Josh Macuga Watched the Michael Jackson Documentary

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[@JDotWill]

Rocha, the “Whole Black Community” didn’t turn on Terry Crews, what you quoted was an exchange between him & DL Hugley

[@zekelandowner5029]

J. Will exactly 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@GEEKICIDALTENDENCIES]

all you had to say was Rocha! he always turns shit around..

[@contra3six977]

Don't know if he done this but the facts are a 30-50 yr old man sleeping in the same bed with a child multiple times, draw your own conclusions.

[@geneviepastor3409]

haysss another judgemental

[@magnum1980]

So Macuga automatically judges a person based on allegations in a one-sided documentary where there's no actual hard evidence or proof? That sounds really rational. I guess all of those court cases that were thrown out or he was never convicted don't mean a thing. Right.

[@Hypno_BPM]

MAGNUM i feel like all of california is full of idiots like him.

[@voidgear856]

@@Hypno_BPM he's the type to get sued for fake news. He's talking like this is all FACT

[@Hyde1415]

Macuga has never been a smart cookie.

[@bhilldesign]

MAGNUM It is an undisputed fact that MJ slept in the same bed with little boys. He admitted it in court and in interviews. It’s undisputed that MJ had high audio and video security in his bedroom and bedroom hall. It’s undisputed that MJ had a large box of pornography including child porn in his bedroom and that the court found MJ’s and the children’s fingerprints on. These are facts of the case. We want to believe Michael because he made great music but everyone needs to wake up to the truth. Watch the doc and then do your own research.

[@ianleex6874]

@@bhilldesign wrong, there was no child porn in his bed room. stop spreading lies. A little bit of research will tell you that is not the case.

[@Zombeastsqurl]

I believe them. The whole thing of certain people defending MJ is so obtuse because just because it didn’t happen to you, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen to other people.

[@faa1412]

but on what grounds are you believing them though? Wade was begging MJ's Estate to be the lead choreographer for the Cirque Du Soliel MJ "ONE" show and and in July 2011 was on camera talking about it as if he got the job, but he didn't get the job.... 10 months later he claims MJ molested him...

[@StrongerThanYsterday]

Because there are a lot of facts against these two

[@geneviepastor3409]

haysss another coco head

[@joseluiscanales3930]

I believe it could have happened but no ones word should be taken as fact.

[@gerryobrien7973]

agreed..... most measured response I've seen on this comment section.

[@ronaldwebb3387]

Exactly

[@bhilldesign]

It is an undisputed fact that MJ slept in the same bed with little boys. He admitted it in court and in interviews. It’s undisputed that MJ had high audio and video security in his bedroom and bedroom hall. It’s undisputed that MJ had a large box of pornography including child porn in his bedroom and that the court found MJ’s and the children’s fingerprints on. These are facts of the case. We want to believe Michael because he made great music but everyone needs to wake up to the truth. Watch the doc and then do your own research.

[@gerryobrien7973]

@@bhilldesign I thought it was the maid that found the child porn and not the cops? And the prosecution went on her word? Did the cops actually find that box in his home?

[@ronaldwebb3387]

@@bhilldesign over half of that evidence was proven false that is also an undisputed fact. Not to mention that MJ was investigated for 10 years straight and found no evidence not one smoking gun on top of that he went to court three times for this and won all three times not one but three back to back. I don't care if MJ is rich for one man to go through all that and not get convinced AT LEAST one time is practically unheard of. So you expect me to believe that MJ is supposed to be like this criminal mastermind that's smarter then an entire agency full of trained investigators? How? when the most intelligent people that the FBI ever faced weren't that good.

[@educatedscum5306]

Where's the proof???

[@TheNichq]

Where is the proof of what Weinstein did. Why did everyone believe the actresses? Your only believed if your a women accusing a fat old guy?

[@matthewcarter1973]

Dont need proof. We just running wit this lie😑😑😑

[@alexh4319]

Nicholas Hebding Actually there was proof of Harvey Weinstein’s misconduct.

[@abyoungrome136]

@@TheNichq proof is dozens and dozens of people selling stories and accusing and NOBODY at all defending him. Where's all these people coming out the woodwork accusing MJ??

[@_Schwartz]

Read the court documents dummy. All the evidence is there.

[@DylanisHere04]

I’m a Josh Macuga fan but he is making the mistake of presenting the documentary as if its fact, which it isn’t. There is reasonable evidence on both sides.

[@JDotWill]

I’m just waiting for the docs about Mick Jagger, Elvis, David Bowie, Steven Tyler & Ted Nugent.

[@frankwil21]

ur not gonna get those. They're white

[@shotbynolan1705]

J. Will Oh me too

[@StrongerThanYsterday]

I'm waiting too lol

[@wesleymcgrath4340]

I’m black...what’s it got to do with race? If somebody powerful that people idolise have a dark side and do illegal things then it should all be brought to light

[@LanaFromHawaii808]

It has nothing to do with race... We literally just went through all the breaking news of Harvey Weinstein that started the MeToo movement. Also Les Moonves who was the president of CBS. Its powerful men getting caught finally.

