Cold Waters (Trafalgar Campaign) - 08 - Sverdlov

Cold Waters is a cold war era submarine sim from developers KIllerfish Games in which players take command of a nuclear submarine and negotiate the dangerous waters of the Arctic and North Atlantic in a cold war gone hot scenario. It is available for purchase on steam here:
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[@lucasalekslov4712]

"We're gonna get sunk anyway, might as well beach her and spend the rest of this war in a POW camp ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" - The Captain of the Sverdlov

[@billlong9606]

Sverdlov captain did his crew a favour by beaching -they can swim to safety.

[@cyborg_v271]

or just hop onto the beach, dont even get feet wet, sit back and watch the show

[@RinIsArty]

The tigerfish with the Kashin is just.. that entire section needs the benny hill music.

[@metetural9140]

When the Svenlov beached you could hear a faint sound coming from the ships command deck "Hammondovich, you blithering idiot!"

[@markstott6689]

Hammondovich: "Capitan Mayorov I was ordered by Grand Admiral Clarksonoyev to proceed at full speed!"

[@metetural9140]

@@markstott6689 Capitan Mayorov: CLARKSONOYEV!

[@dirckdelint6391]

“Don’t want to waste torpedoes…” Sir, every Tigerfish you urge out the tubes that it may trundle calmly in what might be the direction of an enemy vessel is one less of them burdening the stores at Faslane. Shoot more, more frequently, and eventually you can beg some Mk.48s on the grounds of having run out of your own; what greater service could Ed Cook offer to Queen and country?

[@greeny_119]

"Don't worry everyone I'll give you missile cam" Proceeds to blue-ball the entire audience lol

[@famguy2101]

Harpoons, Tomahawks and air-to-air missiles are powered by Turbojet engines to maintain speed after the rocket booster burns out, they could not maintain that speed/altitude on their own Ballistic missiles approach their target without power, but they are working with gravity not against it EDIT: I've been corrected myself on air-to-air

[@angelofwar_7711]

Most air-to-air missile have a rocket booster that work for a short amount of time then they use kenetic energy to reach their target but you were right about harpoon and tomahawk missile.

[@pilotedavion6716]

Only few Air AIr missile got a statoreactor, the Meteor is one of them but its really rare

[@famguy2101]

Y'all are right, I forgot air to air don't have jets, just cruise missiles

[@Coddykin]

Glad you mentioned it, there's no way a missile like the harpoon would be able to travel that distance at sea level with kinetic energy alone after the rocket motor burns out.

[@peteager3800]

You see Ivan, if we take the boat out of the water we are immune to torpedo attack"

[@ryklatortuga4146]

If they made a film of this engagement in the 80's then I believe Rik Mayall as a modern day Lord Flashheart would have a great Captain Cook. "Am I pleased to see you or did I put a Tigerfish in my pocket? Down boy, down!"

[@nemo-zl1vm]

That first mission. 2 torpedoes, 2 sunk subs who didn't see it coming. Efficient. Beautiful.

[@MG_Steve]

It certainly is very satisfying when that happens. Less so when they turn when the torp is about 3/4 of the way there and it moves out of their baffles and then then detect, active ping and try and drop missiles on your head (not an issue with Tangos, luckily). However, the Trafalgar is pretty much cheat mode in this game, at least in deep water. I play it in Ft (I'm a UK child of the 70s, so I'm totally messed up with metric & imperial measurements. Feet for height, miles for length and cm/m for anything smaller!) - anyway, go down to the subs limit of 2000 feet and you're pretty much untouchable by any soviet torp.

[@FretboardToAsh]

Honestly, coming back home at 11pm from work, this is exactly what I need while preparing dinner.

[@SovereignTurkey]

a tip when using missiles on a target with anti-missile defenses, use the keyboard hot keys to select the missiles and fire them as close together as possible, and to launch them from a more shallow depth if there's no imediet surface threat. what likely happened when you fired on the Sverdlov is by the the time the second missile was in range the first had already been shot down.

[@captbloodbeard]

Still the best series on KZbin! Hopefully episode 9 comes soon.

[@Teckman8]

Keep up the wonderful work Dave! Lets not look a gift horse in the mouth and just celebrate having a light escort in shallow waters. Imagine the view that fishing trawler must have had during the engagement.

