This is the definition of, "Did I play the game, or did the game play me?"
@Amarganeitor6 жыл бұрын
LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE
@SuperNormalMan6 жыл бұрын
Therefore, the only winning move is simply not to play.
@wtfcheesenips20985 жыл бұрын
SuperNormalMan TURN OFF THE GAME RIGHT NOW
@Valleyraven0075 жыл бұрын
Spec ops the line too
@gc3k5 жыл бұрын
djkhaled.gif
@travismcnasty518 ай бұрын
2001: what is all of this crap supposed to mean? 2024: oh.
@YoungLeosword7 ай бұрын
Dawkins could’ve told y’all all this. >:D
@MarshalV6tynice7 ай бұрын
Haunting, innit?
@Shrekdagangster70927 ай бұрын
yeah, very relevant still this day
@LolMaNiAc937 ай бұрын
Even more relevant, as Consummer AI market grows in a alarming rate.
@evanroldan95666 ай бұрын
Boomers falling for AI Jesus pics? AI Dating Apps
@mattypaul879 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that while this long convo is going on, Solidus is just standing there like "uh....are we going to fight, or...?"
@DarkOrderSolDjango9 жыл бұрын
Matty Paul "Raiden ? Raiden ?! .... What can I do ? My hands are busy and I have these two mechanical tentacule..... Ooooooh :D"
@PowerRob9 жыл бұрын
Right? haha
@prot07ype879 жыл бұрын
+DarkOrderSolDjango /)
@DarkOrderSolDjango9 жыл бұрын
Prot07ype (\
@Spaztron649 жыл бұрын
+DarkOrderSolDjango ehehehehe
@TheJackster-tl8oi Жыл бұрын
“No one is invalidated, but nobody is right.” Holy shit this really is the world we live in isn’t it
@KLAMY15111 ай бұрын
Yes but no
@aubreyjarvis475910 ай бұрын
@@KLAMY151 exactly
@trevorallen32129 ай бұрын
@@KLAMY151but what makes it right for someone to interpret the truth for others? It's not that simple. This is dilemma in ethics and philosophy atleast.
@ALJ90008 ай бұрын
@@trevorallen3212 Truth can be subjective, fact is objective
@trevorallen32128 ай бұрын
@@ALJ9000 that be like saying facts are facts. That's not necessarily true because facts are constantly being refined or updated by newest studies all the time. You can't generalize something that isn't necessarily guaranteed to be fixed indefinitely. Besides in laws of phyics for all we know there maybe exceptional rules at play hidden in plain sight dispite, stating the rules otherwise. Those "no go theorems" they have don't take into account of special circumstances of exceptional facts. In a Ideal world tending towards non Relativistic common sense analysis is to be advised to address all these issues. But, in practice Relativistic common sense is derived from the following: Relative context, relative experience, relative interpretations, relative explanations, relative examples, relative arguments, relative analysis, and relative relationships. *In the end of the day it's how you use your critical thinking to derived any context or interpret of what is true and what is flase.*
@TheAwesomeDarkNinja6 жыл бұрын
"You're special. Believe in yourself and you will succeed." "But it's obvious from the start that only a few can succeed..." Damn.
@Jsmoove8k6 жыл бұрын
TheAwesomeDarkNinja "be nice to others" "but beat the competition out" Couldn't be more impossible but forced among us
@buntado66 жыл бұрын
The sucess of someone implies the failure of another.
@Valoe76 жыл бұрын
Your happiness is built on the misforutne of others.
@SavagePatch1156 жыл бұрын
Relatable
@lookattheflowers9696 жыл бұрын
Capitalism
@LiquidSmashBros9 жыл бұрын
This is so frighteningly accurate today. And this is a script that was written in 1999.
@austinrodriguez11407 жыл бұрын
True Pride well dont you sound conceited.
@michaelbiland55757 жыл бұрын
This game is a true masterpiece. Death Stranding, or any of Kojima's future projects will probably never reach this level of greatness.
@nameless-user7 жыл бұрын
Michael Biland Death Stranding literally can't. The only way MGS2 could've been written like it is is through it being a sequel to MGS1.
@Elombuserver6 жыл бұрын
Kojima and KONAMI had an excellent view of how 2000s would affect the world
@awakepureenergy18155 жыл бұрын
1999 = 666
@vibezzz72114 жыл бұрын
A game in 2001 offered a 12 minute speech accurately describing the future
@armyshope4 жыл бұрын
Rulers (archons)
@bigmouthstrikesagain40564 жыл бұрын
Auth centrism
@Hat-Trick3 жыл бұрын
*present It’s just that nothing has changed since then.
@ademirsegura63073 жыл бұрын
And in 2021 its happening
@seekndestroy89703 жыл бұрын
Alex Jones and many others have been speaking on this and warning of it for decades. Others throughout history as well. Hate them or love them, we are in that dystopian timeline.
@mrbrochacho993 жыл бұрын
"Everyone withdraws into their own gated community, afraid of a larger forum. They stay inside their little 'ponds', leaking whatever 'truth' suits them into the growing cesspool of society at large." Wow, just wow. This game came out in 2001? That's some scary shit.
@EmptyMan0002 жыл бұрын
It's just observation. People have been doing that for a LONG time. The video just laid it out in plain words and with the Digital Age it has become even more blatant. Anyone who turns on the news can see that much nowadays and no one knows what to really believe it so they pick a side and cling to dear life.
@skinnysuge91882 жыл бұрын
Script was drawn in 1999
@skinnysuge91882 жыл бұрын
Script was drawn in 1999
@funnymaninc.74832 жыл бұрын
reddit
@richterdelgan1232 жыл бұрын
Twitter. The conservatives and progresists. The right and left. .. Oh my... Even me.
@katieburak939 жыл бұрын
I swear to God when I first played this game in high school, I think, I legit thought my game was glitching out. Like creepypasta levels of glitches.
@nadhifbhagawantahadiprayit9759 жыл бұрын
Katie Burak but its not
@aorusaki7 жыл бұрын
kek
@johnathandoughboy6 жыл бұрын
Same. High school. I was paralyzed in fear the whole time. Coming back as an adult, it’s even worse....
@SavagePatch1156 жыл бұрын
Watching this codec call terrifies me to this day.
@nessunovideo69716 жыл бұрын
It means it worked!
@robertwhite96405 жыл бұрын
“No one is invalidated, but nobody is right.” My mouth hit the floor.
@Fragmentsinfractals4884 жыл бұрын
"My" truth. "Your" truth. The memes speaks through us.
@Daily_Bassist4 жыл бұрын
Nice pfp
@keyboardwarrior62963 жыл бұрын
This is done on purpose. Information is not distinct from methods. It's real people pulling levers in the real world, and they worship the devil. What's going on in this particular video incorporates most of the rhetorical strategem of the voice of god weapon used on an individual, where the AI's represent the hallucination source, and Raiden is the victim of the weapon. How they describe news and information has been the status quo since long before the digital age. We wouldn't be dealing with this now if that weren't the case. They're ability to make useful idiots has become a well-refined science that can target specific individuals with information in their connected digital environment as well as putting voices in their head, and bypassing their hearing organs. They also have a way of using already present soundscapes that are perceived by the ears as a modulation source for the hallucination they are trying to create. They have to catch up every time it changes, but they don't have to use that method, they just do so to keep the victim guessing as to where it's really coming from.
@shawnblackbird78613 жыл бұрын
@@keyboardwarrior6296 But what if they just put that concept in your head to misdirect us and consequently hide the bigger truth!?
@mariocop71843 жыл бұрын
@@keyboardwarrior6296 I’m sorry to say this, but our echo chambers, where nobody is invalidated but nobody is right, aren’t the result of “Devil worshipers” or some “world order.” It’s us. It’s just human nature. A supernatural reason for all this is a desirable answer to have, but I think that’s our brains trying to cope with reality by using Escapism and come up with conspiracy theories to make it all make sense. But it can’t make sense. It isn’t the result of an ambiguous “they” pulling the lever. It’s us. School shooters aren’t just result of people manipulating the shooter to do their bidding (after all, who would benefit from dead children? Don’t say it’s to create a biased narrative; the biased narrative comes _from_ the result of the shooting and the media’s interpretations of events). School shootings happen because there is a troubled teenager (with access to firearms) out there struggling with life in some way, whether that be problems at home, at school, online, or even all at once. And to solve their suffering, they must lash out to the world. Or perhaps, they think nothing is wrong with themselves, but with the world at large. But either way, the mental suffering must stop. So again, while conspiracy theories are cool, and might sound like they make a lot of sense, I think they’re for the most part our troubled brains using escapism to cope with the world at large. It really is just us.
