Safespace and Snowflake are Insulting, Not Inclusive [Marvel Comics]

[@fluffyplayery3017]

They pissed off SJWs and anti-SJWs in one move, how the hell did they do that?

[@rainquarm]

alfie comments it’s the SVU gamer gate episode all over again

[@RubberyCat]

Because one group need it to be a joke, but is afraid it is too serious, and the other need it to be serious, but they are afraid it is a joke. I wonder ... what if they find Sweet Spot ....

[@heyitslewi1599]

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be

[@RedBloodyGirl]

Bad Writing

[@fluffyplayery3017]

@@RedBloodyGirl Bad? Try absolutely awful.

[@bocowan9106]

They don’t even seem like real marvel characters. They sound like something you’d see in a parody comic like the tick, the boys, or invincible

[@angelosleontarakis6253]

DONT YOU DARE TALK SHIT ABOUT INVINCIBLE! For real though, you are right. And not just any parody comic, but it's almost as if they are from a comic made to make fun of SJWs instead of "promoting" them, as this specific title is trying to do.

[@davidbrowne3761]

The Tick is Likeable though

[@Omarthedemigod]

Invincible is great tho and is enough to be it’s own thing.

[@beanguy7122]

The Boys is more of a satire than a parody.

[@seandent3732]

Don’t compare The Boys or Invincible to this propaganda garbage .

[@Sondergirl1610]

Listen , when pro diversity people and anti SJW people are respectively disappointed and laughing at you. You done messed up marvel.

[@jude8067]

@brandon roberts I'm pretty sure that's another one of their characters

[@Madhouse3324]

True that

[@cooltrainervaultboy-39]

I will give them credit for creating some new heroes to experiment the concept with, but the execution is just way off.

[@defencebangladesh4068]

@@jude8067 lmao

[@ceetee2001]

brandon roberts : Hitler was not a Social Democrat though. He was a National Socialist.

[@hornedlobster]

The next marvel superhero: Hurry Curry Superpowers: - Super speed - The ability to be "randomly selected' at every airport screening.

[@danielflammia6460]

I was coughing from how hard I was laughing

[@VermillionRedd]

Aw shit

[@coreytaylor447]

super speed power will be named: "sliding into under age girl's dms" and the 'random chosen' ability will be: "RNGesus hates me"

[@hajidle]

And, most importantly, they're South Asian.

[@lordgaroro]

Ok now I want comics starring hurry curry

[@thegayghost872]

At least they don't have a character named "trigger warning"

[@somerandomidioticnerd9769]

...yet

[@tanneroneal5388]

Dont give them any ideas

[@bizzerdman2093]

This is the same Marvel that had an overweight character named butterball (Look him up).

[@nohrianscum9791]

Nah that's the name for an antagonist they fight.

[@alexsimpson284]

That's the villian "WATCH OUT, I'LL SHOOT YA! JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE COOL WITH IT"

[@m.b.5064]

It's like the most Southpark-thing Southpark never made.

[@snowflame4333]

Southpark had a musical scene called Safespace. It was brilliant.

[@fallofcamelot]

It’s what you get when you come from the perspective of “let’s write a non binary character” rather than “let’s write a character who is non binary.” Subtle difference but important.

[@principleshipcoleoid8095]

Human rights are important. This is some pre coronapocalipsys first world problem shit.

[@ksporty15]

You get a singular clap

[@jambalaya1779]

I don’t get it

[@Konpekikaminari]

@@jambalaya1779 in the first sentence, "non-binary" is the core aspect of the character In the second, it is just one of several traits

[@frauleinzuckerguss1906]

@@jambalaya1779 It's the thought process that makes a difference. If you think "I want a non-binary character doing this and that" it's a core part of their personality if you think "I want a character that like pancakes, goes for long walks, is non-binary and hates tomatoes" then it's just a trait instead of borderline tokenism

[@Cheffingtondathirdorso27]

Here's my French super hero A baguette snail eating frog waving a white flag while building a fort

[@bradenchock8541]

Or Francis

[@substantial8472]

His superpower is called tactical retreat

[@voidotter1435]

And is constantly smoking a long cigarette

[@allhailthemightyicecreamco5448]

Oui Oui Man

[@frozenweevil4022]

Yes

[@onyeijefamily5391]

This feels like the creators watched 1 ep of Steven Universe, didn't understand what made it work, and tried to replicate it to get woke points.

[@typemasters2871]

Yeah, someone who’s power is protective bubbles and main colour scheme is pink? I wonder where I have heard of that before *sarcasm*

[@sonicathehedgehog7488]

True

[@christopherbennett5858]

Oh the funny thing about this is that they're presented as a duo and non binary. Basically we're getting the issues that early Stevonnie had where they saw themselves as a hive mind of sorts rather than feminine NB.

[@everythingabouteverything3304]

Bad thing is I bet Snowflake is going to fuse with Safeplace to make Safeflake

[@sonicathehedgehog7488]

@@christopherbennett5858 that would be cool

[@sladerulez7695]

Allow me to introduce you to my first Mexican character: Trying to decide on naming him. Leaning towards Cartel, Farmer, and Taco.

[@ivanmegafanboy1981]

@Obadiah Guyman But we aren't muslims.

[@JosiahVarenkamp]

You could put them all together to make "The Taco Cartel Farmer" which actually has a nice ring to it. If only it wasn't completely racist.

[@stevestrangelove4970]

They would honestly love all of those names. I mean, Speedy Gonzales was pretty popular in mexico even so its a pretty xenophobic cartoon, but people loved it.

[@Agustina-em8ix]

Steve Strangelove Hi, mexican people loved Speedy Gonzalez bc of the character itself. Despite the stereotypical jokes about Mexico, it showed a good-hearted character who embraced everything good about mexican culture.

[@fajartsalatsa6206]

And his superweapon? Behold the "La Chancla". Superstereotype.

[@Scandal262]

The only good thing about this is that the phrase "Experimental Internet Gas" has been introduced to the world.

[@mennograafmans1595]

I shiver at that thought. I like my fantasy, as long as it works with the rules it has said for itself. And if you use the internet for something, at least know what you're talking about. Internet gas is a 40 y.o. trying to relate to teens in a "a wizzard did it" sort of way.

[@PengyDraws]

@@mennograafmans1595 True. Why not, uhh, a brain chip in his head? VR headset? Idk, it's like iron Man, but just the helmet lol

[@guytheincognito4186]

Seriously they could just have dog welder(Yes that's a real charater from old) that welded the kids smart phone to his face Because the lie pissed him off and there were no dog to weld to his face handy.(Yes dog welder welds dogs to peoples faces)

[@stephaniesheep1147]

*"eXpErImEnTaL iNtErNeT gAs"*

[@doukzu]

@@mennograafmans1595 exactly, it screams "am I cool yet". Off the top of my head maybe the kid was hooked up and experimented on as a test to see you can actually connect someone to the internet (perhaps it would be easier to hack into it this way), so they snatched this random kid off the streets, and instead of being "haha im so cool i can google anything super fast whee" it's actually traumatizing having literally the entire internet in your head. That sounds like a huge migraine.

[@genevievecharlotte3005]

These characters are just a poor attempt at making "diverse" characters but instead of actually researching and talking to LGBT people, they took some stereotypes from the internet and passed off using these terms as "reclaiming" and it's absolutely horrible

[@mirandadalgetty6441]

That’s exactly what they are.

[@ha111fly]

@Qwerty apparently not

[@MrHodoAstartes]

@Qwerty Nope. He's a bleeding heart liberal. Who is surrounded by his rich white friends who love to play at activism so long as they don't have to actually do anything.

[@purplefire2834]

+

[@hajidle]

@@MrHodoAstartes What happened lmao

[@Mister2j86]

Imagine having a universe where both Thanos and Safespace exists

[@conamus8757]

Mister2j86 the snap should have killed us all

[@gabrielasilva3561]

Thanos was right all along

[@snowflame4333]

The creator of Thanos actually uses his own safespace. He tried bashing Trump by making a character that actually made Trump look like a badass. It is sad that the creator of a great character has turned into such a petty individual.

[@MacroTheMans]

oh fuck

[@daniel4647]

@@snowflame4333 In what universe does Trump = Thanos? Do you think Trump is a lot like Sephiroth too? Brainiac? Glactus maybe? Sorry buddy but that's like saying that Batman makes me look like a badass, it makes no sense.

[@saurmandersauce8048]

It’s like having a black character named negro with racially stereotypical powers like running fast 💀

[@chrisredeo4847]

Saurmander Sauce 😂😂💀I know it’s fucked up but I laughed, but that’s basically what they are doing

[@tagrastic91]

So Fasto from Minoriteam?

[@Jinsoku440]

This got a chuckle out of me. Also, our subscriptions match up really well xD

[@russianname2986]

Or making an asian character named “Yellow Skin” and their power is being super smart

[@Cat-hz7yd]

IM GONNA SCREAM. I bet his favorite food is watermelon and his archnemisis is named Jim Crow.

