Who Murdered The Crowley Family?... | The (Solved) Case of David Crowley

[@CoffeehouseCrime]

➤ Thanks to A GRAY STATE for providing some of the imagery used in this video. ➤ A GRAY STATE can be found here: www.amazon.com/Gray-State-David-Crowley/dp/B076BJ7246/ ➤ Rotten Tomatoes link here: www.rottentomatoes.com/m/a_gray_state ➤ New Yorker article to "Death of a Dystopian" by Alec Wilkinson found here: www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/04/10/death-of-a-dystopian Missing info: Unfortunately, the family’s hands were missing because the dog had eaten them through a matter of starvation. I'd love to hear what you folks think of this case! Honestly, this has to be one of the most interesting stories that I've seen in a while. Do you want to see more videos like this? And what do you think happened to David and his family?

[@chrissyloren3669]

Would absolutely love more like this. 👍

[@juhs]

Cc"c

[@MrNolupita3000]

I loved it - I saw the documentary about him several years ago and always hoped for a good video about it, you did a great job.

[@ArtingFromScratch]

I just love that I have a long day of chores and you release this triumph!

[@maryjaysunday6071]

Thank you for all the time and effort you put into your work. You continuously improve and we can clearly see that on every videos you upload. I can genuinely say you are one of a kind. Thank you for your passion 😊

[@tadeuvi]

I once read one of the biggest reasons why family annihilators do what they do, is so that the family will not bear witness to their failures. It fits this case perfectly

[@sleigh4019]

The also believe that they can't succeed with out them so there better off .. Its a strange mindset ..think the PTSD made it extreme and pushed this to happen

[@aaronjustice9020]

But their family usually is totally unaware of thr failure or debt. She seemed to be aware. This seems more likely ptsd related.

[@cnthm1252]

Their pride means more to them than their own families. They need therapy.

[@evanniakharz8965]

Only they know whether it's suicide or murder

[@Jadeskylar1]

like that chandler guy who murdered his whole family because he was lying about somemuch things like being in college and his job at nasa

[@DeathMetalDerf]

I really just want to say that not all of us who deal with PTSD are this dangerous to anyone besides ourselves. What this man did disgusts me, and has the potential to keep a lot of people who really need help away from it at all costs. If you think you need help, or a very close, personal friend or family member tells you that you might need help, at very least consider it. I beg you to consider it not just for the people around you, but because you owe it to yourself to live the best life you possibly can. It's the one time when being selfish will benefit everyone, yourself included. Be well, everyone.

[@lotusflower7597]

Narcissists don't think they need help!

[@bagarozzi927]

Absolutely I have PTSD great you different reasons nothing to do with the military and war. I am honestly the least dangerous person unless you mess with my kids then I'll be the most dangerous person. The military does not help its soldiers returning from active duty with their mental status. I truly believe we should do more to help the veterans....I believe we should help them before giving money to other countries.. we need to help our own first!!!

[@ZombieSazza]

Also have PTSD, and can confirm, we really aren’t dangerous to anyone but ourselves. Seeing it used as some excuse in violent cases always sickens me to my core

[@garydean0308]

The VA has been "treating" me for PTSD the last 15 years. I tried to get a service related disability, they didn't even know who I was.

[@ekramer2478]

I wasn't. Dude here is...troubled. Very.

[@malloryfraney1683]

You shoved so much into 40 minutes and I'm feeling like I just watched a two hour documentary. So well done. This is why I love your channel.

[@TheL01S]

The case not getting lots of media attention might be more to do with the media not wanting to talk about the potential for troops to come home with severe mental health issues, and being a threat to their loved ones or the general public. I imagine they would want to sweep that under the rug.

[@Insharai]

A valid point, but unfortunately a byproduct of the fact that the programs of reintroducing military back into society and helping with mental health being completely removed...

[@angedenpeacelove_411-00]

Yea this feels like a coverup.. We know so much about any family killers but this one...one who is vocal about things regarding the Government. This one does not even have a wiki page

[@jasoninthehood9726]

I think it’s more likely there is no rhyme or reason which cases spark a wildfire in the media. There are tons of cases on this channel that I can’t believe weren’t a big deal and then you got shit like Jodi Arias and I’m shocked that the media spent so much time on that case considering how non-interesting it is? In short, there is no cover up and it has nothing to do with a guy being an ex soldier. Hell, I never even heard of that mother and daughter who killed their entire family with anti-freeze until I saw a KZbin about it.

[@stashguard6823]

So well covered up that someone from another continent needed to make a detailed video about it.

[@joeycampbell940]

It had nationwide coverage when it happened.

[@Dougfur]

I was in a relationship with a man with intense untreated psychosis and schizophrenia and let me tell you being in that energy 24/7 started to effect me so much I started to experience psychosis as well. So I can relate to this lady. This poor woman and her child.

[@whitneyanders5945]

Psychosis can be contagious. There are studies that prove this. It’s SO easy to get sucked into a paranoid and negative person’s world. The aftermath of covid has created many paranoid types who all feed off each other. It is good to sceptical and to question everything but can easily tip over into paranoia for the gullible and naive and those who can’t critically think.

[@mariagabrielle6383]

Folie au deux.

[@RealElongatedMuskrat]

I'm so sorry. hope you're well and safe now.

[@kimmuckenfuss2284]

You referred to that relationship in the past tense, so I'm guessing you got out of it intact? I hope so. Kinda like Forrest Gump said about a "box of chocolates," when people enter into relationships with someone, sometimes there's just no telling what kind of "chocolate" you picked. You might really not like that piece of chocolate. Hope life is much better for you now.

[@Dougfur]

@@kimmuckenfuss2284 I am indeed. I appreciate that :)

[@renearrazcaeta7005]

Crazy how David passionately demanded freedom but provided none to his wife.

[@teresathayn5170]

Is there any legal way to intervene when you realize this is happening to your loved one?!? How can we help them?!?

[@ThomasSawyers]

@@teresathayn5170yeah if only there was like some sort of uniformed force, let's call them the police or something!

[@Lola-AreaCode212]

​@@ThomasSawyersthe wife beaters? Sure. 👌

[@ThomasSawyers]

@@Lola-AreaCode212 wait no

[@yanomanches1375]

This is what I was thinking the entire time 😂

[@dreamersleepwalker]

I feel so sorry for the little girl. She was taken away way too soon. This man isolated his wife & selfishly took away her freedom. I don’t think he was fighting a just fight.

[@ddjsoyenby]

most people who cry about "their freedoms being taken away" often want to force away others rights.

[@gomahklawm4446]

@ddj(etc) You're spot on. They are projecting to the maximum. It couldn't be more obvious....

[@sorayalovett2627]

Very professionally done, Adrian. Congrats on a great job; I'm sure the research was time-consuming.

[@Voodoorai]

I've worked on movie sets and if you can't delegate and you mix in some mental health issues...you'll 100% have a nervous breakdown and/or find an addiction. Too many moving parts for one person. It can be extremely overwhelming when you've got money/time restraints/deadlines/location & equipment issues/delays that cost time/money. Mix *YEARS* of sleep deprivation, continuously pondering film issues, hyper-focusing on conspiracy ideas and it's literally a mental disaster waiting to happen. He may have seen this as a final hail-Mary to get eyeballs on his film. I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did. *It's a shame that his family had to be punished for his inability to reign in his obsession.* 😓

[@ericcoverdale9523]

@CoffeehouseCrime You Sir, have the most calm demeanor and the most eloquent way of narrating your crime documentaries! I have been hooked for several months now, just wanted to pay you this compliment, my friend! 💗 Take care, and I look forward to many more exhilarating stories!!

[@bibianaflores6031]

I'm a big Mexican fan of your channel. Even without the option of subtitles (which happened with this particular one), I'm able to understand everything you say and that's amazing. I love your clarity and good pace for storytelling. Best wishes to you from afar, Adrian. 🇲🇽👍

[@michaeljames455]

*I am Mexican and a big fan of your channel* the way you wrote it makes it sound like you're an overweight Mexican ceiling fan.

[@Charlotte-and-Georgecom]

I love Mexico & miss it very much (British expat living in France).

