The Slippery Case of The Bain Family Massacre

The Bains were a dysfunctional family with several secrets kept behind closed doors. Then suddenly, on a cold winter’s morning, all but one would be murdered. A myriad of clues would lead officers to two primary suspects… but with sabotage, legal complications and even a house fire adding confusion to this case, no one could agree on who exactly killed the Bains family.
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00:00 Intro
01:20 New Zealand
02:31 The Bain Family... and their issues
07:10 June 20th, 1994
10:44 Further clues... and a fire?
13:20 Replaying the crime
15:42 Trial...
16:44 Release?
19:30 Retrial...
20:49 Aftermath
23:36 Outro
24:19 Eligible?
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[@CoffeehouseCrime]

Hope you folks found this case interesting, and yeah it took me a while to say Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateapokaiwhenuakitanatahu correctly! For those who have rightfully pointed out my chronic problem with using eligible vs. illegible, I totally didn't leave something for you at the end of this video... 😂

[@theresarasche3173]

You said that great...of course I don't know how it's supposed to be said. I do know I wouldn't even try😂

[@okie-kan9240]

Major props for pronouncing that name.

[@nancysantamarialatica1141]

Very sad .

[@nancysantamarialatica1141]

….and WoW what a name .

[@kakarikiIck]

Better than my language skills buddy!

[@youtuber6193]

Family: “we’re worried that someone will burn down our crime scene, I mean house, yes our house” Fire department: “ok, and what would you like us to do about that? Family: “do you think you could maybe burn it down instead?” Fire department: “Yeah, sure thing”. WTF is that?

[@joanneginever1890]

I know right. It is just beyond all logic and rationality. And I cannot believe that he would be legally allowed to do that given it's the scene of a mass murder and the one asking to burn the house down is the main suspect😳 Beyond comprehension. Never heard of anything so ludicrous.

[@TicTac2]

I've never heard of a crime scene being burnt down before by looters/randoms

[@htpcnz7378]

@@joanneginever1890 it was the extended family that asked the house to be burnt down.

[@newbienoob5938]

It's absolutely absurd

[@JustAGirlWhoLovesCats]

I can't believe that he was found not guilty! The father having a motive does not negate the physical evidence against David. I'm completely dumbfounded!

[@MsMaryPatricia]

The inconsistencies in his story and timeline. The blood of his brother on his clothes. Unexplained injuries. No gunshot residue on his father. The angle his father was shot being impossible to be self inflicted. All that and they concluded he was innocent.

[@Rosa-kd2cl]

Really goes to show the influence celebrities can have on cases. 🙄

[@truenokill]

@@Rosa-kd2cl 💯

[@madebywera5048]

I couldn't agree more. For me, all I needed was that 911 call - his weird (fake) cry and how his voice went to cold in a matter of second when he said his last name. That was so chilling. Of course all of the evidence backs this up. And someone should investigate how it was possible to LEGALLY BURN THE CRIME SCENE 17 days after the massacre. This is a crime itself! Such a sad story and definietly justice not serverd!!!

[@JustAGirlWhoLovesCats]

@@madebywera5048 I also noticed the dramatic voice change when he said his last name! Very telling!

[@hightimecrime]

How on earth was he found not guilty? Absolutely insane! Another great video Adrian.

[@jenniferhuff4895]

Right? One of the main things that sticks in my mind is, why allow the house to be burned down if you did not kill your family? The evidence could clear him if he was innocent, but I think David did it.

[@ninedaysjane2466]

Rich, famous guy bankrolled his defense, wrote books about the case.

[@joangrennan886]

And somebody then married him ,unbelievable . But while Robin might be innocent of the actual crime he created a nightmare situation in the family by his neglect of it and left the children to the mother who was far from normal herself .All in all just beyond belief .Thanks to Adrian for presented it in such a clear and.concise way

[@spacecadet35]

"How on earth was he found not guilty?" Well the evidence says that he didn't kill most of them.

[@Mila.08]

​​@@spacecadet35what evidence that you're talking about? When in fact, there were evidences that found with his fingerprints on the shotgun and blood of his family members on his socks.

[@AlishaHerbiederbie]

It makes me happy that you put the effort into saying the names of locations and do so respectfully. Your focus has always been the victims and their stories; and in a world where the villains and monsters get their names immortalized, far more often than those they have hurt, it is truly appreciated.

[@sw8190]

Agree wholeheartedly.

[@preciouscolor_]

This! I always remember how people consider or don’t consider the pronunciations of names especially when making content like this.

[@kimferguson1405]

Yes..I belive David is very much guilty..How in the world he's out..I don't know...But I do know what goes around comes around...May come thru his kids but it will get him ...Terrible system!!

[@CoffeehouseCrime]

Thank you so much! 🙏

[@MF-R]

Well, in all fainess; it'd be polite of people to not name things with 30 syllable words :P

[@iluvbears4861]

His hysteria calmed when he was simply asked his last name like the tone changed and the list of evidence that he didnt bother to clean or hide. Imo he did it 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@alinahamutenya9613]

You nailed it right on the head.

[@renebleu8711]

That part was so weird too.. it’s one of those small things that go unnoticed but speak volumes.. the way he just switch like a light

[@kelseythurman5831]

this he totally did it

[@sirtsupirtsu]

My ear picked this out from that call immediately too. He tried to show his voice hysterical and when asked a simple question of his last name, he just switched and said it so calmly.

[@kanwar23]

Muscle memory

[@Zeepjeliefs]

I really appreciate how you always try your hardest to pronounciate everything right 😊

[@TheDag1321]

I lived with an extended family member of david's and she said that without a doubt, he absolutely did it and the extended family member told me when he stayed with her and her partner he acted very odd and strangely. She told me as well that there were a lot of information left out of the court cases and also a lot of false media representation. She said to me she knows that he did it and he got away with it for many reasons that should not have happened.

[@bretthannan200]

What ever

[@9babyblu]

It's asinine!

[@bushmanphotos]

I was in prison with him. The only reason he got compensated or even got any attention at all after the horrendous crime is because a retired millionaire rugby player got involved for reasons nobody in NZ understands. It seemed at the time Joe Karam was just trying to cash in on the case by writing a book about it which made him David's champion by default. To this day many insiders to the case still find it all very confusing and even the extended family still argue over David's guilt or innocence. Personally I think he is 100% guilty.

