Company Heroes Unit Review- How Strong Are They in Codex Space Marines ?

[@tojirokitsune1640]

I just want this kit because its like getting all the expensive 35$ individual units for much much cheaper.

[@Engifarting456]

i was actually surprised that this kit isnt >100€

[@boxman9033]

If only it still had an apothecary

[@guardsmenmrdew4286]

It's like 98 in Australia :(

[@dittmar104]

@@guardsmenmrdew4286that’s not horrid for aus much better than heavy intercessors

[@leethax100]

Gonna make me buy bladeguard to get the lion? Jokes on you, that's 3 HQs now

[@dylanlloyd7257]

To be honest I like the idea of having Kor'Sarro Khan with them! Advance and charge with two melee characters that have precision, a +1 to wound, rerolling hit rolls with oath of moment, and lethal hits if you can add a lieutenant? Very expensive, but definitely a fun thought!

[@magnum32b]

plus, that's 4 dudes +Kor'Sarro + a bladeguard LT for even more/harder melee damage, if you want to either blend meq or give teq a hard time (at least before the teq strikes back).

[@Peanutz75]

I think the kit looks great and has a very sweet spot for Uriel Ventris. I intend to use this as ultramarines, running: - marneus calgar, biologis, 6 agressors in deepstrike thanks to Uriel - Uriel leading this, instead of some action monkey intercessor for some mid board « presence »

[@cptkrank6802]

Assuming that the Ancient can still be used separately, this box gives you an Ancient and a Captain for far less than buying them separately, and you can make a full unit out of them if you want.

[@Pyrocitor]

could prob use the champ and 2 vets to extend a sternguard squad too.

[@Pers0n97]

Yup, as it stand this thing looks like a wonky discount for ancient and captain, with 3 bodies you could use for other units.

[@phillipapplecrisp6415]

Yeah thats what I was going to use them for. And they are great looking models too

[@smallbarns]

Mandatory unit to escort Vulkan + apothecary in the mid-board, I’m calling it

[@rarrythemage7]

Apothecaries can only be attached to certain units already and unless they update that list they won't be able to join this new unit.

[@myrddraalhalfmen9524]

"Master of none" unit. The inflexibility of it's wargear options really hurts. "No model - no rules" was the worst thing that happened to this game, especially when GW produces miniatures without much options.

[@ImrahilToChaos]

Still charging as much as they would for a kit with three frames though, don’t you worry!

[@sweden4thewin]

Word

[@bulldozer360]

Cry babies started whining about how complicated the game was, so now we get no more wargear points and wargear options

[@jazzy4830]

I think there is some benefit to NMNR, I was sick of GW slapping a bunch of Datasheets in a codex with no legitimate way to field them either because they don't make the models anymore or they haven't even got around to making them yet. As a long time primary tyranid player, that sucked.

[@devinjohnson3913]

People don’t remember how annoying it was to learn your unit had a strictly better build only to realize that there was no way to actually build those options without buying another kit or the upgrade sprue had been discontinued three years ago by forge world

[@mjhsinclair]

These guys would be brilliant and very fluffy if they could lead a squad like a Guard command squad can. You’d have to price it well but that would feel more consistent.

[@tuurderom2017]

It would also work if they did the same thing as cryptothrals

[@MrJosephJack]

I feel like this unit was designed for 9th edition, where Captain's/HQ's gave off Aura's. Now all they do is protect the captain so he can buff them protecting him. Not very interesting.

[@tigirus4656]

I was expecting them to have a rule that made the captain's ability work in an aura like how it does for the hive tyrant which would have been interesting. I think GW doesn't understand how people use characters in 10th. It's like they assume we pick the character we want to take, then choose a unit to buff them not the other way around.

[@jessevanhorn3726]

Yeah they're kinda pointless now. The only command squad that makes sense is the Deathwing Terminator one because it's threatening on its own, so a character only adds to it

[@weissraben4476]

I still think they canned an SM Codex 2.0 in late 9th edition when they saw that their schedule had been messed up beyond recovery by COVID - Guard and WE ended up being released mere months before 10th edition hit, and either the SM 2.0 would have been even closer than that, or it would have _pushed_ Guard/WE even closer than that (which in hindsight, given the outcry about them as-is, would have been Not Optimal(tm)). The rumors were all there about it for a fair while, and then they released SM army boxes with no apparent rhyme nor reason. If some of these releases had been planned for late 9th edition, then you might be right.

