Annealing - what to look out for

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[@RX-LST-N-SPC]

Skyler you and Jason are my go to guys. You 2 have helped me the most in learnin my new craft. And i thank you both, some ppl don't say thank you too the ppl that have helped them. So again Skyler and Jason THANK YOU. and RING ON Michael

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

You are the man!

[@brettrussell7521]

thank you for the video, really helpful and thorough. I was doing coin rings years back (way less info out there) and finally decided to get back into it. thanks for all your help on my way.

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

+Brett Russell Ypu are very welcome! Before the info was out there it was very time consuming and difficult for sure. Enjoy all the new tools too!

[@silvertaniwha1314]

Awesome and super informative video bud. Thanks for taking the time to explain this part of the process 🤙🤙

[@dolfinmagikpro]

Very informative. Thank you. One question ... What about copper coins, such as the British Penny that is about the size of the American Half Dollar? How would you anneal that? Also ... Since Aluminum is already such a soft metal, would it be necessary to anneal it at all? Thanks in advance!

[@66lwmorgan]

Good tip, I wondered what the difference was between coins while heating them.

[@KentClark75075]

Thanks for the torching tips,,, I am in there with Michael, I get a lot of good info from Skyler and Jason... Thanks again...

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

Thanks! I am happy to be a part of helping out.

[@TonyCijsouw]

That 'Greek' one, "the one you can't remember right now", is the beautiful Dutch Gulden. From before we got the Euro. There are silver versions as well, 72% silver and 28% copper, I guess those would suitable for making rings.

[@efman2k3]

You have really great videos. I was wondering how many times you can anneal a silver coin during the process of making a ring. Thank you for taking the time to post all your videos.

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

Thanks! I always try to limit over annealing. Coins like Franklin halves and I964 JFK'S can be damaged by annealing so I try to keep it to a minimum but that is a delicate balance. But if you feel the coin getting harder, you need to re anneal. I usually anneal about 3-4 time on a difficult coin.

[@joscoins]

Awesome video.. about to make a franklin .. it's been about a year since i've done one .. thank's for the refresh course!!

[@joscoins]

Also could you explain a bit more about the 40%er's?? How hot do they get?? I try to stay between a silver anneal blue flame and a slight orange flame ??

[@justcraig3588]

Hey, one of the coins you had there was a Dutch Guilder, I just so happened to make a ring out of one of those and it wasn't that hard and I didn't damage my tools. I just didn't quench when I annealed it. I have pictures of you want to see. But great video as alway and keep it up. You were the one who inspired me to make coin rings and I thank you for showing me how.

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

+Just Craig Ahh good move there. I have made a few steel ones but as a general rule I don't. I'm glad you found your way to coin ringing!

[@justcraig3588]

Coin Rings from The Mint - Change You Can Wear Hey man I just looked it up, and they say it's made from nickel? Is that a good material to use or would you still steer clear?

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

Just Craig nickel is hard but still doable for sure.

[@justcraig3588]

Coin Rings from The Mint - Change You Can Wear Ahh well that makes sense then. Cheers for your help!

[@n1rlu]

Thanks for your Videos, Its helped me out quite a bit with the Coin Ring Making process. The info on the 1964 Kennedy Half dollar help me out alot... BFG Custom Coin Rings

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

No problem! The 64's are tricky coins for sure.

[@alexandermishenberg8456]

Thanks and what about press?

[@MDogg1960]

Can coins that are clad in silver or gold be annealed and made into rings?

[@JTCoinRings]

You have this down to a science...I can't wait for Forged 2!

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

Thanks! The first part of forged 2 is up. I'm really excited for the book and second video to be released :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3nLf4moeMissNE

[@RieZZieman]

that coin you show at 1:10 is a "rijksdaalder", or 2,50 gulden. It used to be the currency in The Netherlands. The old lady on the coin is Koningin Juliana, or queen Juliana.

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

Right on, thanks for the info!

[@laslo67]

First of all... great videos. They've helped me more than I can express. Now for my question... You always do your heating on a stone/concrete where most of the other videos I've seen are done holding the coins with tweezers. Are there any specific pros/cons to these two methods? Thanks.

