Invincible Season 1: Could the Guardians of the Globe Have Beaten Omni Man?

[@Blargleflakes]

It was pretty much over when red rush forgot he was a support class and decided to give tanking a shot. You had one job red rush smh

[@virokyu]

Exactly, RR shoulda been solely focused on defense, it's like he said in the video, Immortal and WW the heavy hitters, RR Support, Aquaris and Dark Wing being ranged attacks, Martian Man incapacitating Omni, and Green Ghost confusing and disorienting him.

[@drakeb5571]

DPS Moira

[@jfoster8624]

@@drakeb5571 even worse DPS Ana.

[@drakeb5571]

@@jfoster8624 rein rush

[@jfoster8624]

@@drakeb5571 at least he could actually do some damage by himself unlike Ana or moria.

[@AnDrei-nf5jb]

They could if they weren't so shocked about Omni-man since they were so shocked that they literally forgot to how to fight. Especially green ghost.

[@ericthemadscientist8357]

ikr Omni-Man couldn't even hit her if she wasn't so shock

[@1Individualist]

Catch anyone by surprise and you have a chance. Catch them on guard and well you in trouble. Surprise can guarantee 1 second - 30 mins opening depending on the shock level. If its a jump scare it can be 1-5 second window opening If its traumatic shock like killing someone so quickly and close 5 - 30 mins because even if its traumatic some will shake off the stun kill you and then go back into their trauma. Now the trauma can be years but the shock and reflexes will not be stunted the same. Example if your mom or dad ever died god forbid the news i nthe hospital you will shock into a unrecovered state for possibly 5- 30 mins it means someone can come push u hold u at gun point and all but the next day even though u still sad someone might get punched for saying something bad about your dead family member. Basically Green Ghost was done the moment 2 members died im sure she aint have time to rationalize the horror or make sense of it so she left open especially when he threw the dead body at her. I mean everyone recovery time different so you must always act fast when this shock is set in. (everyone can be her here if their loved one is tossed like a ragdoll at them) I mean if i was a kryptonian and he did that to my friends out of nowhere i would be trying to figure out wtf is going on rationaizling how we go from 0 - 100 processing things and it might be for the 1st 3-5 mins but after that a great rage would embed in me if im still able to put up a fight by then. After the fight trauma would set in. Omni Man - Is quite strategic in his fights more then ppl think and he basically even force you to drop your guard emotionally.

[@invi.sk98]

@@1Individualist 5Head Ah yes

[@nocknmae]

Actually, it was because he threw darkwing's body at her to trick her into phasing back to catch it, very smart on his end

[@AnDrei-nf5jb]

@@nocknmae She still had a 1-2 second window to phase again tho. Also just think about actually how impractical it was for Green Ghost to catch Dark Wings already smashed up body like as he was even still alive or that catching him would make a difference.

[@MissusAnon]

Green Ghost's kill... He knew that EVERY team member had each other's back (which we saw earlier in the episode beautifully) and he used Darkwing's body to make her solid, knowing she would catch him on instinct, so he could kill her. That was such a brutal tactical move and it was the thing that made me even more terrified of him: his obvious intelligence and analytical abilities.

[@RralRonaldo]

I'd say its more battle IQ than straight analysis and IQ

[@emdocc]

It was also brutal because she realized she fucked up right before it happened

[@runek100]

​@@RralRonaldobruh, being of super advanced race and very old. He would probably has very high iq no?

[@shumishu6019]

@@emdocc “oh no”

[@JakeIsTiredd]

@@runek100 IQ remains the same with age. You can decrease it, very hard to increase unless it's very intentional and even then it is limited.

[@wraithTAS]

Red Rush is definitely faster than Omniman. It’s the only physical attribute the Guardians have over him. Once Red Rush was killed and green ghost slaughtered, they were done. Red Rush can keep his team from being hit and green ghost has some really good abilities to keep Omniman grounded and/or disoriented. They were also fighting nice from the beginning. But Nolan figured that and it played a part in his defeat of them.

[@JennySparkz]

Is he though? If that were actually the case he wouldn't have been able to lay a hand on red rush in either the show or in the comic.

[@oliverp3545]

​@@JennySparkzConnor Mcgreger could beat the shit out of Usain Bolt, but he has to catch him first, Omniman just managed to catch RR.

[@genericname5909]

@@JennySparkzOmni man was guessing and looking for red rushes pattern in trying to hit him. So he could guess where he’d hit next

[@jhadenchambette2585]

@@genericname5909 that should never work without shit writing immortal and red rush alone can defeat omni man

[@jacobgonzalez2002]

@@jhadenchambette2585You are blaming it on bad writing because you can’t accept the fact Omni Man defeated Red Rush 😂 just accept it Dude Omni Man’s experience and battle iq won it at the end of the day

[@johndunn1625]

The moment they lost was when red rush got himself caught. Speedsters are a terrifying force multiplier, but it doesn't matter when you're nabbed by superman

[@megatennepster3833]

Yeah, what people forget about speedsters is that, due to newtons third law as well as what one needs to do to get that fast, speedsters are near universally fragile

[@nuredingeziqi679]

When he was caught, there was one thing he could have done, but that he didn't do in panic: _He should have gone for the head_ Or even better, his eyes. Even if he didn't go for the eyes and simply bashed his hands in Omni-man's head, that would have given a great chance to the team, as unorganised as they were. Simply the swelling of his eyes would have probably doomed him

[@fenrirunshackled4319]

@@megatennepster3833 Speedsters would actually have to be universally tanky because of newton's first, second, and third laws. It takes a massive amount of force to accelerate an object at rest to that kind of speed, and all of the force they push with gets transmitted right back into their body. The g forces alone would rip a normal human apart. Speedsters by default must have super durable bones and skin, and to accelerate that fast in the first place they must have super strength. TL;DR: Speedsters are actually terrifying

[@megatennepster3833]

@@fenrirunshackled4319 there is also the other aspect to newton's third law, specifically anything that hits a speedster head on causes immeasurable damage. Also a result of newton's third law. Though of course, this only matters when a speedster actually... you know, speeds. And again, you hit them head on.

[@MasterofInterspace]

Actually, yeah. The minute people started dying was after him. We see throughout the fight that Rush is helping his friends. You catch glimpses of him saving the Wonder Woman clone (forgive me) and obviously he saves the Immortal at the start of the fight. Immortal obviously being the one guy who has the best chance at taking him down. Rush was the lynchpin, but I think he didn't have enough in him to actually take down Omniman. He needed to be playing defensively, ensuring everyone survives so they can keep getting hits in instead of trying for jabs himself. I think it was really good character, though. Rush was depicted as impatient, so he tried to take on multiple roles when he desperately needed to focus on helping the others. If he had to take shots, focusing on his back would have been better to ensure he didn't get himself caught.

[@redrocket8062]

Omni-man ran this battle through his head everyday for years. He was way more prepared for this event than the others.

[@omgdin]

But still get his ass kicked? ( i mean he killed all of them but he still got beat up even though he was prepared for years)​

[@Gabby-D-Wood]

@@omgdin Alibi to bide time. Nobody would believe that it wasn't him if he didn't get hurt. Nobody important believed him anyway, but by making himself look like he was attacked too, he put enough doubt into Cecil and his family to give him time.

[@50thdollar61]

Maybe not because is in the comics he destroyed them without getting hurt

[@omgdin]

@@50thdollar61 cuz he killed them instantly

[@50thdollar61]

@@omgdin ye

[@cirious1703]

This fight is an example of why Batman is right to have a counter to everyone on the League on hand.

[@filipemoreira374]

Batman even has a way to counter himself if he becomes villain. 😂👏

[@animator4287]

God if I tell you how many times I have heard this regarding Omni man or even homelander, it will take longer than red rush watching justice league: Snyder cut.

[@beastobrown]

@@filipemoreira374 eeeseeezsse

[@hussalojr5916]

Injustice is a good reason to

[@magosexploratoradeon6409]

@@animator4287 Annoying yeah, but it makes sense.

[@reaganabroad4952]

One element not mentioned much is the mental side. The guardians were shocked. By the time they understood the stakes, it was over. Such a great moment in the show. I loved the full comic series.

[@therealnambro]

Being capable of being shocked is a mistake. Real life bodyguards are imperturbable. We don't get shocked. "super" heroes getting shocked 😆

[@Aspurgers]

Yeah if they went for the kill before Red Rush died Omni man would have been in trouble. They needed to leave the hand to hand combat to Immortal and War woman while the other members of the team either played defense or kept him off balance

[@ethribin4188]

Yeah. By the time they "got serious" part of the team was gone. As the full team, they could beat Omni man. Id even say they were more likely to win than Omni. But their winning chances went down with every member they lost. And once the shock was gone, they've lost to many members to have a winning chance in a straight up brawl. They would have needed Barry or Batman level on the spot thinking to win. Or survive, for that matter.

[@insertnamehere9835]

They are veteran hero's (except green ghost) In the scene where the doctors check their corpses , one of theme said that he used to worship dark wing whene he was a kid witch if we suppose is at 14 years the time it would take someone to go form 14 to graduating medical school , we can estimate that dark wing has 10 years experience at the LEAST , so there's no way he or the immortal who 2000 years old would be caut ot gaurd that bad

[@Canadian_Zac]

Exactly Dude spent over a decade fighting alongside them . You'd be thinking of *anything* except that he's suddenly betraying you for no reason. Maybe its some weird training. or someone's controlling him. or you're hallucinating. And Omni-Man knew them well. He went right in for a Sneak kill on their biggest hitter, and Red Rush *barely* was able to block it. They definitely made a lot of errors. Red Rush going on offense and Dark Wing going melee being the main ones But Red Rush clearly underestimated how fast Omni-Man is, thinking he could get a few cheeky hits in He takes out a villain casually in the middle of a date, tying the guy to a pillar before he even knew what was happening. Red Rush is FAST, and that scene is heavilly slowed down. He's able to Run in and get several punches, before he's grabbed, and his head crushed. All before anyone else can get up to Omni Man to stop him. That whole scene, lasted. Maybe a second Dark Wing going melee, is the biggest dumb move. He's got no powers, and has seen that Omni Man is fully going for the kill.

[@matthewglover6983]

You’d think someone as prepared as Cecil would give the guardians a “the single most powerful hero is evil and is attacking us” button

[@DrGreen-oo3ei]

YES !!! Or at least a strongest man in the world has lost his shit activate the strategy we made to capture / kill him if necessary

[@Blaze42020]

@@alexandergreene461 or ya know watch the show and know they were disabled

[@notinthemoodfornames8033]

@@Blaze42020 when? how? really don't think it was mentioned anywhere

[@Blaze42020]

@@alexandergreene461 nigga they are the most elite superhero team on the planet why would they have security 💀💀

[@Blaze42020]

@@notinthemoodfornames8033 literally 5 seconds after Cecil teleports into the crime scene Donald says someone cut the power and killed the cameras.

[@bskilla4892]

Idk how many people read the comics, but green ghost had only had their powers for one month. The character was a complete noob and that's why she fell for Omnimans body trick.

[@fishinmountaindew543]

It's just a trick bro

[@aaronc4899]

I wondered about that. She seemed to be the only one who could have escaped because of her intangibility.

[@Zorua3]

@@aaronc4899 Forget escaped, she could have taken down Omni Man on her own, either non-lethally by keeping him intangible until a bunch of reinforcements show up or lethally by just diving into the center of the earth and letting go of him.

[@tristanabarca6249]

@@Zorua3 you also could've hindered him at least momentarily so that the rest of them could do some serious damage to incapacitate him, that way they could still question him later on and would still be able to formulate new plans to take him out if need be

[@mitchryan257]

That is potentially a good reason that she went down so easily, but how did she even make the team if she was a noob?

[@nateds7326]

The great thing about the Omniman fight is, even though you get the feeling the Guardians could've won, you completely buy why they didn't.

[@superbobcat8997]

Absolutely

[@lexzetusko]

Yea I really like that they made this fight balanced because Noland just annihilated them in the comic

[@codafett]

No I don't

[@elfascisto6549]

No i didn't

[@levikay1745]

@@lexzetusko It wsn't even a fight in the comics. At least at the end of the fight in the show he's obviously taken some hits.

