Collagen Protein for Building Muscle: Is it a Rip Off?|. Educational Video | Biolayne

[@kestag2110]

Who uses Collagen for building muscles anyway? I use it with hyaluronic acid and Vit C for hair, skin and nails. I dont think Ive heard anyone recommend it for muscle growth

[@rodb66]

I use it collagen protein powder too but not for muscle growth. I just use whey protein for that.

[@dan110024]

I was also wondering this. Although I bought a bag of hydrolysed collagen peptides from BulkNutrients and it shows different dosages for hair/nails/joints and for muscle growth. So people must do it. I'll stick with the whey protein for building muscles though.

[@IchorSanies]

Fr bro is dumb asl and straw manning hard in this video

[@randombartz8163]

Exactly, the closest thing I can think of is athletes using it for recovery of injured tendons (very mixed evidence on that), but I've never seen anyone claiming that it promotes muscle hyperthrophy.

[@jassy0903]

I can't thank you enough for not shying away from the science. As a nutrition student, I had a hard time understanding (and remembering) the details of mTOR so I appreciate the review

[@Parker_Miller_M.S.]

Would love to hear your thoughts on this recent meta-analysis Layne: Impact of Collagen Peptide Supplementation in Combination with Long-Term Physical Training on Strength, Musculotendinous Remodeling, Functional Recovery, and Body Composition in Healthy Adults: A Systematic Review with Meta-analysis

[@johncip]

Not Layne and only skimmed, but thought I'd point out for discussion's sake -- I didn't see any mention in that meta-analysis of excluding studies where the placebo wasn't protein. In many of the collagen RCTs I've looked at, including dermatology studies, the placebo isn't protein, and often isn't even caloric. So you end up with e.g. two groups of men doing resistance training, and one group is taking supplemental protein (which happens to be collagen peptides), and they put on more LBM. There's an effect, but it's the one you'd expect, and the study fails to distinguish collagen from any other protein source. The study described in the video does though, since it's testing collagen against other (higher-quality) protein sources, and again, the results are not surprising...

[@Ryan_DeWitt]

Just a reminder, beef protein isolate usually a fancy sounding name for collagen. It is not like they took beef muscle and broke it down to a powder. It is all the throw away parts of the cow which are mostly composed of collagen.

[@koaboyy]

gotta find a good brand that uses real high quality cuts of beef

[@MMAFan-kq8mr]

Great point. If you look up the amino acid profile of Paul Saladino’s new protein powder, it’s basically collagen. Almost no leucine at all. $79 “high-quality protein” … surprised no one has called him out for that scam.

[@JustANobody1983]

@@koaboyyI use Paleo Valley beef broth protein. It’s collagen made from bones, not hides.

[@MaximusWhyman]

@@koaboyyATP Labs has a really High quality beef protein.

[@Ryan_DeWitt]

@@koaboyy If that existed, it would be incredibly expensive. Hence why they use the throw away parts.

[@Markhypnosis1]

I've never heard anyone recommend collagen for muscle building. The amount you take daily just isn't enough for that. It's usually to promote skin, ligament, health etc.

[@Entropic_Alloy]

He literally addresses it at the end of the video

[@Healthify360]

Exactly.

[@Simon-talks]

There are actually some RCT studies about impact of collagen consumption for skin. It seems like 5g/day seems enough dosage to see some effects on wrinkles etc.

[@ksyodeb]

@@Entropic_Alloy He trashes collagen peptides all the time. He doesn't miss an opportunity.

[@brownshit1]

@@Simon-talks bot

[@profdrlt]

Another so so take by Layne. Collagen is for skin and joints, not for muscle. Peptides are certainly absorbed. Even large ones. Rybelsus is an oral version of semaglutide, which is a 100+ amino acid peptide, and it is certainly absorbed in the digestive tract.

[@theulysses7236]

The Rybelsus formulation is not just the semaglutide peptide, but rather it is complexed with SNAC (unlike collagen supplements). This is the only reason that oral administration of the intact peptide chain is possible. Any one with a basic understanding of biochemistry would see this. Layne is 100% right here.

[@profdrlt]

@@theulysses7236 absolutely misleading claims! Fact - peptides are absorbed! Obviously small peptides (Collagen) are absorbed better that large peptides (Semaglutide). SNAC is basic absorption enhancer, just slighly better than Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), which is recommended with your Collagen regimen. With these clickbaity headlines Layne is (deliberately ?) ignorant of the work of Keith Baar, PhD and many others, who have produced ample evidence on Collagen for connective tissue health.

