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[@CheapLazyVegan]

Watch on 1.5 or 2x speed if you're impatient like me! Check out more videos below: ★ VEGAN TALKS playlist - bit.ly/2MwB2VV ★ “PLANTS FEEL PAIN TOO” - kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZe8hJh6gtl4lbs ★ ANIMALS EAT OTHER ANIMALS SO WHY CAN’T WE? - kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHbHaqqgmtuFjJo

[@AmyMekemson]

Cheap Lazy Vegan woah, I never knew you could change the speed. Lol

[@mariemai2902]

Hi Rose, I learn so much from all your videos. I hope one day I can bring my point across as good as you. Please can you make a video about how fear of failure stops people from committing veganism and that this is not a contest of purity.

[@laura237]

Dude, I always forget about that little trick! Thanks for the reminder! But for the record, I watched this vid at normal speed, in all its glory! Haha

[@GreencolorUK]

Cheap Lazy Vegan amazing 💚

[@KCEBGaming]

Cheap Lazy Vegan When asked the protein question I simply flip the question back at them. You eat meat to get protein right? Where do you think that animal got their protein? From plants, from producers, because producers contain all the necessary nutrients for life (even B12 if you eat fresh veggies from your garden or farmers market) and consumers eat those nutrients. I also like to inform them how the food chain works. They're eating a consumer, who only received 1/4th of the nutrients found in that animal, whereas I as a vegan, eat the producer and get 1/4 of those nutrients. We actually receive double the nutrients or more by eating the producer directly vs. going up the food chain

[@tinglesaj8883]

I was one of the militant meat-heads who hated vegans - until I found myself sitting in a pool of my own stupidity. I had to decide if I wanted to be right, or if I wanted to do the right thing.

[@ES11777]

Tingles AJ Reading comments like this is uplifting. Good job going vegan! 😊 🌱❤🐓

[@fabfourfever674]

Tingles AJ Congrats! 😊 Just please don't become a militant *vegan* . We have enough of those, and it only makes us look bad. xx

[@tinglesaj8883]

Oh God no, although I have been accused of being one, like a thousand times. (Always after an animal eater found out I was vegan)

[@browneyes1794]

I was the same! go us! yay for enlightenment and character development :)

[@hopelessnihilist1425]

Me too. I swore I'd never be vegan because they are so preachy and annoying. Not too long later I'm doing my in research and realizing why.

[@katiematott5656]

I HATE the 'natural' argument... like arsenic is 'naturally' found in well water, but we all collectively agree to not drink it because it can harm us. There's a million examples like this 🙄

[@CheapLazyVegan]

yup, the nature argument is THE WORST.

[@animatorstanley]

Katie Matott I get "but meat tasts so good" or "I like meat!" A lot.

[@TheFBNL]

But its true, if not why dont we have horselike teeth. Also Plants do have feelings wich has been reseached.

[@hejpaersotisar577]

TheFBNL livestock consumes day more plants than a vegan does which makes the argument ”plants feel pain” an argument FOR veganism

[@hejpaersotisar577]

TheFBNL Because humans were meat eaters from the beginning but now it has gone too far where people breed animals to eat.. which destroys the planet.

[@MoonVixenWitch]

On the eating meat is natural argument, a lot of people try to point back to caveman days. They ate meat. But they are missing some major points. Cavemen had to hunt to get meat and it was dangerous. They also ate a lot of plants and only had meat when they had a successful hunt. Their lives were also so different from ours. We have technology. Eating animals is no longer necessary for us. Not to mention the horrible things we do to animals. Cavemen did not abuse animals like we do.

[@bobsinclair6]

Exactly! Most of the people who use the "meat is natural" argument would not be able to hunt and catch their own meat. Like Rose said, factory farming is not natural at all, and I think even the most staunch meat eater would agree when shown modern factory farming in practice. Cavemen never put animals in cages, artificially inseminated them, killed male chicks in blenders at birth to fuel an egg industry etc. The "lions eat other animals too so it's natural" argument is even worse because no animal raises and keeps locked up other animals to eat later. That is so very not natural.

[@darkchocopuff1510]

I raised chickens for 10 years for meat and aggs so how would you know that I will torture em, kill male chicks and stuffed them into small cages when you never see me do it? Why you think I MUST do such things just because I am an animal farmer? The reasons I hate vegans is when they watch videos of factory farms inhumane practices and start to judge every single farmers in this world were doing same horrible thing like that. So let me ask, can I say EVERY vegans are hypocrites when some of them still go buy cute fluffy kittens from Petshop when there are already countless ones waiting in the shelterhome for adoption? There are also militant vegans like Freele who wished death upon meat eaters so can I say EVERY vegans are the same shitheads like her? No? LOL.