[@seanmcquillan6190]

I think the word josh keeps missing is “Apparently”

[@craighofmann638]

Or "allegedly".

[@seanmcquillan6190]

Well yeah that too (worded wrong my bad)

[@BigNak364]

It’s sad how easily these commentators are now convinced that Michael is 💯 guiltily from a one sided fake documentary, without both sides. It easy to compile a profile on someone and paint them in a particular light, I’m surprised the director never interviewed some of the high profile kids that spent years hanging with Michael...why is that?????

[@_Schwartz]

Because those kids weren't abused. How dumb are you

[@npe9483]

I have no dog in this fight, and have no idea what is true or false in this story, so am reticent about making any claims. But, I don't get why Michael Jackson allegedly paid £124m on 20 different claims if he was innocent, including Evan Chandler.

[@_Schwartz]

@@jihadsmith762 because they don't have the money to take Jackson to court. How dumb are you.

[@allusio88]

There were no 20 other claims... Insurance company paid for MJ to Chandlers because MJ was on tour back then... But with Arvizos he went to court and was found NOT guilty of all charges! That's it.

[@allusio88]

@@_Schwartz do you understand that there was an investigation and there could be a trial if parents didn't ask for money instead?

[@robaxl3088]

Because he was guilty and we all know the one thing that can get you outta trouble including murder (o.j Simpson)..is MONEY

[@DamienW1983]

A parent accepting money and not pushing to have someone who supposedly molested their child sent to jail should speak volumes.

[@producedproductions]

Its like Josh has never seen a one sided over dramatized documentary before?! He's speaking like everything is matter of fact! Wow...

[@theliberatedmimi]

He is speaking like was there and involved. Obviously taken in by the documentary. But this is group consensus.

[@Moonfreeze]

I'm curious, did you see it? The doc I mean

[@doc8013]

How tf could you watch that documentary and come to any other conclusion?

[@producedproductions]

@@doc8013 because media.

[@annemclean2548]

​@@doc8013maybe he has read cout papers and knows it is full of provable lies.

[@ChaseAJYT]

Here’s Roxy’s problem, she say she’s a believer of people. People are paid to say false things and get people in trouble! Some people just don’t like others and want to see them burn

[@supremeleader1364]

Chase McAndrew Roxy’s opinion is about as valuable as a used Kermit the frog pez dispenser.

[@faa1412]

Alfonso Ribeiro appeared on Geraldo, to say there was never a time when he felt uncomfortable with Michael Jackson. Ribeiro, at the age of twelve, had starred with Michael and the other Jacksons in a Pepsi commercial in 1984. Ribeiro felt like Michael was one of his buddies and felt the allegations were “preposterous”. He also disclosed that his own father was offered $100,000 by a tabloid to say anything negative about Michael Jackson. - Lisa Campbell’s, “King of Pop’s Darkest Hour” The defense witnesses included Tim Whitehead, Michael’s cousin who is very close to Michael, who told the jury he had been offered $100,000 to say that Michael is gay. He refused and said he has never seen any behavior that could be construed as child abuse. - Lisa Campbell’s, “King of Pop’s Darkest Hour”

[@ChaseAJYT]

A Matt Alfonso Ribeiro also just sued Fortnite for the copyright of the Carlton dance and lost

[@maikubraxton]

Chase McAndrew but he should have won... he invented the dance.

[@radrobd123]

@@maikubraxton No he didn't. He admitted he borrowed it from someone else

[@damion6666]

People who haven’t watched the documentary don’t bring much to the table but old news.

[@indiojuan1332]

Regardless what your opinion is, whether you believe or not, whether you agree or not...I can say about 95% of us (the audience, the fans, the media) never had an interaction or had a personal relationship with Michael. None of us knew him enough to get the real raw truth from his side of the story. Yes, there are court documents we can look back on but there are always 3 sides to every story. Every one. In this case, there's the alleged victim's side, MJ's side, and the truth. However, I don't care how powerful you are, how popular you are, how successful you are...no one is above the law. That means if I see my child detained against his/her will with a person I have not given consent to watch over my child in the absence of my presence, my default action is to call the authorities to intervene! So if that wasn't done the first time, nor the second or third or the 100th visit, then we are looking at the possibility that the parents willingly chose to bring their child repeatedly over and over and over again to visit MJ with no other adult and/or parent supervision. Already at this spot...I am not sure who has a worse twisted mind. The parents or MJ. As a parent, to consistently be okay with having these interactions take place in the first place, something is out of line in your mind as a parent. Now in every relationship, whether it's business, platonic, or romantic, we all participate in a relationship to get something. In other words, we are never in a relationship with someone without getting something in return. So lets flip the coin. If the parents knew that there was even a slight possibility that their own child was being molested by another adult and I as a parent continue to provide and establish interactions with this adult...why would you continue to engage in this interaction? So as a parent, if I know something is not right, and I received payments, rewards, hush money to allow this to continue...who is the real monster here? Parents looking at their children as piggy banks, sacrificing their childhood/innocence for a good retirement plan? We need to look with a fine comb on the alleged victim's side just as much and as aggressively as we are with MJ!! Granted MJ has a background of why his mind got twisted. It is simply covered by saying Joseph "Joe" Walter Jackson. This doesn't justify MJ's behavior, if the allegations are true. But it explains a lot.