[@the_notorious_bas]

@9:47 I was waiting for this connective tissue rationale. Thank you for explaining this.

[@MaiWhisper]

Dr Brad Stanfield cites research stating that collagen peptides "survive" digestion and supplement collagen in the skin. If this is false, save me $30.00 a month. Vanity is expensive 🤣🤣🤣

[@harshdeshpande9779]

Brad Stanfield is a supplement shill.

[@withindarkness]

Ask, what are collagen peptides, exactly? Are these peptides not also present in whey? Or any high protein food? Likely in higher quantities, for cheaper.. All you need to know is what the final result is, and thats basically nothing. The good doctor can cite a million studies on various aspects of biochemistry, but if you can't demonstrate a real world difference, its all moot. In other words, good for the peptides surviving...they still don't help you.

[@anotherpolo1143]

Bro pls just read even the wikipedia on collagen​@@withindarkness

[@gur262]

Cheap amino liquid is collagen because slaughterhouse trash is collagen.

[@gur262]

Isn't damn Gelatine collagen?

[@DelenaLearns]

I do all of these. Whichever is on sale at my natural foods market. This is a great video. I was wondering this exact content the other day. Fantastic.

[@catabol]

Great video, as always! 🎉👏🏼 Do we know on good authority if collagen supplementation actually has added benefits to joint health and skin youthfulness? Or is that just a waste of money?

[@Schaufelor]

I would like to believe collagen is trash. Would save me money. But i swear that this stuff is softening my nails and skin. And it seems to improve my tendons aswell.

[@Simon-talks]

There are actually some RCT studies about impact of collagen consumption for skin. It seems like 5g/day seems enough dosage to see some effects on wrinkles etc.

[@Echo-bl7bd]

You know what also softens skin? Moisturizing 😂

[@Simon-talks]

incidentally, "moisturizing" with external lotions have been shown in dermatology research to be mostly trash, whereas, oral hyaluronic acid and collagen peptide supplementation have been shown to produce marked reduction in wrinkles.

[@Kylerdawg]

Thank you Layne, always good info

[@laurie896]

I love your videos! You debunk in style!!

[@sdickinson5234]

Just discovered today that Costco is now selling Kirkland brand whey protein. It was around $47 for 5.4 lbs vs. $64 for the premium brand. They only had chocolate flavor. My review - it doesn't mix easily but it tastes great.

[@simonsaysism]

In terms of collagen supplementation for collagen production in the body, have you seen some of the latest research detecting hydroxyproline in the blood? This amino acid is found only in collagen, and this study found that it survives digestion intact and enters the bloodstream. An idea under investigation is that hydroxyproline acts as a signalling peptide to have the body produce more collagen. This can be beneficial for the joints and skin.

[@bharatmohan2624]

Yes increasing chance of developing oxalate kidney stones

[@peterpan408]

@@bharatmohan2624 What oxalates? 🥩🥩🥩🥩

[@bharatmohan2624]

@@peterpan408 yes hydroxyproline a precursor in forming oxalate

[@paddy3622]

i don't see a sponsorship from vital proteins anytime soon.😉😉😉😉

[@blessedone5712]

Collagen is more for joint tissues and skin. I actually stumbled on the skin benefits by accident lol. I needed something for a sore knee and quickly came across collagen, tried it, and it helped! But I also noticed my faced looked much more clearer than ever before. Did a littler more research and saw that's the other main use for collagen. So now I add 2 scoops of collagen to my daily smoothies 😊

[@EezeeGroover]

I recently started adding collagen peptides to my regimen (on top of, not instead of, whey), and I swear I recover faster between workouts.

[@Killermike2178]

Collagen feels more or less like a supplement to another supplement. It's an incomplete protein, so you should mix collagen peptide powder with your whey/casein protein shake, drink bone broth with your eggs/meat at breakfast, or cook the rice you're having with your chicken/steak and veggies in bone broth instead of water.

[@qqq111444]

Collagen is a fad supplement. Doesn’t really do shit. It’s as useful as BCAAs which is saying they’re basically useless

[@chrishabgood8900]

I thought collagen was more of an add on.

[@JaredFont]

That’s because it is but Layne is the most pedantic person in the world. I mean even the packages of collagen say not to use it as a replacement for other protein sources. He just can’t help himself but be annoying.