[@smoogieboogie1694]

As a gay man, this just seems like the very, VERY awful conclusion of some things they’ve been doing for awhile now. They’ve been introducing LGBT or other minority reps not as characters, but as identities. Whenever they introduce one of these characters, they form their whole personality around their minority status because apparently they think that is representation. I just want characters who have actual character and just happen to be gay for example. And the thing is, we’ve also been shown that these newer characters can work when written well. After being given to other writers, previously one-note characters like Riri Williams or Bobby Drake (who was just written as “gay” while dropping every other story he could have) were way improved and I’m now big fans of theirs. But now we have Safespace and Snowflake and I’m just sighing and shaking my head because I thought we were past this.

[@zzzcocopepe]

They should intro a gay character like how they intro'd wolverine, as a hijink in the relationship of Jean and cyclops. Obviously that's kind of degrading to gay men still, but it's realistic. A lot of "straight" men have refused to acknowledge that they're bi and they're still on apps like grindr hooking up with gay men, playing head games and screwing with their emotions and self esteem.

[@smoogieboogie1694]

AntiangelRaphael yeah like I said Bobby definitely started off one note, but ever since Dawn of X started his sexuality has just been a part of him while his character has gone back to how it was. Now instead of being a ladies’ man, he’s a mans’ man, and that works pretty well for me.

[@selahanany5645]

@AntiangelRaphael idk many gay people become ladies men out of sheer denial. this is perfectly compatible with past comics.

[@zzzcocopepe]

@AntiangelRaphael I think it was definitely clunky how they handled Bobby. But I don't think there's anything wrong with making a fuss about someone's sexuality. If it is a big secret to that person, it should be a big deal when they finally come out

[@zzzcocopepe]

@@selahanany5645 yeah they call it a "beard" now, when a closeted guy has a girlfriend

[@justas423]

Either it's: 1. It's a direct joke or jab at LGBTQ+ 2. "Changing the name from meaning something bad into something cool" admits that they're just making these characters for clout (which they are)

[@Yora21]

Using an insulting term for yourself to defuse it certainly is a thing. But that only works if the people do it themselves. Other people calling them the insult and claiming it's meant to make them feel better is just wrong. That's harassment.

[@mustang6599]

Look at the writer - award winning writer for Stephen Colbert. Doesn't get any more left than that....

[@lasseheller9863]

@@mustang6599 please tell me you're joking

[@lovejotted]

Yeah, they're getting so much "clout". Good take, boss.

[@mustang6599]

@@lasseheller9863 Nope. Seriously, Stephen Colbert is Democrat, so his writers would have to be too. His whole Colbert Report was really a mocking of Republican views.

[@rabl3535]

You missed the literal “dora the explorer” they have in the team. This is beyond cringetopia.

[@paulclousier3856]

Do you mean THICC native Hermione granger ?

[@ilikegames828]

The only thing she explores is the refrigerator.

[@no-do4pv]

She has a magic backpack that can give her anything she wants Tbh she seems alot similar to doremon.

[@eduardaarrais]

@@no-do4pv dora the Explorer is an alien robot, confirmed

[@elmerelmtree7006]

Dora the Explorer really let herself go...

[@JoeChillton]

This seems like a bad Family Guy joke. Speedball is spinning in his grave now.

[@blackphoenix77]

Speedball's not dead tho....😂😂

[@palharaldrindal4871]

"Announcer voice" And here comes the modern heroes! Snowflake and Safespace! *Cue joke about being pussies*

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

Speedball be like *WE HAV REAHCED MXAIMUN VLELOCIPY*

[@RedwindAndBeyond]

Last time I saw him he was Penance.

[@humidgal]

Ali Hamad Qabazard specifically in ultimate alliance 2

[@jeangentry6656]

"Snowflake" has always been a toxic term, when not talking about actual snowflakes. In the Civil War Era, it was an insult towards those who were against freeing slaves. In the 1970s, it was an insult used to accuse a black person of "acting white". Today, It's used to insult someone who is seen as overly sensitive.

[@Sporkinator]

...and heroes that are overly sensitive cannot mentally handle saving the world.

[@lord_destros2188]

And think that they are super special or something on those lines

[@darylewalker6862]

And many uses of the last accusation are by those who are unknowingly in-context technically bigger “snowflakes.”

[@yasszone8694]

@@darylewalker6862 I would argue that it's not the case whatsoever since most of them say that to people who literally say "saying offensive jokes should be banned" and "hate speech isn't free speech" when they don't want to debate any different opinion whether it is a good opinion or a horrible one to have.

[@xthelegend89]

Yass Zone what he’s saying is the people who usually call someone a snowflake are usually overly sensitive about certain topics themselves.

[@karelrindo13]

Dude calling the first non binary hero "snowflake" is like calling the first black superhero "captain negro"

[@scarletphoenix6158]

Mochammad Karel OMG 😂

[@danielblue7913]

I felt that

[@lepokebloc4198]

Sorry, french guy here ! I don't understand what is wrong with the name, could you explain please ? ^^'

[@liablau]

Mochammad Karel I'm sobbing 😂

[@rex_melynas]

@@lepokebloc4198 it's a slur, with quite a heavy negative connotation

[@jesussuarez1011]

They’re like characters that someone would make ironically to mock the “SJW” community. And the backstories are so damn lazy.

[@Sporkinator]

Isn't that the entire point? Marvel's new characters are some of the funniest, most well-written satire/parody I have ever seen!

[@batnacks]

‘Experimental internet gas’

[@lukebytes5366]

Sporkinator I fucking hope that's the point.

[@christianfrazier7848]

I see where you’re coming from but these are the comics and lots of the comics are just like this

[@upg5147]

@@christianfrazier7848 That is absolutely not the way to look at this

[@palmerpatel6390]

Everyone is talking about Snowflake and Safespace, but can we talk about how lame the powers are? Even the least imaginative Jojo's Bizzare Adventure stand has cooler powers than this. Love jojo or hate it, you gotta admit the powers are creative and cool at least. Like King Crimson, Gold Experience, Bites The Dust, Tusk, Green Day, the list goes on. Even the lamest power is cooler than "experimental internet gas."

[@sassyitchqueen9027]

Actually when Hirohiko Araki made an ability for a Stand he is very experimental and he actually give it to the characters that might suit their personality and I like the fact that they have a cool abilities just like my favorite ones are Crazy Diamond, Gold Experience, Spice Girl, D4C, and Soft and Wet.

[@neenm4299]

I think Safespace's power is interesting. A self sacrificing power that maybe reflects its owner? I imagine that Safespace had to defend his sibling a lot during childhood. From peers and maybe even parents. Like, to comfort his sibling he would wear the same clothes as Snowflake (hence the skimpy get up). From the art it looks like Snowflake relies on their brother a lot. The names could have been given by the teens who saw their powers. Snowflake can create shurikens shaped like snowflakes. Safespace creates shields to protect other people. But I am probably hoping for too much. The moment that soy boy simp stated that Snowflake is non binary and nothing else... yea..

[@WCA_Arts]

Okay but ya gotta admit “Survivor” from Part 6 is a pretty lame ability. It just makes everyone around it aggressive and causes them to fight to the death... Wait that’s actually kind of epic. Nevermind, it’s still cooler than ‘Internet gas’ lol.

[@oceanman_8370]

Survivor from part 6 or cheap trick would've been better powers than whatever the hell screentime can do

[@usagijojo]

Araki is a brilliant mind who could make those lame powers seem really cool, interesting, and maybe even threatening. Kibblesmith is just some guy getting a quick paycheck as Marvel tries to flood the shelves with mass quantities of low-quality books.

[@thekrakenexperiment280]

I can easily see these two appearing in a future “20 worst forgotten marvel characters” listicle.

[@varelmarais2222]

LMAO

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

And i can see screentime appearing in the "TOP 5/10 worst and dumbest superpowers"

[@EngineerOfChaos]

@@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593 I personally feel he's one of the ones that could actually be interesting...if they used him correctly. He reminds me of Technomancers in Shadowrun and as a person that played one in a campaign, they can be very fun to write in the right setting. He could be salvaged...but that backstory is literal cringe.

[@lucasmontero1456]

They Will appear in a list in the next 3 seconds

[@matti.8465]

Along that one Spiderman sidekick

[@Top_Hat_Man]

"Shut Up, Snowflake." "Go Away, Safespace."

[@RathouseFilmworks]

"Piss off, D-pressed"

[@NeatNat]

@@RathouseFilmworks _"D-Pressed"_ I love that.

[@horseoperamarker]

@@RathouseFilmworks lmaoo

[@dollarama5604]

Run to your precious Safespace

[@yesyes-yf6jm]

@@RathouseFilmworks Thats hilarious.

[@Squatchy548]

This will unite us all against the true common enemy all people: out of touch writers

[@secretlyditto7716]

Spencer Wright Yes!

[@chaoticgoodcreations947]

It's like when the emoji movie got released and it united everyone into a single unifying voice that said "Wow that was terrible that was not good."