[@Ningnomaningnong]

Good on you for asking questions and not just blindly saying "Nope. Nope. Nope."

[@lordvader4934]

Yeah, but it's still the same if they're blindly saying "YUP, YUP, YUP"

[@mtsoupcan]

Typical Macuga fashion to be extremely dramatic at all times. You gonna walk out of a bar because a Michael Jackson song comes on? Ok guy

[@badpope]

This guy is all worked up but the next time Brian Singer directs a comic book movie this dude will be the first in line to review it.

[@camilleonz558]

Still gonna listen to his music.

[@hunnerdayEDT]

With all the hate and threats coming from the hardcore MJ fans I'm not surprised more men have not come forward. I believe Wade Robeson. He was a top tier Emmy winning choreographer. His career was ruined when he came forward. The MJ estate is worth billions of dollars. This documentary is a huge threat to its income.

[@arodrigo24]

hunnerdayEDT I believe them too, I still think it’s a one sided documentary. The documentary doesn’t bring any new evidence and it doesn’t stop the fact that Michael was a child mentally. There is so much to this story that isn’t told. Robson is looking for fame and success that he hasn’t had. He’s looking for revenge. His story doesn’t add up. James I believe more than anyone. Again Michael was abused. So it goes deeper than just writing off Michael as an artist or person.

[@hunnerdayEDT]

Actually, Wade Robson was very famous. He was one of the few choreographers that non dancers knew by name. He worked with a lot of famous people in the late 90's through the 2000's. When he came forward with his allegations about MJ, he was dropped by many of his clients. I write this to say that it's not easy for someone who was sexually abused to speak out even when their abuser wasn't famous. Imagine how difficult it is for these guys to call out someone like MJ whose fame and fandom makes Beyonce's Beehive look miniscule by comparison. I can't say that the doc wasn't one sided. But based on MJ's pattern of behavior even BEFORE he was tried for a felony, I would NOT have let any child I loved and wanted to protect any where near him. All these people pulling the race card or attacking these men have to look past their fanatic love of MJ and acknowledge that the contact that he had with young boys was NOT normal. (A grown a$$ man saying ON CAMERA that he sleeps in a with boys is completely suspect.) Yes, MJ had a "childlike" persona that he protrayed in public. But he was a grown man who, I suspect had immoral and illegal contact with children. And those babies' parents were neglectful accomplices. This documentary is one sided in my opinion because a lot of people enabled that man to do what he did, and they were silenced either by threats, money, or fear of going to jail. I bet there is a treasure trove of NDAs somewhere just as was done for Weinstein, Cosby, and Singer. As long as the estate is valuable, the beneficiaries will fight to protect the image that makes them money.

[@jdg20042001]

Wrong. He only started to change his story all cus he didn't get a gig from the estate that he wanted. Wade needs to get a real job.

[@michaelforthriller]

I'm absolutely disappointed in you guys....I'm actually shocked that even Kristian just swallowed this doc as ''FACTUAL'' , i expected more from collider, There is ZERO evidence to support this ''documentary'' At least point out the facts and court cases, And roxy just blatantly saying that she ''believes in peoples word'' ??? So we now take anyone's word for fact because of the subject of assault? This is absolutely RIDICULOUS and socking to see coming from you guys.

[@RetrocadePodcast]

Sleeping in a bed next to a 7 year old boy every night for 3 months straight is a fact

[@rubenfrankish]

Equally believing it's not true is just as shocking. You don't know if it false as much as they might believe the doc is real. They're discussing it. Get over it man, they even say make up your own mind at the end. Just cause they made it to an answer you don't like doesn't make them wrong and you right!

[@christhompson6010]

@@rubenfrankish That's why in this country due process is so important. if you don't have that all you have is the court of public opinion.

[@ikexbankai]

Retro Rube no it’s because they are discussing it as FACT and they have no evidence. Without due process the society will breakdown because anyone can accuse anyone of anything. There’s not much evidence that goes against Wade and to not bring any of that up his not right. And they are talking about kids as if Michael don’t have a teenage son right now. Now if he would have said all the evidence against Wade and said when I weighed these two sides against each other I came up with this concussion that would have been find. What if I visit collider office and have a closed door meeting with the guy that’s heated in this video. Then after that I say he attacked me or touch me or whatever. According to the woman in this video that guy would need to lose his job because she’s a “believer of people.” As if people don’t lie. All I’m saying is evidence must be presented and both sides have to be told especially with something as serious as this

[@ikexbankai]