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

I usually work off of a fire panel or something. After I saw Jason using the tweezers recently I gave that a try. I don't see any real pro or con with either way. I just can't do it any other way because I have been doing it the same way so long. Actually one pro for my method is that I stack up my non silver coins that I am making for the day and heat them all up at once which speeds the annealing process up. I don't do that with silver because they are a bit more delicate. Thanks for the message! Skyler

[@chipwoodin678]

Do you have the sizes and dimensions for the punches and dies? I work where we have a machine shop. Thanks for all your informative videos.

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

+Chip Woodin Thanks! Here is the specifics video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJaWZmyYfJZnfMk

[@fairysox221]

If you need to anneal Aluminium I recommend rubbing non perfumed hand soap bar on them, whilst gently heating watch for the soap turning a caramelized color then blackening, stop heating at this point and you're done :

[@tremor1127]

Hello. Is it imperitive to quench silver coins? I have seen images of old well circulated coins used to make rings that look exactly like they did before they ever started. It is neither polished or "antiqued" looking and I want to make one like that. Also, would you avoid proof coins all together or just proof clads? Thanks!

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

+tremor1127 You might be able to get away with not annealing certain coins but it drastically increases the likelihood of splitting. Proof clad half dollars are the only ones that give me trouble. The silver proof coins seem to work great. Thanks!

[@hellorusso]

Thanks for a great, informative channel. Hey, my Silver Eagle coin rings are coming out with a rough surface. And I start with BU coins. I'm using a torch like yours, with MAP gas. Am I getting them too hot? It's only on the Silver Eagle $1 dollar coins, .999 silver. Really sucks! They look Textured, I do use Sparex and Liver of Sulfur. Could the Acid be doing it. But, the areas where my tools have polished the edge are not rough. I'm lost...

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

It is most definitely the heat. Map gets too hot but I still can happen with propane. Heat it enough to sizzle when you put it in the water but not hot enough to make it change color and you should be good.

[@f43raceleague5]

You said the 1964 Kennedy was unique. Are all the 90% silver Kennedy half dolllars the same way? I have a 1994-S Proof "Deep Cameo" that I'd like to do. Do I anneal it the same way you showed for your 1964?

[@1wannabee1]

Can I ask you is it ok to quench the coin in merely plain water or should you use some other solution? Many thanks and... Love your vids.

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

Plain water is all I use.

[@mikeroe9251]

What do you quench the coin in?

[@jlchambe77]

Have you ever done a Canadian Toonie? I have a Canadian friend whom I would like to make a coin ring for, but the quarters are steel. I townie would be cool, but I'm not sure if the dis-similar metals will be a problem.

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

+Jeff Chamberlain Yeah they separate. The outer ring is also steel. You can go to a local coin shop and pick up a silver quarter or half dollar though. They will also have some nice large cents for cheap. They are all great choices for a ring.

[@Madstaffy]

Hi how do you clean the fire scale off the coins?Thank you 😊

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

+Madstaffy I use an acid bath. Here is a video that explains. Thanks! kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqfTlaNqj6eYb5Y

[@dramodt]

Can you over anneal a Morgan dollar? It did turn gold. Maybe I shoulda turned down the lights. But anyway, I have it pressed in the die, and cone shaped now, I've re-annealed it a time or two, but seems as if its just too hard, and I can't get it to hammer down on the mandrel.

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

morgans are pretty forgiving as far as annealing goes. They are much harder to bend though because they are so much thicker. Bring it up to a dull red and keep on hammering :)

[@FireEater]

I tried annealing and not annealing a quarter but once I heat the coin it looses it's silver color and after polished it's not the same bright silver. I even tried a brass wire wheel on a Dremel tool just to see if I could get the original color but not as bright. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

You can either use Flux to keep it from happening or you can use a pickle (an acid bath) to dip it in when you are done.

[@suzannehofer3867]

Can the current USA quarters (clad?) be annealed? I want to make cowboy hat earrings and am not sure what year(s) of quarter are workable. Thanks for your help!

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

Sure that is no problem.

[@FireEater]

Thanks I will try the flux first. By the way thanks for all the great info.