[@williamtimonen6814]

@@tigirus4656 Making that part of the ancients ability would be pretty cool.

[@tuurderom2017]

@@tigirus4656it would also be interesting if they worked like cryptothrals , where they join as part of a different unit

[@40kVallin]

Love this unit so much! Finally some classic, oldschool stuff, a typical command Squad. I will convert mine all with winged helmets and 30k ccolors, have them accompany Azrael (if that will be allowed but I guess it will), so I can pretend that Lion forces Azrael to have a guard of Redeemed, so that he can see that they are indeed his brothers. I hope you also can attach a Primaris Apothecary to make them even tougher.

[@Pers0n97]

... have you ever seen a "classic, oldschool, typical command squad"? If you ever had, you'd realize this is nothing like that.

[@40kVallin]

@@Pers0n97 Yeah I know that the Apothecary is missing and other stuff, but this is as close as we will get.

[@Pers0n97]

@@40kVallin Oh... so you really don't know wtf you are talking about.

[@40kVallin]

@@Pers0n97 Dude I play this game for 20 years now. Yes I know how the previous command squad looked like. And no I don´t bother to remember every single detail. I know that the champion used a blade and a small parrier shield. That we had a banner and an apothecary, as well as special weapons and such. So you happy now that you know soooo much more than I do? Here have some internet points for it.

[@Pers0n97]

@@40kVallinYeah... I don't believe you. Every single things you have said so far sounds like the exact kind of thing a poser culture vulture would say, down to this very last and cringy attempt at pretending "I played for 20 years". Even the fact that you keep bringing up apothecary and specifically the apothecary, when it's a point many have brought up in the comment, tells me you have no idea wtf you are talking about and are just repeating what you think will look convincing. This thing is 4 monopose minies. 1 guy with a bolter, one guy with a heavy bolter, a champion and an ancient. The old command squad was about bundling together all the characters into... yknow, a command squad. Then it evolved into bundling together a bunch of specialist each with a unique look and role in the chapter to broadcast buff the army. This thing GW dropped on us is nothing, NOTHING like that outside of the fact that it has a guy with a banner. Now stop posing, it's embarrassing for both of us when you try to establish you fake up creds by bringing up old minies you clearly never touched, especially when it's to praise the toxic sludge GW is pumping out.

[@UltraMeanMarines]

As a UM player, I’m not mad about putting Uriel with this unit and holding home objective. He fits the Jack of all trades profile, the deep strike has decent value, and they will do roughly the same work as Sternguard, but better work in the fight phase. Then it makes that Aggressor/Calgar/Biologis with BD block imminently more useful due to deep strike, and you have free strat use to cover the lack of CP farming for having Marneus off the board early.

[@macewindu4428]

I don't quite get what you mean in your last sentence. Ventris doesn't give free strats and Calgar can generate CP perfectly fine while in Deep Strike.

[@UltraMeanMarines]

@@macewindu4428 Marneus does not generate CP whilst in reserves.

[@macewindu4428]

@@UltraMeanMarines Edit: Guess I'm wrong. I didn't realize his ability needs him to be "on the battlefield". I suppose reserves units don't fall under that. Very much so, he wouldn't if he was in a transport but there is nothing stopping characters or units from using their abilities while in reserves. Rules Commentary: Reserves Units: Any unit that starts the battle in a location other than the battlefield, and is not embarked within a Transport that starts the battle on the battlefield, is considered to be a Reserves unit. When a Reserves unit is set up on the battlefield, it counts as having made a Normal move that phase. Any Reserves units that have not been set up on the battlefield by the end of the battle count as destroyed. *Units can still use rules and abilities while in Reserves.*

[@marcmiddleton2277]

I like the models. Wish it gave captains an aura effect. Like run captains in units or rum them with this and an aura.