*so much evidence that goes against Wade. 1. He said MJ kept him from girls but ihe dated his niece from age 12 to 21 2. He said it wasn’t about money but asked for 1.6 Billion dollars and started a fund right after it aired on tv for people to give him money called the Wade Robson Fund. 3. They said in the doc that the rooms in the theater at Neverland had one way glass so that no one can see into it. But if you go back and watch Oprah’s interview with MJ from Neverland you can clearly see that the windows in the rooms in the theater are clear see through. 4. In the documentary he said he had dinner at neverland and seeing MJ’s kids is what made him “lie” under oath. In the doc they say yeah we was at the dinner you know everyone was there. While those people that are “everyone” have come out and said yes we was at that dinner and it took place AFTER he testified under oath in court as a 23 year old. 5. He said he didn’t realize it was abuse till after he testified. Even though he was an adult and the prosecutor asked him if he was touched and he said no. So he doesn’t know what touch is either. 6. He asked MJ would coach him over the phone. During the documentary they place recordings of phone conversations that MJ didn’t know was being recorded. He kept all those recordings but don’t have one of MJ coaching him. Why? Like there’s just too many different stories. He’s just isn’t a good witness I’m sorry. What the person making the film should have done was asked him about other people and go build the case around someone that doesn’t have all these credibility issues. Matter of fact the people that Wade says replaced him has come out saying nothing ever happened to them and they threatened to sue him if he mentions their names again in anyway

[@ruzaroos]

I think a lot of people who haven't watched the documentary are missing the point. They describe a lifestyle that I don't think anyone refutes. You can choose to not think he touched boys while in bed with them, but he basically lived a chunk of his life sleeping with young "companions". The lifestyle is the most damning thing. If you are ever in a situation where you can be left in a he said/she said situation with multiple children, there is a problem.

[@ruzaroos]

@@jihadsmith762 I don't pretend to know definitively what happened; but all I will say is if these men are lying, their entire family is lying too. The film goes into how this wrecked their families. One guy's brother doesn't let the mother in their home, or at least didn't for months. Again if they are lying, they should get Emmy's for their work. Even if he never touched them, his behavior was unequivocally pathological. I feel sorry for MJ as much as the kids. He lived a life where people let him do whatever he wanted and his own broken youth took him to a broken place. Not all cultures across time have even demonized what he did; so when he is allowed to exist outside of the cultural standards of his own time and place, I can't view him as monster. His music will always be great but he was a broken man.

[@faa1412]

No he did not spend a chunk of his life sleeping with young "companions" ... that's a lie in itself

[@lordvader4934]

However, as monstrous as it sounds, it is definitely not out of the realm of possibility for someone to learn about how a sexual predator behaves and in this day we all know of the "grooming process". The guys in the doc already said Jackson DID NOT touch them inappropriately at all, but then they grew up and are saying he did. For whatever reason, they've already lied and therefore anything they claim should be non void.

[@Nuggetsin4]

@@lordvader4934 if you had any understanding of the classic well known psychology of CSA victims then you’d realize how stupid your comment is.

[@Snyper1405]

@Lord Vader the fact of the matter is that these grown men have lied multiple times, and one of them even lied under oath. Michael was always consistent and straightforward, and he never lied under oath. I think he has the most credibility in this scenario. And a 4-hour documentary that's one-sided and biased is a real disgrace. They should get an award for such bad acting because it doesn't even sound believable, especially when the accusers mother was laughing when it's supposed to be a serious topic. It's like what's funny. I thought your child was sexually abused. "smh"

[@bgkid14]

Also if you feel this strongly about this why hasn’t anyone said anything Brian Singer and his exploits? Last time I check his film was nominated for best picture and none of his accusations were brought up once.

[@cparty247365]

they have brought it up multiple times. collider is how i learned about brain singers allegations.

[@Moviegeek90]

They have brought up Singer's allegations....

[@bgkid14]

kenjack1984 and at any point was it said “ Singer should go to jail. If one of his movies is playing I’m turning it off. I’m throwing all his X-Men movies away. Hollywood should get him out of here” the same way they just did about MJ. Or did they just “ Hey Bohemian Rhapsody is a pretty great film” ?

[@TheTXKING24]

Exactly and when james Gunn was getting bashed they were defending him these dudes are full of shit u can tell deep down Roxy aint with this shit she got sense

[@warlockofwordsreturnsrb4358]

I tended to believe the accusations back when South Park was making fun of them years ago, just because Jackson's behaviour seemed deeply questionable.

[@LAZISH]

[@Hamstrakt]

I understand that documentaries can be convincing to some people but you really should do more homework other than watching a self-professed one-sided documentary before labeling someone a pedophile. I get Macuga's disgust as I believe that he believes it but it would have been nice for anyone else to fact check ANYTHING that was said here. Accusing someone of pedophilia, especially when there's plenty of resources you can find online that says otherwise, is a bold accusation that should not be taken lightly. Do your homework. Do your homework. DO. YOUR. HOMEWORK.

