Focus On What You Can Control [Mentality Practice W/Hungrybox Part 2]

[@Metroyeti17]

Man Hbox's mentality is TRASH online, Im super glad Cody's helping him out. Like he said, I wanna see people beat Hbox because they're straight up better than him, not because he's defeated himself.

[@Killopotamus]

That’s true, but the line is hard to find when your opponents goal is to break you.

[@Saskaruto16]

We just found out his step-dad just died as well so he's likely been sick and that's been a mental toll on Hbox for a while.

[@TocloseamI]

This is honestly showing how much Cody gives a shit about his wins meaning a lot. He wants the most competitive community possible because he wants to be as sick as possible. I'm a fan now

[@Killopotamus]

That’s Goku shit

[@johnnycrash4892]

Cody sicc

[@shawcampbell6326]

This is such great content for a game whose competitive scene is about to burst with new players who are going to feel frustrated, and returning players who were told this was better than net play. You guys are arguing, discussing meta, complimenting gameplay, and HELPING EACH OTHER IMPROVE. You love to see it

[@adamquenano8563]

I’m glad that Hbox is willing to learn it shows, he cares about melee

[@qwertyuiop32935]

The humble exchange of knowledge here is admirable.

[@catchthesefans]

Hbox's stepdad passed away yesterday. Him being sick could be what hbox was talking about when he said he was having a hard time.

[@B463L]

That's so sad, man. Juan's family has gone through a lot.

[@andrewfirth9858]

his mentality is actually so bad jeez worse than i thought

[@Xeme.]

Yeah his mentality is bad. But don't let that make you believe he's a bad person. He's actually a really nice guy. He just needs to gain control of his mind during melee play

[@davidmcfly]

[12:27] HBox: "You're not just any Fox" Cody: "So? When you hit me I'm just another Fox..." [12:43] HBox: "That's a good point!" DAAAAAMN! Deep mentality!

[@John-sl4ov]

Mango said that like 2 years ago on stream and its something I think about every time i play now

[@davidmcfly]

@@John-sl4ov If you could find some clip of vid that'd be awesome!

[@23kl104]

"Even if ppl don't like you, they still don't want to see you playing bad".. yeap

[@B463L]

That line really tugged at my heart strings, man. I wish people told him that back when he was winning.

[@firstlast-wg2on]

I don't really think that's true. People hated him for a variety of reasons and I think that people revel in failures of people they don't like, for whatever reason.

[@Beastmd]

As an hbox fan that’s a blatant lie. People just want another excuse to shit on him and him not being at his normal level gives people another opportunity to hate while having a more “moral” reasoning

[@23kl104]

@@Beastmd I don't know man.. I was never a HBox fan due to his personality. Though, I respect him as a player and love his role in the melee story just the way I love Leffen's obnoxious behavior of trash-talking. I thought the HBox era of constant jiggly-puff wins was looking pretty grim and I wanted someone to dethrone him badly at the time. But not like this.. I would have greatly preferred it if he had been playing good.

[@taylorallred6208]

"When you hit me, I'm just another fox." ... wow. That's one to remember.

[@SufferDYT]

Sort of a retread of a mang0-ism - "I'm still falco"

[@IDeadDanI]

Glad to see Hbox playing friendlies and tryna get back into it

[@Lavkia]

Damn Cody is a great teacher. Being direct and blunt with these critiques without being rude is tough, but he nails it. Hope that Hbox can train his mentality. The people that are accepting online and grinding the hardest on it are def the ones that will stay ahead of the curve once offline comes back. Hopefully Hbox becomes one of them.

[@adamquenano8563]

Imagine if Leffen is willing to train Hbox

[@shignificent]

LMFAO that would be the greatest impossibility

[@mileena2154]

hell no lol leffen still hates him

[@Khadeezy]

hbox is better than leffen so itd be other way around

[@jakesawaguchi4928]

Leffen's uncertain, but I think every other top player is more than willing to

[@TheGavinLaver]

@@Khadeezy arguable leffen had a positive set record on hbox in 2019.

[@23kl104]

It's actually really interesting though. I feel like this is some insight into Hbox's fears, some of the fears of not having earned that recognition, even though he dominated the scene for so long. I hope Hbox rewatches this and realizes how bad his mentality is and learns from it, gets better and starts beating people again.

