Commercial krav maga is bullshit

[@janbin4062]

I trust him. He has an accent

[@Cuffsmaster]

Every time someone is telling you how the style or this or that he makes money off of is better than the other guy you have to take it with a grain of salt.

[@TonyqTNT]

Structure, balance, positioning, effective procedure. Accent doesn't matter as most languages derived from common linguistic source!!!

[@mrrobot3368]

fr

[@jaynm26]

😂

[@bp6877]

D'Acquerdo, Lior! Thank you!! I trained in Krav Maga with former Israeli commando (Sayeret Matkal), and learned it the right way, but I also tap into seminars offered by commercial Krav Maga organization to get extra practice in, and I'm always amazed at the inexperience and poor techniques of their students. In addition to poor technique, they are not being taught the value of following up with overwhelming aggression, as if one punch or hit will do the trick alone. They're also not being taught to "finish the fight," which is part and parcel of the overwhelming aggression just mentioned. And, as you've noted in other videos, there's a lot of slapping instead of hard core striking. So, for those interested in training in Krav Maga, try if possible to train with an Israeli commando or policeman like Mr. Offenbach.

[@Ayyar13Sid]

Sayeret matkal 😱😱😱.. You mean general staff reconnaissance unit.

[@manopu2113]

How do we ordinary people get the chance to train the “real Krav Maga“ from former israeli military or defense people ?

[@bp6877]

@@manopu2113 Find a place where the Krav Maga instruction is being given by former soldiers from Israeli special forces fighting units, ideally. Not sure what part of the world you're from (India?), but Krav Maga is extremely popular tactical combat system in Asia; Former Indian or Pakistani special forces operatives will be well trained in this kind of a combat system; if not Krav, they'll be trained in SAS combat system (British). You'll know you're in the right program if you're being taught how to use overwhelming aggression to finish the fight; it's based on the premise that in the street, as in war, the only rule is that there are no rules: You must fight for your life, because it's a zero sum game. The type of aggression taught in Krav Maga is not "natural" in the sense that most people, when struck, actually do not respond aggressively, and if they do, it's usually with a single punch; one has to be taught how to dominate. Of course, you could always visit Israel and train, but one really needs to continuously train for at least six months (in my opinion) to get the fundamentals. Good luck!

[@manopu2113]

@@bp6877 sorry for the late reply, you were almost correct because im not Indian, im of SriLankan origin who has grown up and lives in Germany. I trained once ata school from Krav Maga Union in South Germany but after 1,5 years I was not happy with it as I recognized that i dont make any improvement and people who were not even one year at the training session, were allowed to participate in instructor training. Do you know any former Israelis in South Germany (best would be aroind Stuttgart) who teaches authentic Krav Maga?

[@JOHNNYGOX]

You're absolutely right. Im a krav maga trainer too (work for israeli security academy at greece)and when i see that crap it makes me mad

[@Nottherealguyfieri]

When I was in krav in israel my trainer always told me that usually in a street fight the first contact will be a push the second will be the other guy pushing and the third will be throwing hands. She told me if someone gets close to me in an intimidating way never pusg and never wait to be pushed, simply say, "get out of my face" "no" than you punch first and hard also if u are pushed never push back but always stay in your comfort zone and attack fast and hard, a while ago i was at a female friends house and some one who we bearly knew who were there also started making alot of trouble and being very disrecpectful to her and other, i am not very big but im preety strong so I came to him and told him to stop, wben he said no him i calmly told him he needs to go or he will get bit up he said fuck u (but in hebrew) i was very closeto him so i just punched him in the end and he fell and it was over with one punch to the face. P. S he was drunk and very disrecpectful and also thretend me and my friends when a friend wouldnt give him a cigarete. Also sorry for bad spelling and grammer

[@victornascimento3029]

Nice story and nice tip!

