Combat vs Competition Shooting

[@ImPostedUp]

Not every competition is a gunfight, but every gunfight is a competition.

[@G.W-01]

If you aint first, you're last.

[@rurouniad]

Life is open division

[@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw]

​@@rurouniad I don't follow rules in real life 😂

[@OEF_Vet_0331]

Hey that’s pretty good.

[@G.W-01]

@@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw If you aint cheating you aint trying.

[@thatoneguywithtwothumbs]

To this day I still expect to hear “..from moss pawn and gun” after you say your name. RIP Barry.

[@xander2541]

Has he left Moss pawn and gun all together? I see there's no more Chad anymore either 😔😥 Just a one man show now, love Eric just remember he was always a dynamic duo

[@swivel63]

@@xander2541 yea, i miss seeing chad on the channel.

[@AllAboutSurvival]

While competition shooting sharpens accuracy and speed under pressure, combat training is crucial for real-world scenarios.

[@Scottz72]

Definitely a different mindset. Competitive shooting is just for fun,but I will say this. I have seen a few military guys show up to local gun matches that could barely handle a pistol or a rifle

[@rmartuszewski]

Maybe POGs, and combat is not about time or the other factors in comps, combat is about tactics and ability to outperform the enemy.

[@DC-uc8xl]

@@rmartuszewski Agreed. Everyone assumes that people in the military are experts at hand to hand combat and can shoot like John Wick.

[@SMS2884]

​@@rmartuszewski That's because for most combat roles you aren't relying on stealth or speed or accuracy. You're using overwhelming force.

[@PolenarTactical]

​@@rmartuszewski saw a famous recon marine fail quite miserably at rifle an pistol shooting at one of the competitions - he knew the basics of shooting but everyone was just faster and more accurate then him. The thing is that people think shooting equates to gunfight but that isnt the case. Yes, there is shooting in a gunfight but also communication, tactics, maneuvering and implementing bigger weapon systems to achieve a goal.

[@ASAP2525]

@@rmartuszewskicope from all the SOF I hear they take heavy pride in being extremely fast and dynamic and when they come into matches they usually place A or M class very respectable

[@papimaximus95]

Obviously combat is different than a shooting competition. I don't think anyone is trying to simulate combat during a competition. HOWEVER, competition is a great SHOOTING training tool. Competitions require you to draw, move and shoot accurately as fast as possible on multiple targets under time and safety pressure. Those skills are very useful for most of us.

[@uoislame]

until you talk to most of the competition shooters online. they pretend they are super tier operators and are the best gun fighters because they maximize their times. they reload in the open. they don't take any cover into account. they aren't dq'd with a no shoot. they are shooting multiple targets who are standing still and not shooting back. its a good training tool. but thats it.

[@papimaximus95]

@@uoislame Uh, yeah...that is what I basically said. Although, I know of no competition shooters in my years of competitive shooting who "pretend" to be anything. What I find to be true is the keyboard warriors who think they know what combat is because they play COD and/or have all the coolest and latest gear.

[@Grooove_e]

Hitting the heavy bag vs sparring

[@hotchihuahua1546]

The third is being a gladiator in Roman times !

[@papimaximus95]

Yeah, but no one goes into a professional boxing match without hitting the heavy bag and sparring as much as possible.

[@Grooove_e]

@@papimaximus95 True, when I said sparring I was simply referring to the old saying of "the bag doesnt hit back". Just like in competition shooting the target doesnt shoot back.

[@RyanSackett]

As a Muay Thai fighter and a competition shooter that is very well put I agree with that statement. Which is why I would suggest force on force training to go with your competition shooting.

[@BirdDogey1]

I'm a retired big city ghetto cop who has been in a handful of off duty incidents. Self defense incidents happen quickly and violently. Ideally, you have ID'd the threat before the threat makes their move. It will be up close and personal. Your red dot will be useless. You will most likely be within the car length of the threat. The adrenaline dump will be massive. The enemy gets a vote. They will be trying to do bad things to you making your defense moves more difficult. Situational awareness and fitness are your friend. Lay off the fried food.

[@anangryranger]

Three years in Vietnam at a company strength firebase. Lots of patrols. Good amount of contact and ambush operations. Took a year off after discharge. Then 30 years of patrolling as a peace officer. Three shootings during my career. Now in my 70s, and long retired, I still observe everything around me. I'm never really relaxed. Everyone is a possible threat. In town I'm checking out the area for cover and escape. Yeah, that combat mindset never leaves you. Never...