[@bobsinclair6]

Thats not the point I was making. I was talking about people who say "lions do it, so it is natural". Factory farming isnt natural, and neither is regular farming either. If you want to be "like a lion" then you need to hunt, kill and eat wild animals without storage and processing and farming etc. Also, as others have pointed out, we do not do a lot of things animals like lions do, despite being natural. Instead of arguing nature, I think most vegans would just prefer if we made our life choices with animal welfare in mind. We have the technology and the ability to go vegan, so there is no reason why we shouldnt. Furthermore, your personal experience being an animal farmer does not excuse the MAJORITY of animals and animal products people consume in the world. Most of the meat people eat in the world is factory farmed. And even the grass fed, field raised animals are killed inhumanely, at a very early age etc. Most grass fed and field raised animal farming involves killing male calves and male chicks as it is not sustainable for milk and egg production. This is a known fact. Cows need to be kept pregnant for most of their life, and their calves need to be taken away so that we can get milk. Male chicks do not contribute to the egg industry and are killed right away. This is just the reality of the egg industry. It is almost impossible financially to be a highly profitable egg farmer if you do not kill male chicks or get rid of them somehow at hatching. This is what happens in the MAJORITY of the meat, dairy and egg industries. It is profitable, and it is how it is done whether you like it or not. If ALL factory farming was abolished, and calves were prohibited to be taken away from milking cows, and milking cows were not artificially inseminated, and male chicks were not killed at birth, and all animals were not tortured and put in cages, then meat, dairy and egg prices would go up, and production would not be able to keep up with demand. Thats just a fact of modern life. Factory farmers are not some evil animal hating psychopaths, they are just doing what is most profitable to them to produce as much milk and eggs, and meat as possible to meet with demand. The vegan goal is to remove that demand so that factory farming does not need to happen anymore. Also, the end point of your humanely raised and untortured animals is still death. Death of a sentient feeling being is never excused. Most westerners frown upon the consumption of dogs and cats even if you dont put them in cages, and torture them. Most of humanity is against the killing and consumption of human beings even if you farm them without torture and stuffing them in cages. So why are cows, chickens and pigs an exception to this rule?

[@darkchocopuff1510]

bobsinclair6 first, have you grow all your vegs, grains, fruits and nuts for all year consumption before you suggest me go hunting for my own meat? Well if you want to make up one go ahead but I can tell if it lies or not. Did you get your own lettuce, nuts and beans from forest without need to clear the land and farm it first? LOL. Have you ignore the fact that not all freakin lands in this world were made fertile to grow cheap grains and vegs, hence is why some people go animal farming for a living? Also you probably have some of your food imported and taken from other countries. Yeah that is much natural than buying meat from the locals. I used to grow some vegs and grains couple of years ago. Bananas and rice 3 months, potatoes 2 months and lettuce 50 days. So guess what I am gonna eat with less to no money in my hands while waiting for them to grow? Sure I keep some rice from last harvest as food stock but that isn't not gonna make me survive. Well guess what? I ate my backyard chickens and their eggs is what I sell to support my live. Go figure why farmers who grow your vegs and grains aren't vegan? Go ask them politely has they ever kill anything while growing those plants? Anyway, I stop selling vegs because they ain't profitable at all. They are cheap. You need to have a large piece of land for growing vegs or else you are gonna live in shitty poor life with small income. Don't talk about moral of eating brainless animals with me nor asking me to go hunting if you are just some vegan snowflakes or soyboy who only know tossing fruits and vegs into your carts and call it a day. Well I bet you can't even make it through winter without your precious wallmart to supply your vegs and grains. Nice chat but I had to stop my roosters from fighting, it is normal thing for chickens but I can't bear see any of them get pecked brutally to death. Yea dumb animals don't know how to live peacefully and here you vegans are fighting so hard for their lives(sarcasm).

[@bobsinclair6]

Its almost like you didnt read what I had to say. My conclusion wasnt that eating vegan is more natural, it was that most aspects of modern life arent natural, therefore it its pointless to argue for nature, and that we should use technology and all modern convenience to live our lives in the best way possible without causing unnecessary harm to animals. Thats all I said. Anyway, I can see you are resorting to name calling, so I will just wish you a nice day.

[@asukachan07]

Your 2 cents are worth millions! I can't bother with anti-veganism arguments anymore though, respect to all those who try to debate the validity of this lifestyle. Everyone's free to do their own research.

[@theoneandonly3388]

I've been vegan for like 3 years and my family went from it's a phase to consuming less meat to my mom considering going vegan herself. People do change, we change our minds all the time. I personally LOVED the taste of meat, and my former boss was your typical American dad with the cook outs and everything and we both gave it up for a better purpose. It's possible! Slowly but surely we'll get there..

[@beckyanderson4644]

People have no idea just how bad animal ag really is..I feel like all of the “animal lovers” we know would have a moment if they were all shown exactly what it’s like. Sadly you have to CHOOSE to watch those documentaries and look at those images. Love you Rose, wish I knew someone like you in real life. I don’t know any vegans.

[@CheapLazyVegan]

for sure :( if everyone saw those images and watched those documentaries, so many more people would be open to the idea of veganism!

[@bridgethammond7]

Chik Lit it’s really sad but I’ve met people who have outright denied those documentaries and a girl claiming it was all “faked” by vegan conspiracists to make dairy farmers/meat industries look bad. And another who claimed factory farm animals are killed “humanly” if that even makes sense. There’s a lot of ignorance among those people who refuse to see the truth.

