Collider Mail Bag - Should All Fox Heroes Go Back To Marvel?

[@definingmoments7]

I'm so happy they decided to push back bvs. It was probably to fit their overall vision, putting it close to SS... maybe working out a joker cameo in bvs etc. I've LOVED everything I've seen already... their confidence in the movie only puts a cherry on top.

[@CoreyAdolfi]

I really hope Batman vs Superman and Suicide Squad are good movies because if they're not then DC won't have a chance at having their own cinematic universe.

[@PrettyGoodSamuel]

Corey Adolfi I think we'll find out pretty soon, apparently people are getting early screenings coming up. So we'll at least get a thumbs up or down from someone

[@flrider14]

I agree. I'm glad to wait if they needed it to ensure the movie will be great. I do think that the funny thing is that people bring up the fact that WB wouldn't say it's bad, which is true, but this wasn't a way for them to promote the movie early(at least how I see it). If they were just trying to get good press they would've "leaked" the news about the screening to more outlets. Of course they wouldn't crap on the movie, but if they were giving undeserved praise, then they could've done a better job.

[@definingmoments7]

SJCookiEzZ No, the screening for fans are a week before the movie drops. No one but WB people will see it before them. Maybe critics/press will see it weeks before release, but not soon.

[@definingmoments7]

DaveShmave This wasn't something WB came out and said. It was leaked from someone. What if they actually said something like "RESHOOTS NOW" Then people would be worried, rightfully so. But for them to give a standing O, push back Affleck's other movies to make room for a batman solo... They're not just confident in the movie, they're confident PEOPLE, and the audience will love it too.

[@D4inJPN]

john I think the magic of Marvel comics and the MCU isn't the fact there is someone out there with super cool powers. It's the fact that there are many people out there with super cool powers and we get to see how they interact with each other. The relationship between Iron Man and Captain America is way more amazing and interesting than the powers that they have. Being the only fish in a pond full of tadpoles is cool, but what happens when your no longer the biggest fish in the pond... that's when it gets interesting.

[@STARBRAND-n2p]

D4inJPN Who's awesome? You are.

[@FlashCamel23]

Nailed it.

[@TOOSLOWFLASH]

Well said

[@TheBLT883]

D4inJPN yep u my friend nailed it

[@BlackPantherN7]

D4inJPN "what happens when your no longer the biggest fish in the pond... that's when it gets interesting." That was pretty much the end credit screen in Iron Man. Fury tells Stark that he is not unique.

[@upstairscat87]

I like how DC has all their properties under WB. No rights issues.

[@ZandeKongo]

Why do people act like Marvel have never messed up their own characters? Not every MCU film is that great. I think Fox should keep the characters, because contrary to what many people say, we need competition.

[@DarkSupression101]

TheoKabala89 Not all are great, but there's no bad one.

[@marioa5781]

+DarkSupression101 I'd say iron man 2 was a bad movie. Ultron and the Thor movies were meh.

[@mangosnack]

I don't trust marvel studios with their villains. I don't want doom, skrulls or Galactus when they most likely won't get better treatment

[@DarkSupression101]

Mario A It really is not a bad movie. It's decent. Passable. Not BAD. Thor 2, same. I think Ultron is good. Bad movies are the Amazing Spiderman movies, Blade 3, Ghost Rider. (I'm not going into atrocious like Elektra, Catwoman, X:Origins and such, so don't comment on that). Man of Steel has a vivid following who considers it a great movie and I put it on par with Iron Man 2 and Thor 2. I really believe that Marvel Studios movies range from decent to great. Few superhero franchises come close to that (except Fox's X-Men, since the only truly bad movie in that series is Origins).

[@HardcorePoet]

+DarkSupression101 Iron Man 3. Nuff said.

[@CustomFitted]

No...X-Men can stay because Fox for the most part is doin a good job with them, plus there's no room for X-Men right now in MCU anyway. F4, don't really care for those heroes but getting their rights means Marvel gets their villains too. Doom, Galactus, Kang, etc. So that alone is worth obtaining

[@dadarkknight36310]

Yeah but the problem with that would be how marvel does with villains. That's their issue.

[@CustomFitted]

dadarkknight36310 yea they've definitely not done a particularly good job with villains. While I do think the issue is overblown, does need to be fixed. Its mostly in the writing department. They usually nail the looks, and the voice, acting, etc. Its just the lack of screen-time, repetitive motivations, and being generic...all problems pertaining to the pen. So yea getting these villains back wouldn't necessarily fix the problem, because the problem is with Marvel itself not the villains they have. They just need to write the villains better period, and they need more screentime. No matter who it is

[@DarkEpyon123]

dadarkknight36310 I think Marvel's issue is that they are stuck with some of the more lack luster villains. If they could get a hold of Doom, Osborn, Magneto, Galactus, etc, I think they could do a better job. Even though, they did have a crack at a awesome villain like Ultron, and they just made him out to be Evil Robot Tony Stark.

[@CustomFitted]

DarkEpyon123 nah its not the villains they have it's the poor handling of em Most of the villains they still have are really good characters.