[@justnothing8692]

cant Always count on being one punch man you need to know how to fight

[@Nottherealguyfieri]

@@justnothing8692 for sure, I know how to fight, just make sure to always choose your fights and if you have to fight, land the first blow

[@paulthomas8262]

The very idea of a "street fight" is flawed. In a situation where someone pushes like that they are overtly instigating or asserting dominance.The vast majority of knife attacks through video evidence the lead hand is the controlling hand, it is not pushing you away, except if they want to pin you against something, typically they wish to hold you at a distance they can stab you repeatedly. Pushing usually losses control of the person unless the person is pushing the other into or over something which establishes control, or a proper tackle or take down, or limits their attack in some way. Pushing in a controlled way can help establish range but is not a sure fire way to control, especially if the person has a base to start with an can step back, of course the confines of the space matters, so it can be used. In knife attack they are not usually picking a fight with you, the point of the attack is remove the change of you fighting back or that awareness that an attacking is coming. Those who pick fights with people are often the muscle heads who claim to know self defence. They leave out the part about not escalating or avoiding doing things that make you vulnerable outside of fighting. Sometimes a push is a warning to back off or simple ego, they might have issues or easily riled. When leaving a club, someone might get impatient shove people in the back. I have seen this, that same person could have punched those people in the back of the head, bottled them or choked them out, but they didn't. It was a show of dominance, based on skewed etiquette of aggression in their mind, that is a different thing to and attack where all the chance is skewed against you. On the other hand worst case scenario training is just a s flawed as people being jerks scenario training becuase both of them do not address the full spectrum of possibility, an narrow it down to specific all or nothing approach. When I was attacked by two junkies it was somewhat in the middle of these extremes. They were testing me they were swinging at me with a bottle, taking it turns to punch me, and spit on me. Their punches in hindsight were pretty weak, I wasn't phased by that so much as being alone on a ghost town railway platform with nobody around and the fact there were two of them. There were thing I did right overall, my distance management I did well instinctively, in fact I would get worse at it when I started martial arts. I did turn the wrong way at some point however I realised I need to to make an exit pretty sharp so corrected this almost immediately. I was able to adapt to the situation, they were asking me questions (loosely xenophobic but pretty incoherent), normally responding to them won't help, however I noticed they couldn't fight and talk at the same time. They were cognitively slow due to drugs. I just responded to them without being aggressive or vulnerable, and I was able to edge round them pretty easily and make my escape. Every situation is different. There was opportunity for me to push one of hem on the train track, but the wouldn't have yielded a better outcome for me, and I might have been pulled or pushed onto the tracks too. Learning martial art for 10+ year I probably learn the most from self analysis after buying into a lot of the flawed ideas first. Fundamental are great, however a lot of self defence is too boring to interest those who are going to a martial arts club. That is not why they are there they are just as much complicit in the myths.

[@therapon9019]

Totally agree with you. They show some moves that don't make sense.

[@Raktaarion]

Especially the krav maga techniques against choking is a completely bs because the way how krav maga instructors teaching this stuff will ending in a kind of self headbutt 🤕

[@vuneni_panicr]

My Krav Maga instructor is keeping it simple,just like you so people realn really fast how to defend from brawls and muggings alike

[@cmln2413]

This makes complete sense. My only question is how do I find legitimate krav maga instruction in my area? Currently mid-Michigan.

[@daytonasixty-eight1354]

I know nothing about Krav Maga or much martial arts besides some boxing. Honestly, common sense and experience dictates that ya if someone grabs your shirt like that you should just deck them. A good solid punch to their face will break that grip lol. These are also the reasons I carry a gun.

[@krakentacticaledc]

Finally a honest practitioner speaking the truth

[@davidhendershot9703]

I think I would be inclined to stay close and grab his throat from under with my front hand [ as opposed to throwing a punch ]

[@lanceashdown7190]

This makes all kinds of sense to me. Simple and natural.

[@nomad1517]

Krav maga in a nutshell: mma to the groin.