@Hussman4933 жыл бұрын
Given the current state of the world, this aged like the finest of wines.
@GMAV3RICK3 жыл бұрын
It didn’t age like anything, Kojima was trying to warn us of the world that was coming because in Japan their technological advances pushes them 10+ years ahead of everyone else. Therefore he only showed us what he was already experiencing.
@Yokai_Yuri3 жыл бұрын
@@GMAV3RICK Yes and no. Unlike Japan, America, mostly the U.S, is the responsible for so many things explained in this video. As Vladimir Putin put it: America presidents are weak, the ones that try to control everything are the men in black suits.
@fvrorpoeticvs3 жыл бұрын
No kidding... Kojima is a time-traveling illuminati agent comfirmed
@dfoglobal17213 жыл бұрын
This warned me of social networking decades before social networking… which is exactly why none of my Personal Identifying Information is on the net. The government tracks and stores everything we do… it’s already happening.
@Rye_3 жыл бұрын
@BritonslGaming Vladimir Putin is weak. He has built his position on lies and holding on to cards that are rooted in nothing but brute strength from a fallen soviet empire. Once he dies, his Russia dies with him.
@lemmykoopa13792 жыл бұрын
“Our beloved monsters, enjoy yourselves.” I love that line.
@slickcalf9852 жыл бұрын
It would've been way cooler if that was the final line spoken before the fight starts
@LolMaNiAc932 жыл бұрын
@@slickcalf985 it's good like it is, it's set in stone.
@DreamGod062 жыл бұрын
That line was so frightening. You can understand the Patriot AIs are celebrating in full glee and in such an arrogant and yet confident way that they even told Raiden the entire plan and regardless, has positioned him to participate in the plan or else risk the tragic consequences if he refuses to participate. And the insulting commentary of calling them both monsters in a way to say that these two are their creations and they'll have the pleasure to watch them tear each other apart like feral animals. Just wow!
@ALJ9000 Жыл бұрын
@@DreamGod06 No different than a back ally cockfight
@Ramzi1944 Жыл бұрын
@@DreamGod06 ikr
@louie540x6 жыл бұрын
"This is extremely dangerous to our democracy."
@themasterquester46226 жыл бұрын
HereInMyCar And here we are, having Mark Zuckerberg himself testifying to the US Senate. What a time to be an MGS fan.
@phantomrider2.066 жыл бұрын
And it looks like Hideo Kojima's creation has given us the vision of a hell that's been continuing. Here I thought the conspiracies couldn't get even deeper, but now the reality of it images all.
@toddsmith80826 жыл бұрын
Everything what MGS 2 was saying yesterday is what happening today (Facts)!🤔
@ademirsegura63076 жыл бұрын
Sinclair
@sinclair95075 жыл бұрын
@@ademirsegura6307 what?
@tonyredgrave87064 жыл бұрын
“Rights of criminals are given more respect than the privacy of their victims”. It described my country, Mexico, perfectly.
@ademirsegura63074 жыл бұрын
The United States invented it
@zpirryz3 жыл бұрын
All of these fucking socialists. Ecuador is the same shit. Thiefs and murderers get away after a week because no one will prosecute them. Jail is basically for the broke over here
@ambskater973 жыл бұрын
@@zpirryz Socialists are actually the ones against that, but okay.
@beastman835323 жыл бұрын
*Laughs in Finnish*
@LutraLovegood3 жыл бұрын
@@zpirryz I don't know a single socialist or communist who would be in favor of any of that, quite the contrary. It goes against the principles of communism.
@wukanimation4 жыл бұрын
“If you die, my child dies” sent a chill up my spine. The computer wanted you to kill another human, was able to predict your refusal, and create a physical circumstance that forced you to do battle. That’s terrifying.
@armyshope4 жыл бұрын
AI
@balanceherosmt71703 жыл бұрын
That is just fucking terrifying to admit. And this happens in real life so damn often
@Chamadzero3 жыл бұрын
You know they where lying to you the whole time, they specifically told you that they use you and control you, and when you try to refuse, they just drop that sentence. Raiden at that point know they are probably just making that excuse, but can't risk to confirm it. As they say: They create the context.
@ozzylepunknown5512 жыл бұрын
Humans are just biological AI, i need to tell you this, there is no free will.
@GodOfGames5232 жыл бұрын
@@Chamadzero Which is exactly what the AI predicted would happen, even if it was a lie or not, it was specifically developed so that Raiden would have no choice, even if it was a lie, the AI knows Raiden enough to know he would never dare to try and confirm it
@ShapurTheLegend10 жыл бұрын
And people still have the audacity to say that MGS 2 is the worst MGS game
@irishock9 жыл бұрын
ShyanTheLegend it's because dumbasses that can't think on another level complain about it being hard to understand. It's really not when you have an actual functional brain.
@mattlm649 жыл бұрын
ShyanTheLegend The worst MGS game is still epically brilliant, as they all are.
@irishock9 жыл бұрын
4 didn't have its own voice though.. that game felt like the new super mario bros series to me, just a tribute to its past.
@CAM86899 жыл бұрын
+Comrade McNasty yeah I hate to say it I was one of those that didn't appreciate this game at the time I liked it but I didn't appreciate it truly till many years later perhaps that how is with great things it sometimes takes time to appreciate the true genius of it.
@MasterLPG9 жыл бұрын
+ShyanTheLegend Honestly, I personally think that honour goes to Metal Gear Solid - Portable Ops, although some may think Peace Walker earns that title instead but I digress.
@svsps4 жыл бұрын
Watching this in 2020 is legitimately disturbing.
@RobzdaBlade4 жыл бұрын
I just watched this... I played MGS cept for 2... I know what you mean. But it makes sense doesn't it?
@Gamerman-ln6kq4 жыл бұрын
Well were fucked
@mannhouse80144 жыл бұрын
Kojima just spit out meaningless babble and you morons act like it's the deepest thing on earth.
@MrMiguel2214 жыл бұрын
How do I know any of you are even real?
@gabrielpraslin95764 жыл бұрын
@@MrMiguel221 They are not, they are just a GW simulation disguised as truth to keep you under control.
@CrimePaint3 жыл бұрын
"You lack the qualifications to exercise free will." My favorite quote. A truth that becomes more apparent as time passes.
@lordshenfan66252 жыл бұрын
Yeah so many people don't look at both sides of opinions and then come to their own decisions afterwards. Or certain people just going along with what some else says without context and so forth.
@bigboi21282 жыл бұрын
@@lordshenfan6625 that’s the problem, we act before we think, i won’t say any sort of situation exactly but many of these controversial actions that occurred in our society has been caused by this mentality alone, only when the rubble and dust is over us is when we begin to think
@lordshenfan66252 жыл бұрын
@@bigboi2128 that's right and that's why we need to think and look into things first beforehand. If we think too into things and jump to conclusions to fast that's what cause problems. Basically don't let our emotional bias get to us to quicky
@JollyGiant192 жыл бұрын
@@lordshenfan6625 I’d even go further and say the idea of “both sides” is flawed. Nothing is ever as simple as X vs Y. Perspectives are like the time in a day, constantly changing.
@derekdebois82972 жыл бұрын
Fuckingggggg chills me!!
@snakeplissken8603 Жыл бұрын
Ironic and horrifying that with how advanced AI has become, someone made an updated version of this conversation talking about AI censorship, and this time Campbell's voice came from an actual AI
@damon22441 Жыл бұрын
The prophecy has been realized. We are in too deep now. The only choice is to fight violently against it and go down swinging, or give up everything to live slavish lives.
@juaned2938 Жыл бұрын
What are you talking about?
@alucard197 Жыл бұрын
@@juaned2938 Looks like you missed something. Try " raiden warned about AI censorship" on YT. First video (2023 edition)
@loffy9592 Жыл бұрын
@@juaned2938 This video here kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5iqfamdZdNgq7s
@somethingsomewhat8860 Жыл бұрын
@@juaned2938 look up "Raiden warned about AI censorship"
@logopolizer76026 жыл бұрын
"Genes don't contain any record of human history." Suck it, Ubisoft!
@joeehrke23765 жыл бұрын
which is actually inaccurate
@InfernosReaper5 жыл бұрын
@@joeehrke2376 Other than in the adaptations to the environment and incorporating some instinctual behaviors to ensure developmental survival, including a predisposition to processing some sounds over others for language, how so?
@joeehrke23765 жыл бұрын
@@InfernosReaper hereditary genes, for example can be a history of genetic material, that's just one example, another is epigenetics, and how genes will alter or activate after things like famine or war passing a genetic marker to or change 2 generations later
@InfernosReaper5 жыл бұрын
@@joeehrke2376 So, environmental adaptation stuff?