[@CustomFitted]

***** I agree...always thought they were some of Marvel's lamest characters and are extremely dated

[@Mrken2786]

FF4 made 11.3 mil Friday.. It's projected to close at between 20-25 mil by Sunday night.. While MI5 is priced to hit 28 -30 mil... Dear Fox: You've had 3 cracks at this. It's not working. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! Give Marvel a shot at this now! Jack Kirby is turning over in his grave at yet another colossal screw up of his beloved FF4. I just hope Stan Lee opted not to watch this garbage, I don't think his heart could take it....

[@slashkyoblack4]

And make The Avengers vs. Fanstatic Four

[@simonamorim1405]

Yeah but you are not gong to see the f4 till 2020.i would rather have another movie that might redeem itself instead of one that might be good 5 years from now.

[@BaalBlade]

kenneth phillips keep dreaming, F4stic destiny to fail from day 1, Black Johny Storm and Blogger Doom, that just ask to fail, stupid way too. But Xmen still alive and kicking!! Ant Man doing well, no doubt Dr. Strange would too, so why the hell Marvel need Fantastic 4, which most likely get their ass mob by the Hulk.

[@Teerapatkongrat]

kenneth phillips Yeah I feel sorry for Stan Lee seeing his characters getting treat like that

[@BaalBlade]

SpymanTIVC don't forget Batman and Robin, the all crappy Superman movie, and how about Wonder Woman, she didn't get crap, NOTHING for decades after decades. And when we finally Wonder Woman, she's a goddamn Arabic Underwear Model with barely any acting skills, WTF! So you feel sorry for Stan Lee, look at DC.

[@Anti-HyperLink]

Absolutely Anything is coming out in the US, just in September, the 4th. I assume that means the same will go for Canada, but the list on IMDB doesn't say Canada soooooooo :(

[@ryansampson5636]

Wasn't there a 20,000 leagues under the sea reference in F4. Reed went under that code name captain nemo.

[@sutterkane3264]

Does anyone know if they are going to continue the Movie Madness contests on Collider from AMC movie talk?

[@Darkknight2149]

This major misconception just shows how few people actually read the press release. *Sony still has FULL OWNERSHIP of the Spider-Man film license.* Marvel Studios does not have the rights to the Spider-Man movies anymore than they did before The Amazing Spider-Man 2.

[@sleepyazathoth5238]

"Let them keep the rights to X Men and Deadpool and give up F4 to Marvel" Man people are so fucking naive (or maybe is just ignorance of how the buniness works), that's not gonna happen. If they could revive X-Men after the Wolverine: Origins debacle, they can do the same with F4, learn from their mistakes.

[@sleepyazathoth5238]

dragonballz fan Your dumb, technically this is their first attempt to make a F4 post MCU and DCCU. the other two movies were not in the works of making a Fox cinematic universe.

[@woodykidd2k]

Jesus YOU'RE**

[@fostermcaffee7422]

The Wilfred But X-Men had already proven to be marketable, because the first two were critically and commercially successful. Even though a couple movies sucked, people still knew that Fox could make good X-Men movies and Fox knew that they could make money from them. Fantastic Four does not have that reputation.

[@yankeegrey2810]

The Wilfred After Origins they were 2-2 with X-Men movies. Right now they are 0-4 with F4. And this one is probably going to lose money, so they probably will cut their losses and let the rights lapse. They're only going to keep the rights if they can make money off of them, which they can't. That's why they let the Ghost Rider rights go back to Marvel too.

[@sleepyazathoth5238]

They're not gonna give the rights to Marvel (is a nerd dream), the best scenario we can dream is what happened with Sony, colaborate with Marvel and finally make theF4 movie we deserve.

[@dennis_nguyen]

If you want the podcast of Collider, just do a google search for 'youtube to mp3'. It's free!

[@roblex63]

Thought Bono had gatecrashed the collider studio.. Mr Campea sir, you are such a good communicator, informative, and you make the world of movie's a more interesting place.." and for that , we thank you". p.s. Would pepsi sponsor you ?.

[@gaztheman7879]

Always respect you John for keeping us up to date on all the backstage working in collider wouldn't mind a subscription service for the amount of content you produce

[@karehansen3727]

Fox wants to make X-Men TV-Shows but needs Marvel permission. What i think they should do is trade Fantastic Four rights with X-Men TV rights

[@SpaderB13]

Honestly, I think I can live without standalone Fantastic Four movies. Much like Hulk, perhaps they could be better used to spice up movies instead of being the main dish.

[@TheWeepingDalek]

Tommy North well F4 does have more diverse characters then a hulk movie will of it has a better chance. but a movie with both in would be awesome. there needs to be a live action hulk vs thing fight

[@joshjones9749]

Ding ding ding! Hit the nail on the head. THIS is why Marvel should get a hold of the F4 rights.

[@cj56478]

Josh Jones yeah fox sucks with fantastic four

[@sassyhere9393]

They would do an awesome job with them, another 1 billion franchise

[@cameronmcewen7192]

I'd like to see Reed Richards appear in the Black Panther post-credits scene.

[@evandest1983]

And where can we find the feed for the podcast?