[@dragodx8238]

I immediately thought of Terrible Writing Advice

[@ChennieXi]

The color palette of the suits is really ugly. Maybe with some color a little less "bright", and hair and eyes that match both brother and sister. Idk. They look like two oc characters.

[@dasboom7133]

They said, “the kids like phantasy star online right??”

[@cookiebombcasualemail5284]

oc stands for original character these two are an insult to the more creative original characters lurking about fandom space

[@metropod]

Their suits just make me think they belong in a Pokémon game as ether gym trainers or on the villain team. Colors also hurt my eyes.

[@SharpDesign]

Not brother and sister, technically brothers if you go past the nonbinary stuff, the writer said "he"

[@ZZtheDark]

One of those instances that my EYES BLEED for the first time.

[@littleblueclovers]

If they were gonna go with “snowflake”, I wish they went for an absolute badass of a character like Storm from X-men. Just conjuring the entire sky to darken or cause blizzards or hail or what-have-you. Also don’t have the name be the focus. And there’s no way of saving “safespace”.

[@l.c.8475]

Someone came up with the alternative names Hail and Haven and they seriously make the characters so much better the "screw you I'm taking this insult for myself" angle only works if you actually understand the insults you're using, which in the case of snowflake they absolutely didn't...

[@lightbubba]

Sleet and Sanctuary. Rime and Refuge. Are these okay too?

[@vmoncur9846]

@@lightbubba Abso freaking lutely

[@ylijumala6314]

Frost and Fortress would have been neat too.

[@rex_melynas]

Netflix and Chill, are funny for the wrong reasons

[@StarshipVGer]

This genuinely sounds like an april fools joke. Reading an article about this, it's clear the writer has no idea what real teenagers and real LGBTQ+ people are like. *Cringe factor is over the top*

[@SteveCarras]

The archetypal Prius car drivers are the characters snowflake ❄️ and safe space 😂

[@natto4now]

That's like calling professor x being called Wheels Or daredevil being called Blinde

[@ponybraddock2144]

well wolverine did it in x-men

[@uncannydcmarvelous5732]

@@ponybraddock2144 As a mockery nickname though, not as an official codename.

[@WhiteRaven696]

There actually IS a wheelchair-bound character in Marvel called Wheels; Wheels Wolinski of both the Wolfpack and the Occupy Avengers. He’s from the 80’s.

[@humavenado6401]

No, is not. It's much worse.

[@IvoryDelfin]

@@WhiteRaven696 well, the 80's were just full of yikes anyway

[@Quirky_Robo]

The new vampire character "B-Negative" has a decent design but stupid name,like what's next "D-pressed?"

[@monthly.girls.digital8728]

D-pressed sounds like a striper from a rundown stripe club.

[@Mr.Boy112]

_ Quirky_ B-Negativ and screentime if changed a bit could be cool heroes.

[@Necromancer1230]

Honestly I actually find the blood type name pun to be actually kind of charming personally.

[@RocKnight11]

All the cool vampire names have already been taken.

[@TheTallGuy1992]

sounds like a bad Saturday morning cartoon villain

[@trucetruce335]

I’m honestly disappointed that these characters were wasted being meant to take seriously. Screentime and especially B Negative would be absolute *masterpieces* in something ironic

[@YOOT_JJ]

true, although it B Negative's bio was written a little better and went more in depth, i think he could be an actual intriguing character.

[@ClockworkChandelure]

B Negative would make for a great "teen that tries to be edgy but actually is kinda pathetic" type of character. An arc about his emotional growth could save hus character imo.

[@villaimouse]

I feel like if B Negative had a better design that didn't make my eyes bleed he wouldn't be that bad

[@jerrymathewninan6739]

I still feel like this is supposed to be ironic. I mean, no writer could be as literal minded and out of touch like this.

[@hawktalon7890]

B-Negative looks like a low-rent early 2000's Gerard Way crossed with Shadow the Hedgehog and I can't get over that.

[@Redrosewitch]

I'm a white, straight, cis-gendered woman and I can totally see why non-binary people don't like these characters. It's like they're being patted on the head, as they're presented with a nice little present. I don't like being 'pandered to' with female characters. And we've had too many of those recently. (The most recent really well crafted female characters I've seen are the puppet characters in Dark Crystal - Age of Resistance). I actually don't give a damn what a character's sex, race, sexuality or gender is. Yes, a variety's good. But what I care about is that the character's well written. Am I drawn in by them? Am I positively gagging to get to know them and follow their story? If the answer's yes, then if I find out that this person is non-binary, then, OK, cool. Tell me more. But this pair in particular, don't even come close.

[@woahitswinter1394]

Redrosewitch exactly. Having a major character who was always intended to be non-binary, and then naming them “snowflake” it’s like making an Asian character and naming them “Super ChingChongman”

[@LuciferMorningstar-ue8bq]

Karen

[@hajidle]

@@LuciferMorningstar-ue8bq Somebody being a white female that's tolerant of other people doesn't make them a Karen. Fuck off, because nobody wants you here. This is why nobody loves you btw.

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

An example I love is the show Supergirl's Nia Nal. She's established in the season that I personally think is the best, 4, and season 4 deals with prejudice against aliens (basically what xmen is meant to symbolize with mutants). Nia is introduced in episode 1, and is set up as a great character with great writing. She's just set up the same as every other great character on the show had, basically being like Kara from season 1 but a bit better written. Then, in one of the last scenes in the episode, as the main conflict is resolved, she reveals that she's trans. It was an amazing moment for me as another trans girl and shes one of my icons. And that's how you handle that kind of character

[@xxrawrgameremo98xx86]

I agree. It's important to have diversity in WELL-WRITTEN, MULTI-DIMENSIONAL AND FLESHED OUT CHARACTERS. Making a character black, or non-binary, or gay, or this or that is not merely enough for us to give Marvel the satisfaction of a pat on the back.

[@Oliviagarry69420]

When all political sides agree that the new warriors is bad!

[@Oliviagarry69420]

Like I haven’t seen anything like this since the Heathers mini series!!

[@snitchbug]

being lgbt is not political and getting pissed at people making fun of you is not political

[@keonbush6135]

@@snitchbug It becomes political when the target of social commentary is aimed and used by a particular political side. That being said you're right, it's more social than political however politics govern most of what we do so there's some truth that it can still be considered political especially in today's blended politics.

[@starropenisthe4th786]

Austin C it is political now bc of the idiots on both sides making it political 😭

[@crowthewicked8344]

Unity in hate!

[@krieg5858]

It's like naming your first homosexual hero "Captain Gay"

[@zzzcocopepe]

More like naming him "Captain Butthurt" and then claiming you named him that as a compliment.

[@nexusgiga]

The young avengers character Wiccan was called asgardian. And sell they def made fun of that in universe

[@silcrow4045]

That could still be hilarious if written by a gay dude/dudette

[@silcrow4045]

He could actually be hilarious! Make him make puns and shit and then voila you actually have a character. These characters are just bad.

[@MuljoStpho]

"Ace and Gary" come to mind, here. (SNL's recurring animated sketch "The Ambiguously Gay Duo". (Do they still do that one?))

[@mait4051]

They could’ve just made normal superheroes with genuine hero names and powers, that identify as non-binary. They don’t have to wave their identities around. Like you said, the way marvel presented the characters seems more like a parody. It’s ridiculous.

[@noahmccullers3397]

this makes me want to write a no binary character but instead of saying it, I'll just use they/them pronouns and hope readers catch on

[@aileenzhao7951]

@@noahmccullers3397 the current mood when you want to write/draw for an entertainment company just to see something done right

[@LordFang1217]

@@aileenzhao7951 Since everything is on lockdown it's a great time to start an entertainment company. Nothing else to do with your time.

[@taragnor]

I don't know. I mean non-binaries that I've seen in general kind of wave their identities around, so I guess it's not that far from reality. The standard transgenders seem to try their best to blend in, while the non-binaries kind of seem to aspire to stand out. Though granted, I'm not really familiar with non-binary in general, so maybe that's not the case with all of them, but isn't that sort of the point of non-binary to create a bunch of weird gender-clashing things?

[@victorthecollector9198]

@@taragnor That's kinda rude dude. Not all of us are trying to stand out, but when our identities are basically seen as non existent we kinda have to speak loud about it because otherwise you're just going to continue pretending wee don't exist.

[@masterzoroark6664]

I'm insulted as an artist, those designs look garbage.

[@lemon_956]

Kacper Bywalec You’re so right

[@ll-eg4se]

Those designs are boring. There is so many other designs that could maybe forgive the stereotyping but no

[@bryanmerel]

Its intentional. Crap design means easy to draw, meaning they can make this comics with the least of efforts.

[@Doggcereal]

Idk maybe it's just me but the green tech guy looks like a ben10 spin off? Also everyone has their own color to match their power 1:27 so why does the girl in the right have a mix of colors they have already used? They could've used yellow or orange

[@tootiredforurbs2878]

righttt thats like the first thing i noticed its so bad (,:

[@rafaynoman1180]

Imagine if there was a black superhero and he called himself *igga to end racism.