[@5minutecook927]

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[@beckyanderson4644]

Bridget hammond Wow that is really sad someone would think it’s fake. Honestly, how straight up stupid that person must be. I can’t get into it with anyone like that, at that point it’s a waste of time.

[@Emilyjadeofficial]

I agree with you on the point that since we’re born, we are made to believe that we are “superior” and these amazing beings that don’t even count as animals. This belief is the root of the problem!

[@lellyt2372]

Jessica Katrakova I know and also what gets me is "ooooh doggies, cats, iguanas, snakes etc are all pets, we don't eat those ! Oh what a cute little piggie but let's get a BLT for lunch !" Like, whaaaaaat ?

[@Emilyjadeofficial]

neit17 no one said being vegan makes you a perfect person that does nothing wrong. Being vegan is a selfless act because we are putting the environment and other animals before our own taste buds and desires. i think everyone knows we will never live in a perfect world. All we we wish to do is reduce suffering

[@Emilyjadeofficial]

neit17 I agree! I believe that the industrial revolution was the catalyst to many issues in the world today, such as global warming

[@jiririnagl302]

Just because someone eats pigs dosent have right to love dogs, like really ?

[@lutheranninja1819]

Okay I haven’t watched the video yet, but girl. I need this. I just got absolutely lambasted on Facebook for just mentioning reducing our meat consumption as a country (USA) My friends were so hostile to even vegetarianism, and most of these people are Christian!!! Anyways, I was feeling really down about it, like caring about the animals is hopeless, but you helped me regain my hope. Thank you :) Now to watch the video lol

[@Sephymuffins]

People will get incredibly defensive. Went at it with a best friend of mind over it too. The whole B12 fallacy. It's difficult because becoming vegan makes you question everything and it triggers lots of omnis.

[@scandisnowgirl3696]

Maybe just leave people alone and let them make their own life decisions about their diet?

[@Sephymuffins]

Snowgirl is triggered.

[@scandisnowgirl3696]

Amber lol or maybe you are bc I spoke the truth. I’ve made my own decisions to become vegetarian and work towards veganism, I’m not going to shove that onto someone else or try to badger them into it though. Human psychology tells us people react the OPPOSITE way to that kind of behaviour, instead of interest you get hostility. People like you guys hurt plant based movements just like Westboro Baptist Church hurts Christianity.

[@CheapLazyVegan]

awww it's very normal! Not sure how long you've been vegan but generally people calm down over time once they've realized you're in it for the long run.

[@laura237]

I am slowly transitioning to veganism, which is better than no transition, right? I tried to do it "cold turkey" at first. Obviously that didn't work, but I have been able to cut out meat - that part was pretty easy for me as I was actually always quite grossed out about eating meat, just thinking about where it came from etc. And right after that I discovered almond milk (aka my new best friend!) So I suppose I'm a vegetarian now...? Needless to say, your recipes and videos have been incredibly encouraging and motivating to keep me on this journey! Thanks, from BC!

[@CheapLazyVegan]

YES!!! I always advocate for a slow transition! Realistically, it's probably the best way to actually successfully become vegan! So don't feel bad about transitioning in your own time ❤️

[@louie540x]

What animal products are you eating currently?

[@MJkingofmusiclover]

daniel worthington Except that it requires more plants to feed 1 cow than 1 human. Do this x millions of cows and other animals slaughtered each year for human consumption and you realize that you save more plants by eating plants than by eating animals 👍

[@Kx____]

of course it's okay to slowly transition! i also did that, i was vegetarian for many many many years, then i slowly stopped taking dairy... when i got used to that, i also later stopped eating eggs and stuff, it helped me a lot to slowly substitute things, it's totally fine! you're already doing a lot!

[@MJkingofmusiclover]

daniel worthington If you eat plants, you can still put the remaining in the ground and start life again, can you do that with animal flesh/bones? Regardless, no need to go vegan if you don’t want to, just making some small and conscious changes in your daily life is enough 🤗

[@Vanda_K]

I just love how you explain things! These thoughts were like mine every day. I like how people accept veganism more and more, that means there will be a change (hopefully not too late)!

[@gsfm9699]

Even though I am long past needing convincing that veganism is the way, I like to listen to videos like this and read articles so that I am armed for the inevitable questions/arguments against veganism. This video was so thoughtful, logical and to the point. Definitely going to the top of my list for when I need a refresher of good points or to point someone in the right direction.

[@lesliesaraiva3733]

I'll never understand why meat eaters are so hostile toward non meat eaters. I don't preach. You do you and let me do me

[@gsfm9699]

I think about this a lot too. I think the hostility must come from us challenging something that they have believed to be true their who lives. Also, perhaps in their heart of hearts they are considering that eating meat could be wrong and they don't like the way that feels.

[@comom2055]

Yes! When you tell someone you’re vegan and you can instantly see their face change. Like what is that?!

[@darkchocopuff1510]

Not really. I don't mind vegans as long they don't act like they are morally superior bastards or shoving down veganism down to my throat by guilt shaming.