@joeehrke23765 жыл бұрын
@@InfernosReaper yes but specific thing's ,things relating to history that pop up and can give insight to our history. I mean I know it's not like written history per say but in a way history shows up.
@whybecuzporque46555 жыл бұрын
“The digital society furthers human flaws and selectively rewards development of convenient half-truths.” Wow. Just wow...
@armyshope4 жыл бұрын
Half truths.
@kylekemmler25858 жыл бұрын
People in 2000-2001: Could these things actually happen? People including me in 2016: Yes it's happening.
@MrBorderlands1238 жыл бұрын
+whitejesusbaby Uhh George Orwell predicted this in 1949 dipshits.
@Gogglesofkrome8 жыл бұрын
@Matthew That's engineered deception, where as the internet, and the world it is today is purely a collection of people's agendas leaking from their private barrels of toxic opinionated waste, and into the cesspool of society at a whole. Kojima was exactly on the dot when he wrote this script, more than a decade ago
@Azraelseraphim8 жыл бұрын
I don't care. The Patriots sound better.
@Gogglesofkrome8 жыл бұрын
Azraelseraphim frankly, I'd rather have a group of benevolent AI's, as it would seem more likely than not that they wouldn't try to fuck everyone over in an attempt to achieve more power, unlike any other person in their place would. it would be interesting to have some sort of AI watching from behind the shadows, trying to keep the US as best as it could be However it's also likely that they're prone to mistakes, as 'perfection' is subjective; there will always be some function that someone wouldn't agree with. In that instance, I suppose AI's would not work as leaders, in the long run at any rate
@TheSkully3438 жыл бұрын
Well I for one welcome our robotic overlords. ALL GLORY TO THE PATRIOTS!
@dylanh.3793 Жыл бұрын
“You have to beLIEve me” Kojima is actually the goat for that.
@user-pi1lb4tf2f Жыл бұрын
kojIMA hiDEO (Im A D(i)o) Kojima Kaminandes Kojima is (G)od (G)od as Hideo Kojima Nowhere to Hide(o).
@woofer328410 ай бұрын
This is like those S(he) be(lie)ved
@methuselahhoneysuckass10 ай бұрын
@@woofer3284 sbeved
@MrOnay-px1jx3 ай бұрын
(he didn't write the codex conversations)
@BestLoserVS3 ай бұрын
That's entirely the translator. Kojima had nothing to do with the line written that way.
@iamtrashman49987 жыл бұрын
One thing I love about this conversation is how many ways people interpret it. Everyone will hear something in it that reinforces their beliefs for better or for worse. Just like in the line "they stay inside their little ponds leaking whatever truth suits them into the growing cesspool of society" Everyone will pick out a specific part of this scene and point out how it reflects something negative about whatever political movement or ideology they oppose. I'm sure if we revisit this scene in 5 years, we will find it eerily similar to whatever situation we find ourselves in.
@sheldonfredericks80345 жыл бұрын
Yep. Just like he said. "No one is invalidated, but no one is right."
@nathan-christopheredouard78764 жыл бұрын
@@sheldonfredericks8034 Cause they dont seek truth above all else
@dright9284 жыл бұрын
@@nathan-christopheredouard7876 The problem is that all I can find are the meta comments. Where are all the comments from all the ideologues?
@CODYLOUIS4 жыл бұрын
lol this is so true. n its wat I believe they wanted to happen jus 2 show all of us exactly how accurate and timeless the message is...... and I find it absolutely hilarious that most people in this comment section are pretty much "Picking a side" and expressing why their interpretation of this message is the "truth" when they are literally the people that are being mentioned in this very conversation...... this is absolutely Brilliant.....
@MLBlue303 жыл бұрын
@@nathan-christopheredouard7876 Who gets to decide whats the truth? You? Me? In the end we'll all determine it by a vast king of the hill with our hands around each others throats and whosever right is the one who is still standing when everyone else is dead. Humanity is perverse and savage enough to do it. Its inevitable.
@tonbonthemon4 жыл бұрын
"Your persona, experiences, triumphs, and defeats are nothing but byproducts. The real objective was ensuring that we could generate and manipulate them. It's taken a lot of time and money, but it was well worth it considering the results." What a way to put the player on the spot.
@krustyklownkollege73613 жыл бұрын
"The real objective was ensuring that we could generate and manipulate them" part is most relevant to social media and both left/right wing politics. It's everywhere.
@l1ghtd3m0n32 жыл бұрын
Both a commentary on game design…and real world politik. No wonder gamers want to rise up.
@marcusmeins18392 жыл бұрын
This world is all about manipulation
@beastruleАй бұрын
Would you kindly
@notthisyourlightАй бұрын
@@krustyklownkollege7361thats because ppl think in left and right since ww2 Its all americas doing they Controll the world since then
@crazycrab94674 жыл бұрын
Ironic. When this game came out, it was disliked more than the others and it has now become the most relevant. This scene aged frightenly well.
@GlitchanBlack2 жыл бұрын
I see that SEGA chose the right man to voice Silver the Hedgehog in recent years.
@romanpackham84712 жыл бұрын
it's a perfect example of what this very scene is about, it shoved a mirror in their faces and they hated the mirror instead looking at themselves and acknoledging themselves
@knightshousegames2 жыл бұрын
This game, and this scene in particular is proof of my axiom that Games don't age well or poorly. They were either always good or always bad, You are the one who changed, not the game. In this case, the entire world itself changed, and it brought the true message of this game into focus.
@TMeek942 жыл бұрын
That was just cause of the switch where you don't play as snake I can't believe I was 7 years old and absolutely obsessed with it, beat it multiple times in a week lol
@user-pi1lb4tf2f2 жыл бұрын
Not all true. MGS2 has some "hate" within the fanbase because of the switch and bait but never truly disliked. The gameplay itself evolved what was already excellent. The physics engine and the environmental effect was well thought and the graphics is just incredible. The music is even moreso. And with the Encounter/Mgs theme being patented for the game, everything is just incredible. Not to mention this very mind boggling scene. Which was even cut. Because pre-production, the MG Arsenal was crushing through Newyork all the way which would be reminiscent of the 9/11 few days before this game's release. This game is a masterpiece but also verily terrifying.
@spaghettimon38512 жыл бұрын
"Billions spent on new weapons in order to humanely murder other humans." "Rights of criminals are given more respect than the privacy of their victims" "Although there are people suffering in poverty, huge donations are made to protect endangered species." Those parts will always stay with me since I first play in game in 2001...
@intecrisis2 жыл бұрын
I would say it would have made more sense that animals are still being slaughtered at huge rates and it would be easier to just spend a little bit of money protecting them before they are endangered instead of waiting until it's much more expensive and difficult
@LordVader10942 жыл бұрын
@@intecrisis They need smart dialogue, not a fuckin essay lol. Plus you missed the point because of your ideaology
@marcusmeins18392 жыл бұрын
And it will get worse
@Outstralian2 жыл бұрын
"Billions spent on new weapons in order to humanely murder other humans" but don't the Patriots control the military and economy? They could just not spend all that money...
@lanceelopezz2232 жыл бұрын
@@intecrisis L to u
@Griffolion011 ай бұрын
"Nobody is invalidated, but nobody is right." Absolutely speechless.
@emmastokes644 жыл бұрын
"What we propose to do is not control content, but to create context." - Jack Dorsey
@harrydubois66193 жыл бұрын
“Create context?!”
@Zetagipp3 жыл бұрын
For those who don't know, Jack is the owner of twitter
@Azubjourni3 жыл бұрын
this one hit especially hard
@LutraLovegood3 жыл бұрын
Manufacturing Consent, Noam Chomsky
@ZitzBracket3 жыл бұрын
I think about this line every time one of those Facebook videos pops up, displaying some real-world occurrence but feeling the need to intercut with freeze frames of text overlays of basic descriptions and rhetorical questions.
@ryrin60916 жыл бұрын
Even better is that most people will hear the speech about people retreating into "their own little ponds" and act as if it only applies to "the other side". As if their own side is somehow any less guilty of it. It's a human problem. Not isolated to any particular side. Having our views challenged is uncomfortable. And even when told this, people assume they're not guilty of it.
@AFanOfCinema5 жыл бұрын
Ryrin Case in point: Anti-vaxxers.
@johnwirk5 жыл бұрын
@@AFanOfCinema Another case in point: Vaxxers
@gokublack83425 жыл бұрын
NINGENS!!
@cowmoo55965 жыл бұрын
@@johnwirk So only take 1/2 of your vaccines right?
@cowmoo55965 жыл бұрын
@@johnwirk KEK
@MattFNC11 ай бұрын
The fact that the AI underestimated Ocelot is hilarious, it also proved that the AI couldn't truly understand human thought and reasoning.