[@the6ofdiamonds]

You know, I kinda hope for periscope kill-cam at some point. Also, you got me good with "You can get pills for that, y'know"

[@aussiegrif8729]

Would have absolutely loved the reaction if it was a Yankee SSBN. That would be... quite the report to give to the admiralty.

[@pluemas]

Looking forward to the next one of these videos. They're incredibly high quality and probably my favourite series on KZbin (so much so that I actually shared it with my dad). This series really helped me to relax while I was studying for my finals and kept me sane. Something about it's tense, high risk nature made me feel a little bit better about my circumstances.

[@DarkVeghetta]

Glorious derpy-boy submarine content. Ahh, so comfy. ^_^

[@natp8387]

The only logical reason I could see for the Sverdlov to do as it did other than 'if we sink in less depth than the ship we can salvage supplies before we go ashore' and 'AI jank' is 'If we get shallow enough, maybe we can detect the sub enough to get a firing solution and shell the bastard'.

[@PhoenixT70]

1:31 “A small number” being four-every ship in the class. Not technically wrong, but funny to me. I used to live in New Jersey a couple hours away from USS New Jersey (BB-62), so the Iowas are very dear to my heart. EDIT: Wow. The absolute state of the Soviet Navy, I guess.

[@Shenaldrac]

Still did better than IRL. At least this one shot down the anti-ship missiles fired at it :V

[@cianrowan8169]

watching the Tigerfish chase the Kashin in circles under time compression was very funny

[@hogandonahue9598]

21:01 "crumbs." lmao my new favorite expletive!

[@warmstrong5612]

Air to Air and SAMs have just 3-5 sec of rocket motor but TASM/Harpoons have small jet engines as second stages.

[@Keaton1x]

this series is very 'chill'

[@normtrooper4392]

These are some of the best episodes you make. I was hoping for another and I got it

[@barnabyalsop5601]

Nothing out of the ordinary here - the Sverdilov was merely conducting a "Special Amphibious Landing Operation"... Russian ships are always performing unexpected roles - like submarines or reefs for example....

[@csrunner6296]

Love this series! But how terrifying it must be, just cruising along and out of no where BOOM your dead…!

[@DERP_Squad]

The designation SSK was originally used by the US Navy in the late 40s to designate any submarine with sensors and modifications to allow for the specific targeting of enemy submarines, as opposed to ships without these which were effectively limited to attacking surface vessels. As you thought, the K was a designation for a hunter-killer style submarine. As nuclear propulsion replaced diesel-electric engines for submarines in the 50s it was initially thought that a small, cheaper hunter-killer submarine could be designed SSKN, however it quickly became apparent that the concept was only marginally cheaper than a larger nuclear submarine and would have significantly less capabilities than it's larger alternative. Due to this the US Navy moved towards giving all submarines the sensors and capabilites to attack other submarines, and thus the K designation became redundant. The designation SSN was then used for all submarines the US Navy built as nuclear propulsion was favored exclusively. The introduction of ballistic missile submarines led to the designator B, and G for guided missile submarines. The K designation was initially rendered obsolete, and fell out of use as a designator in the late 50s, with diesel-electric submarines, with or without hunter-killer features being designated as SS, and nuclear submarines designated SSN. Since then the designator SSK was reintroduced by other NATO navies specifically to reference diesel-electric submarines. I've not seen any evidence of why, but I imagine it is at least in part due to the negative connotations of the letters 'SS' since WW2.

[@whoknows8264]

Why is SS viewed negatively?

[@danielfield2570]

Absolutely love this series, nice to see the ASMs get used. Please keep it up 👍

[@VallornDeathblade]

Captain Cook remains my favorite steely-eyed torpedo man.

[@mikeconway5114]

Great vid bud. I love your cold water stuff. Thank you

[@sadaasdafa8635]

Very nicely done. I'd say the American Silver Star is equivilant roughly to the Military Cross, the third highest decoration that can be awarded to an Officer of the British military (until 1993 when it was changed to include all service personnel).

[@a_c_v]

Harpoon's a cruise missile, it has a Teledyne CAE J402 turbojet sustainer engine that will burn for pretty much the whole flight time. The fuel is stored behind the warhead.