[@bearspf85]

Exactly. They straight up raided Michael’s house when he was out of the country, and couldn’t find anything damaging on him. If they could have locked him up, they would have, because they were definitely trying.

[@_Schwartz]

@@bearspf85 They did find criminating evidence. Your lying

[@Hamstrakt]

@@_Schwartz What evidence are you referring to? If there's a smoking gun that I'm not aware of, I'd like to know.

[@suavevision4678]

How can you make guarantees on a situation you weren't there for? We have another Jussie Smollett situation with people jumping to conclusions just by hearing the story.

[@texasxgrrl]

Jussie was arrested and charged. That's not jumping to conclusions, that's trusting CPD and their evidence. Evidence that, combined with the weird circumstances, points in really only one direction.

[@suavevision4678]

@@texasxgrrl you're assuming what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people jumping to believe Jussie when he made the accusations of allegedly being attacked by a hate crime.

[@texasxgrrl]

Suave Marshall Well given that you weren't clear about it, all I could do was assume. Especially since there was no reason to doubt Jussie at that point and a bunch of celebs are still in denial and touting his innocence.

[@juju-vl7oj]

KZbin search Razorfist and or Charles Thompson on Michael Jackson. The court documents of these cases are available to the public , if you don't take their word, download the PDF files and read through it.

[@megan2700]

The interview with Gavin Azario when Gavin said he didn't want to sleep in Jackson's bed, and Jackson said if you love me you will, Gavin said, oh man, and slept in Jackson's bed, that interview started the 2005 molestation case against Jackson, Gavin Azario's parents did not take Jackson to court, the police department filed charges against Jackson.

[@annemclean2548]

And both said MJ slept on the floor and went into detail about blankets and a sleeping bag. That trial proved that family gyilty of accusing 3 other people of sexual abuse the mother was convicted after MJ,'s trial of fraud, perjury and coaching her kids to lie under oath.

[@kimbleist]

When one of the two victims said that he had never seen the support from people until now, it broke my heart. Not only their mothers failed them... the American people did throughout all these years.

[@JusticeDivineAllah]

Fuuuuuh i gotta watch it now

[@antoinefilms_]

" I am a believer of people" Huh???? And 2 guys supposedly don't know each other is telling the same story.....And they believe that.

[@johnniepetrizza9798]

its a silly thing to say

[@jays___]

exactly! when i heard them first talking about how the accounts were to similar i thought they were gonna point out how thats odd for people who just met ... and they actually knew each back in 2013 whenever they sued the first time they had the same lawyer to

[@lordvader4934]

Yeah, believe people who already said under oath that he didn't abuse them. I wonder why no one brought that up in this discussion.

[@rileylindall2147]

Lord Vader called being manipulated by the most famously castrated man in the world

[@lordvader4934]

@@rileylindall2147 Maybe, maybe not. We don't know that.

[@shanonsf6291]

its normal for people who are sexually abused to change there stories and their compelling

[@madluv6789]

Really? How would you know?

[@FactualGenius]

It is normal for broke people who sue for money to lie too

[@MovieFactsVideos]

I have no horse in this race, but to mindlessly say "I believe people" is a remarkably naive statement to make. The Jussie Smollett case is a good example. There are two sides to every story. You simply cannot judge a case based on one side. You need two sides for context.

[@tophers3756]

The fans who defend MJ's known behavior saying he simply had platonic feelings for children would never excuse that behavior if it had been a neighbor or coworker. They're wearing fame goggles.

[@Tenz220]

And your goggles fogged by media and a 4 hour movie.

[@markusbisma5015]

@@Tenz220 so would you let your kid sleep in the same bed with MJ unsupervised ?

[@Snyper1405]

That's what you trolls always use because that's the only argument you have LMAO

[@davetechme]

Michael was my idol growing up and I've always defended him even though I don't know him partly because no explicit evidence was ever found to support these claims. And yet, any sane person would say his behavior around children (which so many are excusing since it isn't material evidence) was completely inappropriate at best. "I love you. Sleep in my bed while your family is away" from a grown man to another family's child should NEVER be excused even if "he's like a child himself because he didn't have a childhood." He wasn't a child. He was one of the best singers and dancers in the world who made you believe it was okay to leave your child ALONE with him, a celebrity who was still a stranger, unsupervised. It's mind boggling if you really think about it. The vast majority of people defending him here haven't even watched it. Being such a huge fan, I thought I'd come out still defending him and exposing the 2 opportunists for what they are. Instead, although the adoring fan part of my heart wanted to believe the "no evidence was ever found and that's good enough to exonerate him," the reasoning part of my brain (especially now as a parent) can't really help but question wtf went on when he was alone with so many impressionable kids for so many years especially when these kids are telling you he molested them.

[@KingPhilip_ULP]

Corey Feldman said he recognized the story bit-by-bit and said everything sounded like his story up until the sex part... So who's really telling the truth? 🤷🏾‍♂️ NOBODY knows the truth outside of those guys and MJ.

[@ruban8135]

It's a pretty good Documentary, I don't know what to believe of what the people said in it, but I give the filmmakers props.