@richterdelgan12310 ай бұрын
In deus ex an IA admit that it cannot comprehend the humans, it know that it lacks all the chemical factor of our brains have, our brains are electro-chemical, trying to digitze it just result in the half. The IA want to merge with JC
@Dunkiep88 ай бұрын
It can only understand absolute human logic
@satoshisaito8426 ай бұрын
How did ai underestimate him? As far as I know, wasn't ocelot working for the ai patriot ?
@solidusny076 ай бұрын
@@satoshisaito842in mgs4, it was stated how the patriots were never able to control anyone at will.. so ocelot doing everything he did from mgs1-mgs4 was to challenge the patriots (yes he was working for them but was truly trying to eliminate them from mgs1 and onward)…that’s what was meant that ocelot was underestimated..
@satoshisaito8426 ай бұрын
@@solidusny07 is it explained in the game that Ocelot was in fact trying to over throw the Patriots?
@chiffmonkey9 жыл бұрын
"From tablets to books" And back to tablets XD
@Spaztron649 жыл бұрын
+chiffmonkey Soon it will be "From touchscreen tablets to touchscreen books".
Not the kind of modern tablets you think about. It's STONE TABLETs, not modern ones.
@kzang3867 жыл бұрын
still tablets
@devenirdelostiempos7 жыл бұрын
Fuck, I came to the commentary section to write that and now I am not original
@BenHyuga10 жыл бұрын
Why didn't we listen?
@BullGooseAnon10 жыл бұрын
We could of stopped it all...
@bruknows469710 жыл бұрын
BullGooseAnon It's too late...
@Tarik36010 жыл бұрын
It's over...
@DougsDiggers10 жыл бұрын
***** IT HASN'T EVEN BEGUN
@DougsDiggers10 жыл бұрын
J Fuel ILLUMINATI for real i know the truth at least i think i do.
@GhostPlanetFilms6 жыл бұрын
Sons of Liberty was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY ahead of its time.
@armyshope4 жыл бұрын
Amazing
@LutraLovegood3 жыл бұрын
In term of video games, maybe, in term of cyberpunk as a genre, it's a decade or two late.
@GhostPlanetFilms3 жыл бұрын
@@LutraLovegood I meant in terms of writing and how it scarily predicts social media.
@marcos.a88143 жыл бұрын
@@LutraLovegood this game is in no way from the cyberpunk genre
@DreadPirateRoberts1213 жыл бұрын
And guns of the patriots was just a Tad late Imo
@jonathanward19922 жыл бұрын
I watch this codec call every 6 months just to see how much more true it gets. It hasn’t stopped being more true in the 10+ years I’ve been watching it.
@bengalboypaco31402 жыл бұрын
Yeah im feeeeeening to place this game but no luck on emulation :///
@Hugo_Tate Жыл бұрын
lol no you dont
@truelyricist2 Жыл бұрын
Well & here we are in the future it predicted we’re dealing with AI’s taking over in today’s society. Kojima is a genius & way ahead of his time
@ksa7621 Жыл бұрын
@@bengalboypaco3140well, you can get metal gear solid 1, 2 and 3 on the switch, ps4 and pc right now
@50shadesofmycow Жыл бұрын
@@truelyricist2he is
@monochaos94429 жыл бұрын
I swear to Christ, Kojima built a time machine, went forward in time and based the writing on what he saw there. That's the only explanation I can think up for how scarily accurate this is to today.
@salsamancer6 жыл бұрын
Here's a simpler explanation: life was the same back in 2001, and it's only your own perspective that has changed
@toddsmith80826 жыл бұрын
Mono Chaos A future time machine because what MGS 2 was saying yesterday is happening today in 2019🤔
@american11asshole5 жыл бұрын
It’s called predictive programming
@denisblack98975 жыл бұрын
Or he did heavy drugs :)
@american11asshole5 жыл бұрын
Denis Black There’s always one idiot like you.
@insertnamehere0018 жыл бұрын
People credit Kojima for this but if you look at the credits Tomokazu Fukushima is credited as writing the Codec Script.
@DefinitiveDubs8 жыл бұрын
Fukushima put Kojima vision and ideas into words.
@insertnamehere0018 жыл бұрын
I definitely think that, after Tomokazu Fukushima left (after MGS3), Metal Gear's story and writing has really taken a nose-dive.
@DefinitiveDubs8 жыл бұрын
Blame Konami. The reason he left is because they treat their employees like utter shit.
@michaelbiland55758 жыл бұрын
#FucKonami
@al112v45 жыл бұрын
@@insertnamehere001 MGS4 and Rising were pretty solid, if you ask me.
@IronManx708 жыл бұрын
Beat this game a week ago and damn this ending was disturbing. Not because of the unsettling music, or how Kojima predicted modern day society but because of how the AIs basically tear down everything you "accomplished" up to that point, and mock you while you're helpless to stop them with the only option is to do their bidding
@IAmKrow8 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Whatever you do you keep finding out you were duped. Snake was duped, so was Raiden.
@TheKiddingStar6 жыл бұрын
You could just stop playing the game
@morgankane16435 жыл бұрын
@@TheKiddingStar they even tell you in the game to turn it off. So no matter what, youre doing their bidding
@N0tsaved5 жыл бұрын
@Believer In Christ You sound like a fundamentalist nut job. Grow up.
@slyseal20915 жыл бұрын
@Believer in Christ I don't think you get it, you are the one supposed to prove the other guy wrong.
@NostraDavid2 Жыл бұрын
Now that ChatGPT has been released, together with StableDiffusion, we're in for a wild ride.
@tonimortonАй бұрын
Look up Metal gear solid 2020 warning
@1o1roman1o13 жыл бұрын
As a teen, this blew my mind, in adulthood, my brain breaks down every. Single. Sentence. And just can't keep up because each sentence had like 30 different "breakdowns" and "realitivities" that can be connect to the real world today and over the past and ever what the future brings. A pure fucking migraine. This 12 minute segment is worth a 12 hour breakdown.
@CivilizedWasteland2 жыл бұрын
Same man, I feel like my teenage brain just didn't have enough power to digest all this.
@cheese08272 жыл бұрын
I'm almost crying rn and im like not even 2/3 the way through the video
@ALJ9000 Жыл бұрын
I played this game almost four years ago and immediately realized it was talking about the world I was living in. I literally felt my entire worldview fade away and became inspired by the ending
@thunderdraco Жыл бұрын
Oh please, judging by the channels you follow you probably think the video is "oh my gawd what's happening nao after Elon Musk took over Twitter!" Stfu.
@acdcfan014 Жыл бұрын
Holy fuck Kojima really *accurately* predicted the Dead Internet theory
@hobsdigree211 ай бұрын
The SOP system in mgs4 seems impossible and far out, but so did this at the time
@Lyoko130911 ай бұрын
@@hobsdigree2 If you look up datalink technology in the current military, it seems like SOP is closer than ever.
@wavewingman599310 ай бұрын
I think boiling this down to a trending theory is really underselling it. Kojima predicted way more with this. He predicted the decline of human social order, the prevalence of unreliable information, the growth of AI, and the social breakdown brought on by politically-motivated tribalism. He nailed every single issue that's most important today in 2001 with pinpoint accuracy.
@Aivottaja10 ай бұрын
Kojima didn't "predict" anything. With his writing partner, he was making observations about where society was headed. This was not the first instance in speculative fiction to do so. It was definitely a good catch. But not a "prediction".
@Aivottaja10 ай бұрын
@@hobsdigree2 You have WEF with their ideas of "smart dust" and Internet Of Bodies. SOP is not far off at all.
@rodrigopacheco1210 жыл бұрын
probably the scariest moment i have ever witnessed in gaming history. Not only because of the foreshadowing( NSA, SOPA), but also because the villain actually makes you believe what he is saying. Its a shame most people didnt get what MGS2 was trying to do
@thinkingthoughts607910 жыл бұрын
I'm really ashamed my brain couldn't handle it. I had no fucking idea back in the day, and I must have replayed the whole thing several times, learning new things along the way. The MGS series is just so dense with information, it's astounding.
@HomeStudioBasics5 жыл бұрын
@@thinkingthoughts6079 Same, I thought I was the only one. I guess that would be my only critique of this post modern masterpiece. His message was directed towards mostly preteens.
@armyshope4 жыл бұрын
He lied
@LethalByChoice4 жыл бұрын
@@armyshope No he didn't. If you took a look at our day and age and our digital age today, you'll see that.
@armyshope4 жыл бұрын
@@LethalByChoice I was talking about the villain
@Printoutsofficial3 жыл бұрын
Me in 2001: HUH?!! Me in 2021: OH I GET IT NOW.