[@bibianaflores6031]

@@Charlotte-and-Georgecom my husband and best of men, is British so I'm very fond of your country. So lovely to read something nice about Mexico. Best wishes to you too. 🤗🇲🇽🇬🇧

[@RealElongatedMuskrat]

this comment and the replies are so sweet. My friend from high school is currently working in small restaurants around Mexico (she's a very talented young chef!), so I've been keeping up with her adventures online. What a beautiful country, I'm sorry that international news tends to focus on crime stories about Mexico.

[@bibianaflores6031]

@@RealElongatedMuskrat I'm glad to read the perception you have about Mexico. As any country, we deal with problems but the reality is utterly different from what media says. You'll be always welcome to enjoy all the things Mexico can offer. So weird reading nice comments in a channel of crimes 😁. Big hugs to you. 🤗🇲🇽

[@Cocoandindy]

Poor Komel & Reniah 💔 David sounds delusional, full of his own self importance, controlling, weak, dysfunctional, unable to seek the help he needed.

[@Beefystew101]

Half delusional in my opinion. His beliefs on government are spot on. We don’t need them

[@Libellulaire]

@@Beefystew101 Humans live in society, they have to in order to survive. And societies need some kinds of structure and organisation in order to work or then it's a free-for-all of chaos and violence. Which is why since the dawn of time humans grouped up and had leaders (heck, it's a thing for most animals, not just humans.) The main issue is that governments aren't a just entity, they're made of humans. And humans are full of flaws. They're greedy, full of desires for power and profits, stubborn, controlled by their ambitions and emotions. On top of that, societies got bigger and bigger (due to the ambitions of the leaders), making it impossible to correctly listen and help everybody. Humans need to live in society in order to survive and prosper, but, ironically, living with other humans is also like shooting ourselves in the foot. There's no actual good solutions because humans can think, meaning we all develop different needs, desires and opinions. For wild animals it's easier to live in order and relative peace because they have a dominant-submissive relationship in their group.

[@Atmatan]

@@Libellulaire You're better at making excuses than you are at finding solutions. I dunno man, ask the Iroquois how they did so well managing decentralized peace before colonialism destroyed their culture. We have a lot of frameworks for society yet people like you _choose_ to support the only one proven not to work. I'd rather be a nomad gatherer living off of trash bin scraps than accept your excuses that things can't change.

[@zerotunzend3182]

He sounds like the typical far-right conspiratorial lunatic.

[@trolltrama9780]

Classic clown euro response. Head up your ass (obviously)

[@garydean0308]

I think he did it. The military does a good job getting us ready for war but a terrible job getting us ready for peace. What a tragedy.

[@nikkimclay5474]

very very well said

[@Hollylivengood]

Yes. So yes. They need to make the help a mandatory part of the end of service. Most of my friends are vets, and they say the same as you. One guy put it that he didn't even realize when his thinking was off, because while serving in a combat zone, it was really best if you were that way. So he never sought any of the help available, and wasn't sure how to get it, because no one explained it to him. Now he gets a lot of therapy, and does pretty good, but that's because there's a church group here that walks veterans through the process.

[@grmpEqweer]

Agreed. Edit: treating our former service members like superannuated equipment, this infuriates me.

[@bosunbill9059]

​@@grmpEqweerunforthnately to the US military and the Military Industrial Complex, THEY are supernuated equipment.

[@klyk69]

​@@bosunbill9059that's capitalism for you

[@raindropsandfeathers2245]

Him returning stuff to his friends was a sign.... a lot of people who take their own lives will often pass off items before committing the act. It's so heartbreaking he took his wife and daughter's lives. He definitely suffered from PTSD... did anyone else notice the weird way "forever" was written on the post-it note? Foarevur????

[@jena.alexia]

He might just not have been good at spelling. I've seen worse.

[@carltonthepug]

And? He misspelt the word. No big deal

[@tony9305]

He was actually an intelligent individual so unless it was intentional there's no was to have screwed up "forever" that badly.

[@jenzpad]

We spelled that as an inside joke from “The Sand Lot”

[@belmum1689]

Right he was planning it

[@BrittMFH]

I live in Apple Valley, not far from the house. I recall this being in the news, but NOT the information you put forth. It was generally believed he killed the family and himself. And that's probably what happened. Terrible tragedy. Thank you.

[@carachantler2325]

That’s kind of the point here. You were fed via the media half a story. Im not saying it’s not what happened. But given THESE facts here. It’s absolutely something to consider. It’s not like the government don’t distort the truth ALL the time

[@christinapoisson1501]

He snapped! He did it! 😢

[@christinapoisson1501]

@@carachantler2325 This isn't the first time I've heard about this. I was right up there in Minneapolis when this happened unfortunately. I seen all the graphic pictures and everything that when along with this unfortunate story! I also was in Minneapolis when George Floyd was killed by those jack booted thugs!! I lived on Chicago Ave (same street where he was killed) that's when I came home to South Florida. And they say Florida is a bad state!:

[@jdsteppenzyde]

I lived not too far away, a few blocks closer to Cedar Ave. I loved Apple Valley and if I could live there again, I would in a heartbeat. Just so incredibly, incredibly sad he did this.

[@Macephtopheles]

I have to admit I chuckled on hearing that some posit that the handwriting matches David's because they "chopped David's hand off and used it as a prop to frame him." Because, y'know, your handwriting style is literally contained within your hand. On a similar note, if you cut someone's tongue out and place it in your mouth you'll then talk exactly like them. Should also try getting yourself Ludwig van Beethoven's skeletal fingers and you'll become an instant master on the piano.

[@TheoriginalBillBraskey]

Did they find the hands? Hand writing can be forged. I’m not sure how you confirm that but to mock that part seams a little nieve.

[@Macephtopheles]

@@TheoriginalBillBraskey Obviously handwriting can be forged. But seeing as the claim is that they *LITERALLY* cut off his hand in order to use it *TO* forge his handwriting style then I can mock it because, ironically, you'd need to be more naive than a toddler to have such a ludicrous line of thinking.

[@MsMollah]

@@Macephtopheles Well, maybe in addition to forging his handwriting style they were also thinking that his DNA would be mixed in.

[@rachellong6766]

​@@MsMollahJesus, you wouldn't have to cut off his hands to get his DNA on there. They could have just put the pen in his dead hand for a few minutes. The lengths these conspiracy theorists will go to to make the story fit their narrative is insane! Yeah, the guy didn't flip and murder his family, there's no way that happened! Someone must have broke in, killed them all, hung out in the house for days, staged the whole scene, including cutting off body parts, because THE GOVERNMENT!!! Yes! That's it! Can't just be a sad tragedy and loss of life because of mental health problems, must be someone is out to get him!!

[@technicolorrose5549]

​@@TheoriginalBillBraskeyThe bodies were severely decomposed when found. The hands were not in any condition to be getting prints or anything else. However ..with hand writing.....it is obviously going to look different when writing on paper with a pen versus writing with your fingers in blood. There was a thorough investigation done on this case despite it getting barely any media attention....both David and Komel were very close to their families and the families are not pursuing any other avenues as far as anyone else being the guilty party and there's a reason for that - bc they knew their deceased loved ones better than ANYONE and further were provided ALL the info from the investigation from law enforcement. They (meaning the families and friends) know that the final outcome of the investigation is accurate. There is a whole school of ppl out there that believe this is entirely a coverup but trust me, i have read every bit of info out there available and, as much as I hate to say, David did this. It's incredibly sad & heartbreaking, the whole situation, bc they were SUCH a lovely couple with a beautiful little girl, they were young and could have had a whole life ahead of them. God bless David & Komel & Raniya's families and friends, and all those affected by this tragedy.❤

[@ireniaks]

Great episode. Absolutely horrible crime, it was obvious that his mind was breaking, sad that his wife and daughter had to suffer for it.

[@jovancukic1290]

Paranoid-schyzo and PTSD, but he was under pressure, i think this was one of his episodes... Maybe wife told him she wanted a divorce, it would explain everything...

[@ZombieSazza]

@@jovancukic1290sadly, that would make sense, seen far to many cases where the abused partner/spouse says “I’m leaving” or “I want a divorce” and they get horrifically beaten and barely survive, or just killed. This is why I’ve always believed it’s much safer for the abused spouse to make an escape plan and do it quietly when it’s safe, because abusive men like David tend to get more and more violent.