[@gregshedd7629]

I completely agree with the guy that asked the question about Gravity it does not get talked about enough how amazing the cg in that film is and how seamless it is and how photo realistic they got those things to look. Part of the reason I think it doesn't get talked about is because its there primarily to serve story and not stand out on its own and thats just a testament to the quality of that film which I love btw.

[@peterparker1683]

John as much as I respect your opinion Spider-Man and the other superheroes are still special and if you say Spider-Man is special just because of his powers then you missed the whole point of Spider-Man and other superheroes. Hulk is special because Bruce Banner knows if he looses his temper or if he doesn't keep his heartbeat in check he wil loose control of his powers. Captain America is special because if he will fight corruption and if there is a opinion he doesn't agree with wether it's popular or not he will fight it. Finally Spider-Man is special because he is a teenager who is poor to begin with lives only with his aunt who gets bullied a school who deals with a boss that doesn't appreciate him all while being superhero where the people who he is protecting doesn't appreciate him.....and yet he still fights for them if you really think that super powers are what make superheroes special..then Superman is the most special one

[@CFilmer]

The great thing about the X-Men is in my opinion the theme "how do we treat people with such powers"? This would be impossible in the MCU, because this people are heroes in this world.

[@ahc1230]

they cant give back deadpool because no way will disney/marvel make a rated-R film

[@YukiAmeka]

"20,000 Leagues lends itself to being a franchise if done right." - It lends itself to a freaking cinematic universe is what it does! By writing The Mysterious Island - the crossover sequel of both 20,000 Leagues and In Search of the Castaways, Jules Verne himself put his stamp of approval on the idea. I personally would love to see a new In Search of the Castaways on screen. It was one of my favourite novels growing up, I still quote Paganel on occasion :)

[@darrickbeitinger7664]

Can someone link the cg video?

[@wildevil]

Fox and Marvel have each their own hits and misses. Some characters simply do not have the same stand alone potential as an Ironman or a Wolverine or a Captain America or a Spiderman. The characters I didnt mention rely on Avengers or X-Men titles to bring light to their secondary significance, meaning they only matter because they're all in one movie together while the bigger names do all the heavy lifting. Still, we;re fortunate enough to get 3 to 6 comic book movies a year because they are split between Fox and Marvel or Sony or DC or Vertigo or Marvel Knights, which is great for us comic book fans. In the case of Marvel, we cant expect them to carry the weight of the entire Marvel universe, cause what we'd get is quantity over quality. We'd get more Marvel characters spread thin into one movie studio that doesnt know what to do with them. I think although Fox failed with their FF attempt, it doesnt make Marvel studios a better alternative. They simply cannot squeeze in outside titles to their already crowded universe, and doing so would just put them out of place. In a perfect world we'd get to see Wolverine, Ironman, Spiderman, Silver Surfer, fighting along side each other in Infinity War, but it's not. We can just be thankful that these studios have brought us some of the best hits, even with their misses. Thank you anyway.

[@Marvin-lu3hj]

What hurts me the most about the Fantastic Four situation is that there is so much potential. The source material they are basing this version on is awesome imo and the cast is great. From what I'm hearing, this was just another case of when studios didn't know when not to interfere.

[@smlshin]

You make a point about the MCU being over-crowded, but I think the fanboys and the general movie going audience are spoiled by what Kevin Feige and the rest of the Marvel Studios crew have done. It's all about shared universes. It's all the craze.

[@smlshin]

Not as good? 74% sure, but it's the MCU's second highest grossing film to date. I wouldn't call dub that as "didn't do as good." But to Age of Ultron's defense, once the first Avengers film was made, the novelty wasn't going to be there anymore. We've been spoiled by their success so much so that other film studios are trying to create a shared universe modeled after them. Fox with the supposed X-Men & F4 crossovers, Universal with monster films, Sony(before they formed a partnership) with their Aunt May and Black Cat movie. But to each their own.

[@Ndoelicious]

***** Come on...it's because DC just had OE movie in current universe. DC didn't make it a coherent universe in the first place. Plus, Marvel Studio is a newborn studio (2009)..there isn't any history for the flaws..except for Iron Man 2 and 3. And The Incredible Hulk.

[@dabrolives804]

Ndoelicious 2005*

[@smlshin]

He left because he was tired and devoted his time to them for almost three years. No director really stays in one franchise forever, they need to make other movies as artists.

[@smlshin]

***** That's a point I think we're all aware of and what I tried to make cause the novelty isn't there anymore, but even then $1.3 billion worldwide is far from a disappointment. Yes matching expectations is something Marvel is gonna have to work on for the Avengers films, but 74% is still fresh, and an 87% audience rating is still high. We've been spoiled.

[@sumhunwithabiggun]

Just a thought, but what if they are somehow able to explain that the most recent F4 happened during the same timeline as the original X-Men Universe? That way it may be possible to salvage another shot at the franchise with the same actors, and team, but this time with better direction. I'm thinking it wouldn't be a popular idea, but it's the only way I can think of to save Dr. Doom.

[@deathsdoor07]

Eric Peterson I rather see a Doctor Doom origin story minus the FF.

[@sumhunwithabiggun]

That would definitely be something to see. Not sure how they'd spin the marketing for it though.