[@Echo-bl7bd]

​@@JaredFontHow is he annoying? Can you explain why it's useful as an add-on? From what I gathered from this information it's not evidenced to show an effect you wouldn't get just from whey? Or is that incorrect?

[@Wartakles]

​@@JaredFontIt's not annoying, but necessary - I know people who specifically supplement with collagen, because they believe it's the shit for some reason.

[@rockyevans1584]

​@Wartakles it advertises as a skin care product. I didn't realize anyone took it to meet protein goals

[@JaredFont]

@@Echo-bl7bd Maybe it’s useful maybe it’s not I never said anything about that. Layne just plays things up like they’re a thing when they aren’t. It’s ironic because it’s the same thing the people he calls out do.

[@Monasterian]

I use collagen with my protein shakes along with my whey, casein and mixed protein shakes, but for my joint pain and such. I also put a small scoop of collagen in my homemade bone stock I drink with my coffee.

[@vengeanceiww2311]

I thought collagen was mainly for your joints and tendons. I take them because i was told it helps your knees elbows etc. Is it true or just waste of money?

[@edwilderness]

At the end of the video, he states very clearly that collagen doesn't go straight to your connective tissues, etc. It is broken down like all other proteins into individual amino acids that are used by your body as it needs to. He concludes that it is a waste of money.

[@RaveyDavey]

Layne - there are studies showing clinically significant benefits to the skin from collagen peptides. And they are placebo controlled human trials.

[@0dayExploit]

Could you talk about collagen protein from an injury recovery point of view?

[@FeedZeek]

lol he is only gonna talk about hypertrophy

[@Ryan-wx1bi]

I don't think people have ever claimed collagen was for building muscle? It's always been tendons and skin etc. I don't see the point of this

[@turbdonkey]

@9:47

[@Simon-talks]

There are actually some RCT studies about impact of collagen consumption for skin. It seems like 5g/day seems enough dosage to see some effects on wrinkles etc.

[@Macgee826]

I dont see the point of the majority of his vids

[@DILFDylF]

​@@Macgee826 Person with small brain admits to having small brain

[@Macgee826]

@@DILFDylF right back at ye pal

[@meltedsnowman9637]

Collagen peptide isn’t generally used for muscle building purposes to begin with. It’s used for things like skin benefits.

[@dannypacini9820]

I love how in the start you give the audience a quick answer to the topic before you begin going in depth ❤😂

[@TheSwayzeTrain]

My joints are pretty knackered from 16 years in the military. I take 20g of collagen protein daily for joint support. It's relatively cheap and if it even marginally helps offset further wear I think it's worth it the investment. I take whey for muscle building and eat plenty of lean meat.

[@davorzdralo8000]

But... it doesn't? Your body doesn't build its collagen from collagen you eat. It was explained at the end of the video.

[@ErasmusCrowley]

​@@davorzdralo8000 It is widely understood that a human can build muscles from eating animal muscles, but it's somehow impossible to understand how a human can build collagen from eating collagen? Animal muscles that you eat have the perfect balance of amino acids to support muscle growth. Animal collagen that you eat has the perfect balance of amino acids to support collagen growth. Why are people confused about this?

[@Simon-talks]

There are actually some RCT studies about impact of collagen consumption for skin. It seems like 5g/day seems enough dosage to see some effects on wrinkles etc.

[@davorzdralo8000]

@@ErasmusCrowley because not even basic biology works like that. Also, you can build muscle from any source of amino acids.

[@ErasmusCrowley]

@@davorzdralo8000 Clearly, some protein sources work better than others for building muscle. Or did you not watch the video?

[@pricklycats]

This is good timing for me to see this because I’ve had a lot of chronic pain/joint issues since I was 12 years old and I’m 24 currently (I have chest/shoulder/spine deformation thing and accumulated major imbalances from certain sports/repetitive activities) and I’ve been trying to research whether collagen would help me or not since it’s so expensive. I might still try it at least once regardless just to see if it does anything, but this video will help contribute to what I decide. I am a very crackly person for lack of a better word, like the type of person who’s knees crack every time I kneel down and my left shoulder joints grind together when I do arm circles or lift above my head, so I’m really trying to figure out what I should be taking to help lubricate things more. I was taking omegas for a while but I can’t always afford it.

[@mobashirmallick0786]

Sodium Hyaluronate, Diacerein ask ur doctor before starting

[@victorcs_]

Great video as usual. Thanks.