[@largestink4414]

Bigga?

[@outbacksteakhouseofficial]

honestly I like that way better than snowflake and safe space

[@iBloodxHunter]

There is one, it's called "black lightning" because a pun is really good for representation. Quit putting faith in companies.

[@harz632]

@@iBloodxHunter He would have to say it with er not with an a though

[@zachtemoro2116]

That sounds like a boondocks character and now I wanna see that superhero

[@elbownio5820]

They sound like they were pitched by a conservative political cartoonist

[@valeriarossini543]

that's why I thought the comic was going to be some unfunny satire, but nope! It seems theyre being serious

[@emorse912]

Nah this is some liberal high horse attempt to pretend being insightful. This was their honest attempt. Look into the writer, I can assure you he is not a conservative.

[@chongjunxiang3002]

@@emorse912 more like they are creating bait to response to today's easily trigger talking head such as No Bullshit... too bad nobody watch No Bullshit anymore lol

[@frauleinzuckerguss1906]

Sounds like a Boomer cartoonist belonging to the likes of "I hate my wife. Father I cannot click the book."

[@KicksPregnantWomen]

erik morse even liberals hate it

[@incitossol]

At least B-Negative looks like he’ll be fun. If only cause he’s basically TAS Morbius.

[@jameszetterman4487]

I need more plasma!

[@bizzerdman2093]

Is he gonna become a bat monster later?

[@some_guy117]

Hopefully he’ll be fun because if not he’ll have the lamest edgy name and design I’ve seen in awhile

[@zombies4evadude24]

I thought it was a she...

[@booyah344]

@@jameszetterman4487 DAMN IT 10 Hours to late

[@C1audin]

That’s like naming the first female character captain uterus and having her powers be making really good sandwiches

[@eglantinepapeau1582]

She has a staff shaped as the female symbol ♀︎

[@scarlett8782]

or really good at getting abortions - I forgot how insane this was

[@kark4138]

WAIT THEY'RE NOT JOKES?I THOUGHT THEY WERE SATIRE OR SOMETHING LMAOO

[@mr.filmandwatch6667]

Tambor same

[@IvoryDelfin]

well idk you but marvel's decisions are a joke to me

[@renaissancenerd3801]

Tambor I wish it was

[@christopherbennett5858]

Unfortunately, Satire is the "go-to-excuse" if you mess up.

[@twinkshoplifter]

Same here,when I saw Screentime I thought it was a fan-made superhero that people make when they're a kid

[@thegirlwhowaited6316]

The colors are so bright, it hurts my eyes. They look like froyo.

[@MrHodoAstartes]

Ahaha! And here's my new Icelandic character with ice powers! Fear the mighty Froyo!

[@croetrop2600]

Except Froyo tastes good, these new character taste like bad design

[@NeatNat]

K now I want Froyo

[@KK-hd1jw]

Three of the characters have pretty much the same exact HIDEOUS pink. Like, why??!!

[@fla8623]

Yeah because the non-binary people usually have those hair colors

[@noahmccullers3397]

Honestly modern marvel has had its problems with lgbt heroes. Like America Chavezz and Iceman read pretty stereotypical (at least to me) to the point where had the writers not been part of the lgbt community, they'd have been roasted. But this tops both of them and the writer isn't non binary, so he's just gonna get blasted on every angle

[@aidanquiett668]

@Male Ivy Yeah, not sure why marvel is seen as pro LGBT when they just make random characters gay at the drop of a hat and everyone screams about how amazing they are doing cause of it

[@WinstonPoptart]

You think being part of the LGBT community makes you safe from criticism? That's stupid

[@noahmccullers3397]

@@WinstonPoptart A straight white guy would certainly get hit harder for writing America Chavezz like that and get rightfully asked if they've ever been around gay people or latinas.

[@noahmccullers3397]

@@aidanquiett668 Hulkling and Wiccan were pretty good. I know the "forced diversity" line gets eye rolls but one point that crowd has (some are genuine about it and other's aren't) is that characters that aren't "forced" are more than the group they represent. Naming a character based off of culture war bullshit just attaches them to the identity, it's liking having a heterosexual man called "dudebro"

[@KillerTacos54]

I agree!

[@owlleep6047]

Screentime is just literally ben ten, the backback girl is Dora, the red hair guy is just some e-boy. Snowflake and Sadespace are just selfexplanitory. This is all so perfect

[@snowflame4333]

The trashy reboot of Ben 10 which dares to ruin the original series.

[@hajidle]

@@snowflame4333 The reboot is so bad I stg

[@eanrollins3443]

@@hajidle It's not really that bad. Not as good as the original but it could be worse. It could be the Devil May Cry reboot.

[@sonictennyson2201]

Screentime is Redditor Ben 10

[@kirschitz64]

@@snowflame4333 Benjamin 11

[@angusmcnay5449]

I'm sure the creator felt really clever and original.

[@moriskurth628]

And if Marvel's previous behaviour is any indication, they'll put these two Caricatures on a pedestal and stand behind the creator in an incredibly blind maneuver. Didn't they recently force Comic Book Stores to run this junk? I wouldn't be surprised if they did. But well, with Disney Stock now crumbling, and profits ftom movies and parks not coming in, and Marvel being owned by Disney, this kind of trash is hopefully on its way out.

[@Mabasei]

Moris Kurth crumbling? Bitch that’s a side effect of covid19 not Disney as a company they as an entity will be fine.

[@TJbutLag]

Oh there's a video of him explaining each character and he kisses his own ass so hard he comes up with brown lipstick

[@viscountrainbows6452]

@@TJbutLag OD'ed on the "internet gas" 😹

[@shostysboo]

The creator himself said he was “intimidated” by the old New Warriors....like sir, they’re drawings????

[@dacrasherz4866]

"Internet gas" Sounds more like recorded fart

[@glowkirby]

Internet gas is actually Soundcloud

[@tiamystic]

Gamer girl farts

[@italia689]

KZbin comment section?

[@1r0zz]

@@italia689 KZbin soapboxing.

[@TokiSenju]

comedy fuckin gold my guy good job 🤣

[@rodney2x48]

Who thought it was a good idea to name the non-binary characters “Snowflake and Safespace”? Like, wow. I thought these were parody characters at first, but nope.

[@dragoninventor]

@th3 Envyp Do you have anything better to do than replying to every comment on this video spewing bigotry? Look, if you wanna be a boomer and not stick with the times, fine. But just please stop spamming your ignorance throughout the entire comment section. Stating your opinion is fine, just be wary when what you are saying could potentially hurt people. I acknowledge that this entire comment may be ironic in itself, considering what I am saying could be interpreted as being a snowflake. Whatever, roast me away. Does it really cause any trouble to you that some people are non binary? Even if you consider it a mental health issue, which it isn't, so what? Does stating it as such really make a difference? Sorry for the overblown speech of a response, at the end of the day, we're just internet strangers. We can agree to disagree, just let's try not to potentially harm other with our own beliefs. Good day!

[@wooyeah1738]

Like, I’m genderfluid, I’ve been called a snowflake before. Why would I “try to be special”? I don’t want attention, I just want to be a dude some days and a gal others. And for some odd reason, that’s an issue with some people, which I will never understand

[@Sporkinator]

I'm convinced that these new characters are 100% satire/parody. Otherwise, they wouldn't have a reason to exist.

[@lord_destros2188]

Anyone who is either non-binary or genderfluid or whatever other terms there are can I ask one question: do you do this by choice or is it like gender dysphoria? Anf if it is by choice then why? I hope that someone responds because I want to know more about these topics

[@GLXY23]

@@wooyeah1738 so basically if you wanted a genderfluid character, you just wanted that character that happens to be a genderfluid rather than making it a selling point?

[@Jeff_denHartog]

"So Marvel, where do these New Warriors live?" Marvel: Oh yes, in a city on the coast of Japan called Tsunami..

[@TGPDrunknHick]

not merutdown?

[@maraj8038]

@@Hakeemhasadream ...

[@Bill-Watterson]

“They live in a small city called Loli”

[@somenolifeloser.7752]

Fatman?

[@jordanloux3883]

This sounds like a bad twitter joke...

[@DeathbyPixels]

That’s what I thought it was originally.

[@Creocist]

It sounds like a good 4chan joke tbh

[@oppakunn328]

Sounds like a joke Gum Girl would have made

[@river8803]

Snowflake and Safespace sound like Robot Chicken parody characters

[@thisistheaccountname]

Bitch Pudding.

[@omega-rattrap]

I bet the folks at DC Comics are laughing knowing that Extrano is no longer the worst “positive” representation of LGBTQ+ characters in comics.

[@comixproviderftw_02]

Never heard of him

[@e.n8461]

@@comixproviderftw_02 good it is for the better

[@Nx57ytre]

As I recall, "Extraño" was fixed a few years ago ... I mean, he's still gay and looks like Doctor Strange, but he's no longer a horrible stereotype.