[@Logan-dk8of]

the fact that omniman went for the immortal first since he's physically the strongest, is proof that he knew they had a chance to beat him. if he just wanted a good alibi he would have went for a surprise attack on red rush first, eliminating their best chance of escape and making sure the real story doesn't get out

[@p.c.2349]

The Guardians definitely could’ve beat him if they were prepared/coordinated, which is why Omni-Man made sure to ambush and kill them first.

[@zzirfamo24]

Dude did you see what omni man did when he got mad at immoral💀 he punched thru him and then sliced him in half. Immortal’s durability is no where near Nolan’s. Viltrumites get stronger the more they get beat

[@Hurricanelive]

OM said he was going to go in 100% hard because if he thought about it for a second that they were his friends he might not have been able to accomplish it. This shows how much earth protoculture had infected his mind alongside his wife and son. They would have stompled him if they worked together and didn't began to do PIS things. I honestly think he at least gave them a shot at a fair enough fight, they just didn't take it seriously.

[@amirhb7531]

He knew that rush would see it coming so he went for the next best thing immortal

[@williamfalls]

He went from immortal first for a number of reasons: his powers are the most on par with Omni-Man so when the fight is on he's gonna be able to match with Omni-Man, he's basically the leader and most experienced of the group, and because he's the most durable so he may have to spend more time killing him than the rest. The reason he waited on Rush is because he knew that if he was directly going for Rush then Rush would stay defensive and so he had to bait Rush in close enough to grab him... Which it worked out well for Omni-Man as he predicted Rush follow up attacks on got him. Then the Domino effect happens where he knows he could bait a few more kills which quickly narrowed it down to more manageable numbers.

[@Kageki-mm9mg]

The perfect strat: War Woman and Immortal: Attack Fish dude: Long range support Red Rush: Keep saving everyone Stretchy dude: Lock Omni-Man and put your brain away from his hand Green Ghost: Go report to someone Dark Wing: Moral support

[@soopyyt9774]

Ah yes, moral support for Dark Wing.

[@ophhate]

@@soopyyt9774 the only thing he was good for apparently

[@dominick1750]

Nah Dark Wing should’ve just tweeted Cecil and told him what’s happening

[@Kageki-mm9mg]

@@dominick1750 sounds about right

[@risingdarkness]

Green Ghost could just hold hands with everyone on the team and bam OmniMan can't even touch them anymore. What is he supposed to do ?

[@TheRealVyke]

Short answer: Yes, they could but only if dark wing went into his duck form

[@robieosborne7369]

Underappreciated joke right here

[@RtistiqSkubie]

Edited and *STILL* makes a mistake...

[@kenobigaming5755]

😂

[@kenobigaming5755]

“Let’s get dangerous”

[@bobeh8500]

@@RtistiqSkubie silence

[@ToxicTerrance]

The thought they put into that fight is mind-blowing. I loved how Omniman threw Darkwing's corpse at the Green Ghost because he knew she wouldn't phase and she'd catch someone she cares about in order to take her out fast. That's some good subtlety.

[@thatonedudea]

I loved when Omniman was punching the "wonder woman" and you see a little streak of red rush deflecting his punches. The details were wild

[@jakenake3401]

This show was amazing, a head above any live action marvel, dc or sony will ever produce, discussing Guardians of the globe wining is same to discuss when you had a chance to say or do something in life and think about it when it's already done, it's hard to think on a go so show was perfect even in that sense

[@cookiecraze1310]

The fish guy thought the same. Emphasis on thought.

[@knuxuki1013]

They were actually a couple to

[@notveryintelligent6239]

Ghost should’ve just ran outta there because there is literally nothing she could’ve done to stop Omni Man

[@kulgydudemanyo]

I think part of what makes the show so interesting is the fact that it was a close fight. It really does feel like omniman *needed* to ambush them to have a fighting chance. And who was the most useful early on? The one who can think fastest: Red Rush. It shows how much they considered when writing this show. This is why the next season is taking so long. Because they want to do it right. Personally, I can't wait.

[@Dabrownman1812]

Omniman let himself get beat. If he wasnt hurt, then he'd be even more suspect.

[@andrewcook1246]

The tactics displayed here are not befitting people who have seen so much life and death.

[@balticbvll2987]

@@Dabrownman1812 yea no

[@zzirfamo24]

Dude omni man didn’t have to ambush them. He can take them all if he wanted!!!

[@FormulePoeme807]

​@@Dabrownman1812That's dumb, specially since he didn't need to fake being friend anymore, or else why would he have killed them

[@Cerri22PG]

I facepalmed when Dark Wing tried to kick omni-man, like, even if you managed to get the kick, he´s able to lift tanks, What did you expected?

[@thatoneguy779]

Yeah black batman was lame af I laughed at that part or the part where the green chick didn't phase their his heart

[@mypowerlevelisover9000]

It was a suicide he was always suicidal if you think about it

[@shahanahsan05]

@@thatoneguy779 yah okay if u don’t wanna kill him phase out his eyes or his legs

[@ma-tanica]

It's just reflexes I suppose

[@River-pg1uk]

@@thatoneguy779 cecil and robot are more like batman than darkwing is.

[@sibsart2039]

I still don’t know why Dark Wing tried attacking Omni-Man physically. Like, your sorta out of your league man.

[@marcusmcneal7453]

That was the dumbest move right there. What was he gonna do? Tickle him?

[@CallmeKeyiii]

@@marcusmcneal7453 He thought he was Batman

[@Ledecral]

He probably had a device to use. He might have even known about a weakness shown later in the comics. Not a kryptonite level weakness, but something that can throw Viltrumites off-balance.

[@sibsart2039]

@@marcusmcneal7453 worst part was, they clearly demonstrated there power difference to his face. When he was getting crushed by the tank and Omni Man just lifts it off no issue. REMEMBER THAT BUDDY?

[@liltone9614]

Plot

[@Phantom-Agent-X]

i if Red Rush stayed as support instead of running in like an idiot, if Darkwing called for help instead of approching, and if Green Ghost didn't get distracted, yes

[@haku8135]

If they did all those things, they still die. Omni Man is CLEARLY holding way back. I don't care what this guy thinks he knows, Omni Man is WAY stronger than all of them. He literally see Mark punch him HARD and he doesn't even flinch. He just takes it. You think some intentionally non-lethal explosive baterangs can make him FLINCH? Dude's playing them, letting them beat on him and making them think there's a chance to keep them there. If any of them had done something bothersome like try running away, he'd ignore everyone else and just murder them. He literally could've just grabbed a meteor and turned their entire base into a crater if he wanted. He had a specific plan and he knows what he can take. Viltrimites don't use this strategy to conquer planets because they're worried about being killed, they do it because they believe it's the best method overall. They aren't trying to genocide every race, they want to absorb them and "perfect" them. One agent going and "prepping" the planet just maximizes the numbers they get to add. It's MUCH easier to conquer a people if you avoid just openly waging war. Them throwing wave after wave of volunteer corpses is much less likely if ONE fucker just destroys all their best people and makes it clear "you cannot do shit, just surrender and do what we say"

[@holybanana8182]

@@haku8135 spoiler: They literally easily beat him in the comics though? Like Aquarius and Nightwing wasnt even there and Green Ghost was late.

[@Phantom-Agent-X]

@@haku8135 did you watch the video tho?

[@thetincanman2363]

@@haku8135 I mean did you see how damaged he was in the fight

[@haku8135]

@@thetincanman2363 did you see how damaged he was in his fight against a bigass bomb, several cyborg soldiers that gave Mark a pretty rough time, Cthulhu AND a severely pissed off Immortal AND Mark? Barely at all. I'm just not convinced they could beat him if he was serious. Immortal pressed his THUMBS into his eyes with what I must assume was his full strength and ALL he did was make them red, he didn't even seem inconvenienced by it. Can they HURT him? Sure. Can they KILL him? Not unless he lets them. We literally watch him turn people to paste with zero effort, how long did he spend squishing Rush's head? He's playing them to keep them focused on attacking HIM while he dismantles them and gives himself a perfect alibi. WHICH LET US REMEMBER! WORKED PERFECTLY

[@builttoscalevideos]

Honestly, I think Green Ghost’s best option likely would have been either to restrain Omniman through the methods mentioned in this video. Or to just straight up abandon the fight all together and get the word out that Omniman had gone rogue. Unfortunately there’s really only so much you can do when your survival instincts choose freeze in a situation like that. I think Green Ghost only realised the severity of the situation when it was already too late for her.

[@williamraleigh7546]

Green Ghost alerting Cecil makes sense, but then what? At this point, the Kaiju hadn't been defeated so the only thing that would keep Omni-Man from going berserk like he did at the end of the season would be the laser and a very inexperienced Mark. There would be almost nothing stopping Omni-Man from just taking over the world.

[@builttoscalevideos]

@@williamraleigh7546 notifying Cecil at best would only give them a better chance to prepare a counter attack or to warn others that are close to him that Omniman had gone rogue. Knowing that Omniman had gone rogue would be pretty vital information to have, as you could then immediately see through any bullshit that he’d try pulling. But you’re right, it’s moreso just barely tipping the scales in terms of how outmatched they are.

[@NomadicWanderer11]

That is true. Another option would have been to remain in their “transparent form.” I wouldn’t matter how fast or how are hard Omniman could hit her because none of his attacks would land. When Omni man is preoccupied (or even restrained) she can just pull out a vital organ.

[@you741sings]

I think green ghost freezing is just unrealistic. These are heroes who face death every day and you’re telling me some guy threatening your lives makes you stand still and do nothing

[@builttoscalevideos]

@@you741sings well a couple things to note there, Green Ghost is a legacy character like Green Lantern, at that point in the series she was still relatively new to the Green Ghost abilities and the Guardians, you’d also have the shock of someone you knew as an ally suddenly betraying you without warning, and then also having your closest friends be brutally murdered in front of you. No amount of experience could prepare someone for that.

[@MacDarf]

Every damn analysis of this fight always forget Green Ghost exists. Thanks for acknowledging her.

[@danmcvehil2452]

Green Ghost forgot she existed...

[@panduvandal]

No one remembers her cause her ability is really not that helpful or memorable IMO

[@MacDarf]

@@panduvandal she could theoretically could be the best defense from omni-man in this fight. They all hold hands, she goes intangible, and Omni-man can't even touch them. But despite this single character having the BEST chance of defending everyone, everyone analyzing the fight don't mention her op powers at all or even her. Her being memorable isn't an issue. It's everyone being too stupid to remember all the members in the fight they chose to do analysis for.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

@@panduvandal SPOILERS: In the comics (after some time travel) Green Ghost is able to briefly incapacitate Omni-Man by passing through him, causing him to vomit. This allows War Woman to knock him out with her mace.

[@panduvandal]

@@PlanetZoidstar thank you for some of the future explanation

[@Agent-57]

If Martian placed his heart at omnimans back.

[@VMP-mq6uh]

Exactly

[@justov3049]

Thats smart because buff dudes literally cant reach their back

[@captaindeadpool7174]

@@justov3049 Moreover Omniman was tied up so no way to reach the back anyway

[@xxxuzi43]

this was the 2nd biggest flaw

[@PepperonibeatsZombie]

Well Omniman still could have just slammed his back into the ground so Martian Man’s heart had to keep on moving

[@RaynmanPlays]

It was established by Cecil in the 7th episode that Omni-man had been hiding his power level. Cecil knew that most of his stuff wouldn't actually stop him, but he was surprised by how little it actually did. And Cecil had been planning for eventualities just like that.

[@kitchensarehot8769]

He still fell into a coma after the end of this fight

[@RaynmanPlays]

@@kitchensarehot8769 Yes, but the point was that the argument that they had "a pretty good idea" of how powerful he was is flawed. His perception, for example. You can make a strong case for Red Rush not knowing that Omni-Man would be able to catch his fist.