[@theCREAMofIT]

Your comment made me think about ASP channel on youtube instantly. Thanks for stepping up and protecting your community.

[@theCREAMofIT]

@@anangryranger So true. I am always on edge, and I never served but just been in some crazy situations in my life. Still, I know my mindset is nothing like yours. Especially because my father was a 'Nam Vet. Thanks for your service, Sir.

[@anangryranger]

@@theCREAMofIT Well sir, my family's been soldiers since the Continental Army. There was a sort of split from 1860 through 1865 where our Texas ancestors served in the Confederate Army.😏 And a few were in the Union Army. But otherwise, we're there.And I was also a third generation peace officer. My father, uncle, grandfather and great uncle were all lawmen. Must be in our DNA!😆🇺🇲

[@iamjocanadian]

@BirdDogey1 Why is the red dot useless at a car length? If you have a good index the dot will paint itself on the target that you're focused on.

[@CoreyFPiazza]

I compete often in EDC, 2-Gun, 3-gun, and someone once told me that how I approach these competitions is what I'm going to get out of it. If I'm thinking I'm going to approach it like a game and just outshoot everyone, I'm not going to get out of it much that will train me for real life combat because I'm thinking more about cutting corners than building actual skill. But if I'm thinking realistically, treating innocent targets like real innocents, using cover for reloads, taking my finger off the trigger when sweeping innocent targets, and conscientiously using the match to build real world relevant training into muscle memory, I might not get good timing, but I'm getting what I want out of the match.

[@SMS2884]

Mindset is everything. The stress of shooting on a timer is a real thing. Muscle memory with good fundamentals is also vital. The ultimate soldier will have had competition skills as well as real world. I've seen so many veterans realize that when you put them on a timer and make them shoot fast, they fall apart as most people do. Being able to shoot accurately without even thinking about it is key. Because in an actual incident none of that is what you're going to be thinking about. So it just has to happen.

[@axelcrespo6842]

You must be a competition shooter. It's different to shoot against a timer than shooting to stay alive.

[@SMS2884]

@axelcrespo6842 Bold of you to assume I haven't done both.

[@Dstev98141]

You Sir, just did a very good job of simplifying a very deep and dark subject! Thanks!

[@steve390gold]

The reason we all compete is singular in nature. It's F'in FUN!! It provides a nice adrenaline hit, it encourages safe gun handling, it hones one's abilities the best one can, wiithout having the possibility of getting shot. It is the same reason you love drag racing, or sky diving, or rock climbing. It is fun.

[@JG_1998]

“Shooting is shooting”- Matt Pranka (Delta Force assaulter from 2008-2020, current OGA contractor, USPSA production grandmaster)

[@Petetony]

Do not listen to this^^^

[@JG_1998]

@@Petetonyyeah don’t listen to a guy who spent 12 years doing CQB in a tier 1 unit and is currently contracting. Instead listen to a KZbinr who was a regular marine 20 years ago 🤡.

[@JG_1998]

​@@Petetony yeah dont listen to the guy with 12 years of modern experience in a tier 1 unit and current contractor. Instead listen to the youtuber who was a regular marine 20 years ago 🤡

[@timmooney7528]

Pranka teaches law enforcement and military folk who have already acquired prerequisite training either through infantry training or police training. His students already have a combat mindset vs a pure gamer mindset.

[@Petetony]

@@timmooney7528 Pranka hates civilians and so does Trex who agreed with him and guess who says Competition is the same as combat, those two. Although not verbatim but their content keeps hammering the narrative that all you need is competition shooting

[@louispawloski9123]

You can't tap out in combat BUT You can definately be tapped out.

[@JonCMarino]

U can. It’s called surrendering.

[@michaelbloom5342]

In competition, nobody is shooting back. Just the psychological awareness that you could die any second changes everything.

[@goodcitizen64]

110% facts! As an Army engineer, we were constantly looking and waiting for the dang snipers to start picking us apart at every construction job! The psychological head game was horrendous to say the least!

[@legendfy9093]

Competition isn't tactics though so why you would compare the two. Competition is simply pushing yourself to obtain better fundamentals and hard skills.

[@uoislame]

competition is good for you to hone your skills and find weak points in your shooting form. but, its not a fight. if you min max competition, you will make poor choices in gun fights. everyone who trains should do competitions tho. it is good training, as long as you treat it as such.