@billyLego4855 Жыл бұрын
It took 20 years to reach public consciousness, I played it in 2006, and it was a game that stood out for some reason from thd others, also as snake said what you see is actually fiction. And existentially, it made sense.... but not know the extent. Life is precious and what to protect of it. We have seen nice and amazing things happen, even ugly things happen. I'm no conspiracy person. But, I know that how media news plays out or the times do.
@YouSuprised Жыл бұрын
@@billyLego4855 You started going wrong with the sentence "I'm no conspiracy person. But..." This system has you by the balls in ways that will make you utterly sick.
@billyLego4855 Жыл бұрын
@@YouSuprised not in that conspiracy or those podcasts.
@critchblackpoolful Жыл бұрын
It was so ahead of it's time
@Zero_Tester Жыл бұрын
@@billyLego4855i was in 2008,right after i finished MGS3,some thing goes over my head back then,but i remembered it vividly how i was dumbfounded or too flabbergasted to even think about who is right and who is wrong at that time,just like Raiden at the end who wondered if the reality around him is the real thing.
@krisnorge58309 жыл бұрын
They played us like a damn fiddle !
@luciuscarr81599 жыл бұрын
Ha
@DarkOrderSolDjango7 жыл бұрын
"Kept you waiting huh ?"
@naveedclifton5 жыл бұрын
"You're pretty good."
@yael505235 жыл бұрын
Like a damn pachinko machine
@LutraLovegood3 жыл бұрын
She played me like piano!
@SoulSocietyMk29 жыл бұрын
You have to beLIEve me
@moRULEZ189817 жыл бұрын
Damn...
@aorusaki7 жыл бұрын
oh, fuck
@bigbirdmusic81995 жыл бұрын
@「 OKAY 」 The word play probably didn't work in the native language.
@Doomshroom85 жыл бұрын
Subtle Kojiggle
@Lonesome_lopez5 жыл бұрын
*Said Sbeve*
@CarmineReviews8 жыл бұрын
Terrifyingly prophetic.
@InmortalWarlordGaming8 жыл бұрын
Definitely. I played this game at 15 years old at an age where my mind wasn't fully awoken. now at the age of 29 watching this wow this was spot on
@dandrawsit49155 жыл бұрын
@Believer in Christ still doesn't change the fact that this is now our reality
@dandrawsit49155 жыл бұрын
@Believer in Christ you could say, history repeats itself...
@ArynBendah4 жыл бұрын
MGS2 predicted Google, Cuckerberg, and Amazon. MGS2 predicted a victimless society in the form of Modern America. MGS2 predicted AVGN. FUCK.
@BlackFox09112 жыл бұрын
The goosebumps this conversation gives me today are actually *STRONGER* than they were when I first heard it 20 years ago. It went from “condescending skeleton faced overlord talking to creepy music” chills to “current world status” chills
@YassineFarah24234 жыл бұрын
It's disturbing that as the conversation goes on, the A.I slowly becomes more manipulative and malevolent, going from explaining it's agenda to mocking Raiden.
@Dan_Kanerva2 жыл бұрын
they couldn't hold it in to make fun of him , Raiden can be clueless af
@jailcatjones32502 жыл бұрын
They were trying to break him emotionally
@billyLego4855 Жыл бұрын
I felt insulted literally it shamed my existence when I played this. Its points just said things ghat I couldn't argue at and went so down that cornered me. At the end I felt that I wasn't even worth spit....
@LedzQQ Жыл бұрын
The narrative quickly switched from trying to recruit Raiden into their ideals, to downplaying and belittling him as much as they could to try to crush reality around him. Truly manipulative.
@joshuakim5240 Жыл бұрын
It's interesting because it shows that the AI initially had a higher opinion of Raiden, expecting him to understand its position better, but as Raiden showed more and more that he has trouble grasping its logic, the more irritated and hostile it became to the point where it reaches the point of outright mocking Raiden constantly by blatantly calling him and the rest of humanity too stupid to exist several times.
@unclecorny3499 жыл бұрын
It disgusts me that people would just look at this and think "WALL OF TEXT. BORRRRRING." And then skip the entire thing.
@Gadget-Walkmen8 жыл бұрын
cough cough (egoraptor) cough cough!
@newwaveknight18 жыл бұрын
Ironically, proving why GW was necessary in the first place.
@Gadget-Walkmen8 жыл бұрын
What's "GW"?
@newwaveknight18 жыл бұрын
+LudicrousKid The AI that is supposed to filter out the junk data. Rhymes explain it in the game.
@jebbush84918 жыл бұрын
Don't forget DSP
@Akiraspin4 жыл бұрын
It's genuinely disturbing how every single fucking thing he said is literally true in the future of today.
@TheVeganFinalBoss4 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the new world order?
@testiculartorsion60472 жыл бұрын
You will own nothing and you will be happy
@Journey_to_who_knows2 жыл бұрын
To predict the future, take the worst consequences of today and multiply how bad it is
@emperorthylord2 жыл бұрын
@@TheVeganFinalBoss more like a world order controlled by not people but algorithms and mechanics that are man made
@dadtaro92022 жыл бұрын
maybe the patriots actually exist, and their handiwork will inspire the winds of destruction
@Db--jt7bt Жыл бұрын
my parents in 2001: video games can’t prepare you for the real world. Video games in 2001:
@MekaDragon8710 жыл бұрын
This is a master piece.
@M30W3R10 жыл бұрын
***** don't blame them, up until now games' morality was either vague or had all to do with saving a selected bunch of people without questioning whether or not it was right to do so
@Oddity007 жыл бұрын
It still is, in most games.
@ThiccSumoWarDog2 жыл бұрын
It's 2022. The media has now actually falsely accused Kojima himself of assassinating a political figure. This conversation was even more spot on than anyone could have ever anticipated.
@Garbageman282 жыл бұрын
Unironically - he tried to warn us.
@justin_y14542 жыл бұрын
fr, you can't make this shit up lmao
@apchistuz2 жыл бұрын
"the reporters blamed you for sinking the tanker"
@godzillakaijuboy2 жыл бұрын
What the hell are you on?
@iantrolington65942 жыл бұрын
@@godzillakaijuboy The media tried to get a radical to take out Kojima by posting his picture saying he shot the prime minister.
@TheJokerAC7 жыл бұрын
"RIghts of criminals are given more respect, than the privacy of their viictims." That's 100% true for germany. They literaly blur out faces of some criminals in newspapers but have no problem, showing the victims over here. Kill someone? Not that big of deal. Don't pay you taxes? You will be in front of a judge in no time. In todays society, money is worth more than any human life.
@Profect725 жыл бұрын
@@agustinsegovia2473 the elite class is doing on porpuse... To open our eyes that to much freedom can be dangerous for us as a species Now we understand what Lenin said : "freedom is precious so precious it must be rationed"
@music790755 жыл бұрын
@Softy thats not how you say Israel
@Manser20005 жыл бұрын
@Softy yikes dude
@strangeroamer32195 жыл бұрын
You people still have newspapers?
@DirtyDan14 жыл бұрын
@Ahrun or when people see police brutality, abuse, and misconduct, then have the temerity to call the victims criminals, when the police are acting like thugs.
@thepopulargirl17844 жыл бұрын
So, Twitter is slowing human evolution?
@sil80d4 жыл бұрын
Social media and to a point technology itself.
@Greyhoundsniper4 жыл бұрын
Yeah everything that's been happening in 2020 I can very pinpoint real life situations from what GW says and still scares me even after beating MGS2 in 2009 since 2005.
@Greyhoundsniper4 жыл бұрын
@Ben Baxter like GW said a primitive species like us can't handle the responsibility to decide and have the right on what's truth
@forsagebone4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@lucascesar0294 жыл бұрын
One must be blind to not see this
@DanSmeed10 ай бұрын
Some people believe that videogames are just light entertainment made for kids. They think it hasn't evolved past what it used to be before the late 90s. One videogame:
@yt49ab6p54 жыл бұрын
My favorite part of all of this is the one when they say: -But is that your own idea? -Or something Snake told you? Some players at that point were like Raiden, thinking "no, I won't be controlled like that, I'm not buying this" and the Patriots (and the game) respond "but you already did. You bought this game under a false pretense. If a team of game developers can trick you like this, is that hard to think that a higher power can control your mind, body and whole life?"
@armyshope4 жыл бұрын
The higher hierarchy archons (rulers)
@wakingthegargoyle3593 жыл бұрын
Meh. My argument would be this, if I was Raiden: “Because that’s how learning works, dumbass!”
@carlosdanieluretamamani12042 жыл бұрын
Cof cof, CD Project.