[@T0WhiteForYou]

This is why professional athletes should have no say in matters that do not concern them. You throw a ball and tackle for a living you are not a judge or police officer or forensic expert. What a joke :/

[@julzrobinson7815]

I was in same unit as him as well and had no doubt,who has a kids paper round at 22

[@danski1961]

Hes related to him isn't he, and visited him in prison 200+ times

[@1mol831]

I’m quite interested why Joe did sp

[@caterinadelgalles8783]

Agree.

[@wgcHERTS]

The fact this man killed his whole family and ended up being given nearly a million for it is absolute insanity, what was the jury thinking 😡

[@lifeafterloss232]

What?? That’s what I’m about to watch??? Rethinking in 3,2,1… 🤔

[@wgcHERTS]

@@lifeafterloss232 honestly mate it will make you so angry

[@lifeafterloss232]

@@wgcHERTS I just finished watching it and yeah, anger comes to mind, but also a question: why oh why does it remain a travel destination?? 🤔 Every travel review website should have a big red warning banner at the top, every google result of this location should have it as well. Mind blowing… 🤯

[@mogbaba]

The jury found out that the motive for the crime was the economy. The house was burnt out, so they had to give him 1 mill. to achieve his goal!

[@desmondmcdade4934]

Justice system in other countries really sucks. It's not that good here in the US sometimes but it's much worse in places like this, just my opinion.

[@GeoffInfield]

I've lived in NZ since hatching in the slightly less interestingly named "Invercargill" 56 years ago I can't pronounce that place name 😦 I love that "Taumata whakatangi hangakoauau o tamatea turi pukakapiki maunga horo nuku pokai whenua kitanatahu" means "the place where Tamatea, the man with the big knees, who slid, climbed and swallowed mountains, known as 'landeater’, played his flute to his loved one."

[@maritzacaruth9283]

Tysmfs that. So cool!

[@susanandrew6453]

I love this translation! Thank you!

[@robcooke6069]

That has got to be the weirdest case of family massacre I've heard 😳. Just the most bizarre action to allow the house to be destroyed by fire ? Each room in that house held vital clues .........why let that be erased , crazy . BTW coffeehouse is mint 👌 keep up the good work 👏 Rob

[@loriepaix6391]

David killed them all. The emergency call was very telling when he immediately stopped sobbing to clearly pronounce his last name. The physical evidence certainly showed that the father was not the killer.

[@SeriousSchitt]

Absolutely!

[@guywiththebottle]

Based on just a phone call...

[@mariaorourke5866]

Yes that jarred with me too. It was suddenly business as usual.

[@Sniperboy5551]

You have every right to believe that, but the courts deal in facts. Your emotional response to the 911 call is not evidence proving his guilt.

[@spacecadet35]

The physical evidence showed that he did not murder the rest of his family. But he may have killed his father. If that is true, then the evidence would present as has been observed.

[@misskymbo]

Wow, not only did Adrian pronouncing that Māori hill's name flawlessly, but the lighting in this episode has given this gold ethereal glow to your skin. What ever you had done to the lighting, it's working!

[@jacquelinedeblue5231]

I was wondering if he had a tan, or what made him look, dare I say healthier, than usual... that new monochrome shirt? Nah. So the lighting makes more sense, of course. As for the name, I was (also) wondering how many times he had rehearsed it, but maybe that's underestimating him. Sorry Adrian, very impressive it is anyway.

[@silverdale3207]

As a kiwi, this is the best coverage of this case with a lot of video and photos I've never seen before, I don't know anyone who thinks he's not guilty, the evidence is overwhelming. Staggers me how he ever got out of prison.

[@js9273]

Are you a bird or fruit?

[@Gogoterps]

I AM BLOWN AWAY. Watched a ton of these videos and never been so shocked as when I watched this one. Just incredible. 😮

[@rachaelwood3256]

I'm Maori and I think you pronounced that place name even better than I could lol !!! Thanks for covering the Bain case, David Bain is a household name here in New Zealand, and you will find the population divided on whether he did it or not!! Another famous NZ case is Mark Lundy (and importantly, the victims Christine and Amber Lundy) - would love to hear you cover this one.

[@kat-ju8jb]

out of curiousity, is there a demograpbhic trend for who thinks he is innocent or guilty in nz? Like, do more sports fans think hes innocent because he was championed by an ex rugby player?

[@MissPerpul]

​@@kat-ju8jbYes, a lot of the country were suss that he was innocent. Personally I always thought he was innocent - I think the father did it, waited for David to get home from the paper run to finish David off but they got into a fight of course and David killed him. That's my opinion anyway, a lot of people I've known over the years had slightly differring opinions on it but majority I knew all thought he was innocent as well.

[@jordanrogers8185]

Dude... this is INSANE!!! the PHYSICAL EVIDENCE is WAAYY more important than just motive!!! This is crazy... this man OBVIOUSLY KILLED HIS FAMILY!! How could the dad have killed himself when it was ruled, PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for him to do it??? I'm just stunned... this is awful...

[@chunkymunksmom]

And there was evidence that his body was moved...dead people don't move smh

[@spacecadet35]

The physical evidence says that David possibly killed the father. But the physical evidence says that the father probably killed the mother and the children.

[@tonymartinis2956]

llol very emo response

[@allisonisis]

​@@tonymartinis2956immature response

[@c.o3301]

Such a glossing over if the story. Baffled how so many people gave this a thumbs up. He’s basically just recapped a news report

[@vikkiadamson4732]

I wish I had found your channel sooner...its right up my street..your a fabulous storyteller...very clear speaking and articulate well done❤🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿👏

[@izabelicious]

Kiwi here! You did so well pronouncing Te Reo Maori!! Probably the best I've heard from anyone overseas covering New Zealand! And yes we have lots of sheep 😂

[@simonemurrin7099]

What an interesting case! I do like to listen to both sides but I’m sorry, you can’t dismiss the forensic evidence and replace it with circumstantial. The bullet trajectory, blood on clothes, injuries etc certainly point to David and I have to admit it gives me the chills that he’s been compensated - it’s like he got what he wanted after all, just a little late. Reminds me a little of the Bamber case. Thanks Adrian, another fabulous video!

[@bronminett4042]

There was no evidence he killed anyone but his father... how does that equate suddenly to murdering 5 people?

[@Userxyz-z2d]

I agree! So many lazy son's in the US & Canada hav killed their families so they could inherit it ALL. So selfish! Forensic evidence was overwhelming yet the Jurors looked up to that Sport figure like a God & he smiled at them and they did his dirty bidding.