[@legendfy9093]

@@uoislame That's my question though. Why do people compare the two? No one in the competition world does that, we simply know the difference. Is it an insecurity thing, that's what I'm trying to figure out.

[@SMS2884]

​​@@legendfy9093 Lot of veterans think that competition shooters can't be good in combat for some reason. What's funny is when you put them on a timer and grade them on accuracy, they are terrible. My opinion and experience. When you talk about your average soldier, NOT Spec ops guys that holds true. Funny thing is a lot of top tier military guys get into competitions to become better. I'll say it again. You can't train the with the fear of death. That's what alot of people are saying competition shooters can't compete with a soldier. Well soldiers shoot terrible when you put them on a timer. As a citizen I train for speed and absolute accuracy. Because for me, nothing else matters. You want to win a gunfight? Be the first person to draw AND get hits on target. Your average person, including soldiers, are not that.

[@jarkoer]

I'm retired Navy who was in security forces for a while. Got a buddy who was Army Airborne and a SAW gunner. He wasn't much of a gun guy until recently. (Yeah, surprisingly a lot of vets aren't big into guns.) Yeah, I know more about guns and am a better marksman than he is, but I have no doubt that on the battlefield he would kick my butt in a heartbeat. He's got tactics, physical fitness, survival skills, land navigation and hell just the plain mentality to survive. In a SHTF scenario, all I know is that I'll be glad to have him on my side!

[@clayhamilton9487]

There’s so many more skills you have to master as an infantryman than just shooting

[@OEF_Vet_0331]

Infantry is almost like a jack of all trades, a master at none. But you do become quite a master of your battle-space, patrolling every day/night.

[@checkmate058]

This is exactly why the gun community should embrace paintball or airsoft or tactical shooting videogames. Watch a compitiion shooter move around a corner and then see a average player of Squad or Arma or even play something like Door Kickers.

[@Lapinmiez]

What??? John Wick isnt realistic when he moves exactly like he was on practical shooting range?!

[@hotchihuahua1546]

Mike Tyson - everybody has a plan until you get hit ! It all goes out the door with accuracy in the heat of battle !

[@TheWalterKurtz]

This whole "operator" mentality that came in with concealed carry revolution is sickening.

[@joshua7233]

Eric, just wanted to say that I've been watching your channel for a while now and I really enjoy your content. You're a good dude.

[@House_of_Zodd]

I'm a Marine veteran and former Marine rifle instructor. My civilian friends think I learned to shoot well in the Corps but I didn't. I grew up in a family that was heavily involved in CMP and other competitions. I've been shooting since i could physically hold a gun lol

[@dragonslayer6000]

Fantastic points, this is why youre a pillar of the communities

[@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw]

Most tactical guys who dont compete are simply scared to look bad.

[@iamjocanadian]

That's because they are, in fact, bad.

[@timothyoreilly6571]

Surviving combat is less about fighting and killing the enemy than avoiding jock itch without taking enough showers.

[@edgratz3425]

I used to compete in service rifle competition. Never in combat and don't ever want to be. Also never thought they had much to do with one another except you shoot a gun.

[@isaudy]

Go to comp to be better, not to beat others. Take professional training classes, then go to comp and work on what you learn. I took so much training, and comp tied it all together for me. Comp and training is fun but its not real, obviously.

[@MobiusUSAH]

To be fair, I don't think any competitive shooter out there is trying to claim that competition shooting is combat shooting. I think you get a lot more people saying they WON'T do competitions because they think it's pointless. Basically what you're discussing is the psycology of combat vs the training of competition. And I don't know any competitors that would claim competition gets you psycologically ready for combat. Honestly, even the military doesn't train 100% of the time with live fire back at them. But what competition can do is make you a better shooter under pressure even if it's not full blown combat pressure.

[@Petetony]

What are you talking about? They constantly push that narrative that it is the same.

[@papimaximus95]

@@Petetony No, they don't Not about "combay". Now, we do "push the narrative" with respect to self defense shooting.

[@MobiusUSAH]

@@Petetony Having been in and around competitve shooting for nearly 15 years, no, they don't. If you don't want to compete, fine, don't. No big deal. But I don't know of and have never met a competitve shooter who believes that competition is the same as combat. Only that competition will make you better at shooting and that could help in combat. Training is training.

[@Petetony]

@@papimaximus95 yes they do. It’s all over social media influencer.