[@deathsdoor07]

Eric Peterson Well you could call the movie Doom or whatever. You can market the movie as a fantasy type movie like Harry Potter or LotR. You can show how complex a man Victor is. You can show how he became an egotistical man driven by passion, his love of his mother and him trying to free her soul from Hell. The movie can show him learning magic and his knowledge of science and him hanging out with the gypsies and him getting his face disfigured. Plus we will learn how he became ruler of Latveria. Just my two cents.

[@ShellymanStudios]

X-men rights can stay with Fox but Fantastic Four rights needs to come back to Marvel Studios. I don't see MCU will be overcrowded after phase 3 becuase all the actors and actresses contract will be up.

[@123rockfan]

Anyone else think Fantastic Four 2 (with the same cast) could be awesome?

[@undeadelvis85]

No

[@123rockfan]

The main 4 actors are all academy award caliber actors. If they get a different director and Fox butts the hell out, it could obviously have a great chance of being great

[@usernameusername2464]

Maybe with a better script. And no fox meddling

[@ryansampson5636]

Yes. The movie had great talent, but Trank or Fox just butchered it.

[@123rockfan]

Wallace West Say that to the millions of people who go see Michael Bay movies

[@marikotrue3488]

Thanks for explaining the Fantastic 4 backstory so clearly. Situation needs a documentary (as long as Josh Trank agrees to being interviewed).

[@stingersplash]

In the UK, there have been lots of tv spots for Absolutely Anything, but thats to be expected.

[@batmanfanizationreborn6055]

if by any chance marvel does get FF rights back what are they gonna do with them, they are way too busy. in the next couple of years they are gonna make 3 movies a year, they wouldnt have time for FF which is why fox should keep the rights BUT they have to get back to the drawing board. i would like to see a sequel with this cast cuz i am sure they have a good FF movie in them.

[@csjcsj2906]

Don't think that just because Abolutely Anything doesn't have a US release date, it's just gonna go straight to VOD. There are a lot of British films which get US release dates later on, like Ex Machina, Testament of Youth, Shaun the Sheep Movie, and the upcoming A Brilliant Young Mind (or X+Y).

[@grosiradu]

The guy named Scott Allan who asked here a question is he the same guy who is a consultant on pluralsight?

[@DMKelly20]

I don't think Fox needs to give the rights of the X-Men back to Marvel, since that franchise and cinematic universe is still going strong. However, I would like to see Fantastic Four go back to Marvel. Fox has demonstrated three times that they have no idea how to handle those characters appropriately (and I feel like Marvel Studios, based on their track record, could handle those characters well and handle a simultaneously light, yet dark, tone for the film as well). I also feel like the characters in the Fantastic Four universe could suit and add to the MCU exceptionally well, especially adding Dr. Doom as a major villain.

[@MK-oz2lf]

If FOX sells the rights of FF back to Marvel - that means we can see SILVER SURFER fight in the Infinity Wars or in a GOTG sequel. YES PLEASE. MOST AWESOME.

[@blueflameSM]

Oh, John was talking about FreddieW, CGI video. I found it to be very interesting as well, and it's pretty much all perception.

[@jackheeke6085]

A cinematic universe can't exist where people love the avengers and will know some of their secret identities and also hate the x men for being mutants

[@loborusify]

Please could you insert in descriptions time since the questions start? It would be REALLY helpful.

[@joshm2417]

To be fair, this "fantastic in the mundane" has had decades. How many superhero universes has there actually been? I actually like the idea that they are making a working functioning world. I think Ant-man was maybe a touch of the fantastic in the mundane. I do know that they did mention the Avengers in it. Mind you, you still got to see the average persons reaction to this super hero. I think that is a touch of having your cake and eating it too.

[@kinfernotheking]

um that isnt exactly correct John. they delayed Batman v Superman in January of 2014 and start filming until May of that year. in Fact the day another the film got delayed Snyder was spotted doing film Scouting at Michigan state.

[@craigharris41]

When did Black Widow and Hulk get there on Movies?

[@deathsdoor07]

craig harris The Hulk already has two movies.

[@top10sntributes20]

deathsdoor07 He only has one done by Marvel Studios that's in the MCU.

[@deathsdoor07]

Top 10s 'N' Tributes I know that but the op sounded as if he did not know there were already Hulk stand alone movies.

[@bobbyferrera]

John, you're wrong about Spiderman. During the promotion of Ant-Man, Kevin Feige has clearly said that Marvel Studios is producing Spiderman for Sony. Do some research on google if you don't believe me. Plus, the movie is called Marvel's Spiderman.

[@ColliderLadiesNight]

David D. Nope, look up the official production notes. Columbia Pictures (owned by Sony) is the primary production company. Sony is also the exclusive distributor. Marvel is listed as a "in association with" production partner because of Feige's involvement. Both Marvel and Sony have been VERY VERY VERY clear about this... Spider-Man is still Sony's property.

[@doomed2063]

If Sony were smart they'd let Marvel handle the heavy lifting with the character.