[@jpvanstraaten296]

the derpy whale strikes again !!

[@Thunderplunk]

I suspect the captain of the Sverdlov may have locked himself in the head and refused to come out. This is a cracking series to binge now it's done - hope Cdr Cooke enjoys his new bit of tin (possibly a DSO?)

[@cszabo8899]

"Now, understand, Commander, this ship did not hit the beach; you heard it all ahead full and in open water, and I... was never here."

[@julianwarren7770]

Love these videos, it’s my favourite thing on KZbin at present. Can I just correct some details on the Harpoon UGM-84 missile however. It has a solid rocket booster to launch it out of the water and into its initial position (the big fiery smoky “launch”), however it doesn’t just glide from there on, it’s cruise stage is powered by a Teledyne CAE J402 turbojet. This is more fuel efficient, lighter and doesn’t give off a fire or smoke trail behind. The surface launched RGM-84 variant also uses a solid rocket first stage, whereas the air launched AGM-84 does not need this and just has the turbojet. Also, the UGM-84 and other Harpoon variants are high subsonic speed, around 460 knots, not supersonic, which would be 666 knots plus.

[@MG_Steve]

btw, the harpoons have an turbojet engine on them, the rocket is just a boost stage. They're also subsonic. Anti Air tend to be glide missiles.

[@_.Glennicus._]

So, I'm watching on my PS4, and commenting on my phone . A note about the Sverdlov, I believe they are light cruisers with 12 6 inch guns in 4 turrets, 2 super firing forward and 2 super firing aft Very interesting design, perfect for shore bombardment . You mentioned the Sverdlovs sound level, saying it's really loud The ship is much louder when it's firing it's main battery, though I'm sure you wouldn't hear that on sonar

[@Summer-it3wh]

It is kind of funny that the second tango at the start apparently just assumed his mates on the other submarine had dropped the squadron piano or something, remarkably unbothered by the gigantic explosion off his port side.

[@MG_Steve]

I did think the same, but the other sub *may* have been in his baffles.

[@furlosifurfox5794]

Been loving the Cold Waters LP. 52520 tons sunk from those surface ships nice! Always love you LP's Dave! ps. Love Sailwind as well! Think you might put a 1 off video of it up? Would love to watch ya play it some it's a very chill game!

[@markschmidt1282]

MORE!!!! PLEASE!!! great Job bro!!

[@buckduane1991]

Would’ve been hysterical if you had some of those WWII torpedoes and used them on the cruiser… it literally was a sitting hulk.

[@kevcom2001]

One day we'll learn more about the adventures of HMS Trafalgar.... One day....

[@Cailus3542]

Well, he Sverdlov captain got one thing right. You didn't "sink" him.

[@csrunner6296]

Cool info about missile’s!

[@MG_Steve]

Yeah, shame it was incorrect ;) - At least for the harpoon. its got a jet engine on it. Anti Air missiles tend to be initial rocket & then glide.

[@Strelnikov403]

6:20 Foxtrot and Romeo look like trawlers on the sonar screen :)

[@MG_Steve]

Yeah, I've mistakenly selected them before now too. Annoyingly (or not, depending on your point of view) Cold waters doesn't have the old Red Storm Rising trick of resetting the solution to 0 if you get the guess wrong.

[@justandy333]

One interesting thing I picked up on in my various deep dives (pun very much intended) was that the early Soviet submarines were so noisy that nato forces nicknamed them the 'bellowing cows'. That was of course until an American spy ring (The Walker Spy ring) decided on a get rich quick scheme and sold the Russians many secrets, including engineering documents on how to make submarines much much quieter. In lieu of the spy rings discovery they dubbed the Victor III submarine, the Walker class. As you can imagine this sort of espionage really hurt the Americans and Nato as a whole. A very large gap in the acoustics of submarines had been closed within a matter of a few years. All because of a few people experiencing financial troubles sold out their countries secrets as a way out.

[@markstott6689]

Seeing a Soviet fleet turned into mouldering wrecks never grows old. I do wish you had slammed 3 torpedoes in rapid succession into the Sverdlov for a mega explosion. Merely a tiny quibble about gross overkill I know.