[@christianzulueta6581]

just an honest comment (though i like the video): on the shirt grab where you punch the attacker, since attacker is open, rather than work on the arm on the shirt first, why not just go straight punching him since you will punch him in the first place? krav maga is supposed to be both quick and practical. just an opinion. i love krav maga. sort of a mixed Real Aiikido and Muay Thai martial arts.

[@Jpabloo]

not sure about aikido

[@jquez]

He won't lean forward if he is going to kick, but a knee to the groin, yes.

[@anandkumargopi6214]

Totally agree me former streetfighter (1975-1985) agree with lior. I love KM because its very close to streetfights the real KM techniques are meant to be short and explosive disable the opponent and get away from the scene. Sadly most of the Commecial vids are a combi from Aikido-Jujitsu-Judo techniques with KM. I the streets tha attacker is unprodictive. Thanks for sharing.

[@daxx7359]

Well, I train krav maga and we wasn't doing none of this "bulshit techniques", and I totaly agree with things that are sayed in the video. Our coach told us that we should always punch if we don't know what to do. Than you open distance and get away. The krav maga techniques are just examples for me, one way to do that, wich don't mean that there isn't other ways, the better ones.

[@LudvikKoutnyArt]

To be honest, I've seen quite a few of these "techniques" on KZbin, but they were rarely from Krav Maga videos. I usually found them in some of the made up self defense "systems". But when I watch most of the KM videos these days, the techniques they show are much shorter, simpler and intuitive. Basically it's usually started by a couple of simple straightforward motions and then transitions into the typical kickboxing/grappling basics, because those are the bread and butter of pretty much any physical conflict. What I am trying to say is that while there's lots of BS self defense videos on KZbin, in general, when it comes to Krav Maga labeled videos, BS techniques seem to be more of an exception than a rule :)

[@lesgilligan3363]

I've done some Krav Maga in Wales UK but keen to learn much more. I learned of this from a friend who knows yourself and Idan Abolnik

[@jasonhooperkontaktkombatkr2720]

Where is Wales did you learn Krav maga in Wales?

[@lesgilligan3363]

Cardiff, I was introduced to krav Maga by James Bourne as he supervised my door supervision course and followed more at colchester Avenue, krav Maga Cardiff, Jason burnett, I look at video's of Lior Offenbach and Idan Abolnik quite regular also, Roy Elghanayan is on my watch list also

[@jasonhooperkontaktkombatkr2720]

Oh yeah James was one if .y students nice guy

[@lesgilligan3363]

Yes James is a top guy, he's just finished 25 years on the doors, He put myself through my door license. Never had opportunity to work with him myself door wise but still grateful for all the training and teaching he provided, Top guy

[@someonethatisachristian]

I have 2 krav maga schools here, the one that fits my schedule is Moshe Katz Israeli Krav International-type school. I hear varying things about it, but he seems to be taken seriously. I want to learn self defense i dont need to be in good physical shape to use, for example when im old. Anyone know if this is worth starting with?

[@katywoolf1445]

Potato in a sock will always suprise an aggressive shirt grabber !!

[@heikebongel3597]

I get Your point, but who's fault is it, that most of the Krav Maga sold is a cheap rip off? In Germany Krav Maga is the new trend BUT the instructors only took one weekend seminar an about 2000€ to change the name of their bullshido to Krav Maga... really, some pretending-to-fight blackbelts, who have no clue what fighting or self defense is about and now their classes are full aaaand the next generation of Instructors is born. I bet some guys made a fortune selling the Krav Maga Licenses but in a few years it'll be the same like in Karate: It will be hard to find the 5% who actually know what they're doing.

[@trailokyamukherjee5799]

U need to join a IKMF class

[@gibbethoskins8621]

He's right there is so much uselss BS out there. The best defence though is to master multiple styles. For instance in a one on one situation I would be inclined to close distance, hip throw then go to mount or arm bar and finish the fight... basically MMA. Sticking to one style is limited. KM is great for multiple attackers, in that situation though I would definitely take his advice and create distance.