[@terri9062]

Typically, the lone survivor is the perpetrator. Usually. Yeah, I think David did it. What a totally messed up family all around, but not ever an excuse for murder. Thanks CHC for another well done episode. I appreciate your commenters as well.

[@shannonharrison7711]

He will have to face the king of kings when he dies, and justice will be served then.

[@TheFunkhouser]

Ive studied this case for years. And one fact remains.. IF it was the father a frail weaker old man then.. how could be have fought his fit sporty 14 year son for so long and finally over come him! David Bain got away with murder.

[@gabriellemartin5206]

As a New Zealander I initially thought that David was innocent, however over the years and learning more about the case I believe that David did kill his family. There is just so much evidence to indicate that he was the murderer and not his father. Good job on the pronunciation of the town with the longest name ever! Being a Kiwi myself I can’t pronounce it. I loved the end of the video, eligible or illegible, totally cracked me up. Keep up the great work Adrian, much love from New Zealand 😊💕

[@victorial7861]

Same! Also from NZ and I agree with you.

[@sadakosdaisy7135]

Kia Ora! This was a great look at the Bain case. Also, a great job with the pronunciation.

[@halucio]

@Your Uncle's Mailmam 🤣🤣🤣

[@wendymitchell5354]

Agree, I too have many friends who whole heartedly believed David was innocent but after considering all the evidence, it became clear that David was the culprit, even more so after reading Karams book.

[@AwsomeEnforcer]

Same, also from New Zealand and also thought David was innocent at first and am now strictly in the Justice for Robin Bain department!

[@phoebetopui1620]

Interesting update to this, after Bain was released he got married and one of his groomsmen has been found guilty of rape and murder (for the second time I might add). Quoting below "Speaking to the Herald at the time, Joe Karam said Wilson was Bain's best and oldest friend. The pair were two of the longest-serving inmates in their section of the prison and, though other inmates came and went, the two remained close." Paul Tainui (name changed from Wilson). Look it up. So wierd.

[@amandabrittenden]

I live in Dunedin and I was just a kid when this happened. It was extremely shocking and pretty much everybody I know thinks there's no way David didn't do it.

[@tonymartinis2956]

cold weather down there, meet florencia and we made sexytime in my terrano the good old days 2011

[@MrsGump]

Hey hey 👋 fellow Dunners-ite lol

[@crochetqueen6440]

Thank you for doing justice to this case. You suprisingly did well with your Maori pronunciation for a non-kiwi! Robin Bain was my school principal. I was almost 9 when this happened. Robin lived with my family for a couple of months. He was a kind, gentle man. He played banjo and sung with us, teaching us about Papua New Guinea and inspiring a longstanding to this day love of music and reading in me. His daughter Laniet came with us on a school camp either the same year or the year before they died, my memory escapes me. I thought she was amazing and she was about to begin teaching me to play violin. I later took it up at school as a way to remember them. Dean Cottle was Laniet's pimp. I hope this shows his level of "trustworthiness". Laniet herself had lots of issues, she'd had a history of lying about unsual things, and I'm fairly certain looking from an adult perspective that she did in fact have abuse in her history. Everything in me wants to scream that this could not possibly be in relation to Robin, but how in fact could I possibly know? Joe Karam was a washed up has-been that only those following rugby in the 70's knew of, until this case. He may have put his own money into the case, however he also made a shit load of money out of the four books. David, and his crusade to prove his innocence, made him a significant penny. Regardless of this, the physical evidence does show over and over again that David was the perpetrator here. Rest in peace, Bain family. I remember you.

[@joedennehy386]

Karen was a multi millionaire. This case cost him well over a million. You are blind. He did not make nearly enough money from his books. These are facts

[@Userxyz-z2d]

Maybe David was raping Laniet & she threatened to tell the family! Her dad lived in a trailer, David was in the house and Mum's favorite, so he probably got away with a lot. Im sure the Aged sports guy made tons off those books. He needed the trial to have writing material bc all forensic evidence points to DAVID.

[@rullmourn1142]

@@joedennehy386 ..Karen, right. Bounce troll.

[@newlife8610]

This is why here in the states we have a law that a person can not make money off of a crime they are convicted for, zero, not a penny.

[@donitawhite8111]

@@newlife8610 David didn't write the books or make any money off the murders. Joe Karam, the rugby player, did. The only money that David "won" was the compensation for being wrongfully accused and imprisoned for 17 years. Side note: I do not have an opinion one way or the other regarding David's innocent or guilt because I do not have enough information. I would need to hear all of the evidence presented by both sides to form an opinion.

[@brunolima7402]

Timeline inconsistencies, the fact that only David knew where was the key for his rifle and his economical motivation say David was the killer. Also , it seemed quite impossible for his father to commit suicide with that rifle . The bullet's trajectory also revealed that.

[@BaiiBaii22]

Plus his bloody fingerprints on the rifle that he couldn’t explain..

[@HenryC04]

I think David came home and shot his father in revenge after his father killed the family. David then turned on the computer and staged the suicide as to not be charged with his father's murder. all the clothes washing and house burning was so he wouldn't be charged with the one murder I believe he did commit, which is that of his father. his father also caused the injuries to him.

[@MsMaryPatricia]

But a celebrity said he's innocent so it must be true!

[@michaels7325]

@@HenryC04 I was wondering the same thing.

[@Azriel884]

@@HenryC04 thats exactly what i was thinking too. His dad was insane and r*ping his own daughter, among other horrible things. The father had all the motive, not david.

[@Nanno00]

Based on what I’ve learned from watching your video, it sounds like all of the physical evidence points to David being guilty. I’m just struck by the juries decision of not guilty and wonder how they came to that conclusion

[@grahamandrobynstorey922]

The reason maybe the fact that they had 3 months of evidence- not just 30 minutes, and who knows what parts of that evidence resonated with them.

[@blueforest2927]

Burning down the house was just totally odd in IMO...What kind of country allows that kind of thing...lol

[@knomesaynmafk4789]

@Blue Forest not the first time we have done it won't be the last

[@LittlelauraMJ]

I agree. The only thing I can think is that the jury was going on emotions rather than evidence.

[@miral6694]

They probably had information we don't. Outside of cases of SA or authority figures abusing their positions, most juries imo tend towards overconviction rather than under, so I'm overall inclined to trust them when they say there isn't enough evidence to be sure.