[@nlpnt]

DC has a lot of omission, like how the latest reboot of Shazam never mentions that Freddy's a survivor of a right-wing terrorist attack.

[@monchete9934]

@@comixproviderftw_02 Well, imagine every terrible gay stereotype on a single character. There you have it, that's Extrano.

[@lintanglintang6342]

Lgbtq+ community: what makes these characters interesting for us? Marvel: they're nonbinary and gender non-conforming Lgbtq+ community: okay nice, but what makes these characters interesting for us? Marvel: uh... they're nonbinary and gender non-conforming Lgbtq+ community: yes we already know that Marvel: Lgbtq+ community: Marvel: Lgbtq+ community: so what makes these characters interesting for us?

[@helpiamstuckonthismanshead3385]

I thought thats all they cared about are they evolving to understand good writing??

[@MFBooks-gy5nz]

I find it funny where the adults in the Marvel Universe complain about the young heroes being inexperienced and not well trained, and yet the do nothing to change that! Not even the heroes do anything! You’d think at this point they’d have at least something sorted out to fix that. Something like they did in the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon, where all the young heroes were being trained by SHEILD to be better.

[@bizzerdman2093]

They have tried multiple times. The initiative, avengers academy, the schools in the X-Men books and currently doctor strange's magic School.

[@MFBooks-gy5nz]

bizzerd man all that and it’s still a f*cking problem?!?! I mean I know they’re not prefect and everyone can be a bit territorial, but come on!

[@commonviewer2488]

@@MFBooks-gy5nz These schools keep getting forgotten, making sure whatever heroes in training there are never become full-fledged heroes

[@aidanquiett668]

Ultimate Spider-Man did it perfectly IMO, especially with the reveal of deadpool and Agent Venom. Admittedly it makes it kinda laughable when you consider that they are supposed to all be lead by spider man, possibly the least capable of them, but it makes for a good team dynamic

[@dagoblinwizard]

they kinda did that with the xmen but then it got cancelled and the characters ended up going nowhere because no-one in comics is allowed to grow smh

[@Jonseycat79]

I first heard about it in a text I thought my friend made up those names and was joking around , looked it up and found out from Marvel's own site it was real... I understand trying to take power away from a negative term and make it empowering but this was not the way to do it. You wouldn't see someone try this with a black hero and the N word because people know better than that. Like you said this feels like parody, insulting of those they want to include, and hope this works out but man people fell asleep at the wheel somewhere to let it get this far.

[@matti.8465]

Appropiating words isn't something you can just do instantly, it takes a lot of people and a long time for the meaning of a word to change in the general conciousness. You can't just go "I'm gonna become a superhero and call myself this insulting word so people start associating it with me instead!", it does NOT work like that, it has the opossite effect.

[@russianname2986]

I thought the exact same thing when I saw someone bring up their names in the comments on Cr1tikal’s video about this

[@linkl.e]

Matt I. exactly, and actually the people who the word is charged against, not some rando guy trying to be fake woke.

[@AscendedBeyond]

Oh my Lord could you imagine a new black superhero calling themselves the n-word what a nightmare

[@doesntmatter2467]

@@AscendedBeyond It would honestly almost be better then this because at least we've had popular black superhero's before and at least taking back the word is a thing people have been doing.

[@vijeomasher9154]

When even Comic Drake, a known defender of awful Marvel comics, find this insulting, you know that this is serious.

[@kevintanza6968]

Yep, I think this is rock bottom for Marvel.

[@Yasuda9000]

Yep.

[@nosehairsoffury2067]

Yep! That's saying something right there.

[@TheStarBot]

They weren’t awful tho

[@reddemon13xz]

He’s still okay with iceman being destroyed

[@blondemaverick]

Agent: So what's the pitch? What're his superpowers? Writer: Aight. Get this... I know it'll rattle some cages, but he's straight. Agent: Okay... and his power? Writer: Being a man. Agent: ... Superhero identity? Writer: The Guy! Big, capital letters!

[@hajidle]

What?

[@TheGreatBackUpVIDEOS]

@@hajidle I think they're swapping it around to make it sound as ridiculous to straight, cis, white men as it does when Marvel does...whatever this video was on about.

[@muddashucka9743]

Come on, you can do better than that. If you're going to make a stereotypically cishet character, portray them as a risk-averse, rule following square (a person considered to be old-fashioned or boringly conventional in attitude or behaviour).

[@noahdelafuente]

Theory: by making the characters hated by literally everyone , it’s promoting unity through hate (This is a joke don’t send me deaththreats again please)

[@mrnubnub4584]

*Sending death threats to your PO box at IgotPTSDfromtheinternet Rd.

[@lawrenceperry957]

@@mrnubnub4584 ...Again?!

[@tryinoproductions5374]

@@lawrenceperry957 people are crazy

[@dontacrowder4319]

Joke? Maybe. Smart? Not bad.

[@reidheidler5138]

I mean... it checks out.

[@OliveHater69]

The creator of these characters was a "humor editor" for Buzzfeed. Sound about right😂

[@MrVlad12340]

Jebozman he was supposed to edit HUMOR, not to create a TUMOR.

[@lazymansload520]

Not a humor writer, but an editor. What the hell does a “humor editor” even do?! Is that like a censor of some kind? All I’m seeing is some Joe McCarthy-esque fella looking over someone’s standup routine and deciding which jokes have to go.

[@dougsmith6262]

The guy behind this cluster fuck of a comic no shit said the New Warriors of the 90s intimidated/was "too cool" for him as a kid with their superhero physiques. I can't imagine being so fragile that I'm self conscious because of the mere fictional depiction of people bigger and better looking than me.

[@lord_destros2188]

Doug Smith thats... just sad who knew people could such thin skin other than the toxic people on the left and right

[@shadowsovereign4948]

Doug Smith that’s so stupid, the reason I watch or read any action media is because they are more badass or cooler than I am.

[@djbubblegum9975]

Man when they said Screentime got his powers from "internet gas" on the announcement video I started laughing

[@benrussell-gough1201]

Yeah, I know. This HAS to be some kind of parody or, worse still, a practical joke on the writer's part that Marvel's editorial board is taking seriously because... well, stupidity on their part.

[@supercoolsunday]

CakeFarts was the original internet gas.

[@principleshipcoleoid8095]

Oh... His (dad?) created drugs... Oh no...

[@missjayspeechley9213]

I'm a pansexual trans woman, and when I heard about these new characters I was like, "Marvel, WTF are you doing?" Yes the rainbow community would like representation, but basing a character's identity solely on sexuality and/or gender identity..... this ain't it.

[@hawktalon7890]

Sadly professional writers will never seem to understand that. :(

[@missjayspeechley9213]

@@TheSkullConference Well, I did get lucky and found myself an enbie who is really good with pots and pans. But that's not what excites me about them ;) People who are pansexual can be attracted to people of any gender, but gender is not a determining factor in attraction. Or simply put, attracted to hearts, not parts

[@planebreach]

@@missjayspeechley9213 So ... bisexual ? There is no need for reinventing terms in order to fit your postmodern gender ideology. Bisexual is good enough.

[@rai.2876]

@@planebreach if someone's feelings about their sexuality is different enough from one they are allowed to use another label to describe it more accurately even if being bi and pan are "technically" the same at the end of the day they're just labels whether you agree with them or not and that's ok

[@planebreach]

@@rai.2876 well i am not an ideolog so ... no ... i don't agree ... and find it laughable ... You can use the same postmodern logic to deconstruct basically everything and reinvent language. And that woudn't be much of a problem if people weren't forced to participate in this nonsense. The latest example is the teacher from the british elite school who was fired for daring to question the megagender nonsense. If an ideology has to be protected with censorship and smears and can't stand against criticism ... then this ideology is full of crap. A lesson learned from history.

[@kangdide]

I hate where they have diverse characters instead of charecters who happen to be diverse. If that makes any sense

[@philmp6]

To quote Miles "I want to be known as Spider-Man, not Black Spider-Man"

[@slashandbones13]

Makes perfect sense.

[@ShadowEclipex]

This is exactly how it should be done.

[@linkl.e]

i know,, this is not how we normalize diversity. you know the creator doesnt care because he didnt review with people who are actually from those groups. hes just trying to score with his skewed vision of what the young population in 2020 is.

[@stiddleficks4044]

philmp6 where’s this quote from?

[@seancompton4721]

Isn't this just like when DC made the new guardians in the 90s to address "current issues" and they did that by having them fight a neonazi vampire that gives you AIDs

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

Hey, that comic gave us the miracle that is SNOWFLAME, THE VILLAIN THAT RUNS ON COCAINE!!! SNOWFLAME FEELS NO PAIN!

[@gmlg]

That thing still works for satire or "so bad is good". Floronic Man later tried to conquer the world using super enginered weed. Plus, Snowflame Coke man

[@Mochitachi70]

@@keiichimorisato98 Nah, only one of them was gay. The other men were a cyborg and a tree-man, meaning only the women could breed.