[@adamquenano8563]

That is so sad that Hbox expects to be hated than liked in Melee

[@turtlechamp8325]

I'm a melee hbox fan, and it always bother me when he says that

[@catchthesefans]

@@turtlechamp8325 cant blame him. as soon as he loses in tournament haters come to his chat to bash him. I get he has melee fans (me included), but the negative people are just louder.

[@turtlechamp8325]

@@catchthesefans yeah it's really sad that's how it works

[@ARMTOAST]

@@catchthesefans as soon as he loses people also gift him literally hundreds of subs

[@renos654]

@@ARMTOAST yeah but that's the minority of people. The majority just spams chat with the OmegaLul emote

[@jungshin87]

IBDW is probably the hungriest right now, reminding me of Leffen on the comeup (Ginger too but IBDW's mentality seems more...extreme). Mango is trying to establish GOAT status (legacy). Zain is trying to maintain King status. HBox is...not sure at this moment but can never count him out. But I think perhaps HBox feels he doesnt "deserve" it right now because he put his foot off the pedal. we all know how intensely concentrated and focused he was when he was trying to be the best.

[@johnnycrash4892]

Are leffen hbox zain cody mango da new gods

[@jmarvins]

clearly from these vids hbox thinks he deserves it and only netplay is holding him back by eating inputs or something (which rollback + polling fix actually does not do...) all hbox needs is an excuse and for once he has one not saying it's good, i want to see him play for real but its clear from these vids he's unwilling to take responsibility for his errors on netplay

[@jojowastaken]

wow i'm so impressed by this. You're amazing for doing this cody

[@daydodog]

this is like therapy

[@ADavidJohnson]

fuck, I do need to go therapy

[@daydodog]

@@ADavidJohnson yeah...

[@Killopotamus]

@@ADavidJohnson same tbqh 😔✊

[@ARMTOAST]

y’all should 100% go, and spend a long time phone screening & looking for a therapist that will work for you

[@B463L]

Props for working this hard with him when he's in such a low place

[@ADavidJohnson]

I love this. Hbox getting trained by a younger rival is like an anime arc.

[@emiliano6585]

-Shut up and hit some more Cody 2020

[@pedlar6839]

Rocky music starts playing

[@justinleung5745]

Wow, this changed how i saw Cody. Mad respect

[@Metroyeti17]

Hbox out here complaining about being down 1 stock to 2 against iBDW in a FRIENDLY, pretending like he wasn't in that position a billion times against Armada at GF Evo 2016....come on homie lmao you're better than this

[@somedudethatdoesthings8057]

We all need reminders once in a while.

[@B463L]

The johns protect your ego, but they don't help you improve Gotta respect him for practicing anyway though. The man is willing to get his ass handed to him, and that's what it takes to get good

[@risersin7957]

@@Parpeing His chat will go one of two ways. Coddle vs Omegalul.

[@risersin7957]

@@Parpeing I think its closer to the mentality of a beaten dog. But he's always had these thoughts even when he was winning.

[@seventhfonist425]

Yo, these mentality practice videos have actually been really inspiring to me, man. I'd support you more if I weren't in debt, but just let me say you're really such an amazing dude with an amazing mindset that I really look up to. HBox's mindset when getting upthrow'd is honestly, so similar to how my mind gets when I end up in a disadvantageous situation, and hearing Cody just telling him to think otherwise is such an eye opener for me.

[@Themonkeymartin]

This is the hypest shit let's go Hbox

[@TheDzPlayer]

Damn it's baffling how shitty Hbox's mentality got with Slippi, considering his skill. He needs to watch some Mang0's stream highlights talking about mentality lmao. Why decide to play online if you are not accepting beforehand that online is inherently different? Covid will be covid, either accept the nature of Slippi, or just quit until Covid's over and fuck around in Ultimate collecting twitch bucks, damn. Johning about netplay coming from top players is straight passive-agressively dissing people like Cody, Mang0, n0ne and Zain who have their mentality locked down when it comes to Slippi.

[@TheDzPlayer]

Also this makes me scared of how good a good mentality Hbox can be lmao Grind on Juan

[@Pi22aPino]

But maybe it’s also just because of his stepdad dying at that time.