[@williamparker8840]

What would it take to get you to discuss the value of collagen, for purposes OTHER tham muscle building.

[@Simon-talks]

MONEY

[@edwilderness]

At the end of the video, he states very clearly that collagen is broken down like all other proteins into individual amino acids that are used by your body as it needs them, so there is no other purpose for collagen than there is for all proteins: building muscle as well as hair, nails, skin, ligaments, etc.

[@Simon-talks]

If Trump gets elected, he’s going to make collagen great again

[@thomasmichael7552]

The number of elderly patients I see with protein calorie malnutrition is concerning.

[@denisebatalha3552]

I was just discussing this with my sister who is a general NP... She said they typically consume less protein, as well. I told my father, since he's technically considered elderly in age, he should double what he's consuming. The man eats like a freaking bird

[@Simon-talks]

just look at biden and how frail he is already

[@mestrinimaster3602]

​@@denisebatalha3552yeah, mine too. And sleeps poorly also No matter what I say, falls in deaf ears 😢

[@curtis4982]

I’m really surprised hospitals feed their clients/patients Ensure products - it’s so full of garbage ingredients. I’ve always wondered why not just use whey.

[@peterpan408]

​@@curtis4982Unflavored unsweetened whey with collagen, creatine etc 😬

[@DiogoMudo]

Also this one: Effects of 12 Weeks of Hypertrophy Resistance Exercise Training Combined with Collagen Peptide Supplementation on the Skeletal Muscle Proteome in Recreationally Active Men

[@Xbitrate]

What about whey+collagen together?

[@bullinvginshop9011]

Buy from a price club if you can afford go for It I start every day with that combo mixed with cold brew coffee. I’ve tweaked different joints and tendons and I feel like recovery from these things have been pretty quick.

[@Santa-ny1yp]

This is the way it is supposed to be used. It's poor as a pure protein source. The collagen can maintain its di and tri- peptides and won't break down as much when taken with whey.

[@FartyHarley]

What about just whey protein only?

[@bullinvginshop9011]

@@FartyHarley yeah it’s great for muscles by itself. But there are potential benefits of collagen for tendons and joints.

[@Echo-bl7bd]

​@@bullinvginshop9011how much benefit? Benefits you -cant- get from the AA profile of whey and your own diet? Or can you get them fine from whey and diet, maybe with some more simple adjustments? If it just a small skin benefit or a large joint saving benefit?

[@cizmar1972]

Collagen is great for tissue, joints, skin, hair, etc. It's good to use in conjunction with Whey and other proteins.

[@tettsui7377]

@cizmar1972 ok but according to what?

[@Simon-talks]

There are actually some RCT studies about impact of collagen consumption for skin. It seems like 5g/day seems enough dosage to see some effects on wrinkles etc.

[@cizmar1972]

​@@tettsui7377 According to some studies I have read about. Google it.

[@saiforos7928]

Collagen does not get completely broken down into its amino constituents, but into peptides. "Thus, the results demonstrated that CH is absorbed predominantly as peptides, which subsequently enter systemic circulation." doi: 10.2220/biomedres.39.1

[@FartyHarley]

He said that in the video. The point is that what is floating around in your blood is not collagen but peptides that need to be assembled into whatever needs to be repaired. It cannot go straight into repairing tendons or skin.

[@brucejensen3081]

​@@FartyHarley I was under the impression peptides got broken down before they hit the blood stream and that's why they are injected

[@FartyHarley]

@@brucejensen3081 some very small di or Tri peptides can be absorbed into the blood, just not whole collagen proteins. Collagen has a chain of 19 amino acids. It’s all just building blocks that the body can use for whatever purpose it sees fit.

[@pi3ni0]

There are actually some RCT studies about impact of collagen consumption for skin. It seems like 5g/day seems enough dosage to see some effects on wrinkles etc.