[@DaBoligBurls]

Been looking forwards to this! Always good to see the mighty Trafalgar out and about. Do make sure you update to 0.3c If you haven’t. It fixes a bug that meant the vessel randomiser always got the same enemies.

[@Strelnikov403]

Is THAT why I'm constantly fighting nothing but Whiskeys, Foxtrots, and Kashins in the '84 campaign, even on Elite difficulty? I just finished the first draft of a 1989 campaign and was wondering why none of the new ships I added were spawning. Thanks man, didn't even know there'd been an update.

[@DaBoligBurls]

@@Strelnikov403 Quite possibly, what was happening was the randomiser was creating a new seed each time it was called. But the calls were so close the seed was the same so it always got the same index. Should be all fixed now though I still want to add some improvements.

[@SamFisher338]

Is it 100% safe to update mid-campaign?

[@DaBoligBurls]

Yes it should be. I didn’t change any campaign code, and a few people have tested it. Worst case you can always get old versions and revert. The save files aren’t in the game folder.

[@SamFisher338]

@@DaBoligBurls Great, I hope Dave updates then, though his problems with changing Bethesda game mods mid playthrough might have left him traumatized :P Thanks a lot for the work on the mod by the way :)

[@Master-im7jc]

The AGM84 is jet powered, the surface and sub launched version has a rocket booster to launch

[@Slurreydude]

better hearing a phone ringing than just sudden singing :p

[@octavius32a64]

loving this series, keep up the g8 work

[@MG_Steve]

OMG, how lucky were you with that Kashin. He found you on active soon after he detected the torp and didn't shoot at you. Amazingly lucky. If he had shot his RBU6000 at you, you'd be resting on the bottom. So, so lucky. I was screaming at the screen so much for about 2 minutes! lol

[@holdenfatheree5884]

Maybe the invasion fleet wasn't permitted to retreat. So the ships beached themselves when no other options remained.

[@mikeluskeldab]

I mean, if you're pretty sure you're going to be sunk, try to sink in shallow water. It would make rescue/salvage/refloating easier I suppose.

[@mirrorsandstuff]

If you enable the game's omniscient-god mode, you can see what the AI is doing when it can't detect you (specifically, what routines the AI is running). One of the modes it moves into is 'move towards the player' (regardless of whether it can detect you or not). This means you often have ships move towards you even when you're running completely silent and undetected. Probably makes sense from an arcade-y perspective to make the game more fun, but can be a little frustrating when you're desperately trying to be sneaky.

[@mirrorsandstuff]

There is admittedly a similarly blind 'move away from player' AI mode.

[@whoknows8264]

They go towards where they 'think' you are. I've tested with the debug mode and noticed they'll chase decoy torps or head in the direction the torps came from.

[@trekaddict]

Look at it this way, at least this time the other side's ships/boats did the exploding. :)

[@JustSomeGuy489]

Always love a missile attack in this game.

[@EviLEwoK666]

Can't wait for the narration on the next vid

[@EviLEwoK666]

Hi @SorcererDave, any eta on the next ep?

[@FretboardToAsh]

Wooh! It's back!

[@larsgulbrandsen9441]

Am I the only one screaming" reload your tubes" at my screen in every video? :) . Also, the Sverdlov is probably the Murmansk, pre enacting?( is that a word) it's final demise on the norwegian coast some 10 years later(94). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_cruiser_Murmansk_(1955)

[@gamersunite7968]

I was playing the SCS campaign and I was fighting an entire Taiwanese invasion force that had beached themselves INCLUDING the ming and kilo subs

[@rupertjoyce2838]

‘Sees a living monument to post ww2 naval history and gun naval warfare’ Dave: let’s sink it😈

[@markstott6689]

Will episode 9 be out soon?

[@davebartos7743]

Sooo excited!! (Yes i need a life!)

[@christianrimbeck2423]

how the heck can i change the hud layout in DOT mod

[@whysosyria1]

Should've put" Rule Britannia" or "heart of oak" after every successful mission.

[@MrFoxtheSpy]

Sailwind is alright, but it's so buggy still! I hope it gets updates soon! Also, fantastic video!

