Compared & Drag Raced: Subaru Outback vs VW Alltrack!

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[@1970HondaCL100]

The CVT is a deal breaker for the Subaru. Love Subaru, hate CVTs.

[@user-oq3lv6lv7x]

Carcaine they don’t know how to make regular autos though , my tribeca shifts way too early and downshifts slow.

[@gravitygear]

Your Tribeca is also the WORST vehicle Subaru has ever produced. It's also old. It's all technology from the mid 2000s.

[@ryanmcfarland1900]

I agree. I defend CVTs in some vehicles, but cars that aren't going to get good gas mileage anyway and are built for utility should not have CVTs

[@Yondaily]

Carcaine I agree it’s make the hole car very boring

[@user-oq3lv6lv7x]

gravitygear what can you expect the car was designed in 05’ that being said it is underpowered but that’s why they brought in the 3.6 in the next two years. The only thing that’s outdated now is the navigation and the transmission

[@MrFloydroy]

I really don’t understand all the hate on the outback and the cvt. Im averaging 35 mpg combined in an awd vehicle that has about more cargo room than anything. I really dont give a shit if the car doesn’t accelerate as fast as a corvette. It can easily match any freeway speed up an onramp. What more do you need?

[@JJ-cg3rn]

Floyd Matson - I’m honestly one for one as far as CVT transmissions. I had a 2005 Mercury Montego with one, hated it. Although in all fairness it weighed in at 4,000 lbs (with me in it) and couldn’t get out of its own way. Honda, on the other hand, completely restored my faith in CVTs. Our 2015 Accord is awesome and for a 4 cylinder is incredibly peppy. I agree with you, the Outback is not a Corvette, it’s designed for people who want good fuel mileage, practicality, and an AWD system that is simply amazing. Although I don’t currently own a Subaru I hope to buy either the new Forester or Outback in the near future. I feel for the money it is one of the best values on the road today.

[@rfcdgaf]

I want a manual transmission. Not a friggin auto.

[@mi16t]

Floyd Matson a faster better car.

[@adamdixon2251]

@@433mea4 Mine has never stalled

[@coreylong2353]

Floyd Matson id chose the vw legit only for favouriting vw. Absolutely nothing wrong with the subi at all but some people prefer physical gear changes

[@maple_fields]

I own an Outback and I couldn't help myself from laughing really hard when the VW just wrecked the Subaru off the line.

[@BoopSnoot]

Its no surprise, its the CVT. They are cheap, they are fuel economic, but they are soulless, slow, and if they aren't stepped into a fake automatic, are really annoying at full throttle due to harmonics from constant RPM.

[@mindspinn311]

Alltrak all the way! The Outback is massively bloated now. For a Subaru I’d rather have the Crosstrek, but I’d still buy the VW. I LOVE the green paint with brown leather it’s so beautiful! I’d buy the DSG for sure. That 1.8T engine is a gem and DSG makes it even better. That said, I might choose the Golf Sportwagen over the tall Alltrak.

[@Snake-ms7sj]

Agree. I used to like the Outback, but over the years it just kept getting bigger and bigger (and uglier). It's huge now compared to how big it started out as.

[@JeffSpehar-ov1cn]

Sport Wagon is way cheaper also. Just not as much ground clearance.

[@Snake-ms7sj]

The Crosstrek only has something like an inch and a half more ground clearance over the Golf Sportwagen S 4motion.

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

The sportwagon has a standard torque converter automatic. The alltrack has he major advantage with the DSG transmission. Both can be had with a 6 speed manual

[@tomtalker2000]

DSG's have had problems in there own right. They aren't known to be the most "reliable" transmissions either. And honestly i feel Subaru's 3.6R with the CVT is one of THE BEST out there especially for a CVT. It's about as close as your going to get to a true automatic. FAR and AWAY better then what Nissan and Honda put out.

[@swanblake]

Roman killed it here. Absolutely loved him. Agree with him in all seriousness on his points. This was hilarious . C V T

[@bextar6365]

Blake Swan... My guess is neither you or Roman have ever driven an old Buick with a Dynaflow trans or a 1960 Chev. Impala with a Turbo Glide trans.Both were shiftless transmissions kind of like a CVT gas mileage back then was lousy for each. I owned both and they were real dogs compared to the new effortless smooth CVTs. Would I want one if living in the mountains out west. NO! But it sure works great in the twisty hilly Ozarks, and would even be better in flat land states. Just my take after owning many cars with both auto and stick.

[@iLikeTigerz101]

CVT off road is like sandals in swampy creeks in Louisiana.

[@JohnSheehan72]

Just bought a 2018 2.5l outback. I'll make sure I don't drag race in it lol

[@JohnSheehan72]

Define better? I wanted something with great cargo space, good roof rack system, decent gas mileage, good AWD system for bad winters and for getting through some trails in backwoods campsites, something that is potentially going to last me over 200K miles, and great safety ratings as this is a family car. Subaru Outback seemed to check all the boxes for me. So, I guess I'm a dumbass- even though I have family that has worked in the auto industry for 20 to 30+ years that highly recommended Subaru.

[@JohnSheehan72]

bah. why the heck am I even responding to a comment like this lol. Obvious troll - anyone who uses terms like "infinitely better" isn't exactly an expert, or even well informed.