[@babramhlanga1607]

I couldn't help laughing at David's singing skills 🤣 😂 .Coffeehouse is the best crime documentary on KZbin,Adriaan has a soothing voice, he speaks very clear ,I'm learning more English from him.thank you

[@caralinehowden2951]

Sometimes Adrian your voice is too soothing that I fall asleep only to have to watch it again and again and again, not that I want you to talk loudly as that would shock me.

[@ngutjiiUriiIkaa5745]

​@caralinehowden2951 Same here 😂. I thought I was the only one. I am suffering from depression because of domestic violence by my ex-boyfriend. Been pushed of the stairs and loose my two front teeth . I am too soft at heart and wanted to give that moster a second chance ,we have a three year old together. I thought maybe he will change, the very last time we saw each other he told me that if can't have him no one will. I ring the police the next morning, with all the recordings of his threats . He got arrested but I had panic attacks and leads me to a heart attack. Still depressed but most of these stories of abusive relationships have given courage that I'm worth it and I matter 100%. I am getting there. Sometimes I'll have sleepless nights so I always listen to Adrian and sleep like a an innocent baby 😂❤

[@allanwrench]

The way David said “Bain” on the 911 call without the my family just got murdered emotion is a strong sign he was acting.

[@thelastmotel]

111, not 911. It's New Zealand, not America.

[@allanwrench]

@@thelastmotel amd somehow you knew what I meant… it’s 911 in my country and I’m not in America.

[@thelastmotel]

@@allanwrench It's 112 in most countries...

[@pietra9209]

@@thelastmotel Literally beyond the point. People like you are so annoying. WHO CARES, the point was made JFC

[@shadowstorm1014]

000 here in Australia

[@ExiledStardust]

David is clearly guilty. He's only lucky that some celebrity took an interest in him and lobbied for his release.

[@Shiloie]

The pronunciation bit you did simply slayed and charmed me me heeheehee! well done😄

[@PG-wz7by]

I've decided this is my favorite crime channel. Thank you for the great content.

[@ladyericab8972]

What an injustice…I certainly feel David was the killer and the fact that he was compensated just adds insult to injury.

[@mentalasylumescapee6389]

well, David did spend 12 years of his life behind bars, and he got what $900k, where his lawyer lost $500k so... i don;t think David would have seen much of that compensation money, also remember 12 years behind bars...

[@Sandra071285]

@@mentalasylumescapee6389 Wasn't it Joe who paid half a million dollars for his defense?

[@mentalasylumescapee6389]

@@Sandra071285 yeah

[@anthonymcpeak2234]

bee kaay.....12 years for murdering his family.....yes that means hee deserved to be compensated 🙄

[@AlbionRising]

@@mentalasylumescapee6389 he deserved more, because the real evidence, the FORENSICS, points to him. Blood of his brother (who fought him) on his shirt, the angle of the gun impossible for Robert to do it to himself, no fingerprints... etc etc. Bad prosecutors for not repeating this, letting prime time jury get emotional and say hey lets free this poor guy, what a sad story, forget about forensics, I like him Ill let him go, yay...

[@ShalomDove]

“Who’s all dead?” Emergency phone operators never cease to amuse me with their casual approach to these calls.

[@Sputterbugz]

they have to sound casual or they risk upsetting the person on the phone. but ya it does sound jarring

[@torachan23]

They need to have a "casual" approach to coax the caller to remain calm, for themselves to remain calm, and have a clear head to get all of the information possible. Try going on a walkthrough at your local emergency office to see how it is to work there, so you have an idea before you criticize a job you don't understand

[@ShalomDove]

@@Sputterbugz absolutely… it’s essential that they remain calm; but for those of us who dont real with these calls every day, it just sounds surreal.

[@ShalomDove]

@@torachan23 im not criticizing them… im actually very impressed that they are able to handle all that stress so well. The only reason it strikes me as funny is because its so very different from the way an average person would respond. They have a mental strength that most people do not… they would have to, in order to handle these calls every day.

[@angelang222]

I'm impressed with that pronunciation!

[@debsymoon7124]

I knew someone who knew the family well (used to stay over at the house sometimes) and they said David was a creep and thought he was guilty. Also know someone who knew one of the lawyers, same story. One time he came into my workplace and my colleague who knew the lawyer had to serve him and couldn’t look him in the eyes

[@anna4lease587]

That means nothing the mum and dad were creepy to does that make them guilty ?

[@egranger2128]

I believe David is 100% guilty. The judge was right to keep the “motive” out of court cause it literally is just Hearsay. People going to any circumstantial evidence for David innocence and just ignored all the actual physical evidence pointing to his guilt. There was no reason for Robin to keep David alive, there was no reason for him to waste time waiting for a computer to turn on when he could’ve just written a note, so much just doesn’t make sense.

[@Dmckenzie6]

The motive could have very well been the reason for it all to begin with. Perhaps David was aware of certain elements of things and realized that his father was capable of snapping, so beat him to the punch so as not to be a victim.

[@clon76]

Also somebody else's motive is not exculpatory evidence

[@keithsavoie6943]

@@Dmckenzie6 no if that was the case he would have only killed his father not the rest of the family

[@1mol831]

Yet his fathers fingerprints is not found on the gun

[@TheBullet0012]

That’s exactly what I was thinking.. when people hear the story of how evil Robyn was and what he did to his daughter, they will be so focused on that, that they might be blind to the physical evidence, that says otherwise.. so I think it was the right call to suppress that evidence, to get a more clear picture of what happened.. and as soon as it is brought up, he is acquitted?! I never heard them give an explanation for who Robyn shot him self! Which to me is the most crucial point in this case, regardless of motive and anything else.. if cannot prove that Robyn shot him self, then David shot him, end of discussion!

[@japan100100]

David totally did it. Pretty obvious. The father being messed up was probably more motive for David to do what he did, if anything.

[@annerison]

My thoughts also. His dad was likely a toxic person, so he did away with his whole family to stage his murder (allegedly). This is what I believe happened.

[@jonathanlgill]

@@annerison The mother was actually the really psychologically disturbed person. I fully believe the weirdness of the family stems from her.

[@caseyjamieson380]

Thanks for covering another NZ case! It's always interesting to hear this story from another perspective. Nice one

[@incubus3069]

This should've been an open and shut case. I can't believe it.