[@Cuffsmaster]

I think Krav Maga has a real problem different than most see it. KM for the most part is taught to people for self defense only. The ones that take it don't have the time or desire to be an MMA fighter. They want the most they can get for the least amount of time and money. There is nothing wrong with that. 99 present of all fights don't require a very high level of skill to win and even more so if you are just trying to get away. I think KM fills that need for many. Yeah those deep into Martial Arts want you to learn more and spend more time and MONEY but percentage wide KM is a good investment.

[@arikleonidov4934]

@@Cuffsmaster What problem does krav maga have? It's not clear from your commebt

[@devin1735]

Commercial krav is too pussified toward a family environment and they don't train you right for the street

[@svenober9466]

Oossss Master Lior. Thats why I Love CKMI. Greatings from Germany

[@julianpuri2834]

Actually it only depends on who you are training with I trained a with a anti terrorist defense commander and I was taught much and it did really work

[@simongraham2516]

Great video! Which KM schools are commercial? Is IKMF a good krav maga school that isn't bullshit? If not, then where to learn realistic non-bs krav maga? ... Assuming I'm gonna join the Israeli military? Please help, I really want to learn!

[@stephanosprodromidis447]

I know it has been a year since you asked, but i would like to inform you that i am an IKMF student for 3 years and my goal is to be an instructor... Iwas also worried about which km scholl to choose because of it's many forms. I am 100% satisfied with IKMF. But the most important is to find the best instructor. What ever you may have chosen or will most likely choose pay attention to the instructor because unfortunately in every kind of krav maga school there will always be some instructors that have no idea of what they are doing...

[@simongraham2516]

@@stephanosprodromidis447 Hey, thank you!! A good answer never arrives late... I already started IMKF but Corona happened and the gym closed. I am hoping to restart this year. It is gonna be great.

[@moneymaster4812]

@@stephanosprodromidis447 how can you be satisfied of you don't know what you are doing works in real life....

[@22mikelwho]

Legit... looks and sounds a bit closer to Systema than Haganah to me, Ashkenaz?

[@Ayyar13Sid]

Nice video lior sir. 👍👍👍

[@shahjahansays]

So effin true man wicked video thanks! Also surely a strike to nose should tempo disable opponent

[@ThePamimo]

Idk we dont do this kinda stuff in our gym, yes we learn armbars throws and some of that stuff. But we dont play nice. People get hurt, and if something doesnt work we find out why or ditch the technique. Im 115 lbs and can floor a 200lbs guy whos a good foot taller than me, i know these guys are not playing.

[@MertSangrento]

guys we need to learn krav maga

[@apurvhellstinger]

@1:37 kid crying after a punch in the face during krav maga training

[@philcliffe6909]

I've been saying this for years. Idiot's have blended Krav Maga with the movies. Krav Maga is the art of the sucker punch.... or better that nothing.

[@mortgagefinancing5558]

What I am about to say is not really about the person demonstrating in this video but rather about the evolution of the martial arts in general. Back in the day years ago someone would achieve a very high level before opening a school or teaching. They would have a legitimate rank through a teacher of real status in the world that had real lineage from a strong and real blood line of learning and the understanding and knowledge as well as abilities that would amaze most. Or they would learn from a real master like Bruce Lee did but achieved greatness with experience and a high level of that past down knowledge...that's learning a skill level for you...Bruce Lee never even had a official rank in martial arts. Now these days anyone with 10 years experience through a "coach" or through a paper master or self proclaimed internet master opens a school or is a paper master themselves. Everyone that has a video camera on KZbin is an expert. Talking...entertainment...excitement ..sensationalism..Martial arts is more than a head butt..kick..punch or technique. Learning to paint by numbers has some purpose but is not mastery ..an artist is someone that is not just technically good.That is the way a normal black belt would look back in the day..now it seems to be a mastery level. The old boys and real experience are not here anymore.The dojo floor has become KZbin. The camera owners with some experience have even convinced themselves In their mind they are of a mastery level...Who said? they did? The viewers say? What does reality say? Not too many real masters around any more or people of real experience with a high level of knowledge.... Just modern sophisticated basics...effective enough in its own right but not seasoned with the understanding of the old world knowledge of the time past..that died with most of the old real masters of the past.These days everyone is a master....so much so that there are no students left.