[@JohnSheehan72]

Nice cars. One of my brothers shops is an Audi shop - I could've had one in a heartbeat. But, Q5 would've been out - not nearly enough cargo space. Q7 would've been nice - a little less cargo space, but not much. It also has about 8 less mpg combined compared to my Outback. So, let's say I'm willing to overlook that and get a 2015 Audi Q7 Premium. I'm looking at 28K for a car with probably about 45K miles on it. I also gotta put an aftermarket warranty on it. So, conservatively $30,000 for a car with 45K on it and a Warranty that will cover up to 100K. My financing rate is going to be a bit higher too. My 2018 Outback had 5 miles on it (test drive). It's covered with a Subaru warranty I extended to 7years, 100K miles - bumper to bumper. It has a lifetime power train warranty through the dealer - and all maintenance. It's a premium trim with all other features I wanted (and then some). I paid $32,000. This is a car that in 7 years I will be handing to my son (who will be 16 at that time). It's not a speed demon - it doesn't need to be. I have motorcycles for that. I want a camping car. A family car. I don't see how your recommendation is "infinitely better". Thanks for the suggestion though.

[@craigborrenpohl1233]

It sounds like we went through a very similar analysis when I was looking to replace my car. I ended up going with the Alltrack but obviously looked hard at Subarus. I loved the driving dynamics of the VW and lower roof height. I gave up a bit of cargo space but got into the Alltrack for just over $21k which allowed me to get winter wheels and tires and a rocket box right away which I liked. I spend my miles on Idaho and Montana highways and fire roads, where do you drive? Enjoy your new car and don't let the headcases get to you.

[@JohnSheehan72]

They don't - there is no such thing as a car (or truck) that covers all the bases. That's what research is for. I looked at the Alltrack also - and the Honda CR-V. Alltrack didn't give me any more standard cargo room then my 2013 Nissan Rogue (now my wife's vehicle). And the Outback gives me better towing capability then either. Like I said, Outback just checked all the boxes for what I was looking for. I live in Upstate NY (Albany area) - so I am frequently up in the Adirondack mountains and surrounding areas. I was worried about a naturally aspirated engine, but not really an issue until you get over 7 or 8,000 feet - and NY's highest point is under that. Heck, the highest point in the whole Northeastern US is around 6000 feet. So far I love the Outback - there were certain features I wanted (all weather package, integrated roof rack system) - but the trim and options I ended up with are all added bonuses. Adaptive Cruise control is probably my favorite of the bunch as I'm on the thruway system a lot, and setting and forgetting cruise control has been great. I can now get all my camping gear in one trip - without a cargo container for the roof. Once I get that I can do all the camping gear and the kids if my wife wants to stay home. Good stuff.

[@Jeepingshort]

I crossed shopped these 2 cars last summer. What you're seeing here is exactly what made me choose the vw. I need power to get up canyon hills. I need good driving Dynamics. And I need a good interior. I opted for the dual clutch. It's a great car.

[@HandyTot]

Thats what I love about the Alltrack as well. It handles like a golf, has AWD, has enough power, has enough space.

[@zippyspinifex]

How do you feel about the car now? Am close to putting in an offer for a DSG Alltrack in Australia. Cheers

[@ClanOfStonemasons]

We owned a 2008 Outback 4cyl (normal auto trans) and a 2012 Outback...with cvt and 4cyl. We now own a 2017 VW alltrack with the six-speed dual-clutch transmission...what a pleasure to drive a German car again. Handling, acceleration, attention to detail. We do wish it was a little larger. But, it is perfect for the two of us.

[@Flat_3_6]

How is the waiting area at your local VW dealers service center?

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

2013 WRX SE you drive a WRX with a ej255, FAR more likely to blow up then any ea888 powered VW lol. Also, Subaru’s cheap brakes will go out by 50k miles, VW brakes go over 100k before you even need to think about replacing pads and rotors. My Tiguan at 63k miles still had half brake pad life when I got it inspected, and my buddies Touareg went 130k before he replaced pads and rotors. Also the cheap tin body and crappy paint job will make a Subaru rust out twice as fast....

[@tunanocrust5089]

@@Flat_3_6Are you really still trying to defend your little Subaru with a lame excuse of a Porsche engine?

[@Flat_3_6]

@@sleeper.simulant7327 i know Subarus are garbage. My wifes ascent is at 90k with half brake life left 🤷

[@Flat_3_6]

@@tunanocrust5089 what are you talking about. Its not a porsche engine. Only similarities is the firing order and the fact they are both boxers. I like your name, cool reference to pedo Paul.

[@ismaeltenenbaum4103]

The Outback is worth every penny. In fact, value for money, it is way better than that Golf in drag...

[@iceman26541]

TFL definitely has a Anti-Subaru bias. (Watch their previous videos!)

[@Whiteknight0721]

Roman is a whiner , just showed his true colors. and i could care less about Subaru's vs honda, VW.

[@gamatoutsikos]

I agree. I am unfollowing this channel as soon as i finish this comment

[@multigamer1213]

I know, I unsubscribed how did the outback lose, I checked the 0 to 60 mph times on google and the outback does it in 6.9 seconds and the golf in 7.1 seconds. This channel is useless.

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

subarufan wrx a outback definitely does NOT do 0-60 in 6.9 seconds. Maybe the turbo XT model but not the slow n/a junk flat 4 lol

[@multigamer1213]

@@sleeper.simulant7327 I didn't say the 2.5 I meant the 3.6 like in the video. Anyways this new outback xt will beat this vw because it takes 5.5 seconds to get to 60

[@anajay78]

Vw is a winner because they are smart enough not to put a crappy cvt in.

[@MaestroTJS]

Subaru is the winner because they are smart enough not to put in crappy, unreliable components all over the car, like VW.

[@v60polestar88]

Maestro_T Sad!! What a slow pos. Give me the unreliable VW any day over that sorry CVT that can't beat a 1.8T

[@komentierer]

Maestro_T did you even watch the video? The Subaru had the window switches replaced 4 times!! The VW is way more reliable than the Subaru. If there were problems like that on the VW, you would have heard because everybody would be crying about it. But Subaru drivers and drivers of japanese cars in general won`t say a word about their car`s problems.. they don`t want to admit that buying it was a mistake.