[@randomdude1489]

@@kitchensarehot8769 cos he took basically every hit that they threw, Not just that but prolly didnt even utilize his smart atoms to enhance his durability. Just tanked every attack without bracing.

[@jlogan2228]

​@@kitchensarehot8769 he probably allowed himself to be injured knowing he'd survive it just so he could sell the lie

[@Mlotshaw1]

He wasn't hiding it very well considering he was taking out meteorites the size of Texas

[@haroldinio8327]

I think you're forgetting one thing that's a repeated theme in the show, and that's how Omni-man lacks the sympathy that other heros have. The reason why he bested the guardians is that they are more emotionally distraught by the death of their colleagues then the actual fight at hand

[@christopherfolekene8898]

The shock of watching a friend killing a friend would immobilize most people superpowers or not.

[@ohitsrusher842]

None were dead at the beginning of the fight, and these are superheroes.

[@sownheard]

@@ohitsrusher842 so if your a super hero you won't care after a dude gets his head blown off

[@angeltier987]

@@sownheard yeah they have literally dealt with hundreds of exploded people in all manners of ways by this point. They have dealt with crushed civilians, melted people, decapitations, you name it but I do understand that watching it happen to a friend would be hard all the same.

[@hahahakim]

@@ohitsrusher842 yes and at that point they were still holding back

[@NarutoUzumaki-jg4pw]

If my best friend even pinched me too hard we would have to box so idk how realistic that is

[@1mtoxicyt708]

Nah omni man just secretly fed them all popeyes biscuits cause that fight was a choke and a half my guy.

[@beastedninja3757]

Underrated

[@SuperMurray2009]

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[@gabrielink1709]

I agree with the guy who made the video, but this comment is very funny

[@tomassedlacek5556]

Honestly, Red Rush really messed up. Seriously, every movie with a speedster is like that. X-Men: Apocalypse, Death of Superman, JLA vs The Teen Titans. Whenever speedster engage in hand to hand combat, they get hurt and the fight is lost.

[@josephnapolitano5864]

In the comics the surprise attack works. And guess who he kills with that opening: RR. The show wanted to make the fight more dramatic and longer than 20 seconds. So they let him fight and save some people then killed him off. It makes RR look like an idiot but they did it for entertainment purposes.

[@navonmyhand7999]

Speedsters should just pick up random objects and start chucking them at villains hundreds of times faster than the speed of sound more often.

[@mattmail527]

@@navonmyhand7999 Ong why don’t we see more speedsters with swords or blades 💀

[@TheArklyte]

@@mattmail527 PG-13 ratings for most shows. And Invincible while not having that problem, is held down by Red Rush being a homage to Flash, who's one of the kindest heroes.

[@pedroviniciusdeabreu6012]

The flash is not a good example. He can run in the light speed and can give a punch strong enough to defeat superman ( it happened)

[@Dot_1]

darkwing is so underrated bruh, he literally can walk, run, and punch

[@aveeeeen]

ikr he can even swim too

[@thatguy5391]

​@@aveeeeenno.... He can fly tho

[@LukasQueen]

@@aveeeeen he's black so probably not 💀

[@AffectionateLocomotive]

Fr he aslo had sa sibpik.

[@ArcaneEther]

You're forgetting two important factors here: 1. During his entire career working with the Guardians, Omniman intentionally downplayed his own powers. He never let the Guardians know exactly how strong or fast he really was. 2. Omniman has the "Batman Defense"; he has spent so long working with each of these people, he has had time to work out their fighting styles and potential weaknesses, giving him a huge knowledge advantage. This is why he went for Immortal and Red Rush first - they were the biggest threats.

[@dv1nep788]

This is true ^ If Ominiman can wipe an entire race of advance aliens by himself, the chances of the Guardians of defeating him is next to none. He just played it weak so he has an alibi and can still bang his wife while waiting for his entire calvary to arrive, definitely need some entertainment before going full masacre when the Omni gang arrives on Earth lol.

[@aszapata10]

@@dv1nep788 Do you want spoilers, because your first sentence isn't totally accurate.

[@反叛之翼]

@@dv1nep788 Spoiler, the guardians did win Nolan in an alternative timeline when Invincible warned them

[@Somethingwithoutatrace]

You’re mistaken, in the fight Mark has with Nolan, he says he saw Nolan “defend the planet, almost die for it”, if he died his mission is over, which means he has an interest in staying alive, which strongly implies he wouldn’t be holding back.

[@jamesjohnXII]

​@反叛之翼 didn't he just not fight them

[@IONATVS]

Bottom line: If Omni-Man didn’t consider them a real, credible threat to him or his objectives, he wouldn’t’ve needed to bother with psyching them out and getting the drop on them. But knowing they WERE a credible threat to him, he knew his best chance was to kill a few important lynchpins of their team before they had time to process what was happening, get over the shock of his betrayal, decide they needed to actually take him down, and formulate an effective strategy (or, given their professionalism elsewhere, pick an existing one). He seemed confident he would win, but he knew them well and had been planning this probably since the moment they met, so wasn’t stupid enough to leave them an opening to do their job & overcome impossible odds.

[@naunau311]

Also, the fact that he gets them all in one place is so they don't know that somebody is coming after them and aren't prepared. It might seem like it would make things harder for them, but unless he took down immortal, war woman AND red rush before the other learn about it, he's absolutely fucked because there is no way they're not staying together on high alert after that. And it's really unlikely that he could even come close to killing red rush if he was alone seeing as he could just run away and warn the others.

[@carso1500]

Yeah, people somehow seem to think that the guardians are weak and couldnt do anything to him but there is a reason why he decided to kill them, they are the biggest threat on the planet to him and they proved that when despite taking them down he suffered great injuries that he only recovered soo quickly from thanks to his viltrumite physiology, i bet the guardians could have been able to take down any viltrumite short of thragg if they were prepared and had the right tools

[@if7723]

@@naunau311 Gotta wonder why he started with Immortal though. While he seems to be the biggest powerhouse just snapping Red Rushs neck at the start would have made his day much easier.

[@naunau311]

@@if7723 I think it's related to him thinking Immortal is as big of a threat as himself and I think he's right. While Red Rush ended up doing the most damage, that's because his ability is the one that needed the least training to deal decent damage. On the other hand while Immortal is probably on par with Omni-Man on a lot of things, he never had anyone that was on par with him and so that means no reason to train in combat which ended up making the difference

[@518goeshard420]

Solid breakdown

[@erickruckenberg8716]

The only ones to really hurt Nolan were Warrior Woman and Immortal and that was AFTER Red Rush gave him that rapid fire pummeling to the chest. Nolan was literally coughing up blood as he was killing him, but the moment Red Rush died it was over.

[@dragosanders4234]

Literally the way it should have went is red rush just staying on defense by helping them avoid kill shots from omniman.While the others fight moment their major support tried to go on the offense that's what got them killed

[@connorgrynol9021]

@@dragosanders4234 yeah, red rush was definitely better off keeping everyone alive than trying to hurt Omniman. This scene always bothered me because I felt they could have easily won the fight. I don’t even know why red rush went on the offensive, there were better hitters in the room and even if he was confident in his speed, I wouldn’t have tested my chances with the most powerful guy in the room.

[@dragosanders4234]

@@connorgrynol9021 Him doing that is like the equivalent of a healer trying to dps when they can't he should have just kept helping the others stay alive by helping them avoid kill shots .The others could have kept fighting if anything the heavy hitters was war woman and immortal . The fish guy I forgot his name and darkwing should have did ranged attacks .And green ghost should have phased to try to attack Nolan maybe taking his heart if she could

[@Solomoncaesar]

So another potentially good strategy could be to have Green ghost Phase though him as a distraction, then war woman Immortal grab both of his arms. Dark wing, and Aquarius keep him stunned, The Martian can restrain his legs or act as some sort of rope to keep him from flying. While Red rush pummels him with speed punches until he’s dead. Or in some sort of Coma from trauma. If he’s being restrained Aquarius it’s probably enough to keep him distracted so they should have Green Ghosh phase Darkwing out. He he can get back-up or tell Cecil. Green Ghost could probably do this herself. But, having powers she’s more useful as backup against Omni-man. Anyway with his head not in the process of being crushed Red rush could probably incapacitate him way more effectively and quickly!!! There you have it, another way the Global heroes win!!!

[@mikewhocheeseharry5292]

@@connorgrynol9021 Yeah I think if they knew they were to fight Omiman, they would plan a strategy that could take him out.

[@Gaelek13]

The answer to the question is obvious due to the fact that Omni-Man specifically took the Guardians by surprise and _still_ ended up beaten to a bloody pulp and in a critical condition. Yes, they could have. Even taken by surprise they almost managed a pyrrhic victory.

[@TheJadeFist]

Green Ghost, and basically all phasing powered characters in fiction, could just kill most super powered beings with a simple tennis racket, just insert into their bodies, that'll probablly cause problems. The Green Ghost simply lowered their guard in shock of what was happening there, and that was a bad call.

[@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547]

Yeh that's because in both iterations they are very new and inexperienced heroes, but just power wise maybe the most powerful guardian.

[@kingol4801]

She would not have much impact on Omni Man, except making him squirm, if she tried that. And she did try that in comics. She made him lose balance and vomit, but nothing more than that.

[@thelastmlg2699]

@@kingol4801 robot killed a viltrumite, i think it was an alternate mark, by dropping a device into their throat, while commenting on his intention being attacking them inside. Green ghost there wasn't even attacking for the kill, she had to do something quick to save war woman, she didn't attack his brain or anything

[@Mr.BednaR]

I guess her not being the sharpest cookie or one that has most mental resilience was her weakness and Nolan exploited it perfectly.

[@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547]

@@Mr.BednaR i mean i wouldn't say that. She's just inexperienced. But you are right, Nolan knew he needed to take her out before she could actually use her powers, which is why we see him go for her the instant she's distracted.

[@wesleygriffiths8748]

I'd say yes, since there's a whole plot arc in the comics where Mark visited a timeline where they did beat Nolan in this fight. Plus, if Nolan didn't believe they could, he wouldn't have ambushed them the way he did in hope of a quick victory

[@elianotari5132]

They didn't kill him, only incapacitated him

[@jamespamson451]

Here’s an idea. Stfu about spoilers maybe

[@ForeverLaxx]

@@jamespamson451 Don't read comments about a show that's based on a decade-old comic you refuse to read if you don't want spoilers.

[@Sloimer]

@@jamespamson451 stop crying crybaby

[@himekosaesarchive4077]

yeup and then mark said "nah, i want a kid so I'm going back" and ruined it. the only reason he didn't fix the timeline was because he wanted a kid. like, you can make those anydays

[@lapisspiderman]

No one realizes the intensity of the red rush head crush scene, literally he had just stated to his girlfriend that a small conversation is like HOURS to him, lets say a small conversation is like greeting someone hello, takes 5 seconds, we also know that when you are in pain time seems longer, like burning your finger or holding a plank, so we can conclude that red rush was experiencing that pain for what seemed like at least 5 hours(1 hour in painless perception of time), this is evident by the increasingly desperate measures he took, increasing punch speed to the point it broke his hands, which means the pain was so severe that broken hands didnt even compare, its like slowly crushing someones head over the course of an hour

[@alop9535]

just like an anus

[@dandynoble2875]

@Char Mate But we can see how fast he's punching relative to how fast omniman is moving. So it wasn't super quick.

[@adamkaris]

@Char Mate It was a *percieved* hour. Not an actual hour. If it takes 3 seconds to crush the head, and in that time Red Rush could have read a small novel. Then that's the comparison type of thing that's being talked about. Like having your head crushed while you mow the yard. It definitely wasn't quick for him

[@Y0G0FU]

The Red Rush scene is actually slowed down alot. We see his Punches being fast because he used his Super Speed. It barely took a second to Pop his head. But for Red Rush it felt like eternity as it always does if you feel intense Pain. There is no way the other Heroes would just watch while Omniman Pops his head and do nothing. They approached the 2 but where far too slow.