[@DustyPazner]

Strange how easy it would be to give more factions veteran units. Csm have legionaries and chosen. Marines have 9 billion sheets of the exact same unit but some are veteran. Having 2 units share the same mini but have different rules/points would def be a benefit to players with less models.

[@jazzy4830]

maybe add some optional attachments to demarcate difference on the sprue, like trygon vs trygon prime. Upgrade kits like noise marines are a possibility but they are always overcosted, considering you get no new models, and another unnecessary inconvenience.

[@Codes911]

Grey knight troops are a great example of this

[@adept5500]

Sisters are a great example of why not to do it. It works for Marines, where hundreds of years of combat experience can justify a major jump in abilities. Less so for others.

[@DustyPazner]

@@adept5500 dude thats a hard larp. I would say veteran guardsmen would be more lethal than marines.

[@DustyPazner]

@@jazzy4830 definitly

[@tajj7]

Sad it can't really work like Calgar does and his vitrix honour guard, in that you can't attach it to other units the Captain can attach it to, even if they limited it to like 5 man units. That would probably give it more play and options.

[@ryanhaley3932]

I was trying to work this out and couldn't come up with a reason attach Calgar. Rather run him with Aggressors. Still going to pick the kit up on a discount.

[@COGGearJKX01]

Honestly, these just seem like a fun unit for me to use in a Crusade guarding my custom Captain. You could really do a good narrative with a squad of 5-6 heroes

[@georgeflecknell]

Great idea. Also, notice how everyone positive about this unit used the word "fun", everyone down on it is unhappy because it can't kill double its points cost every turn! Sad times.

[@Pers0n97]

@@georgeflecknell GTFO. There is nothing fun in that unit. People like the models and the idea of a command squad, but this unit does a shit job at fulfilling the fantasy of a command squad.

[@timunderbakke8756]

Honestly I bought them just because I’m super stoked to paint them up and try to make them look better than my army. Running them in-game was secondary but I think a basic captain next to them ought to make an OK midfield objective holder with some threat. Maybe a Templars’ marshal w/ combi weapon. Or the captain in the kit is probably good too.

[@ozonius_6859]

I like the idea that you can attach characters to the unit instead of captains, give me more reason to make a "counts as" captain for each character for my custom chapter

[@xandermacleod]

I think it's weird the thing on the pack of the Captain's backpack is called an Iron Halo and grants an Invuln Save, but these guys who have the same thing poking out of their backpack dont receive an invuln...

[@Pers0n97]

GW just totally ignored cool nuance like Iron Halo for a while. They just use it as "cute little armor detail" now.

[@daweimer71]

Unable to attach an apothecary to it? I’ll end up getting them for my Dark Angels, for thematic and nostalgic purposes. I absolutely love that ancient! For my Black Templars I’m struggling to see how they will fit in to my crusade from a thematic sense?

[@tajj7]

Didn't buy it myself although a cool kit, I have already made myself an ancient with banner and I have the company champion, plus a decent amount of captains, so I can just borrow a couple of Sternguard and you have the unit if I ever want to play it, but just not sure what it is there for. I feel like it would more interesting if it had like 'super attachment' options, in that you could attach this to a Captain, but can still attach him and his bodyguard to other units, that might create some more interesting options.

[@Bear_Andersen]

I plan on having these guy bodyguard Vulkan He'Stan so he can throw around his Forgefather buff/debuff, which will then get utilised by a separate 10-man squad of Infernus marines led by a regular captain (for free Immolation Protocols). Results in 10d6 S6 autohits that reroll to-wound with Devastating Wounds

[@MrLucBot]

I like the models for flavour, but I wish they had options. Being able to go full melee or full shooting would be better than having 1 melee specialist and 3 shooty dudes in the squad.

[@Fromage79]

Uriel Ventris would be a great character to lead the command squad.

[@dittmar104]

Brother nothing is sicker than a captain, lieutenant and a command squad crusading out the back of an impulsor with the company banner flying high

[@Dasacht095]

i truly want to sit these guys in a unit with he'stan and sit them firmly in the middle of my board to take an objective and be a useful buffing squad.