[@anajay78]

Maestro_T Yes like the window switches Andre mentioned.

[@MaestroTJS]

I'm not interested in anecdotal evidence. Every study done on reliability continues to put VW near the bottom and Subaru near the top. It's not even a debate. If you want to talk about driving characteristics, that's another matter. Nobody buys Japanese cars because they drive better than German cars. How many people driving these utilitarian vehicles on a daily basis are going to give a shit that their car lost in a drag race? lol. Give me a break. Norm T Is that supposed to be impressive or something? Who wants to buy a car and hang out at the dealership getting it fixed?

[@franklampard6316]

I predict that cvt transmissions will fade away as more manufacturers move to the 8 or 9 speed automatics that provide the same fuel efficiency as the cvt without the horrible acceleration lag. The Subaru cvt isn’t even the worse on the market. The Nissan cvt they put in the Altima is horrible for around town use.

[@97I30T]

Frank lampard The Nissan Altima with the 4 cylinder and CVT is one of the worst cars I’ve ever driven. The transmission is so ill behaved and is always at RPMs that sound really boomy in the car. Plus it won’t accelerate evenly and the RPMs fluctuate under throttle like its broken.

[@crimson49er]

Hard to imagine any cvt worse than Mitsubishi's... But they all suck. I for one hope the trend ends

[@a.sanford8731]

My Outback has a CVT and really it's not that bad. I actually prefer the linear acceleration to the point where automatic transmissions feel broken to me. But what does bug me is that the newer ones simulate shifting. But y tho?

[@crimson49er]

the first gen mitsubishi CVT's did the same (for all i know, they still do).... trying to combat the anti-CVT notion.... which might have worked if you didnt ever actually drive one. btw saying "it's not that bad" isnt exactly selling it as a good driving experience!

[@franklampard6316]

Alexander Sanford - the newer automatics with 8 or 9 speeds are nothing like the older automatics. I just drove a 2018 BMW 430i which has an amazing automatic transmission.

[@joes.7536]

My experience with turbocharged Volkswagen motors is. Mine has been reflashed for 110k miles on 93 octane fuel making 48 hp and 67 ft lb of torque over stock and it hasn't missed a beat. Just performed normal maintenance and no major problems. Your results could vary but those are mine.

[@abes.4040]

Yes, the CVT kind sucks, but they put it to make it more fuel eficient. I own a 2010 Outback, just hit 100k miles, took it to the dealership for a full 129 point inspection. THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. And you know, that if there's something wrong they will tell you about so you can get it fixed 'cause every time you go to the dealership they comeback with a laundry list of crap you have to fix. The WV will be smoking white smoke from all the oil sipping in worn out pistons. Stay away from VW and get on a Subaru, unless you wanna be changing cars every 3 years. I changed the water pump and belt, put new 4 sparks, it runs great and safe. I plan on driving mine until it falls apart and this is my second one, first one 96 Legacy, sold it with 254,000 miles and didn't burn a drop of oil.

[@crimson49er]

i love the Subaru brand, but any car & especially an SUV with a CVT is an absolute no buy for me. I was stupid enough to buy a CVT car once, it'll never happen again. CVT makes the Subaru a complete loser in any contest. THE CVT is a million times worse in stop & go traffic too due to no engine braking. Roman's rating is spot on!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Maui Chris ha! Roman’s rating is purposely and obviously jaded! He says it at the end, that any car company that won’t provide him cars should gets an automatic “drive it off a cliff”. I use to drive a 2010 WRX. For that year, they only came in a Manual. A traditional auto would not put the power down, it wasn’t worthy. The Lineartronic CVT’s put more power down compared to the old 4EAT and 5EAT automatics, and they were worthy enough to put in the 2015 WRX, doing 0-60 in 5.5 seconds. It’s no “direct” transmission like a stick or dual clutch, but that’s alright. Did you see what happened to the new Hyundai Kona with a Dual Clutch while trying gold mine hill? It overheated because it has a direct transmission with no torque converter. So unless you like offroading in a stick shift, a CVT is an awesome option!!! Like it or not!!!

[@MichaelDaitzman]

On my legacy I use then paddles to downshift for engine braking - works pretty well.

[@imabebebebe2496]

theres nothing wrong with cvt. i recon in 10 years cvt will have mad quick acceleration and manuals will be for sports cars only. also the alltrack will be on its 2nd engine ready for a 3rd and the outback will be tight as a piano string. i know my 17 year old outback is.

[@crimson49er]

toulouse666 2010 Mitsubishi Outlander, it was awful

[@crimson49er]

dual clutch seems like a bad application for any off-roading, it's definitely more for an on-road sports car, i disagree about the auto, and a rubber band CVT is never awesome.

[@MichaelJanzen]

Subaru should really give you guys cars to test. I love your videos. I bought my last car based in part on your review and love it. I'm planning to trade in soon and considering the Outback.

[@Yondaily]

Michael Janzen it’s so old and boring ewww gross!!!!

[@haydenb8853]

I'm 18 and love my '11 out ack

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Here’s some Subaru porn: 42 subaru’s Old and New 42 miles on dirt! kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZqYdIV5e6yKp68

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Buddy has a 2 inch lifted Outback 😇

[@sharkskin3448]

JonDZ Adventuring just watched vid, subbed; +1! Grand finale view was great!

[@MLife1972]

I would have thought the Crosstrek would be the natural competitor to the Alltrack.