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

You are very welcome

[@floydhelms44]

Sklyer, I have a crown of thorn coin,(1"5/8) Thinking its bronze and a little thicker than a silver dollar. Whats your thinking on annealing this type of coin?Many,Thanks

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

+Floyd Helms I always get them to a dull red. Be sure to file the cut edge. Many of those coins have high relief and can cause the coin to split.

[@perroblanco49]

can you use non silver quarter or halve dollar to make a ring?

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

most certainly!

[@fig816]

Skyler, Quick comment and then a question. First off, I want to say thanks for taking the time to help rookies like me. Now my question. There is one metal combination you did not mention and I was wondering if there are any issues, when annealing a 65-70 kennedy half dollar? They claim to be 40% silver. In reality, the silver content is closer to 36.5%. Have you had any problems while annealing one of these? Thanks.

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

You are very welcome! The 40%ers anneal really well and don't have issues there. The issue with them is that they like to warp when you are bending them. That just requires practice to get better.

[@StephenKlineMCM]

Skyler, Are there half dollar years I should avoid? I tried a real shiny 2006 and it cracked when I used the sizer. Also, I annealed it and it didn't seem to get any softer. Did I over anneal possibly? Thanks for the great info.

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

+Stephen Kline With us coins they are mostly good. The one big exception is proof clad half dollars. For some reason the outside layer always wants to crack. Over annealing will start to melt the coin. If it's not doing that, you probably aren't over annealing. Hopefully that is helpful!

[@trendguruji2938]

Annealing on stainless steel does it make it soft? I want to soft ss metal how to do can u pls explain

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

Not sure. I don't work with stainless

[@scousersummary9233]

dude your videos are awesome but do you know how to heat treat a coin so that when it has cooled it can be bent with ease

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

+Scouser Summary Thanks! I am assuming you are talking about quenching the coin. It is a common misconception that it hardens them. With non ferrous metals like copper and silver, it doesn't make a difference

[@Killer125922]

Hey, Skyler! So I've been making coin rings for a little while now (just out of the normal clad quarters) and I want to try a silver quarter soon. Before I attempt to make a silver ring though, do you have any tips that might help?

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

+Killer125922 Silver Washington quarters are really tough to get straight! But they are cheap so that is good. Just go slow and anneal often.

[@Killer125922]

Okay, thank you for the tip, Skyler! You are marvelous! :)

[@mikeroe9251]

How do you anneal a brass coin?

[@19Edurne]

Nickel is also attracted to a magnet...

[@jonwaters5278]

Long time watcher first time question. I've noticed you anneal flat, and other people use long nose pliers. Is it due to misshapen coin ring after the first anneal?

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

+Jon Waters Haha great question. Both ways are great. I think what it is, is that some people lean more towards Jason's works method and others tend to lean towards mine. You can usually tell which by how they anneal :) Both methods are great and probably a hybrid of the two is best

[@hellorusso]

Thanks brother!

[@alexandermishenberg8456]

Skyler! Are you ever made a ring from steel coin or aluminum coin?If it's possible tell us mote about techniqueOr better not to try?Thanks

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

Those are the two metals to stay away from. Steel will damage your punches and dies.

[@cfvettes]

I tried to make my first silver quarter ring. 1964. I annealed it and then deburred the edge. It folded with no problem but when I flipped it over to stretch out the other side, it snapped and split as it was almost done. I had re-annealed it too. Any idea what I might have done wrong? I've practiced on many newer quarters to get the hang of it and never had a problem.

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

+cfvettes sometimes the deburring tool can leave a little knick if you don't sand it afterwards. It is either that or you were trying to make it too large or had too small of a hole to start with. It has to be one of those 3 I would guess. Hopefully you get it figured out!

[@jax8604]

cfvettes may be 8 months late.. but also try annealing it again

[@MrSilver9759]

can Iuse a wing type adapter on the torch ? excellent way of annealling

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

That would be a great way to spread the flame out. I'm sure it would work well.

[@MrSilver9759]

thank you, for comment back !

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

Not a problem!

[@kevincolwell9575]

Why? Why does one require so much less heat? I have been trying to make a blade collar for a sword (what the Japanese call a habaki) out of nickel silver. I have heated it to bright red and quenched, and it is not working. Any tips (like less heat or air cool or something)? The small amount of heat on the Kennedy coin looked more like what we smiths call stress relieving, but that would be in iron or steel. I would love suggestions, and even more, to know why. Thanks. good video. You are one of the first people making coin rings where I really like the approach and the work, but I haven't really studied these things, so I am sure I am missing some good craftspeople.