[@TheDzPlayer]

@@Pi22aPino Yeah it could be that he's just doing not so well rn. However, if that is the case, I don't think getting coached on mentality is the right move

[@charlesmitchell7864]

"I'm just another fox when you hit me." - now that's a mentality lesson.

[@lambchu6459]

Hboxs redemption arc in full effect. Lets go Hbox!

[@r0yals1n37]

might sound fucking pathetic but watching this made me cry. cody's advice for hbox's mentality is powerful on a different level. its not specific or detailed whatsoever, but its so interpersonal and human to the point where hearing it makes you break down

[@CaptinMcMelee]

Absolutely love this content, thanks for giving up a peek into what it looks like to help someone sharpen their mental game back up.

[@hxcliekomg]

Cody you're doing the lord's work! Helping HBox's attitude helps Melee!! Love you brother!

[@pipo3090]

So awesome to see these two play together.

[@Massamom]

Hopefully Coach Cody helping HBox helps the latter improve his mental game. Hbox definetly beating himself up way too much. Though must be tough for Cody too since it looks like Hbox is at a mental low.

[@JellyBlockLP]

You knew exactly what to say to Hbox, great teaching Cody

[@NintenJoe]

There was a whole character arc in these episodes

[@braxinIV]

“Stop trying to hit me and hit me!” Is what I’m getting from IBDW.

[@Gamesforus1]

I could watch this all day. Hell, iBDW is motivating ME to play lol.

[@MrNapkino]

Same, I love these videos.

[@hotshot15271]

Did it make anyone else a little mad when Hbox said "maybe once I was" in regards to being the best puff in the world or #1 for 3 years? No? Just me?

[@vidalrodriguez2001]

My reaction was more of a shock, but also a bit of a sad “groan” reaction too, hearing him say it was just unexpected :(

[@soren1803]

When all of Reddit/Twitter screams at you that you suck/are carried by puff/etc that’s hard to overcome. It’s just human. It feels like he’s developed a persecution complex, and I can’t really blame him. Nobody else has had a fuckn crab thrown at them out of spite. But I think Cody is really helping. This is what hbox needs I think.

[@hotshot15271]

@@soren1803 Believe me, I get that or at least try to. It bothers me more because of the defeatist mentality Hbox is falling into, something that I struggled a lot with the past few years. It's frustrating and annoying seeing someone who should have confidence in his gameplay be so negative and self-destructive. That's more where I'm coming from, I absolutely agree that what Cody is doing is great and is helping. I saw Hbox playing Zain a few days ago even, which is encouraging as well.

[@Omaga297]

“See I’m dead here, there’s nothing I can do”. Man I hate when people tell me this in friendlies. You know exactly how they feel, but the difference is you took the time to figure out the matchup on your own

[@uznoz4787]

love how he just keep nananana'ing hbox

[@jeffzhang9705]

You’re a king for this Cody. Keep it up.

[@mokoufujiwara6089]

Ngl, Cody would make an amazing Coach and that not just for Melee, in general when it comes to mindset/ mentality related stuff. Just that in Melee he can also help you out with way more then only mentality/ mindset.

[@beanmr9904]

I loved u playing with Hbox, hope he can get back on his feet and these friendlies start becoming a regular thing.

[@drifter402]

Man Hbox seems down about the whole situation. Wishing him the best.

[@crooker23]

yo lets go cody, make this dude play you until hes good again

[@zachcashman7236]

Can’t believe he’s complaining about Slippi after coming from Ultimate online

[@SufferDYT]

Minute timing matters more in melee, it goes to show.

[@daydodog]

He doesn't care about winning ultimate

[@risersin7957]

Ultimate is just fun to him. When he first started getting a lot of viewers for streaming ultimate you could see he was a lot happier. He got so much shit for Melee and he probably expected it in Ultimate but got the exact opposite. So tell me which one you would complain about in that situation.

[@carsonsmelliott]

Damn Cody laying down the hammer LMAO

[@machobsful]

glad to see hbox actually trying again in melee. keep it up both of you

[@ConstructiveCriticHD]

I am Cody, this is how I have to talk to some of my friends 24/7

[@sterling_x9]

Damn shoutout to Cody’s patience with hbox. I would have lost my cool after the 7th if this was on crt John. Know hbox is going through alot rn tho so i get it. Hope hbox can pull himself out of this mental slump.