[@Leonardsmith1109]

Google is the same source where lunatics get their info for lizard people and instructions on how to talk to the dead. What's useful to some isn't always true. That's why you must dig deeper and go to the exact source :)

[@bobbyferrera]

ColliderVideos Yepp, knowledge is power and I have the knowledge. Sony still owns a licence for the Spiderman movies, I don't disagree with you about that, The official statement was just meant to make Sony look great like your own Jon Schnepp said on your show. Sony will distribute the movie, I don't disagree with you about that either. Amy pascal and Kevin Feige are co-producing, I don't disagree with you about that. However, here's where you're wrong, The Movie is basically produced by Marvel Studios while Sony is financing and distributing the movie. The movie will be produced and developped by Kevin Feige and his team at Marvel Studios. According to the list of Sony Movies that has just been announced, the new Spiderman movie is called ''Marvel' Spiderman''. Any way, here's the link that proves that I'm right: www.superherohype.com/news/344911-exclusive-kevin-feige-on-the-marvel-sony-spider-man-connectionDuring our far-too-short interview, Feige talked about how that partnership with Sony has been going.“We’re producing that movie for Sony and in partnership with Amy Pascal, so it’s been going through the same process of any other Marvel film would, and it’s been great. Tom Rothman at Sony has been very supportive in the decisions and obviously the two big ones we announced this week.”

[@ROArecords2]

David D. Yeah, that's my understanding too. Sony of course owns it, will distribute it and has final say when it comes to what happens in the movie, but it's pretty much being made by Marvel and Feige (with Amy Pascal). Sony probably isn't going to second guess them but they could if they don't like the end result. I'm betting that Sony will give them the benefit of the doubt for at least one movie.

[@gregshedd7629]

I agree with you john about not needing every superhero film to have to be in a larger universe and I think Deadpool will prove that. I do hope Fox keeps all of their Xmen characters but allows the F4 characters to default because they have some villains and such I would like to see in the MCU but yeah I actually like that Xmen has its own universe because there are so many characters and we wouldnt see half of them if they were in the MCU

[@blackmanwithcomputer]

People keep saying that the F4 rights should go back to Marvel, because then they get to use the awesome villains. You people act as if the MCU has done great things with any villain outside of Loki. Look at how memorable Red Skull, "Mandarin", Ultron, Makeleth, and Ronan are. FOX likes to give their comicbook movies a serious tone, and that's the tone Doctor Doom should be portrayed in. You want to see him making jokes like Ultron? If FOX can just get a director like Vaughn, or another director with comparable clout, and creativity, then the should be able to revive this corpse of a franchise. It's gonna take another reboot, most likely, but most importantly corporate suits staying the fuck out of the way post pre-production.

[@top10sntributes20]

blackmanwithcomputer Dr. Doom would not make jokes like Ultron, Ultron had a twisted version of Tony Stark's personality and a lot of Marvel's villains, such as Malekith, Red Skull and Whiplash didn't make jokes. Yes, Marvel has not had the best track record with their villains, but their worst villain in Whiplash is arguably better than all of Fox's versions of Dr. Doom. Besides, this is Dr. Doom were talking about, arguably the best villain Marvel would have, they would aim to do him very well at least.

[@usernameusername2464]

Watch. They'll probably kill doom off in a f4 reboot.

[@doomed2063]

I think its pretty safe to say that Marvel would handle Doctor Doom appropriately as he wouldn't be used as a throw away single film bad guy, but instead a villain that reoccurs during the course of several films. The reason the villains in the MCU haven't been that great is because Marvel has chosen to use the screen time to focus on and develop the heroes at the expense of the villains. So its Obvious that Marvel knows how to develop characters, they've simply chose to focus on developing the heroes up to this point. Doctor Doom would be Loki all over again and eventually Marvel would get to Galactus and Silver Surfer and fanboys across the world would cream In their pants when it one day gets announced.

[@doomed2063]

I think when its all said and done, should Marvel get the rights back to FF that we'll be referring to Loki, Red Skull (he'll definitely be back), and Doctor Doom as the MCU's holy trinity of villains. I least I hope so.

[@top10sntributes20]

DOOMED ! I highly doubt Red Skull will be back, Hugo Weaving has said he would never like to return to the role and Marvel seems to have respected that.

[@dont5692]

I put a "Like" way before I start watching this because you are reading our mails on weekends. This is more of a background to movie talk, is there anything you learned about moving from AMC to Collider? I know it might be sensitive but I am glad Movie Talk is still intact as a team. Keep it up.

[@ryanwaynex3506]

Wait John said that Josh Trank is younger than alot of you watching. How many teenagers (13-20) are in the audience today?

[@JosephDutra]

I'm so glad to know you loved The Man From UNCLE. Makes me want to see it more.

[@stefanodunne96]

Will Ashley be coming back to Mailbag? She really adds something to it.

[@Womack16]

FOX can keep X-Men they're doing good with that now Fantastic Four on the other hand yeah maybe it's time for FOX to let FF go and give it back to Marvel

[@sangthanhphan]

I remember 20 Leagues was in prep of casting BGs in Qld and building the water stages in Vic-Australia which was then used in Moon&Sun with the Chinese funding company.

[@NaihanchinKempo]

John on the CG Qustion His Name is Freddy Wong (rocketjump)

[@Zz_Dreamer]

where is Ashley

[@Taco1011]

HlekeTon Y She's dead.