[@wlgyl493]

the thing i dont get is shouldnt his perception of time only be affected while using his speed? like when hes normal he shouldnt still feel like conversations are dragging on for hours

[@devinmiller9765]

I always thought that omniman wanted to get messed up by the guardians as an alibi, making it more believable that they were attacked along with him. It made sense to me that he was holding back for not just keeping the fight localized to the HQ but also so that he maintained his cover.

[@tropicturtle9021]

Even if he was holding back, it doesn’t mean the guardians couldn’t beat him. We know for a fact Red flash is faster than Nolan. The fight proves it because Nolan had to bait flash into a trap to catch him. If Nolan was faster than red flash, he wouldn’t have had to do that, even if he was trying to get beat up. We also know for a fact that the immortal and war woman are strong enough to hurt him. He clearly is feeling the injuries he takes in the fight. The immortal genuinely fights Nolan for a bit in a scenario where Nolan has no reason to hold back, and in the comics, during a time travel arc war woman straight up manages to knock Nolan out. Again, in a scenario he’s clearly not holding back. Nolan also had no answer for green ghosts power if she had used it properly. All these factors combined mean, holding back or not, Nolan losing was a very real possibility.

[@devinmiller9765]

@@tropicturtle9021 never said he wasn't able to get beaten by them by as evidence of Nolan destroying the flaxans and going fast enough through buildings to cause a thermonuclear explosion more then a few times it would also be my guess that Nolan was again still holding back and the fact that he catches red rushes punch with ease after letting him land a few. We know that both war woman and immortal could hurt Nolan even the second fight with the immortal we see him hurt Nolan why trying to gouge out his eyes but it doesn't do any real or lasting damage and that fight seems to have been even shorter their first time around that's with Nolan also being distracted by the drugged up Kaiju and Mark being put in danger as well. I don't dispute the fact that the guardians could have done damage but in reality it seems that even if they did, Nolan was being calculating with how he could manage to get more time to push away the time of his conquest. Not to mention that even if the guardians were doing really well, even in the comics they show that with invincibles help they are able to restrain Omniman, the guardians in the show are pretty evident that as Samson puts it "we're fighting like six individual assholes" maybe not to the extent the new guardians were but they were not as cohesive as a they should be, red rush should not have gone on the attack both him and green ghost should have been playing defense for the team, martian man should have been more focused on restraining and being a mailable target for Nolan, dark wing should have been using his gadgets to keep Nolan's senses in check and constantly disoriented, instead dark wing throws a couple of explosives and tries to get the jump on the guy with super strength and speed, warwoman and immortal were too busy monologuing and trying talking about the why Omniman is attacking instead of on the situation and Aquarius despite being effective he did the mortal sin of fighting he pulled the same move too soon and died. Not to mention while they could have worked better together no one tries to call for backup against not only the guy who could possibly solo them all and more but if he was mind controlled like they thought, they didn't try to get help or a message out about the strongest hero on the planet becoming a threat. So again I still think he is deliberately taking those blows and is feeling them but I think he is doing so on his own terms, hell we see Nolan fight viltrimites later on and although a better match up he can still take on multiple. I don't think the guardians would or could be a major threat to Nolan if he knew he didn't have to hold back so others didn't see he was killing the guardians and that he needed to be injured too to make it seem he was attacked. The point is Nolan was fighting with a game plan and a handicap, the guardians weren't they fought with ego and confusion, they couldn't have one that fight.

[@tristn9]

Cover from WHO? If he's that overwhelmingly strong he has no reason to fear anyone "finding him out" and would have already conquered the planet. IMO this is proof that he's not actually that overpowered - and groups like the guardians (and even others like Cecil) are therefore a significant threat to his mission of conquering the planet.

[@devinmiller9765]

@@tristn9 because he is reluctant to do his mission, not because he isn't strong enough, but because his family and new son with powers are still on the planet. It makes sense that if Mark never got his powers he would have waited for them to live out their lives and then he could conquer the planet without that hinderance. But Mark got his powers, he needs time to get Mark ready since he is a viltrimite and there are so few of them, if Mark becomes an asset to the empire then good more of an ability to conquer the planet if not then we saw what happened.

[@joshualonsdale-rq2lz]

​@@tropicturtle9021if he was gonna die he would of just destroyed the earth.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Short answer: They Could If The Speedster Had an IQ of above 60

[@nubnubgaming6648]

Bro so true

[@ProjektTaku]

yup

[@goat7211]

Only if the dude could faze through objects😂🤦🏾‍♂️

[@kalechip9074]

Well to be fair he was startled and running on instinct

[@whatupcuz3688]

We all know from the Flash’s show that no speedster can have an IQ of above 30

[@wnnfs9423]

To me the biggest factor that played to their downfall is the Red Rush. He was doing great just playing support and getting everyone out of harms way but then the moment he tried to shift onto the offensive, he was killed and then everyone else followed suit pretty quickly.

[@MaMastoast]

Honestly even if he'd punched Omni mans head rather than torso he would've done significantly more damage.. his chest punches actually wounded Omni man so face strikes wouldve been effective

[@fgchopper4733]

@@MaMastoast he should've poked his eyes out

[@ajgameguy3674]

@@MaMastoast Don't know why he didn't go for the eyes. Like yeah, I doubt having your head get crushed slowly really inspires strategic thinking, but considering how Immortal was able to do lasting damage in the second encounter by trying gouge out Nolan's eyes, Red Rush could've prevented his death by quickly poking at the eyes.

[@99Gara99]

When he pushed the immortal guy and started to pick the others, it felt to me he was just delaying what was about to happen, like, he knew that wasn't taking them anywhere in my understanding. Then he just switched to offense out of despair and anger, just as someone who couldn't accept the unavoidable I think the batman guy could have just run, for he is useless. The ghost one could have being more useful by trapping him like she did to the twim giants for example. I don't really see how the water guy could help and the WW and the immortal should have killed him for good when martian man hunter wrapped him, immortal could have dropped omniman to his belly and tried to secure that hold from martin man hunter while WW could have smashed the back of his head like brutal assassination style But I just don't see them executing one of their partners could blooded like that and then figuring out he was under control for example What seemed to be the most important factor in Omnimans favor was the surprise factor and the confusion of everyone. Those heroes were never ready to just murder a regular foe, what to say one of their friends

[@amiyrbarclift1640]

Yes when they saw his head get crushed like that. They knew it wasn't going to be a fair fight at all. Omni man would not be holding back.

[@Schmidteren]

If only Red Rush didn't go in for attacks and just constantly saved people instead. Going in for useless hits that wouldn't harm him was really stupid.

[@Hjernespreng]

He DID harm him, though.

[@Schmidteren]

@@Hjernespreng Nothing substantial other than burn marks from fast paced hits.

[@donflamingo5685]

@@Schmidteren and bruised lungs consideting3 he coughed up blood. But he could've done better.

[@raybeenugraha8112]

@@donflamingo5685 yeah but that was when he got caught by omni-man and he got no choice but to keep punching him

[@donflamingo5685]

@@raybeenugraha8112 oh yes

[@PrimeTime0]

Could green ghost theoretically just give everyone a group hug and make them intangible, and none would die?

[@dominickveenstra9470]

​@crustyflakes3861 no writer actually uses the phasing ability of they're heroes and it pisses me off.

[@Ayyybruhlmao]

@@dominickveenstra9470yea they shouldnt write it tbh unless it’s the main character and u jus want them to be op

[@J9NUARY]

@@dominickveenstra9470 well yeah cause it would make for a boring ass show, not everyone has to have perfect uses for their powers in shows, if they did it would just be kinda boring

[@Cyclone3603]

@crustyflakes3861 Let's not forget Omniman has almost indestructible skin, and presumably indestructible internal organs. If green ghost drove her phased-out hand through Omni's heart, and then unphased, Her hand would probably be chopped clean off. Granted, the rest of her hand would be stuck inside Nolan, but it's not something he couldn't heal off.

[@Keram-io8hv]

​@@Cyclone3603Viltrumites are weaker inside, Robot showed it

[@1UpBoi]

Short answer: yes, but only if Dark Wing had prep time

[@kalechip9074]

If red rush did his job

[@IfritBoi]

@@kalechip9074 Batman/Dark Wing: *Exists* Everyone with a brain: P R E P T I M E

[@senorcheems8388]

Bro he gotta stretch

[@fartyfat6539]

only batman have that super power: aka plot armor.

[@malcolmjenkins3585]

Batman joke

[@mranderson718]

I think you’re not giving enough acknowledgment to how completely unbelievable this was to the Guardians. For decades Nolan kept up this illusion of being a true hero through and through. They trusted him with their lives dozens of times over and he just with no warning or explanation started attacking them. The sheer shock of it completely put them on their back foot the entire fight.

[@neofromthewarnerbrothersic145]

He spent plenty of time acknowledging how shocked the team was. The point of the video isn't to analyze why they lost or criticize them for losing, it's just a hypothetical to see if they had any chance at all.

[@Nozerone]

While that's all true, the Guardians would have had enough experience that the shock wouldn't have hindered their ability to do what they need to do. They have years of combat experience, and have more than likely seen some shocking things over those years. They would have the experience to know you fight now, and deal with the shock of it once the dust settles. So the idea that they were so unorganized because of the shock is flimsy. A veteran team suddenly pulling rooky plays in a fight, and not just 1 rooky move, but multiple in a row from all of them. Shock isn't enough to explain that away, that is purely plot armor for Omni-Man.

[@deityofgods8331]

I'd be shocked at first but after red rush dieing it's 1110% from there. WW said it's him or us so i believe they were fighting 100% after that

[@sanicinapanic4264]

@@Nozerone it is imagine a well trusted fried betraying you out of the bule and try to kill you it makes alot of sense and they were also trying to be non leathe cause they thought someone was controlling them

[@Nozerone]

@@sanicinapanic4264 You're right, but you still excluding the fact that these heroes have spent years dealing with emergencies, tragedies, and all manner of other things. Through their experience alone from their line of work, even shocked they would still do what they need to do and then deal with shock after. Even if it was from a friend, losing their shit and faltering would be what a rookie would do. They aren't rookies, they are no strangers to shocking things/events. Yes, they would be a bit more hesitant, but they wouldn't have.. or shouldn't have dropped the ball like they did.

[@bskilla4892]

The dumbest one was "batman", dropping on Omniman like he's a thug in an alley smh

[@kxlcxy]

For real dude was trying to do him dirty like he wasn't a whole viltrumite

[@noelconde995]

He could be more usefull if he just called the police

[@NinjapowerMS]

Actually early on the episode Darkwing 'saved' Omniman from a debris falling directly just behind him. He thought this was a weak point on Omniman's part and tried to do the same thing. Now you might argue what would he have done with regular human strength if he did get the jump on Omniman. Who knows maybe slap a bomb on his neck, Batman usually does this on Superhuman characters as well.

[@hailpickens2454]

@@NinjapowerMS the difference is that batman isn’t a regular human, darkwing is.

[@NinjapowerMS]

@@hailpickens2454 Darkwing isn't a regular human either. He has peak human condition just like Batman. The only difference is darkwing doesn't have plot armor and is what should really happen if batman goes against an actual superbeings that can shatter buildings with ease

[@Shuffles_Art]

Omni-man’s main advantage in this fight was the element of surprise. Red Rush basically saved Immortal from getting taken out right off the bat, so it’s clear that Red Rush was a huge asset to the fight. He should’ve stuck to keeping everyone out of harm’s way, blocking whatever punches he could and not directly engaging in combat. He clearly doesn’t have the striking power to deal significant damage unless his target is immobilised, and the second he went onto the offensive he got himself caught and couldn’t break himself free from Omni-man’s grasp. Green Ghost should’ve worked to immobilise Omni-man by phasing him into the ground and restricting his ability to move, since it’d probably be harder to break free without being able to fully move your body. This way, Red Rush can try and pummel him without the threat of getting his skull crushed, as Green Ghost doesn’t seem that physically strong as the others and her abilities leave her pretty untouchable for the most part. Martian Man can also assist in immobilising as it’d then keep Omni-man busy with two restrictors while Immortal and War Woman attack directly while Darkhawk and Aquarus stay at a safe distance to attack from afar. It’s a very interesting fight, looking at it from many different perspectives and the potential differences that could’ve been made. Definitely a huge highlight of the show in the very first episode which immediately made it stand out as a show that wasn’t gonna fuck around.