[@arkadiuszpredki5335]

I'm waiting for more of your videos.

[@moshemalul618]

אלוף! הכי אמיתי.

[@NiceKill1221-q3x]

זה אבא שלי אמסור לו

[@vikingdrengenspiders7875]

Commercial km is like an action movie real km is fighting

[@jpsholland]

Commercial "every style" is bullshit.

[@marianogonzalez8650]

This looks real not like bullshit everybody sells a lot of people just want to take your money that's all

[@aliasalias9768]

I want to take Krav Maga but good Krav are there a lot of former idf people who teach

[@alexandreluizalves]

Seems very appropriate.

[@elijahlaine8158]

What happens when someone grabs your shirt with two hands?

[@lesgilligan3363]

I'd usually put my hands together and push up between the arms with force to get to release, if not confident in your own ability just kick them In the nuts

[@elijahlaine8158]

Les Gilligan can you do a video of this in action? I am a more visual person. In high school I was physically bullied and was grabbed by the shirt. My stomach was showing and I was up against the wall. Can you do a video of how you would get out of this situation?

[@lesgilligan3363]

Hey Elijah I have just subscribed to your channel, sent you message with names of the best guys i know whose videos can help, these are the guys I look at when it comes to different situations

[@vinnyterranova6871]

make cups of both your hands and slap with both cupped hands from the side very hard on their ears simultaneously. it hurts and plus the attacker loses its balance due to the vacuum created on his ears. Finish the fight. Learned this from Moni Aizik from CKM. Google him

[@berwick82]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge !!

[@pascalc.6979]

But to punch in the face is like boxing, good when I have power. But I when I have not so enough power to knock out him is it bad. We know with a punch in the face is it almost never possible to knock out someone, just if you have luck to find the right point. Is a punch on the ear with the palm hand not better or directy to kick in the genitals?

[@infect9268]

You don't punch just once lol. Krav Maga is meant to end a fight fast, once you throw that first punch you keep em coming and assess what is gonna happen next and then react, if your punches are staggering them then don't stop.

[@tintomara6209]

Hide. Infiltrate. Violence.

[@TRiM506]

I dont like the only Break the Hand Techniks But i Train in Germany and we Train this too the Ruls is differet:(

[@mattthompson9480]

Hello Lior, so how do you know a Krav Maga gym is legitimate?

[@jonlewis5061]

How do you know it’s not legitimate?

[@moneymaster4812]

It's not in Israel lolol

[@tobiasberman8343]

Love this!

[@lukaszandroid1981]

Great Movie 👍

[@Y.a.b.s]

שגריר שלנו תותח

[@jaumemartorell459]

Grandes,los dos antonio y lior...

[@aliasalias9768]

Is there any Krav Maga that civilians can take that’s good

[@Cuffsmaster]

That is a good question. It depends on what you want and who you pay attention to for advice. Most of the people that down KM are into more sport fighting base Martial Arts or MMA. That is good and does add to the knowledge based where bits and pieces can be extracted and used in self -defense. KM is about self defense period. Street fighting - bar fighting - self defense. It is not about competing for points or whatever. KM does a good job teaching basic fighting skills for the street not the ring. 99 present of the self defense fights can be won with Krav Maga training. However most that take it are interested in basic self defense in a short amount of time for the least amount of money. That is perfectly acceptable and what KM should be about for civilians. Most people that take it are not Martial Arts junkies and live and breath it. They are not interested in being an expert in BJJ and some form of Kickboxing to enter competitions and get trophies. SO for self defense as a general rule to be effective you need some basic boxing skills with a few lower body kicks and fundamental grabbling and clinching. You will not beat an expert boxer or kickboxer with strikes or a purple or blue belt in Bjj or Judo on the ground. But common sense tells you that these are not who you will normally fight in the street.