[@stunymkcil7733]

She passed away unfortunately

[@definingmoments7]

Taco1011 not funny

[@Taco1011]

Desert bats Alrighty then Buzz Killington.

[@Zz_Dreamer]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Ashleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[@abhirao8582]

John, it's so nice to see somebody who actually has nice things to say about Man of Steel!

[@SullyFox]

Well, to be fair, the X-Men films already feature 50,000 superheroes running around, so them being added to the MCU wouldn't really matter. I wouldn't mind FOX asking for some assistance with their Fantastic 4 movies. They're obviously lost when it comes to that franchise.

[@TheJoshandAlanGroupOriginal]

I much rather get a good Fantastic 4 movie every 5 years than what they're doing now which is a crappy Fantastic 4 every 8 years. I get your point about no one being special, but I think that's outweighed by how much fun it is to have all these characters in 1 universe. Now whenever we watch a Marvel movie any character can show up at any time (Falcon in Antman), which means the Fantastic 4 can show up a bunch without getting a standalone. A Guardians of the Galaxy/Fantastic 4 crossover done right would be amazing.

[@pcmacintyre]

What is the link to the podcast?

[@dennis_nguyen]

pcmacintyre If you want the podcast of Collider, just do a google search for 'youtube to mp3'. It's free!

[@MorsecodeZ]

I'm curious about something: you think that we'll get regular spider man movies because they're in Sony's control and not Marvels, but if they got control of FF they wouldn't have time to make the movies. But the next Spider Man movie was inserted into an already-claimed MCU slot. If Marvel got control of FF, why don't you think they would make adjustments to their schedule and space out the movies even more. As much as I enjoy my favorite comic characters in the theaters, I'd rather there were less movies per year if they were going to be good movies, rather than a bunch but some suck.

[@Prodighee]

I have a counter argument Mr.Campea. How can Ironman, Captain America, Thor, Ant-man, how can all of these properties work without the existence of Shield and the Avengers. Marvel has decades of story material that the sense of being overcrowded won't be as much of an issue if they maintain fresh and entertaining storylines that work in cinema. You can get away with maybe a Dark Horse standalone film but DC and Marvel characters are meant to intermingle, don't believe me, wait till they run out of ideas for X-men standalone films.

[@doomed2063]

It'll never get overcrowded as I think after Phase 3, many of the Phase 1 characters (Iron Man, Cap & Thor in particular) will transition into background players as Marvel turns their attention to the new characters they've introduced and focus on them and their corner of the MCU.

[@messedupdude11]

The only reason I would want Marvel to get back the film rights to FF is because I would KILL to see The Thing face off against the Hulk. I would even not mind seeing Fox and Marvel have a similar deal for FF like they do with Sony with Spidey. Make it happen.

[@StarWarsAddict527]

Why do they need to fight?

[@messedupdude11]

Its always been a classic match up of Marvel Monsters.

[@julianpagano1659]

Nice Hulk action figure you got in the back :)

[@Banksy793]

Hey, crazy thought: you said that fox won't interfere with a big time director. What about Joss Whedon? I would love to see Joss' Fantastic Four.

[@ColeMovies]

First Class and DOFP were great and I think Fox has a few tricks up there sleeve. I have trust in Apocalypse and Deadpool

[@dels.april12]

So happy that you liked the man from U.N.C.L.E ,I'm so excited for it! Hopefully it could be like Kingsman and became a sleeper hit!

[@dwanbryant9448]

Im sorry I understand where you coming from but I would absolutely love to see the creative vision of marvel on xmen. Xmen days of future past had a good story but still had some inconsistency. My opinion Phoenix was one of coolest idea but bombed and i really think they gone drop the ball with Apocalypse which is one of the coolest villain of marvel.

[@Thurmanation2011s]

I just want to see Dr. Doom in the MCU. He would make a great phase 4 villain. After Thanos, the MCU will need another tangle threat and Dr. Doom would fit the bill.

[@goldschool6288]

Thanks John for your solo weekend videos.

[@Tigerfist84]

Getting too crowded??? Why are you making a problem that hasn't come up yet? Marvel hasn't had problems with too many heroes in their universe so don't assume it won't work. We need heroes globally and that works better with more heroes in the MCU

[@SovietHampsterLord]

Brandon Avery They pretty much destroyed scarlet witch and quicksilver because it was too crowded. Not to mention Ultron had barely any buildup to his character. Do you really think AoU would have been any better if they crammed more xmen and the fantastic 4 in there?

[@Tigerfist84]

Michael Lee I wouldn't say they destroyed those two but it could've been better. Wasn't eh directors fault. 50 mins of movie was left on the floor. It was the studios fault. They need as many heroes on earth as possible for Kang the Conquer, Galactus, Kree Skrull war (if they get those rights back too).

[@ceezamunie]

I want Fantastic Four back with Marvel so that Marvel can have the Skrulls and Dr. Doom in the mix. As far as I'm concerned, they can cancel FF. I would keep Reed Richards just for his genius, creating the gateway to the Negative Zone, and working with Tony Starks and others.

[@enthnd03]

Fincher if I'm not mistaken needed to step back from movies and rethink his future for a little bit after Alien 3

[@cunc20]

The MCU isn't really overcrowded but if you think that it is. It's taken 7 years to get that way. Iron Man came out in 2008 and now 7 years later, we have about what 10 heroes?