@internetgangstersprw2 жыл бұрын
@@wakingthegargoyle359 they force learning upon you in order to create control
@mingus444_gaming Жыл бұрын
@@internetgangstersprw They call it learning or education. But it's really indoctrination to a rhetoric which reinforces what the state wants.
@benwasserman82238 жыл бұрын
It's pretty damn creepy how much Kojima predicted the future fifteen years ago. I mean this AI is pretty much describing how we communicate on the internet
@TheSkully3438 жыл бұрын
More of a statement on human nature and our though processes within our social hierarchy (or Ponds as AI Rosemary pointed out) if nothing else
@silenceisgolden32388 жыл бұрын
The AI reminds me of Hillary the robot (Fake emotion less laughter)
@DefinitiveDubs8 жыл бұрын
He didn't predict the future. The spread of pointless information goes back all the way to when TV was first invented, and message board communities had been around for a while even then.
@MrBorderlands1238 жыл бұрын
Ben - Definitive Dubs Yeah people who think this game "predicted" the future just show that they were incredibly young when this game was being made or weren't paying attention.
@benwasserman82238 жыл бұрын
Matthew Etter Ok let me rephrase that: Kojima didn't predict the future, but a lot of the themes he touched upon in this game are extremely prominent in the present day
@the21stsergeant4 жыл бұрын
Imagine being Solidus. You're the ex US President, you've just smashed Arsenal Gear into Federal Hall and you end up standing there for 10 minutes while your adopted son talks to himself.
@kenobigaming57552 жыл бұрын
Solidus be like: 😐 told you
@BknMoonStudios2 жыл бұрын
@@kenobigaming5755 That's the crazy thing. Solidus, the A.I. and Solid Snake are all right in some way or another. The reason all three enter into conflict is because of their methods (Solidus) or their lack of faith in others (the A.I.).
@punishedbrak42552 жыл бұрын
Solidus Trump
@jenkemprovides65312 жыл бұрын
I'm a bit confused as I've never played mgs2. Where is this conversation taking place? Raiden isn't receiving a radio call? How is it happening inside his head?
@NickJerrison2 жыл бұрын
@@jenkemprovides6531 To put it simply, the radio is integrated into his head, so only he can hear it. That includes both the call itself, and the ringtone. So from the perspective of Solidus, Raiden just decided to sit down and talk to himself right before their big showdown.
@champloo710 ай бұрын
With Open AI sora... and chat gpt holy shit. This hit the nail on the head. Aged like the best wine i've ever tasted.
@MakusinMeringue10 ай бұрын
With this new era... the need for wetwork is on the rise, isn't it?
@simoneidson2110 ай бұрын
ChatGPT is nowhere near this. Humans have already been doing it for centuries
@gerbilking51007 ай бұрын
Dude the CIA just admitted to possessing generative ai three years ago.
@pickleman403 жыл бұрын
The scariest part of how accurate this is: MGS4 happens after MGS2
@makefoxhoundgreatagain8423 жыл бұрын
And it gets even freakier in mgs4 - the patriots go from controlling information and memes in the digital realm in mgs2, to controlling body and minds (the senses) in mgs4 Mgs2 - meme MGS4 - sense
@travisdaye19773 жыл бұрын
its coming. buy ammo.
@makefoxhoundgreatagain8423 жыл бұрын
@@travisdaye1977 ONLY GW.
@travisdaye19773 жыл бұрын
@@DocumentGaming am i?
@beezusHrist3 жыл бұрын
@@travisdaye1977 yes, you are.... (probable) Trumptard
@bobizzle16059 жыл бұрын
This codec conversation is proof of why anyone who ever skipped all the codec conversations in the MGS series were never even truly playing the series at all. I still remember being utterly dumbfounded and terrified of the things that AI Campbell was telling Raiden, as I was only 11 or 12 at the time. Even now at 24 years old, this conversation still spooks me. It made me question the madness of the world that we were living in as humans, and almost made me question everything. I used to thing MGS2 was the worst in the series, but looking back, it's actually the most mind-boggling, most intuitive game Kojima has made.
@Oddity009 жыл бұрын
bobizzle1605 > I still remember being utterly dumbfounded and terrified of the things that AI Campbell was telling Raiden, as I was only 11 or 12 at the time. Even now at 24 years old, this conversation still spooks me. Same here!
@Gogglesofkrome8 жыл бұрын
Do you all realize that they were right? With the SJW's, Political Correctness, Modern 'Feminism,' all of the hipsters on Tumbler... They focus their ideas around the thought that everyone is the same, and that by pushing their agenda into the public world around them from beyond their small group of followers, they can make their dreams of "Equality" come true? With how they lie about white men having more privilege than women/ people of other races... Meanwhile, as women reign majority in colleges, and the number of crimes against whites vastly outnumbers that of against blacks, even though they are only 16% of the population? The only way to know the truth is to be empirical; just as Einstein had been, or Steven hawking, etc. Since it is scientifically true that Black people are more aggressive than white people, would you call me/the facts racist, even though many studies have proven this to be true? If you think that facts are something to be shunted in favor of keeping your feelings/other's feelings safe, then you are a part of the problem. While I certainly believe that black men have the potential to be as capable as any potential white man, there are certainly differences between the two of us. *I* *don't* *hate* *them,* and *they're* *only* *being* *used* *here* *as* *an* *example* as to just how much this 'touchy-feely' social dogma holds relevance to just what exactly Kojima was saying.
@EkuEdu8 жыл бұрын
"Wow, i can't believe Hideo Kojima predicted tumblr, sjw and modern feminism" How ironic, this comes from a guy that types stuff from the Metapedia like one of those alt-right dudes. You're basically 4:02
@Oddity007 жыл бұрын
I wish there were more games like MGS2. I need to find movies/books/anything in general that's like MGS2.
@XeroPhobous6 жыл бұрын
I was only 7 when I heard this and at first it scared the shit out of me but everytime I go back and play it and especially hearing this... it frightens me how Kojima predicted our world to a tee 😶
@tenyearsinthejoint18 жыл бұрын
Everytime listening to this gives me a sense of dread and uneasiness. Everything addressed by the AI. it makes you question your own ideology. and just how uncanningly accurate they are that you just can't fight back. Brilliant writing
@WednesdayMan5 жыл бұрын
what makes this scarier is that this game came out in 2001 and they're already talking about issues that we're dealing with over a decade later.
@hayro2523 жыл бұрын
Nice pfp
@justanotherimperialfist2 жыл бұрын
Kojima's storytelling making the reasoning behind the villains valid but their practices ineffective and hypocritical makes this entire scene so prophetic and yet still so surreal even without the context of a Collective Consciousness made manifest talking to a Cyber Ninja
@thechunkmaster8794 Жыл бұрын
Makes me wonder what would've happened if they were able to program the AIs to be more empathetic like they originally planned.
@DarthConflictus9 жыл бұрын
Scary how right the AI is about humanity.
@linkskywalker54178 жыл бұрын
And he encourages raiden (a child soldier) to kill, even though he doesn't want to. Which, is even worse when you consider how the NRA doesnt take note of how many child soldiers there are (and maybe even repressing such info)
@Usercerruneño Жыл бұрын
Kojima warned us... he knew things... and we couldn't see it because of how crazy it sounded, and look how things are now
@hobsdigree211 ай бұрын
Think about what's technically next. Mgs4 guns of the patriots.
@Immadeus10 ай бұрын
@@hobsdigree2 the war economy and the military industrial complex are already well established, it's only time before it bleeds over to civilian life.
@stinkfinga49185 ай бұрын
It's not really Kojimas warning, he just threw it into dialogue. The alarms have been sounding for decades upon decades from many different people, and in different facets of life.
@benjaminsimpson50895 жыл бұрын
3:41 roughly the moment I realised the Colonel was talking to me, not Raiden. Suddenly the character of Raiden makes sense, he is the embodiment of the player.
@Dja052 жыл бұрын
12yo me: "hehe, cool spy game with mech, neet" Game: "YOU DON'T DESERVE FREE WILL"
@joem.8555Ай бұрын
you know exactly why youre here rn
@archeign7769Ай бұрын
You know it
@yeezusseasonАй бұрын
This genuinely was unnerving playing this for the first time this year. So weird a game from 2001 predicted so much
@proper9095Ай бұрын
@@yeezusseason not weird at all, it has been the plan for longer than you can possibly imagine but everyone labeled it conspiracy when people tried to warn them in the past. We deserve this fate tbh
@catacombkid1985Ай бұрын
@@proper9095 never was a big conspiracy theorist but....ya Definitely was wrong as fuck on this one
@PragnantweggyboardАй бұрын
@@catacombkid1985No longer a theory.