[@surfyswag]

Really cool session, I wish I could see both sides

[@kendalljackson9326]

Hbox really is a nice guy. If he has a chill mentality like this in a offline major it would be sick to see what happens

[@GalacticFGC]

Ngl Cody your content is fire lmao

[@m0ppu]

Hearing Hbox’s mentality be so openly horrible was actually super interesting; it is weird to hear so many honest-to-goodness johns, though

[@risersin7957]

That's why he benefited so much from a Coach. Hbox has even said Crunch saved his career.

[@fenn2665]

A lot of people could use a strict ass tutor like Cody

[@cyclingtooth]

I never knew this was something I wanted to see

[@KnishG]

hbox redemption arc 2021

[@diangooganid581]

this is huge lets goooooooooooo

[@tombomb2162]

Codys so fuckin abrasive, my god😂

[@filipf-i8692]

i love ibdw now

[@alfredade6389]

What Hbox is going through is similar to Mkleo I think. They were both the undisputed best in their games offline. Then they went online and got beat by people significantly worse than them. Azel and Rat

[@clap5108]

From someone who plays ultimate tournaments everyday, complaining about a poor connection or minimally laggy gameplay is so far from the right approach. You don’t blame the game in ultimate when you mess up. He needs to realize things must change and he’s gotta grind to get better.

[@mattbbw4767]

Does hbox still have stream chat on when he plays tourneys?

[@crooker23]

he had it off for summit

[@sam.lipchutz]

He’s kind of right. I’d much rather see top players beat Hbox than bad players. Same goes for the other top players, I don’t like seeing upsets unless the worse player is actually improving and becoming a top player like Cody has

[@kofe87]

Wait, I thought the emplemon hbox doc said hbox learned how to lose

[@risersin7957]

Learned how to lose before he could win. Learning how to lose again after winning is a different battle.

[@nguyenchi5372]

Honestly I wish hbox would just say: "look, I don't care about competing. I was number 1 for three years and got hated the whole time. Now I'm gone and people want me to be better? Fuck off. I'm gonna make my 15k a month playing ultimate, enjoy my sponsorship money, and stay away until CRT melee is back." Because that's probably the truth.

[@kaska456]

Good video, thanks

[@zygiwong]

cody you are truly taking one for the team lol if i had to listen to hbox john like this i would never ever play with him

[@SRM13]

Just goes to show how broken his mental is, this isn’t the same Hbox at the beginning of the year

[@Saskaruto16]

You, I, and everyone else in chat would kill to play friendlies with Hbox no matter what he was saying.

[@zygiwong]

@@Saskaruto16 you’re probably one of hbox’s younger fans. Unlike you I don’t hold hbox on this pedestal and neither should you he’s just another person and if he’s annoying as shit I don’t wanna be around him

[@Saskaruto16]

@@zygiwong I'm not a younger fan at all. I've been watching Melee for years. Hbox gets way too much shit from this community and it's not right. It's not just hbox any of us would kill to play with any of the top players. Hbox would be one of the more special ones because he's literally been number 1 and is the only top Puff. You may find him "annoying as shit" on stream or whatever but IRL you have no idea.

[@zygiwong]

@@Saskaruto16 you can be a fan of smash for years and still be adolescent. i also agree hbox gets a lot of undeserved shit but dude i cant call out childish johning when i see it? nobody asked you to be an hbox defender lol i also dont hold any top players with that high of a regard. i dont think its healthy to glorify another human being like that. last point, ive met hbox at evo 2017 hes a nice guy. you also dont know the guy personally so it blows my mind you would go to such lengths to defend him, smash turtle lol

[@EFFIGY1]

hungrybox needs to improve his mentality in Melee

[@shield_rat221]

Hbox tilt is legitimately depressing :/

[@rumfordc]

hbox is definitely not being confident enough, however its false to say the difference between online and offline is purely mental. there is a frame-data difference, and that difference should be recognized and accepted for a healthy mentality.

[@risersin7957]

But seeing as he has no choice but to play offline right now he either needs to figure it out or stop. Complaining about it is a problem. He even said in a video once that he would get good at it again. He's starting too, but he was trending the opposite direction after that video for a while.