[@callsignkit6930]

This looks like a few models that weren't put into production with other boxed kits for the veterans and ancient, then the champion is a late FOMO reaction, and the captain targets collectors. If the command squad could link in with another squad, even basic troops, then I would consider the new command squad a potential buy. To use this in a list, you would essentially need an unused captain with an extra 95 points. I do not see that as an issue, because as of the time of my comment, ballistus dreadnoughts are 150.

[@basteala525]

I do miss the days of Melta Command Squads, but I'm glad I wasn't the only one that thought of big meatshields for Calgar. Although Bladeguard are still probably better.

[@nklinef]

I wish they could be leaders for tactical squads. It would be a reason to take tactical squads.

[@daweimer71]

I picked up a box today. They were on my list from when they were teased. I know they are not the most powerful unit I can place my Marshal in (Black Templars) but their rule of cool is very high, plus I enjoy kit-bashing, and these guys will be fun to kit-bash to look more Black Templar-ish. Obviously I've come around on them for using them with my Black Templars. ;)

[@willhull9839]

I'm deff running 1. I run uriel for my tournament list and ready don't like my 5 man stern guard unit for him. They will be my home field defenders with oc2 and good counter charge if needed

[@keyanklupacs6333]

They could have done this like the guard command squads where this unit can join a squad in addition to a normal leader so both the command squad and normal squad get the captain buff or libarian psychic buff

[@andrewmoss3681]

My big gripe with this until is that you can't change their wargear to suit the character they are meant to be protecting. It'd also be nice if they could actually protect some other characters. Ah well.

[@tpickles67]

I may pick this kit up just because it looks cool to paint. Not sure if it'll ever see the tabletop, though

[@RSBurgener]

I just bought 6 Bladeguard, 10 Sword Brethren and 20 Crusaders in the past few months. I'm still slaying the gray at the moment, and I just feel they're redundant. Cool project some day, maybe?

[@reaver102102]

@@RSBurgener For BT Helbrecht would rather be with Sword Brethren, maybe a Marshal could work with them, but feel like as you say other units are better.

[@tpickles67]

@@RSBurgener I feel that! My lovely girlfriend recently bought me some Squighogs so that'll be my Orktober this year.

[@RSBurgener]

@@reaver102102 and I think you'd have to work at keeping them from looking like Ultramarine models too. They're great for Imperial Fists, just not the Sigusmund variety.

[@Indigo33-11]

Before you attache the captain can you attaché an apothecary to the captain first like the lieutenant or aswell as lieutenant?

[@treymartinez7398]

Captain/ chapter master and appothocary at the same time wonder if can be added

[@chriseash6497]

If this unit could attach to another unit ala Imperial Guard, it would almost be an auto include. Attach to Sternguard and the shooting compliments it while giving them extra melee punch. Attach to Bladeguard and the melee compliments them while the shooting adds a nice buff. Alas that is not to be.

[@marasmusine]

Does anyone know of a battle report on YT in which this unit is used? I got this kit as a gift, I'm building it up now. Just curious to see how it is being used.

[@dante_1014]

Can someone explain what the chest symbol of the veteran with the bionic arm means?

[@ChaneTzun]

Imma participate in a Mega battle (Tyranic war theme) gonna field these guys for that.

[@yishumate]

Disappointed that they can't take an Apothecary instead of a Lieutenant. Because THAT would make them a pretty good damage sink... I think

[@boozeybatman]

Well apothecary can be attached instead of a lieutenant with a captain or chapter master now so no reason why you couldn't run them that way. I just tend to like my apothecary now with hellblasters

[@BaronSengir101]

I love the idea of the unit, and I was a big fan of the old command squad, but a big part of that was how flexible they were. This new rendition is a confused little unit, and I am unsure what GW's rules folks were thinking when they put it together. It feels like a hodgepodge of themes, without understanding what made the previous rendition cool. The whole personifying the different doctrines is a neat idea here, but other than the Champion, none of them really lean into that in gameplay. I think if the unit itself could attach to another unit, even a base or assault intercessor squad that would be a sweet upgrade. Something I think could make them good is if you are playing with the larger transports and want to maximize bodies with squads that aren't as big (Max bladeguard+heroes+2 characters hopping out of a storm raven for example) they could have a place.