[@afklion7140]

Idk why, but somehow I really felt Red Rush’s death. I think it’s for a couple of reasons: 1. We had just been introduced to him as the guy saving people at the White House, maintaining a relationship, etc 2. He also saved two guardians in the first few seconds of Omni-Man’s surprise attack. That’s why Omni killed him first (Red Rush would’ve just kept pushing the guardians away to safety). This makes him a really useful character 3. The way he died seemed so traumatic. Not only was it our first experience of the gruesomeness of this show, but we also saw the pain in Red Rush’s face when he starts punching with broken hands, realizing he might not actually escape this time. The writers did an excellent job of making the deaths of these superheroes we’ve only known for an episode so heavy and meaningful. Props to them

[@FirstnameLastname-yc2mt]

Omni-man killed him first because red rush went in to attack him, so he was in range. The first person he went for was Immortal, who is likely the strongest one there after him

[@Vegito_Fanpage]

Don't forget that the headcrush felt like hours worth of time to him! Dude got it the worst of them all.

[@mr.doctorcaptain1124]

@@Vegito_Fanpage I think they showed it to us in real time for red rush. It would take omniman less than 1/100th of a second to crush a skull, we saw this when he crushed the pilots skull. That's why his punches weren't going super fast. They were real time for red rush. His death only lasted 10-15 agonizing seconds, which would still be him perceiving it at 1000x speed.

[@pinolyzerproductionsinc.1062]

What if Res Rush had used his legs to kick Omni-Man in the nuts rather than the chest punches, he might have incapacitated him

[@danny.g10]

I know it’s strange but I really think red rush was a good super hero and he was one of my favorite characters until his super brutal death. That’s why it’s so hard for me to watch the poor guy get killed, I really feel like the guardians were a great team and the original guardians could have been great later on, long story short I just wish they had waited a little bit before just killing the guardians in just one episode.

[@akoskormendi9711]

The idea that Omni-man held back is instantly debunked when Immortal gets revived and goes toe-to-toe with him for a couple minutes, landing hits and making him bleed. The two fights have consistent powerscaling there

[@e_wa.n5036]

The problem is immortal was out for blood the second time. The first time omni man caught all of them by surprise, the second time he was caught by surprise. Surprise is a big game changer, thats why its historically been used over and over again.

[@Wulk]

The power scales are just mest up, like Nolan could sharter planets and take nuclear Bombs like it was nothing but he would bleed for the punch of a guy who can be one shot by one of his swings

[@LeifWarner]

Immortal seems like he can hit decently hard, but falls far short of Omniman's durability. I can't picture Immortal punching through Omniman - he can't even poke out his eyes. But Omniman can punch through him, knock his head off with a swipe, or tear him in half.

[@Gerald-of-Riviera]

@@Wulk It takes a lot to kill a Viltrumite, which is what Omni-man is. They are extremely durable, and the only way you can kill them is basically destroying their brain/heart. In the comics Omniman and Invincible fight someone even stronger then Omni, with their bodies practically ripped in half. But they weren't finished off and they were able to recover after getting surgery. They are OP as fuck and there's plot armor of course, but they can definitely get bloody. Hell if Red Rush actually just stayed on the defensive he couldve beat him. The man experiences things *extremely* slow compared to everyone else, and while he was getting his head crushed he even caused internal bleeding to Omniman.

[@himekosaesarchive4077]

@@Gerald-of-Riviera same with battlebeast and the leader of viltrumite. they battled for days while having their innards out. battlebeast even gave him 2 advantages, no weapons and he couldn't fly. it was stated BB was actually going easy on him because he wanted to die

[@nalemarionjamesc.2898]

Viltrumites are really tough but they aren't *invincible title card*

[@vasile-vladivanovici9430]

ALRIGHT, I GET IT

[@Booklat1]

at least one half viltrumite is 100% INVINCIBLE *stains of blood*

[@ShiningDarknes]

Well yeah… I mean they murdered half their population. Would probably need to have another pass to get actually invincible

[@qp7975]

Oh that 100% gonna be a line if they keep doing those

[@desuordie4856]

heh you didnt even need to title card text. I heard it in my head

[@umapessoa240]

There’s also the fact that he wanted to keep some level of subtlety to his actions. Omniman could have gone hypersonic and blitzed through their base just like he did with those aliens, but that would blow his cover beyond repair

[@taddad2641]

it would also have greatly forewarned the gaurdians of his actions. he was able to do that because of building up momentum. they would have detected that immediately. red rush is FAR faster than him and i think immortal matches his flight speed.

[@retsaMinnavoiG]

I also doubt it would killed the important ones.

[@Ben-zg5xb]

I think a minor detail that is overlooked is that Omni-man threw Darkwing’s body at Green Ghost. Green Ghost was phased before he threw the body at her, meaning Omni-man could see and was well aware of when and where she was phased. She could’ve only done anything if Omni-man was unable to move

[@shanedancer3895]

Does she become invisible when she phases?

[@-Offstar]

@@shanedancer3895 Technically speaking she should since when phased all things even light would pass through her, and since no light is hitting her to bounce off she'd be invisible. That's one issue with phasing abilities no one ever thinks about when they write for those characters is they'd also be invisible.

[@shanedancer3895]

@@-Offstar I think the invisibility part of phasing characters would depend on the fiction and how the powers work exactly. There's not one single way to have the powers work, and you could easily come up with some where they would still be visible. I was just confused because I've only watched the show and she never went invisible that I could recall, but I looked it up and apparently that's a power they have.

[@karthis5911]

@@-Offstar I would think she would go blind too if she was invisible because of her power.

[@-Offstar]

@@karthis5911 She wouldn't. She'd also be deaf, mute, unable to feel, unable to breathe etc. The character Mirio from MHA is a great example of all of the negative parts of a phase ability. Whenever he phases since nothing can interact with his body he becomes blind, deaf, mute, suffocates, his clothes fall off, he can't feel anything, and he immediately falls through the ground from gravity. The only thing it doesn't give him is the invisibility.

[@fredfour0]

How fast is Red Rush? We simply must know

[@goosegg_2349]

if the scene is any indication, he is slightly faster than omni man, meaning he can get to anywhere on Earth in a few seconds. this honestly doesn't seem right though because he has little superhuman durability (something necessary for going this fast). e aren't given any quantifiable feats to find out though.

[@dakotastepe]

Not fast enough lol

[@invi.sk98]

@@goosegg_2349 I mean he delivered 1/3 of enough power to destroy a planet

[@notevenalex]

He's very fast lol

[@notevenalex]

Well he perceives time just as fast he is ,he is quite fast but he doesn't seem to be faster than light

[@harrisonhurst6480]

They were not in a mindset to kill. They never expected Omni-Man to actually attack and kill them. Plus he got the drop them with expert knowledge of how their powers worked. No one really knew what Nolan was capable of. Edit:As for the Guardians not using strategy. Its not like they had a plan for how to fight and beat Omni-Man, they never thought it would happen. Their strategy went out the window when one of them dies and most of them go into shock or get very pissed off. And in the words of Iron Mike Tyson "Everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the mouth."

[@thekingofnothing8895]

Although it's true that they would be very shocked, they would also be more cautious. When punched in the face, you don't go forward without a move in mind, at the very least. They had the numbers, the power, and Nolan didn't even have the element of surprise anymore. If they were under the assumption he was being controlled and that they were in danger, they'd hold back and catch a breather. I highly doubt that trying to fight him one on one would be very effective at all. Stun and restrain would work best, but no one supported Martian man. Just hold him down and let War Woman bash his head with her club until he was out cold or dead. A single hit very clearly hurt him, I don't doubt that just one or two more hits would have done him in.

[@The_Vanni]

And there is Batman, that the second that fucking Superman starts killing everyone, he would be like "OKAY ITS ACTUALLY HAPPENING"

[@parafaust6201]

@@The_Vanni OMG FINALLY GUYS I FUCKIN TOLD YOU

[@animationdude9]

@@The_Vanni lmfao

[@imnobody4416]

I agree on this, but if you'd just ask "can they beat omni man" if they both groups knew their abilities. I'd say yes. If only red rush stayed defencive and keeping his allies safe they'd have a way bigger chance. Green ghost would be basically invincible but she was stupid af in the fight. If if Martian man didn't place his heart where his hands could of reached they'd have the best teamwork they could have and could have defeated omniman. But the show wouldn't even be going on if they won lol

[@_P2M_]

I'm still surprised the Justice League somehow gave him more damage than a ultra mega death laser from space.

[@BrownSugar83788]

Nah, he got stronger after the guardian's fight.

[@Chinesetakeout382]

I think the idea that the guardians could have won makes this far more intense and engaging even though you already know what happens. And once he does succeed, it makes it all the more gut wrenching because you know they could have won, but didn’t.

[@bmsuperstar1]

They'd mop the floor with him if they knew there was a fight coming, and they've proved it on brief moments they managed to catch their breath.

[@pinkorange4980]

Idk I didnt really like how they downplayed his powers I feel it would have been better plot wise for omni man to just wipe the whole team with minimal effort

[@randomdude1489]

@@bmsuperstar1 not really, taking into account that Omni man had the abiltiy to throw a meteor the size of Texas and throw it back into space already tells us that he could've crushed red rush's skull a lot faster, he only wanted to make it look like he was beat up too. Not just that but prolly didnt even utilize his smart atoms to enhance his durability cos Omni man was able to tank a lot of attacks that scales to moon level. And in the comics, he just kills them with ease, so in conclusion, they wouldn't have beaten omni man if he really was out for blood.

[@klaykid117]

I think that's why the Thanos fights were so compelling in Infinity War because the heroes were so close to beating him that it kept you on the edge of you seat

[@averageeughenjoyer6429]

@@randomdude1489 the skull crushing could have happened in a instant for what we know

[@mrinfinity5557]

"they would have won with a better mindset and preparation" uh, yeah. Of course they could. Thats why omniman did this as a surprise attack. So they didnt have preparation or good mindset

[@thesun5275]

it isn't about prep. it is about the fact that even realizing the situation they were in they STILL fought stupidly. Red Rush and DarkWing who were both extremely low durability thought it would be smart to charge into melee. That isn't "bad prep" that's literal mental retardation.

[@kenhanma5623]

@@thesun5275 well to be fair red rush did his best to keep Omni man off balance. The attack only lasted a few seconds and he wasn’t expecting to be caught. True it was a bit of a mistake but it’s a heat of the moment thing.

[@imnobody4416]

@@kenhanma5623 I agree with you, but tbh if red rush did think logically he would of stayed defence, keeping everyone safe from omniman's attacks. Green ghost could also helped instead of being fricking stupid. In conclusion, if they used a good start they could of definitly won. With ease maybe. But it's logical omni man won cause otherwise the show would basically just end XD

[@kenhanma5623]

@@imnobody4416 you gotta remember that red rush was the only one engaging Omni man. He was buying time for the others to regroup (which he did in the mauler twins fight) and green ghost was probably in shock and watching dark wing die in front of her definitely didn’t help. Gotta understand that when your good friend just killed another one of your good friends it’s fucking jarring

[@kirawantsaquietlife3596]

@@thesun5275 alright let’s say a long time friend suddenly jumps you and kills another one of your friends. You have no time to react, get your thoughts in order, or even process what just happened. Are you telling me you would be 100% logical in this situation?