[@imjustsaying6712]

How sad that a family was wiped out and their brother/killer walks away with a brand new name, life, family and enough money for a lifetime. Having the house burned to the ground is crimanal and not suspicious at all.... Thanks again for another great upload Adrian 👋🏼🇦🇺🐨

[@jacquesc0usteau]

My fiance did point out that there were corruption charges filed due to how quickly the house was demolished after the fact, before they even properly searched it for further evidence. G'day to you in my home country from across the Tasman in NZ :)

[@imjustsaying6712]

@@jacquesc0usteau thank you for the info and a big g'day back from the Sunshine Coast Queensland 👋🏼

[@tronalddump1133]

The jury's decision and the information from this video indicates to me that there simply wasn't enough evidence to implicate him beyond a reasonable doubt. This may be disappointing, but I think it is preferable to the alternative: a court system where you're considered guilty and it is your job to prove your innocence or else you'll be sentenced. And additionally, I don't think he poses a danger to others right now. He probably just wants to live his life peacefully and not get in trouble. That, to me, begs the question as to what's even the point in locking him up? In my mind the point of prisons is to keep society safer, and the main goal towards criminals should be to make sure they'll reintegrate in society a better person after their sentence is served. I only believe in punishment insofar as it makes the likelihood of recidivism lower (and of course to serve some sort of justice to victims).

[@JM06261996]

This is not a mysterious situation, it was definitely David. Amazing work as always Adrian

[@seanodwyer4322]

- it was me.- Serial Police target- Sean O'Dwyer- number 136- 140 Hobson Street.- Auckland City. 1010.- New Zealand.- South pacific.''

[@mischief76]

I'm very impressed Adrian!! That was a bit of a tough twister!

[@earthwombat]

after a few more years of this, you can probably be a forensic consultant lol

[@n0les443]

the fact you nailed saying whatever the heck you said twice. is super impressive. I just recently found this channel and now it is one of my favorites.

[@johnmarkkillough6242]

Yeah man Adrian is a beast. Coffeehouse Crime is in my top 3 favorite true crime channels

[@Benny-zs7kr]

@@johnmarkkillough6242 name 2 better

[@CoffeehouseCrime]

Welcome to the coffeehouse!

[@metsatsu3017]

Adrian probably had said it better than some of the native Māori

[@nunceccemortiferiscultu7826]

@dMedia well thats what he is, correct? I knew you'd start dropping racial slurs by reading your other comments lol.

[@jonv570]

I was a teenager living in dunedin when this happend, it devastated the community. There was so much sinister shit going on in that family! also every cop that worked on the case 100% knows David did it.

[@ecm84ee]

Every cop and almost every kiwi apart from the morons in the second trial that let him out.

[@marshamay2695]

Exactly!! He thinks he's clever but hasn't pulled the wool over my eyes!! He's guilty guilty guilty!!

[@positiveego5397]

My thought is that due to Robin and David's closeness, it's possible they both planned to carry out the crime. Robin killed the other members of the family, then convinced David to shoot him because by doing that, he would be killing a murderer. After David finishing his dad off, due to nervousness, there's a possibility he wasn't confident with the set up of the original crime thus tampering hence leaving loopholes. Another possibility is that Robin convinced David to kill them all.

[@barrierodliffe4155]

@@positiveego5397 Or more likely it was all David and his defence made it up about the father, all of the evidence points straight to David and none at all to Robin.

[@protector22222]

@@positiveego5397 holy cow i think my sanity just melted

[@debsymoon7124]

From NZ here and looking forward to your take on this ☺️

[@username-xf9sb]

I really do believe that Adrian is the best KZbinr in this category. There are other youtubers in this genre who have become really smug and instead of focusing on narrating the case they have let the comments that praise their 'humour' go to their heads... Adrian is so respectful and considerate in their narrative when covering these incidents. Really well researched, brings focus in such a positive way to the victims and their families. Absolutely brilliant channel and host. Adrian really does deserve all the success hes gained and no doubt the further oncoming success. 100000000000% well deserved!

[@cryptoking7679]

Have you listened to MrBallen? He does an amazing job at story telling and is great like adrian Ps. I watched all of mrballen videos first but wish they both uploaded more

[@username-xf9sb]

@@cryptoking7679 I've come across his channel but never watched his work other than the KZbin shorts he uploads. I'll take your suggestion and watch his work, you've persuaded me lol

[@gottlicherhammer]

@@cryptoking7679 Ballen used to be really good. He almost never uploads videos anymore. Since discovering Adrian, he's quickly become a favorite.

[@cryptoking7679]

Yeah he use to upload 3 even 4 times a week but now mrballen moved his podcast to amazon music which good for him

[@ralphalvarez5465]

Adrian is very easy to listen to. Other KZbinrs are too busy trying to be funny and become annoying. Coffeehouse Crime is definitely worth the listen.

[@deborahbones8871]

I passed David in the street in Auckland while he was awaiting his 2nd trial. He smiled at me & I smiled back before suddenly realising who he was. It's a difficult case for NZers. I feel some empathy for David but I do think he killed his family. His parents were awful really but it's the lost lives of his sisters & little brothers that are sadly forgotten in this case.

[@Rayz1414]

Parents still didn't deserve that

[@orophile1842]

I think no one should let a person with no professional background to get involved in such a serious case simply because they’re famous enough to speak their thoughts.

[@ThatSugarJunkie]

I've always liked your super clear pronunciation but that name took it to a different level, kudos.

[@tysoneyles5417]

Kia Ora e hoa, love the channel and have been a fan for a while now. I am a NZer of Maori descent, and I just want to say, your pronounciation being from where you are, with the accent you have, is far better than 90% of non Maori NZers, and was awesome to hear! MAURI ŌRA ✊🏿💙💯

[@auntkaz815]

For me, the forensics overwhelmingly support David’s guilt. The “motive” information for Robin neither erases the forensics against David nor produces forensics against Robin himself. It is also disturbing to see the former Rugby player sitting in the front of the courtroom, right where the jury can see him and making it clear what HE thought about David’s guilt/innocence. In my opinion, he influenced that second trial a great deal.

[@Spongebrain97]

Yeah overall the second trial is stupid. We get new information that the father had more skeletons in his closet, so what? I don't get how that info essentially erased all of the physical evidence behind David's obvious guilt in eyes of the jury

[@vriskaxtereziotp]

I get that technically he has the right to be there, however I dont think celebrities who very clearly have influence should be allowed in a court.

[@simonemurrin7099]

Hear hear!

[@mers_2017]

He also didn't look the happiest when the not guilty verdict was read. I'm wondering if he was hoping this case would be ongoing so he could profit more money off of it.