[@Charlotte-and-Georgecom]

You must leave quietly. I'm not in that situation but if I was I would find it hard to leave as it's simply my house, my mortgage, my everything & to get him to leave physically would be extremely difficult because he'd then know that you want to end the relationship. But if you can, the smallest white flag, plan your escape very very quietly & discreetly.

[@dacarly1330]

The movie sounds like what’s going on now in our world

[@martamcg2393]

Yes!… but it’s a “conspiracy”… nothing to see here… vet has psychotic break.. “controls” his wife end of story…

[@moneycannotbeeaten]

That poor girl. Having a young child at a similar age, her smiles and joyous eyes reminded me so much of my child. Heartbreaking. May she and her Mum rest in peace now and always have peace from now on.

[@SilhouetteSE]

David hated any form of control and worried about his liberties being taken away, while he himself limited his wife's freedoms and decided things for her... I find it odd 🙁

[@fishandchipsupper]

3 5 9, now that's odd! 😊

[@grmpEqweer]

Abusive spouses be like that.

[@jubjub7101]

Narcissism and sociopathic behavior.

[@mrtekbunny]

I don't, that's pretty typical for these types of people.

[@rachael8646]

It doesn't surprise me that after being forced into situations of violence and developing PTSD as a soldier, he developed a lot of issues with the idea of losing control of his life. The fear of loss of control probably influenced both his views on government as well as his abusive behavior.

[@user-cb7pe5zg4b]

Obviously I am a fan of True Crime (you're awesome, by the way) but I feel as though I failed here somehow. I was born in Owatonna, grew up in Minneapolis through the "Murderapolis" years, and continue to live in Minnesota to this day, and I NEVER heard about this one! I plan to dive into it now since I find that extremely odd. Thank you so much for bringing this one to the light!!

[@FreeBird-e4h]

David's story was kept hush hush because certain people didn't want his "Gray State" movie being made. Tptb wanted all David's thoughts, opinions & ideas to go away, asap. Everything he said 15-20 yrs ago, it's all happening B4 our eyes today.

[@melodymiller4870]

​@@FreeBird-e4htptb are obviously doing a great job. With that being said; the events were tragic regardless of how it all transpired. With the particulars of the subject matter of the film; it does create a bit of reasonable doubt. On the other side of the coin is; the PTSD and controlling behaviors. Which, seems to have been the most likely scenario. But, some aren't ruling out MK Ultra programming. But, I'm certain those people are labeled, "Conspiracy Theorists" just like David and a lot of his supporters were/are.

[@evanatkins4928]

The internet is dead. These are all bots.

[@evanatkins4928]

The internet is dead.

[@jeffkettler4712]

I didn't know that his wife was a Muslim and that she had converted to Christianity. Could this possibly be an honor killing?@@melodymiller4870

[@AJeziorski1967]

Got to love the irony of a guy who proclaims himself "all about freedom" who restricts his wife's movements, her friendships and eventually her contact with her own, seriously ill mother and her entire family. The guy was behaving more like a cult leader than a husband. There's no ambiguity about what happened here. Conspiracy theorists will believe what they want to believe, and they'll be wrong.

[@_HimToo]

"...and they'll be wrong." As usual!!! 😆🤷🏻‍♀️

[@lisabelle7553]

You nailed it!

[@MarinkaSea911]

Absolutely! He’s a POS for murdering his family. What a coward 😤

[@M4rt_FX]

Long bow there I think. Many, many men act this way towards their wives, insecurity is the number 1 cause. We could talk about all the times the government has lied and ‘conspiracy theories’ became the truth, history is littered with it. Does it mean the government always lies? No. But you’re a fool to think they don’t. Hence, you can’t pin anyone believing a conspiracy theory as wrong, you’d be an ideologue yourself to suggest so in fact.

[@juanitarichards1074]

She chose to have no contact with them because they didn't accept her leaving Islam to become a Christian.

[@wanderinghistorian]

I know a man who went from a totally adjusted, happy, family man to suicidal in just a month's time. He had invested heavily in what turned out to be an exit scam. When he realized he was financially ruined, he stopped sleeping for over a week - no sleep at all - and went mad with anxiety. All it takes is the right buttons to be pressed and anyone can go mad.

[@beaulieuc8910]

interesting

[@TheDramacist]

Did he succeed at suicide or get help?

[@wolfzmusic9706]

Did he end up getting help in the end?

[@AWJ-zf8cf]

I agree

[@Peekaboooiseeyou]

What you mean by exit scam?

[@halfofmyheart3167]

This was extremely interesting, yet undoubtedly sad. I hope their family & friends are doing as well as can be expected. ♥️

[@COEFFXIV]

The amount of horrifying pictures you had to look through had to take a toll on you, Adrian. This was a masterful episode and one I have to come back and give my conclusive thoughts on the case. Something I've never done. Thank you for doing what you do. I can definitely see this is a passion project for you. Coffeehouse Crime is definitely an inspiration.

[@albertawheat6832]

If you are interested in seeing them, they are linked on my channel In the description on a gray state trailer Plus his journal and autopsy reports.

[@Kanyeschnepp]

Agree with this wholeheartedly. He is awesome.

[@Clleonie]

​@@albertawheat6832send me the link pretty please.

[@johnsabin3315]

I'm not going to say what I think about this case because just by reading the comments that are here already I can tell you've got most of the people that just believe what their told... that being said I don't think Hollywood or anyone in any position of power would have let this film get made...

[@usernametooshort8036]

This man had a psychotic break due to various life instances and decided that he would take his family with him. It's very sad because he was so controlling that he had to control their death as well. Such a tragedy. May their souls rest in peace.

[@monl3807]

I agree

[@hannahp1108]

He didn't have a psychotic break. He knew what he was doing

[@jenniferbailey5914]

David accused others of what he did himself. I believe he was not only damaged from his service but had narcissistic tendencies. When narcissists don’t get what they want they are capable of anything….yes….even murder. So sad for his wife and child.

[@violagentsch]

👍

[@violagentsch]

And whining.

[@Mownees]

Narcissistic tendencies n actually being narcissistic are 2 different things. In fact everyone in the world has some sort of narcissistic tendency/ies. It’s very ignorant to say that he was a narcissist because narcissists are not like this. Yes he showed tendencies but that doesn’t mean he was a full narcissist. It seems to me that he was jus mentally broken n consumed by his work from all the stress n etc., n as the video states, he slowly was worn down day by day. Till eventually all that stress n negative thoughts caused him to make an impulsive decision n kill his whole family including himself. Please educate yourself n learn to say things that are true instead of wat u think might be true.

[@goblin-night]

@@Mownees Good point. I see the words "narcissism" and "psychopath" tossed around like confetti and the pop psychology pap that comes along for the ride muddies the waters to a high degree.

[@jeanbeans7926]

@@goblin-night All true. But the bit about how controlling he was with his wife by cutting her off from friends and family and even recording her conversations with her girlfriends. What was all that then?

[@skreemqueen7520]

Excellent work , Adrian as always. I hope Nero has recovered nicely from his surgery. This is such a heart wrenching case. I hope they all can now rest in peace. My sympathy to the families.

[@gingerbee98]

Him returning things to others before the killings rang a bell - a friend of mine did this prior to taking her own life in the 90s.

[@Peace-tk3gr]

That is always a bad sign ☹️

[@beaulieuc8910]

yes, it is a pattern that they do that, need to sort out their paperwork

[@gingerbee98]

@@beaulieuc8910 You're so right. We found out she'd paid all her bills and had disconnected her utilities. She'd been to my house the night before wanting to retrieve a book she'd lent me but I was out of town. RIP Sharon 🙏

[@cherylwest9538]

My ex did this, he gave some things to a close friend befor his suicide

[@gingerbee98]

@@cherylwest9538 🙏💜

[@roberthiltz2741]

I had never heard this story before, very interesting and tragic. To anyone reading this and struggling with PTSD, paranoia or depression: please speak with a counselor or licensed therapist for the good of yourself and your family. Thank you. Great video

[@RoxyR_LA562]

I have never heard of this story either

[@laylaosman4875]

It’s always a red flag when your partner tries to keep u away from family and monitors your friend group! Sad sad case may the innocent souls rest in peace 🙌🏼🥺

[@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203]

Not really. She's an immigrant and could get tricked by ill intentioned people.