[@lord_destros2188]

Mochitachi70 which wouldn't work either

[@noodlepoodle3582]

As someone who doesn’t read comics, these replies are blowing my fucking mind

[@memelicker6437]

When I first saw Screentime I actually thought it was a joke and then when I figured out it was real I laughed ...and then cried.. and then I read his bio... “internet gas”.. and his power is.. he doesn’t have a superpower he just has goggles and can “google anything instantly” hahaha hahahahaha what the hell

[@blackphoenix77]

How is that even a power??? Anyone can use Google on their phone! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@voidlooksback]

@@blackphoenix77 I guess he doesn't have to type and the correct information gets presented to him? I have no clue.

[@memelicker6437]

Black Phoenix I honestly don’t know.. it also says he’s obsessed with memes so I can’t wait to see all the outdated references in the comic..

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

Come on BRUH at least give screentime technokinetic/technopatic or Extremely good hacking skills even my aunt can google stuff

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

@@memelicker6437 oh boy i can feel they're going to put dead and unfunny memes whenever screentime talk or worse whatever the SJWs finds funny

[@patchyfish1]

As a Nonbinary person... I'm disappointed that Marvel even thought this was okay in any sense. I'd rather have no representation then it be this.

[@dtllmpn]

This seems like the outcome of a boomer trying to write gen z characters.

[@VVabsa]

The guy is a millenial, not a boomer.

[@gghost166]

I bet one bad guy will be Boomer, a old man who is secretly an oil tycoon who can cause gas and oil to explode with his mind. And he's hired some sort of crazy NRA guy to run his security team.

[@56postoffice]

I'm a boomer and I'm ashamed to say that this seems to be the case. Someone who is trying hard to be *'down with the kids'.* 😔

[@richmcgee434]

@@56postoffice I dodged that age group cutoff by about two years, but yeah, this reminds me of the way comics tried to be "hip" in the late 60s/early 70s with a bunch of clueless older guys (and it was almost all guys back then) trying to write stories about hippies and counterculture and generation gaps and whatever other buzzwords they'd come across. The early Teen Titans books were particularly horrid/hilarious examples, but the trend cropped up everywhere in that era.

[@harryscott2955]

Big “hello fellow kids” vibe

[@pw3359]

In the UK in the 50s the term "snowflake "was a derogatory name for black people.

[@cortomaltese5206]

What the hell

[@hajidle]

What the hell

[@Carbon-cringe-human]

What the hell

[@ferbthegreat8679]

What the hell

[@scipioafricanus133]

What the hell

[@suttercane6088]

"Do not quote me on this." - Comic Drake

[@principleshipcoleoid8095]

Nice. Also, are you advocate of male and female humans having human rights?

[@angellacosta1183]

Can we all appreciate how everyone banned together to show how distasteful this is?

[@snowflame4333]

Watch Southpark - Safespace and you see how funny this truly is.

[@angelortiz5353]

I know this is late but yes.

[@anitanielsen1061]

banded*

[@muddashucka9743]

*banded

[@YeagerBomb-ww3bn]

At least we have a replacement for toilet paper now.

[@sonicathehedgehog7488]

Lol

[@rasheedqe]

savage

[@graceyl.195]

Lmao

[@sonicathehedgehog7488]

@@graceyl.195 yep

[@majortom331]

Just wet it and forget it ! 😆

[@GabrielGarciaF]

The fact that you are a straight cis white man doesn't mean you can't talk about this kind of stuff. I'm gay and Ia totally agree with you..

[@ClockworkChandelure]

Yeah. We need to get rid of this ide that you need to be a specific minority to talk about their issues. Of course being gay or black or trans would give someone more perspective on those issues, but it doesn't mean that a white cishet dude can't be informed on them all the same and offer his opinion. For example, I'm no albino but I'm extremely passionate about anti albino discrimination in India and sub saharan Africa.

[@fredithegeroo906]

As a trans man, I second this. I have many different types of characters, and quite a few of them happen to be marginalized groups. BUT; I happened to make CHARACTERS. Not STEREOTYPES. First, there's Stephen. He is an explorer, an excellent archer, he's fast, and incredibly kind in nature. He happens to be mixed; he's half black. But his race only matters when I draw him. Story wise? Nope. Next is Rhonda. She's a doctor; earned her degree. She's an adopted mother, and very sporty; she loves soccer as a hobby. She happens to be lesbian. This only is apparent when she's with her partner, Chloe. Then there's Nat. Nat is tall, he loves to crack jokes, he is chill in nature, but is an extreme exercise jockey. No big shocker, he's strong. Nat happens to be a trans man, post op. He doesn't act or talk like the cliche. Hell, even in drawing him, Nat doesn't look anything like the Tumblr fetishization of trans people. Because that isn't realistic. It is fine to have marginalized CHARACTERS, but you have to put thought into their CHARACTER. The marginalized attributes are an afterthought. Like when people get to know me, or talk with friends, they say stuff like "Oh, that's just Luciano. He's an artist, and plays the piano. He's the short guy over there." While finding out that I'm transgender would merely be an afterthought, because I don't push it. I merely brought it up here to prove this is ridiculous. It's possible to salvage designs, but to make the names insults doesn't help anything. Period. Hell; the abilities sound cool. Being able to summon ice crystals to create ninja stars? Why not reflect that? Because being a twin, I will tell you that we don't wear the same things. Period. We stopped that trend when we were about 5. I've seen some epic redesigns. Marvel, get TRULY Woke; this means put ACTUAL THOUGHT into these characters, and make their differences not the only thing about them. Kinda like how my friends see me. I'm not seen as the one trans guy in the friend group. I'm a guy friend who happens to be trans. Even still, there's more to me. There needs to be more, of Marvel refuses to fix the names at the very least. There are some badass names I've seen people come up with, and some kickass redesigns. But if even that's too, add MORE TO THEM other than the fact that Snowflake is Nonbinary; what type of person are they like? What is their homelife? What is their relationship with their brother? What kind of friends? Kinda like in Ant Man and the Wasp, we actually see times of Ant Man being himself, outside of being a hero. You know... what he's like. It's a neat contrast, and interesting to see. Snowflake would be no different here. Because just making characters like this walking stereotypes is worse than leaving them out entirely, because stereotyping people is making fun of them. I for one take time to develop my characters all the same. Because that's all I think of when making them; character. Your race, sex, gender identity, age, you get the point, are facts about you. Making a whole character's existence based on one trope or stereotype is *never* a good idea.

[@Born2Fight4PAIN]

@@fredithegeroo906 find a bridge

[@alexh6767]

Agreed, it's a bit odd to declare your sexuality, then go on to say you were born without gender dysphoria, then say the obvious that you're white, is very odd, like it makes any difference on your opinion

[@Jasonwolf1495]

I'm just surprised Screen-time wasn't also ADHD autism spectrum as well. Neurological mental health conditions seem to be the only topic not covered in these characters. I'm glad it isn't I'm pretty sick and tired of all autistic characters being robots and ADHD meaning you're just annoyingly chatty and nosey, and that would be the best case scenario if they tried to do that here.

[@sparklynarwhal7158]

@IAN HEINE Yeah. As someone with autism, THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS FOR FUCKS SAKE.

[@thealientree3821]

Nah! If that happen, they’ll be a villain, associated with vaccines, and must be killed with bleach. He’d also be extremely dumb, sociopathic, not functional at all, flaps his arms all the time to activate his ability, and incredibly lazy. Oh yeah! He’d also be a robot.

[@honeygal2191]

OH! And he must like TRAINS because...... TRAINS

[@snowflame4333]

I do not mind being compared to someone like Sheldon Cooper. A scientist, has money to buy comics, games and everything he wants. He actually has functional relationships with friends, his wife and family.

[@usermcskull4713]

I kinda hate when characters have ADHD in fiction, I mean I'm happy to be represented but I don't like being reminded about my biggest problem in life

[@robertharris6860]

they're evolving but backwards

[@jorgejimenez5669]

Thats like naming an african american hero "jim crow" 💀

[@hadomaru]

Well marvel is owned by Disney...

[@saddaddytentacles9897]

Ma’am, this is a Wendy’s

[@Straven93]

Just wait until they introduce their parental figure Uncle Tom

[@Zeverinsen]

Even that would've been better, because you could've given him an actual back story related to the original story and racial discrimination. He could've chosen that name for a bold reason that could've worked. Safespace and snowflake is just ridiculous.

[@cjdunham7979]

@@Zeverinsen There actually was such a character, in The Invisibles by Grant Morrison.

[@donmusik2691]

The problem is not "gngngn forced diversity" it's a case of "I'm trying to make diverse, but I didn't do my job right and nobody from the non-binary black folks I'm trying to represent put feedback on it because I didn't ask for any"

[@starropenisthe4th786]

Don Musik it is forced bc there using the non binary thing as like something very important and the only thing interesting bout them

[@neonwallacewells7818]

They created an identity and an orientation before they created a character.

[@tyronechillifoot5573]

@@neonwallacewells7818 they do that for every character

[@hookyhook6006]

I also think k this could be a case of the writers purposefully making these characters disgustingly bad as a “f*ck you” to people who want legit representation in the franchise.