[@soiah]

never floor a cvt if you want it to go fast. ..its counterintuitive, press it gradually some what fast and use paddle shifters on outback after you already moving and you will discover a different car, I own one and know what I am talking about, and yes it cannot beat a lighter car with turbo evidently

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Relax everyone. Turbo’s spank naturally aspirated engines all day long. Go watch the TFL video of the 2.0 turbo Honda Accord vs. the 3.5 V6 Camry. Both have Automatics. It’s just like this.... not even a remote contest. The Honda blasts the V6 by 3-6 car lengths. The cars are even similar in weight. These are not. My 2.0 Turbo CVT equipped Forester was faster 0-60 faster than its automatic competitors back in 2014 in its class. (not the new offerings from AMG, Volvo, Alfa Romeo, and Acura). It still holds it own.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

It has!! So glad I bought a 2015. Another interesting fact: 2014-2016 FXT's do 0-60 in 6.2 seconds, but because of demand, they implemented fake shifting in the 2017-2018 models, making it slower with a 6.8 second 0-60. Unfortunately, it's sad that Subaru listens to ignorant consumers that freak out about how a CVT operates (holds itself in the power band). They should have listened to the guy at "Engineering Explained" who holds CVT's in high regard. I'm a big fan of TFL, but they're not perfect. they're obsessed with 1.) Loud Engine Noise [seriously, the future is EV, engine noise is annoying, respect cars that are quite and fast] and 2.) hating on CVT's that outperform Automatic transmissions (don't compare a stick to a CVT, compare apples to apples Auto Vs. CVT). It's true, early CVT's are terrible. Nissan's CVT's from gen 1 to 3 are really bad (they're on gen 5 now). But Subaru's Lineartronic line of CVT's (there's only 2 versions, the TR580 and TR690) are really solid. Not all CVT's are created equal!

[@ethan02135]

It's because they're a mile above sea level. Turbos help a lot there. At sea level, the camry beats the accord by a little bit.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Ethan02135 yes. Same case here. Turbo vs. H6.

[@tntmyth]

Turbo with stick. Not surprised the VW easily won. I would like to see this race at sea level. Probably much closer.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Gary Brown yes! Sorry, been watching TFL so long that we thought it was a given that the race happens at 1 mile above sea level where a turbo car can beat an NA engine. But.... according to Roman, it was the C V T.... 😒

[@TheRTPatriot]

The Japanese cars are kind of “all purpose appliance” forgiving on maintenance, repairs etc but are less advanced in terms of driving dynamics and somehow boring to be on the drivers seat. Germans make attractive and fun to drive cars their downside is the long term ownership costs. I personally always go with German/ European brands. I don’t mind paying more for that extra fun to drive.

[@smithjones1906]

I wish Subaru had some better employees towards the top of the company. They seem to live off of the WRX/STI zombies. Everyone knows the Crosstrek would be better with a turbo option, and that no one wants a CVT. Why do they focus on building things we don't want?

[@441meatloaf]

If people don't want why do Subaru keep getting all their orders of crosstrek and impreza's sold out?? Your logic doesn't agree with the entirety of the market.

[@hickboy360]

SUBARU. Please give TFL test vehicles. I won't buy one until I see an Off Road Review. because gold mine hill is no harder than the road to the cabin

[@gamatoutsikos]

You will not buy a car until this joker at TFL makes a video? Wow grow a pair and make your own research/decisions man

[@MDKN22]

Subarus weren't built for speed. They were built for economy and their AWD. Dont forget safety.

[@pratik1568]

Asphalt8ficionado subarus are shit cars no wonder they are going bust

[@nikolavonfulton5195]

mikeythebold tv that's not what the sales say

[@Eeaotc02]

mikeythebold tv Prove your point.

[@imabebebebe2496]

sales have improved every year since the recession of 2008. people are done with overpaying for american crap made in mexico or by mexican made parts.

[@gemster18]

Asphalt8ficionado Finally! Somebody that makes sense! Great point!

[@TheKrisBunch]

First things first, if you think drag racing family/utility cars is the best way to make a purchase decison, you should move along and go ahead and buy the sports car. I really don't get this channel's hate against Subaru Outback, considering you bought one! That being said, if you insist on drag racing them, lets note a few things. 1. Subaru Outback 3.6R curb weight is 3,900 lbs. Altrack is 3,300 lbs. 2. A manual gearbox will always have the upper hand in drag racing. It would be interesting to see these two cars if both were automatic. 3. I have a 2016 Outback 3.6R. I went out this morning to try a from stop acceleration test. I didn't get the "lag" in RPMs that was claimed in this test. I started from a stop with car in drive, and not manual drive. I put the pedal into the firewall, my RPMS quickly rose smoothly and quickly, with no "lag". I had no way to film this though. It has been mentioned before, was this a brand new 3.6R? How many miles were on the car? There seems to be built in protection during the "break in period" that seems to limit power. All that being said, as a 3.6R owner I am neither a fan boi or a hater. I understand I drive a family car, and CVT isn't the best for performance. But if I wanted performance I would have bought the STI. The 3.6R is really good at it's intended use. It gets my family up to the ski resorts, handles the wet winters here in Western Oregon, takes us on rough dirt roads for camping and is bulletproof reliable. I find it sporter to drive than a regular family car and god forbid a minivan.

[@j.r.arnolli7494]

The weight is the reason that Subaru's won't sell in the Netherlands, roadtax depends on weight. Also their mpg-rates aren't that good, so the CO2-tax is high. All and all, very expensive to drive and to own in the Netherlands. Roadtax VW €900/year - Subaru €1200/year

[@ManaFPS]

Subaru's make really reliable, nice sounding, amazing handling and just generally great cars

[@VaildDimes]

🧢

[@Eowyn126]

As someone who lives in Colorado and is biased towards VW and against Subaru this is hilarious

[@kevinbias664]

I have a 17 Alltrack. It has different seats than those and they have WAY more bolstering. I would say they are on par with the GTI I used to own.

[@Emilthehun]

Perfect video showing the importance of gearing. Even with less power , smaller engine the vw KILLED the subaru. Subaru fan boys are going to cry loud lmao!