[@roxxi3089]

@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 yeah like her husband lmao, from her ending it looks like she could have better luck befriending a beggar

[@rudra62]

@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 Second generation, from immigrant parents. She'd be far more likely to be tricked by ill-intentioned people while isolated like that. And... she was! Her husband!

[@JB-bm1to]

​@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203what a crock. The only person she was tricked by was her ill-intentoned narcissist, family annihilator of a husband.

[@morgan79737]

A friend recommended me to view your channel as I'm a big consumer of True Crime, and this is the first video I've watched so far, and wow: your coverage is absolutely fantastic and very rarely do I find a case I haven't heard about, but this is one of them. Kudos, subbed.

[@hypercube8792]

He believed so strongly in freedom for himself yet none for his wife. Make it make sense.

[@weezieyo]

Misogyny! **jazz hands**

[@matthewklassen7457]

I can make it make sense. he was an Americunt. Americunts all require their life to be perfect while fucking over every other Americunt around them. Americunts can never be wrong! Every Americunt is like a corrupt cop... enforcing rules on others, but never themselves!!

[@17thknight]

Right wingers believe freedom begins and ends at themselves

[@TheSnHIMshow]

The main issue with extremism

[@numetalhistorian]

Okay Annie

[@piranhasaurusrex]

I can't imagine what David would have thought if he had lived through Covid. Damn, what a tragedy what happened to his wife and daughter. It breaks my heart what he did to them.

[@krisk7676]

You do realize that COVID has existed since the 60s. There are different versions of COVID.

[@krisk7676]

@@samr1013truth hurts haha 😂

[@bm-ww8kb]

@@krisk7676 youre exhausting. yes we know covid is an umbrella term for the wide range of viruses that fall within the category assigned for those specific types. youre not intellectually superior to anyone offering clarification no one needed. when he says "living through covid" he pretty obviously refers to the time period of the global quarantines due to the pandemic from 2020 - 2023. i hope youre all caught up now hun

[@thestraydog]

@@krisk7676 You're like a caricature of the average Redditor. "Um ACKSHUALLY..."

[@kingrama2727]

@@krisk7676you know what she was talking about you d0rk… you’re trying to be smart and you made yourself look foolish

[@giomar89]

Commenting halfway just to say I'm already amazed at the care, respect, and balance with which you're covering a case that looks like it's gonna end very, very badly

[@thealmightyjack]

I am an acquaintance of a family member of David's and we talked a bit about what happened after the documentary about what happened was aired on TV several years back. You'll have to watch it to get the family's thoughts on it and they've been largely silent because it's not something they want to keep getting dragged up in. They've tried to move on from it. They don't blame David, he needed help. Help that the US government refuses to give the families of Vets after they force people to commit war crimes or leave them to die in a foreign country. There isn't a grand conspiracy that ended their lives, but the government played the lead role in creating this tragedy. A lot of the comments show that people quite frankly don't understand PTSD, especially from war and are merely obsessed with making snide remarks about how "controlling" David was.

[@realist7239]

LIAR !

[@myceliumlung]

You can be riddled with PTSD and still be controlling. A diagnosis does not excuse a behaviour

[@DigitalCleaner]

BULLSHIT you didn't know him or talk to his family! Explain how David was missing a hand that was never found. Also his daughter's head was missing. Try looking into the real facts of this case. There was no way he committed suicide. FUCKING LIES! He was too close to the truth of their plans in that movie. CIA bot here folks

[@noelvoss6744]

It's very sad how our government treats it's vets. I've had plenty of friends and family in the service. They don't get the help they need. However, it obviously isn't an excuse for murder if he did it. He should've sought help, unfortunately. It's so tragic, all around.

[@ralexarich40]

And they might be missing the whole damn point especially the obvious of what's going on now right infront of our eyes. Things are unfolding and folks are programmed and to ignorant of reality. Research facts!! Stay prayed up!

[@babs0944]

This case was dark & sad for me. I do believe David possibly had a severe mental breakdown to a point where he committed familicide. You did a great job on this story! Thank you Adrian!!

[@chickenapplepie3141]

Omg 40 minutes long AND it's not 90% interrogation footage with no commentary?? God I love your videos so much. Thank you for the effort in giving SO much background to events and shining a light on not as well known happenings. The focus on the victims as well, thank you so so much.

[@asmokeus]

you don't have to disparage other channels' content here just because it's not your preference. adrian's style is already very markedly different and has never been like that. i don't see any reason why someone would make that remark here, where it's fully irrelevant, other than to demean channels like dreading. that's uncalled for.

[@olga1231]

@@asmokeus plus dreading is great too

[@cas7698]

​​@@asmokeusNo one even mentioned channels names here, only you. and I have to agree with OP, most channels are literally interrogation footage with little commentary. There's nothing wrong with stating this channel is doing better than others in that aspect. There's also nothing wrong with having a different preference than others and expressing that.

[@chickenapplepie3141]

@@asmokeus I like how you called out channels yourself. I love and prefer how this channel does things simple as that and I wanted to express what I like about this channel. No sarcasm, to each their own. You enjoy that more power to you. I don't see why you're taking what I like about this channel as a personal offense.

[@estherhelbig]

​@@chickenapplepie3141Some people just love to argue. I agree with your first comment and wish you a great summer! Greetings from Germany!

[@mikalaiho]

Been literally waiting for the past 3 hours or so… 😂 I’m so spoiled by your videos, regularly released and always filled to the brim (of the coffee cup) with interesting facts and well documented stories. Thanks for another one! It’s truly fascinating to hear about yet another painful family tragedy. Keep it up! ❤

[@sophiapde9369]

I love Coffee house Crime. I learn so much about human tragedy watching this channel. Thank you to the team-its a service to humankind. Keep telling these crime stories. My opinion on this case? he was driven to utter despair and killed everyone and himself. He took out his anger on the persons who loved him the most-his family.

[@TheTaylorwailer]

Any sympathy I had for him vanished with the description of how he treated his wife.

[@jennacided6502]

For real, it's not a stretch to say he was emotionally abusive. He cut her off from her friends and loved ones so he could feel like a bigger man, only to brutally murder her and their poor daughter. He didn't even respect his wife enough posthumously not to finger-pint with her fucking blood. What a vile man.

[@laurastuart3814]

He was mentally ill.

[@belmum1689]

So it wasn't that he murdered a 5 yr old

[@aromaladyellie]

@@laurastuart3814people are quick to say that it doesn’t matter and isn’t an “excuse”. Even if the person is manic and not in control of their actions as I suspect was the case here. I strongly suspect he thought he was protecting his wife. People who are THIS anti-government are ultra-paranoid. He might have even thought it wasn’t *really* her family but the government at the peak of his abuse. Yea it’s still abuse but his actions to me suggest his paranoia was eating him alive.

[@garylewellen4241]

Adrian you definitely have a unique and special way about you. Being fair, compassionate, and understanding just to name a few of your attributes.

[@absinthean]

This was a few houses down from my step-dad’s house at the time. I remember hearing about it when my mom moved in but definitely didn’t know all these details. Somehow it’s even more heartbreaking than I had thought. Thank you for sharing!

[@cheeselewoo4825]

My thanks to you Adrian for covering this tragedy in such a clear and informative way. I feel heart sorry for them all 😟

[@requiredparticular6831]

I think it was murder suicide and the writing makes it almost look like a halter skelter “bring on what you’re so blind to” kind of thing. I just can’t stop thinking about that poor little girl who didn’t get to enjoy life.

[@Altearithe]

So... I'm a local. Literally live 5-9 minutes away from the family's house in a neighboring city, and I remember this case. I didn't expect to see this case covered, but I'm glad you did. It's definitely one of the ones that sticks to your mind, but I do remember that the local news didn't really cover it for long.

[@martamcg2393]

That’s concerning… it all seems a little neat and tidy to me and convenient

[@chamber8234]

@@martamcg2393it always is

[@bonerprime4010]

See you soon 👹

[@korivex742]

@@martamcg2393 Agreed

[@Altearithe]

@@martamcg2393 the whole case itself? yep. and no one talks about it these days from what I can tell.

[@hanyuuhiiragi3544]

Destigmatizing mental illnesses and disorders again I see. Despite the morbid and tragic content you upload, you're making my faith in humanity hold on. It's something that needs to be done, and I didn't expect a true crime channel to do that. I'm too used to watching shows like that that simply gloss over those factors or treat it like those who have them could end up doing the same things as Crowley, if not worse. I can't say it enough. Thank you, Adrian.