[@theresaditro2563]

David

[@HelRayzer12]

After hearing that call to the police who could have ever thought it was anyone other than the son? That's about the worst attempt I've heard of a person trying to show shock & emotions.

[@markmike7933]

"wake up".. It is likely Very Rare that people say "wake up" to dead people, even when they are in a state of shock. Sounds more like something from a bad movie. Or a bad actor.

[@HelRayzer12]

@@markmike7933 I didn't even notice that, to me you could just hear it in his voice, in his replies to the operator. He was so damn emotional and then when the operator asked him a question, he answered it with such a change in demeanor. It was so apparent.

[@warmbloodydew]

Right! So fake

[@leeraxd]

@@markmike7933 this is such an underrated comment. It was the first thing I thought of. What grown, adult person would say "WAKE UP" to a gruesome scene?? I imagine maybe a 5y/o saying that.

[@CalmEverAfter]

I interpreted his “wake up” to be him telling himself to wake up, as if he felt like he was in a dream. Edit to add: he should be in prison right now.

[@katsandcoffee]

Had a surreal moment a number of years ago while at a Christmas light display show. Looked up and saw David Bain in a hoodie watching the lights straight across from me. Definitely changed the vibes of the show after that.

[@alberon554]

EPIC!! no one else would have even tried to pronounce that

[@cousinrolf871]

I can't believe the rationale they used for burning the house down, especially during an active investigation.

[@NatureLover-62]

My god, it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to know that given the evidence that David Bain clearly killed his entire family. The fact that this grandiose former rugby player exposed his own personal views to sway away from the truth is a truly despicable human being. I hope that David Bain never has a day of peace, happiness or is shown any courtesy from the public.

[@real_MacrocosM]

Thank God you aren't allowed to be a brain surgeon

[@eatass5627]

Hes sitting pretty he lives in a paradise doubt he wants to be super social def has family money

[@MrRisingapple]

You would expect that jury would have an own brain to put the huge dots together. Instead they all had the brain of the 26 million sheep who live in that country

[@emilyrose6963]

He's doing fine. Got granted to change his name and leave the country so people wouldn't keep reminding him he's a killer

[@punkrandom]

@@emilyrose6963 and a child. I hope David sleeps with one eye open.

[@jeannabean8547]

Thank you so much for repeating the name of the location. I was just getting ready to run the video back to hear it again and you saved me that 😂

[@donnawoobiebennett1624]

I was reading through the comments and was happy to see that everybody noticed what I noticed about the 111 call, it was so noticeable when he said his last name!! Any change to the last name it was like he already had it in his mind that he was going to change it, he said his last name with a little disgust in his tone!! He's definitely guilty I can believe they let him burn down the house!! Another great job narrating thank you!!!🤗❤️💕

[@ChrisJ-mf7cj]

Dude must have had 7 foot long arms to be able to kill himself from a couple feet away with that rifle. A silencer would have actually blown more powder and hotter powder onto the man’s head at a closer distance. The stippling would have been just brutal if it was a suicide. Wow! Can’t believe David got away with this.

[@Ghosty6464]

You can use that rifle on yourself easier than you think. Even if it’s unlikely. The 2nd court had people demonstrate this. David did it, though, yes.

[@Jess-vg5rb]

Man, don't you just hate the feeling when you know deep in your gut that he massacred his family?

[@CadillacDriver]

I have lived in Dunedin all my life, I was 13 at the time. I agree, it's absolutely atrocious he is now deemed "innocent". I've been disgusted for the best part of my life, over this.

[@mosaicgirl4002]

Adrian, this was such an interesting case! I do find the detailed longer cases, and the interesting info regarding location & background all working very well. Nice pacing.Excellent presentation.

[@justlikehoney1859]

Wow you’re so dedicated!! I love that you learned how to pronounce that long and confusing name! That’s why you’re my favorite crime channel, you do allllll the research and truly freaking care. Seems like more and more these days are these “crime channels” that show nothing but repeated stock photos while doing a voice over retelling the story of a better made crime video they watched.

[@dutch-essjess1185]

It kinda annoys me that this man (in my opinion) was able to walk free after such a horrible crime. I think he’s definitely guilty….

[@samanthalee4403]

Absolutely agree and absolutely mind blowing that there was even a retrial AT ALL!!! Without a doubt the FORENSIC EVIDENCE shows he was definitely the murderer!!!

[@happydeath117]

I think he did it as well

[@justinreagan5702]

I wonder if they found him not guilty because he’d already served most of his sentence prior to parole eligibility and they figured that they’d give him an early parole. I don’t see how they could disregard the physical evidence and really believe that he was not guilty and in effect convict the dead Robin of crimes for which he could not defend himself.

[@scorch4299]

theres SO much evidence incriminating him lol...

[@mitchand9]

Let's just say in NZ throughout that era Police investigating crimes weren't exactly the most honest with their investigation and evidence.

[@FirstOfHisNameSolaire]

Don’t forget he also got paid for his time so he really didn’t serve his sentence lol

[@mitchand9]

@@FirstOfHisNameSolaire a million for losing 13 years of your life? Not really a payment to be honest.

[@shebacynn1320]

@@mitchand9 What about 1million for killing 5 people and then having your freedom back..sounds like a good compensation to me.

[@susanramos0524]

Another great case Adrian …More power to you, your production and your team …👏👊💯

[@soulfulessence7733]

You did fantastic with the pronunciation of the Māori place

[@jembawls]

The thing that sets your channel apart from other true crime channels is the respect you actively show to victims, their friends, and their family, as well as to the cultures, cities, and countries throughout the world where these events take place. It helps emphasis to us all that whoever the monster/s are that commit the crimes you cover, there is more to this world than them. You dedicate significant portions of every video to this and it's just something I really appreciate.

[@n.g.l.]

Absolute, there are some with are really satirical and it’s honestly annoying

[@melodychance9399]

I know you probably won't see this comment but I wanted to tell you, I basically have stopped watching other true crime channels after I found yours. Your coverage and handling of such topics to be very masterful and empathetic. I also appreciate your videos with do not sensationalize or trivialize any topics. Also, your respect for other cultures and peoples. Great work!

[@Bunny11344]

I’m sure there are also other good tasteful true crime creators out there too don’t close yourself up to just one

[@waynehoffman456]

Try That Chapter or Mr. Ballin

[@AwsomeEnforcer]

Coffeehouse Crime, Dark Curiosities, Under the Usher Tree and Truly Criminal are my favourites.