[@legendfy9093]

@@Petetony Who?

[@Cloture.q]

Head down to Southport, NC. There is nothing better than seeing the new MARSOC kids get absolutely humbled by a 15 year old girl in a techwear jersey.

[@Gunsandfun1961]

Good stuff...good to see you are back in the saddle...

[@PeasantKing-od5lg]

Skills are crucial, but mindset is what gets you through war. Something not needed in competition, at least not to the same level.

[@mrguiltyfool]

The two biggest difference between combat and competition shooting are the logistics and support. Logistic as in you can get resupplied. Support as in call for air support or artillery support and etc... As a civilian, you are usually on your own and with no resupply. Ofc as a civilian you will also be constrained on the type of weapons you can have access to.

[@rvoykin]

As a competitive shooter, this is probably one of the most fair breakdowns. I’ve seen a lot of military and even special force guys come out and they absolutely get humbled in terms of just raw speed and accuracy, but if we were to go into combat, they would be much more proficient than the best competitive shooters who have never been in that environment. Having said that a competitive shooter is going to have a huge advantage with no training going into combat for the first time

[@AJ13B]

As a string puller, I was hoping you wouldn’t call us out like that! Now I feel attacked 😭 😂

[@Zantar45]

Now that you put it out there in the universe, some weirdos that love guns and have too much money are going to create a Squid Game Shooting Competition

[@The21bravo]

I learned more from KZbin about marksmanship and firearms than the Army ever taught me.

[@limejeeper2445]

My pops told me stories of Vietnam. He said more than once. If they didn't get hit for a few days or almost a week. Tensions ran high on the compound. After the mortars would start hitting. Closer n closer. Then it would stop. And every one was like ahhh. They would go nuts if it went 5 days or more with out getting hit. Crazy stuff he used to tell me. Pterodactyl. 185th recon

[@evann1136]

Eric your videos have gotten better lately

[@DeePSeVN]

Combat is just competition under stress knowing that you're also a target.

[@sinclairpages]

ALWAYS REMEMBER: In competition and training events, paper targets do not shoot back at you. Many a "Big Bad Dude" pissed himself when the first bullets came back at him. Competition increases your skills and confidence. It does not increase you fight or flight internal insistent. The mind can do strange things to people in real life events.

[@michaeltomsa-musatin]

Furthermore in the competitions it is all just simple repetition of a known string of fire on a stationary target...obviously a three gun is just a repetition of a known pattern. A real competition for those people to see how well they really shoot is a blind target system where different targets pop up in different locations and ranges at random when they step up to the line...that will sort out the real shooters with the ones who stood on the free throw line and shot a thousand times at a rim that never moves.

[@LuisElyonArmy]

Great Video. Great to debate.

[@dagttv]

In combat, targets are shooting back at you. Also translates to the gear: in combat, you want reliability above all else. In competition, you can spend a long time tuning your gear for speed at the expense of reliability. Look at Stacatto 9mm. I wouldn't want a race gun in combat, ever.

[@navchaps3449]

I served as a chaplain to marines. My observation of marines training was that most of training focused on "mental toughness". Tactics drilled, but the primary weapon was the mind. I might be wrong. Just a chaplain's view of marine training.

[@russellsnook3164]

I served 5 1/2 years in the infantry. I went to Korea for 1 year. Because of our treaty with n, korea i had to go through 2 weeks of m/p training to go on the dmz. While in the 82nd abn , i did trug interdiction missions in c/a . Once i was out of the army i joined a gun club . Prince of Wales island sportsman club. Pow gc runs idpa competition. I would do my best to win , but i used a 1911 10mm . I would use old magazines. The reason was to creat failures. Under stress of compilation i would be clearing jams and feed failures. In 5 years i never beat any men , but i always beat all the women. But i could clear my pistol on the run. Thats me training. What do you do?

[@GWOTalchem]

“It’s the weeks inbetween” yup to real

[@cailoebphillips9444]

Getting a beer and burger is a skill i destroy at

[@dn88s]

Drawing an analogy between hunting and shooting sports I believe that engaging in shooting sports is helpful to a degree but then it reaches a point where you aren't improving your fundamentals you're just gaming the rules.

[@yeayeasautoadventures]

love the whataburger cap, you need the oldschool coffee mug

[@FPSsuper]

I do a lot of airsoft/milsim and uspsa competition. I think competition is like the race track for guns. I like to play with race guns lol. Can’t afford race cars.