[@bojoggs-ik8tq]

Yeah, I was hoping they would be a retinue, so you could attach the captain and company heroes to a Sternguard or Bladeguard squad.

[@DetroitTyler]

I don't think the unit is confused at all, it's a versatile short to mid range unit, with damage that is low-medium meant for killing troops. Nothing about it screams massive melee threat or massive ranged threat, but it's sturdy for it's points and could fly under the radar a bit in the midfield. I like it because most characters that fall under Captain or Chapter Master have a good ranged and melee weapons, and fit the unit theme very well. If you put a special character in hellblasters, you'll never get the use out of their good melee profile etc. I think the unit is set up this way so the versatile datasheet of it's leader can shine.

[@robertsurtees2667]

When the models look this good there no need to give the "rules to sell the models" treatment

[@dolannman]

DA could use this with Azrael leading them to get a 4++ , make them a super tank objective holder

[@boozeybatman]

Me too I was thinking this or lazerus

[@martineasterman5170]

Personally, I thought using them as a unit rules were just so that nobody complained that heroes couldn't be deployed that way...my reason for buying is purely to get access to cool models that can be used as alternatives in other roles...eg. putting the heavy bolter into a sternguard squad, or having a veteran looking guy in an intercessor squad etc...never planned on using them as a single unit.

[@izzydarkhart4144]

Hmm, i run DA and BA so i am going to have to wait to really see how good they are. I trust only results on the table and i do not put faith in math hammer and theories. I will buy then of course sense i am huge in collecting and painting as well.

[@DT-ld5lx]

I like the premise of the veterans being representative of the three doctrines, but the end result feels really confused as to what the actual point of the unit is. And it's yet another example of a primaris unit with like five weapon types to keep track of which doesn't help. At least they look nice I suppose haha

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

My question is if you can add an apothecary to the unit rather than a lieutenant. An apothecary in company heroes would be appropriate and have MASSIVE returns.

[@origulator]

is it possible to just attach a lieutenant without a captain or can you only attach a lieutenant in addition to a captain?

[@SleepyPsyker]

What is the reasoning behind not being able to attach helbrecht? As far as I can see as long as the captain or chapter master keyword is there you can attach the leader? Also i dont tbink youll be able to attach a lieutenant at all.

[@auspextactics]

The restrictions are on the character datasheets. Lieutenants are able to, but only in addition to a captain/ CM I believe.

[@SleepyPsyker]

@@auspextactics Ah I see, the new datasheets for captains etc have "company heroes" in their attachable units? Darn, was hoping to run them with helbrecht. I've recently switched to BT. I've ordered these company heroes but honestly I don't know how/if I can even use them effectively. More of a rule of cool unit. Thanks for getting back to me!

[@dougpopson5734]

high marshal helbrecht with Company Heroes with 10 Sword Bros. lmao Hahahahahah

[@masonlee9423]

So how come calgar can join in even though he's in gravis but tor can't? and if gravis can join why can't terminator characters? like Lysander?

[@latralus46and2]

This unit is perfect... for my showcase. That's about it.

[@shaunwilson6289]

Rules or not I’m happy to paint them

[@intense_pickle]

I mean they look cool...If I had to take them, I'd probably attach a ranged captain and lieutenant and put the unit in an Impulsor for a little mobile bunker with some decent anti-infantry shooting. Besides that I see no use for them.

[@shaun4468]

I got them because they look cool

[@brunneng38]

40£ = $48 40€ = $42 Charges us $65 in the US. GW have always been and always will be, the villain.

[@richardkern7268]

I’m fielding 3 of this unit in my list, I love them so much.

[@Pers0n97]

X

[@RSBurgener]

I decided to wait on these guys. I've got two squads of Sword Brethren that I've painted to a character standard. What are these guys gonna do to change my plans? Giving these guys combat knives instead of power weapons was a mistake.