[@zalvafiggy7838]

I became obsessed with this story when I first read about it. It was a brutal heartless way of killing his wife and daughter which I don't think he was capable of doing. Hope to see more of this.

[@JL4ever]

He flat out refused to go back to war and kill other innocent unknown people yet people think he would end the lives of his own wife and child?? NOT A CHANCE!! It's awfully convenient how the dead have no way of defending themselves!

[@grumpypoof9648]

​​@@JL4everYeah because people's mental states dont change over time or after significant trauma/stress. Plus all he had to do was say it and thats enough for you eh?😅😅 Put your tinfoil back on. Your brain is falling out.

[@SanguiphiliaTV]

He absolutely did it. He couldn’t take his failure and had to bring his family down with him.

[@JoseGonzalas]

Yeah. JFK shot himself too eh.

[@nlwilson4892]

Giving away possessions or suddenly giving back everything you've borrowed is a suicide indicator. So, absolutely what happened here.

[@Zoulz666]

What a beautiful family... such a sad tale.😢Clearly a case of untreated mental health issues left unchecked.

[@gucci3541]

she was crazy for not leaving him.

[@ekramer2478]

@@gucci3541 She was terrified and trapped.

[@ZombieSazza]

@@gucci3541she was likely terrified of her violent husband and too afraid to leave him, let’s not call her “crazy” for living in fear

[@gucci3541]

@@ZombieSazza she had a job and still stayed with him. she knew he was insane.crazy people do not react to danger.

[@gucci3541]

@@ekramer2478 she could have move to her parents. instead, she stopped communicating with sick mother. she was stupid.

[@zombiechicken7114]

His wife and daughter look so lovely and fun. He broke them down and took their freedom then their lives. He should have got help for his ptsd and cherished what he had.

[@LynnAgain83]

If only it was THAT easy! 😮‍💨🤦‍♀️

[@WeezyJeffersonYo]

Not really. You can tell by videos that Komel was smitten with him. She always seemed bubbly and happy. She could have done much better than her choice of mate, honestly.

[@wafflesaucey]

Raniya was really quiet and shy, but sweet nonetheless.

[@zact4289]

I love your videos Adrian. As a UK born Pakistani female, you told this story in a respectful and balanced manner. Keep doing what you are doing, this is definitely your calling.

[@Grimaldo354]

I believe he had a mental break and killed his family. His odd behavior like writing on the walls was manic behavior. With his history, stress, pressure, issues with family, and paranoia, its the perfect recipe for what happened.

[@DeezN00tz99]

@@bintz100 you can be mentally ill and it not be an "excuse", them stating such doesnt excuse anything

[@TheShoshie10]

the clip shown here of David speaking--it seemed a if he was manic and there was a stare n his eyes that looked off

[@lunayoshi]

I was thinking his symptoms of depression, possible mania, and paranoia made him a contender for Schizoaffective Disorder. It's not an excuse, it's a possible explanation, that's all. People in other comments are arguing about it a lot. All we can do is theorize, and I'm okay with that. I guess other people aren't.

[@lessthanonegaming]

​@@bintz100you're ignorant asf

[@lumi6945]

thats what I'm thinking

[@kavi212]

I hate that some people want to almost excuse his behavior because he was a vet and had PTSD. He sounds like a classic abuser to me, all the hallmarks of it, he just happened to also have PTSD. And it’s nothing new that people stay in these dangerous relationships until they’re killed. So sad

[@JimmySpaceandtheLegionnaires]

It doesn't take PTSD to make an asshole an asshole. It just changes how said assholery expresses itself.

[@pc3340]

Eh. No evidence of that. People with PTSD can become abusers after the fact. There isn’t an excuse either way. Only reasons as to what happened.

[@SimplyAustins]

The diagnosis of PTSD isn't due to some rage, control or "negative" behaviour. The key diagnosis is a BIG change in themself. Example, someone who spent every day outside, socialising now remains locked in and vice versa. Someone who is violent, now hates blood or physical contact and again vice versa. These behaviours can change over time, negative and positive. I'm not sure if this man was officially diagnosed and I do not excuse his actions for one second. But if it was PTSD that in itself is a contradiction as to what you stated. It's by no means your fault, there should be more awarenes of this so hopefully it may save more lives and futures. Heart breaking what happened there. RIP to them all, especially the wife and child.

[@Moon_x_sun]

@@SimplyAustinsI have ptsd and yes, ptsd changes you drastically, and definitely isn’t an excuse but can be apart of the reason as to why it happened

[@BigPurp9]

Anyone who willingly joins the military is either an idiot or mentally unwell. He seemed relatively intelligent so that’s the only reason I’d agree with the ptsd shout

[@catlady5359]

So many thoughts about this tragedy. David likely killed his family and himself given the fact that he returned things to friends and seemed suddenly calm and happy. These are common signs of suicidal intentions. It sounds like their world just contracted into a very insular and tight place in their house alone and isolated. David could have become more delusional and depressed and pulled his wife into the same state. It’s not surprising that he ended all of their lives within this isolation. It’s possible his wife was over it and wanted to leave, but she seemed very committed to him so I don’t know if she would have actually told him that or considered it. Their little girl was so adorable and affectionate. It’s awful that David believed that they all had to die. He definitely fits the family annihilator profile. His soul was wounded by the horrors of war and he tried to express some of that pain in his filmmaking; when that work seemed to fall apart I think David’s efforts to control his pain through controlling the narrative and his wife just broke into pieces. I think he no longer felt that he could survive and make sense of the world. Shame was likely a factor, too. Many men don’t know how to deal with perceived failure and emotional pain. That’s at the heart of the family annihilator’s despair. I hope their families are finding healing and peace of their own after such a tragic loss. 😢 Thanks for sharing this story, Adrian.

[@nelitasciretta7101]

The thing that I keep thinking about is how when he was forced into his last tour, he refused to "kill" anyone else, so was delegated to non-combat duties. Makes you wonder what could have possibly happened to cause him to kill his own family.

[@susand4424]

He didn't...

[@AmorDivino-e5q]

​@@susand4424Exactly,he was a loving husband and dad. He didn't killed his beloved family. Gray State was a threat to government,and we know what happens to those who openly disclose how government works.

[@justmeagain7]

​​@@AmorDivino-e5qHe was another guy with PTSD, another conspiracy theorist saying "I know it all" because he was sent to war among thousands of others, without any kind of important decision making roll. "A threat to the government" is somebody like Edward Snowden, for example. This family anhiliator wasn't as important or knowledgeable as you want to believe.

[@JB-bm1to]

​@@AmorDivino-e5qoh wow, so all of this was a lie? He never controlled his wife or monitored her or anything like that? Should we report this video for being a lie?

[@Smyridon]

@@JB-bm1to How would you know that it was truth? Would you guarantee with your property, or your life, that this presentation was objective and truthful? You like that dude, and you trust "authorities"?

[@ElSantoLuchador]

I think it’s a stretch to think this guy was important enough to be a target of the government. He was mostly dangerous in his own mind.

[@MarinkaSea911]

Haha that’s exactly what I was thinking! He was a nobody, the government doesn’t target nobodies

[@asdfghjklim5662]

yeah all he did was make videos but they didnt garner so much attention to raise a red flag with government officials

[@Kisha_can]

Absolutely. His theories are mainstream today, and we're hardly groundbreaking back then.

[@Lawrance_of_Albania]

@@MarinkaSea911 Ordenery people in the USSR where tortured (if accused) and than shiped to gulag or killed on spot. Why do you think US goverment would be any kinder, why, beacouse of democracy?

[@iclite3656]

Then you don't know about Aaron Swartz? Now, they didn't take him out, but Obama ruined his life to the point that he took his own self out. He also had similar views about the gov as this man. There's also the story of the soldier Private Needham.💯Facts and truth. So, I wouldn't think that if I were you, js. GOD is awesome💯🥰🤍

[@alexishall1209]

I’ve always thought it was a murder suicide. Thank you for covering this case! It’s one of my obsessions and you’re absolutely correct - there’s very little coverage on it out there. I think this story is so important because of the ways mental health, social media/the internet, and political extremism converged in a way that proved fatal. Great video!