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

+kevin colwell Thanks for the message! I know coins with high nickel content are a bear to bend so I'm assuming you must be running up on a similar issue. The 1964 Kennedy's are really strange so I can't tell you why they are the way they are to be honest. The reason we don't bring silver coins up to a bright red is because the surface tends to get distorted and bubbled up. A dull red is all we look for at most with silver. If it were me I woyld ditch the nickel silver and use some 90% silver 10% copper. That is coin silver. It works much easier but you might need the nickel for extra strength for your project.

[@kevincolwell9575]

damn, I wish i had the benefit of this reply earlier. Thank you for it. I convinced the client to let me go with Sterling. Maybe next time I will use Coin Silver. I have never used it, but that sort of mixture would have been appropriate for Japanese and Chinese sword furniture (they made shibuichi and shakudo, which are silver and copper or silver copper and gold.) thanks a lot

[@brianthornton8312]

Very informative 👍

[@marijnspaans8183]

the magnetice coin comes from the Netherlands

[@rossbusher194]

First, butane or propane. Which fuel is better or does it matter? Second for safety , what is the block you are annealing on, concrete, paver or other. As long as it doesn't burn or damage the coin is there a preferred method?

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

I always use propane. It is important to use a fire brick or something that is rated for fire. I use a fire panel now. Thus video is a regular brick because I hadn't finished setting my shop up at that point. The sand in the cement in that brick is not good for fire. They can pop and shoot stuff in your eyes.

[@danielyost9658]

hello sir do you review coinmaking tools? thanks Daniel

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

I do some of that

[@larrykelley1818]

What are you using to lay the coin on to anneal it

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

+Larry Kelley It is just a fire brick

[@perroblanco49]

someone told me that annealing clad coins can be hazardous because of the fumes, I know is not the copper but maybe because of the nickel or a combination of both? do you know if that is true?

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

No its not. The nickel has to be melted to release the fumes they are talking about. I researched it years ago but that is what I remember the result was.

[@perroblanco49]

@@CoinRingsfromTheMint thank you!!!

[@MerlijnDingemanse]

1:00 that´s a dutch gulden, the currency they used before the euro

[@joegoedhart1259]

Very interesting but only coin objective, not metal. Could you please google the composition of Au Florin 1950s and Au 50 cent round 1955 and tell me which method is best for these so I dont go ryining my coins?

[@stick344]

how do you avoid the oxidation ?pickle?

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

Yes exactly! I use nature's touch citric pickle

[@johnnyandrew9083]

I have issues with my silver coins getting warped on the reed side. I’m not sure if an annealing process issue or the folding. It’s getting expensive

[@thekingofdesksthefirst7443]

I’ve had that same issue. I found that when I rotate the cone while folding the coin it somewhat stops that. Take the coin out of the die when you’re half way folded. If you’re still having that issue, Swedish wraps will solve it for the most part.

[@karlseel815]

Very good tutorial

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

Thanks!

[@donstantonhobbiesandworkvideos]

To anneal aluminium heat the coin till u can stroke a matchstick on it and it makes a black line. Then Quench

[@vincecirilo8666]

Do you use an acid pickle when you quench?

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

You can but I don't. I do that at the very end.

[@michaelsmithson3237]

@@CoinRingsfromTheMint What mixture do you use for your acid pickle? Great video BTW.

[@5150roc]

A lot a great info thanks

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

You are welcome!

[@thekingofdesksthefirst7443]

Does overheating the coin lead to it being more brittle? I just tried to make my first silver half dollar coin ring but it broke in the first die😅, super expensive mistake and I don’t really want to make that same one again!

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

. When you overheat a coin usually the surface bubbles or melts. If it doesn’t do that, usually you haven’t overheated it. What type of coin is it and where did you get it?

[@thekingofdesksthefirst7443]

@@CoinRingsfromTheMint1964 Kennedy! Ive been holding onto it for a while, came across it at my work.

[@chrischris420]

Is there a certain time frame to start working the coin after annealing?

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

No anytime works.