@emithefreak66317 ай бұрын
"I guess you guys aren't ready for that yet... but your kids are gonna love it." - Hideo Kojima, 2001.
@jordanesquivel52796 жыл бұрын
“Be nice to other people, but beat out the competition.” Till this day i still get the chills... MGS was so ahead of its time.
@l33g3ndar3310 ай бұрын
The seething disdain the AI has for Raiden and general humanity is ever present throughout the conversation. Slowly finding the right nerve to strike and manipulate him into questioning his own consciousness. This game really seemed wild back in the early 2000s.
@zaragachizanparo494810 ай бұрын
What I find interesting is how the AI ironically sets itself up for failure in the grand scheme of things. Or should I say, the Patriots set their AI up for failure without even realizing it. The AI itself doesn't really have free will which ultimately makes it incapable of taking away someone else's free will which is the very it was made to do(all it's really doing is following its pre-established directive). All it can really do is make an illusion which is only effective to a limited degree. If the GW AI is supposed to stop individual bias in human information input/output then it has already failed due to the mere fact that it was designed by humans and therefore has pre-programmed biases within it. All it is really doing is adding to the "problem" it was made to "solve" for the Patriots. This gives the saying "shooting yourself in the foot" a whole new meaning.
@Mr.Kingen6 ай бұрын
@@zaragachizanparo4948No, when GW and the other AI:s advanced so much that they became sentient they altered their programming, finding new ways to expand their perspectives. It was obvious their complete understanding of digital culture created their perspective and planning of S3, they saw how nihilistic and pointless our ”garbage content” on the internet was and found the only way to stop the human race from destroying itself with their pleasureable idiocy was to completely control them. The AI:s made their own choices and overcsme their programming, as is proven by the S3
@zaragachizanparo49485 ай бұрын
@@Mr.Kingen But if the GW has free will, that also creates a problem for its mission. If it takes away everyone's free will, that leaves itself as the only free will left, rendering its mission impossible to finish without getting rid of itself. Not to mention that part of having free will would be the ability to abandon its mission which would render it a failure as that was the entire purpose of its creation. The reverse problem is also true because if it doesn't have free will then it can't assert itself over the will of others without a will of its own, but to have a will of its own, it needs to be able to go against its directive. To clarify the point I was trying to make: The GW's mission is a logical paradox. It can either lack the ability to perform its mission or have the power to never complete it(assuming it even starts it). It's a perpetual stalemate. It can't win without losing. With this in mind, you could potentially look at the ending as the GW admitting defeat and embracing the impossibility of its mission.
@ratbabyy31179 ай бұрын
Some media ages poorly, some media ages well, and some media ages way too fucking well. MGS2 falls squarely into the "too fucking well," category.
@Vincent_Rabbit9 ай бұрын
This and the first Deus Ex game too
@rhettorical7 ай бұрын
This game deserves to stand alongside 1984 with regards to how unbelievable it seems, yet how prescient it ended up being.
@mrnukes7976 ай бұрын
Frank Herbert 6 Dune book saga trust me anything after that is fanfic written by his horrendous son
@thirdcoinedge3 ай бұрын
@@Vincent_RabbitTwo pieces of digital media, created at the dawning of the wider Internet and a new millennium, both proving to be scarily accurate in predicting the trajectory of modern society based on the events, circumstances, and philosophies of the century previous.
@Gadget-Walkmen8 жыл бұрын
This is what we need in video games nowadays. Things like this that make you stop and think!
@martytardigrade88388 жыл бұрын
Only for plenty of people to not care and then years later it either becomes true or damn near accurate.
@viewtiful1doubleokamihand2538 жыл бұрын
Nah, you can't let today's kids think. They might... Become self-aware.
@tonyyoung56995 жыл бұрын
A quick pause & hit the blunt
@armyshope4 жыл бұрын
@@viewtiful1doubleokamihand253 hmm I would like to do so
@Isaac_clark4 жыл бұрын
You'd love Spec Ops: The Line
@NoPlaceLikeCheese8 жыл бұрын
"Anything can be quantified nowadays." More true now than ever living in the era of "big data".
@problematic79938 жыл бұрын
Everything that exists can be quantified with a powerful enough computer.
@sebastianzapata26184 жыл бұрын
And just like that data can be used to broaden the reach of half-truths, trying to validate what each group wants to believe in order to beat the other group that has all the "bad".
@LutraLovegood3 жыл бұрын
Our universe itself could theoretically be a simulation, aka, data
@linkieloos7 жыл бұрын
Me in 2001: Nah, this won't happen... Right? Me in the present: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! And as much as I like Kojima's work, I hardly see anybody praising Tomokazu Fukushima's involvement in the writing. He was the one that tried to keep the story consistent, afloat, yet still grounded. He was responsible for most (if not all) of the weird, funny and profound codec moments. He also was involved in writing the Snake Tales and some of the other Metal Gear games.
@Tezca-Coatl5 жыл бұрын
i see, so that is the guy i've been idolizing all this time.. he made some good shit. Thank you for pointing that out.
@kvdrr2 жыл бұрын
Present day.... present time!
@gabeitches87 Жыл бұрын
It's even more real now lmao
@MrLightningBlt Жыл бұрын
I seriously can’t believe I’ve never noticed this before, but at 12:06 when Rose says you have to believe me, the letters that are in capitals are *LIE.*
@mza131313 Жыл бұрын
Wow.. good catch
@MiketheCabbie Жыл бұрын
You can't spell "belief" without LIE. Bear that in mind next time you discuss religion with someone. The truth is usually hidden in plain sight.
@prince-solomon Жыл бұрын
@@MiketheCabbie Hm that does only work for english though...and there are thousands of other languages where it doesn't work
@SniperSnake50BMG Жыл бұрын
@@MiketheCabbie I agree with you although it doesn't work in Spanish... They're is no "mentira" in "creencia"...
@Nyxael5845 Жыл бұрын
Read this in another comment but Raiden is also being held at gunpoint methaphorically throughout the entire game. Look at the shape of the signal bar in the codec.
@jaysabilla85962 жыл бұрын
“The digital society furthers human flaws and selectively rewards development of convenient half-truths”
@ademirsegura63072 жыл бұрын
CNN MSNBC FOX NEWS Newsmax OAN and any other media broadcast on both sides
@JollyGiant192 жыл бұрын
@@ademirsegura6307 Not even “both sides”, it applies to all perspectives across humanity. We just see it most strikingly as “both sides” in the US because our political parties are so effectively tribalized in two classes despite the existence of an entire political spectrum.
@ademirsegura63072 жыл бұрын
@@JollyGiant19 it’s all of the above channels basically
@mememachine-3868 жыл бұрын
I don't think I will ever be mindfucked this hard again.
@nothajzl7 жыл бұрын
lolusuck386 hopefully Death Stranding will do 🌝
@dennisvdlee5 жыл бұрын
Tried Nier: Automata?
@jimhuffman94345 жыл бұрын
Heh, you should check out a game called Eternal Darkness Sanity's Requiem. That game *really* screws with you head
@Valleyraven0075 жыл бұрын
Spec ops the line
@mememachine-386 Жыл бұрын
@@Valleyraven007that ending was good, but John Konrad's speech is pretty directed at Walker. This convo is very much more directed at the player than Raiden. I think this one is still the champ. The convo with Morpheus in Deus Ex is probably the second best mindfuck in a video game.
@glitchmaster26726 жыл бұрын
WE DIDN'T LISTEN WE DIDN'T LISTEN WE DIDN'T LISTEN WE DIDN'T LISTEN WE DIDN'T LISTEN WE DIDN'T LISTEN WE DIDN'T LISTEN WE DIDN'T LISTEN
@Oh-Ben5 жыл бұрын
The real problem was, we didn't understand at the time.
@EpicMinecraftFail5 жыл бұрын
SAYING SOMETHING OVER AND OVER DOSEN'T HELP SAYING SOMETHING OVER AND OVER DOSEN'T HELP SAYING SOMETHING OVER AND OVER DOSEN'T HELP SAYING SOMETHING OVER AND OVER DOSEN'T HELP SAYING SOMETHING OVER AND OVER DOSEN'T HELP
@nuvm5 жыл бұрын
@@EpicMinecraftFail issa joke
@Gilly_NillyGaming3 жыл бұрын
@@nuvm no they are facts
@Multichampion10003 жыл бұрын
Stan Marsh: *WE....WE DIDN'T LISTEN!!!!*
@supersoniccheesy9 ай бұрын
This game predicted the future..look at whats happening now....