[@ShadowEclipex]

@@tyronechillifoot5573 Which usually isn't how you make good characters.

[@henriqueabreu9706]

Can we also talk about the stupid obvious reason behind the color scheme? "How can we show Snowflake and Safeplare are non-binary? LET'S MAKE HIM WEAR PINK AND THEY WEARS BLUE!!! THAT'S SO REVOLUTIONARY!!" By God, that's stupid

[@patrickdees5256]

Yeah. And their names are just cringy.

[@henriqueabreu9706]

@@patrickdees5256 Yeah... Looks like they're out of ideas for names and the writers just throw the first and obvious thing that represents their powers. "Makes force fields? SAFEPLACE! Controls ice? SNOWFLAKE!" I mean, anyone with a little effort can create better names than that. (And I can't handle Screentime, looks like he was created by someone who doesn't know how internet works)

[@bugjams]

Plus by making Safespace a cis man, large and buff, wearing pink, it just makes Snowflake look like a woman. Even though they're not. But they're literally labeled as "opposites" by the creators themselves, so everyone is going to see the big, strong, pink man and come to the obvious conclusion that the "opposite", a small, smooth, blue person, is the woman. They could've just made them both non-binary and this issue would've been averted entirely. Or they could've made _neither_ of them non-binary, and instead have Safespace be a woman and Snowflake be the guy. Both of them would've been gender non-conforming. People usually don't picture female superheroes as large, heavy, and muscular, or male heroes as being small and fragile. That would've at least been a neat idea. But no. Just make _one_ of them non-binary and completely ruin any thematic purpose they had going for them.

[@lord_destros2188]

Actually I'm pretty sure safe space is the non-binary one

[@megzarie]

Personally, I think the character designs for Snowflake and Safespace are overall just bad. I dont have a problem with the fact Safespace has a pink color scheme to him... the bright florecesnt pink right next to Snowflake's florescent blue is like an assault on my eyes. Maybe just tone down the brightness on Safespace's hair (maybe more of a rose gold look?), eyes and outfit and make Snowflake's hair/eyes/outfit more of a powdery blueish white? They can still be pink and blue but the flourescent blue and pink dont work very well together. Also... why not make Safespace rock some awesome pink dread ala neo yokio? I mean... dreads are pretty gender neutral and a non binary guy with long hair in dreads would be kinda neat. I dont know how I would redesign outfits but something about how short the leg area is bothers me. I think maybe a fitted jacket could work for the top portion of the outfit, but i for the life of me cannot think of a good way to fix the pant area. I could maybe sketch this out later but my drawing skills are not the best. Not terrible but not quite where i want to be i guess. I tend to draw mainly women with curvy features so when i go out of my default it gets a bit wonky sometimes. But this could definately be a project for me to do later.

[@neoqwerty]

The New Warriors' colors look like all they had to color with that month in the office were highlighters and the receptionist's half-empty metallic gel pen that she forgot.

[@snowflame4333]

Snowflame should show up and kill them all.

[@Allustar]

All the characters are just bland though. They all pretty much look like a typical superhero and have nothing that defines them. It’s just bad.

[@paris5410]

Probably just normal pants would work.

[@TheOnlyGuermo]

"Holy menstruation"? Can someone explain this before my brain eats itself? Also, explain why someone thought :"Internet gas" was a winning idea. Also, anyone seen Venture Bros. they stole a parody villain and made here a hero here, I am not kidding, "Fat Chance" from venture Bros, is the same character as Trailblazer.

[@richmcgee434]

I'm halfway convinced "internet gas" is an attempt at a joke about how clueless older folks are about tech terms. Grandad hears about "cloud computing" somewhere, decides he can render it down into an aerosol form and bottle the internet in a spray can, and because comic books it works somehow. It's not a good joke, but it feels like that's the germ of the idea.

[@TheOnlyGuermo]

@@richmcgee434 Aaaaaaw Hell! Yup, you nailed it, you win in this contest where no one wins.

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

@@richmcgee434 **INSERT VIDEOGAME VICTORY SOUND/SONG**

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

I can't help but think that holy menstruation is at least unintentionally really funny.

[@MuljoStpho]

I was kind of imagining it as the comic taking place in some sort of alternate reality where technology developed so differently from what we know that the internet's physical infrastructure could be described as a series of tubes transmitting data through some sort of gaseous medium. (Like some sort of vast network of neon lighting, I guess?) With that half-baked idea I've probably given it 1000x more thought than the comic's creator has actually given it, though.

[@takudach]

So basically Screen time is just a human version of google glasses

[@ChuckD008]

All the designs also look like someone saw a pic of Steven Universe, heard it was a show about diversity, then made bargain-bin characters. I'm fine with inclusivity in comics, that's kinda what they're all about, it's just frustrating that the Big 2 constantly now create meaningless characters just so they can claim they're diverse for a moment in time. Some are great & some will no doubt be forgotten in a few years time.

[@okaytsonei]

Are you kidding? Steven Universe has better designs then this mess.

[@ChuckD008]

@@okaytsonei Yes, that's why I said these are bargain-bin imitations. Though frankly, Steven Universe is an exceeding example of the "CalArts-style" that has become so fuckin bland cuz its what every mainstream animation seems to be. Now granted there can be good shows (like Gravity Falls) but the style is so similar amongst SO many shows (kinda like how people start to notice the "Dreamworks Face"). So I'm not gonna praise Steven Universe for design either (esp since it DEF copped ideas from indie comics & called it it's own).

[@drcheesenut896]

@@ChuckD008 The cal-arts style is litteraly just a character head type. Like can you seriously tell me Gravity Falls looks the same as Steven Universe, especially when Steven Universe used to be well known for how characters could look off-model in some episodes. Compare this to any show with the supposed "cal-arts style" and other than a headshape, nothing looks the same. Compare the way bodies, objects, and backgrounds are drawn in any of these shows, and they're all different. Also one look at the Steven Universe pilot and art book can tell you a lot about the design process the show went through

[@an8strengthkobold360]

The whole thing has real "how do you do fellow kids" energy.

[@kevinnosaurus793]

Did marvel just accidentally upload someone's fanfiction ?

[@themostbritishpersonalive868]

I guess so

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

Pretty sure that disney and any company owned by them are using fanfics as scripts

[@bobisconsumed520]

Yes. The real promo was one of Thanos: Legacy! Where the Living Tribunal works with the incorporeal soul of Thanos to select a new Avatar of Death to unleash on the X Men for defying the eternal law. Now which story would u rather read, Dora the Panderoa Warriors or the pitch I took 5 secs to conjure?

[@victorthecollector9198]

Even fanfiction can be better than this shit

[@Sporkinator]

I never thought Marvel could do satire so well. I was laughing throughout their entire trailer. Absolutely hilarious!

[@X_Blake]

When Midoriya takes the name Deku as he’s superhero name. He doesn’t do it to own Bakugo. He does it because he wants to turn that name into something positive and memorable. Also it came from he’s former friend now currently rival.

[@X_Blake]

Snowflake and Safespace on the other hand don’t have that same feel. It just comes off as a bad joke or parody.

[@LouisianaBurns]

And his friend again

[@iasonjacksongrace]

Also his crush said the name was cute

[@Brilchan]

Also the girl he fancies thought it sounded cute and that changed its meaning for him ;)

[@MFBooks-gy5nz]

So Deku wanted to own it, become it and smash it?

[@v.v365]

This is the first time I heard about these characters, and when I read in the description that Safespace and Snowflake were actual names of actual marvel comic book superheroes, my immediate response was “oh no, oh no they didn’t, oh nononono”

[@RouxAroo666]

Same here. I feel so bad for my non-binary sibs.

[@wooyeah1738]

Laser Samurai Oh god, I’m pissed about the names specifically. This, THIS, is one more thing for all types of nb people to be made fun of. I’m genderfluid, and I swear, the moment I’m out of quarantine, and see my nb friend, I’m bitching about this hot pice of trash.

[@duddude321]

Koolaid Man: *Busts through wall* OH YEAH! Imma get a lot of mileage out of this rag in the mockery olympics. It doesn't matter where I throw the dart, every panel on every page is bound to have something I can rub in the dirt.

[@RouxAroo666]

@@wooyeah1738 I understand completely. I was bitching about this is my friend and her girlfriend about this.

[@thatxpertkid4248]

Calling a Non-Binary Superhero "Snowflake", is like calling a Superhero whose African "Ooga Booga Man".

[@weirdairportdude7215]

lmao

[@lukescastle]

I made a Mexican superhero, and his name is *Taco-Man!!!*

[@SteveCarras]

😂

[@Quantum314]

I think that representation in all forms is amazing. I think that we should have more diverse and inclusive characters, despite what many people say. That said, I agree. This is more insulting that inclusive. I'm gay, and while I'd love for there to be more LGBTQ heroes, I don't like Marvel going about it in this fashion. Gay heroes, for example, should just be that: heroes who happen to be gay. Look, I'm for having a non-binary hero, but their identity shouldn't be the thing they 100% focus on. Focus on making them a good character who just happens to be non-binary.