[@chrischris420]

@@CoinRingsfromTheMint thank you

[@Dulles-jt6sr]

What if you are overheated the coin and it's bubbling.. what can you do about it.. Only throw it away?? 😨

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

No you can always sand it and make it a smooth band.

[@hiseminencetheholymacdiarmada]

What about hardening? Or is it even necessary?

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

I used to think it was necessary but it really isn't at all.

[@cosmicgoat9969]

Why are the copper-nickel coins so hard to stretch on the ring stretcher?

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

Nickel is extremely hard

[@cosmicgoat9969]

Change You Can Wear yeah I realised I just have to anneal more

[@chyrt]

lol, that first coin is a coin from my country, a gulden. I live in the Netherlands. we used to use the gulden before the euro.

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

+Geert Perton haha!

[@chyrt]

I have made a ring out of one like that, But I would like to see you make one too!

[@damiandemarsico356]

What brand torch is this?

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

I can't remember and it is so covered with cement that I can't see on it. I got it at Lowes though. It is a self starting one.

[@frankhatton365]

cheers man exalent info

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

+Frank Hatton Thanks!

[@alexandermishenberg8456]

Can you or have to heat coin before punching center holl?And one more question: can you use 1 ton arbor press with 9 pieces punch and die set or it's not enough? Thank you very much

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

No I don't anneal them before I punch them but I don't think it would hurt. A one ton press should make it through. You might need a breaker bar to extend the handle to get more leverage though. Thanks! Skyler

[@jamesakenhead8858]

Nice overview

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

+james akenhead Thanks!

[@bradmoberly6164]

I must be a idiot . I made two wobbly Kennedy half's lol. The clad ones

[@waynes347]

How to keep the quarters from turning dark or black

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

There is no good way that I know of. Cleaning them off with steel wool is what I do.

[@holenmyshoe]

@@CoinRingsfromTheMint ok.. thanks

[@alexandermishenberg8456]

Sorry,just got all answers from your wideoThanks

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

No worries :)

[@timberwormy]

Has anyone tried annealing with a heat gun? I’m doing coin ring making with a group of elementary kids and they don’t want me to use a torch in the school.

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

You can usually get away with no annealing as long as you keep the cut edge nice and sanded.

[@dbcrn859]

I have no issues with the '64 Kennedys, but the 40% ones are a real pain.

[@alexanderdavis5332]

“HEATED” debates 😂

[@Woody-777]

I love JESUS also. Well done. GOD BLESS you.

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

+Woody Thanks!

[@KristianWiborg]

Austenitic steel is not magnetic. Not sure how many coins are made of steel though.

[@josephcalvosa8272]

They call the color you are looking for "straw" yellow.

[@MawoDuffer]

Don't make them out of new pennies, they are zinc and melt instantly. I think I'll make one out of a quarter on the outside and a nickel inside

[@frankhatton365]

just a note about butane and propane from what you say butane should be good .1400 degrees​ give or take compared to propane 1995 degrees from an air torch . just something to think about when buying gas.

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

+Frank Hatton Interesting info. Thanks!

[@kozz1963]

the 64 kennedy is only 40% silver . 1963 and older is 90% silver

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

Actually 1964 was, the last year for 90%. 1965-1970 are the 40% halves. You might be thinking about the last year for the Franklin halves?

[@mycaptainsvlog]

This looks great, thankfully u dont live in the UK. In the UK its an offense to deface a UK coin or note and punishable by a prison sentence.

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

ouch! I have heard that about Australia also. Too bad because I love the way half crowns and 2 shillings come out.

[@mycaptainsvlog]

Coin Rings from The Mint - Change You Can Wear I paid money into my bank account one day and on one of the notes someone had drawn glasses and a moustache on the queen on one of the notes and i didnt notice. The guy at the bank was really shitty asking if i had done it.

[@CoinRingsfromTheMint]

That's pretty funny!

[@willanski4321]

It's not illegal to make coin rings in the uk! It's illegal to alter a coin then attempt to use it as legal tender - hence your issue at the bank - but not to turn it into something else. There's lots of UK based coin ring makers who sell rings freely with no issue.

[@sirbuddysworth]

Informative but it hurts to see coins being intentionally destroyed to make something else... Your channel is just not for me sadly.