[@Fifthmiracle]

Yeah, Company of Heros is pretty pointless for a BT player given how good Sword Brethern are. But giving them all power weapons would be redundant to Bladeguard who already have an Ancient. Its is a shame that you can't take a Company Champion solo with them any longer.

[@RSBurgener]

@@Fifthmiracle yes, I'm definitely missing being able to use the Champion, both the datasheet and the model. I guess he can be a lieutenant or the Emperor's Champion, but it's a lame move to cut him out.

[@Trinine9]

So why are eldar warlocks 120pts for 4 models?

[@DanStone1980]

Are the use of Servitors for Techmarines removed with this codex?

[@thebaron2277]

astares servitors are no longer a thing

[@mersenniusprime]

This reminds me a lot of the old 4th edition style command and veteran squads, where you could give basically anyone any weapon, even if it made no sense and had no synergy, except that GW has decided to mandate poor decisions. It's a godawful, poorly designed unit that kinda defeats the entire concept of a command squad. Since everyone else is saying how they wished the unit worked, I'll throw my lot in: I wish they weren't actually a true unit, and instead were a single slot that was split up immediately on deployment and assigned individually to different units (like apothecaries in the Horus Heresy). They could function as neat half characters to provide small buffs and extra attacks. That being said, I'm tempted to pick it up for the models. There is a lot of potential for splitting the box up and using each model for different units. I play Templars, and so have some very unorthodox units built out of our vast collection of bits. I've been tempted to turn my extremely fancy intercessors into Sterguard, and could use the heavy bolter guy and bolt rifle guy for that purpose. The standard bearer could make a great ancient, and the champion could make a great alternative sword brother for someone who owns too many crusader squads and wants some variety.

[@michaelmastriano7566]

It would be better if they still had the apothecary

[@Marsuvee]

Nice vid mate.

[@JinzoMask656]

I'd use them if they all had invuln saves added. Then they be much more tough. Also if you could choose their equipment with no cost.

[@allenw794]

They're also a nice bot of bots to make personalized units

[@keithchristmas7315]

No generic Chapter Master profile in the Codex, then?

[@DetroitTyler]

Haven't they always just used the Captain profile, and it's just a title? Only diff would have been wargear access in older editions, now it's just streamlined outside of enhancements.

[@keithchristmas7315]

@@DetroitTyler No, they've definitely had improved rules previously. Some editions it was a separate profile entirely. In 9th it was an optional upgrade for a Captain that gave several unique rules 9th also had similar upgrade options for other command roles, like Master of Sanctity and Chief Librarian. It's frustrating they're just gone, unless you're on of the small handful of named chapters that has them available as an epic hero And that's probably less than you think! Even some chapters with multiple epic heroes only have Captains available.

[@Pers0n97]

How much do you want to be this kit is the new "bundle filler", the one kit they will shove in EVERY SINGLE SPACE MARINE BUNDLES from now on?

[@namewastaken360]

The no model no time policy sucks, you should be able to choose the sternguard heavy weapon or perhaps swap out the sternguard for Bladeguard. Like others have said, it either be cool to stretch this squad to another squad.

[@ltmammaguerillz6745]

Everyone is making the full codex review auspex!!! I can't stand any of them, I know you must be working on it, we need your clean cut / straight to the point format!!!

[@volcano3493]

Great models. Will buy them definitively but not from GW. All-rounder units always tend to suck in 40K. You would get the most out of them by fielding the minis in board games such Deathwatch Kill Team or in unique small points 40k scenarios. Think of the A-Team taking out trash mobs.