[@crazywaffleking]

They aren't, it is vegans who are hostile to them. Find me a single video on youtube where someone is straight up bashing vegans the entire video (who hasn't been attacked by vegans first). I see vegans attack and criticize non-vegans all the time. Just look at freelee and vegan gains for examples.

[@fabfourfever674]

crazywaffleking I'm vegan, and I agree. There are many examples of very militant, judgemental vegans (at least in the comments that I sometimes see), and it sets a bad example for the lifestyle. 😞 Not all of us are like that, though..and it could be that it *seems* like we all are because KZbin gives *anyone* a platform to express themselves..and there are too many "keyboard warriors", but that also happens on the *other* side. I've seen comments from omnivores who troll vegan channels and spew hatred for no other reason than the fact that they feel threatened. But yeah, there is evidence of militancy on both sides, and it doesn't help. I don't play that "card", though. I'm the only vegan in my family and it's cool. It's not for me to judge when I grew up eating animal products, myself. There's so much hypocrisy it's not even funny. How can some vegans be so judgemental when they used to do the very thing they're angrily judging? 😲😳 As for Freelee, she's a basketcase. 😂 I *never* liked her attitude even *before* I went vegan, and I don't think she helps the movement at all. She doesn't represent vegans, in general, though. She's just an example of someone who twisted her compassion into something ugly and hateful towards humans. How horrible, and not the best role model. Anyway, I hope you see that we're not all like that. Peace. 😊 xx

[@Wasabisaurus08]

The average American eats about 222 pounds of meat a year and I have been vegetarian for 6 years. Thats 1,332 pounds of meat I didn't eat. Ever since I went vegetarian my whole family greatly reduced the amount of meat consumption and actually started eating a lot healthier because I introduced so much more vegetables and ways to cook them. We went to places with more vegetarian options, we couldn't go to All You can eat korean bbq anymore etc. I started cooking for myself and introducing them to vegetarian dishes. My mom is now comfortable eating at vegan restaurants with me. I got my very picky brother hooked onto veggie patties because they are so flavorful and he can get extra veggies in and its so easy to just put into sandwiches. Now that I am on my own I have been eating vegan and have lost a total of 12 pounds and my abs are coming along very well!

[@GreyRock100]

"Do I look... Well, let's not do that" Lmao I love this drama free/funny/cheap/lazy/vegan channel.

[@rjahn3000]

I'm 60 and ate the standard American diet for 58 years my health was going downhill rapidly, 18 months ago I started the WFPB way of life I have lost 90 Lbs and all my blood work and BP are now wonderful .... thanks great video!! PS I don't miss eating animal's :)

[@ashley9763]

This is an inspirational video, and a reminder for me to keep at it! I always get shit from my family since turning vegan, and it can be really frustrating because if I say anything back they call me a "stereotypical sensitive vegan, but I keep going because i know im on the right side of history :)

[@5minutecook927]

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[@GameOver-jq1cu]

Show them.....INDUSTRIAL FARMING on you tube...that will make them 🤔think.

[@Spicyvirgomoon]

You pretty much nailed everything I’ve been thinking and trying to tell my "but bacon thooo" family. So Thank You! 🙏🏼

[@katkadoozel8132]

I really enjoyed this video! My favorite example of the "meat is natural" arguement is that lard is technically ( and by their definition) "natural", but I wouldn't sit down in front of the tv and eat a big tub of lard (b/c that would be gross and not healthy) So no, eating things that are "natural" is not always the best idea lol.

[@eld1rt]

Plenty of cultures eat lard and huge quantities of animal fat - Alaskan natives being a prime example. Food is a contextual resource, and if the context fits, I sits and I eats :3

[@5minutecook927]

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[@lcatgoddess]

I like to mention belladonna. Ya, it's natural yet you shouldn't consume it. I save this for the most annoying omnis. Why? They always have to google belladonna & I can just walk away.

[@tamitorossian7285]

It's like you read my mind and made this video.

[@CheapLazyVegan]

❤️

[@5minutecook927]

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[@hitishasharma9854]

same for me!

[@LilBunny000]

I needed this. So many people give me shit for not eating meat. I’m in transition so I eat vegetarian if there is absolutely no way to be vegan. I get called names and I have to stop myself from crying every time I eat out w my aunt. I go on a trip w her next week so I’m hoping this encourages me to just shut her out. 🌞 Her favorite thing to say is “ew how can you have fun with food then?” And it hurts so much that a die hard Christian with the biggest heart says that about animals.

[@Sephymuffins]

Bullying someone for choosing to not put something in their body is emotional abuse. I'd call it for what it is, to her face and maybe she'll shut up then. It's not her business.

[@scandisnowgirl3696]

Amber but it’s YOUR business what people do choose to put into their bodies and you don’t think that THEY should be left alone? Sorry but you’re a hypocrite

[@LilBunny000]

I understand both views. And I tried to tell her how I felt but it got so much worse so I try to just order my food and leave her alone. So far, it’s worked for the most part. She makes faces and such but hopefully this next trip she’ll keep her comments to herself. I’ve never ever once told her to her face how I hate her diet and wish she knew what I knew. I would never shame her.