[@jdg20042001]

What's so "good" about a one-sided documentary? Especially from 2 men who are proven liars.

[@annemclean2548]

You think directors are supposed to edit film and cut puctures to make them fit a narritive that he wants make or including other people without asking them.

[@martinrenner2992]

Wade and James know each other and have the same lawyer. What a surprise that they tell the same story!

[@CaptnDeadpool]

I don't and can't know the truth, but what I do know is a grown-ass man inviting kids to his house and to his bedroom is SUPER suspect and should never be agreed to by the parents.

[@dannymccartney1]

It was never girls or fat kids at Jacko's house.

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

Avizo? That kid was no eye candy.

[@armanimartinez8105]

I love love love how people forget to say “allegedly” They all take it as fact and truth. What a joke

[@Voicewav]

Elvis got his future wife when she was 13.... crickets

[@brendasexton7344]

Shut up

[@1974lionsfan]

Ok, what is it called? Where can I find it?

[@rachaelvictorwordhouse218]

Leaving Neverland on constant rotation on any of the HBO'S

[@benfriedman2113]

I gotta get around to watching it. I will admit it is fairly weird the disconnect I feel like my generation has with MJ. I was 10-11 I believe when he died, and I just never felt like he was so beloved to people my age, as he was to slightly older generations then mine. Growing up I remember hearing MJ likes kids jokes all the time, and it almost seemed like common knowledge that Jackson liked young boys. I’m also not saying if he is guilty or not, but rather noticing the difference in how generations viewed Jackson. This could of course also just be growing up where I grew up, but just an observation. Really interesting listening to Macuga’s thoughts on it regardless

[@illwitness]

Damn if this is true and MJ did everything they say, he's a true monster.

[@italiangoodfellas8962]

I think it is

[@djackd]

i choose to believe this, the emotional weight displayed in the documentary has me convinced, sure the other side can never be argued but that would be from someone who talked the mother of a 7 year old into sleeping with her son, whether any sexual stuff happened or not, thats damned creepy

[@1130085]

Collider was one of my favorite shows to watch. This video just showed why I don’t watch this guys talk anymore. You guys just lost a long time collider fan. I’m just one guy but the likes and comments prove me right. Does collider even read the comments anymore ?

[@Survivor947]

At Last the Truth sees the Light ..

[@gottagetitgaming7759]

I am sure there is truth on both sides. But it is hard to watch this and not feel like something happened especially with two unrelated families basically telling the same type of occurrences. With Jackson dead and gone we will never know for sure what happened.

[@namreh72]

Where's Dorian..? I wish they had this conversation with him there...but I'm sure he would fold to keep his job there....smh.. not even surprised about Macuga.. he always had that vibe big time...

[@npcimknot958]

tbh, if its this easy to convince you i can easy say one of the people in this podcast harassed me at a party. he drugged me, and i still have the cup he drugged me with. he then took me to his room, etc etc. one word. smollett.

[@marloflip]

The "I have'nt seen it, but." syndrome. God, its everywhere.

[@mosesomondi6309]

where is harvey weinstain documentary

[@aahh6478]

Saw a one-sided document and now he's a expert🤔

[@aahh6478]

@Varmando Varuso hey kid, before you make a rebuttal you should read what i said. Im talking purely about the documentary (nothing else) which was only giving from the alleged victims viewpoint, if there is no counter arguments given "technically" that is one sided.

[@npcimknot958]

i can 100 see this not aging well

[@champagne6763]

2:53 There you go. Here is the answer, Michael Jackson allegedly "Ignores" Wade and his mother and leaves them with no car, no money. With all of these issues, Wade's mother discovers the possibility of accusing Michael of Child Molestation on Wade, there is your answer.

[@angelfiremimosa]

I feel sad for MJs kids. They wont want to believe this. Mj was definately inapproprtate with children

[@ActionFigureWorld]

Didn't these two guys try to sue the estate a few years ago...?

[@Jack655321]

If James Safechuck was lying he's a better actor than Daniel Day Lewis. Not only him but his family members as well. Hardcore MJ fans need to stop putting their heads in the sand.

[@singingchef23]

They arent the morons believing this half assed biased and foolhardy film are. Even the director admitted he did do any fact checking. I trust the FBI over this biased trash

[@MasterChris666]

i like Prince better :}

[@pjincho]

What roxy’s talking about was the interview w him and Gavin Arviso in the Bashir doc. What Arviso said was, “I insisted on sleeping in the bed, and Michael finally relented and said, ‘ok, you take the bed, I’ll take the couch... the most loving thing u can do is give your bed to a guest.’” Don’t we all do that? When someone comes over to visit, we opt for the couch, and give the bed to the guests? I get that it was unusual for a grown man to befriend young people as Michael did... but we have zero precedence for someone like Michael, who grew up since the age of 5 as the most famous person in the world... unable to go to a mall, or the movies without being trampled.