[@randomstuffchannel4327]

We were given a 17 Subaru Outback rental from heuberger Subaru in Colorado Springs and took it off roading thru rocks had the tires coming off the ground and that outback handled that without a problem it’s not gold mine hill but it is pretty hard for most cars to get up. It’s sad that Subaru won’t give you another outback to test up gold mine hill or something. Maybe you could work with one of the dealer ships if they do that which they probably don’t

[@valdius85]

Even as a bias Subaru fan I find their decision pathetic. ;) I tiny bit wonder if lifted CX-5 Turbo could take up that trail. Dave Cooleman should take his Mazda one and try ;)

[@joevwgti.]

Really appreciate the new quiet intro noise. Very kind of you. Poor Andre'...should have gotten a 2.0XT Forester.

[@HoosierDaddy_]

Finally a good Subaru review!

[@Yondaily]

Brad Conklin why be happy because of an old boring Tuttle it’s sooo slow!

[@Eeaotc02]

And yet you're judging a car by acceleration? Get real.

[@kevdawgzdaniels538]

yonda ila 😂😂😂

[@julaihaidris7212]

But the Outback is actually a wagon... Also make sure the rivals are "rivals", such as Lancer and Impreza or Prius and Insight, because if the rival is matching, then the result will be satisfying

[@alexaccent]

I agree with Roman!! I traded in my 13 Outback 2.5 L because engine consumed as much oil as it did gasoline. Also it was a slow POS!! I’m a happy 2018 Honda CRV AWD 1.5 L Turbo owner now!

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

alexaccent major upgrade! Not a fan of Subaru’s after owning 2 myself. My 2008 busted like 6 crank position sensors....

[@bextar6365]

Strange...Subbie sales have increased year after year, check out the numbers.

[@ArbitraryLifestyle]

Not strange. People don't race them and they're above and beyond most other vehicles in a lot of categories other than power.

[@DanDannyDanielleBob]

I own a VW GTI. Great packaging, great driving dynamics, but I won't be buying another VW. Issues I've had do not inspire confidence. I am shopping for the next ride now, Subaru and Toyota are top of the list. I want a car that works every time everywhere I want to go without worrying about it or feeling like I need to be delicate with it. In city traffic, power and handling don't count for much, dealing with crappy roads and good turning circle is more important. Alltrack is more of a competitor to the Crosstrek anyway.

[@alwin3705]

I'm curious, what issues were you having, and what model year was your GTI? I'm considering this alltrack for my next vehicle, but also have concerns with VW reliability even with their new 6 year warranty.

[@BrianLampright913]

Prepare to be utterly bored! Each time I buy a Toyota I put up with it for a year and sell it and go back to something that is actually enjoyable to drive. The only Toyota I would own today is an 86 or 4Runner. Do yourself a HUGE favor and go check out the new Accord with the 2.0T and 10-speed. 100x better than a Toyota or Subaru and fits the needs you describe.

[@billmalec]

The diesel version of the VW(sportwagon) averaged 41. Yup. Had one. Loved it.

[@blacktrucksfly]

I just bought one post dieselgate fix last summer. I'm averaging a little over 37 mpg with mixed use driving

[@henrycheng8094]

Too bad they don't make those anymore

[@danejoiner5095]

How’s the alltrack on goldmine hill

[@dutzuxx]

He just said it made it to the top

[@Jeff-Vader_head_of_catering]

CV-TRASH! I LOVE the video you guys did a couple of years ago where the Outback wouldn't go up the hill because of the CVT. The CVT was the WORST decision Subaru has made that damaged their "capable off-roader" reputation.

[@gravitygear]

Fuuuhhh... I was looking at a truck, now this VW is in the running. Only thing killing the VW is NO towing ability. We're looking at getting some quads and PWCs, so not much weight, but the Alltrack can tow NOTHING. The fun factor is MUCH MUCH better with the Alltrack. Sure, you have a good time offroading and pulling heavy stuff in a truck, but the daily commute is... BLEH. The VW offers fun every day. Can't. Decide. Help me TFL.

[@Zenrei940]

The Alltrack can tow, the manufacturer doesn't let the north american variant listed with towing capacity. You can watch TFL on their previous episode in Europe driving a Sportwagen and they mentioned a tow rating on the wagens manual. Another reference for towing is on this link - volkswagenownersclub.com/vw/showthread.php/111650-2017-Alltrack-Towing-Capability Maybe american drivers are just notorious on towing above the limit that Volkswagen void towing on their vehicles? (except a few).

[@gravitygear]

Towing will void the US warranty. Not wanting to drive a new VW with a voided warranty.

[@craigborrenpohl1233]

I saw a telling comment in a previous VW v Subaru YT video "While VW makes cars I want to drive, Subaru makes cars I want to own." This review seems to prove that point to some extent. I've really enjoyed my Alltrack thus far but time will tell if the maintenance costs get the better of me.

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

Craig Borrenpohl Subaru you will be replacing brakes by 40k miles. Your VW will go over 100k before you need to replace pads and rotors. My friends 2013 Touareg went 120k miles before he replaced the pads and rotors :)

[@komentierer]

That`s the problem with all japanese CVTs: the power looks good on paper, but these things all accelerate as if they had lawnmower engines. It`s like putting bicycle tyres on a ferrari: it`s a scam. The worst part is that people still buy the crap from Toyota, Subaru etc.

[@myslecinaczej8674]

Because people do not buy cars mostly for power and speed like you and few others- people buy cars to use them daily with some comfort and reliably, yet with safety provided and they find Subaru delivering on that

[@komentierer]

You`re right.. they buy their cars for the broken windowswitches.