[@fabfourfever674]

Caroline, I'm so sorry for what your Aunt puts you through. It's not right. 😞🙇 Being vegan is your choice..and as long as you're not judging anyone else's actions, no one should be judging yours. If you can, I'd tell her that you don't appreciate her disrespecting your lifestyle and that her remarks are very hurtful to you. If she continues to bully you, maybe you can get a trusted family member involved, someone who honors your lifestyle. The last resort would be to just avoid her altogether. Life is too short, and some people are too toxic to be around (I know. I have toxic family members, too). Take care of you, hon'. 😘 XOXO

[@LilBunny000]

FabFour Fever AWE! ❤️ you’re so sweet. Thank you for such a lovely message. My mom and I have tried for so long. My mom is also vegan and when she first moved closer to my aunt she was so excited to tell her best friend about all the vegan places nearby. My aunt shut her down completely. My mom and I are slowly but surely starting to not take her shit. I’m hoping that this trip we can have a heart to heart (she’s a kind hearted person I promise) and she’ll finally understand where I’m coming from. ❤️ wish me luck and have a lovely day.

[@jjbutterbeans1515]

I've been vegan since September of last year. I feel so good. I'm so glad I made this change. Awareness means change and the more aware I became a. Could no longer justify my food choices. 💚 love your channel.

[@zachmadeavideo]

Great job, Rose. The thing about humans is our brains tend to think up rational or pseudo-rational justifications for decisions that were already made at an emotional level. In the case of not going vegan it's usually fear of change or social pressures. If you can appeal to people's emotions that is more powerful than refuting the arguments.

[@ascetic3312]

How dare you make a salient argument and back it up with facts. How dare you.

[@angelathevegan2431]

Great video, Rose. All of your points make sense and will help me with snarky comments. Hope your throat feels better soon. Take care of yourself.

[@xfortunesquex]

My vegan transition story is just like yours. Also, this is not 100% a veganism thing, but it is somewhat related: "Soy is bad for you! It causes ___." Um, ok, but literally all of Asia exists and they're the healthiest people on the planet? Soy has been a staple in many Asian nations for countless centuries. Soy is absolutely safe unless you're intolerant or allergic. Edited to add: This would be a great topic, actually!

[@angelalee7012]

I love how vegans get grilled about where this nutrient or that one comes from in our diet... but if you ask most omnis, they wouldn't be able to say what their meal consisted of except "protein and calcium." There is a general lack of nutrition knowledge among them and somehow that qualifies them to comment on the diet of others. IDGI, honestly.

[@kristenmaida2508]

OMG - you almost made me cry at work - it is so nice to hear these things and know that someone else gets it. I am the only vegan in my ENTIRE family everyone thinks I am crazy. Thank you for making this video!

[@ivana3325]

this was great, im so happy to see someone having the same opinions on veganism as i do. the part where you talked about one person making a difference gave me chills. sometimes i feel like i'm fighting a losing battle when trying to educate people on veganism but that light a fire under my ass once again!

[@karenthomas7082]

I’ve never felt better. Over one year plant based diet, and love your videos . You’ve helped me so much. 💕😊

[@amycus2129]

So great. Thank you. ❤

[@jennifercollins1933]

Halfway through, but definitely disappointed that you didn't follow "what about lions, what about tigers" with *what about bears, oh my!*

[@CheapLazyVegan]

ahaha! :)

[@skylardaniels3791]

I thought thats where she was going too! 🤣

[@jennifercollins1933]

skylar daly I had to stop myself mid chuckle when I realized she hadn't haha :)

[@dejennerate]

Well said! Your thoughts and feelings mirror my own perfectly. Thank you for being so brave to put this out there.

[@friendlyneighbourhoodforei5533]

This was really inspiring, I’m only vegetarian right now but watching people like you discuss topics like this really make me think more deeply into topics that the world doesn’t talk about as much as they should. 💖

[@VeganLiving247]

I’ve also heard “that’s what they’re raised for”. My friend said that to me and normally I don’t feel anger but I was really mad and didn’t respond. Sometimes we need to process the crazy things people say! I can never argue well when I’m angry lol. Thank you so much for making another one of these videos. I really appreciate these and you taking the time to talk passionately and sensibly about these topics.

[@CheapLazyVegan]

omg that's one of the worst! Can't believe I forgot that one lol. I think the best response is that just because someone decided to breed you for a specific purpose doesn't mean that they have the right to take away your rights/freedoms as a sentient being. If I was bred and raised to be a slave, that wouldn't make the slavery right. Slavery is wrong, no matter what system there is in place.

[@themyrtlewoodshomestead9371]

@vegan How could a compassionate human eat, feed (or encourage another) another human being food grown in cancer (fertilizers are a class 1 carcinogen). That food is produced by the exploitation of children (plant agriculture accounts for 70% of all child labor) and with the use of pesticides, which kills over 64 million birds annual alone in the US. Then transport those plant products using oil. Where you as the consumer leaves your oil powered home to the oil powered store in your oil powered transportation to buy your plant products grown, packaged and transported using cancer and oil. You buy these products using "fiat currency". You support the killing of animals and the exploitation of children at every level of production all the way down the grocery store who also profits off the selling of animal products. Bravo, a real win for the practical reduction of animal harm and exploitation.