[@casualplayah]

Competition is a game where you're timed playing for points and trophies. You could be an alpha comp shooter and will never willfully get in a gunfight, or you could.

[@peterstrobl6527]

Thanks!

[@frisk151]

ABSOLUTE FACTS!

[@JoelPlotecher]

Well said!

[@dSlayer6160]

Was Kermit always there? 😂

[@peterwehrmeyer925]

No

[@ThomasHerfkins-z6y]

Being able to be situationally aware in a loud and dangerous environment takes a mental callous that has to be built. Not everyone can stay focused in such a situation.

[@TheFeebleClone]

I knew a Muai Thai fighter, a fairly successfully one, who vomited before fights due to the adrenaline dump. He is tougher than 95+ percent of us. Being scared or adrenaline overdosed is not easy. "Death, where is thy sting?"

[@mma709]

I am competing in my 1st Tactical games, it’s a mix of fitness and two gun competition. I am not military or law enforcement but armed security officer, I think this is the best training I can do to come close to what military or LEO’s might run into

[@areekalaan]

We once had a Navy Seal CQC trainer as a special guest at a match. They let him help set up the course. Several of us beat him including myself. I'm sure he could have destroyed me in numerous other things, but a guy that teaches Navy Seals to kick in doors and kill everyone inside seemed very out of place at a match. We didn't win prizes besides bragging rights and gentlemen's bets, but beating a Navy Seals CQC instructor was one hell of a confidence booster for a newer shooter. 😂

[@MichaelStamand-o1k]

Well said.

[@xenosayain1506]

I only have the word of my father who served as navh amphibious assault from 88 to 94 since i didn't serve. I've done local competition shooting amateur level. And he has done both some comp and served. I asked him and he noiked it down to where the militaru taught him basic markmanship and extreme focus on tactics during his time and competition shooting taught expert marksmanship.

[@billbee235]

People who avoid competition because it’s just a game are dumb. Competing means you’re working on your skills, stress inoculation, and keeping sharp. Being a soldier is not for everyone, and being in combat doesn’t make you an expert shooter. Likewise being and expert shooter doesn’t mean you’ll be brave in combat. Combat is maybe 10% gun fighting. So many other essential skills. But let me ask an honest question… would anyone want to fight a trained MMA fighter? They don’t fight to the death but have real skills. Don’t be ignorant

[@aqualust5016]

To my novice-minded brain a good first step would be racing a partner on the firing line. Both begin when the shot time is called and you fight to clear targets accurately as possible while standing your ground. The shots ringing out next to you but recognizing it’s not your gun going bang could help somewhat simulate a target returning fire and enhance the necessity of urgency and effective shooting in the moment.

[@coffeeinthemorning5226]

90% of my fellow vets aint gun guys. The dumbest things I ever seen at the range is usually done by a veteran

[@Serahpin]

Comparing competition with combat is like comparing Madden for Playstation to playing in the NFL. You take a professional football player and have them play against some kids at a tourny and that NFL player is going to lose, badly. This doesn't mean he sucks at football.

[@i20rider556]

Terrible Analogy

[@alfredjr2k556]

Watching competition video is fine.

[@2AVET]

Shooting is only a small part of combat but combat doesn’t require high levels of shooting skill. Combat shooting is mostly overwhelming fire superiority using suppressive fire. Competition shooting is purely shooting skill focused and suppressive fire is unacceptable because it’s not meant to emulate combat, it’s meant to emulate civilian self defense where you’re legally responsible for every round fired and battlefield immunity based on intent doesn’t exist.

[@TheFeebleClone]

Interesting. I assume you're American. I learn from you guys every day. Interesting take on the combat/competition contrast. I'm not allowed to own a firearm because the government thinks I'll use it, but I appreciate the knowledge you provide.

[@WOLF3GOIF]

A person having safety awareness and understanding of firearms can do well in any situation. Its pretty self explanatory and the only way to learn how to react is being in bad situations. Not everyone is built to fight. Id say if you have survived situations youre a survivor. I only fear the trained intelligent psychopath meaning to do harm. Situational awareness goes a long way.

[@TheFeebleClone]

The Canadian military rejected me. Huge favor, because I'm not a combat guy. I've run across a fair number of psychopaths. I never can recognize them except after the fact. But those intelligent psychopaths fool a lot of people permanently. It's important not only to recognize the bad guys, but also the people who refuse to face reality.