[@MaestroTJS]

That dude's car is a first-year model. Would you care to buy a first-year VW and then report back to us how it's doing? Actually, never mind, buy any model year VW and get back to us.

[@shwnc4842]

Maestro_T VW is pretty damn reliable. I have had no issues on my passat at all. And it's funny because I read all these complaints about other companies having issues that were all so damn reliable. Like Honda, they're having issues with their 1.5t engine that they put into 3 of their cars. Toyota is having transmission issues with their new camry. Etc. I'd take a vw again any day

[@MaestroTJS]

Shawn Childs Anecdotal evidence. Comprehensive studies will tell you differently. I could tell you my and my family's experiences with VW versus Subaru but that's also just anecdotal. But I think in general cars are just more reliable than they used to be and the studies exaggerate differences. That said, for long term ownership, I know which one I wouldn't trust. If you're only leasing or keeping it a few years under warranty, it doesn't make a lot of difference, although you might spend more time at the dealership with one....

[@SD_Marc]

VW ought to change its emblem to a lemon. I don't know anyone who hasn't regretted buying one since the 90s.

[@BrianLampright913]

Marc Arndt I’m on VW TDI Sportwagen #3 and happy as can be! 40+ mpg, fun, sporty, eats my mountain commute alive, good reliability, ultra practical. I’ve owned a ton of different cars and the sportwagen is tops in the all around category. And now that they are flooding the market after emissions repairs they are dirt cheap. I just picked up what use to be a $25k+ car for 1/2 that with only 32k miles and fully loaded.

[@ddavis78704]

You really need to drive a VW... it is obvious you have not.

[@sapientbudgie5652]

Roman is delirious. Allwreck is a hunk of absolute garbage. Handling?? Who buys these for handling? 1.8L Turbo in VW is garbage.

[@SSYoung125]

My wife drives a 2007 Nissan Murano and I agree with the comment about the CVT from 0 to 20 but after that the engine and transmission spool up and take off but yes Subaru's are SO laggy and SO slow

[@441meatloaf]

Your nissan murano has nearly 200HP + while subaru puts out 175hp on a quite heavy outback. Its a different comparison when your car has more HP. But you wouldn't say the same when drive the 2.5L versions with 250+HP.

[@Aziz-M]

Hilarious review 😄👍🏻

[@svenglueckspilz3331]

Agree, shows who pays for the advertisement. Never, ever a VW!

[@jasetraber]

Let the bridges we burn light the way! 🔥 🚗 🔥 Thanks for the laughs guys!

[@tonycarey1735]

5 years? That's a long time to hold a grudge. Frankly, I don't think the average car buyer -- Colorado or not -- is that interested in your grudge. Clearly you upset the people at Subaru with the way you treated their test vehicle and, since then, you've pretty much convinced them that you're not serious about objectivity. Why would they give you a car again? This video is a case in point. You set the parameters for a 'Colorado car', like 'ground clearance, all-wheel drive, big, snow, has to handle gravel ...', and then the main part of your 'assessment' is a drag race! Car companies are capable of mind blowing spin about their products but I doubt if Subaru or VW make outlandish claims about these particular vehicles in terms of drag racing. In fact, Subaru in particular, would be much more mindful of safety and 'discouraging' the driver from stupid, adolescent drag racing. Again, and you expect them to take you seriously? Finally, it might be reasonable of you to be upset with Subaru but surely this little tiff pales into insignificance compared to how VW treated its customers with regard to diesel engines? This was unconscionable behaviour even by low car maker standards. As for CVT, I don't know what the fuss is about. I have just bought a Subaru Liberty (Legacy in your country) sedan and the CVT is fine for normal driving ... in fact I think it's more than fine.

[@tntmyth]

When I watched that video years ago with the Subaru on Gold Mine Hill, I said to myself, "Well, good chance they might not get another Subaru test vehicle for a while!" Guess I was right. I do respect TFL for really testing the cars and not worrying about repercussions from the manufacturers. That was rough though. If I remember, that Subaru they took up the hill had all season tires and that portion of the hill was really rough. Most people with a brain would not take their Outback up there unless it was upgraded. It's not a rock crawler. It made for an entertaining video though. Interesting I leased a 2008 Passat Lux with the 2.0T. What a blast car. Loved it. I have no doubt the Alltrack is more fun. The VW now has an awesome warranty too. However, I would probably go for the Outback 3.6R over the Alltrack because I need that extra 10 cu ft of cargo and the back seat of the Alltrack is kind of tight. I live at sea level and won't be driving to Colorado, maybe NC or New England at the highest elevation so the H6 should be fine.

[@buildmorefarms1007]

Outback is over rated.

[@RennieAsh]

I bet the Subaru is all round more luxurious, quiet, easy to drive though.

[@ddavis78704]

I bet you haven't driven the VW.

[@jayzo0o]

Outback is better i have one and its altogether the beter PACKAGE obviously is not a station wagon. We know that we arent idiots. We buy the better car that does everything better. people arent going to drag race in these cars. So biased against a really great car. Seems like a vw paid commercial to me.. how about do a practicality test. If i wanted to drag i would use my STI.

[@richJimZ888]

Never considered the Outback as a speed demon. Ill take the Outback over VW everyday since my use will be dirt roads .

[@Hallowsaw]

Even as an urban driver I would still take the outback. DSGs break down going at crawling speeds and manuals are a pain in the butt in traffic.

[@kevinmorphet8083]

This should encourage Subaru to loan you cars. Way to build bridges. 🔥

[@BoopSnoot]

Subaru put all their eggs in the Consumer Reports basket, whose "reviewers" really only care about standard safety features and fuel economy. After all, they've said time and again that the Prius is the best car in America.

[@mod77777]

Guys didn't you get the message about Manual versus Automatic in drag race?