[@emmaroseharty4679]

Thank you so much for this video! These are the things that I always want to say, but can never express them when in the middle of an argument.

[@kitkashew8261]

As a non vegan but someone that is trying to make more conscious decisions I thoroughly enjoy these videos. Hearing discussions from the "other side" is something I think everyone needs. Keep up the good work

[@ru7984]

loveee these vegan talks! btw would you ever do one on common arguments used by youtubers on why they quit? :)

[@thatveganmuslim]

They were not vegan to begin with. Vegan is for the animals you don't stop caring about the animals. whatever their excuses you would not go back to harming animals and supporting such a cruel industry

[@heatherbutcher883]

Hi Rose, thanks for your videos, started watching in January after wanting to be vegan for moral reasons your videos reassured me that the diet would easy and affordable and hence I had no reason not to change ❤

[@janab2900]

Watching your videos really gives me hope on humans...YOU JUST SAY THINGS THAT MAKE COMPLETELY SENSE AND YOU HIT THE RIGHT POINTS

[@CheapLazyVegan]

aww thank you so much

[@its_raining2472]

I love these type of videos! Definitely one of the most real and down to earth vegan youtubers out there! 

[@pragyabharti4587]

Giiirlll U NAILED IT!!!! U did it so patiently and to the point! That's what was needed👍👍

[@paulinefollett3099]

This is a brilliant video Rose. You explained things very well. It will certainly help when I am trying to explain it to others.

[@follilolli5648]

I've became a vegetarian this summer, and will be going back to school soon, so this will help me a lot when my friends ask me these questions. Thanks!💖

[@LOVE-hq6ee]

You’re really making a difference by informing more people about how great veganism is, I’m so glad you’re part of the voice of the vegan community cause you’re awesome 💞

[@Skiptondesigns]

Great video, thanks. It's strange how you can educate people about not smoking or taking drugs cause they are bad for you...but don't you DARE touch people's food!!! People are hypocrites.

[@raychelgonos]

Hi Rose! I love your channel! It is actually bc of you that I went vegan! ❤

[@CheapLazyVegan]

awww nope, it's because of YOUU!!! haha I may have just gave you a little nudge ;) thank you so much!

[@languagelynnie]

GREAT counter-arguments, Rose. Hope your throat feels better. Lots of love from Ontario!! ❤️❤️

[@Posersclublife]

GIRL I LOVE YOU!!!! I'm dying over here..."Are we just living in Lion King at this point?" Such good info, delivered with so much humor. Thank you for existing

[@susieQ666]

i went vegan ....about 7 months ago n i aint ever goin back...i told my partner he either eats what i make or make your own meals and of course typical bloke he chose my new lifesyle n we love being vegan n feel better n its nice to know no animals have died for my meals ...hopefully the whole world cottons on at how precious alll of us are n have more respect n just maybe we can save our planet ...great video youve hit the nail on the head 💕

[@sheilacandelaria743]

Lentils has 11 g of protein for 1/4 of a cup, that is a lot of protein

[@cuuntrisma993]

Sheila Candelaria and quinoa is very similar too !

[@cuuntrisma993]

Plus as women we need only about 20 grams of protein a day and men it's about double

[@thebatridesagain]

Really? I just eat that amount of lentils in a curry. Wow. Tonight I'm a protein Princess.

[@nathanielwhite8208]

@@cuuntrisma993 as a vegan that is so untrue. For example for me I need 70 grams of protein a day.

[@andrealauren4424]

@@cuuntrisma993 Also, quinoa is a complete protein!

[@Bee8731-j3k]

The comparison to voting is fantastic!! Thank you for sharing. Great video 💗

[@CheapLazyVegan]

thank you for watching xoxo

[@prizantsproducts4u]

You are right honey, and that is the TRUTH! I became vegan in January, but it was a 7 year journey that started in May of 2010 when at age 52 I was diagnosed with CHF (Congestive Heart Failure). I had to change my ways or be dead. The L-rd said no you are not coming home yet (My father died of CHF at age 58, in 1983), and though I thought CHF was a death sentence, as it was for my father, the L-rd send me the education, people and wisdom to heal. BUT, yes, it was also a big transition for me. I love being vegan though, and will never go back. BTW my CHF is healed and cured! Thank you for sharing your insights, I do love your show and my fave recipe were the nori sandwiches. But I love all your stuff. Making it all slowly but surely. G-d bless!

[@louisesutton-horn7050]

Thanks! You are one of the best vegan you tubers and I admire your multi tasking so much. Xxx

[@laurmalm]

I love all your counter arguments!! You make such logical, well thought out points which I am definitely going to keep in mind when someone makes anti-vegan comments to me!! Thank you!

[@janitoria221]

THANK YOU! I rarely know how to respond to people's stupid arguments, which leads to them being all "HA! See, you don't know what to say because I'm right and you know it." SO frustrating! Maybe know I can be better at that.