[@nothanks2310]

citation

[@pi3ni0]

@@nothanks2310 I don't have now, but you can take a look at Dr Brad Stanfield channel. He has evidence-based video about collagen giving citations. Don't want this to sound like advertising though. He mostly cites RCTs, systematic reviews and meta analysis :)

[@toddmoon500]

I've taken collagen for about 1.5 years. I haven't seen any result that makes me believe it's good for connective tissue. I thought it might help with a knee injury, but it had no impact. I initially thought it was increasing my hair and nail growth, but those two effects stopped while I'm still consuming collagen. The only changes I see from collagen are reduction of wrinkles, looking younger and faster healing of my skin. If I don't take collagen for a couple of weeks, I notice my wrinkles are enhanced and I look older. I also noticed that scrapes, cuts and scars heal up a lot faster. This could all be in my mind but I'm sharing for discussion and to help understand if there really are any pros to taking collagen. After watching this video, I wonder if including Leucine with the collagen might have some benefit. If that's the case, it's probably cheaper just to consume extra whey protein.

[@dyderich]

thanks for breaking it down for us!

[@nickflynn621]

so explain to me why I see an improvement in my hair, skin, and nails when I use collagen....quality improves and they all grow a lot faster. Constantly clipping my nails and having to cut my hair

[@kevb.1791]

Cheap collagen Pork rinds Jello Bone broth I guess if you can stand the smell of bone I mix it with regular broth

[@ZxAMobile]

Mamalongoya

[@BC21beats]

I care about tendon and ligament health hopefully more research comes out for it

[@alexwinters6356]

great for joints and ligaments

[@JDHewes]

The days of me acing biochemistry I and II memorizing every step in protein translation and every acronym 😅 ahoutout molecular biology and biochemistry

[@SuperDak13]

Layne watching your analysis looks like you say collagen is useless… for MPS maybe, but it works for tendons, please make a video on it. Watch material from Keith Baar on the topic. Thanks.

[@pink9976]

Thanks you 🙏just save me $55 a month the collagen i was buying believing i was doing good for my joints

[@kjlovescoffee]

Is there anything collagen is good for?

[@dorotheufarias]

What about studies (randomized control trials) that show improvements in joint symptoms or skin wrinkles due to collagen supplements?

[@davorzdralo8000]

Are there any? Genuinely asking, I haven't seen any, but it's not like I do any of this for a living.

[@denisebatalha3552]

Due to my personal experience having consumed predominantly collagen in my diet for a few months, I experienced no difference in my joints (well, one was SEVERELY damaged, anyway, so discounting that one), skin, nor hair. I truly do believe, for the most part, it's great for those who don't consume, or have enough protein in their diet. Again personal experience, and I read a lot of studies. Having said that, and now that you mentioned it, I'll be looking into those specifics.

[@denisebatalha3552]

Also, consuming collagen won't increase elastin and collagen production in the epidermis as we age. I WISH, honestly.

[@ZxAMobile]

@@denisebatalha3552consume it for the glycine - most important amino, case closed, checkmated all of you.

[@johncip]

The dermatology RCTs I've seen have use a placebo that isn't protein, so when they show an effect they are failing to distinguish it from the effect that *any* supplemental protein would have. Would love to see some studies that don't have (what I consider to be) that flaw. At least in the muscle protein synthesis world, folks are pitting collagen against other protein sources, and once protein is equated, unsurprisingly, the extra benefit evaporates.

[@joelsombroek]

Gelatin is much cheaper than collagen and more or less the same, I guess.

[@danieltan5489]

Yet collagen is much better for our joints and skins ! do we really have to choose between? my humble solution is to just take both together in my shakes as part of a complete protein combo

[@richard217]

luv this..totally debunked the Collagen myth......

[@standUpForTurtles]

Newbie question. Will collagen peptides encourage bone formation? I get most of my protein from dietary sources topping up when required with WPC. There is no evidence to suggest my MPS is poor but clinically my DMD is very low. If it's all just small chain aminos by the time it's digested I don't see value in changing but I'm open to exploring anything that could improve my bone health even if it comes at the expense to muscle health.

[@peterpan408]

Indeed, Collagen is good.. but not for pure Amino content or hypertrophy. It is good for optimizing your bodies connective tiisues: cartilage, tendons, skin, hair, nails, and yes, muscle to a degree.

[@xylivb]

why do you and so many people say that collagen would be for hair and nails. neither our hair nor our nails contain any collagen, they are not connective tissue, why would collagen help there?

[@davorzdralo8000]

Because everyone mixes up collagen and keratin.

[@Radjehuty]

I'm not sure why. I mean keratin is also rich in glycine and proline like collagen is but keratin most importantly contains a fair bit of cysteine which provides the disulfide bonds to supply strength (also the bad smell when burnt). I don't believe collagen supplements will help with this at all. Then again, there are metabolic links between serine, glycine, and cysteine so maybe it could help with hair and nails but likely for people who are protein deficient to begin with.