[@craigwoods3396]

Had a 2015 Outback, loved the car but hated the cvt. Had no issues over 3 years and 50k+ miles but it definitely is a slug.

[@RCPhotosVideos]

Still waiting for a 2018 crosstrek review

[@JordanPeng1]

The seats in that are not sold in Canada. We get the sport seats. We also don’t get alltrack in different models like the USA. We get only a loaded one. Even with a manual. You can’t get the loaded alltrack with manual in the USA but you can in Canada.

[@EricFabianLozano]

Very childish of you Roman to be "calling out" Subaru for not loaning you a car. They don't have to, they don't want to, they probably never will. Good on Subaru for that 👏🏻👏🏻 SOLD!!

[@TFLcar]

We tested a Ford and the truck failed our test. Ford fixed the truck and we rested it. We tested a Subaru and Subaru failed the test. Subaru took all their cars and went home. Which of these two sounds more childish to you?

[@TFLcar]

Re-Test: 2018 Ford F150 Diesel takes on the World's Toughest Towing Test AFTER DNFkzbin.info/www/bejne/j3W8aaKYid6Bb6M

[@bextar6365]

I think I know Roman from the Belmont and Central area ?

[@pedlpower]

I have the same complaint about the 2014 Ouchback. Among the many annoyances is I back out of the driveway, shift into D press the accelerator and... wait for it, wait for it, and finally it begins to move.

[@MDKN22]

Subaru has got a good car... Roman just doesn't want it to be.

[@728GT]

Handles like something that should go off a cliff 😂

[@jakp8777]

I’ll take the alltrack. These are becoming very popular in Boulder Colorado where fast lane is. The VW has a better interior, dsg transmission, turbo engine, not cliche, better looks, etc.

[@ColoradoSpringsDashcam]

Lol you saying "burn it and drive it off a cliff" will make Subaru not send you another car for 5 more years. Watch what ya say.

[@notmydayjob3182]

Nice video!!

[@milosfedor5038]

guys, i know it is not available in US but direct competitor to the outback is not Golf Alltrack (called only Alltrack in US) but actually Passat Alltrack which is very similar to Outback regarding the size and price...

[@prahalove1488]

What the hell are you guys doing with family vehicles? Those are not for the dragging or racing. For that segment, fuel efficiency and comfortable ride and indoor spaces are way more important.

[@bextar6365]

Brilliant Deduction !!!

[@mi16t]

MYOUNGLAK SON don't be mad that a eco box golf wagon smokes your rustaru

[@moonsapling]

@@mi16t I would love to see your brilliant Alltrack offroad. Just curious if it can make it in one piece...

[@haroldbeauchamp3770]

None of those things are important for me. I’d much rather know that the powertrain is quick and responsive. Because of this video I know to avoid Subaru and it’s shit CVT transmissions.

[@RT-vw6yw]

Roman, if you can't remain professional and objective when reviewing vehicles, it might be time to stay behind the scenes or focus on a different passion altogether.

[@JamieToddBand]

We love our 2019 3.6 Touring, but it floats like an Oldsmobile. I just tested the Sportwagen, and it's way more fun. I'm going to buy a Certified VW Sportwagen tomorrow.

[@srsairbags]

any CVT car driver: "where is the power ?"

[@bluecent]

Anywhere else in the world , a comparison would be made between the Subaru Outback and Volkswagen Passat Alltrack. The obvious competitor to the Golf Alltrack is the Subaru Forester.

[@OsmaroAcosta]

CVT + Diesel + AWD is heaps of fun off the line.

[@rileyhance318]

The dsg version of that alltrack comes with launch control.

[@Jorge-Tamacas]

CVT's aren't made for performance. Do you want performance? Take the VW. Do you want interior space? Take the Subaru

[@garyaldous9907]

When are you going to review the 2020 Outback XT 2.4 Turbo. It has a stronger cvt transmission and 260 horsepower.

[@LegoType963]

Idk why people hate Subaru's so much I had my outback for 14 years and it ran perfectly I only got a new car because I wanted some new features. A lot of people complain that they aren't fast and I'm not saying that their fast but who is going to buy them for racing I'd say they are the best practical cars ever

[@Arturs.B]

I would prefer outback. Im good about its speed. I like oubacks comfort, handling and awd.

[@AmrothPalantir]

if you like comfort, handling and awd, you still go the Golf over the Subaru.

[@ddavis78704]

Subaru's handling... over VW?

[@Xyb3rTeCh]

What the hell?! I thought you guys did 4K videos earlier on?

[@videowsatcher]

tried xc 60, parado, kluger, cx-9, audi q5, audi a4 all road and ended up with a Subaru Outback 3.6- the most comfortable out of all of them; the CVT is livable; great vehicle and it was the most comfortable which needs to be placed in the context of a family member having a bad back. A friend did a similar comparison but across more soft roaders and independently also chose the Outback (4 cylinder) for the a similar reason. Work colleague has also chosen an outback. In the 3.6 Im managing 26 mpg and it runs on regular which I am more than happy with (particularly after my wrangler unlimited which hit 18.5 mpg). Roman's lessons is to never go first model year of any vehicle. The main thing I would say you dont get an Outback for spirited driving; it makes you want to relax and take it easy, never felt this effect before driving sedans, luxury cars (including Gensis, E class and 5 series) suvs except for when I drove an air sprung 60s Merc (which felt like it was crushing the road beneath it).

[@craigborrenpohl1233]

Just as a point of clarity VW does not require premium in these turbo engines. I've gone from an 04 Audi Allroad that got 15 mpg and required premium to an Alltrack that I'm averaging 29 on regular; fuel costs are WAY down.