[@CheapLazyVegan]

haha hopefully these points will help - people are so annoying

[@kaitlinprice5337]

Rose, seriously thank you so much for having this discussion. You made a solid argument and I will be using your points to defend myself against impending veganism arguments. I have been tranistioning to veganism for about a year now and it has changed my life in so many ways. I feel so fortunate knowing there are genuine people like yourself within the vegan community. Thank you again! 💕😁

[@eCitizen1]

Thanks Rose. I appreciate your 2 cents.

[@CheapLazyVegan]

thank you for watching :)

[@5minutecook927]

I am a cook and a new channel on KZbin Subscribe to see all the recipes you need?

[@420degreesnorth2]

You young lady are an absolute inspiration. Love watching your videos here in the UK, keep up the good work!

[@CheapLazyVegan]

thank you so much!

[@courtneyhamilton4495]

Hey Rose! your skin looks beautiful here :) I am also from Calgary, i wanna visit your cafe soon! My best friend is a doctor and tried to argue that plants feel pain and I just don't know how someone who should be intelligent can even go there, so frustrating.

[@KetoCarniCajun]

Made some great videos, this one takes the vegan cake. Great job. Preach it Sistah' Rose. Cheers

[@musikvonpauli]

I really liked how you talked about the „natural“ aspect and the fact that some women can get pregnant at 12 or even younger. So true! And really eye opening, I will definitely use this as an argument in any future discussions 😂

[@Eviekiwiful]

I like the voting comparison at the end. That is so true!!! I’m going to use that, if I may, the next time I’m out doing vegan activism💚✌️ love your channel. Especially all the videos on Korean food as it’s something I’ve wanted to try but was a bit hesitant. But now I love gochugang paste and it’s in my fridge at all times!

[@sileigh1]

I agree with everything you are saying except for the part about plants not feeling pain. I have watched many videos and read many books on this topic. They have done research that plants indeed do feel pain and when a plant is damaged it sends electrical signals to the root system that causes shock and can stunt the plants grow. These signals replicate the same electrical signals that a humans body sends to the brain when you are burned or injured. Studies have also shown that negative energy, language or treatment of a plant can cause it to wilt, lose growth or leaves and not thrive. These are the beings that clean our air, produce our oxygen, provide us shelter and shade, and give us food. Everything deserves respect even plants.

[@LeaFsinger74]

Very well said. Stunning how many folks don't understand that animals they eat are fed plants as well! Absurd.

[@ashleywilson6434]

Rose, I just love you! I'm not vegan but I do eat vegan and vegetarian food quite often. I love all your recipes and your awesome personality! Keep going, girl!

[@malmikell]

I love this video! If people really took time to inform themselves as to why some people choose to go vegan instead of judging them they’d learn so much! There is so many positive benefits from going vegan!

[@SueInTraining]

Great video! I need to bookmark this. Another argument that I hear all the time is 'but meat is so delicious!' I try to tell them that it is just the salt and spices but they don't believe me. 😥

[@deblabel]

Great video, I needed a moral boost right now and this hit the spot!

[@CheapLazyVegan]

aww thank you for watching xoxo

[@JairoLop3z]

Love it ! Love you !

[@BRINpeterson]

You and the Vegan Zombie helped me so much to make the decision to go Vegan. Thank you for making videos

[@annas.7572]

I normally don't comment on KZbin videos but I just wanted to say how much I appreciate this video!! I'm only 18 years old and it is so hard to transition at such a young age with no family members being/becoming vegan or having any desire to do so. I fin it very hard to "argue" with people about veganism especially within family since I don't want to come off as rude or just ignorant for wanting to express my feeling towards "non-vegan-lifestyle".. I find videos like this very helpful to at least try to open the eyes of people around me. Maybe you could do a video on how to kind of talk to non vegans/ vegetarians (especially within the own family) about "their meat consumption" in general or even bring it up in the first place without being "the annoying person who just wants to argue" Ps. I absolutely love your chanel and appreciate your videos a ton, they really helped me starting my transition!! Lots of love and support from Germany!!!

[@jregnard1233]

You do not need to justify yourself, just tell your friends and family that you do not view animals as food anymore and that you love all animals. Your eyes opened up to the horrors of the animal agriculture and that you do not want to support this industry anymore. Thats it, I'm sure they will understand. :) Good luck, it gets better with time, I promise! xxxx

[@ia3739]

I love this video. Thank you for sharing 😁

[@outspokennerd3794]

Thank you for this video I've been putting it off for a long time to but after watching this I going to do it.

[@MollySato]

Yees!!! You go gurlfrienn!!!💖 I have to share this on Facebook, you sums up my own thoughts on this matter, but so much better than I ever could formulate it with my own words! Thanks!!! 🤗😍🤗

[@IssaHudgins]

Rose ❤️🌹 I love these videos. And videos like this help when I'm asked these questions on what to say.