[@Zap_R0sdower]

Everyone I've seen discount the value of competitive shooting has never demonstrated an ability to shoot competitively.

[@cameronforeman1043]

See this is the kind of stuff us civilians like to hear about because when it comes down to it we really have no idea.

[@BB-yh5rd]

Going to pause at 47 seconds and make a guess. Probably wrong as I often am about many things but it's fun. I think combat is way more than just marksmanship and has a ton to do with fitness, fitting into teams, emotional intelligence, etc. My son in his early 20s isn't a SEAL but works with and trains the SEALs and he is completely not hung up on pistol brand, features, technicalities, etc. He likes Glock because he knows exactly what it does, can take apart and put together in his sleep. He likes the fancier stuff but doesn't get all excited like I do about new stuff coming out at Shot Show. He's inspired me to start doing Tactical Games training, I'll never compete. You hit 50 the wheels start falling off and I'm guaranteed to injure myself but even low level stuff is kicking my ass. I can't shoot nearly as accurately winded and with muscle fatigue as I can when I set up at the range, sometimes not accurately at all, dragging a tire then going into a pistol shot is an entirely different thing.

[@chillcharity7610]

Ive never been in combat or competed in shooting so my opinion isnt worth a lot. However, my intuition tells me that combat isnt just summed up to who is a better shot. Its organizational skills combined with excellent communication while also hitting targets. That and the psychological effects of being in combat also play a huge role. So with that in mind, I think being a competitive shooter would help you in combat but it's not going to make you a one man army. Also, combat is evolving rapidly where gunfights are becoming more of a last line of defense while drones, artillery, and guided munitions are becoming the go-to way of eliminating combatants. Thats just my intuition and knowledge from online sources so I could be wrong.

[@1977Yakko]

I'm guessing the two way rifle range is completely different from competition shooting. Sure, there's a stress level with competition shooting but I don't see how it can be anywhere near the same.

[@concernedpatriot.2221]

Competition shooting is nothing but a “ GAME “ like golf. It’s not even a sport. Should one play the shooting game to get better at a possible war or situation, yes but that’s where it end. That’s the only similarity between a competition shooter or a war fighter or police officer.

[@nickzimonja3382]

My daughter has been in the navy for over a year now, she carries a sidearm during watch. She says that she hardly ever gets to practice shooting. Kinda crazy

[@Mr_Mgun]

never understand why people don't practice reality.

[@SMS2884]

You can't lol. I hate people that say that. It's the same thing with FMA. People say that won't work, you can't demonstrate it in real life. You want to volunteer to be cut and bleed out and die for a demonstration? Makes no sense. Lethal things can't be "practiced.". The fundamentals and movements can be repeated, which is what drills and competitions do. I'll leave you with this. You can train muscle memory, so that when the fear of death happens, you react without thinking. The fear of death can't be implemented in training no matter how hard you train. Because it's just that. Training.

[@curteaton]

I feel that you had something to say, that actually has nothing to do with competition shooting. Take care.

[@arthurnunez5948]

Thanks good vid

[@Rubberweasel]

You don't get a walkthrough of how the enemy are going to react to your tactics. Competition can help someone be more proficient in combat but obviously neither apart is going to make you an expert in the other. I'd like to see a force on force competition league with Simuntitions.

[@traillesstravelled7901]

Listen I walk almost every day, so I'm going to tell you how to win a marathon and how to escape a pack of wild animals.

[@TheFeebleClone]

You've never read Lindt. Light infantry [not line infantry] will walk 50+ km per day. They don't run much. I'll face a pack of wild animals any day before light infantry.

[@bastionblackperformance3804]

This is a really long video to make that still just completely misses the point. No one on earth is better at shooting than competition shooters, full stop. Hard skills matter more than tactics, full stop.

[@timothybennett1239]

great vid.

[@mikesorg6746]

Great words of wisdom. What is the battle belt setup you are running on the table? What’s the belt itself then what is attached to it? Looking for a belt now and trying to get a bunch of options.

[@papimaximus95]

"Looking for a belt now and trying to get a bunch of options." For what? Are you going into a battle soon?

[@mikesorg6746]

@@papimaximus95 specifically always hear them called battle belts or duty belts which is why I called it that but no I want it for a range set up actually.