[@davorzdralo8000]

@@Radjehuty I don't think it's that complicated. They sound similar when pronounced, and they are both heavily featured in cosmetics advertisements, so I think they just got merged in public consciousness. I think that's all there is to it. People are dumb like that 😂

[@mnemo7096]

Collagen is good in a moisturiser but as a protein powder it completely lacks tryptophan

[@denisebatalha3552]

Please explain how collagen seeps through skin cells...most of what you've heard is anecdotal

[@mnemo7096]

@@denisebatalha3552 its not what ive heard its what ive experienced, collagen in a moisturiser is very good for a skin glow

[@ZxAMobile]

Tryptophan is bottom tier amino. Stop.

[@mnemo7096]

@@ZxAMobile tryptophan is an essential amino acid that cannot be made from other amino acids

[@simonsaysism]

@mneno7096 @@denisebatalha3552 Collagen isn't absorbed through the skin but it does sit on the surface and trap hydration under it very well so it is indeed good in a moisturizer

[@nomadv7860]

Collagen doesn’t build muscle but it definitely supports skin health, I have zero hangnails after taking it and even my dad was shocked since I made him start taking it and he’s had hangnails his entire life, and now he doesn’t

[@lohroc1014]

Is collagen good for tendon and other conjuctive tissue recovery?

[@nay.murray6097]

result doesnt surprise me, i can only say this for collagen , the main things i notice is an increase in hair and nail growth, which also drops off if i stop taking it

[@Grumpyoldman666]

My understanding is that collagen protein is mainly used for connective tissues, skin, nails, etc by the body. I think there was just a study that showed post workout collagen protein did show an advantage for connective tissues

[@shatter5874]

Haven’t finished the video but does it help with tendon, hair and nails?

[@Levi1300-go6mq]

Would adding say, 2.5 grams of leucine to 25 grams of collagen protein improve the potential for muscle growth?

[@ZxAMobile]

Leucine is a myth, this guy is slow.

[@brianbadonde8700]

yes

[@michaelthompson2624]

I'm 68, male and train with weights. How much more protein, as a percentage, to ameliorate age related anabolic resistance?

[@ZxAMobile]

Double.

[@dhobbs1803]

Genuine question. Since collagen has more of the amino acids you would need for collagen synthesis in higher doses, couldn't that translate to more/better collagen production?

[@rachelshirley8403]

Honest question... was there any reason given for using only male research participants? Wonder if there would have been the same MPS level increases with whey and pea protein supplements in older females, or possibly insufficient leucine would have reduced the MPS?

[@areichental]

I guess my question is if i add collagen on top of whey protein, can i get the muscle protien synthesis while getting collagen to assist with connective tissue. Its a climber question.

[@moogleslam]

Thoughts on Whey Concentrate vs Isolate?

[@genethfireball]

Love the DNA/RNA talk

[@Dave-lx3vt]

Can vitamin C help in collagen (connective tissue) synthesis in the human body? If not, what does?

[@DrTomMD]

One issue beyond less than spectacular taste of pea protein is that to get those two 25g servings will probably cost 600mg of added sodium. It’s not an existential amount. But for people were trying to control blood pressure and get lean using a protein rich shake meal replacement type of approach, it isn’t totally irrelevant either. that said, I’m definitely willing to blend some whey PI and pea protein together in the spirit of flexitarianism.

[@wierdpocket]

"Old Layne Norton made a vid... E I F 4 G"

[@lioshamiles5933]

What about a collagen product that includes 3 grams of leucine?

[@FartyHarley]

What about just taking whey protein and not bothering with collagen altogether

[@aryananunez282]

I do exactly that! I add leucine when I take collagen protein because I cannot tolerate whey or pea protein well.

[@metalconvert2324]

Can you just supplement leuicine with collagen?

[@kevinsutube1p528]

I thought collagen protein was for tendon, ligaments and skin. Not building muscle

[@ryan-w]

@huberman lab podcast on skin health and appearance... referenced a direct connection from collagen intake/supplements to better skin out comes? I believe he specifically alluded to the fact that this is one mechanism that has a direct outcome. I would love to see your interpretation of his data sources.

[@HIT40PLUS]

Shocker …..who the hell takes collagen peptides for muscle protein synthesis.

[@steverino474]

Layne please do a video on hemp protein powder.