[@tomtalker2000]

First of all the Alltrack is FAR lighter then the Outback. Which is one of the MAIN reasons why it is faster. Secondly the guy must not have been driving this Outback right. Because my 3.6r can get from 0-60mph in about 7 seconds. Considering the Outback is nearly 4000lbs that's pretty damn good for a vehicle of it's size and weight. The CVT which yes i'm NOT a fan of is one of THE BEST if not THE BEST made. In terms of mimicking a true automatic. One can't say the same for Nissan for example which makes THE WORST CVT engines out there. Lastly the Outback is proven with it's AWD capability and i'm quite sure it can go places the Alltrack can't handle. Just based on it's higher ground clearance alone. Plus it's larger cargo hold for carrying items when traveling etc...Not to mention it's higher quality refinement inside and out over the VW. So sorry folks Subaru takes the cake as far as i'm concerned.

[@BullittKid08]

😂😂 this was hilarious! I died reading all the subie fanboy/owner responses. Come on people take a joke

[@TFLcar]

Thank you. Someone gets it!

[@bextar6365]

Roman is pissed at Subaru!

[@BullittKid08]

Bextar636 uhhhh durrrrrr capt hindsight

[@Eeaotc02]

I'm a Subaru owner and at least I got the joke.

[@MaestroTJS]

I think it's more annoyance at some people in the comment section than at Roman.

[@AB-rf3ff]

Thumbed up! You tell 'em how you really feel Roman!!

[@marcscordato4385]

Subaru makes fine cars but CVTs are terrible.

[@user-gs3pt1uf1g]

"Subaru - burn it with fire and throw it off the cliff." Adding it to classic sayings dominated by Jeremy Clarkson.

[@mauimikey2491]

I can't believe at 1.8L beat the 3.6!! Lol!! Ill take the VW with the manual please.

[@gkdodger]

This is exactly why older outbacks are better

[@davechurch1661]

the more I see of this wagon the more I like it! Wish second row could slide back though. I test drove a crosstrek a year ago, and ended up with a rav4... didnt even know about this car... maybe thinking about a trade in!

[@sergiupuscasu2496]

This is the first time I can say a VW Golf looks far better than its opponent in a video comparison. Honestly, Subaru should step up their design game, their cars look old, even though they’re new.

[@joes.7536]

There are two good things about Volkswagen's, even though there are some negatives. Is they are always powerful, and they have nice Interiors. Every brand has pros and cons.

[@steveogden5407]

These cars suck! You guys need to call this channel The Slow Lane..

[@BrianLampright913]

Subaru needs a 2.0T combined with a modern 8 speed transmission like the ZF used by practically everyone! They lost me when they stopped offering the XT! I’m back to a TDI VW Sportwagen and loving it especially the price! $12k for 32k miles emissions repaired good to go!

[@strategicbushcraft6391]

Subaru needs to lower the gears on the CVT for high altitude. At low altitude it works fine, but the gearing is set too high for Colorado high elevations. The X-Mode helps a little, but it would be nice if that lowered the gears more. You will also lose power if then engine is not warmed up.

[@backroadreviews7353]

The results of the drag race was definitely attributed to the fact that they are nearly a mile above sea level. If you live at at "altitude" it is all the more reason to get a car with forced induction. See my links below. Car and Driver had different results at sea level. Also keep in mind the Outback is a bigger heavier vehicle that will carry more stuff. I do hate seeing Subaru switch to CVT transmissions and because of this I would only buy the models that still offer a manual. I have owned 4 Subarus over the last 12 years, 2 Foresters and 2 STi's. I must say I had no issues with any of them. Reliability ratings back up my experience. This being said I currently do not own a Subaru primarily because of the CVT and the fact the American cars have left them behind in the performance category. Subaru did you forget what made you popular? Remember back in the day when a Forester XT would outrun a 300Z and the STi would obliterate Mustang GTs. Your 2 liter turbo should be offered in every vehicle you sell with a manual transmission as an option. I know someone from their corporate office just read my last paragraph and wants to reply quoting their sales numbers which have been stellar. :-) www.caranddriver.com/volkswagen/golf-alltrack www.caranddriver.com/subaru/outback

[@BeastboyRichie]

The 6-speed is making use of all the 170HP whereas the CVT is throwing away a huge chunk of that 250HP. Beats the whole point of having more HP. I have to agree with Roman, BURN IT.

[@sergeykessel2560]

Just curious - have you turned off the intelligent mode on that nice c# shifter? It does limit HP intentionally.

[@shahab_shawn_siahpoosh]

What I've found out in my wife's Impreza with CVT, if you want a "better" acceleration, you shouldn't build up rev too much. Hold the rpm to like 2k or so and after you let the brake off, gradually floor the throttle. The Rev will go up to around 5000 and stays there. Of course Impreza has a tiny 2 L engine and not much of a juice, but for that car it was a quicker acceleration than flooring both peddles and letting the brake go.

[@opaextreme9282]

the turbo when driven to enjoy the power, probably burns as much if not more than the 3.6L subi, so if you like to drive a bit hard, the subi with 3.6 is just fine, even if more gas.. if you want power, then buy the one you like overall with the power you want

[@Theredeemedchild2]

I want to see a short bed single cad 5.0 10spd f150 race other trucks.

[@brandonwright2067]

This was fun yo watch

[@0bserver416]

Hey, Andre. Put in S# mode and use manual shift!!!

[@truckerrickakamanowar]

In the end subaru won. The alltrac went the way of the dinosaur, and the outback is still not only selling well but better still wildly popular.

[@malifestro7596]

I owned 3 Subaru's but when they fired the designer of the last good Subaru the Legacy of 2005-2009 they were all crap since then. It was the only one which had an actual good interior. The Tribeca wasn't given the right love or it could have done well. They shouldn't have got rid of him, he did an outstanding job with the Legacy. Oh well, I've moved on. Probably will never go back.