[@gunfunandstuff9226]

competition targets don't shoot back 😂

[@rasgrouptraining]

I don’t think anyone is saying one is the same as the other. I think the boom of “tactics” instructors who boast a MIL/LE background and then take money from people to teach firearms proficiency is the problem. Just as you said, a career spent with a gun doesn’t make you proficient. In fact, the best firearms training to date is coming out of competition shooting. I completely agree there’s many more components to war and conflict than just the shooting portion. I have not seen anyone argue that. What I have seen argued and think it should be argued is that competition shooting does breed better shooters, which does matter quite a bit in the context of a state side engagement, and there for increases your odds. The issue isn’t people wanting to say one is just like the other, the issue is too many people thinking a job title, issued equipment, and a resume qualifies you to pass on knowledge.

[@mchankerhoff853]

Return fire. Drop to the ground. Observe. Retreat.

[@TheCosmicGuy0111]

One isn’t scary

[@brandonseals6732]

For a minute I though Chael Sonnen start guntubing...

[@rhodycars6058]

Checking in to see what PSA products are being shilled😂

[@Stargazer80able]

Civillians always trailblaze military tactics and doctrine, but improved doctrine and tactics will not suit civillian sport. Same in hand to hand combatives, as a civillian, you always strive for safety for everyone. In military doctrine you strive for safety for you and yours, and total destruction for the other party.

[@joshsteinhouser4947]

If you have a shotgun in combat, you can win because you don’t have to aim. 😛

[@GWOTalchem]

You’re a grand master shooter? Dope dope dope. Can you…. Walk 20 miles Survive winter Purify water Employ tactics Communicate with your team Keep your feet functional Range estimate Land nav ……..

[@i20rider556]

Most of them unlikely. However we are talking about combat shooting , not things taught in SERE. Granted those are very important things. However that isn't the argument. If you and a GM both got dumped off in Tongass 50miles apart in the middle of January . It wouldn't be much of a fight by the time you find him, assuming he is alive. That being said , if you end up in a stand off inside a Walmart with a solid A class shooter , forget master or Grand Master. I still see your survival rate between slim and none🤷‍♂️

[@GWOTalchem]

@ those are basic infantry skills, SERE skills would also include, evasion, counter tracking, hide site creation, scavenging for food, and torture resistance. But ultimately you made my point, shooting is only one of several skills required to be soldier. Shooting is important but it’s far from everything. The less we are in a war environment and the more we are in the air conditioning eating McDonald’s, the more shooting is only thing that matters. ( I would hard argued mindset & tactics still apply but I digress ) However the fact that shooting is only part of the skill tree, shouldn’t slow you down from being the best shooter you can be.

[@danielmacdonald8358]

Good video

[@matthewwells8231]

What happened to Chad? last video I saw him in was a year ago

[@gjmarkjesse1324]

Eric is shomer shabbos now. He doesn’t shoot on shabbos.

[@adamalford5650]

When are we gonna see Chad again? I like the “just Eric” videos but I’d love to see yall doing some of the old style videos.

[@chetyoder6248]

You cant compare "being shot at" with anything else

[@i20rider556]

I agree. So at the end of the day if your shooting competition, or have your kit on hiding behind a car. It's the same thing.

[@eliernievesserrano190]

Okay next time talk about the difference of rifles competition and combat rifles.

[@iamjocanadian]

What a stupid video. No one compares competition shooting to combat. Competition shooting will simply lead to being much better at shooting, wherever that shooting is applied.

[@legendfy9093]

Exactly!!! No one in the competition world compares the two, it's always the guys who can't shoot for crap and are so caught up in tactics and telling themselves that their fundamentals/hard skills are good enough.

[@Pepe46873]

I’ve never heard a competition shooter talk about it either. You would probably get made fun of if you told guys at a PRS match you were their for ‘Sniper practice’

[@i20rider556]

​@@Pepe46873 I shot a prs match in phx years ago and they had several seal snipers come over from San diego. It wasn't even a hard match. Almost no barricade work. They finished in the bottom 10 out of probably 50 shooters. I ended up top 15 and I wasn't really even that good at the time

[@iamjocanadian]

@i20rider556 That's pretty standard and why active duty mil and leo go to competition shooters to get better at actually shooting.

[@kevinclause4p55p5]

Are competition weapons going to be effective for civilian applications, like home defense?

[@willshaneswearingen]

Some of the fundamentals are the same otherwise there is no none,nada comparison. Funny most think competition is pistols and timers. Everyone leaves out distance shooting in competition.