[@nathanglover8938]

I agree (as most people, and this video, points out) that if Red Rush kept saving everyone, the team would have survived much longer. However, I also think it's possible that Omni Man would have cottoned on to this tactic and adjusted accordingly. When Red Rush goes on the offensive, we see him land around half a dozen punches, always in a direction that Omni Man isn't looking in. Omni Man realises this, looks to (screen) left, but then blocks / grapples to screen right. This move catches Red Rush, exactly as Omni Man planned, and we all know what happened next. On this basis, if Red Rush kept pushing people out of the way, eventually Omni Man would spot this and aim his punch / lunge just to one side of his target, thereby instead hitting Red Rush as he ran through. We see on 2 of the times that Red Rush saves someone, it's at the very edge of his ability; i.e. he's not got any flexibility to dodge once he commits to a save. With perfect hindsight, Red Rush's best opening move (after saving immortal) would be to dash off to Cecil, and leave him a handwritten note and video message explaining the situation. That's not only thinking tactically (to bring immediate backup), but also strategically; even if the Guardians are wiped out, at least humanity has the key information passed onto them, instead of it dying with the Guardians. It's pretty demeaning, but actually the best use of Darkwing would be for Red Rush to drop Darkwing off with Cecil, so that Darkwing can explain in case Cecil has any follow up questions. It's demeaning but Darkwing is probably just best off as a glorified messenger boy! :'D

[@snowrhino675]

this guy is the only one who thought about it for a while

[@gmat5046]

He's was a batman that failed to batman...I mean prepare.

[@KorgCrimson]

Never mind Darkwing could have helped construct a better counterstrategy.

[@InfernosReaper]

@@gmat5046 well, not everyone can write a borderline psychic and sell it like they do with Batman(even then, some of it's just downright too silly to swallow)

[@WackJallis]

I also like everything that happened post-fight. Cecil knew immediately that something weird was going on. He questioned why Nolan was the only one to survive among all the other questions that came up.

[@jairbear1188]

Red rush shouldn't be offensive. He should be saving his members. The heavy hitters should go in and aquarius should waste time with his water attack. Martian Man should restrain him and the Green Ghost should also phase members and save them from being hit. Also give dark wing prep time, maybe he can find some more effective weapons and tactics. Red rush can even get backup or tell Cecil before it's too late.

[@ihatejuiceorapple5330]

Yeah red rush should’ve stayed as support

[@bashfulbreloom9294]

I say leave Red Rush to protect the others. Green Ghost should stick with Aquarius. She isn't fast enough to intervene if he is already going for an attack. Since Nolan is a close range fighter and they aren't able to react fast enough, them sticking together is a good choice. If Omni Man even takes a step in their direction they should phase.

[@sethmiller2532]

I think a lot of the comments about Martian Man are missing a crucial detail. He needs to be careful to wrap around Omni Man in such a way as to keep that organ OM ripped off out of reach, so likely keeping it to his back.

[@Eking-su3tr]

Even if he would've hv been able to do that for long omni man would still be able to catch him

[@liltone9614]

Martian Man should restrain him and The immortal + Wonder Woman thing started punching him. Green Ghost + Red Rush act as support. Maybe Aquarius could drown omni man. Dark Wing can distract him with his gadgets

[@doomyboi]

I feel like instead of punching Omniman, Red Rush should have used his attack attempts to clap his ears instead. He has teammates already built to handle attacking and defending directly, but there was nobody else around that could actively *discombobulate*

[@zerowarhead1014]

Sherlock Holmes is red rush

[@jamesjohnXII]

I dony believe they really knew that his ears where his weakness

[@bonds927]

The team knew very little about him since he barely helped them. He only helped them when it was a world threatening event

[@SympatheticStrawmanVA]

Well that would have dropped him almost instantly. Viltrumite powers come from their inner ears, and with the speeds that Red Rush travels at, its not outside the realm of possibility he could rupture his eardrums

[@neerGdyahS]

Red rush probably panicked and tried to do too much on his own. Probably relying on his usual tactic against strong opponents of pressuring and harassing them to keep them off balance. I think he simply wasn't used to the idea that anyone other than another speedster could touch him.

[@mikjall9345]

A lot of this argument doesn't factor for the initial shock factor at the start. Organised team or not. They were in no way mentally prepared for any of this even up to the point of mid-way. It was only when Immortal says "I choose us" do they properly catch on. It's easy to plan for something that you've already watched from the comfort of a computer chair. Your thinking speed changes in the heat of it whilst confused.

[@metalmario1231]

.....Batman

[@Cookie-gw1vv]

@@metalmario1231 is an over glorified Gary Stu

[@Aurelius-bf3yx]

I feel like that was the point of this video though like what if they were mentally prepared

[@juliandacosta6841]

Everyone in the show seems to be aware of mind control being a possibility. Why wouldn't they be mentally prepared for something like this to happen?

[@juanrojas6063]

I was actually expecting to see this comment, you’d have to imagine though that the worlds greatest most honed heroes who fight world ending threats, you’d think they’d have a pretty relevant degree of shock training as to react to something like this especially with being aware mind control exists Like even human police officers are trained to deal with shocking and sudden situations, and yes while of coarse you still have officers who will freeze up or panic, you’d think that the most elite heroes to exist on the planet could gather themselves a bit faster than a moderately trained real human

[@SnowmanTF2]

The most noticeable thing is Red Rush and Green Ghost. Given speed is basically Red Rush's only thing he should have never positioned himself to be caught, and he clearly had way longer than needed to realize Nolan was going full speed with his attacks. Plus outside of all the combat and going as far to verbally say something during the attack that killed her, how was she not intangible by the time he tried to strike.

[@Aeternus75]

Short answer: darkwing shoulda hung in the back hit up cecil and have someone like cecil call someone like battlebeast and be like: "yo, battlebeast, pog viltrimite fight out on everest." and battlebeast would just be like "omw." and tp there to body ALL of them

[@felipecosta-kv2fx]

The communications were cut

[@kyleellis9177]

@@felipecosta-kv2fx base lines were, but Darkwing doesn't have a sat phone? Red Racer can't run and get public? After half my team is dead, my response would be: "It would help corroborate the story if I back you up." Knowing Cecil, I'd lay low for end of season 1 and try then (likely dying yes)

[@ericjones9668]

You see how Nolan stayed away from Battle beast when Mark got slapped around!

[@ttv_mrjack6749]

@@ericjones9668 Battlebeast 100% would've slapped the shit outta Nolan without taking any serious damage at all. He'd have solo'd him and the GoTG at the same time.

[@ericjones9668]

@@ttv_mrjack6749 Now that you mention it, I never even thought about it. Nolan would've gotten trashed of he stepped in the fight.. keep forgetting Battle Beast is top tier!!

[@jonathancampbell7798]

Answer: Yes. They canonically beat him in the comic, when he didn't ambush them. Once they know he's the enemy, they took him down, without a single loss.

[@IvanGarcia-xy7bf]

Didn't they have his son to help take him down at that point with some kind of time travel help?

[@Sean-nr3ts]

@@IvanGarcia-xy7bf yes

[@bp67499]

@@IvanGarcia-xy7bf yes, in the "reboot arc"

[@CoCoKwispy]

I don't remember that, was it in Invincible or the Guardians comic?

[@tieuucanh8958]

@@IvanGarcia-xy7bf Yes and no, Mark was there, but he didn't fight, he got the shit beaten out of him before the Guardians arrived. The Guardian basically took Omniman out on thier own minus Fishman

[@echelonsixx4774]

This is a obvious question. Omni-Man himself even knew that they could have stopped him if they were aware of his evil presence. This why he SURPRISED ATTACKED them. They were completely thrown off. But nice video regardless! :)

[@kimkillillasfuq8212]

Right I was gonna say, the answer is presumably yes, seeing as Nolan felt the need to kill them to begin with.

[@samuelhunter4631]

Agree. Nolan wouldn't resort to a sneak attack if he didn't think he would be wrecked in an honest confrontation

[@80sMoviesRule1]

Yeah this

[@nailtoolofamusement]

Eh, comics and series are different. Must be said tho, even tho in the comics he kills them all in an instant they actually manage to take him down in a sort of "what if" scenario that plays out in later issues. Of course a young Mark was involved but it still counts.

[@kimkillillasfuq8212]

@@nailtoolofamusement they took him down in two shots

[@abstraktfilms]

All good points. The only factor that trumps all others is shock. When someone doesn't understand what tf they're looking at, logic goes out the door. Strategizing is difficult enough, let alone coordinating with others and finding ways to communicate strategies (without OmniMan noticing) in such an intense moment- all while trying to wrap your head around what's happening.

[@gregtestagent]

Their training should have included “Losing the Fight” scenarios. Strategies that necessitate a combat retreat and mitigating an over powering force. Each scenario is a Alamo last stand strategy they should have memorized. It would include upholding directives such as preserving non-combatants, slowing assailant(s) with best uses of abilities, and coordinating with remaining team mates as best as possible. Never should there ever be an enclosed private peace meal fight with befuddled heroes using their abilities in questionable ways on a known opponent.

[@DrGreen-oo3ei]

the best comment yet

[@leomadero562]

Omni man probably prevented this from happening, intentionally or not. You gotta remember that his whole plan from the very beginning was to gain their trust and then destroy them all. Not to mention that plan would include him as well, making him an essential part of delaying the "strong enemy" and allowing the others to escape. Meaning that without him, their planning would've been useless anyways.

[@fredfour0]

Red rush broke his hands after repeatedly punching Omniman. So why did he come off of defense in the first place? Wasn't he noticing the pain and lack of effect?

[@MrTREEHUNTER22]

If you notice, Omniman's chest is getting bruised and he even coughed up blood. So Red Rush was doing some pretty good damage internally as well as externally.

[@williamthell5930]

@@MrTREEHUNTER22 yep😄

[@RtistiqSkubie]

@@MrTREEHUNTER22 yes, but no, with his speed he wasn't inflicting high enough damage fast enough to majorly affect Omniman. So the question still remains why did he go on the offensive when we can see for ourselves RR would've collapsed from the self inflicted trauma to his forearms before he stopped him.

[@josephnapolitano5864]

That was only after he had his head stuck between omni-mans two hands. There was no escaping at that point. It was do or die. He tried doing something but still ended up dead. Yes he should have stayed on defence but even still he didn't know how fucked he was until Omni-man grabbed his wrist.

[@fredfour0]

@@josephnapolitano5864 in the time taken for Omniman to let go of his wrist and grab his head why didn't he dodge? He already proved able to react to OM swinging at his team

[@thanos1335]

I think a stealthy Omniman would be a nightmare. Imagine if he called and emergency and they were all there and Ominman was like "I sense a threat but can't find it, we should split up and look" and he then 1 by 1 silently murders all of them saving War Woman and Immortal for last.

[@MouldMadeMind]

They should be smarter than horror movie teens.

[@ninjacat385]

In the comics he just insta-kills them not even a fight.

[@wildfire9280]

@@MouldMadeMind or just smarter than Mystery Inc.

[@Dino-h3x]

Among Us: Invincible edition

[@iEatCarKeys]

A… AMOGUS 📮🔪

[@antonioluiscolonsanchez7301]

You should calculate Omni-Man strength. I would like a video of that. Love your videos 😊❤

[@batriam5921]

I don't see why people use Omni-man maybe holding back as an argument. Like even if he is it's not like he can make his body less durable (from what we know in the show). And they are still the only people to seriously hurt him in the whole show. The only time he was even close to that was when he was fighting Mark and Cecil, and Cecil had been preparing basically since the Guardians got killed. And even then he only got a bloody nose compared to needing to be on life support after the Guardians Battle.

[@lucasziegman4007]

I might be remembering incorrectly but didn't he say he'd been preparing before that too?

[@secretgames1906]

I think he held back during the fight so he gets damaged, not that he made himself less durable. So instead of just speeding through them like he did to the city, he gave them a chance to deal some damage so he isn't suspicious.

[@williamzhu9160]

@KingOfLegends23 i mean... omni man's hands were probably covered in the blood of guardians. it was such an easy forensics analysis that art, the tailor, was able to figure it out in like 5 minutes.

[@phoenixwhiler943]

I mean we have seen omni-man yeet mark to different states so yeah

[@shanedancer3895]

@@secretgames1906 That doesn't make any sense. How is being the only survivor at a fight scene with no other suspects less suspicious than you just not being there at all? If he did that on purpose he's a moron, it would be way better for them to just be mysteriously dead and you act like you have no idea what happened. At that point the only reason they would be suspicious is because you are one of the few strong enough to fight them and win, which is also the case if you are 100% placed at the fight with their blood on your hands.