[@amandaleigh6305]

This is going to sound awful and I apologize but I don't care what he went through, nothing gives him a good reason to kill that little girl.. or her mother for that matter.

[@MarinkaSea911]

It doesn’t sound awful, he’s a monster for what he did. Many people have PTSD and many people suffer from mental disabilities and they don’t go around murdering their wife and child

[@BexlarsIRL]

I totally agree, he had a responsibility to get help for his mental health issues, if not for his sake then for the sake of his wife and child.

[@Lauriej117]

Why do you think that sounds awful? Regardless of what David went through, he had no excuse to harm/murder anyone. Instead of getting the mental health treatment he really needed, he continued on a mentally unstable path that ended in a horrific way for David’s family. As for David, who cares???🤨

[@horsepanther]

Why would that sound awful?? I think pretty much everyone would agree with you.

[@Persephone715]

Good Lord. The lack of empathy and education when it comes to mental health is just astounding. My advice would be to spend less time in the KZbin comment section and go out and volunteer with the mentally ill. We always need volunteers like myself and my sister. Then maybe people might have a better understanding. That's what we need. More educated people in the field and less knee jerk reactions from people with no experience.

[@shaneb6210]

Best crime story I've literally ever watched..... So filled with real life misinformation

[@missywink1504]

When he allowed his wife to see her friends, he made her record her conversations?! He's an abuser, and definitely killed his family and himself. I'm glad his dog ate him. R.I.P. to his wife and daughter.

[@brennuvargr4638]

So much for being pro freedom...

[@CashelOConnolly]

@marooshfs1life is full of what if’s,we can all mirror our own thoughts and beliefs onto something but that doesn’t make them facts. Why would a government agency bother to kill the child? Also I truly believe they’ve got more important things to do than murder a failing film maker‼️

[@westexon975]

​@marooshfs1If the "government" wanted a clean coverup, so the world wouldn't "wake up," they'd stage a drunk driving accident, a hiking fall, a freak accident, etc. They wouldn't slaughter the whole family, paint the walls in blood, and create a "mystery" around a would-be martyr. This guy's every move, especially the family isolation, is clear as day annihilator behavior.

[@westexon975]

​@marooshfs1And last note on targeting someone questioning "the state" or government: There are many more docs, a plethora of similar films and genres, and bigger conspiracy theory directors than him. Why would a government target him and none of the others? Wouldn't this be endemic across the USA? It's not. Because he did it.

[@franambrose8667]

I thought the same. Classic abuser behavior.

[@Monique-iz8lp]

The thing that stands out to me the most is the fact that the dog survived. If this was meant to be a professional coverup, I don't see the dog living. Barking attracts way too much attention, alerts the family and neighbors, and if you get bitten, you might leave DNA behind.

[@Jerm-Digs]

Just to play devil's advocate, if he loved his dog he wouldn't want it to potentially starve. Again, just a counterargument, not a claim.

[@eriidz]

@@Jerm-DigsI don’t think it would starve 😕 tbh I haven’t watched the video yet so I still don’t know the context. But a fact that’s stuck with me for a long time is that if left in a home with a deceased, cats will start feeding off of it faster than dogs would but ultimately they would feed off of it

[@bunnyb1599]

@@Jerm-Digs It didn't starve, it ate their bodies. Adrian says it in the video.

[@iwatchtoomuchtruecrime]

@@eriidzwe need to make a rule where you can’t comment until you watch the video 🤦‍♀️

[@Jerm-Digs]

@@bunnyb1599 right, but the suspect wouldnt willfully allow that. I'm sure he wasnt like, "when fido gets hungry, he can just nibble on my face. Common sense escapes people I suppose

[@EA-xp7hm]

When you said ‘this could be a cover up by the government’ 😭 you trying to remain impartial is quite sweet. Great video!

[@StormcrowETC]

He was trying not to piss off the idiots. Lmao

[@zoegartham312]

@@StormcrowETC Good luck with that. Idiots will get pissed at anything. And after writing this response, I may just be provoking them further. Ah well. Here's hoping it promotes a legitimate discussion and not a flame/hate war. While I haven't scrolled extensively through the comments, I do find it interesting that everything I have seen has focused primarily on the latter part of the video and what he did (or potentially didn't) do. I've yet to see anything on the political side of things, which on the one hand is good, but 9 years later, this country has arguably gotten worse. I'm pretty much a pacifist myself-I say pretty much because I've honestly never been in a situation in my adult life where I've been tempted to use violence to solve it. I'd like to think that, even if we were in a "Purge" situation (the movie) or some other evil thing happened, I'd still not become violent towards others, but I don't honestly know. I don't condone violence though, and I have sworn an oath to myself to not pass the circle of violence, hate, racism, and fear on to the next generation. I may only be one individual, but it dies with me. Having said that though, I find myself more than a little scared because I do consider myself to be progressive when it comes to politics. I've had many a thought over the last few years... lets call it since 2016 or so... that we desperately need major reform in all areas of the political arena. Congress is far too old in my opinion, as is the Supreme Court, and heck, even Biden is too old to realistically run again. Then there's the corruption that is rampant throughout the system, money in politics, way too many judicial decisions that punish people differently for the same crime to reasonably say that there isn't a racial bias in the courts... I could go on. Further, I do believe that we SHOULD rise up against this corruption and restore the government to what it should be. To quote the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." I do not and will not condone violence, and we have shown in the past that changes can be made without resorting to bloodshed. Rosa Parks and Martin Luthor King Jr. are two individuals who come to mind that have done just that. It's just scary, hearing Adrian talk about David's political views and I'm like... we should have done that years ago. Again, I would emphasize doing it as non-violently as possible, ideally with no blood having to be shed at all.

[@jovankariveroi513]

I hope Ñero recovers quickly. Thank you for another great video!

[@PlaymateTessiNumberOneFan]

One part, I was confused about, How is making a TV series (instead of a movie) Considered a failure? If that was me, I would have taken that deal in a heartbeat

[@minniewinnie4868]

In the 90s and early 2000, TV series were only filmed if the story wasn't good enough. He grew up with this stereotype. Nowadays TV series are really successful and more liked than a film.

[@horsepanther]

@@minniewinnie4868 Good point. TV used to be considered kind of like the minor leagues while movies were the major leagues. Still, he supposedly was all about spreading this message that he considered so critical for all Americans to know about, and TV would have absolutely accomplished that, so I think his ego got the better of him. Although he also obviously had serious mental health issues that probably played a big role.

[@vespermartini2556]

40 minute video is like a mini documentary, awesome.

[@CoffeehouseCrime]

I really enjoyed covering this story!

[@marcdraco2189]

@@CoffeehouseCrime One of your best to date.

[@Blanche-ranch]

It’s documentary length if you think it in terms of cable tv

[@discordye4825]

You can tell when Adrian is into a case cause he does the deep dive. Not that all his cases aren't very well composed with facts and his quirkiness. But when he's really into it he goes the extra mile. Fine work, mate.

[@NorthernSouthside]

​@@CoffeehouseCrimegiggity

[@Jdubbydrops]

Born and raised here in Minnesota. Also been a Coffeehouse Crime viewer for almost 2 years. I almost forgot about this case and I really enjoyed this unique angle on what happened. Also cool to see you describe a little back history on MN. You do a great job man. In real time the news made it seem like a depressed suburban husband that took his family with him over financial burdens. I don't remember them going into his suspected radical ideology or his PTSD from war. A small piece of me wants to believe that his actions were a last effort to gain traction to his film stirring up controversy over the murders that were committed to look like a government cover up to hide the truth he believed he was telling. Great video.

[@jayeharrison4533]

I’m originally from Austin. As soon as this stream said that he was interviewed by Alex Jones, I knew exactly how messed up this man was.

[@matthewlavalle5986]

He does an absolutely great job. Me and my girlfriend listen to all his stuff so it was interesting to hear one from here in Minny. Great factual back story as usual.

[@byronfoppola8676]

Yes, David pushed the government conspiracy fulfilling his desire to spread the message in a last ditch attempt by killing his family and wanting it to appear that the government did it.

[@tdillonaniawhitaker1200]

I truly love your case coverage . There are really only two content creators I love You and Mike from that chapter. Your time and work is appreciated, sir ❤

[@PazuzuM666]

Mike's awesome. I like 10 to life with Annie elise too!