[@bretviola6871]

Peter Cho he was famous as a child but he wasn’t “Elvis” famous until in his twenties so don’t act like he couldn’t go outside as a kid.

[@righthandclyde8618]

How many men invite little boys to his home over and over and over again... Raise your hands blind people!

[@alainbrouillaud484]

For MJ fans this is a moment of COGNITIVE DISSONANCE!

[@danrc777]

KRISTIAN YOU AND YOUR CREW..........I CAN'T TAKE YOU GUYS SERIOUSLY NOW! UNBELIEVABLE! NO RESEARCH THE MORE I WATCH! WHAT'S GOING ON? ???????? BUT YOU ENDED WITH A GOOD POINT......... IT STARTS HOW PEOPLE RAISE THEIR KIDS TOO!

[@mediacenterman8583]

What's up with people commenting and then saying 'I have not watched it'? That's like saying the food is nasty/nice without even tasting it.

[@moonwalkerlive9899]

They never MET ..... really ..... you sure about that. The one thing that compelled that guy to believe the guilt ... WAS A PROVEN LIE even Joy Robeson has previously said they chased him. No mention of the promises untill the doc. Balance and fairness is very important.

[@isidrolopez3797]

Of course Macuga won a dance contest.

[@DamienW1983]

So theres absolutely no way they could have all gotten together to get their stories straight to make this "documentary" more believable? Come on.....

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

Exactly. What a dumb argument. This is a documentary. Not a court case.

[@rihannanavy4057]

People used lisa marie pressley for her father. Both her exes: nick cage and michael were fans of hers.

[@BeautifulPrincessOfWalesGB]

What i cannot understand is how can michael have done all these alleged abuse while doing his shows. being marrird twice. taking care of all his businedd and his 3 children. Michael must be superhuman and invisible to be able to do what these fake accusers are accusing him. These guys are comparable to dogs who bit the hand that fed them

[@radrobd123]

Are you that stupid? His two marriages were both shams and those "kids" aren't biologically his. Why was a grown 40+ year old man still having sleep overs with other people's kids AFTER he had kids of his own? Because he was a pedophile

[@gohanson27]

People for 1. THE WHOLE COLLIDER CREW knows Josh isn't that bright. Don't take what Josh said as facts it's just his uneducated opinion. Fools being a fool shouldn't be a surprise.

[@Hamstrakt]

I'm not surprised at his reaction. I agree with you that he's not exactly what you might call a "reader". I'm more disappointed that no one else chimed in to play devil's advocate or even fact check anything. To Roxy's credit, she checked twitter posts but those were largely dismissed and no one else challenged any of the accusations at all.

[@everythingsgoodhere3838]

Okay one. They do know each other. Two, Michael is gone. Three these guys lied under oath. Sooo you gonna just believe what these guys said because its in the form of a documentary??...🤔

[@eoinoconnor5783]

“I believe people” That can be very dangerous logic. What about people who lie? Innocent celebrities lives and reputations can be ruined over false allegations.

[@rperus]

Why are you taking for granted that these guys didn´t lie?

[@cleen1986]

“Heal the world, make it a better place” by not silencing victims of a child predator.

[@BoyNamedSue4]

This case was the Cosby thing before Cosby but he got away with it. An absolute legend in their industry but there’s too much proof they did terrible things. People forget Jackson was blacklisted prior to his death. We just kinda forgot/ignored it after he died.

[@territmoderitmo9190]

Blacklisted by whom?

[@RetrocadePodcast]

People mentioning the raid at Neverland as if they were expecting to find videos of the kids he was abusing...what’d anyone expect to find at Neverland?

[@RetrocadePodcast]

Why did MJ payout $23,000,000 to the family of Jordan Chandler?

[@faa1412]

His insurance company paid out for him despite him and his legal team protest. Scott Ross, a private investigator in the 2005 trail even stated that.

[@HotMessMemories1]

A Matt liar

[@RetrocadePodcast]

A Matt it was uncovered by Court TV in 2005 that not only did Michael _himself_ pay out the $23,000,000 to Jordan Chandler (and $1.5m to each of his parents) but there were also other secret payouts to the families of other children totaling nearly $40,000,000.

[@jadethompson6027]

When you say I am not watching this on purpose. Because you don't want to have your mind changed about Jackson.

[@jays___]

there are people who have watched it and see thru the bullshit

[@RoboBoomStick]

Who's bad?

[@RoseRNCLNC]

Watch older videos of wade and see how his voice changes. He is ACTING folks. Everyone was sworn to secrecy it's normal with celebrities it's not limited to MJ.

[@vicboss1320]

thank God I watch the video that made sense about this documentary and about the life of Michael Jackson you do not do the things he did and any facet mentally unstable or not

[@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs]

Ok here’s the problem. Jermaine said the parents were there and they were sleep overs and they guys said previously it didn’t happen so if they were so hurt why did they say that. This not being a fan boy but looking st facts also Michael likes the ladies

[@npe9483]

I lost brain cells reading your comment...