[@aliasalias9768]

@@Cuffsmaster I agree, km gives you an edge because of all the training that it teaches like dealing with disadvantageous situations like high stress/adrenaline situations, multiple opponents, tactics, weapons disarms and fighting, dirty blows when necessary, aggression training and more and all in an mma format but the mma in km isn’t practiced as much in km compared to mma, anyways my plan is to take mostly bjj and Muay Thai with possibly judo part time all for a year then take Krav Maga to build on that foundation I built for a year.oh I’ve explained this to you already I remember but anyways that’s my plan and it has to be a good place spars and pressure testing is necessary and some km places offer mma after km either for half an hour or full hour could do that as well

[@erzsebetnaftalin5987]

@@aliasalias9768 you must comment under every KM related video? Mate, just go to a gym and start training.

[@aliasalias9768]

@@erzsebetnaftalin5987 I wish I could but I’m out of commission right now until I recover so I’m trying to find a good style for when I do recover, I do like Krav Maga for all it teaches but I hear a fair amount of skepticism about it I’m not sure if it’s the style as a whole that’s bad or just some of the people who teach it either way I’m trying to make it work by training in Muay Thai and bjj individually for a year then dropping them and take Krav Maga full time with only a good place from someone with precious martial arts experience including Krav Maga that pressure tests and spars and some Krav Maga schools teach pure mma after every class for 30-60 minutes for extra practice that’s my solution to a wholesome fighter by understanding the basics of the best grappling art bjj and the best striking art Muay Thai for a year then learn Krav Maga which teaches a lot of things most places don’t teach like weapons fighting and handling, dealing with disadvantageous situations like high adrenaline situations that would otherwise freeze people, multiple opponents, dirty blows when necessary, tactics, situational awareness and more all while furthering actual fighting experience with all the martial arts taught in Krav Maga and even taking that a step further with the supplemental mma after class but I comment on all the videos to see if this is a worthy plan if not I’m ready to shoot it down and only do Kung fu or something when I recover in at least a year.

[@stefanlicht2060]

Super Lior!!

[@carolinevinata6539]

you right man

[@maxb5957]

Max was here

[@novadhd]

Good basic info.

[@willihue6057]

So what is this about? He wears a Krav Maga shirt and says it is bad? I'm doing Krav Maga for 3 years now and was never teached these techniques he showed in this special situation 🤷‍♂️

[@NoxForest]

*Palestine

[@thebritishbookworm2649]

Thsts not commercial Krav Maga. I have never seen this taught in official circles. Click bait title.

[@shaquilhaque4922]

If someone grabs your shirt you just need to clinch them

[@diogenesstudent5585]

This is why I train Akido.

[@Israeliteupk]

Make sense

[@Khaloood125]

Kosharey

[@Rex-io5zh]

Leave mags is good not b* sh*

[@redpilljujitsu9068]

Video is bullshit. 1. You immediately bring your other hand up to protect your face. 2. Break the grip by a sharp swing of your other hand. 3. Finish him off. You will never punch a man who has his hand extended on you as he is more likely to have longer hands to hold you in place. So dealing with a probable strike comes first then grip break then assault.

[@DaNi7ELORIGINAL]

Simplemente un genio!

[@lesterblack2925]

This video explains why all martial arts won't work not just krav maga

[@tonytiger6601]

ive been saying for yrs KM is grossly overrated.