[@reavern]

I don’t like this Company Heroes squad. I’d prefer if this was a collection of characters and “reinforcements” that could be attached to existing squads, similar to a heavy/special weapon model. For example, Heavy Intercessors can equip one Heavy Bolter, so I’d prefer to assign the Company Hero with the MC Heavy Bolter to an Intercessors squad. Same with the Company Hero with the MC Power Sword: Assign him to an Assault Intercessor squad. That way the Company Hero will compliment the squad it’s attached to instead of being a mixed ranged, melee, and support squad. Thinking about using the Company Heroes this way also makes me wish the official WH40K app had the feature to assign Characters as Leaders to specific units and to display that assignment in the Export List view. This would also be useful for verifying a Character is valid as Leader for specific units - instead of having to check its Leader tab. I’ve noticed that Auspex Tactics has mentioned the Apothecary Biologis being given the Bolter Discipline enhancement and assigned as Leader to a Desolation Squad, but it cannot do that because they’re not a Gravis unit. If the app allowed Leaders to be assigned to units and showed an error message for invalid choices, it would help a lot with list building.

[@CrussaderGrarl]

naja 3 Sternguard, 1 banner, 1 Captain also garnicht so schlecht wenn man nicht bei GW direkt kauft würde ich fast sagen wenn man noch nicht viele oder keine Marines hat ist die bo kein schlechtes upgrade für ne Combatpatrole box

[@TheGraham27]

I find this unit very annoying having the 1 marine n standard bearer with different boltguns... why didn't they both just have master crafted bolters. N then you're not rolling for each individual gun....🫤

[@bojoggs-ik8tq]

Give them Sternguard or Bladeguard options... It was so easy.

[@falsehero2001]

It would make more sense if the whole squad could also attach to another squad as well. The index rules already allow you to attach a champion and ancient to a squad that a captain is attached to.

[@chetmanley1885]

Super competitive, probably not. Some fun combos and cool models at relatively low cost compared to indocidual characters? You bet.

[@jeffwatson7345]

i made it ! first on a Auspex comment !!!!

[@jeffwatson7345]

also great vid, keep up the great work brother.

[@HighMarshalBiggusDickus]

2 questions: Would precision on the blade champion give all weapons precision?( as per the wording it seems so) Would any captain keyworded model be able to lead the company heroes( example: deathwatch watchmaster data sheet does not contain them as a unit he could be attached to)

[@Pers0n97]

This unit is very symptomatic of everything wrong with modern GW. It's a bunch of monopose models, without any options, that come with a generic characters we already have 79 versions of, and all these guys have random gears that do not syngergize in the slightest. First of all, this unit should have been a 5-10 man squad. It should have come with enough gear option to fit multiple playstyle. Some heavy firepower (at least 2 heavy weapon per 5 men). Some Storm shields for heavy bodyguard duty. Some mele weapon for a mele unit. As it stand, this unit is literally pointless, just a mediocre bitbox for sergeants (mediocre because it's all monopose with barely any options). The only way to fix that unit and make it usable would be to make it a character buff broadcast system, turning the character buff of characters joining them into an aura. Ho, and make apothecary be able to join that unit (just don't turn their buff into aura).

[@xxalsinusxx2038]

I get it could be really strong so maybe they said no, but I wish my chapter master Azreal could lead them with a Lieutenant in the new Vanguard Spearhead. -1 to hit and wound, 4++, lethal and sustain hits all from the characters. It would be pretty darn tanky and do decent enough damage. And I already have models to make this kit without spending money. Sadness.

[@SpencaD]

Honestly feel like these are a huge disappointment. Was hoping the command squad would get the primaris treatment.

[@darko-man8549]

Again the limitations on characters that can join afain suck. Also limited loadouts again hurts. GW anti variety cos it means selling more plastic in a box and having to balance more things in a unit and shows Power level doesn’t work

[@thekrokoo]

yes, they are useless... but they look cool :)

[@Bloodworia]

Idk this unit seems undesirable to me.

[@anthonyblea6906]

they are just as mid as the rest of the codex. the whole army is still to pillow fisted...

[@Spongemonkey26]

Wait, does Calgar get to keep his Victrix Guard while attached to company heroes as well?

[@evader110]

Yessir

[@adept5500]

And they all get the -1 damage. So those become some tough guards

[@lwtraptorian]

so they all get iron halos but not the 4+ invul that comes with it?

[@CTRLCopy]

I was hoping this unit was going to be able to join another like an enchanted body guard. Something like the cryptothralls from Necrons

[@Chris-lr2qb]

That ie exactly how I assumed they would work, and the reason I aimed to buy some. Now I know that isn't how they work, I don't see what the point is.