[@britth5333]

I love this channel, That Chapter, Monsters, Truly Criminal plus a few more and quite a few interrogation channels. Plus Case Files podcast is good to fall asleep.

[@melodychance9399]

Thanks for the recommendations yall. I'll definitely check those out I kind of just felt disillusioned with some of the popular true crime creators out there...

[@LarryLatham101]

Well done, Adrian. Fascinating story.

[@LorettaHale6321]

I know I'm like a year late but DAMN I'm just impressed that he could say that towns name!! Well done mate 👏👏

[@JaylordTaylorsVersion]

My family lived down the road from them. My mum and dad were taxi drivers and often took the family into town. They were absolutely shocked and couldn't really believe that it happened. I still live in Otepoti/Dunedin and the massacre is still speculated on today. Also solid attempt at the Te Reo name. Love your work, and thank you for covering cases in a comprehensive and respectful manner.

[@beautifulchaos4383]

I can't believe that guy sought after his innocence when he was clearly guilty then he had the nerve to get compensated for being wrongly convicted, ridiculous, he basically got paid for killing his family.

[@kwakester]

I'm sure the guy who lobbied to get him out was handsomely paid, probably negotiated in advance.

[@rocky_wang]

Of course you can get paid by killing people, as long as you are good at it lol

[@dan1769]

If he did it...he be meeting the Man Upstairs on eternity. We can't scape the Almaighty's judgment. Sooner or later we will meet HIM.

[@rocky_wang]

@@dan1769 We not only need justice sooner or later from the heavenly kingdom above in His hand, but we also need justice NOW on earth in our own hands

[@beautifulchaos4383]

@@dan1769 If that is what you believe to be true, not everyone believes that.

[@hughlingard]

adrian your videos are so well done. thank you so much for all of your effort and respect toward the victims.

[@jesslulu2677]

Hey from nz thank u for the upload , so so much ore to this case.. so many more stories alike in lil nz would be awesome to see some more from here

[@randylalrinsanga3078]

I definitely believe David is the killer. The evidences that points to him are solid facts. Robin might have reasons for killing his family too, but all the evidences in the crime scene points to David.

[@almostkinda]

Exactly.. There would be an overwhelming amount of visible DNA on Robin if he had been the killer..

[@rother011]

This story went from intriguing to disturbing to heartbreaking… the only member of the Bain family to survive was the one who (in my opinion) killed them all…

[@tonymartinis2956]

nice work judge judy

[@fandomfan2800]

and?

[@anna4lease587]

Opinions dont count

[@AnayhiasMimi4619]

I love your channel, you work hard on it and it’s appreciated

[@rikrishna1586]

My mother knew this family for years in new guinea. She says they were all very odd but for certain it was David Bain

[@CollieneDawson-hw7bj]

That's possibly were the mother got into the demonic side of worship. 😮😊

[@ladycrass6963]

Wow. Does anybody else just simply love this man and the work he puts into these videos? So charismatic and fun. I especially love when he adds his own opinion at the end based on the facts he just spewed like mad fire. 🔥 Love you Adriene! (Probably spelt that wrong. :D)

[@bankait_rex1860]

1.18 million people agree with you :)

[@KiwiCL8]

Mate I'm a Kiwi and you pronounced that name better than I could! Well done and keep up the top notch videos!

[@js9273]

Are you a bird or fruit?

[@sylviamills631]

Love you , Adrian, excellents on your report,just amazing

[@BunnyBrina]

This retelling is more detailed than others I’ve watched of this story

[@archivegurl3893]

Omg I remember the re-trial being on television when I was a kid. My parents were so invested and thought it was absolute insanity that they were even considering he was innocent. Now watching this as an adult, I have to agree. I thought this was a crazy thing to happen in Aotearoa and am still shocked when cases like this pop up.

[@mers_2017]

I would have been 11 during the re-trial but for the life of me, I don't remember this case or hearing about it until I was in my late teens. Wish I did though, the crime junkie in me, would've been glued to the TV

[@peterwallis4288]

I can't make up my mind about it. Bit there was a huge amount of public support for him. And I suspect the jurors were influences by it. There was also a story about some jurors celebrating with him after the verdict.

[@archivegurl3893]

@@peterwallis4288 Yeah, I can see both sides of it for sure since the first trial was a bit shaky, but I think the physical evidence is paramount. To say what others have been saying, his Father had motive, but considering the trajectory of the bullet wound to his head, the washing of clothes and agreeing to having the house burnt down (WTF!), it points to David. Good point about the public influence, I feel like high profile cases in a country where stuff like this is uncommon probably weighed in to the decision, maybe. We'll never know for certain. That is insane though... To celebrate afterwards... Yikes!!!!

[@FailingArtist]

Agreed. David was definitely guilty. Overwhelming evidence. Look at his clearly fake “sadness.” Bad actor. What kind of “innocent” person showers and changes their clothes? And the computer? Say no more.

[@broeheemed32]

Not his fault. He was abused.

[@zoe.lilith]

@@broeheemed32 yes but it doesn't excuse his actions.

[@steverobertson1729]

I kept waiting for some shred of evidence that David was innocent. It never came. He clearly killed his family and is now FREE🤦🤦

[@_Y.Not_]

@@broeheemed32 So every abused person on earth is entitled to shoot and kill 5 people? That's going to be a lot of dead people. The majority of people who are abused do not commit crimes let alone kill

[@Ridd333]

@@zoe.lilith We say that pretty much every time something like this happens. Killing an abusing parent is...justified, I think. When a victim can gather the gull to make that choice, it shows tenacity. Or maybe it is a way of giving up. I do not know. Any siblings killed, is unacceptable. But I have never been abused or even considered merc'ing my family.

[@sonjaheck3156]

It's definitely the son. Even her 111 call, you can hear how his voice changes to calm like that. Also the ridiculousness of that computer note.

[@JayCee-hw4zc]

Amazing! (Got no other words. Speechless). Thankyou

[@Sneatt]

Dude murdered his entire family to get the life insurance, then burnt down his house with all the evidence inside, not only that, he was found innocent and got 900k. He now has a family and a life his siblings never got to have. He 100% got away with murder. Truly sickening. Edit: Everything I said Is false. Don't take what I say as fact. I am purely saying what I think happened. My statements are FALSE.

[@halofornoobs93]

He didn't know about the life insurance or inheritance until he was told by detectives.

[@miramuchachito296]

@@halofornoobs93 yeah.. sure...

