

I agree with that to some extend, but having a 1% 3-bet like this guy is just insane. Even if we take sample size into account and give him credit, that it might actually be 2% or even 3%, he is still never bluffing, and he is only 3-betting the very strongest hands for value. And this is connected to the gap between VPIP and PFR; because a lot of that gap is the hands, he should have 3-bet.

[@leftisrightNL]

@@fundiver198 1% is indeed way too low, but getting tricky at a table full of fish with a 3-bet of say 8% can also be a disaster if they keep calling your c-bets with whatever draw or low pair they have. In my experience bluffing and c-betting works fine against other regs but against fish it's better to have some showdown value. And since PokerStars have now installed a 4-table multitabling CAP on their cash tables the number of fish at the tables has increased so much that in most cases there are just one or two other regs sitting at a 9-max table, which means more 3-betting for value and setmining than before because if they have TPTK you get paid off more frequently.

[@fundiver198]

@@leftisrightNL I am not disagreeing with that. When I consider 3-betting as a bluff, I am looking for opponents, who will fold, and that is typically not going to be fish. Many fish also have a low PFR, because they limp so many hands, so when they finally come in for a raise, we actually need to respect it, unless its a maniac fish like a 63/32. Then we can certainly throw in some more 3-bets, but a linear range might work better than a polarized.

[@marksimpson2321]

I think I agree with you. I play far far more hands post flop to the river and my win rate seems to be much greater than when I 3bet more pre. I'm getting outdrawn more and losing a few bigger pots too than before but why worry about folding out a weak hand pre when you can usually do it 2-3 streets later when the pot is c. 15-30bb not 1.5-4.5bb

[@nyderalin3644]

Great video. What do you think if the board came A24 , would he still fold to a value turn bet

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Thanks Nyder glad you liked this one. Bit different situation but I still might take a stab at it and possibly bluff the river too. People that are distracted by the chat can be outplayed much easier.

[@vlad1mir100here]

BUAGAGAGA! Thanks for both the advice and a funny explanation. I appreciate your work very much.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Glad my videos help Vladimir, thanks for watching!

[@ragnarlodbrok9186]

Rightly or wrongly I've always been pretty active in the chat box, especially if playing four tables or fewer. Never boastful-- just a sociable guy I guess! Most of the regs won't talk to you but if you can somehow tilt them I figure it's +EV long term. Saying "ty" after winning a big pot (especially if you got it in bad and drew out) will usually accomplish this. Conversely, I've found it good to engage in friendly conversation with weaker players because then there's a chance they'll seek out your table in the future. In the past I abused short stacks because I hated playing with them but I have got better at not doing that.

[@fundiver198]

I am somewhere in the middle. I dont do a lot of chatting, but if a rec player say something to me or the table, I usually reply. I don’t think, its very good for online poker, if rec players feel, they are playing against a bunch of robots. Needling can certainly be a viable tactic, but saying "ty" after sucking out is getting kind of old. I typically just ignore such comments, and if I feel, I played the hand well, they do not bother or tilt me.

[@ragnarlodbrok9186]

@@fundiver198 Fully agree with the first statement about recs not wanting to feel as though they're playing robots. You're probably right about ty being old now, too; it was just the first thing that came to mind (I still remember how it got under my skin the first time someone said it to me haha). Ultimately, as you say, genuinely good players aren't affected by table talk and just get upset with themselves if they play misplay their hand.

[@Z3roBl1ss]

Is that turn bet really that smart? It still seems like burning money even if we give villain a larger range than we originally did with his 1% 3bet. Let's say he has AA-JJ, AKx,maybe AQx in his range. His AF of 1 suggests he may check all of those on the flop to get money out of us. We only bluff out JJ and QQ, the rest beats us and is way more likely (more combinations of AK and AQ than pockets). If he hits the flop with a set or an A I don't think him being distracted in chat will count for anything.

[@fundiver198]

Its up for debate of course, but the only hand, I would expect him to trap with, is AA, because it has board lock. AF1 does not mean, that someone is never betting for value, even when they have an extremely strong hand like second set or top two pair. Also if his range is QQ+, which is still pretty close to 1%, then he actually has QQ half the time on this particular board. And often times people hate third pair or worse, so I thought, I could perhaps barrel him off that exact hand. Or maybe JJ, if he was even wider. To be honest its kind of a special situation, that does not come up very often, and I only send the hand to Nathan because of the table talk and the fact, he showed his cards. If you are check-folding in a spot like this, that is certainly not going to be a leak in your game.

[@Realalexandro]

So weird, villain didn't CBET the FLOP IP, while it hits his perceived range so hard, especially cause his 3Bet is so damn narrow and he should expect others to know this fact. It would be enough to CBET just 33% of the pot to Fold all QQ - 88 on such a board. The plus side of such CBET even though he just had third pair would be that even if you get raised or called you can be pretty sure that you're beat now and safely fold or check the turn. So you have good chance to win the pot and pretty safe chance to lay it down for a cheap price cause most of the time caller's range would be capped to AQ+ after that. When you check here you pretty much say either "i'm trapping you with a set of aces or kings" which doesn't make much sense on micro limit or "i have no ace and no king and so i give away the initiative". It seems this villain just plays his cards face-off like "abc" approach with no bluffs whatsoever and only when he hits hard the nuts or close to it. On the other hand it's a kind of a risky move for NL5 and below (because plenty of calling stations reside there) to lead the turn with just a third pair in a 3bet pot especially. I would say most of the time it's like lighting money on fire unless you plan a big bluff on river which is also almost always bad for NL5! So the hero was pretty lucky to get away with it. Anyway when you win i always say (unlike Doug Polk who always sees bad calls or bad raises when people ultimately win the pot :) ) that you were right in this particular spot, so GG, Lars! As for the table talk i like to tease fishes and even some regs right after winning a big pot out of them even if it was a cooler. I say smth. like: "How are you doing bro?" or "Ship it!" or "Why a you playing so weak" and trust me it tillts them like hell! :)))))))))

[@BinarySecond]

Best way to play against a cocky player is to reel them in and stack them. Brain give happy chemical.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

I agree!

[@BinarySecond]

Though I've been stacked more than I have stacked others.

[@McRuffin]

I knew he had QQ

[@postlezone-god5173]

Man thats some crazy ego there in the 5nl microstakes streets- he is bullying the table and folding as a preflop 3 bettor on the turn on a AKxx board - when he has to probably barrel like flop and turn, i dont know what the fuck is this bully reg talking , he has to barrel flop and turn on that board not talking shit :) And honestly i would always call the turn with QQ - Lars is not repping much there - what is he betting the turn with when he calls a 3bet oop - you cant just fold QQ for 1bet on the turn ! Thats the problem with hands like QQ ot JJ in 3bet pots people are just not cbetting on Axx Or Kxx flops wich is a big mistake in my opinion - couse you let yourself to get bluffed in later streets when you show weakness by checking.And showing that he is folding QQ on that board is super fishy - first of all you give free information for everybody/ second - its a super easy fold with 2 over cards / and third he is gonna get barreld like a schoolgirl everytime we play if i see that he is folding QQ for 1 bet in that board :)

[@BlackRain79Poker]

NL5 is serious business these days. Only pros haha.