[@thomaswilloughby2951]

They need to be able to accept an Apothecary alongside the Captain. That's teh classic Command Squad, and it'd just make it look and feel *right*.

[@nekrindenekrinius1503]

Maybe its because they want Space Wolves be able to use this unit.

[@boozeybatman]

There's no reason you can't add an apothecary and a captain to this unit.

[@thomaswilloughby2951]

@@boozeybatman Sadly, it's not on the list of units an Apothecary can join. A Captain can (and, in fact, pretty much has to or teh unit dies!) but an Apothecary can't be. I'm hoping that they'll errata that, just for me.

[@Pers0n97]

Totally agree. Since as it stand this unit is only good at being a captain bodyguard, being able to add an apothecary would make sens.

[@CMTechnica]

@@boozeybatmanRAW, you could, except looking at the list of units the Apothecary can join, and the list of characters that CH says can lead it, they don’t have the other’s unit name listed. Probably because of the Apothecary’s rule. I doubt it’s an oversight like the Dark Angels characters not being able to join+lead a command squad

[@dittmar104]

I’m honest mad they didn’t include them in the first company rules. They fit in super well as a tanky and flexible unit alternative to terminators.

[@lukhinio3200]

Yup good point. They are vets afterall.

[@AndrewNarog]

Gorgeous models, but fixed wargear is rubbish. Personally, I'm really not happy with how Games Workshop has dealt with the old Company Veterans of prior editions. At least prior to this model release, you could slot them into Command Squads, which still had some of the flexibility. Now? Locked wargear to a heavy bolter and bolter. No idea what I'm doing with my meticulously kitbashed Veterans now.

[@georgeflecknell]

Honestly I like that they arent overpowered at one thing. The game needs more units like this that aren't just there to ruin another player's turn. They have a lot of flavour and interest, thats something modern marine armies need more than anything else.

[@Brother_Nihilus]

tell that to the eldar, but I agree, I like them for this too

[@Pers0n97]

What modern marines need is more flexible units, and this pile of monopose, no wargear jank isn't that.

[@AstraySage]

You forgot Azrael, who is the best chapter master to join them

[@malekith13]

I think theses guys could be really nice in dark angel if azrael gets to join them since like them he's a shooty/melee character while giving them a 4+ invul and since he's already mostly here the it's CP generator ability as long as he's alive, a thing he would be alongside 4PV save 3+/4++ -1 to wounds rolls models :)

[@grud8495]

yeh they are pretty useless because there are so many better options. The only thing they got going is that they are a bit good at everything. so tactically flexible. but because you run an army and not a single unit, you will simply do that by having different units with different roles in your army and make sure that your leaders are in units where the synergy works best. So again, the company heroes lose. Consider the option of giving them a rule where the leaders in the unit's abilities become aura's again. yes this completely turns away from the idea of 10th£. however it would make this unit actually interesting.

[@thesavmaster]

I used the command squad back in the day, but I think the Bladeguards + Ancient is a whole lot cooler of a bodyguard unit now.

[@markhohenbrink5230]

Would have been cool to see the command squad go to a 10 man unit or be able to attach to another squad like bladeguard or sternguard.

[@Jason-wh7in]

The kit alone looks good, I’d buy that just for the models. The rest can be effectively made at home if you have enough skill with kitbashing and using green stuff. The other issue is that the old comp command was essentially multiple separately released models that were discontinued and combined. What will happen to the individual kits for the captain and ancient?

[@Nemoknowsnothing]

I don't know why I believed the whole unit would have been able to join units with the captain, but I understand what kind of brick I would get to face

[@darko-man8549]

Honestly it should be a unit that gives off and aura

[@thefloridaman41]

So that new Raven Guard detachment can put these 4 plus a Captain and LT right in the center of the board turn one. Could be an interesting build with the bonus OC and some fat models.

[@spoonsrattling]

Do enjoy these kinds of units just wish it had maybe a few mire veterans to tag along