[@SebastianSeanCrow]

8:28 I agree that in a physical level, plants don’t feel anything, but on a spiritual level they most likely do. However, for a lot of human history, people have been eating plants while believing spirits inhabited them. They always made sure to give their thanks for the food to the plants and animals and land. It’s not natural or good or healthy to have a diet with little to no plants in it. Overconsumption of meat and underconsumption of plants is what leads to chronic constipation, which lots of Americans suffer from, and can lead to colon cancer.

[@kevincloutier4833]

On top of the responses you gave to the argument "plants feel pain", I also regularly answer this: You say plants feel pain, but do your daily actions actually reflect this belief? For instance, let's assume your neighbor is mowing their front lawn. How do you react? Do you feel appalled? Do you intervene in some way to stop this plant cruelty? What about if your neighbor was cutting up a live dog on their front lawn? Needless to say, you would intervene in some way because it is apparent that the dog is suffering. This shows that those who use this argument are not actually concerned with plants, but rather that they are discomforted by vegans. P.S. thank you for this great video! 😊

[@alice_jem]

yessss amazing video, took the words right out my mouth!!

[@beastboy121212]

Yesss thank you for talking about the whole "natural thing. The appeal to nature fallacy is to exhausting.

[@sstvms2023]

You always make me laugh as soon as the video starts lmaoo But anyway, videos like this are why I’m choosing to make the change this semester at school. Once I go back, I plan on cooking only vegan recipes and avoiding all animal products :)

[@aryasafira93]

I've watched your channel for a while now, and I find myself humming the intro now (yes, I really like it!) 😅

[@CheapLazyVegan]

awww haha ❤️

[@prizantsproducts4u]

I always get that question too - how do I get my protein. Then yes, 2nd thing now I do it for the animals, and the environment.

[@animatorstanley]

Very insightful video, great work. ❤

[@imangellau]

Vegan hello from Hong Kong:) Love this! Please make more of this kind of videos!!

[@krissyhoff95]

Been obsessed with your videos lately!!!❤️❤️

[@CheapLazyVegan]

thank you sooo much!!

[@thebatridesagain]

Rae likes froot, the crude vegan, happy healthy vegan and your good lady self, helped me go vegan and I thank you all with every spoonful. It's taster, easier to cook, I'm loosing weight without dieting, it doesn't feel like a punishment it feels rewarding. 🍇🍈🍉🍊🍋🍌🍍🍎🍏🍐🍑🍒🍓🥝🍅🥥🥑🍆🥔🥕🌽🍌🌶️🥒🥦🍄🥜🌰🍞🍟🥪🌯🍚🍜🥗🍫🍵

[@maia23zade98]

Thanks for this video! I agree with you on all of these points.

[@nataliasabater-anaya2064]

Although I 100% agree with the research and the ethical reasons behind choosing to consume a plant-based diet, I can't say I found your video very effective in expressing this information. One of the biggest issues I've encountered in my journey into veganism is the marginalizing and self-destructive culture of vegans. If you really want to convince others to join in this cause and have a more conscious and ethical way of life, creating a youtube video with a rant full of loosely thought out counter-arguments against the idiotic arguments people make against veganism is not really convincing anyone. I believe it would be most effective and convincing if you diverted your resources to compiling a literature review with links to documentaries, papers and articles discussing the negative effects of animal agriculture on animal welfare and on the planet. Don't take this as a hate comment but rather as some perspective from a newly vegan person trying to learn and enlighten others on the toll the consumption of animal products takes on our planet.

[@ninjanerdstudent6937]

You're so cute because you look and sound like London Tipton with your sense of humor.

[@femaletonoah]

Great video! I hear this arguments every single day... humans are pretty dumb sometimes hahahah. "Plants have feelings too" really surprises me and is the one I hear the most

[@rebs64]

Bravo Rose, well put!!! Thanks

[@karey1980]

"Are we living 'The Lion King?'" LOL! Great video, Rose. Thanks!

[@theresameier8144]

Really liked the video, you covered a lot of good topics.

[@fearnonebutone4977]

I’ve read studies that show people who reported knee inflammation with meat diets, and no inflammation or little inflammation without meat. That’s pretty good. My only issue is that many protein sources in a vegan diet comes from soy. Soy has been well-known to lower the testosterone level in males, amongst other issues. I am aware that there are several plant based proteins that yield a solid amount, but almost always we see soy in products.

[@rukayah1078]

Hi! Thank you for making this video. I'm a vegan myself, but I just have a question to ask in respect to other people I know. So, my best friend was vegetarian for years and years, but she was experiencing fatigue and various other symptoms. She went to the doctor and her doctor said it was because she wasn't getting enough vitamin B12 and that she has to eat meat twice a week now. Like, she has no option but to eat meat. Fortified foods and supplements just go right through her. Something about how her body absorbs it. So what I'm trying to say is, If one's health requires it, shouldn't be okay for them to eat meat? Would love to hear anyone's thoughts\ ideas. Thanks.

[@bellabambina1184]

You contradicted yourself a couple times love. I still watch you because you’re inspirational

[@annieflores891]

Exactly!! We vegans do our hw!!! Oh liking the video before even watching it gurllllll

[@kurtmill9080]

Thank you Rose for your insights!

[@yoachallenge]

Rose! I love that top and necklace combo