[@hightower2141]

I can’t stop imagining darkwing dramatic screaming WHHHHHYYYYY as he does a drop kick from the air.

[@Paur]

Lol, at himself, or at Omni Man? Because that was so fucking stupid.

[@pringlelingle6827]

I like to imagine he screams MARTHA

[@thatoneguy779]

Hey hey hey black widow would tell you that kicks were very effective against thanos

[@hightower2141]

@@Paur obviously at Omni Man why should he sceam at himself.

[@Paur]

@@hightower2141 Oh, I thought this was a joke on how he was stupidly written to attempt to dropkick what is essentially their universe's Superman. "Whhyyyyyyy am I doing thiiiiiisss I'm smarter than thiiiiis this is s fucking duuuuuumb--" SPLATTERED

[@xcw4934]

I'm kind of surprised Omni-man decided to take them all on simultaneously. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy to take chances with something as important as the only thing that could jeopardise his mission. He could easily have isolated just the two most formidable threats and then later called the rest of the team in for an easy mop up.

[@calebbellizio4985]

Good point

[@JoseMora-wc5zz]

You heard them, he thought they were weak and pathetic.

[@godw1ll99]

exactly why im not buying the whole "he took them out because he saw them as a threat". he clearly didnt see them as a threat and no amount of surprise attack is going to change that.

[@albireotheredguard1599]

He took them out in one page in the comics.

[@Jim-pq9pm]

@@godw1ll99 Actions speak louder than words.

[@tri-sapien6487]

They did the Guardians of the Globe really well in the show. How do I know this? Because I want to see more from them.

[@concept5631]

Fr. Its been over a year since I watched Invincible and I still like them.

[@y.tcensorsyou1964]

As a Batman fan I would have loved to see Darkwing last a bit longer, maybe actually do some considerable damage but I understand why he didnt. It was a bit refreshing to see what happens when batman is written without plot armor and prep time.

[@michaelsong5555]

Honestly, Batman wouldn't do anything like jump kicking Omni Man. He'd assess the situation at hand by using his teammates, who are much better suited for direct combat. Darkwing was just an idiot.

[@y.tcensorsyou1964]

@@michaelsong5555 very true

[@simoniacchicken]

Not to mention Batman has held his own against the Justice League as shown in Injustice. Batman managed to combat everyone that sided with Supes easily and successfully stayed alive while a bloodlusted Supes was active.

[@michaelsong5555]

@@simoniacchicken In Injustice, there was a pill that put all the normal people in the same league as the extremely powerful meta humans. The Injustice Green Arrow died to obtain it.

[@simoniacchicken]

@@michaelsong5555 yes I am aware but it was the plan that Batman had to get ahold of that pill. Not to mention Batman had to fight to get there and still held his own

[@KicktheSky34]

I'd say the lack of strategic thinking was mostly down to them being taken off-guard by the fight. I imagine that, for most other fights, they usually get the the mission details from Cecil and are able to formulate a plan of attack in advance. In this case, the uncertainty of being attacked by an ally was enough to disrupt their team's cohesion. I've got no excuse for Darkwing though. What was he thinking going in close? Was he going to try kryptonite or something?

[@taddad2641]

....... after seasopn two i think i know what he was trying to do. he was trying to pull omniman into his shadow dimension.

[@KicktheSky34]

@@taddad2641 that would make sense, but then why didn’t he do that to get out from under that car in the beginning of the episode?

[@Adorni]

The simplest answer is often the most likely: bad writing. The writers wanted to show the fight, which wasn’t in the comic. But the Guardians still needed to lose, and either time constraints or laziness led to these so-called veteran heroes making extremely rookie blunders or basically just setting themselves up like bowling pins for Omniman to knock down.

[@lucaswtvr839]

@@taddad2641 i think the shadow dimension is a power from his successor only

[@Jacob-gm4hq]

@@Adorni Its not bad writing if characters make mistakes. It's actually more realistic, even Michael Jordan made mistakes and lost games at times. It makes the characters more human. Mistake are especially likely if you are taken by surprise, don't have plan ahead of the fight, and are shocked/emotional about the horror taking place in front of you. Them having perfect execution in a fight like this would actually be bad writing.

[@CrazyRandomStuff]

The lack of strategy on the Guardians part is kinda understandable. They just watched one of their friends heads get exploded and obviously just started panicking.

[@abdulmasaiev9024]

Yeah that's a weird complaint, that they're not acting strategically. They had no idea this was coming and were obviously not prepared for this (which for Omniman was obviously the idea). Even if they had theorycrafted some scenarios, the reality of this one hit them out of nowhere right there and then and meant being thrust right into it with zero mental preparation. They had to actually first get over the shock, figure out what exacly is happening and then make the effort to actually switch to acting strategically rather than just react, and the pressure they were under was sudden, unexpected, immense and BRUTAL. Obviously they're not going to go 0 to "welp time to kill our absurdly OP friend Nolan just the way we talked about" in a snap.

[@stevensanchez1192]

If Darkwing had been more like Batman they probably would've pulled off a decent strategy. Because Batman doesn't fold under pressure and would definitely be leading the team.

[@Wixvhen]

The simple answer here is 'Yes'. And the comics show this to be true. That said, all of them act foolishly because they don't seem to get the stakes. Immortal and WW standin were both physically capable of putting him down. They even show that they are capable of doing so with little effort. Each of them showed they were able even while fighting Omniman in short little bursts. Darkwing staying on sensory attacks, Red rush sticking to defense, and Green going for internal attacks whenever the others hold him down with their attacks/suppression. They were entirely capable. The major problem was really the shock. In the comics, Invincible fixed that by simply telling them the stakes and being living proof.

[@Aegisfromashes]

Great video, fun thought experiment too! I think the biggest success point for omni man was surprise and shock. As you pointed out, even after several members were dead, they still didn't think it was really him, they thought he was brain washed. They were STILL in shock. This was their best friend and trusted ally, whom had saved many of their lives over decades. Then in about 2 minutes, he killed all of them. Some other interesting bits, with red rush, he would take pot shots at omni man from odd angles. By the third shot, you can see omni man faint a look away to bait him in. With dark wing, the reason he jumped in was to save war woman. She was one of their stronger members. Omni Man had her by the hair and was about to finish her off, so darkwing had to jump in even if it meant putting himself at risk, because they needed her strength more than his utility. With Green ghost, based on their fight with the mauler twins, she seemed more emotionally connected to people. Omni man directly targeted her, throwing dark wings corpse hoping it would get it to lower her guard. After the team was broken, there were only 2 people left who really do any damage. All he had to do was rip out the nucleus for Martian Man so he could take on the immortal and war woman. Neither of which were ready or experienced enough, considering omni man's extensive history of brutal warfare and infighting within his own race.

[@GodBlade132]

Awesome insights here

[@olstar18]

Actually based on a few scenes with them earlier they didn't trust him and weren't really friends with him.

[@Aegisfromashes]

@@olstar18 I'm not so certain. He certainly had an outsider feel in the casted setting, but Omni man fought with them for years. Saving them, countless others, and the planet many times over. During the fight the immortal thought he was being mind controlled, and war woman said it didn't matter what their relationship was. Hinting that there was atleast some relationship intact that would need to be discarded to fight him.

[@fuchrrr_7549]

Only problem is that this is still a garbage fight. Red rush ran away from olga, fought someone, came back in a different outfit, all in an instant, all without breaking a sweat, not to mention that when he gets hit by his punches, he looks after he gets punched. Red rush punched him and ran away before his brain registered the hit, which makes sense because anything else is physically impossible. Yet 2 seconds later he grabs his hand, bullcrap, then LETS GO AND GRABS HIS HEAD. ...can I laugh in your face? Not to mention that this strategy is blatantly retarded as we have already pointed out he could run away and grab another hero and be back in an instant or a million other things. And no it isnt shock because shock doesnt do that, shock makes you freeze or act out of fear like running. Him punching from odd angles tells me that theres some for of strategizing which just means red rush is being stupid for plot. and that only the flaws with this part of the fight. so yea, this fight is dogshit

[@slicingonions4398]

​@@olstar18that's not even true

[@lexscott3739]

Honestly, I think you're entirely right. Immortal in a 1v1 managed to hold his own semi-decently against Omni-Man AND injure him later in the show. What's more, considering how much surveillance Cecil puts almost every super under, it's kind of shocking no help did come, or that this plot could even happen in the first place.

[@Jane-oz7pp]

after he fought a huge monster and went several rounds with his son. That's not exactly 1v1 on equal footing.

[@nosir7882]

Injure? I mean I guess, but it’s more like he gave Omni Man a lil pink eye while he was still worried about his son

[@therealviceroy]

Immortal got jobbed and disemboweled after Omni man had fought a bunch of tougher things.

[@zzirfamo24]

Bruh literally after Omni mad got mad he punched through him and split him in half

[@Josiah-J8l]

Didn't a prepared guardians of the globe manage to beat omni man when Mark went back in time

[@raymondwilliams379]

Of course, OmniMan just did his job perfectly, researched them, gained their trust, and dismantled them before they knew what was happening and adjusted to it

[@es83stevenson88]

Not sure about that. I mean wouldn't it be easier if he had just put on a villain disguise and take out the heroes one at a time?

[@raymondwilliams379]

@@es83stevenson88 why would you want to take them out one at a time? These are planetary defenders, if ONE does you better bet the other ones are both, preparing, and angry. Here they're off guard and unaware of Omni-mans intentions. Better bet you take out one of their friends and you're never getting the "Someone must be mind controlling him, let's take it easy so we don't kill him" benefits. They'll just fucking kill you

[@es83stevenson88]

@@raymondwilliams379 yeah but they almost got him. the only reasons to take them all at once would be bravado or bragging rights. and as he was not bragging about taking on the mightiest heroes solo just feels like there would be smarter ways for him to do it

[@TheLastSane1]

@@es83stevenson88 He does it to remove them as a threat in one swoop. Coming in and sneak attacking means he can kill several off before they figure out whats going on and then mop up. Nolan went for Immortal in a full flying punch which would have taken Immortals head off. He then probably would have killed War Woman and right there he has removed their heaviest hitters and while they are still recovering from the shock he can take down Rush and or ghost at that point its just a clean up. Martian and Aquarius are not big threats on their own.

[@Fallout777]

If they weren't taken by surprise and planned for the fight, absolutely.

[@PineappAlSauce]

With how distrusting Cecil was of OmniMan, I’m surprised he didn’t have the guardians train for this exact scenario. Luring them to their HQ for a sneak attack seems like an obvious scenario for which to prepare.

[@tournesol99]

He was a little skeptical simply because Omniman was always something of a loner. He helped out, but he wasn't part of any official team, so he was both hard to contact, and had little oversight or accountability. But it really wasn't until he investigated the deaths of the GotG that he properly doubted Omniman, and saw him as a true danger.

[@savethebees275]

Didn't he have the laser weapon built for that purpose? And he tested Nolan's blood for that reason as well? Seems like he did have some back up plans, but perhaps didn't know know how much a threat he could be. At least, that's the feeling I got when Cecil talked about Omniman.

[@tournesol99]

@@savethebees275 I have no idea if that was the purpose behind the orbital laser, I can't remember if that scene stated as much. It didn't work after all, he basically shrugged it off. So it likely wasn't explicitly designed for him. As for testing blood, they obviously would have run tests on Omniman when he was injured, but the exact scene in the show where they test Viltrumite blood actually refers to Mark's blood, not Omniman's.

[@savethebees275]

@@tournesol99 I thought Cecil took blood from the GoTG crime scene in the beginning of the show. As with the orbital laser, though, this could be just me wrongly inferring plot points. I'm not sure if either were explicitly stated.

[@tournesol99]

@@savethebees275 He did I think, but that makes perfect sense since everyone else was dead and OM was comatose. But there is a scene later on in the show where they are experimenting on Viltrumite blood, and it is said to be Mark's, which is also the more shady of the two blood tests.