[@har.19]

The glycine in collagen protein knocks you the f*ck out in a good way.. best sleep I've had in years haha

[@bigjohnson011]

Definitely agree. The only down side I’ve ever had is taking it too close to bed time and then I can’t sleep at all.

[@Grumpyoldman666]

Thanks for the tip, might look to take 5-10g before bed vs mud day

[@youknowmysteez3]

Agreed.

[@trumpdrago517]

I’d like you to do one on amino acids that follow the map recipe like perfect amino. Seems too good to be true

[@thecaptain2118]

Whey protein should be combined with collagen protein... Creates certain functions for muscle building in your body, that do not occur without collagen. Think of it like any other meat... You need both; your body doesn't react the same without it. Thomas delauer made a recent video, quoting a recent study on this

[@Torviticus]

I had collegen as a supplement once. It was in a powder form after mixing with water i found this concoction to be unpleasant in terms of smell and texture. I dont know how affective it is but i can say it is icky.

[@ahnehtub2]

Collagen not great in building muscle but great for stronger tendons (10% growth if combined with resistance training seems a bit :) )

[@xylivb]

really 10% ? can you name the research?

[@snarlynx1]

@@xylivbyou can Google the meta analysis on collagen pretty easily. Seems like you know enough to ask for studies… but that’s it

[@ahnehtub2]

@@xylivb Can't find that precise one (10% in Achiles tendon) but take a look here: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9910607/

[@denisebatalha3552]

Really? Consumed a lot for months, still had to get surgery. 😊

[@snarlynx1]

@@denisebatalha3552 really? I put band aids on my bullet hole and still had to get stitches. See how dumb that sounds?

[@mrgrumpycat9049]

i never heard anybody in history that took collagen to build muscle mass

[@dvdgnz1]

Thanks, cause this collagen protein tastes like poop. I saw a vid where Aragon was talking about taking it so I bought some. Did he sell out? :(

[@Sinasi08]

Hey Layne, can you explain this to your friend Eddie Abbew?

[@justinkiarie9857]

what about collagen from cow feet or bone broth

[@mrssclarkie5474]

Collagen protein not good for building muscle- that’s all I need to hear. I’ll keep having my bone broth separately to my protein.

[@wenlambotomy6231]

DR GABRIELLA LYONS (WHO YOU STUDIED TOGETHER WITH) SAYS COLLAGEN IS BENEFICIAL FOR TENDONS/LIGAMENTS. YOU BOTH HAVE SAME QUALIFICATIONS AND BOTH LOOK FIT SO WHO TO BELIEVE!!

[@apothe6]

Go watch Physionics videos about Collagen and Glycine and come back Layne

[@brucejensen3081]

​@@roh_son what are you saying, peptides remain whole and don't need to be injected. I don't care about gristle, but what about sweetbreads

[@Dan-xb7cq]

Collagen isn’t even supposed to be for muscle building

[@FeedZeek]

Wouldn’t you just use collagen with bcaa then?

[@snarlynx1]

I knew this vid was coming after the Huberman podcast saying there were benefits after Layne said there was t

[@VernCrisler]

First -- for the algo.

[@tito5428]

It's funnier when you're not first

[@brennus01]

'deuterated water is cool' Ha! That's true! You can also say 'deuterated water is sweet'. Both are legit true.

[@brianpistolwhip]

I love these comments. It's as if they didn't watch until the end 😂

[@koaboyy]

only use collagen for joint healing

[@BasementBrandon]

Pretty easy to tell based off the comments on who has spent a lot of money on collagen protein 😅

[@Simon-talks]

There are actually some RCT studies about impact of collagen consumption for skin. It seems like 5g/day seems enough dosage to see some effects on wrinkles etc.

[@onthatdirtroad]

When you ingest any protein it 1st goes through hydrochloric acid in your stomach. It is broken down to aminos. The best protein it actual FOOD as none of these is complete.

[@testitestmann8819]

eat gummy bears, get jacked

[@Rawngus]

isoproline is to connective tissue as leucine is to muacle

[@ZxAMobile]

Hydroxyproline*

[@Rawngus]

@@ZxAMobile yes

[@jp7357]

its so cheap I add to my protein shake ..

[@konnor9577]

collagen has the precursor amino acits for creating creatin. and I was guessing if you are taking like 20g of collagen per day is similar to taking 5g of creating or something

[@ZxAMobile]

lol?