[@sulti1274]

The rights has to go back. I mean it's been 20+ years and still managed to screw all the movies. If you can't at least give Dr. Doom, Galactus and silver surfer back to the MCU

[@aaaapee]

my girl is a massage therapist and one of her clients used to be an editor for fox and man did he spill some stories about how horrible that studio was when he worked with them, so its not surprising hearing how shitty they were in the production of fantastic 4

[@kanemorris5752]

I literally just said what you did about the rights on your Fantastic 4 Spoiler review. "I don't think any other rights should go to Marvel their films have too many characters in as it is, why would you want more?" X-Men films are the best imo and they should stay but should only make more if they can keep the same cast.

[@CalebByRamen]

dude i would absolutely pay 3-5 (or even a small bit more) for the collider podcasts

[@lSullstar]

The Fantastic Four rights aren't Fox's to sell. They still belong to Constantin (who made the 1994 Corman film) and Fox just has distribution/creative rights, it's kind of leased to them from Constantin. So they can't make a Sony-type deal AFAIK

[@plypayj3]

I think Marvel should try and buy back a certain few key characters not all of them, just some like Galactus and the Skrulls because Fox will probably never got all cosmic again in there movies, and I know this won't be a popular opinion but I kind of like having the mutants separate from the superheroes in the MCU, expect Wolverine he should jump universes and join the Avengers

[@AngryGoats555]

Is the new deadpool connected with the Xmen? Because I feel like fox is gonna have a hard time crossing over an R franchise with a PG-13 one

[@SuperShanko]

***** Well, aside from the obvious of Colossus, the girl has an X-men-ish yellow uniform on, so they _do_ exist in Deadpool.

[@Evil_Peter]

The X-Men actually work better without the other Marvel heroes because then the whole humans vs mutants issue becomes so much stronger. If you have gods, radioactive supermen, etc running around the mutants don't seem quite as special as a threat to humanity. I'd absolutely love it if Marvel got the rights to the Fantastic Four back though. I don't really care that much about the heroes in that property, but the villains would be awesome to see done in the MCU way. Not least Dr Doom who has been through character torture with Fox.

[@stormking989]

I had a prediction of the film making $30 mil but instead it only made $26 mil, behind the $29 mil from Mission Impossible. I saw the Simon Pegg's Absolutely Anything movie trailer.

[@rorschach221]

"Campea and Schnepp After Dark" would be a great podcast. I think if they were to indulge in a few adult beverages during recording it would would definitely make for a good show haha

[@thefilmeffect6089]

I want Fox to sell the rights for Fantastic Four to Marvel, but I 100% do not want Marvel Studios getting the rights to X-Men. If Marvel owned X-Men, we wouldn't have got a great films like the first one, X2, First Class, and we definitely would've have got an amazing film like the recent Days Of Future Past. That movie was dark, tense, and had a lot of emotion. Marvel wouldn't have made a movie like that. They would have made it too cartoony and too overly funny. It also would've had any real emotion, and it would have been to formulaic like a lot of there films are. Fox has fucked up X-Men movies before, but the last three movies (adding the wolverine) were good. I have no complaints right now.

[@Noctis198]

ColliderVideos Love the vid John, thank you for definitely shedding light on a few topics yet still don't get how MOS was a masterpiece but that's just me I guess, but to me the best example that you could've given was the standing ovation that Green Lantern got a few years prior that's why I was very put back by the story myself. To me, it kinda put a bad light on Gal Gadot and Henry Cavil because they aren't getting trilogies yet Affleck is and hell Cavil who I will agree is a good Superman doesn't even have his own solo movie yet.

[@fistbumpstudioz4548]

A year ago I would plead for Fox to give the rights back to Marvel. But given how much they're screwing Spider-Man up....I'd prefer for the FF and the X-Men to stay with Fox. Hopefully Fox learns from Fant4stic.

[@w10u1sg]

First, I really appreciate the mail bag show. Thank you for doing them. Second, I really disagree with John's notion that if Fantastic Four should not be with Marvel. The notion that the characters lose what makes them special because there are so many of them is...odd. I mean, I've read comics and never thought, "well, that's a cool comic, but with so many heroes in this Universe, what makes this character special?" What makes them special is the story being told. Marvel Studios made Guardians of the Galaxy special. They made Ant-Man special. Come on, they could make a great FF movie and they would stay plenty special. I mean, differences of opinion and all that, I just think Marvel would do just fine if they added FF to their cinematic universe. I'm not worried one bit.Fox has more than proven they don't know what to do with the property.

[@michaellamarsimeon9373]

Fox can keep X-Men just give back Fantastic Four. I want to see Doom, Annihilus, Skrulls, Kang the Conqueror, Galactus, Silver Surfer, and Terrax in the MCU.

[@unknownyoutuber2407]

At this point I honestly don't care what happens to the Fantastic Four or who has the rights. All I want is a good FF film and that's it. As for X-men and Deadpool, Fox can keep the rights to them. Most of The X-men movies have been great and Deadpool looks promising. If Marvel/Disney were the ones doing, then they'd probably make it PG-13...