[@56postoffice]

👏👏👏

[@zachsilby4569]

Fully agreed as a cis-white-male-bi-guy, I feel like I'ma get called a douche for saying that but yeah! Write characters who are a hero first, put the responsibility of their power first, THEN worry about who they're into, or what they like to be called. People are at risk of death, I don't think a hero needs to worry about such small things when death is on the line. (tho a non obnoxiously blatant bi dude hero would be fucking amazing, a right step to get rid of that whole bi erasure bullshit,)

[@SilenceInd]

Like how Sisko was written in Deep Space 9? Where he was the Captain but the fact that he was also black gave him a history and helped inflict his viewpoints on several things? Such as the Ratpack Holodeck?

[@EngineerOfChaos]

As a cis-white-male, I feel like real people who make their identity the most important part of their personality really makes it hard for me to be friends with them. That's what people like this feel like; they are their identity personified, and I cannot even be bothered to care for them. I'm also an amateur writer and I always found the best way to write diversity was to make characters and then decide what parts of them I can swap to another race/religion/sexual preference/gender/etc. that won't destroy what makes their character who they are and then do it. Their diverse elements do not play any serious roles in the story at all.

[@56postoffice]

@@zachsilby4569 👏👏👏

[@LordSumSums]

Dunno if it was Marvel or DC but remember that villain named “He-She”? ...suddenly feeling the same vibes.

[@emmypersonal4033]

I think it was DC waaaayyyy way back

[@LordSumSums]

And I think you're right. The point is D.C. wasn't /trying/ to be trans-misogynistic...but it was a terrible move. 🙄

[@danieljasonkon9800]

Yeah, I think this will be forgotten in the next 10-20 years

[@lord_destros2188]

"He-she" sounds like the person that does all the gender swapping in entertainment

[@danieljasonkon9800]

Makes sense to me, but I’m not bothered about it, you guys are all too sensitive to handle this.

[@Danmarinja]

They just came up with the concept before they came up with the characters. Their powers are literally just their superhero names, which are just slanderous for non-binary people.

[@RouxAroo666]

@th3 Envyp Stop commenting about things you don't know loser. I'm surprised you would even watch Comic Drake with that kind of idiotic mentality.

[@arianagrandefromfortnite]

@@RouxAroo666 look, you are right but let's not pretend that ComicDrake's content is affected by his societal views. You can enjoy someone's content while disagreeing with them - no matter how bigotted your disagreeing makes you

[@RouxAroo666]

@th3 Envyp Maybe science from back when we thought there were only four elements. Science develops and grows over time as we learn more of it. I’m sure that you are. You must be so successful, since you spend all your time commenting on KZbin.

[@RouxAroo666]

th3 Envyp Neural biology does. Nothing will convince you though. You are intrenched in ignorant beliefs and rejection of real science. You might as well believe the Earth is flat.

[@thealien2437]

@th3 Envyp Cringe

[@shocknawe]

For perspective: imagine the first trans super hero be called Trans-formado, whose power is to become whatever they desire. Inclusivity is to give normal people, who happen to be a minority, normal super hero powers and names not associated with their social condition.

[@christianfrazier7848]

Coming from a black, non-binary, polysexual person, I think it’s just bad writing. A lot of marvel comics are like this. They just happened to have a nb character. If this ever was a movie, I’m sure Marvel would improve this.

[@ryn7377]

yeah, i agree. im not black or non-binary, so i know i really shouldn’t have a say, but i honest to god think they just got some dumbass writers who thought this was a good idea, and they didn’t mean for it to offensive. no say it’s a good thing or should be ignored, or that they get “bonus points” for attempting.

[@maggiepaul5911]

@Simon MORNING BREEZE the problem isn't that it happens; The problem is the fact that it's done horribly. It's actually degrading how carelessly they apply these things just for money. What groups do you think that backfires on when that happens?? The political drama that follows after that puts a spotlight on the groups they originally was tryna represent.

[@Clarebear0925]

Simon MORNING BREEZE no, he was announcing it to show that even the people they were trying to please hate it.

[@sg-qi7np]

disney would never approve of something they couldn’t easily delete for china’s release

[@galarstar052]

isn't polysexual just bisexual? what's the difference?

[@Kenmiester2012]

This stunt has somehow managed to unite the entirety of the internet against a single company. I actually have to congratulate Marvel on doing something so stupid that you have both left- and right-wingers against you.

[@bobisconsumed520]

Everyone so focus on Snowflake and Safe Space they forget that Dora the Purpertia is the leader of this team. And Boots is apparently dead. And Swiper, he only plays COD these days.

[@YOOT_JJ]

Swiper is the MW2 squeaker. Also, nice Destiny PFP and name.

[@chongjunxiang3002]

Now imagine Diego shows up but diego found out this dora is a trap lol

[@lostintranslation5630]

"trying to flip it on its head" doesnt really work when the people who wrote the characters were not parts of the groups of people that bad terms effect??

[@langleymneely]

Only Snowflake is non binary, not both. Yeah, Marvel done f-ed up on this one. lol

[@lukes.854]

There are so, so many issues with this, but why that?

[@emilstoqanov3270]

Well isn't Snowflake a special snowflake....... somebody had to do this joke

[@shrigula9457]

Langley M Neely When he said “they are non-binary” he was only talking about snowflake. Snowflake only wants to be called plural pronouns, which definitely makes it way more confusing.

[@rebeccalee2155]

@@shrigula9457 There's a singular they/them, so it's not plural.

[@arianagrandefromfortnite]

@@emilstoqanov3270 That's the point of the character.....

[@bobshoe8426]

You know it's bad when even Drake can't defend it...

[@sunscreen7205]

Beyond saving

[@mysticlegion8088]

I'm surprised he is calling it out because it's what most the people that have been calling out this bullshit for years said would happen. They are just getting blatant with it now.

[@Mabasei]

Mystic Legion no you morons cry at the sight of progressivism drake and anyone who isn’t borderline nazi cry at blatant racism and obvious mockery of progressive ideas. Don’t conflate is with you we don’t dislike things for your dumb ass reasons. We aren’t allies.

[@ComicDrake]

Mabesi, I would appreciate it if you took a moment to chill out and not throw out the term Nazi willy-nilly. I don't know what Mystic Legion's politics are and I don't think you do either. Nazi and even borderline Nazi are strong words got lose meaning when they are applied baselessly.

[@juandiegotorres9632]

Yep

[@electricbayonet2]

Hey, now hold on, Snowflake and Safespace are plenty inclusive. Not since Ultimate Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch have we had such openly-incestuous twins. And, if we're not supposed to assume that they're boning, someone forgot to tell the artist responsible for their pose at 0:42.

[@autobotstarscream765]

Ikr? The porn is inevitable...

[@emexdizzy]

Ugh, yeah, the twincest pose made me gag also.

[@valeriarossini543]

Alabama can finally feel rapresented in the comic book industry

[@dheeraj5584]

That's like Having An Asian Hero...Whose Power is Doing Maths.

[@paris5410]

Super Kevin Wong

[@Wildcard098]

Marvel calling the first non binary character they’ve ever made “Snowflake” is like calling the very first superhero team made up entirely of African Americans “The Monkeys”

[@phoenixbrenn8596]

as a nonbinary marvel fan im. genuinely hurt by this? like it hurts to see that thats how they'd choose to rep nonbinary people.

[@phoenixbrenn8596]

@Jarvi Blue it just feels like. theyre proving that theyll never see us beyond the stereotype of what we should be like? its such bullshit.

[@zelktheinvader7874]

Excuse me but can you tell me what non-binary and binary in gender. Sorry if I offended you but I have been living under a rock.

[@UndyingRoyality]

@@zelktheinvader7874 bullshit excuses is what it is lmao.

[@Kingfisher_2376]

@@zelktheinvader7874 Taking your "I have been living under a rock" at face value, non-binary is a blanket term for anyone who does not neatly identify as "male" or "female" (the so-called "binary genders"). Contrary to what trolls on the internet spew, documentation of non-binary recognition and representation go at least as far back as ancient Babylonia, Greece and India and are explicitly not some "new fad."

[@zelktheinvader7874]

@@Kingfisher_2376 thank you for the information.

[@darryljack6612]

5:36 as someone who is black, and who have had the actual term used on them before. The actual term is Oreo, "black" on outside " White" on inside.

[@langleymneely]

You beat me to this! Snowflake is a very VERY VERY niche term from the 70s. It was totally co-opted by Oreo etc..

[@darryljack6612]

@Male Ivy it really stings when another black person calls you it.

[@tyronechillifoot5573]

The actual term was ment to describe a black white relationship

[@artdog0100]

That term was also used for People of Color being mixed with White kids too? 😔

[@camil3545]

for Chinese, we had Banana

[@H2Odaboss1]

How did "internet gas" become a valid backstory plot