[@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs]

NPE 94 ah so instead of persuading me i am wrong like someone who is right you insult me.

[@cparty247365]

@@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs watch the documentary. you are wrong that is why he insulted you. michael jackson kept them under his influence and they explain it in the documentary.

[@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs]

kenjack1984 thing is the people had said he hadn’t done it under oath now no one Least of all me is condoning child abuse but also I’m not for falsely accusing people as that stops real abuse being believed and stopped

[@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs]

kenjack1984 also he was attracted to adult women I think it was a us talk show host said he asked her out

[@EricK-ir8np]

Yeah he GUILTY!!

[@notyouraveragebear9326]

Swear to God you all better come right back on here and discuss the OTHER SIDE of the documentary when the next one comes out. Be fair. When the FAMILIES side comes out you better be just as fucking passionate. This is so one sided and wrong.

[@thepretender3814]

What Does Alex Jones Think???

[@darylthompson176]

How about his house was raided and everything they went thru there was no or pornagraphic material found.

[@andrewwatson8591]

They did find proof, they found a video called Michael Jacksons Neverland favorites with tons of young kid pornography on it but they were unable to use it in the trial because of some loophole. Also you guys act like these zillionaires wouldn’t be tipped off they were coming and clear their place out rich people get away with everything it’s nothing new. OJ had the most cut and dry murder case of the millennium and he got off

[@darylthompson176]

@@andrewwatson8591 no they did not that is completely untrue look it up nothing was found there is no evidence anywhere, just googal the raid on his house, a video camra was found and there nothing related to child porn at all. Get the facts not rumors

[@darylthompson176]

@@andrewwatson8591 his home was turn upside down looking for evidence there were no loop holes, just prof that he didn't do what they clame and the only truth is that Nobody knew what but MJ and the boys that allegedly were assaulted that MJ already went to court for and now that he's dead they come out with this bull shit I'm not buying it, and not just because I'm a fan but because I remember the trial and you can only go off of what's facts and the facts are MJ had his faults and should not have befriended kids, but has not guilty of and child abuse.

[@MTart96]

Andrew Watson So do you just make shot up for fun?

[@darylthompson176]

@@MTart96 look the shit up I speak facts nothing false.

[@BaseDaKIDTheHARDCORECasual]

Josh, what evidence did either person present that makes you believe them?

[@gorand4291]

The question is not whether he did it or not. We all know he did it. Why did he let him do it? That's the answer we need as a society.

[@Cptking235]

Also just about everything spoken about here is false. Might want to do research first before going off of a known biased “documentary”

[@darko_m]

Money money money

[@kriswillman2779]

Everyone in the comments needs to look up "Halo Effect"

[@lovechriis8296]

When Michael was speaking about sleeping in the bed in the Martin Bishir documentary which the female referred to, he said he told the Arvizo boy "if you love me you will sleep in the bed" because they were arguing about who should sleep in the bed - the boy or Michael. In the end the boy slept in the bed and Michael slept on the floor. Watch the documentary again. These are allegations. Do you know the difference between allegations and facts? Research the court documents, testimonials and depositions of these accusers and their families in the 1993 allegations, 2005 trial, and their 2012-2017 lawsuit. You will see the blatant lies, inconsistencies, and misrepresentations that envelops their stories. See why the judge threw out their billion dollar lawsuit. Michael was found not guilty of sexual abuse because no evidence was found to convict him, so if we are to believe these admitted liars they have to bring evidence. The most convincing lies are those laced with the truth. Facts don't lie, people do, especially for a vendetta and a billion dollar lawsuit. Bring the evidence.

[@cygumfef6576]

the wade guy in oprah says. from 11 to 22.. then in gale king.. he says from 7 to 14.. I mean.. NOT even clooooose!!... stop pumping yourself up?..

[@andre81002]

That’s why I like John Show Better, he stay alway form theses stories

[@benoakman3069]

The only ones who are still defending MJ are the ones who haven't watched the full doc yet, which is understandable. I wanted it to be false so bad too. But it is no joke. Just watch it, pause your fandom, really pay attention and see if you still feel the same way afterwards. Cause in the meantime by defending him you're embarassing the hell out of yourselves, you just don't know it yet.

[@faa1412]

The documentary is a joke. Then please explain to me why does Wade have 4 different versions of his story in his complaints against MJ's Estate, why did he lie about things in his complaints?? Why was every appeal thrown out? They've been trying to get hundreds of millions from MJ's Estate from since 2013 and keep getting their cases thrown out.

[@armanimartinez8105]

Speak up use your voice and be civil on this. It’s a democracy, hear both sides

[@senorashish]

Hearing Josh talk is like hearing 9 year-old me talking profusely to my other friends about how I gained some kind of knowledge from watching an episode of "Unsolved Mysteries." It's all hype masquerading as knowledge.

[@TatiSaysSo]

Where is Harvey now? Jail lol

[@6373billy]

I can’t believe that people are outraged about this after 10 yrs when he died. It sounds like all the same stuff prior to 2009. Not defending Jacko