[@tdillonaniawhitaker1200]

@@PazuzuM666 I like 10 to life as well . Daniella kirsty is awesome as well .

[@jessicapeace3981]

Just thought lounge, high time crime, and the crime atlas are good ones to check out if you enjoy Adrian and Mike!

[@itsjeninMass]

I love That Chapter!

[@hinaali5051]

Today i was going through KZbin and clicked to this story for which i waited so long. Thanks for sharing this heartbreaking story. I hv read more than 10 times bt wanted to watch your vlog. 👍🏻

[@jeynjohnston8085]

May the woman, her daughter, and the dog be in peace forever ❤

[@tanyaroberson9629]

I thought they said the dog lived.

[@Asidelove]

​@@tanyaroberson9629after eating flesh... probably got put down tbh

[@duchessofhazjack4878]

@@Asidelove That makes no sense. Anyone would've done the same.

[@Asidelove]

@@duchessofhazjack4878 well a dog and a human aren't the same thing. When dohs get the taste for flesh it's hard to rehab that. Most of the time they are put down

[@duchessofhazjack4878]

@@Asidelove Ahh fair enough, I didn't know that. That's really sad considering it was just using it's survival instinct and lost it's owners too :( strange how the killer left the dog alone and strange it didn't whine/howl and alert people in the subsequent days. Strange neighbours didn't notice no one coming out for 3 weeks!

[@JackArcherX]

This one reminds me a lot of Chris Benoit's case. Even now, 16 years after his crimes, there's tons of people who still mantain that he didn't do it and who keep coming up with increasingly convoluted theories on what really happened, mostly just so they can still support the man without carrying all the horrible stuff he did.

[@ddjsoyenby]

yup despite the overwhelming evidence pointing to him.

[@Tampafan33]

@@ddjsoyenbythere’s plenty evidence against it to but you morons that never actually looked into the case and do real research will just blatantly lie

[@Tampafan33]

@@danielx555you used the phrase trump Beliefs. Nothing you say has validity

[@HollerMa71]

​@@danielx555What exactly are "Trump beliefs"?! 😂 ...Like, they really believed that Trump Tower exists, or what?

[@DR3ADER1]

@@ddjsoyenby Benoit's case was more complex than "military man who distrusts the very government who sent him to a fucked war they were going to lose anyway or fuck up in ways beyond the realms of any coherent analysis proceeds to go apeshit and kills himself, his wife, daughter and his dog", especially considering that his brain was scanned and it revealed that not only did he have Advanced CTE, his brain was also more on par with an 80-year-old Dementia sufferer. However, I completely understand why you hold this position, because it's the same position that New Jack held, as New Jack also had CTE and was a functional addict and yet he despises men who beat women owing to his violent upbringing and issues with authority and Paternal Father Figures. Because Adrian (the uploader of this very video) was unnecessarily soft on Benoit, as a matter of fact, Adrian was also unwarrantedly soft on McSkillet, who was a fucking murdering cunt who killed a mother and her child because he couldn't prey on people's problems with gambling anymore.

[@idellekell]

The guy wants to talk about "liberty", but doesn't allow his wife to leave the house or have friends?? Awesome 🙄

[@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203]

Then she could cheat on him, her friends will start badmouthing him, etc Not everyone wants to deal with that shit.

[@Alejojojo6]

He is simply afraid of the outside world, he saw it as something dangerous thus why he didnt want her wife to be out there as well because it was dangerous.

[@ericaexplainsitall2135]

@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 I hope youre not condoning that behavior.

[@iamlinda100]

@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 don't try to justify his actions, and you don't know that she'd cheat, not everyone is a cheater. This man was a disgusting abuser

[@iamlinda100]

@@Alejojojo6 don't try to justify this guy's disgusting abusive and manipulative behavior.

[@optiksnipegaming9720]

"Memories that are suppressed, can still silently cause havoc in the background" This is very true

[@Superiorsouthshorewoods]

Ti's too true, friend.

[@christelleleeuw2305]

Have never heard of this case - thanks for covering it! Very interesting. Greetings from South Africa 🇿🇦

[@hannesk1455]

Eks ook mal oor die videos 😂😂

[@carrieeawbrey2830]

Truly tragic case. You covered it spectacularly. I have not heard of this and yet it’s so intriguing I wonder how it didn’t get more attention. Thanks Adrian for bringing this case to light. I hope the families feel some peace somehow. And I hope Nero continues to recover well. Much ♥️& all the best all.

[@9catlover]

i really feel for kamal's family. Her poor mother knowing her daughter was brain washed and died by by husband's doing.

[@emilymulcahy]

Komel*

[@boricua1123]

​@@emilymulcahykamel*

[@emilymulcahy]

@@boricua1123 no, komel, "Komel Crowley was a registered dietitian who, like her husband, mostly worked from their Apple Valley home." Research before you prove your stupidity

[@aq1184]

She was what we Pakistani Muslims refer to as a غدار کسبی

[@emilymulcahy]

@@aq1184 yeah, like that's understandable if you don't speak that language...

[@Fmanzo10]

Just because someone is crazy, doesn’t mean they’re wrong about everything. Something to think about..🤷🏻‍♂️

[@whoisharo4689]

You know what... please take it from me who has been frustrated and jaded in both the music and art industry. For over two decades, I've been so close to the taste of massive success and that first huge paycheck and I've lost it all, over and over again through both denial letters and powerful executives in suits. I've been in a band that was very talented and nearly signed to a major label but then turned down because of other people's screw-ups. I've also worked hours upon hours on paintings which got denied in the end. Failure after failure both big and small. To see David put in 4 years of work into a film which actually had potential to be picked up but then denied at the end - I would have lost my marbles too. It's a terrible feeling. I've felt it. He should have taken that TV series option but some would say that it would be considered selling out. The fact that he said no to it shows you how passionate he was about his work. That much more reason to believe that he definitely lost his mind in the end. It was such a giant failure in his mind that he saw it as impossible to try again. So sad.

[@paxsmile]

Isolating a partner and/or any family members is a sure sign of an abuser.

[@kimberlyhood4095]

She was just as involved as he was in the film and if you've seen their home video's she was becoming delusional and thought there was ghost's or something in their home. They played off of each other, their videos becoming more and more bizarre.

[@PsychoKittee1]

This had to be a very difficult case to dive into. Thank you for bringing it to light. I'd never heard of it. As difficult as it is to imagine, I truly believe that some people just snap.

[@Saddam-london]

He was absolutely Spot on .He knew what we didn’t know-COVID 19. He was very intelligent person ❤ May he rest in peace ❤❤

[@PatcAnn]

This is absolutely insane that someone who believed so strongly about freedom took all of his wife's away . I mean having to record every conversation is wild and beyond comprehension to me. Sad story but great job at telling it.

[@laurastuart3814]

He was mentally ill.

[@rudra62]

He sounds quite misogynistic. Freedom was only for men - probably limited to white men.

[@LilySaintSin]

​@@laurastuart3814people really will do anything except go to therapy.

[@primesspct2]

My heart goes out to both families, I am so sorry for your losses.

[@sgervais123]

This story unfortunately makes me think of my brother. He cut ties with our family after his wife was acting very hostile. My brother just went along with anything his wife did even her toxic and abusive behavior towards our family. Me and my family believes something bad is going to happen to him.

[@horsepanther]

That is really sad.

[@AiydnnCantu]

Yoo don't send him this video 😮😢

[@annc.3908]

Maybe you’re the toxic ones.. My husband doesn’t like his home wrecking whore mother… his family lives in a bunch of locations and no one gets together. So?? People who have to work for a living sometimes don’t spend their only free time with extending family.

[@mom.left.me.at.michaels9951]

You should keep reaching out on occasion. Let him know that you love him and will always have a safe place with the family. He may eventually realize the horrible situation he's in and if he doesn't feel like he has anywhere to escape too, he may feel like he is stuck there regardless. Even if he doesn't reply the first 1000 times, it may still be the only way he can retain hope and not let her completely isolate him. (Not trying to tell you how to live, but I have been in a similar situation and a dear friend who would just not let go, literally saved my life and was the only reason I am here today, be strong and good luck ❤️)

[@sunnyboknow]

If he ever get a backbone, it will.

[@Dr.Gunsmith]

They say the dog ate the hands…but Iv also watched a expert say he thinks they got cut off. Something sketchy happened if this is the case.