[@GeLe3Ka]

Been waiting for this

[@cszabo8899]

Sink *all* the things

[@holdenfatheree5884]

January 12th, 1985, 6:00 PM Sistranda, Norway An attempted naval invasion of Trondheim has ended in disaster for Soviet forces. An entire task force of seven warships has been sunk in the approaches to Trondheim by NATO forces. A NATO spokesman has not disclosed what methods were used to neutralize the task force. Shore-side witnesses, as well as the crew of a fishing trawler, attest to seeing missiles explode above the sea. Other vessels in the task force took damage below the surface before sinking, indicating the use of torpedoes. The failed invasion could indicate an over-extension on the part of the Soviets. Analysts have surmised that the Trondheim operation was a logical extension of the Soviet campaign in Norway. A successful landing in Trondheim would have built upon Soviet successes in Andoya, where they were able to diminish the capabilities of NATO naval forces. However, it is becoming clear that this attack on Trondheim strained Soviet supply lines and capabilities at this time. Surviving sailors of the Soviet task force paint a more grim picture of the operational capabilities of the Eastern bloc. Though powerful, the Warsaw Pact forces have struggled to keep up the supply levels needed for offensive operations. Indeed, the Trondheim task force was forbidden from retreating, leaving success or surrender as the only options. The few sailors and soldiers rescued from the freezing Norwegian sea confessed to being harshly driven and under supplied. In the most dramatic incident of the Trondheim attack, the Soviet cruiser 'Sverdlov' beached itself on the shore outside of the town of Sistranda. Civilian onlookers were shocked when the cruiser rammed itself into the beach. Sailors then crowded the warship's decks and poured onto the beach with their hands up in surrender. The ship was rocked by two explosions shortly after landing, prompting a hastier evacuation of the vessel. The sailors were taken into custody by the local police until they could be turned over to the Norwegian military. Civilian reaction to their arrival was mixed, with some insulting the "inntrengers" (invaders), while others brought blankets and warm drinks to the prisoners. Some civilians reported seeing an admiral, restrained or handcuffed, being escorted from the vessel by other officers. Sverdlov crew were noncommittal when asked if the vessels beaching was an act of mutiny. Some analysts believe this could indicate discontent within the Soviet navy from shipboard officers towards their higher ups. Enlisted sailors expressed relief that, for them, the war was over. They are currently being held within a community hall until they can be transported to a prisoner of war center. Their former ship, the Sverdlov, continues to burn on the shore of the small Norwegian town.

[@metaljewelgaming]

Damn good job old chap!

[@KodeeDentares]

It's DAVE! 😱😁

[@julianwarren7770]

Would the old mk. 8’s not have been more appropriate to use on the beaches Svetlov?

[@SorcererDave]

Would've been, if I'd brought any. Do pay attention, 007. ;)

[@Shenaldrac]

Just gonna put it out there, maybe if you don't want to program your ship AI to account for land you shouldn't make any maps that require accounting for land. Like, come on guys.

[@nunyadambusiness6902]

You need to do testing - you launched the 1st tiger at MORE than 90° from the sub & snapped the wire. You dogleged the 2nd torp & KEPT the wire... If it's more than 90° angle, the wire has more of a chance to break. It's the angle, NOT the type of torp... Do the spearfish & tigerfish have the same wire problem? 🤔🤔🤔...

[@hogandonahue9598]

an hour and a half? It's not my birthday yet!

[@MG_Steve]

Also, what mod are you using for the crew proficiency as that doesn't appear to be part of dot mod?

[@Wiggins773]

You say it's an ugly sub but they all look the same to me lol

[@rdeEKINS]

I like to think that in this timeline all NATO members combined forces into one unified force with the American honours and medals system 😂

[@SchrodingerDeeps]

As always glorious intro! You may or may not be aware of some of the detection mechanics not advertised in the manual. I made a very short video to point these things out awhile ago. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oae3epSwZd9nl8k (Not a dig at your play style! Your consideration to use the layer to speed up was correct, but we have a slightly unrealistic gods eye view of the enemy sonar ability that you may not be aware of hah!) I hope this is handy, or if you would prefer no links like this my apologies!

[@ashleyphotog]

good god, the amount of faffing about and um'ing and err'ing is is frustrating to watch.

[@metaljewelgaming]

He still won the campaign...