[@88mphDrBrown]

He didn't burn down the house, the authorities did. Your being flagrantly dishonest to make him look more guilty.

[@jenell4375]

@@88mphDrBrown if you were listening you'd hear he gave the okay for the house to be burned down and even stated he never wanted to see the house again

[@88mphDrBrown]

@@jenell4375 I was listening. Giving consent to the authorities and them burning it down is not "him burning it down". How tf do you respond "well actually..."? It's flagrantly dishonest framing it like he did it on his own to cover everything up, which isn't remotely close to what happened.

[@sulianat3083]

I went to school with Arawa in Papua New Guinea. She was a lovely, polite and soft-spoken person. I often wonder if things would have been different if the family stayed back in PNG. Such a sad tragic story.

[@jilliana8932]

I love how well you pronounce things from around the world. It’s not easy and you do it with such respect.

[@duncanbishop1836]

He called Malaga 'Mulah-gah' in a video I watched the other day...

[@Empress-lala7jy]

I love those little interceptions here and there....great job with the name.

[@wednesday3561]

YES! I'm SO EXCITED YOU COVERED THIS! I've been asking for years for channels to cover this! This shook my country! Adrian some other New Zealand crimes are the Aramoana massacre in Otago in 1990 (same area as the Bain murders) and also the case of Ben Smart and Olivia Hope in my home town of Queen Charlotte Sound. Thank you again! Love from New Zealand 🇳🇿❤

[@alex-qd6of]

I think Matt Orchard also covered this

[@Nessa___]

Yes, Ben and Olivia will a mystery

[@Joshg247]

I would have to say that David is obviously guilty, and has got away with this horrendous crime. I do not understand how any jury would find him not guilty, unless the celebrity status of the rugby guy swayed them.

[@AJSSPACEPLACE]

Maybe if the crime scene wasn’t burned down, the authorities would’ve had an easier time convicting him. Ultimately, functional Justice systems must designed, in a way that guilty people can sometimes take advantage of. Why? Because if it was impossible for guilty people to abuse the system; then innocent people would almost NEVER be found not-guilty.

[@kembuma]

I can only wish I had your way of delivering the point bravo mate

[@terriebot5000]

You are delightful for the double read of the longest name of the world! Made my day!

[@lazarddiankson1400]

The murderer was David!! All the evidence points to him, and he said he 'zoned out', a line that's normally used by killers when not wanting to take responsibility for a bad situation. He also didn't phone emergency services for a while after 'discovering' the crime scene, and his phone call did not sound sincere. In my opinion David has gotten away with murder, and been compensated for it! The sentences in New Zealand are also shamefully lenient and not much of a deterrent to crime. Life should mean life, unless there are mitigating factors, and not if you kill 5 people!! Eligible for parole in 16 years means just over 3 years for each murder!! I don't see how this is justice. Well done Mr ex-All-Black who probably took on this case for self publicity.

[@isachan0o844]

It's the same in Sweden. Life in prison is usually 25 years, of which many don't get the full 25 and get out after 12. Tougher sentences deterr crime. Not all, but at least some.

[@Poppa_Capinyoaz]

Do you feel rhe same about the Timaru moron who killed 5 of his friends and only got 2.5 years. He murdered people too and only has to pay 5 months per life.

[@Imugi007]

It's the same in the US. Life doesn't always mean life. It's usually around 25 years depending on the state.

[@marshamay2695]

Yes 100% David definitely killed his family. So many things point to his guilt. The father had no gunshot residue on his hands whatsoever . David Bain is a cunning psychopathic KILLER!!!

[@foryourlugsonly]

@@Imugi007 not for murdering 5 people bro. You're never getting released in the states for that shit

[@muppetb.lansing8374]

This case was huge and it treads such an incredible fine line between "David did it," or "Robin (the dad) did it." The simple fact is that the forensic work done by the police was an absolute disorganised shambles, Dunedin police were simply unprepared for the scale of the murder (way back in 1993) and they cocked it right up. Many people were let into the crime scene when they shouldnt have been there. Karam took a lot of advantage of the many evidential holes in his claims. Many of the younger police cops involved in the matter changed their careers to real estate agents.

[@poppy83.]

lmfao. That last fact is kind of hilarious tho 😂

[@muppetb.lansing8374]

@@poppy83. Yea, I agree. The kind of new career you cant really fail at....

[@chrisamy3285]

Also a couple of the Constable's who were involved in the investigation are now Detectives.

[@punkrandom]

@@chrisamy3285 and are still scumbags!!!

[@CadillacDriver]

1994

[@jenniferrossie2028]

I am a Kiwi. The Bain case is notorious. Other facts; Robin the father had no blood on the soles of his socks but David's were blood stained. Robin Bain had a full bladder, how do you hang onto that while you murder your family? There were large foot prints with some blood in David's size foot, Robin his father had much smaller feet. There was a blood spattered lens from David's glasses in poor Stevens room, poor boy tried to fight his killer off. There was blood on the Opera gloves David was said to be wearing...why the hell would anyone but David put on his large white Opera Gloves? There was a cartridge placed on the floor next to his father's body. The whole thing wasn't investigated probably, the police trampled in and out of the house, no foot plates to protect the scene. And...yes who allowed that house to be burnt down. Oh also David had all funeral arrangements for his dead family worked out the days after the murders. Don't know why Joe Karim got involved....maybe just to sell his books. I think it was David.... just saying 😢

[@estadejong9115]

I'm a kiwi, (new zealander) and live just around the corner from where the Bain murders happened. He totally did it, he had a rich rugby player behind him, the police ffed up all the evidence from day 1. Bain is guilty, there's not many people here that believe he's innocent. It's disgusting he got away with it. He got a massive pay out, is married and happy, yuck. It's so obvious he's guilty it's ridiculous he got away with it. He actually asked for a push up bra for his sister to wear in the casket. He's a total creep, and I know people who were friends with his sis and David would come into the room with a gun and prank shoot. Disturbed dork.

[@anna4lease587]

Wheres your evidence and especialy about the bra

[@estadejong9115]

@@anna4lease587 my friends friend ( she knew and hung out with the family as I said regarding his dumb shooting pranks she witnessed )was there when he was choosing the clothes of what he thought she would want to wear making inappropriate suggestions for the push up bra. Guess it would fall under hearsay unless I phone my old neighbour to get her friend to be interviewed before court and the grave exhumed for you to see a Bendon bra.