[@JL4ever]

Awfully convenient story of dog eating them if you ask me!

[@howardmckenna]

I've had friends that have gone quit mad by falling down conspiracy rabbit holes. I can only imagine how bad it could become with a dose of PTSD and underlying mental issues.

[@wulfsorenson8859]

Judging by what happened 10 years later I certainly wouldn’t describe David as a ‘conspiracy theorist’.

[@maninthemask6275]

People dismiss conspiracy theories so much not because they don’t believe but because they need to believe it to keep their lazy life style David was 100% right on that.

[@wulfsorenson8859]

@@maninthemask6275 what David said was literally prophetic! It remains to be seen if his prediction about a civil war will transpire. But judging by the increasing political divide in the country and government over reach it would not suprise me.

[@relight6931]

Yeah. It was never easier. With algorythms serving you videos based on your preference, all it takes is one whacky one to have a whole list of collaborating ones.. You slip into echo chamber so easy.. From 2015-2018 I fell into imminant climate catastrophe, that predicted that by now, 2023 we would already have billions of ecological refugees.. Basicly the end of our civilisation. I still don't think we will pull it through, since Capitalism caused it and I don't see this all powerful economic system going anywhere. Also hoping that'll capitalism will solve the very same problem of suicidal trajectory, that capitalism caused is naive. Neither I see much chance of changing it. .. but at least I don't plan to panic before Article stays ice free during winter.. But, just imagine being absolutely convinced that you maybe have 5 more years of normal-ish world. It would be so easy to just take that as excuse to just give in to all your vices, and live it up.. That's when I found out that even though I have been OK with my own mortality and all those who I love, I was very much not OK with our world turning into Mad Max by 2050.. Also had enough common sense and knowledge to make a safer bet of trying to live like there could be 20-30 years more of "OK" world, rather then 5 and being wrong.. I do empethise with all the poor souls deep into doom, preppers and similar echo chambers.. That is no life to live.

[@darleneshriver3270]

@@wulfsorenson8859 exactly, everyone they have called conspiracy theoriest in the past 20+yes have turned out to be correct, now they are deplatformig people and claim they spread misinformation!!!!!

[@LadyTigerLily]

David had all the hallmarks of a family annihilator. Shame is a huge motivation, which is why seemingly-successful men kill their families, and it's always the children first, the spouse next, and then themselves. It's to "spare" the family discovering or experiencing the shame the perpetrator felt. The need to control his surroundings and his wife, existing mental health issues, loss of his passion project, and perceived rejection/abandonment of his supporters all feed into his final actions. While it's POSSIBLE someone else did it, I highly doubt it would have been the government. The kind of circles he was getting himself into have a lot of potentially dangerous people with similar beliefs. Preppers/survivalists and conspiracy theorists have all kinds of messed up ideas that converge and diverge in tons of ways, so if anyone else did do it, my bet would be one of them.

[@sicooper4230]

control 💯

[@Garbeaux.]

Very true. It’s like Q-anon. Conspiracy theorists can take it way too far in a plethora of different ways. It’s fine to have an interest in conspiracies but it can become overwhelming to people who believe everything they read. It will push those with mental issues over the edge in some way.

[@Stephanie_Ella]

Reminded me of Chris Watts before I even knew what had happened..

[@anathema2325]

O gosh , I saw the family foto and I remembered. Thank you Adrian for doing this , I never saw a complete time line . That poor family

[@annaelisavettavonnedozza9607]

“Foto” LOOOOOOOOOOL

[@artisthusnatalal3099]

Photo*

[@Slothicans]

@@annaelisavettavonnedozza9607 What's so funny? Foto is German for photo. Probably autocorrect.

[@mikesanders8621]

"The military being used as a blunt instrument of foreign policy, AS IT SHOULD" is an insane statement to make in almost any context.

[@joliesock2654]

This is really sad. Our soldiers need rehabilitation after war trauma and sometimes they get left out. We need to remember that many people are hurting and be a help when we notice something isn't right❤

[@emmeegee]

This episode took me completely by surprise. I’ve lived in Minnesota most of my life, and this is just another one of those cases I somehow never even heard about… and I’m in Minneapolis even, have been here for ages. So much can be said for how deeply tragic this case is. What strikes me so is that David was pouring himself into his art, something that most often is a cathartic and even healing experience. I think simply due to the subject matter, and his time spent in combat, it was just doomed to trigger terrible consequences down the line. I wonder if perhaps he might have magnified his trauma with his project, even. Adrian did a fantastic job of presenting the case as a matter of fact, I feel. The missing hands… absolutely indicative of a dog starving. The scene sounds too much like a man who had a psychotic break, shot his family, spent time with the bodies and contemplated. The religiosity of what he left behind is a little curious to me, though not much is said about David’s own leanings of faith (the writing on the wall, the placement of the post it notes, the forgiveness prayer). The glaringly obvious problem I see here is the lack of evidence of other foot/shoe prints or any mention of any other kind of print in the house that would suggest the presence of an assailant. Yes, the sliding door was open, but it’s pretty easy to do that before one ends their life. Ultimately, it’s senseless. Truly senseless. These things generally are. Minnesota, man. We have some interesting humans (the nature of which can be highly questioned, I mean highly) here. 😔

[@chipsweaters]

Why does anyone think he had a calm demeanor meanwhile didn't want his wife to leave the house.

[@obfuscatethecode5696]

And not to mention the red flags about his manipulative behavior…

[@gucci3541]

she was educated women. what was wrong with her.????why did she listen to ABSURD????

[@ekramer2478]

@@gucci3541 Because this is how abuse works. It isolates you. It breaks you down. It BLAMES you. And then no one wants to help. Or if they do, you cannot reach them and are all alone, and at the mercy of that abuser.

[@Alejojojo6]

Because in his paranoia of the outside world, he was scared of that, he wanted to shield his family from it.

[@emperorofpluto]

Like all high-functioning psychopaths he would’ve been a master of manipulation. Nobody ever knows what’s really going on because the crazy is always hidden behind a mask.

[@tammy6610]

Laying down the facts and letting us decide is why i love your channel

[@TexasHildis]

Never ever heard of this case. Horrifically sad that these 2 wonderful beings were murdered by the person that was supposed to love and care for them

[@RealElongatedMuskrat]

my heart hurts for his wife and that poor little girl.

[@chrissyloren3669]

Really loved this!! Loving the 40 mins long. Please make more mini doc like stories. Great job!! Love your channel

[@ednadawson854]

I believe he killed his family and himself. This hits close to home because my mother has cancer and my sister's husband, who is also in the military, has isolated her and my nieces from everyone they were close to...we have not physically seen them in 3 years.

[@AshCupric]

So sorry you and your family are going through that. I wish your mom healing and that the rest of you guys reconnect. That must be so difficult. 😢

[@ednadawson854]

@@AshCupric Thank you so much.

[@arlenelewis1908]

Please force yourself into their circle Better to be rejected time and time again than living with guilt or regret afterwards.

[@zact4289]

Sorry to hear that. I have haven’t seen my nephews who were raised in our house for a & a half year due to their mother’s delusions. They are my mums only grandchildren and it’s truly heart breaking. I miss them and dream about them from time to time and wake up feeling so sad. Sending you love 💖

[@mariesoni7189]

The one thing I have picked from this whole story is that Trauma can either make you or break you, bring out the Best in you when you decide to heal and move on or it can bring out the worst in you by dwelling on the negative bit of it and eventually bring out the worst in you. All of us deal with trauma albeit it can be different but taking a positive attitude towards it can lead us to healing.

[@janicemerchant-blakely4866]

occam’s razor applies to this murder case. The simplest answer is correct. He was a nutter that had his wife record conversations she had with friends. Way beyond crazy. Poor little baby girl…

[@Stephanie_Ella]

Exactly.. "when you hear hoofbeats think horses, not zebras".

[@gonzalomanriquezjr864]

It takes a different type of person to deal with the horrors of war. I learned to desensitize myself to it after the invasion 2003-2004. My next 2 deployments I just kind of brushed it off as if were not real. I used to tell myself that the bodies we saw were Halloween decorations. I still struggle to this day but I feel I’m better mentally than some people who saw similar or less.

[@Giantkiller130-t]

Thanks for being open and honest about that and I am wishing well for you and your buddies. And thank you for your service.