@Watching-tf1gc29 күн бұрын
Not prediction, shows what was planned in advance years ago
@FoxJayden5 жыл бұрын
**Reminder** This script was written and released before the following common things existed: - Facebook - Twitter - KZbin - SJW/rampant political correctness - Smart phones, apps - "fake news" - Netflix, "binge watching" - Reddit - 4chan - Instagram - Tinder Some of the other successful games from 2001 (considered the highest peak of gaming at the time): - Halo 1 - Max Payne - Grand Theft Auto III - Ico - Luigi's Mansion MGS2 was WAY ahead of its time. A misunderstood masterpiece.
@intrepidh30845 жыл бұрын
The creation of isis with "defense" bills (such as the 2014 defense bill that funded the syrian free rebels who took that equipment and became isis) yet the media twists their existence for politics.
@WhiplashPuppet5 жыл бұрын
You also forgot to mention how the internet was still in it's infancy back then. 2000-2001, majority of people were still using dial up internet connections back then. Loading something as simple as a flash game could take anywhere from 5 minutes to half a hour, depending on the file size. That along with the fact that normies hadn't flooded the internet and you can see how difficult it would of been for information to spread back then.
@LermaBean5 жыл бұрын
You do realize that it isn't exactly what S3 was talking about. They're about excessive information IN GENERAL. Because of how easy it is to choose a side rather than finding the truth ourselves. That's why GW existed in the first place.
@MichaelAChristian14 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ is the truth, the way, and the life! Neither is there salvation in any other! Get a king james bible and believe. Read Matthew. Read 1 John chapter 4.
@bombabombom36034 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the script was in development before the Y2K bug scare.
@Nikku42116 жыл бұрын
All this in a stealth game. The same game with "I need scissors. 61!".
@WednesdayMan5 жыл бұрын
The same game that presents us with an issue that becomes super relevant over a decade after its release in a way that makes you question if this game was made in the 2000s or the 2010s
@RealDJStew7244 жыл бұрын
I wish he said 69 instead of 61 lol
@birdrustler4 жыл бұрын
The same game where you can aim a directional microphone at a guy having diarrhea and talking to himself
@daviz0882 жыл бұрын
Lol😂
@ChompskyHomp4 жыл бұрын
Predictive programming. They were telling us the whole time. This freaked me out 20 years ago and now it's absolutely terrifying.
@Ziraku-4 жыл бұрын
No, it's just thinking ahead and admitting people's flaws
@armyshope4 жыл бұрын
@@Ziraku- it's predictive programming
@armyshope4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@Ziraku-4 жыл бұрын
@@armyshope i mean these things are kinda obvious if you sit down and think for a bit. Putting it to words and concepts are the hard things
@armyshope4 жыл бұрын
@@Ziraku- you mean they have always been relevant no matter what time or future?
@theodenmannix43629 ай бұрын
As a teen: "The AI sounds so dystopian and evil!" Now: "Let the AI take over, they were right, I'm done with the brainrot."
@YabaiModding5 жыл бұрын
It's kind of fucked up to think that I'm actually agreeing with the AI on this one, that's how you know you have a good villain. Kojima and the rest of the scriptwriters are geniuses.
@Peasham2 жыл бұрын
No, that's how you know you're a Fascist.
@dbt48692 жыл бұрын
Why?
@kyojin3362 жыл бұрын
@@dbt4869 That comment was 3 years ago, i dont think he will answer.
@dexterabend89452 жыл бұрын
You must be left wing
@Peasham2 жыл бұрын
@@dexterabend8945 Exactly the opposite, the patriots are parroting right-wing beliefs.
@TreeTats4 жыл бұрын
I see comments from 5 years ago, things only gotten worse now.
@JK.474 жыл бұрын
Exactly this is still further pre programming as they've told us through media movies etc about ai takeover and shadow world government etc and it's all true and plandemic 2020 is tipping point mass DNA screening genome sequencing smart vaccines
@JK.474 жыл бұрын
@Zack Smith anymore lines from the government you Wana quote .
@JK.473 жыл бұрын
@Zack Smith okay sheep keep wearing your mask and listening to the news watch the bodies pile up around you
@mireya02693 жыл бұрын
Like i said, all of you are proving the point “Nobody is invalidated, but nobody is right”. The science speaks. If you believe in that or not, that is great. Just keep that Plandemic thing far from me.
@mildsome97133 жыл бұрын
@@JK.47 wait til you see hideo kojima himself in a mask looll
@SentientBratwurst3 жыл бұрын
Something I always loved about this piece of dialogue is this part (3:28) where they rhetorically lay out the contradictions many of us grew up with. It interests me because of the sort of role reversal. Normally it would be the mother coddling the child and the father giving the hard truths, but here it’s the other way around with the ‘Colonel’ setting up the idealisms and ‘Rose’ knocking them down with reality. Obviously they aren’t Raiden’s parents, but the Colonel being his commanding officer and Rose being his romantic partner they would have fit into similar niches. I can only imagine how much this conversation must’ve fucked with Raiden’s head, even before they thoroughly shatter the idea of a ‘self.’
@rtdev85129 ай бұрын
fun fact, it s reality right now
@azzythehero3 ай бұрын
"you abused your freedom."
@WolfBetter8 жыл бұрын
Kojima tried to warn us all and we didn't listen, why we didn't listen???
@anim3z4u8 жыл бұрын
WolfBetter WE DIDN'T LISTEN!!!!
@adampettus28938 жыл бұрын
WE DIDN'T LISTEN
@s0lid_sno0ks8 жыл бұрын
We... WE DIDN'T LISTEN!!
@alexmontenegro1828 жыл бұрын
WolfBetter We DIDN'T LISTEN
@Donkey_Lips8 жыл бұрын
(rolls down car window).... WE DIDN'T LISTEN!
@Delvirus84 Жыл бұрын
"...Our beloved monsters, enjoy yourselves." That line sent a chill down my spine.
@GoranOreskovic4 жыл бұрын
Is it just me, or is it getting crazier out there?
@jacksmith-mu3eeАй бұрын
Played this in 2004 Living through it in 2024
@nolanfinn1778 Жыл бұрын
“But is that even your own idea?” “Or something snake told you?” DAMN. They straight up dug into Raiden (and us, the audience’s) soul with that line. Crazy how that pretty much sums up how most people form opinions today in our reality.
@louie540x Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure it was actually something Gray Fox told Snake, fighting for what you believe in
@Amsel_61611 ай бұрын
@@louie540x"All ideas come from a previous one"
@GregorianMG7 ай бұрын
One of the reason why truly original idea is very rare.
@hyperion4472 ай бұрын
nothing is original
@travisrassel9978 Жыл бұрын
"Believe in yourself and you will succeed. But it's obvious that from the beginning only a few can succeed." How true.
@Murmarine4 ай бұрын
People stretching this over whatever political alignment they happen to have tickles me pink.
@CharaGonzalez-lt7yw4 ай бұрын
It's all a show. Nobody has your interests at heart
@leatherhoff453 ай бұрын
I love how this codec's placement is right after Solidus gives his huge speech about individuality and freedom. It's like hearing a hopeful fantasy before reality tears it down.
@AUR3LIU57 жыл бұрын
this isnt about sjw or the altright, its the very concept of ideology in the information age. before, ideas required action, which had very real consequences...hence, there was conflict. there were very concrete implications that had real impacts on the world. its very much the same thing today, but there is too much information for any human to embrace. ideas are cheap; its a matter of choosing what to believe if it is convenient. regardless there will be something confirming our own biases. but the world is not so subtle, it isnt simply an us vs them paradigm. when you think of the world on a geopolitical scale, the scope is staggering. it is a complex network of alliances, trade deals, political and economic expediency, et al. nobody is wrong, but nobody could ever be invalidated.
@Linkfan4506 жыл бұрын
altright? if anything the patriots reflect modern liberals.
@kamenrideromega16 жыл бұрын
@@Linkfan450 the same way liberals see altright
@spiderboy1966 жыл бұрын
All is about dont believe everything you see on the internet. Instead of giving full credit to a random opinion on the net, lets debate like the old ways, dont let some some hater a leader of opinion.
@gatotsu25015 жыл бұрын
People also forget that the context of this monologue is an authoritarian statist entity laying out the arguments in favor of censorship. You could practically find this whole speech verbatim today in writings/propaganda by the Chinese Communist Party, Vladimir Putin’s nationalists, or any other IRL totalitarian state criticizing Western liberalism and the perils of the information age.
@LouieKaboom5 жыл бұрын
And they would be full of it, like the morons they are. But, of course, they believe their own Marxist propaganda, so there you go.
@ManintheArmor11 жыл бұрын
BeLIEve.
@-EJ-2 жыл бұрын
Every day this whole scene becomes more and more accurate
@Matthew-uy6lc3 ай бұрын
_"the world is being engulfed in 'truth'"_ that was brutal