[@rumfordc]

@@risersin7957 But what constitutes complaining? Is recognizing an objective difference in frame data, and working to compensate for it, complaining? Or is it just being detail-oriented?

[@risersin7957]

@@rumfordc The working to compensate for it is what everyone was wanting to see. Like Mang0 saying he doesn't want to see HBox playing Ultimate when summit is coming up so that he can iron out some of these deficiencies. But instead he's just complaining about the differences. Yes it's different but you're supposed to be figuring it out like everyone else has.

[@rumfordc]

@@risersin7957 well the first step in working to compensate for something is to recognize it first. you have to recognize that online is different before you can work to compensate for online being different.

[@risersin7957]

@@rumfordc And how long is he going to be on stage 1? That's where the expectations and pressure come in that he should be beyond that by now. And what's stopping him? Is it the personal struggles? Is it Ultimate? Is it everyone else getting good? It's probably all of that. . .but it's still only stage 1 he needs to pass it up already.

[@JusticePNW]

HES PLAYING FRIENDLIES

[@artemis-kinkyboikirby5539]

Hbox going for aggressive options more is purely because of Ultimate

[@intothevoid3605]

Doubt. Probably because it’s friendlies.

[@not_emerald]

This is 20XX all over

[@soulofthemedley]

I think that HBox just needs to shut up and play. He’s more of a content creator than a God of Melee right now. Get him out of the content creator mindset and he can shine brighter then Fox.

[@risersin7957]

And that's what's not going to happen. He gets love as a content creator (mostly from the Ultimate crowd) and he gets hate as a God of Melee. At some point it's "grow tougher skin" but also at some point he's just a Melee Sandbag. Even if the community doesn't majority hate him anymore, it's still a meme to be toxic about him. And probably always will be.

[@tedbonnot8910]

the most annoying thing about this is that hbox keeps whining about the netplay, like dude that john stopped working like 5 months ago, get over it.

[@menotyou135]

No Juans

[@ohithur]

Why do they both talk so fast haha

[@greencow4]

Hbox plays ultimate online and he’s complaining about rollback netplay melee??

[@connorfitzpatrick6571]

Does hbox even enjoy playing melee anymore?

[@risersin7957]

That's the reeeeal question. Only a psychiatrist could tell us lol

[@yalebass]

3:29 ;-;

[@zachariahanderson4203]

I don’t like watching hbox, I think his gameplay is boring but I hate to see him like this. I hate to see him lose and go on a hiatus. Like Cody said, no one wants to beat him when he’s at a low point

[@emonsees65]

Why is Cody whining and complaining at a complete legend whos been in the game for over a decade? (No offence to cody) i mean Hbox has been in the game too long he doesnt have to care what ibws thinks or just lacks understanding in and if hes losing motivation like who cares hes allowed to. This mans got an actual life outside of melee and again, if he feels more comfortable with crt vs Netplay then who gives a fuck?😂 i mesn cody wasnt growing up playing on CRTs grinding all the time in person like hbox, Cody probs is comfortble with netplay just like any other doc kid or whatever but to hbox yeah its understandable why it makes a difference like he said just wait till the pandemic ends and lets see lol and yall im not a big hbox fan but i have been in the scene for a long time so seeing this was defiantly agitating lol

[@emonsees65]

@Luxmore Online still isnt as significant as irl and the man doesnt have to be motivated hes doing good in life for a bit with out making melee his main priority lol and when he was the best he still got mad hate damn let the man chill if he wants and im sure once irl tournies comeback he will comeback with more passion to play! online isnt for everyone i grew up playing irl tournies and netplay compared for someone who grew up in the social environment of smash just isnt as fun, fulfilling, or motivating

[@itsyaboi1245]

0/8

[@nicknelsen6897]

Ok I get that Cody is trying to help him, but like.... Can't he be a little nicer? It seems like he just keeps cutting off juan

[@rob1996ization]

It's not about being nice or mean, he's being hard on him and holding him to a high standard

[@Rrisd1]

Can you blame him for cutting Hbox off when all he's doing is complaining? Cody is showing extreme patience for sitting through that and still trying to help

[@soren1803]

I legitimately think this is actually exactly what Hbox needs.