[@thekingofbelize933]

It really comes down to who can do the Fantastic Four some real justice. And personally for me, it's Marvel Studios. Let Fox concentrate and invest their money in their "mutant" universe. Let them expand and create movies/tv shows for Cable. X-Force, X-Factor, etc. Just my 2 cents.

[@jadedragon216]

Folks do realize that whether it stays with Fox or goes to Marvel, there's not going to be FF movie happening anytime soon. Most likely around eight years with Fox when the rights deadline pops up or Marvel Phase 4 which would be about 5 years away, and even then, I'm not sure Marvel would have any desire to do FF after the recent reboot. They got to air out the stink for a while and/or rehabilitate the characters to general audiences in other movies before that attempt can even happen. Although I did hear a rumor that another issue with the whole X-Men/FF crossover that Marvel would actually need to give approval for that to happen, so we might not be seeing these characters for awhile.

[@ExtremeOutsider]

I think you are confusing movie rights with Ip rights when Disney bought Marvel they basically bought the Ip rights to Spider Man now the movie rights are at Sony but Marvel owns Spider Man they just do not have the live action rights until recently where Spider basically comes to move universe at Marvel

[@bryanasare1632]

That CGI video is narrated by FreddieW. The channel is Rocket Jump Film School.

[@Dalamartm]

Coming from someone that works six days a week , thx for giving me a reason to live john!

[@DavidGerlachChannel]

I'm so sick of this 'Give everything back to Marvel!' Did anyone not see the last X-Men movie! That was an awesome Fox movie! Fox makes just as many good/great superhero movies as Marvel does! Marvel screws up just as much as any other studio does! Marvel, based on popular opinion, has made one good Iron Man movie out of 3.

[@DavidGerlachChannel]

***** Spot on.

[@noahzard6743]

It's annoying to have two separate Marvel universes, and Marvel has had far more success with their films.

[@helzapoppin9810]

DavidGerlach Singer's X-men films are wildly overrated. DOFP was just not THAT good.

[@DavidGerlachChannel]

Helzapoppin 1 If that's the case, Captain America: The Winter Soldier and The Avengers are just as overrated.

[@helzapoppin9810]

DavidGerlach according to no one whose opinion matters

[@tylermanning3532]

"There is nothing special anymore" To me one of the most special things about comics is seeing what a character represents. Sure it's cool to see someone lift a car but if you can't identify with that person, it's not interesting. Spider-Man is special because he's the classic underdog story. He's some down on his luck nerd (that is basically an orphan) teenager that no one expects to be this great hero, yet he is. He also adds another dynamic by seeing a teenager deal with these huge burdens a superhero has, and not a man dealing with them. Hulk is special because he represents the duality of man. He is a symbol of what a person can become without control. Daredevil is special because he is a guy that finds redemption in tragedy. The Avengers are special because you see these various superheroes use their differentiating powers and ideologies to get to achieve a common goal. The special doesn't always have to come from the fact that a hero has powers.

[@karnak333]

I think Fantastic Four needs to revert back to Marvel for reasons beyond the four members. Marvel would be wise to get back the rights because if Marvel gets back Fantastic Four they get back Doctor Doom, Silver Surfer, Galactus, Kang the Conqueror, Annihilus, The Watcher, Super Skrull (maybe even The Skrulls themselves), Blastaar, Molecule Man and many more. The Fantastic Four is rich with characters and Fox has barely scratched at it's surface for the past 20 years. They just need to admit that they just can't turn this franchise into a viable franchice and give it back to Marvel for a price. Fox wants to make an X-Men TV show and they need Marvel's consent to do it. Maybe if Fox gave back Fantastic Four movie rights , which is a completely unprofitable franchise for them, in exchange for the live-action TV rights to X-Men.

[@kevinducharme7047]

there would be nothing special about the x-men if they were in the marvel cinematic universe because they would be among thousands of super heroes? the whole idea of the mutants in the x-men is that there are more and more of them coming out from hiding but they are everywhere. super heroes are special because of the stories they tell, not because they have powers and are stronger than normal people.

[@Celerott]

Hey John, couldn't Marvel just have multiple Universes and put Fantastic Four in another Universe and every few years have the Universes converge together and have one massive crossover two part Movies, then after the two Movies the Universes split again but reference the crossover incident?

[@pvfeB7Ax]

Oh snap, the man from uncle is opening up this week? Gotta go check that out!

[@strongarm852]

I think what Fox should do is this. They should partner with marvel in a similar way to how Sony down the line. So after Infinity War is done, Marvel can gear up for some other universe changing event, like Secret Wars, and in the aftermath of Secret Wars they can combine continuities with the X-men. So Initially the Avengers and the X-men can be pitted against each other as each of their worlds come to an end, only to later unite against a common foe (like the Beyonder) and then when it's over a new universe gets created that combines were both continuities exist in some form.

[@Robert1211995]

John I respect your opinion but I think you're wrong the reason fox needs to let the fantastic four go is because fox doesn't know how to do a good fantastic four movie.

[@bobbyferrera]

robert ross Listen clearly. John said at the end of his speach that it's time for Fox to let the F4 go.