[@mega17]

I was severely disappointed by Green Ghost choking at fight. It seemed like she could have immobilized Omni-Man severely if she were more mindful. On the note of super speed, I believe he can't move as fast as the Red Rush immediately. He needs time and room to build up momentum, which is why he could do it in the other dimension, whereas Red Rush's speed in more like a function of accelerated experience of time.

[@ethancha9361]

Green Ghost should have been on defensive too like RR. She can literally make other people intangible.

[@nathanschultz7950]

This is better explained in the comics- Green ghost is a newbie. She's extremely new to the team and her own superpowers, I don't think she's even had them for a full year yet. Someone else said she had them for about a month?

[@MusicFan752]

@@nathanschultz7950 wait if she's only had her powers for a month how'd she get to be a member of the guardians of the globe???

[@shauryadeshwal7368]

@@MusicFan752 The same way Invincible joined the team without knowing much about his new power. It depends on how strong and useful your power is.

[@Redcatstorm]

@@MusicFan752 The original Green Ghost was killed and she was taken in as a replacement.

[@Xgil2Play]

Yes. Rewatching the fight, you notice Red Rush was fighting on the defensive, keeping the other members out of harm's way. When he swapped to offensive, he got caught and died, the others followed suit. Immortal and Warwoman did great at doing damage to Omni-Man, so it seems a no brainer that Red Rush should have remained on the defensive while the others provide support and Immortal /Warwoman do the main damage. Omni-Man may be strong, but he's not [Title Card]

[@KO-cp9ws]

Look at how many free hits they got and he was still standing. The Guardians got WAY more hits on Omniman than he did to them. The alleged "Heavy hitters" Warrior woman and Immortal were taken down with two hits TWO HITS. He is one guy against 6 and he tanks EVERYTHING they throw at him.

[@malum9478]

@@KO-cp9ws yeah and he almost lost anyway. if red rush had kept saving them while the others incapacitated him and pummeled him respectively, they would have won period. maybe a few of them still would have been killed, but they wouldve almost certainly won.

[@blueligh2]

if red rush stayed on defensive, they would have won, 100%

[@kyleellis1825]

Red Rush was the first one to figure out it was life or death and tried to give everyone else the 5 seconds needed to understand the severity.

[@ianlongo9037]

Omni-Man held back and let himself get beaten to have an alibi later, that is shown true when he destroys an entire planet on his own and now in season 2 (I know it wasn't out when this was posted) standing a fight against multiple Viltrumites.

[@jibus3556]

I think people sometimes see this fight and think it makes omni-man look weaker than what we're shown in the rest of the show, but I feel that what we're really supposed to be getting from this fight is that the Guardians of the Globe are just actually incredibly strong. Obviously the Guardians of the Globe and Omniman were inspired by the Justice League/Superman, and looking at the fight by swapping them out with their respective inspirations, it feels a lot more right. The Justice League even without Superman are a serious force to be reckoned with, and although Superman could still probably beat them all, it would be a brutal and difficult fight. I feel the show writers created the fight by imagining how it would go with their respective inspirations, and why the Guardians don't get completely swept. The only reason it might feel off here is because all we've seen of the guardians is one short crime fight, as opposed to the years of familiarity we have with the justice league that would make their strength against such an overwhelming force feel more reasonable. The Guardians were a serious, significant threat to Nolan, Nolan knew that, he spent years learning their weaknesses and planning his attack, and that's probably the only reason he was able to win the fight at all. Viltrumites are incredibly strong, but so is the literal whole justice league, and killing every single one at once is a feat worthy of such a tough fight. TL;DR: imagine this was a fight between Superman and the Justice League and the difficulty Nolan had feels much more reasonable.

[@feanedhell]

In the comic book he crushes them without too much difficulty. I think it was inconsistent because they wanted to keep doubt about omniman. In the comic he doesn’t get hurt at all and escapes, you only learn much later that it was him.

[@cephery8482]

But the issue is that like, after atom eve and invincible, all the other supers seems really shit compared to omni man. And even then those 2 dont stack up. It’s hard buying that there were 7 guys who between them couldve fought him when the whole rest of the planet after those 7 wouldnt be able to. Also a random turret slicing through a mauler when it took all the guardians to stop them isnt a great look. For example, of he sees them committing to defensive strategies, whats to stop him bringing down the mountain on top of them, then just soft through the wreckage picking them off. At which point ghost is the only threat, but she’d almost definitely be trying to help the team, so you can def surprise her whenever she goes back tangible after getting someone out

[@JotaroKujo-nj4bx]

You also have to factor in that Nolan is thousands of years old and has thousands of years of combat experience

[@laflux]

Superman isn't most powerful person in the League in the comics. Flash and MMH would beat him.

[@balmorrablue3130]

Superman can’t beat the rest of the justice league the Martian manhunter is literally more powerful than him

[@ratjacket704]

Short answer: Yes, but only if Martian Man wore pants

[@TheRealest127]

I think Omni-Man Knew that they stood a good chance of actually beating him. That’s why he didn’t “Announce” himself and he SURPRISED Attack them. If he really felt like they were no threat to him I believe he would have given them the Dignity of announcing who he really was and what he was on earth to do and would’ve given them a chance to take it all in and then give them a fighting chance. I think they deserved better than the way they were killed and in a way it was Beneath someone like Omni- Man who claims to be “Superior”, To SNEAK Up behind them almost In a Cowardly kind of way.

[@ltspyder2177]

They weren't really a threat to him. The comics go into this much later but the reason he surprise attack them wasn't because he considered them a threat. He knew he needed to take them out fast because somewhere in his head he was considering abandoning his mission. They really were his friends. He says to Mark at one point "I knew I had to take them out fast, before I could convince myself to stop."

[@PrimeTime0]

​@@ltspyder2177the comics and series are different universes, with quite a few differences, so you can't always use the comics as a reliable reference for the show.

[@geokim8590]

Maybe that could have given red rush time to get help or tell cecil?

[@terryjones2467]

I think it was both. He did care for them at some level, yet his mission came first. And if they had been prepared it would have gone much MUCH, differently. As a team, knowing their enemy.. they would have won

[@aminulhussain2277]

​@@ltspyder2177 With warning the guardians defeat him quite easily.

[@ashtonwong9288]

Green ghost and red rush as support, immortal and war woman as heavy hitters, and aquarius and Martian man as immobilization. Idk where dark wing comes in but maybe along with aquarius as a l9ng range immobilizer as he was able to stun omni man for a quick second using explosives.

[@owenduffy5745]

Later in the comics when Mark "time travels" to the past and warns the guardians about Nolan, they beat him pretty easily (granted this was with Mark's help, but Mark was also nerfed to the point he was at at the start of the series). This shows to me that they could have won with high difficulty if they were fully prepared and had a plan

[@hiiiiijimmysmom]

exactly!! this is probably the most important piece of information that nobody is talking about, literally a canon answer.

[@kaekae1782]

Really just bad power scaling.

[@Wulk]

@@kaekae1782 Yhea, like Nolan could sharter planets and take nuclear explosions like it was nothing but the punch of the guy who couldn't take previously one of his swings would make him bleed -.-

[@kaekae1782]

@@Wulk yea these days I try my best not to look at the shows too logically and just try to enjoy them. Invincible is one of those shows when it came to power levels I’m like how. But then I just started looking at it for the plot. Power levels don’t matter when they are going to make Mark as powerful as he needs to be everytime.

[@Chiefteeth1]

@@Wulk The funny part is immortal got killed easily again. Red rush and green ghost are the ones that defeated Omni man easily.

[@HaiseKuromeruMMD]

Aside from RR mistake if Darkwing was anywhere near Batman's intelligence he would have discovered Nolan's weakness years before and used it on him when he had the chance.

[@froggerz9493]

I dont think he would since there would be no way of knowing that noise stuff is his weakness

[@holybanana8182]

@@froggerz9493 we're assuming he has Batman's intelligence in this one

[@thatoneguy779]

Black batman was lame af you fighting superman and instantly think a kick is gonna stop him god at least Black widow got looks to make up for being useless

[@thegrammarpolice69]

@@froggerz9493 you could also argue that it was kinda impossible to find out that an alien space rock from his shattered home world (also considered a super rare mineral) was the only thing that could easily hurt him. Compared to that sound is...

[@froggerz9493]

@@thegrammarpolice69 the only reason batman knows is because of lex Luthor who knows and it's not just a loud sound it's a specific type if sound that is always right in their ears

[@TheJadeFist]

Red Rush was actually fighting decently, he just got caught. The whole slo-mo thing when he got grabbed and starting pelting Omni-man and had his head crushed, all happened in a split second.

[@kyleellis1825]

Exactly. He processed everything first and realized the time needed time to get their shit together. He tried to distract Omniman for a few seconds but got caught before the team was ready.

[@TheRedeagle27]

Love this video keep making ones just like this one

[@sadikicaine4881]

8:10 One thing people don't notice is that Nolan got a power boost Frome being on the flaxan's home world. From what I recall, viltrumites get stronger the older they get right? And Nolan grew a beard in the time it took to destroy the home world and get back before dinner in our time.

[@ClubberOntop]

Never thought of that

[@rinzler9171]

Also I think you underestimate the sheer terror they felt at the idea of fighting this powerful ally who suddenly doesn't have a problem killing them.

[@jacoblepley9966]

Yeah, the biggest limiting factor was how panicked/restrained the GGs were

[@DarthBaneIsBald]

That pimple on Martian man is his ‘Core’ As long as his core is not damaged he can heal from anything and is basically unkillable

[@DT25659]

I like how the show made it seem like Nolan actually struggled unlike the comics where he straight up blitzed them and one shot all of them with like no effort. He didn’t even had a scratch on him.

[@themadclown4077]

Yea definally kinda dumb. Also in the rematch doesn't he lose in the comics after his his son goes back and time. So it doesn't really make sense why he demolish them lol.

[@kyleellis9177]

Kirkan's first main arc 15+ years ago, he himself realized how he could do it better, so changed it for the show.

[@ophhate]

@@kyleellis9177 in reality the guardians could have beat him. Bad writing or no

[@Dana-gn3nb]

Agree. They could have taken him but they let their emotions get in the way which lead to poor decisions. It was jarring for them to see their own teammate kill a friend. Omniman was prepared and planned his attack which is why he won.

[@imaginationstation5595]

I think the psychological aspect was Omni man's greatest advantage. Not just the morals mentioned here, but the depth of the betrayal and how Omni man has probably played the role of a weaker hero. So in their minds, red rush for instance might believe Nolan would go down after a few of his hits. I wish think there were limits to their combo abilities as well as their friendships not being uniformer strong with all team members. In the former you can see the stretchy hero does a great job of restraining Nolan but I don't think the fish or dark wing could keep pressuring Nolan without damaging the stretchy guy. Lastly, being the 'strongest' heroes definitely added some overconfidence on the guardians part. I mentioned how Nolan probably played the part of a pitiful peasant. But as the most obvious example I think the idea dark wing could've done anything to Nolan by jumping on him demonstrates this idea best.

[@Foggycallabasashillshelicopter]

What?😂 no not all at dawg😂 Omni man can wipe out a planet in under 30 seconds and you think that’s psychological?😂🤡

[@shibasarecute]

​@@Foggycallabasashillshelicopterhe was saying that he wealens himself in public, so when the guardians fought with him, they think he's weaker than he actually is. That's why the batman wannabe jumped on him, or why red rush tried going on the offensive.

[@ulfberht4431]

Your point on #2: I think it’s safe to assume that the team probably didn’t have a strategy or plan of attack while fighting Omni Man is simple and one you alluded to earlier. The shock and disbelief that their friend is turning on them has made them loose focus for a moment. It’s not easy trying to form a plan in the middle of a fight with someone who you’ve known as a friend your entire career. You even acknowledged in #1 that they were unaware of Omniman turning on them. And now you’re scolding them for not having a strategy on them basis that they should’ve known? In simple terms: their shock and disbelief has stopped them from forming an effective strategy. I don’t think it was “for no reason” as you claim it to be.